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So, who wants to talk about some baseball?

UPDATE: Rizzo acquired, Cashner moved, questions 1-3 answered. Obviously everyone is on the front page but feel free to address questions 2,4 and 5 here if you have thoughts.

I have to admit with a couple days hindsight the Zambrano deal looks pretty good. Getting a guy who can compete in the back-end of the rotation for a few years is a pretty good return. So we've turned the page and gotten the clubhouse back. Are we done? Or are more moves coming? 5 questions to answer between now and Spring Training

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1. Is Cashner a starter? This to me almost seems like a case where you have to let the pitcher decide. Cashner would be most valuable in the rotation, but he pitched effectively out of the pen on return last year. I think you have to sit down with him and just ask him: where are you most comfortable? how's the shoulder? Do you feel like you can throw 150-175 innings this year? If he says yes, you've got to start him because it gives you the best chance to have a plus rotation. That gives 6 guys competing for 5 spots. Not a bad place to be. IMO, given decent springs from all 6, Wood is most likely to move to the pen, but that's something you can sort out in spring training.

2. Do we trade Garza?. Let's face it, Garza is the unquestioned ace of the staff. If he's dealt, you're clearly punting 2012. We've been through this before. If you get an offer of Turner, Smyly, Paulino and Brantley you pull the trigger. If not, Garza is a Cub in 2012, at least until July.

3. Is LaHair really the starting 1b? The obvious place to make a move. Not opposed to starting LaHair. I think he can hit. But a back-up plan or a RH hitting platoon partner would make me feel better, if not the PF flyer.

4. Is eating $40 million+ really worth it to move Sori? As Theo said, Sori has power on a team that is seriously lacking it, especially from the right side. I think Sori's coming back --with lots of double-switches in his future. Next offseason may be a more opportune time to send him out. But Theo & Jed have shown they can surprise us. At the moment, I'm resigned.

5. Who's on second? Barney did a decent job last year and held his own at the plate, but expecting more isn't really realistic. A regression would mean lots of Blake DeWitt. On a team with little offensive firepower, is there an upgrade to be found here? I've looked around at who's available, and found nothing.

Am I missing anything? Discuss.

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Crazy idea -- Soriano to 1B?

Here’s what I think:

1) 1B isn’t all that difficult of a defensive player (Adam Dunn played it, after all….not extremely well, but passable enough).

2) Soriano was a 2nd baseman. Sure, he was brutal there, but fielding 2B is much more taxing than 1B. No reason to think he couldn’t field 1B effectively.

3) 1B is much less taxing, physically, than LF — couldn’t that help save Soriano’s legs/knees, and make him more effective offensively?

Wouldn’t this make sense? Particularly with the glut of OFers we now have on the roster?

by Chadnudj on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

It may help save his legs

but the one thing you have to have as a 1st baseman is decent hands. I don’t think Sori could do it, at least not well enough to make it worth it. 1st basemen are involved in more defensive plays. We want him involved in less.

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by SouthWabashSoul on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Good hands and good footwork.

Soriano has neither. He was a bad second baseman. He’d be a horrific first baseman.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Just think that if Dunn could do it, Soriano could do it better.

(And that may very well be damning with faint praise….)

by Chadnudj on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

To the footwork question though....

Dunn was just slow with no mobility. The footwork question is whether a player can get in proper position easily to take a throw. I’m not saying Soriano couldn’t but the footwork question is valid.

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by rlpete on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

You can't win this one. Al is firmly anti-Soriano at first. I agree that it wouldn't be pretty.

But there will be a lot of things that aren’t pretty in 2012. Soriano’s pretty much in physical danger anywhere you put him in the field. I get the added errors from Castro and all of that. Just have to see what the roster looks like. I’d definitely give Soriano some time over there in spring training. The only person it might hurt is the opposing team’s first base coach.

by the nth on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

You assume Dunn did it

Yes, Dunn was positioned at 1B, but to say he played it is a bit of a stretch.

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 7, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

The only positive of a move of No. 12 to 1B would be that it would greatly cut down on his loping or walking out to his position every inning. At home he’d still have to make his way all but at most road venues, he’d be able to walk Fred McGriff-style only about 50 feet every inning….back and forth. That would be fun to watch.

by krummy12 on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Re-written

….At home he’d still have to make his way ALL THE WAY across the diamond…but at most road venues, he’d be able to walk Fred McGriff-style only about 50 feet…."

by krummy12 on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Ditto

Plus, do you see him stretching for a throw up the baseline with a runner bearing down on him? Or turning a 3-6-3 DP? He gets bad jumps on fly balls, throwing him at a corner position will eat him alive. No thank you.

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by BigJohnAZ on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense now that the Cubs acquired Rizzo

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 7, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

My opinions...

1. Start Cashner in the bullpen to stretch him out/see if he’s healthy. Right now we have Garza/Dempster/Wood/Volstad/Wells as a probably rotation, which I’m fine with in a rebuilding year. Shark also wants to start. Make sure Cashner can throw 70+ healthy innings before trying to get him to throw 150+. If we move Garza then it’s a different story.

2. I trade Garza for a windfall or try to sign him for something like 4/$44M. He’s likely going to earn $20M in arbitration over the next two years, then figure $15M/year for his first two free agent years. So you sign him cheaper for the financial security he gets. If we get two elite prospects, one being a near MLB-ready SP with at least strong #2 upside… then you consider moving him.

3. I think Baker will platoon some with LaHair and Stewart. We’re likley not competing in 2012 and I’d say 2013 is unlikely either depending on moves. LaHair is cheap and cost-controlled… give him a shot. If he fails miserably it’s probably the difference between a 65 and 70 win season at the most.

4. I think you have to get at least $5M in savings a year to move Soriano. At 3/$54M that would be close to eating $40M max. He has very little value, even as a DH, so that’s the cost of doing business. It’s a sunk cost… get what you can… since it’s very likely not going to be decent prospects.

5. I see nothing available for 2B that’s realistic/fits in the apparent rebuilding plan. As far as I’m concerned, for at least one more year, if not two, Barney will likely provide surplus value in terms of on-field play vs. his contract… so until we find two TOR SPs and a long-term solution at 1B and 3B (I have my doubt about LaHair and Stewart as most do), then 2B is less of a priority.

by IOftenPanic on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

I'm with you on Cashner.

I would leave the starting pitcher option open but realistically after last year, what is the expected number of innings for him this year. It’s not like he was putting up big totals before the injury. His 2009 and 2010 inning totals were around 100 and 110 respectively. Coming off the injury is the realistic 2012 number more around 100-110 innings?

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by rlpete on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

It's possible you can also start him in August/September...

…if we move Dempster or something to a playoff team by the trade deadline… once the Cubs are inevitably 20 games out.

But I agree… 100 or so IP this year would be a reasonable place to start. Maybe 50 in relief and then another 50 in starts should a space open up/Cashner prove himself healthy.

by IOftenPanic on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Also... if people are interested in a more inclusive salary breakdown...

…you can check this out.

Cubs Salary Spreadsheet

It’s got current salaries based on Cot’s, projected arbitration salaries from MLB Trade Rumors and MLB minimum salaries for players likely to receive that. I change this as new info comes in, and there’s always room for debate on just who will end up on the 25-man. I’ve found this to be a more complete/accurate estimation of the Cubs’ salary situaton moving forward than other sites.

I also do one for the Bulls and Bears.

by IOftenPanic on Jan 6, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

nice

there is certainly flexibility based on those numbers, I can certainly see the Cubs getting in on Cesepedes.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Is all the talk about LaHair our 1st baseman all smoke and mirrors to cover

up the actual work on a Fielder deal? I know I can’t believe everything I read but some writers are still saying the Cubs are still in on Fielder.

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by mrcubsfan on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

With how Theo and Jed are playing this offseason...

We unfortunately wont have any idea until Fielder actually signs somewhere.

by bdlugz on Jan 6, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

That is the Theo and Jed way.

They won’t show their cards. I suspect they are looking at options but in the meantime the public line is LaHair at 1st base.

John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?

by rlpete on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

"If he's dealt, you're clearly punting 2012"

Well, just taking a look at the possible lineup combinations on January 6 should give you an idea that 2012 has already been punted. It’s pretty difficult to win with 7 hitters that will see everyday AB’s but should really be fighting for part-time AB’s in the 6-8 spots. And that is saying nothing about Dale Sveum actually having to pencil some of them into the middle of the order.

by krummy12 on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

Agree

Even bringing in PF I still think you’re relying on too many bounce back fillers to compete. Which is why I think they don’t sign PF and trade Garza before ST.

As for Sori, I think they wait until July when teams are desparate for power and his salary is more palatalbe for the year. Plus they could hold off on starting Jackson’s service time.

by nick5253 on Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Some longer winded than probably necessary answers

One: False choice, IMO. Cashner certainly should not be expected to post 170 IP. That’s nuts. He’s never thrown over 110 in a season. 140 is a more realistic target.

That said, he should absolutely, positively move forward as a SP if he is physically sound. This whole “durability issue” with Cashner is completely befuddling. He’s been hurt exactly once. It cost him most of the season, but frankly, I’ll attribute at least part of that to an underperforming Cub medical staff (they seem really, really bad at rehabbing players effectively… and in some cases having diagnosis issues).

If he’s healthy… there just isn’t a single logical reason to move him to the pen to start this season. As the OP noted… he’s more valuable as a starter. If being a starter isn’t working out, either for health or effectiveness reasons… he can always move to the pen later this year or to start next season. So I just can’t quite fathom why you’d send him to the pen to start the ‘12 season. And, no, "he’ll be better in the pen" isn’t a strong argument (at least without a lot more support).

Two: Debated to death already, not that I blame you for adding it to the list. Simple answer: you trade Garza if you get absolutely overwhelmed by an offer and/or if he makes it clear he’s ‘demands’ for an extension would be beyond where the Cubs see his value. He is absolutely a “starter you can build around”. That doesn’t mean he can’t be traded to make the club better in the long run.

Three: If there’s no Prince, then yes, he should be. Baker can be the RH platoon if needed, but I think you give BLH a chance against lefties under the “what do you have to lose, except games you’ll probably already be losing?” clause. Signing an Overbay/Pena/LaRoche kind of guy really makes little sense.

Four: IMO, probably. His power numbers strike me as awfully empty (though he had a little more “clutchiness” last year) and he seems a sure bet to continue to age poorly. File this under “sunk cost” and get what you can. I’m a little fearful of waiting another off-season, for fear of him getting more hurt and/or falling off a cliff, statistically.

Five:

but expecting more isn’t really realistic. A regression would mean lots of Blake DeWitt.

Why… on either account? DeWitt isn’t the solution to anything. On “expecting more”… why would it be out of the question for him to make modest improvements?

I’m not talking about him all of a sudden becoming an .800 OPS guy… but why couldn’t he see slight upticks in production with a little more experience under his belt? He went .276/.313/.353 (a devilish .666 OPS). Would .285 (like, 1 more hit a month) / .335 (take the additional hit and add one more walk a month) / .370 (more experience = more confidence = drive the ball a touch more) = .705 with plus defense. Is that really out of the question?

I know the Cubs are hurting for offense… and if they bring in a run producer who plays 2B, that’s cool. Barney should ideally be the worst hitter in your line-up to go along with his D. But I think he stays seeing as he is the Cubs’ best IF defender by a mile (and the only back-up SS).

I’d add a sixth question: who else gets signed? One of the Cuban players? Fielder? Other?

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

Apparently the 1st and 3rd questions have just been answered.

I may have to do a re-write.

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by SouthWabashSoul on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

As it stands now, here's your (IMO) 2012 Cubs

C – Soto, Castillo or Jaramillo
1B – LaHair
2B – Barney
SS – Castro
3B – Stewart
OF – Soriano, DeJesus, Byrd

Bench – Baker, DeWitt, Castillo/Jaramillo, Johnson, Campana/Jackson (doubtful if not starting)/Sappelt/Szczur (only here because he’s on the 40 man)

So that’s 13-14 players, probably going to only be four OF’s because Baker and DeWitt can play OF. I put LaHair at 1B because reports indicate at the moment that LaHair is your starter as of now and that Theo/Jed want Rizzo in the minors at least for the first month or so. The biggest problem, which has been the concern since the off season started, has been power. There’s not much. I’d expect LaHair to hit about 20, if he’s allowed to play the whole season. Stewart is a toss up. Byrd, Barney, and DeJesus will get about 20 between them. Soriano…well who knows. Castro could contribute another 15. Soto should rebound but you never know.

SP – Garza (I don’t think he’ll be traded), Dempster, Wood, Wells, Volstad

RP – Shark, Carpenter, Mateo, Maine/Gaub, Russell
SU – Wood (assuming he’s re signed)
CL – Marmol (Unless traded, don’t see it happening)

This isn’t a team that’s going to win anything. Once again, starting pitching is the weakness. The bull pen is actually pretty good, but Marmol makes us all nervous. he’s gonna have to prove he can do it this year. It’s all mechanical, which is both good and bad. I think mental is much worse. The good news is that Wood has proven he can close, so we have some insurance, given that he stays healthy. The bottom line is there needs to be another starter added. There’s depth in the minors for SP, but there needs to be someone who can be a 3 added. I think you need to replace Wells. This is a make it or break it year for him and I don’t feel confident that he’ll make it, and even if he does, he’s a fourth starter at best. I don’t like penciling Dempster in at the 2 spot but I don’t think there’s anything you can do on that this year. It’s his last year in his contract and after this year, you thank him for his service and move on. He’s getting older and his numbers have been declining every year since he signed his big deal.

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by Musicdude10 on Jan 7, 2012 8:53 PM CST reply actions  

Baker and DeWitt can play OF

Sort of.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 8, 2012 4:42 AM CST up reply actions  

How about...
Baker and DeWitt can stand in the OF

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Jan 9, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on all counts

the line-up is pretty anemic but could be OK if everyone lives up to potential. Stewart and Soto in particular have to produce.

I do think we’ll add another starter with an outside chance Garza is still traded.

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by SouthWabashSoul on Jan 8, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

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