OT(ish): Victor Martinez Likely Out for 2012

Martinez has a torn ACL, and the Tigers are probably going to be looking for a DH soon. Think the Cubs are tripping over themselves to call the Tigers about Soriano?

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I would, if I were Theo.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM CST reply actions

I'd think the Tigers are considered contenders to waive his NTC

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by unretrofied93 on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

Garza and Soriano

for Turner. No money straight trade. Then sign Oswalt for one year and you still have tons of money left over.

by jpeters407 on Jan 17, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions

Oswalt for 1 year totally doesn't fit what Theo seems to be doing

Kerry Wood aside.

by madcow256 on Jan 17, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

Right.

I’d want the Tigers to take at least some of the Soriano deal.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions

I think what jpeters is saying...

…is that the Tigers take on ALL of Soriano’s contract, plus they get Garza, for Turner. There’s no way they do this, but a guy can dream!

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by cubswynn on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly.

The TIgers aren’t sure they want to move Turner in a deal for Garza and the Cubs sweeten the pot by throwing in Soriano and his contract!

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by rlpete on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions

you flip Oswalt to a contender for a nice prospect

by Mitchener on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions

Billy Beane, is that you?

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by cubswynn on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions

And yes I would take Oswalt for one year at what he is asking and flip him at the deadline. If we did happen to be in the running you could keep him. Theo wants nine starters and we only have eight.(Garza, Dempster, Volstad, TWood, Maholm, Wells, Coleman, and Sonnanstine) if you don’t count Shark.

by jpeters407 on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions

Too bad

And its sad that Soriano is the very first thing I thought of too when I read the news.

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by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Well that blows

Since that knocks their chances down now for a repeat postseason run, think that’d change their view on acquiring a new starter (cough) garza (cough)

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by unretrofied93 on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions

Bring back Rusty Staub!

by EalyEagle on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions

Actually

… if they’re looking for a stopgap, Carlos Pena would be just about right for them. That doesn’t help the Cubs, but he’d fit pretty well there.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM CST reply actions

Would Cabrera be content DHing?

Pena would be a big upgrade defensively over Cabrera at 1B.

by RynoRooter on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions

Pena had some good years in the early 2000s ...

on some terrible Detroit teams. Not saying this would figure in to any decision.

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by elgato on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions

I hear the Yankees are interested in Pena too.

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by cubswynn on Jan 17, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions

So...

2012- Go… Tigers?

by ddoubleheader on Jan 18, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

I'm guessing Theo will have to take a number...

…seeing as how I’m sure the agents for Vlad, Pena, Matsui, DLee and Damon are probably clogging up the lines.

Oh, and how could I forget Manny?

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by ballhawk on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions

Needs to do a Crazy Eddie - "the Cubs will not be undersold!"

by ClarkFan on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

I don't see it.

If I was the Tigers, I’d call Carlos Pena or another FA before taking on Soriano.

I’d be shocked if Soriano is moved anywhere this off-season.

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by rlpete on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions

Killjoy.....

by ClarkFan on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

It might cost them $10 million for Pena.

They could have three years of Soriano for not much more, if the Cubs are willing to eat $40 million of the deal.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

where does sori go after V-Mart is back healthy though

by MDavis on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

At 3yr 9MM...

They can just drop him when V-Mart comes back. Or if Soriano is healthy, maybe flip him in the off season.

by ubercubsfan on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions

if Soriano is healthy and doing well.

by ubercubsfan on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions

It all depends on the money

It always does.

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by Brett Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

I don't really think Pena is looking for another 1 year deal.

I still think he’ll end up with a 2yr/16MM or 3yr/21MM.

by ubercubsfan on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

This late in the game?

With very few options? Who’s going to give Pena a three-year deal?

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by Al Yellon on Jan 17, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions

well, who's gonna give Soriano a three-year deal?

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by ballhawk on Jan 17, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions

No one has to.

He already has one.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

Well it may not matter what he wants.

Who is giving him that? Fielder wants 10 years too.

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by rlpete on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions

Soriano is going nowhere...

…everybody needs to stop dreaming! :)

by bergs55 on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions

Always

expect the unexpected.

by wild bill on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions

Cubs will be going nowhere this season.

