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He'll be fun to watch.

Kids will loooooooooooooove him.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy crap is right...

…you see the legs on that guy?

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by Easy Ed on Jan 12, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

I’m not changing my opinion that he’s a better fit for an AL club, but I like the kid… a lot. He’s either the next Bob Hamelin or the next David Ortiz… that’s my call.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe by the time he's ready, the DH will be in the NL.

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by Easy Ed on Jan 12, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be awesome...

especially since the Cubs also drafted Rock Shoulders, who should probably be a DH too.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Rock Shoulders?

That kid should be playing football with that name.

by Arbusto on Jan 13, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

But if he makes the majors, he’ll have one of the best baseball names ever.

Could have been an actor, too, with that name.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 13, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

His defense is actually ok right now.

Whether it improves or regresses will depend on how his body holds up the coming years. I’ve also read he has surprisingly average speed, which is good for someone that huge.

by Dcr18 on Jan 12, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Rizzo rated a plus defender at 1B?

If that is true, you would want him in the field if they both work out as MLB players. But having a DH would give another slot for a bat, which sounds like Vogelbach’s real calling.

by ClarkFan on Jan 13, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

"Surprisingly average speed"

You don’t hear that every day :)

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by RynoHoF on Jan 13, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen his defense?

or are you assuming he is fat and therefore bad defensively?

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 13, 2012 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I've seen him field balls such as bunt plays.

Looked like he was running in wet sand. I’m obviously not a trained scout or anything. It’s just my impression, which I will happily change my mind on when presented evidence to the contrary.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 13, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

basically you are basing your opinion on your assumptions

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 14, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

And what I've seen?

I like the kid. I’m skeptical. That’s allowed. So is actually reading what someone’s post. Try it.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 14, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That photo was taken

before he lost weight. He was close to three bills in that photo. He’s lost about 40 pounds. He’s still not thin, obviously, but he’s not quite the guy you see in that photo.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 12, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm 6'0" and 210

And I’m pretty pudgy. Vogelbach must be a big fella

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by Musicdude10 on Jan 12, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Make room

for the candy man.

I’ll say this again, round is a shape.

Damn. I missed both Castro threads.

by Tat14 on Jan 12, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

I really hope this kid starts the season in Peoria...

…that would be fun to watch.

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by Easy Ed on Jan 12, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

I like this...
But in a couple of years, when he is coming up to bat, you better have your beer in hand and butt in your seat.

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by Easy Ed on Jan 12, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Was actually just about to post this same article.

Glad it got up here – really good write up, if not a little bullish on him.

by bdlugz on Jan 12, 2012 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Looking at the stats for the rookie and instructional leagues

He had more doubles than HR’s, but what I liked to see was that he had a triple as well. Now, I’m not a baseball expert, but I know that for a guy supposedly that “heavy” getting extra base hits like that, it means he has a good work ethic and won’t just jog the bases. Can someone confirm this idea?

by Azul Cachorro on Jan 12, 2012 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

Could have meant anything...

triples happen by luck all the time.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the guy still has to run the 270'

David Ortiz couldn’t get a triple if all the fielders fell down and the catcher had to go out to retrieve the ball.

by ClarkFan on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Ortiz....

Papi has at least one triple in every season for the last 12 years.

by ferris2001 on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He is reported as having an incredible work ethic.

You don’t lose 40 pounds in 1 season by chance – it takes serious dedication and hard work. He’s also not nearly as slow as you’d expect from a kid of his size. I don’t recall what his home to first time was, but I remember being quite surprised by how quickly he got down the line.

I’m not sure how good of a player he’ll be in the long run, but he’s going to be incredibly enjoyable to follow in the minors.

by bdlugz on Jan 12, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Further...

I seem to remember many of the descriptions of Big V using some form of “surprising athletic / quick for his size.”

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe AZ Phil compared him to Rock Shoulders using a football analogy

Basically, Rock Shoulders is like a nose tackle; large, heavily built, powerful, but not particularly nimble or light on his feet. Vogelbach is more like a pulling guard; good first step, a strong motor, hustles, surprisingly agile, and is impressively athletic, despite outward appearances.

As much as I like the Rizzo acquisition, Vogelbach has legitimately exciting potential.

by Outshined_One on Jan 12, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya gotta love high school numbers:
As a senior at Bishop Verot, a powerhouse that has had 12 players drafted in baseball, Vogelbach hit .467 with 19 HR/54 RBI and a .571/1.239/1.810 slash line over 34 games. He drew 27 walks while only striking out eight times.

Oh, and for those of you on Twitter, you can follow Vogelbach at: @VogyVog24. You’re welcome, Dan-O.

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by daver on Jan 12, 2012 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

Looks in decent enough shape for a 1B in his twitter pic.

He’s definitely not Prince Fielder size anymore, which is good.

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by shoemile on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I never trust a picture.

Nor do I trust someone’s claims of height and/or weight. As a basketball announcer, I’ve seen enough 5’10" players state they’re 6’1" to know better. I trust what I see for myself. When I saw the videos, he’s looked awful big and slow. I’ve yet to see a video that shows otherwise. I will welcome with open arms when I do, and hell, maybe he can be a star while being big and slow. I’m not averse to that either. I’ll still like the kid, even if he never reaches the majors, as long as he works hard and plays by the rules.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you access that info? That's pretty awesome.

The article said he stole a couple bases already, so he sounds like a good athlete. Even big guys can run. Fielder’s awesome to watch run the bases.

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by SackMan on Jan 12, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Look at the negative value from Fielder’s baserunning. It’s one of the big reasons he can’t be actually worth $25m in his wildest dreams. Defense would be the other reason.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about his baserunning.

He’ll never be a factor there and there’s no problem with that. In the videos that are specifically supposed to market him, he’s slow on defense. When that’s confirmed to change, I’ll give him credit for that, but I certainly can’t do that until there’s actual credible evidence.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 12, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Irrelevant mostly

more importantly … how often he hits it hard

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 13, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Most encouraging...

excerpt from that article was the implication that his weight (although he’s lost 40 lbs) wasn’t due to a lack of work ethic and that he lives and breathes baseball. Sounds like a good kid and if a definite fan favorite if he makes the major league level.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Jan 12, 2012 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

If anyone every breaks into his house in the middle of the night... good friggin luck.

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by SackMan on Jan 12, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha, I had a good chuckle at that

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by unretrofied93 on Jan 12, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually do keep one by my bed

Its a Ken Griffey Jr bat

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by Hammer on Jan 12, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

but no one is calling him the splendid splinter I bet

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 13, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The early reports are that he is a very team-centered guy

He is always rooting on his teammates, congratulating them, picking them up, etc. That is just fantastic to hear. The bad thing was that some early reports are completely the opposite for Javier Baez. Of course, nobody cares about that if he is hitting .300 with 30 HRs and good defense at 3B.

by RynoRooter on Jan 12, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That's been my attitude on Baez

He’s just a kid and he’s never gotten into any trouble. He has temper tantrums but he never throws punches, bats or gatorade coolers. He’ll grow up.

Of course, I do wonder how he was able to graduate from high school in Florida while barely speaking English. I’ve heard some things about that high school in Florida—specifically that they have a separate program for athletes. None of that matters to the Cubs though, unless it gives him a sense of entitlement and that he doesn’t have to work.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 13, 2012 3:27 AM CST up reply actions  

School districts are required to offer instruction in any language

That has a sizeable enough local population. Yes, he should have had to pass the subject “English” but my son has lots of friends who are in Spanish 4 in HS and can’t or won’t speak a lick of it. Most of Baez’s classes probably had bilingual instructors.

I’m not an expert on the topic by any means, but if someone doesn’t have kids in school these days you might not realize how much things have changed. We chose to put our adopted children in an ESL school rather than bilingual, but part of that is they’re all still in elementary grades and my wife doesn’t speak much Spanish, so we want them immersed in English.

by cubzfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a private school

And if you go to their website, you see that they have two separate programs leading to a HS diploma. They’re very vague about what goes on in the second program.

From their website:

ACDS’s High School offers two (2) academic programs. The majority of the school’s students engage in a challenging traditional college preparatory curriculum. ACDS also provides an opportunity for a standard Florida High School diploma developed for workforce or community college entrance.

That’s about all they say about that second path, but I’d assume that it’s geared towards athletes.

By the way, this was one of the reasons that there was no chance that Baez would not sign with the Cubs and go to college: It was considered very unlikely that he could have gotten in to any college. Again though, none of this is really a concern to the Cubs. We’re not asking him to redesign the database.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I've seen something along those same lines

Mostly that the school is essentially an “athletics academy” and that they barely focus at all on academics. It would lend more credence to the rumors that Baez couldn’t even be eligible for college ball this year because his ACT or SAT score was so low.

It’s a private school, BTW.

by RynoRooter on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair...

Lots of kids, regardless of cultural background, now graduate from high school without being able to speak, write, or read English.

As a teacher at the University level, we call them “undergrads”.

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha ha

And the ones who can’t read, write or speak English the worst are usually the ones most vocal about others needing to speak it.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That would sem to indicate he would likely work to become a decent fielder

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 13, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

So I guess...

…the comparisons of Baez to Aramis Ramirez are dead on in more than just his skills.

by shoebox76 on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

The triple must have been exciting to watch...

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Jan 12, 2012 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

exciting and two minutes long

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 13, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Rumor has it that two of the outfielders died on the play.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

from what you remember or what you imagine?

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 14, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I kind of get tired of the implication that somehow because he is an overweight..

…white kid, that somehow he can’t ever be as good as a Fielder type player. It’s not something I’ve seen here but it’s somethings I’ve heard and read on other sites. This kid by all accounts is an athlete, some say he has all the athletic tools to play first base.

I myself have made the mistake in assuming that Fielder isn’t an athlete, forgetting to remember that we are not all the same. Athletes come in all sizes.

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by troutfishin on Jan 12, 2012 7:18 PM CST reply actions  

they sure do...

I’ve played with and against guys you would assume were slow and awkward, only to be very surprised. to say nothing about what instincts and intelligence can do as far as making someone effective on the basepaths and in the field… hope he’s all that!

by daily2b on Jan 12, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He's 6'0 tall...

in his wet dreams. Have you seen him stand next to people. There’s no way he’s 6’0 tall. When he stands next to me, I’ll believe it. He’s had a gut in every picture, video whatever I’ve ever seen of him… bigger than mine. I’m 270 and I work out a ton. There ain’t no way in hell he’s 240 in some of the videos that claim he’s 240. When the Cubs say he 6’0, 240 in a month down in Arizona, then I MIGHT believe it.

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@JamesDaBear

by jameslcrockett on Jan 13, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If anyone hasn't seen pics of Dan's parents, he comes by it honestly

His mom is a little oversized (not a knock, so am I), but his dad is built like a barrel. Big bones, big chest, big “base.” Vogelbach didn’t just have a huge belly or something, he is the body type that adds fat all over, much like Prince Fielder or Rick Reuschel. Those of us old enough remember that Rick used to be used as a pinch-runner, because he had a quick first step and was extremely smart on the basepaths. If you looked at a picture of him, you’d never have guessed. Dan is taller than his parents (what kids aren’t these days) and seems very serious about his diet (from reports).

by cubzfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:31 AM CST reply actions  

The "fat" players of the 70s and 80s are nothing compared to Prince Fielder.

I remember thinking Reuschel looked awful when he was on the Cubs but if you look at pictures now, he doesn’t look so bad. I also remember thinking that Cecil Fielder, Prince’s dad, was heavy, but he’s but a whisper compared to his son.

Of course perceptions change. The average American was a lot thinner 30 or 40 years ago so a guy like Rick Reuschel looked worse in comparison.

by the nth on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Luzinski seemed really heavy at the time.

Sure doesn’t look really overweight here — just a big guy.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Pictures are deceiving.

They are the definition of small sample size.

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by jameslcrockett on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably close (I guess 500') if the ball hit the sweet spot of a wood bat

The thing about wood vs. metal bats is the “sweet spot”. Wood bats have a sweet spot maybe 1/3 the size of metal bats. So metal bats will give you more consistant good contact compared to wood, but if both bats are hit in the center of the sweet spot, then there probably isn’t a big difference.

by Don't Fear the Reaper on Jan 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Never thought about it like that..

good info. I appreciate it.

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by KJ24 on Jan 13, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about the Rizzo/Vogelbach issue

Cubs will figure something out. If we have to worry about it, it’s a good thing. Rizzo could move to left, there could be a DH, or Vogelbach could even become our Montero.

by Ryno G on Jan 13, 2012 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

The Yanks will never get anything

for Montero.

What? They got Pineda? And another solid SP prospect. And only gave up Noesi to do it.

smh

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by timh815 on Jan 14, 2012 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

great trade for the NYY, stupid trade for the M's

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