Ergo, Soriano will be going nowhere. As the old proverb says, wherever you go, there you are.

by ddoubleheader on Jan 18, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

Soto?

Rather than thinking about dumping Soriano, which seems unlikely, what about including Soto in a trade with Garza?

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by WGNstatic on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM CST reply actions

Tigers

have a 25 year old catcher that slugged .500 last season.

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by rlpete on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions

They might be interested in Clevenger in a Garza deal

because their backup catcher is Gerald Laird, and I don’t think they have anyone on the verge at AAA. Clev could give them a decent lefty bat off the bench as well as being the backup catcher if Laird gets hurt or sucks.

But that’s about the extent of how this V-Mart news matters to the Cubs.

by cubzfan on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions

one thing to make note

Soriano hit better than any DH did last season. Is it allowed to pay a player (Cubs) and then make it a one year deal(tigers)

Well I guess that means a 50+million DH for one season? Never mind :(

I was hoping he gets moved…

by RIP Slim on Jan 17, 2012 4:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Soriano would have been in the bottom third of DH's last season

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by subtle on Jan 18, 2012 7:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Can't Wikipedia it today

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by timh815 on Jan 18, 2012 7:40 AM CST up reply actions

Bad break

for the Tigers.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 17, 2012 5:08 PM CST reply actions

v-mart is out for a year

why would they want 2 extra years of crap tacked onto it?

Just wee-un.

by jesus christos on Jan 17, 2012 5:08 PM CST reply actions

Because they are there to take the Cubs rejects.

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by rlpete on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions

It boils down...

to how bad the Cubs want to get rid of Soriano. I personally don’t see it, as he doesn’t seem to be a negative clubhouse presence, but I don’t really know what they’re thinking.

2 extra years of crap really isn’t crap. They’d only be paying 2 or 3 million each season. Soriano at 2-3 million isn’t a bad deal at all. They could release or trade him after this season and it wouldn’t matter. They get a cheap DH who has some—albeit limited—bounceback potential, can hit 25-30 HRs, and not have to watch him play defense.

I don’t know if it’d be worth it for the Cubs, depending on the deal.

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by Kansas25 on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions

Living here in Detroit area

and listening to Tiger’s GM Dombrowski talk about the situation, he is more inclined to look in house (Bosch or Delmon Young) and if he did Free Agency, he would be looking for only a 1-year commitment at best.

Speculation on Sports talk radio is that they go after Vald or someone like Pena, DLee or even Johnny Damon. Another angle is that they get more serious in their pursuit of Cespedes (stick him in LF and move Delmon Young to DH).

Someone brought up the possibility of Soriano from the Cubs and the radio host just about gagged on his microphone! Detroit doesn’t want Soriano (at any cost)!

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by CubFanSince1970 on Jan 18, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions

One thought I had would be to trade them Byrd to play LF and then put Young as their DH.

Obviously not the same production, but he might be a bit more valuable in that line up. It’s also only a 1 year commitment instead of the 3 that Soriano represents.

Maybe Byrd can sweeten the deal for Garza to get more prospects/better prospects?

by bdlugz on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions

I don't like to see injuries, especially season-enders in January

but it should tighten the ALC and create more trade-buzz in July.

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by timh815 on Jan 18, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions

I don't think the ALC will change any... the Indians are the only threat and I'm not sure they can deal with the Tigers even without VMart.

by bdlugz on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

Byrd makes more sense than Soriano.

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by rlpete on Jan 18, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

Release him?

Yes the Tigers could but that would still be a $5 or $6 million dollar hit depending on how much the Tigers pay him. I still don’t think Soriano makes any sense for them when there are other options out there.

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by rlpete on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

Oh...

I don’t think the Tigers do this. There’s much better options. But I don’t think it’d be that much of a reach. Eating 5 million over 2 years is feasible. But I think they could definitely find a trading partner for such a small contract.

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by Kansas25 on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

The only way Soriano is going anywhere this season

Is if the Cubs eat nearly his entire salary going forward and if they can find a partner with a hitter friendly stadium. I don’t think Soriano’s numbers get any better in Comerica.

by subtle on Jan 19, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions