Report: Starlin Castro Accused Of Sexual Assault
by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 AM CST
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A Chicago woman has accused Starlin Castro of sexual assault. This story broke earlier Friday morning at CBS Chicago via WBBM radio reporter Mike Krauser. Here are some of the details from that report:
[The woman] claims that she was drinking with friends at a River North nightclub on the night of Sept. 29 when she met Castro.
Sources say she and a friend left the bar at 3 a.m. and went to the 21-year-old Castro’s apartment on State Street nearby.
According to the police report, the alleged victim said she blacked out.
She told police she came to, and found the alleged offender – Castro, according to our sources – sexually assaulting her.
The heavily redacted police report offers little information.
It says that when she woke up she screamed and yelled at her alleged attacker, and left the apartment at about 5:30 a.m. getting a ride home from her friend.
The article goes on to say that the woman waited 12 hours to get medical treatment and that neither the Cubs, nor Castro's agent Paul Kinzer, nor police had any further comment.
Later, two attorneys for Castro, Jay K. Reisinger and Michael P. Gillespie, made a statement reported by Craig Calcaterra at Hardball Talk:
We are aware of certain allegations that have been made against our client, Starlin Castro. We have thoroughly investigated this matter, and we are confident that these allegations are baseless. Given the sensitive nature of this matter, we cannot comment any further.
I think that statement is one we all have to keep in mind. It is a very sensitive matter and we know very little at this time. According to this article on the Cubs website, Castro is scheduled to attend the Cubs Convention, which begins a week from today. The original CBS Chicago report indicates that Chicago police want to talk to Castro about the matter -- no charges have been filed.
So let's discuss this matter, but carefully, and don't assume the worst -- not yet, anyway.
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Nothing to discuss. Let law enforcement do their job.
by Rick B on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 AM CST reply actions 10 recs
you are most likely
correct. What is there to discuss? It is either true or false. To make any assumptions would be wrong and not fair to anyone. Time will tell us the outcome.
I agree as there is very little to talk about.
There are many unanswered question such as “What does the woman’s friend know?”, “What was the result of the medical treatment?”, etc.
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Yes, at this point, speculation doesn't do any good
But you do know that people are going to speculate, anyway, right?
I’d prefer to wait until we have more facts.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'm scanning twitter as we speak.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Wow. The rest of this thread goes down quick.
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by section229beer on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
TWSCS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
+13
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by section229beer on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
As it stands right now, this seems like the common case of-
“I said yes, but I was drunk, so I really meant no.”
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by SoMissTitansFan on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Just…wow
So, in response to agreeing with that there being nothing to discuss, you’re going to say that, especially with the little info that’s out there? That’s special.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
oh, let's please not go there.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
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many have already gone there.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Uh huh
Law enforcement has such a fantastic track record with nailing celebrities to the wall for criminal activities.
I mean this is likely just another in the long line of false accusations in order to milk money out of sports icons that completely take an otherwise innocent event and twist facts to paint a lurid portrait. There is an epidemic in this country of these charges, thousands of these cases are brought forth every single year against American athletes right? What, no? Hundreds? Hmm… not hundreds. Dozens? What, not even dozens you say? Well shit.
But. But. How else can we prolong accepting the possibility that she’s, you know, actually trying to defy the odds and see justice prevail against a public figure? Maybe she consented while drunk? Maybe she asked for it, I mean she went home with the guy at 3am, what else could she have been expecting?
It’s probably her fault even if it did happen. Right? Right?
Is it evident that Castro is guilty based on the allegations? Of course not. Just because someone says it doesn’t make it true. However this knee jerk response to assume that the charges are bullshit is unbelievably shameful. Is this really who we are? Putting personal bias of an otherwise meaningless sports team adjacent, if not ahead of, making sure that women aren’t being sexually assaulted seems pretty American, I mean, stupid to me.
People keep talking about “let’s wait for all the facts to come in before we judge”. Sure, there’s wisdom in that logic, not drawing a conclusion before all of the facts have been presented. But what sort of facts are people expecting here? If it did happen the way she claims it did, what would it take for people here to believe her? Will anything short of DNA evidence really convince anyone? I mean, she waited a full 12 hours before seeking medical attention, those marks could just have as easily been made by a sexual encounter with someone else. Twelve hours is a long time, and hey, we know this chick is loose, she’s going home with 21 year olds at 3am!
It’s not like the information regarding public icons is controlled or anything. Three months is the exact time it would take for a police report to be filled, it certainly wasn’t buried or anything. It’s probably just a coincidence that the casual fan isn’t really paying attention amidst the offseason, with football playoffs just getting underway and the only Cubs headline involves the trading of Carlos Zambrano. Coincidence is all, clearly that wasn’t planned, it’s just this lady’s luck that it took three months to get this information into the public arena. Three months is standard for news.
If you honestly believe that there’s virtually no chance that there’s validity to this woman’s claim, then you might as well take a quick look for oil so long as your head is buried that far in the sand.
It’s wrong to say that he’s guilty based on this. Because based on what we’ve been told, we don’t really know anything. But I do not understand this need of people to simply assume that this woman is lying for personal gain. How can we just instantly assume the worst of this woman, but simply refuse to believe in even the possibility of the worst of this young man?
Relying on ‘the system’ to bring justice in any form other than financial compensation to make this go away as silently as possible seems pretty ridiculous to me.
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by WittyUserName on Jan 6, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Well if she went after sombody for money why Castro?
He is well of right now but he doesn’t make much money compared to other players or people in Chicago. Dont get me wrong 440,000 is a lot of money. So if she did this for money I am curious why him.
Agree on so many levels
I don’t want to have to loathe Starlin Castro.
Yes, this
DEEPLY hoping the same thing for every possible reason…..
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by CaughtInTheVines on Jan 6, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Patience would be a prudent attribute here
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
Patience yes
We do need to wait until this plays out. However, I’m disappointed that he would put himself in a position where this could happen.
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I think that's baloney.
We don’t know what happened but what is he supposed to do, practice celibacy? This could have been a date for all we know. He didn’t get caught with a weapon, he didn’t get in a drunken brawl, and we don’t even know he broke the law. You’re telling me when you were 21 you wouldn’t go to a bar and bring girls home if you could? I can’t blame a guy for that. He may have done nothing more than what anyone here would do. While he certainly could have, I think its wrong to say we’re disappointed that a male met a female at a bar and went back to his place.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
you cannot compare any of us at 21 to a MLB All Star at 21
nothing is the same besides being 21.
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A: To Dump Garza
Yes, you can.
We’re human beings. They aren’t robots. They have the same desires as you and I, and there is nothing wrong with a guy going to a bar, on presumably an off day. Again, how do you know it wasn’t a date? Who do we know he possibly had met the accuser before, had relations before, and this was the norm?
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
no one goes to a bar looking for a pay day off a 21 year old making $10 an hour
in a warehouse, it is not the same for a star baseball palyer.
i understand your point, but it is not the same for the average Joe and a big name star
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
That's a valid point
however because there are losers out there (not saying this is the case here) that go for the money grab and make false accusations shouldn’t mean its immature that you were at an establishment at 3 AM when you didn’t have any professional commitments the next day (again, I assume this is the case).
You could get the very same charge at the Piggly Wiggly getting groceries. Is he not supposed to leave his house?
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
im not saying it is mature or immature
i just have said that nothing good happens at a bar at 3 am when you are a big name person (athlete, music, actor, et al)
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
I'll agree to that
but the same accusation could have happened at 7, 9 or 11 PM.
But I’ll agree, 3 AM is a little extensive if your famous.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
That doesn't change anything...
The allegations are the same whether they were strangers or best friends. At the end of the day, putting yourself in a situation like that (where he or she was too drunk to know any better) isn’t a good thing. I’m not saying no one else has ever done it, but that is something you tend to grow out of as you mature.
You’re getting very defensive when people are claiming it’s a lack of maturity on Castro’s part. No one is judging him for being an immature 21 year old, we’ve most likely all been there – it’s simply an observation.
I'm not defensive
I just think that logic is flawed. I’ll agree that your actions at 21 aren’t what they would be at 28. But I can’t be pissed at a guy for being 21 and being out on the town.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
And I'm not pissed at him at all if that's the case.
You’re mistaking my saying I think it’s not the mature thing to do with a personal attack at Castro. I don’t know a single 21 year old guy that IS truly mature, it’s simply the way we’re programmed, IMO.
No one is saying they were mature at 21...
But going to a bar and trying to pick up women at 3AM is certainly not something mature adults do.
Maturity is making sure you never get into those situations. Saying Castro isn’t mature isn’t knocking him as a person, it’s pointing out that he’s 21.
I personally hope that this turns out to be nothing, but hearing those words thrown around is a very scary thing.
I'm 28
and have probably been at a bar at 3 AM maybe 3 times in my life, but I don’t call it immature. You were out having a good time and could very possibly have done NOTHING wrong. Immature would be groping women at a bar, being rude, exposing yourself, then taking trying to take someone home. How the hell does anyone know he was enjoying the night, having a few drinks, met a cute girl and things took off from there?
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
I'm not going to get into arguing this - I don't think it's productive to the conversation and won't go anywhere good
We’ll just agree to disagree, and that’s fine.
When I was 21
I never was found on top of a passed out girl who could not concent to having sex.
by sharkfan on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Oh because you know that was the case?
Blacked out is not passed out. And who is to say:
1 – This even happened
2 – It wasn’t provoked
3 – It hadn’t happened between them before
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by TCobb1911 on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm agreeing with you TCobb
These are allegations. We don’t know what’s true and what’s not here.
I’m not understanding the argument “he shouldn’t have put himself in this position.” Which position is that? Going out? Meeting women? Having drinks? What does it matter waht time it was? Beyond that seems to be assuming at least some of the allegations are true that he took advantage of her. To avoid the rest of the allegations, if they’re false, he’s always going to have to have somebody there with him at all times as a witness.
I guess it boils down to the old CYA
I can understand the “nothing good happens at 3 AM” phrase. Its just a shame if this is baseless that it comes to this.
Question for someone whose been around longer than myself: It wasn’t unusual for old time players like Mantle to party. Did anything like this happen in the olden days?
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Not being any older than you...
It would be harder to find out because there wasn’t a 24 hour news cycle. And a lot of information was reported on just because it was felt out of the realm of public need to know.
Well if she was blacked out I can honestly say I wouldnt touch her
But there has not been a lot of evidence released so it is the waiting game
Well....
he is a 21 year old male that has women frequently coming on to him.
I’m not saying it is a smart thing but I’m not surprised that he picked up some woman in a bar. Have you noticed that it seems like nearly every baseball player’s wife is good looking. That is not a coincidence.
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by section229beer on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I am glad he is not on the cardinals anymore
But my thoughts and prayers go out to him and him family. I wished it would be on different circumstances.
Please no...
He is a big part of our future and I just got my Starlin Castro jersey. I will hold judgement though…
This is an absolute minefield
for speculation. No one knows the full facts, but having seen this happen so often to Australian athletes over the years people make up their minds on the slimmest information.
All I know is (and with respect to the two parties involved), having gone through the rugby club I support being accused of sexual assault in the past, it is truly the worst news you can hear as a fan short of your club being moved or dissolved. My team, eight years on, still get called rapists, despite every accused (and eventually cleared) player having left the club. The accusation, once made, becomes a lifetime smear no matter what the eventual legal outcome is.
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Same thing that happened with the players from Duke.
didn't the entire team resign following that scandal?
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Jan 6, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
What about the Kobe Bryant accusations?
That seems like a similar thing to this.
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Good point.
I don’t think people really associate that with Kobe anymore. Sure, it’s been years since the accusation, but he’s kept a pretty clean image overall.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Jan 6, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
And the media does point out that Ray Lewis helped cover up a murder.
But he did. And kobe is a cheating bastard to took advantage if a teenaged girl.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
At best, cover up the murder
At worst, he murdered two people and let his friends go to jail for it instead of him.
Interesting
I clearly missed the part where they were acquitted. So the court’s official position is none of the guys killed the dudes?
The kobe case is not one I would use as a "wrongly accused" example
That poor girl had 50 million in lawyers and PR firms dumped on her. Kobe could have been innocent but they muddied the water so fast no one will ever know expect Kobe and the girl.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i mentioned that in the other thread
and i bet the same results happen
she will be paid to go away
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A: To Dump Garza
Well then never mind.
No problems then. Why are we even talking about this?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Because he said so.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Big Ben as well
Stigma is still attached to him, however.
Yeah.
Bodyguards blocking the bathroom they were in? Really???
by CubFan90 on Jan 6, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Big Ben was accused by 2 separate women over the course of 2 years
He is ABSOLUTELY a predator.
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by aaronb on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I try to withhold judgement on sports figures in these cases...
However having known Ben from school, it pains me to say that none of these reports were the least bit surprising to me….
There was talk about his affinity of underage girls before any of these allegations came about
I try not to pass judgement. But I am fairly confident that Big Ben absolutely bought his way out of those charges.
That Kobe Bryant police report and initial police interview was pretty harrowing as well.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Except that Kobe was guilty
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
The thing that doomed Kobe
was that there was blood from the victim found on his T shirt. Apparently he likes it rough.
His legal team was deep into accusing the woman of being a slut when this was revealed, and then suddenly Kobe settled millions of dollars on the accuser.
and his wife/ex-wife is walking away with half
Kobe is a dick…f him
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The woman in the Kobe Bryant case
Got a $5M+ settlement to drop her accusation. I doubt Starlin Castro has that kind of cash.
The thing I don’t get – the police report was filed in September. We are just hearing about it now? That is 4 months ago. Don’t the Chicago papers have crime reporters any more?
Because they know he will be in town next week for the Cubs convention
Do you really think an public record criminal report was filed in September/October, with his name in it, and that was missed in Chicago? I am doubtful of that.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
FYI Castro was back in Nov to meet with Theo & Jed
Presumably the police did not inform them they wanted to question Castro.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jan 7, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I don't remember that
But there’s also no guarantee that the police knew he was in town. Zambrano appears to have slipped into and out of town without notice.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Didnt Kobe's accuser go home to her boyfriend
and have sex with him before she went to the hospital.
Reserving judgement
It doesn’t look great that he left the country the next morning after the alleged assault but there are wilder coincidences I suppose. Let’s hope it is baseless.
Flight was prearranged and had nothing to do with the assault.
Let’s try and make sure that if we’re going to bring things like that up that all of the facts are included.
this is exactly what i'm talking about
I brought up a FACT, and then said it could have been a coincidence. If you are going to make comments like that how about you read what I actually post.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jan 6, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
groan
just so tired of firestarters like bdlugz.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jan 6, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously, you shouldn't have mentioned the flight at all.
It’s clear that it was a coincidence. We need to tread carefully here.
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or
knowing his plane is leaving soon, he might have gotten a felt he could do what he wanted then jumpo ship for the winter (not saying he did that, but it is an option)
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
Is it also a clear coincidence that Zambrano was traded yesterday and Theo said many of his ex-teammates torched him?
Maybe Z called the WBBM tipline, eh Mr. Krauser?
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by section229beer on Jan 6, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Why not bring it up?
We’re not Law Enforcement. No one cares about our opinions. Let the discuss go within reason. Bringing up the flight isn’t a mistake at all. Maybe he didn’t know it was arranged?
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
or knowing he was leaving town for a few months
gave him added back bone to try to go a little further than normal. when someone has an excuse to push the line further, it is not uncommon to do so.
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
The flight was mentioned in the article
But it is not ok to mention it here. Please re-read my post, I made no allegations and stated in fact – not knowing when the flight was booked – it could very well be a coincidence which it turns out it was.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Woah, wait...
You bring up a flight saying “It doesn’t look great,” with leaving one major fact out and I’M the fire starter? Is this a joke?
you focus on one sentence
without addressing that i said it could very well be a coincidence and that i stated to reserve all judgement. Now who is parsing? When I said “doesn’t look great” I did not mean for his innocence or lack thereof, I simply meant that when people see an alleged assault and then someone leaving country the next day it is not the best combination. Whatever, this is why it is impossible to have a rational conversation here with certain people.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jan 6, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I was simply filling in you stating it may be a coincidence informing you it WAS a coincidence as it was a prearranged flight.
You’re the one that replied huffing and puffing claiming I’m a fire starter what ALL I did was add in the information you were missing. I NEVER said you were falsely accusing Castro, I NEVER said you were making a judgement on him. Settle down, you’re making a big deal out of absolutely nothing – it looks like you came here looking for a fight….
Didn’t this happen if it did the day after the season ended?
The media has been saying all day he fled. Well it makes sense he was flying home right after end of season.
And he has no reason to come back here during the fall/winter.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying he did or didn't do it
But being involved in a criminal investigation for sexual assault would count as a “reason” to me.
How could he leave the country
the morning after the alleged assault? It happened in September. The Cubs would still be playing then.
season ended on the 28th
castro got lucky on the 29th
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
As of now, it's just an accusation
Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Still, the point made above about not putting yourself in that position is a good one.
Stuff like this often devolves into a “he said, she said” thing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jan 6, 2012 9:20 AM CST reply actions
I'm glad you think so
The point is, under these kinds of circumstances, these cases often get thrown out.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Why are you trolling NBF?
Knock it off.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, NBF says plenty of stuff that he should be LEGITIMATELY trolled for
This is relatively tame.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't.
I just happen to agree with the first comment in this thread. And I also happen to think that the reciting of empty platitudes about the presumption of innocence is not merely pointless but irritating.
Then why participate?
Craig and NBF are right
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
I mean Craig and Nunya
But NBF was right, too.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
what happens if
NBF and azjazzman dont agree, since neither is ever wrong?
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A: To Dump Garza
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
is that the one with Frank Gorshin and the black-n-white face paint?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 7, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Reality check
The fact that the police have had 4 months to clear Castro and are still investigating does not bode well.
Usually cases like this are investigated in days or weeks.
Ask yourself these questions
Has a warrant for his arrest been issued?
Have charges been filed in court?
Has an extradition request been made?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
last i checked
cases typically allow both parties to have their interview, which Castro has not had as of yet. You are jumping the gun on this
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
This is really really bad.
There are two ways to look at this incident.
First Castro is dumb enough to get drunk with girls he doesn’t know allow himself to be accused of deplorable acts. This shows a complete lack of maturity, bad judgement, and he’s more than likely a scumbag sleeping with a passed out girl.
Second, Castro is a sexual predator who should be locked up asap.
No matter how you cut it Castro looks really really bad.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
There's one other way to look at it.
And that is, wait until we have more facts until you make a judgment.
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by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This comment is shameful Al.
And I’m not sure you want to fall on the side of defending these castros actions right after you blast Z for 3 straight days for being a hot head.
At the very least Castros judgement needs to be questioned for ever letting himself be in a position like this.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shameful?
Waiting for more information to judge someone is shameful? What in the world are you talking about? Al is neither defending OR attacking Castro, which is the right thing to do for now, especially as the person in charge of this site.
by bdlugz on Jan 6, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
How many people accused of sexual assault would you let YOUR daughter hang out with?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Well played. Case closed. Lock him up for 25 years.
Sheesh.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Obviously we don't know all the facts
I just can’t think of anyone off hand that has faced these kinds of accusations that hasn’t been tainted as a bad guy for the rest of their careers.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Just because they're tainted in public opinion or the opinion of the media
Does not make them a bad person.
Would you judge someone accused of murder that was found innocent? The law makes mistakes as well…
I didn't say they couldn't be bad people...
I said it doesn’t exclusively MAKE them a bad person, which is true regardless of the names you throw out.
I'm also saying that even if he does get out of this legally
That doesn’t mean he isn’t a scumbag. At the very least he had sex with a passed out chick.
The lawyers said the allegations would prove baseless. They didn’t say anything about being false or untrue. So they are obviously trying to not antagonize this girl.
Awful lot of smoke for a simple misunderstanding.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Passed out - no
Blacked out – yes
And maybe Castro was blacked out too??
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Sexual Assault does not imply having sex.
Rape does.
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What?
The lawyers said the allegations would prove baseless. They didn’t say anything about being false or untrue. So they are obviously trying to not antagonize this girl.
…I don’t even…
I'm not saying he might not be a jerk
But this certainly doesn’t PROVE he is a jerk.
We have no idea what happened with this girl, you’re making assumptions based on available information.
The lawyers will NEVER antagonize the defendant, what good would that ever do? Proving an allegation baseless is the same as proving it false, it’s simply a synonym.
It’s a lot of smoke because he’s an up and coming star player, and the media runs with anything they can to get them more exposure. We won’t know what happened for a while, most likely.
See, there you go...
Didn’t know he got a haircut.
The only thing shameful is you are willing to
condemn Castro without giving the guy a chance to defend himself.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
What are you talking about?
Z’s actions occurred on camera, or in the public eye when all details were fully available for everyone to evaulate.
At this point, nobody knows the details of this, so it’s best not to speculate either way. Don’t be ignorant.
Wait, what?
It’s shameful to wait until we have more facts?
I don’t usually resort to profanity, but that’s bullshit.
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by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 50 recs
I love Al Yellon profanity.
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by TCobb1911 on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
flagged...
…and rec’d :-)
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Interesting...
Apparently SBN code doesn’t let you flag and rec the same comment. What kind of logical logic is that???
Gonna have to go with a rec then. Save my Al flag for another day…
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by Steven Schweickert on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Will you curse at me too? I am feeling left out
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Auto-rec for getting agitated.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Geez, I get 11 recs for one swear word?
Hmmm.
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I was 12th rec.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
#17 here
Thanks for using adult language with adults. It’s appreciated and makes you feel less like a teacher :)
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Must be Adult Swim time
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
That'd be a pretty short post.
Up to 25 recs now? Wow.
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What is shameful is that you are "waiting for the facts" while clearly Castro made bad decisions regardless of he was guilty of sexual assault.
What also pisses me off is this is much more serious than any thing Z ever did on the field yet you have blasted him for years for being a hot head.
Castro could be 100% innocent of sexual assault but he is immaturity and bad judgement in relation to this matter are inexcusable.
There is no need to “wait for the facts” to make that conclusion.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
I won’t respond any further. Clearly, BCPOD has made up his mind. Me, I’ll wait for more facts.
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So if he is innocent, you will still not let him off the hook?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
oh
wrong triples
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
For the sexual assault but
Either way drinking with strange girls till 3am shows very very bad judgement.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Such picturesque language....
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His judgement needs to be questioned because he acted like a 21 year old?
You do realize that this sort of activity happens every night at bars or night clubs around the world…
Why do singles go out to bars? Sounds like this girl willingly went to his house lat at night after drinking at a bar for one purpose: sexual activity. You don’t go home with a stranger lat at night for any other reason.
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by SackMan on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Scrapbooking
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Lan Party
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
BCB posting
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
I loved Wolfenstein
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Playing the original Doom in my dormroom with the lights off was the scaredest I've ever been while playing a video game.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I think the peak of my fear
was Carmen San Diego
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by TCobb1911 on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh damn... and macrame too. almost forgot.
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I know this happens.
However, supposedly taking advantage of a person is not right. We do not know the deal, however if the word “No” was used, game over, time to pack up and zip up.
Yes every night girls go out to lie about being sexually assaulted.
Stay classy Sackman.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A sexual predator who should be locked up? What?
You’re talking insanity.
A 21 year old guy goes to a bar, stays out late, meets a girl and she agrees to go back to his house. This is pretty normal activity in life.
Sounds like the accuser is digging for money.
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by SackMan on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said there were two options.
If he did rape this girl he should be locked up.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If he robbed a bank he should also be locked up....
and as of right now, we all have about the same amount of real evidence for both the alleged rape and bank robbery.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Could there maybe be more than two?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently he either raped her or he's a scumbag.....
This is getting a little out of control.
Not everbody read the last line of Al's Post
So let’s discuss this matter, but carefully, and don’t assume the worst — not yet, anyway.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
“Sounds like the accuser is digging for money.”
Or she was actually assaulted.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Wait for all the facts when it comes to Castro!
But the is clearly just a money grubbing whore.
You are human garbage!
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Does the fact Castro's lawyers
say they have thoroughly investigated the matter and the accusations and they are confident the allegations are baseless not hold any weight?
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
Ummmmm
The exact same things were said by Bernie Maidoff’s lawyers.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Come on to what?
I asked for information. You made a claim but didn’t back it up with facts.
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Come on Al-leen
oh I swear (and I mean)
in this moment
you mean ERRRRRRRYTHIIIIIIING
Defensive Attorneys 99.99 percent of the time say their client is innocent
That is their job, obviously Castro’s attorneys are not going to say “We think he might have done it”. You do not need a “cite” or “quote” to know this. Its called common sense.
I am not making any comment on the issue, but to answer AussieCub’s question, No, it doesn’t really hold any weight.
You're right it doesn't hold any weight with BrewsCrewsPrinceofDarkness
(who the comment who was made in reference to) who is convinced Castro is either a scumbag or a sexual predator. I was suggesting to him the fact Castro has claimed the allegations are baseless, through his attorneys, should hold some weight towards the possibility that there are other ways of looking at Castro after this. That there is the possibility Castro’s name will be cleared as long as he challenges the accusations.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
and my point is
using a the statement of criminal defense attorney of the accused party isn’t a good way to try to point out that other explanations could exist. They are going to say that the defendant is innocent regardless. So that statement really shouldn’t hold any weight at this point.
Again, not making any comment in regards to the guilt or non-guilt of Castro. It doesn’t look good right now. Obviously the police felt that the evidence is strong enough to investigate. The fact that the are investigating should hold more weight then what his defense attorneys say.
BrewCrewPrinceofDarkness or whatever his name might by acting hyperbolic, but a few posters on this thread are not very far from crossing the line. I would be more concerned with the posts coming from “sackman” which are disgusting frankly.
All we can really do now is wait to see if the state presses charges. An out of court settlement is also a possibility.
You are totally correct that the comments
made about the accused are fair more ridiculous, I find it hard to even reason with people who think like that, so I have chosen to stay away from it.
Working as a police reporter I’m just extremely mindful of the need to see both sides of the story. I understand your cynicism about the statement, but unfortunately it is the only side of the story we have from Castro, and in my eyes it holds some weight being that alone, even if it is open to being dismissed as a rudimentary legal response.
Mostly I am just frustrated at seeing so many athletes accused of these incidents over the years only for the cases to fall over. Of course their reputations remain forever tarnished because people made their minds up the first time they heard the allegations.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
That's a moronic comparison
Madoff’s own sons turned him in. Sons who worked in their father’s firm.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Not really
Like he said a party (Madoff) that was eventually found guilty had attorneys that said he was innocent. A question was asked and he gave a reasonable answer. Any claim made by the defense attorney in regards to his clients guilt has to be viewed as what it is. A paid representative of the individual doing his/her job.
Judge, jury and executioner.....
Looks like you are ready to build the gallows.
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It really is astonishing.
Can the witch float?
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
But you do have a wart.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure, we should try and build a bridge out of her.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Beware
She might get you and your little dog too. Remember the biblical parable- don’t attack witches unless you have a tin man, a scarecrow, and a lion or some acceptable furry substitute.
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
The fact Starlin contests the claims
holds some weight in whether he can be described as something else apart from a “scumbag” or a “sexual predator”. It opens up the possibility that he may prove to be “wrongly accused.”
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
Huh?
I’m not going to rush to judgement, but his contesting a criminal accusation doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
So there isn't even the possibility that the other party is a liar?
That is astonishing. Why bother with a court case?
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
Sorry, not court case,
but why bother to wait to speak to him before pressing ahead with charges?
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
Of course there is the chance
But the accused SAYING he didn’t do it, doesn’t magically make it more likely he was innocent.
No it doesn't, you're right
but it should reinforce that Castro is innocent until proven guilty for people already willing to throw him under the bus.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
That is not what I am saying, put it in context of the original post
The original poster said there are only two ways to look at Starlin Castro after this: that he is either a scumbag or a sexual predator. I was pointing out that that absolutism is nonsense. There is always the possibility that the accusations are baseless, especially when they have indicated they will contest the accusations.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
No, because they are HIS attorneys
When law enforcement says it, it carries weight
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are taking
that I think he is innocent based on what his lawyers said. On the contrary. I am trying to suggest to the original poster not to rush to judgement based on what the accuser has said. That her allegations are untested and are not proven fact.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
I don't assume anyone is guilty or innocent
based on what we have publicly released right now.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
You're wrong
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To me, this is subjective.
Blackout (alcohol-related amnesia)
She did not state she passed out, but rather blacked out. You can still function and appear to be normal while blacked out. To Castro, all parties involved had been drinking may not even notice that she is not recording memories and ‘comes to’ at a later point. My dad would have these sort of things all the time when he drank, he was functioning fully, but wouldn’t recall the beat downs and abuse he would inflict on the family. I’ll state with how this is presented as of now that no wrong doing was done.
I would agree
that there is a big difference between blacking out and passing out. I have been around people who later said they blacked out, and I could tell they were drunk, but would have never guessed they were THAT drunk. And they were certainly conscious and talking. It could be she meant passed out, and said blacked out, we may never know.
And for those saying that Castro showed a lack of maturity by taking a girl home—I just don’t agree with that. Either he is a disgusting human being who sexually assaulted a woman, or the woman he was with was more affected by alcohol than he realized. I don’t think that he shouldn’t be allowed to take a girl home just because he’s a professional athlete.
by tomas21 on Jan 6, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know how that can happen
I “woke up” once walking through some bushes. It was like the recorder turned back on.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
As it stands,
I believe no wrong doing was done. If more damning evidence comes out to say otherwise I’ll be more than happy to change my stance given more facts. But seeing blackouts from alcohol on my father I can see how no wrong doing on Castro’s side was done. I also want to know why there wasn’t a statement either way from the victims friend. She was there after all.
At this point my initial reaction to the information is the same as yours...
I dread having new information come out, but hope that it clears Castro.
The thing is....
….that a person in a blackout doesn’t legally or morally have the ability to consent to sex. Proving this in court and all is a whole can of worms, but that’s the basic principle – a person has to consent, and be able to consent.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
And therein lies the problem...
How is Castro to know, assuming she is awake and seemingly aware, that she was blacked out and unable to consent?
the kid needs to watch more SVU
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
She consented when she took her clothes off.
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Nothing in any of the things I have read indicates that she took her clothes off.
You are making an assumption that might or might not be warranted.
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not to mention if you're so drunk you black out
you really aren’t in control of what you’re doing, making consent much harder to determine
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
And that much harder to prosecute...
…unless there were witnesses.
by wisconsinwillie on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Actually Al, it isn't even remotely warranted
whether she took her clothes off or not. That isn’t consent.
But it’s interesting you take less issue with this moronic comment, than the backlash it drew.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 7, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yup. And I'll do it each and every time someone says something completely idiotic like that.
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No, you won't.
Or you’ll be banned.
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At least now we know what you're a Sack of..
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If you're an honest person with real concern for your partner...
….you ALWAYS err on the side of conservatism in a situation like that. Not that it’s easy, especially when you’re 21 or whatever, but in that situation, it’s imperative that you take responsibility for making sure everything’s copacetic.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
And that's what mature people do, you're correct.
But how many of us were mature enough while drunk at 21 with a woman in our bed to walk through all of those steps?
I agree it’s important, and I understand that as I’ve grown up and started a family, but being close enough to that stage in my life to remember being a complete immature idiot, I can say it’s easy to judge and easy to forget that a lot of us were there at some point.
I agree with you mate
but that doesn’t protect him legally if these allegations prove true.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
The law presumes that an intoxicated person cannot consent...
…but much of the argument will go to credibility.
It's 106 miles to Chicago...
But do the Cubs really want
a drawn out murky trial where no one but him, her, and possibly the friend know what really happened. Imagine the scenarios-
- If he gets convicted, yeah end of Cubs career. One bright spot on the Cubs gone replaced with a bodily fluid stain that makes Cubs fans blush and quickly flip to the next page.
- If he’s not convicted, it can go a few ways. The girl’s case can be too weak or simply too tenuous to take to trial and this ends long before a trial. He gets to play baseball without a cloud over him and it’s all chalked up to ultimately unsubstantiatable allegations. Or if the case seems baseless, it all ends right there unless something like it happens again (in which case it was a smoke signal earlier of a behavior pattern). If it goes to trial and it’s very murky and he gets off. Imagine the kind of cloud that would be surrounding him. It would be like Barry Bonds, only his cloud was of an ethical nature rather than a legal/criminal nature (criminal within the context of baseball’s rules though). Unless this goes away quick, he won’t be looked at the same way again. He’ll become “that” player.
The biggest questions:
- Why did the police sit on it for months if, as articles say, she reported it the next day/that day? Did it really take that long to investigate it?
- His side of the story, of course.
- Why did he or agents on his behalf not try and clear up a potential legal mess sometime while he was back in the Dominican Republic?
- Did they get DNA evidence? If so, it would be most damning and the only defense would be trying to prove consent or “if the sperm does not fit, you must acquit”.
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
they sat for months waiting for Castro to return to the states
to be questioned. That is the lone reason it has been sitting dormant. Both parties get questioned and the police THEN decide if there is reason to issue an arrest warrant for this.
In Illinois, prosecution for criminal sexual assault and aggravated sexual assault may be commenced within ten years of the commission of the offense if the victim reported the offense to law enforcement authorities within two years after the commission of the offense
they did not and still do not need to rush into filing official charges (if deemed necessary) what else is needed to explain why they have not rushed?
don’t mean to seem snarky, if it came off that way sorry but many on here seem to not understand that there is no reason to charge Castro or deem him innocent within minutes of it happening.
and fandom is everything sometimes in jumping to conclusion, look at the Penn State situation, most everyone saying to sit back and wait to get details and let due process take its course were quick to hang those at Penn State (different circumstances, but a rush to judgment nonetheless).
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My dad was blacked out when he would cold-cocked me in the 6th grade.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t doing it. Same can be implied if she was grabbing/massaging his genitals(not saying this happened). If she was doing such things while blacked out, he would see this as a woman doing something that implies “Yes” to him and any other guy.
But if you know she's been drinking heavily....
…you can’t interpret her actions the same way you would the actions of someone who hasn’t been drinking.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Let's not ignore the fact that
Castro had most likely been drinking heavily too, thus further impairing his ability to interpret her actions.
In that case
NEITHER party can properly consent to sex!
Again, as a practical/legal matter this is a mess to prove, but morally that’s the concept.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
it should be that way
but that’s life
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
The use of "most likely".......
makes your comment pure speculation.
What's her friend going to say?
While I was sucking Castro’s C**k, my friend was clearly not in consent of fondling his nuts?
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by SackMan on Jan 6, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
let's not
bring Counselor Troi into this.
Or do we bring in Captain Picard as a mediator?
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
BCBers these days!!!
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Seriously you are human garbage,
And shame on the 5 people who rec’d this.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
… you need to stop the namecalling. Now.
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Nice Al.
Call out an truly offensive comment and you blast me for name calling.
So describing a sexual act here is OK but calling offensive and horrible thinking like that being displayed by Sackman it will not be tolerated.
I just want to make sure these are the rules.
Are they Al?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Regardless of how offensive the comment was
you do not get to call someone “human garbage” here.
Attack the comment, not the commenter.
Now do you get it? Or do I have to explain everything?
Go read the community guidelines on the sidebar, where all of this is spelled out in detail.
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I don't think that was a personal attack rather a statement of fact.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
No, it was a personal attack.
You don’t call a person “human garbage” here. Period. Against site rules.
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You are really fighting the wrong battles on this.
But at least it’s some insight into where you stand on this.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 7, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
You are entirely wrong.
You can express opinions freely here, as long as you don’t call people names.
Go read the community guidelines. You appear to need a refresher course.
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Sorry if the life of wealthy athletes, late night partying, and sex offends you.
Welcome to 2012. Wear a helmet… or in your case, blinders.
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I also want to know why there wasn’t a statement either way from the victims friend. She was there after all.
Isn’t it possible there WAS a statement from the victim’s friend and it wasn’t just made public? Or that the vicim’s friend wasn’t in the room when the assault happened?
This is why instead of taking your approach of taking a side and then saying I need to be convinced otherwise, I’m going to ACTUALLY wait until the case is decided.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing yet at the Chicago Tribune or the Chicago Sun-Times
Or ESPN Chicago
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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
I know it is hard not to make personal judgements, but
I think we should all keep our comments to a minimum on this until we know more as it can easily cross over to being insensitive.
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by katie casey on Jan 6, 2012 9:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A bit of somewhat similar history involving a Chicago ballplayer
First time trying to do a link http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?70955-Jungle-Jim-Rivera-a-Rough-Beginning
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
That's pretty much a day in the life.
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by SackMan on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's made ESPN now.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Theo will fix this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I'm waiting....
…for bluemagic to come on here to tell us how this will further devalue the price of season tickets.
by shoebox76 on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for opening that can of worms...
As if there weren’t enough cans on this post already.
Let's just hope...
ESPN doesn’t make a circus out of this and brand him “guilty” before anything is even investigated further.
he doesn't have the shield of being kobe bryant
so fat chance
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM CST reply actions 14 recs
ahhh, shiny water
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
too soon
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BAD!
But I laughed….
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by CaughtInTheVines on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Cubs statement on this matter
“We are aware that a police report was filed regarding an incident involving Starlin, but we have received limited information. While this is something we take very seriously, there is not enough information to make any further comment or take action at this time. We are hopeful when the facts are brought to light, Starlin will be cleared of any wrongdoing.”
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by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Or, in short...
“We’ve heard about it. We know nothing else”.
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
In other athlete-alcohol news
Cabrera takes plea deal in Fla. DUI case
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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
It isn't speculation that he is involved in a sexual assault investigation.
I don’t see Al jumping to conclusions either way – he is simply providing the information is available to discuss here. I don’t see an issue with this.
This is a blog - that happens on every post of every topic.
The people on BCB seem to live to debate and argue and speculate. You can’t stop what other people are going to do… there was already a fanshot on this, I assume Al made it a front page topic to make it easier for him to monitor and to make sure the information was updated in an accurate and timely manner.
You do realize I was being tongue-in-cheek with my original post on this...
We’re producing content.
If it makes you feel better, I got it.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
bdlugz is correct.
I am personally refraining from speculation. But it is a news story involving a prominent member of the Cubs. It did, after more info came out, deserve a front page post.
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he also has not been in the states since, i am sure that plays into it somewhat
but i am surprised that it was kept under wraps this long, also surprised it was out before Castro himself was interviewed by police
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
These investigations take time
And when they’re so public, they don’t want to risk jumping the gun or messing anything up.
Timing of it sounds like his last night in Chicago at the end of the baseball season.
He went out, hoping to have a good time and get lucky before leaving Chicago for the offseason.
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I'm waiting for these pieces of information
1. When was the initial police report filed?
2. When was Castro or his agent contacted?
3. When did Castro hire attorneys?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
With Zambrano gone I'm not really sure what dtpollitt n SWL are going to be discussing this season.
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Jell-O
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I really hope this isn't true.
Hopefully they can turn him around before he goes the Ben Roethlisberger route.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 10:25 AM CST reply actions
Wait, which route are you talking about?
The 2 World Championships or the 2 sexual assault allegations?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
The 2 assault allegations.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
does this mean he is a bad clubhouse character now and we need to trade/dump him?
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A: To Dump Garza
I'm not even sure what to say...
…besides that this story has effectively ruined my morning and probably my whole day. And that doesn’t mean I’m rushing to judgment either way — we, the general public, know very little about what actually happened that night. I just wish this wasn’t happening.
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and then go to a bar and pick up women!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Or just wait till they fall asleep
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
this is an awful attempt at humor...
i could go on to say something about your profile picture but, i will refrain.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly my sentiments daver....totally sucks, says alot about the role models in the club house :(
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Agree completely
This kind of stuff, whether unfounded or not, tends to cast very long shadows. Consider me pre-season buzz officially harshed.
by bluekoolaide on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I wouldn't get carried away...
…trying to draw conclusions about the clubhouse from this. The incident happened far, far away from the clubhouse.
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It actually says NOTHING about the role models in the clubhouse
since, as far as anyone knows, none of them have been accused of sexual assault
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Whatever the truth is, the Cubs need to take this as a wake-up call
Assuming that they don’t do this already, organizations need to start doing a better job of preparing young kids for the pressures, temptations, etc., of suddenly being wealthy, high profile athletes in a big city.
I am pretty
sure all pro teams across the board prepare as best they can. But honestly, there will always be a few that even though they had been prepared, will give in to the temptations the money and all that goes with being a pro player will bring.
I feel very confident saying that...
there probably is was very little preparation for the young people of the clubhouse or any significant amount of discipline required from the Cubs team…..
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I do...it's their responsibility to a certain extent....when they start signing these young guys.
as a mother, I would fully expect a reasonable amount of positive direction and discipline given to my son. I for one thought Castro rooming with an older guy was a mistake. He should have been with someone closer to his own age (less experienced) and the younger people should be treated differently from the veterans!
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
As someone who is older with a family...
Is there a reason that Castro rooming with Soriano was a concern? I would think that having someone older who had been in the same position as Castro and learned from his mistakes might offer some valuable lessons to a 21 year old new star.
What concerns would come from it (serious question, I obviously don’t think like a mother).
To answer your question in one word...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
So this all
happened at Soriano’s place?? So maybe we know what the other girl was doing? (rimshot) Or was Soriano in a faceplant slumber while Castro returned home and potentially did acts of a criminal nature in his place?
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think that the younger people should and need to be treated differently...
they are still developing character, learning responsibilities, and some are learning to live in a new country. If the young people are grouped together, they could have more of a college like experience…..in a controlled environment. They could attend meetings together to help them understand what being a ML ballplayer will be all about, like stated below.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
they could have more of a college like experience
Did you go to college? Because bringing a girl home at 3AM would have been epic win when I was there. Assaulting her is a totally different matter, but I don’t understand your assertions that making this more of a college dorm atmosphere would have HELPED the situation.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
no I didn't go to college, blue collar worker here...
I don’t think having a 21st birthday makes you a man….tho I’m not a man either. There has been plenty of evidence that the clubhouse has seen its share of immaturity the past few years. I feel something can be done to rectify that somewhat. I also think the new FO will end up agreeing, and things will be very different. If I’m wrong and nothing changes, than this is just another part of MLB that I don’t understand.
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
So what birthday DOES make you a man?
Will you stop advocating a chaperon when he’s 31? 41?
I realize that I’m coming off as badgering you, but the “that adult needed to be protected from himself” argument gets my dander up.
Whether or not there has been “immaturity” in the clubhouse, there has never been any inkling of a sexual assault charge. I’d take issue with the assertion that only immature people commit or get accused of sexual assault.
I’d also take issue with the assertion that bringing a woman home to have sexual relations with is a sign of immaturity. Plenty of mature adults do the exact same thing.
I’ll also take issue with your insinuation that blue collar workers and college are mutually exclusive.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
oh jeez....I don't see anything I'm trying to communicate here in your comment...
why did you put “that adult needed to be protected from himself” in quotes? I never said that or meant that. I never linked committing sexual assault with just being immature, and I never said blue collar workers and college are mutually exclusive. ..You know when you don’t agree with someone, you seem to play this game of who’s the better arguer. You’re the best Nunya, havent seen better, truly. I know it would be futile for me to continue this. I’ve said what I have to say and so did you.
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a parent, and I'm sorry but this entire comment is nonsense
It is not the Cubs’ responsibility to monitor the actions of a 21 year old man.
I’m not entirely sure why Starlin rooming with someone his own age would have stopped this from happening either.
Castro is a grown ass man, treating him differently from guys who are 30 is just….odd.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
From a guy who lived with 6 other guys in college for 4 years...
I agree completely.
I am supposed to be taking my daughter back to school this weekend.
You guys are scaring me. I think I may have to lock her up in a tower instead.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
To be fair, we made a lot of dumb decisions but nothing that was EVER disrespectful to women.
And anyone that’s a decent person should be able to say that.
Anyone who is a LIAR should be able to say that.
You’re really telling me that six 21 year olds were living together and none of you ever went so far as to be DISRESPECTFUL to a woman?
Hell, I’ll admit I did some things as a 21 year old I’m absolutely not proud of, and could certainly be deemed disrespectful. Did I come anywhere NEAR assaulting them? OH HELL NO. But me thinks, you did at least one thing that was disrespectful.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
is this really necessary?
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
this is.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Cubbiegoon got jazzed!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I guess that depends on what you're considering disrespectful...?
In this sense I mean it as, “nothing I wouldn’t tell my wife that I did”
BCB: Scaring people since 2005
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if
your blood that’s bleeding out of you is Cubbie blue, that should be frightening. Unless you’re some kind of alien.
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
might not be a bad idea with some of the responses i've seen posted here.
plus how immature people from my generation act. yeah, i had my fair share of fun burning mattresses, getting into fights, and destroying shit in general…
sexually assaulting girls never crossed my mind. a lot of these younger kids respect people like i respect old couches.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
That's kind of what I was thinking.
If anything the Cubs were 100% right to put Starlin with a player who WASN’T his age.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if MLB prepares rookies the same way the NFL does
The NFL holds a Rookie Symposium to educate players about life as a professional athlete.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
If they don't, it's not a bad idea.
They should also go through some simply finance courses, etc to prepare them for a life where retirement could be a day away.
I think finances are part of the Rookie Symposium
The NFLPA has registered financial advisors because players were getting ripped off.
Obviously this is easier for the NFL – get all the rookies together before training camps open. While MLB draft picks start their pro careers on uncoordinated dates.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying...
that the Cubs don’t have a responsibility to educate players. I took issue with the person who said that the Cubs needed to do MORE. No one knows how much they do, so it’s not fair to suggest that they don’t do enough.
by kanderber on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
--
According to the police report, the alleged victim said she blacked out.
She told police she came to, and found the alleged offender – Castro, according to our sources – sexually assaulting her.
So he was assaulting her when she woke up?? In the morning??
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morning wood
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
batting practice
Better hope it was ash not maple. When maple goes wrong, it can look painful. Ask what’s-his-name (Colvin?) who got the vampire treatment.
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
The report states...
They left the bar around 3 AM and she left the apartment around 5:30 AM.
So she allegedly “blacked out” within that 2 1/2 hour time frame unless she was blacked out when they left the bar.
by wisconsinwillie on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Oh - gotcha
My blackouts last much longer
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Derek Jeter should offer a rookie seminar on how to handle the ladies
by JG23 on Jan 6, 2012 10:40 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Or Patrick Kane...
…his late night exploits around Wrigleyville are semi-legendary but, so far, no sexual assault accusations (thank god and knock wood).
by bluekoolaide on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yep which, while embarrassing, weren't really a big deal
And the Hawks and Kane’s people got a handle on it pretty quickly-so far no more incidents (knock wood again).
by bluekoolaide on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
he accepted his oops, and has not done so since
but cab drivers and Kane…….
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
Soriano
will probably get traded today and BCB will explode
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Let's fix that
Soriano Castro will probably get traded today and BCB will explode
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Great timing for this article
“The Obama administration on Friday broadened the definition of the crime of rape to include more forms of sexual assaults …..
The new definition will include… …assaults in which a victim cannot give consent because the individual has been incapacitated by drugs or alcohol… the Justice Department said.
source: msnbc
does it revert to the date of the action, or the date of the cahrges being filed
if they are filed
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
it doesn't apply here
just for those wondering if consent given during a blackout saves you, from today on
as far as I know it doesnt apply here
I don’t know law
ex post facto
… Maybe. Does ex post facto apply to the date of an alleged criminal act or to the date the person is charged or to the date the trial starts?
Any lawyers here or Expos fans knowledgable in all things that include their team’s name? (more sacre bleu than cubbie blue?)
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Applies back to the date of the act
People have to have knowledge that what they did was wrong so they could avoid doing it.
And ex post facto generally only applies if it changes the possible punishmen (or makes something criminal that wasn’t).
Those are the extreme basics of it.
I'm not sure how the president can even do this.
Since it’s not legislation. And such crimes are state crimes. Not sure how it’d be a federal crime, especially here.
And ex post facto….
Couldn't it be a federal crime on federal property?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
The DOJ makes a definition. State’s can apply it to their laws if they choose in the future.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Al, just a suggestion
maybe threads like this should be locked before there’s any concrete information out there. That would prevent some of the dearth of idiotic comments above. I also don’t think I wanted to know how some people on here view sexual assault or what have you.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No, I think people should be free to comment
It will tell you who’s opinion you should value in the future or not.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
I can figure that out from any other thread. I could really do without seeing a lot of the gross and stupid comments from above.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
If he locks this thread, it will be discussed elsewhere.
If the discussion bothers you, I’d just suggest reading Al’s updates and ignoring the comment section. That’s what I do with certain posts.
See below
And I’m a part of this community. I don’t think anyone, such as yourself, without any actual knowledge on this subject should be throwing their opinion around. It’s really gross.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
My opinion is that I think we need to wait for more information to come to any kind of conclusion...
I apologize if you think that’s “really gross.”
Your opinion doesn't matter for shit
especially when you say ignorant things like
How is Castro to know, assuming she is awake and seemingly aware, that she was blacked out and unable to consent?
So yeah, “lets wait for more info before we come to a conclusion, but in the meanwhile, here’s some garbage I’m going to spew out for y’all to read”
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, settle down... it's a serious question that makes it difficult to prove anything with the case, but feel free to take it totally out of context
And don’t bother with ALL my other comments here. You need to walk away from this thread.
Clearly I'm the one that should walk away
Please, bdlugz, stay and keep giving us more opinionz4u
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Alright, I'm done responding to you.
Have a good day.
I agree.
And this doesn’t seem like something to joke about. Personally, I’d like to see comments closed.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
And yes, I know I could stop reading
but I am watching for new info to come out on this.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
You can probably trust Al to quickly update any new information in the main article...
Comments probably aren’t necessary to read for that. Also, I wouldn’t expect new information on this for quite some time.
Well Al put the Cubs statement in the comments
and sometimes other people put links to new stories so that’s what I’m checking for. I’ll just try to z past the stuff I disturbing.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
I'm probably being hypersensitive.
I just don’t think we know enough (and may never know enough) to be making any assumptions about this yet.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
Not hypersensitive at all, IMO
It’s a touchy subject, and that’s pretty obvious from some comments here.
It's a touchy subject
so go about posting inflammatory opinions?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure whether comments should be closed...
…though if a few more cubssouvenirmen show up, maybe they should be. I will say that this isn’t something I can joke about either. It’s just an awful, awful development.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
It woulda been brought up in ANY thread...
…we can always ship him down to Ozzie in Miami, I guess.
Happy New Year to all BCBers...be safe.
that would only lead to a bunch of fan shots
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
That's fine
But considering if you go this site for the headlines by Al, and then you look at the comments to Al’s post, it doesn’t reflect all that well on this community. Remember, not everyone reads the fanshots.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Given that there's zero information at this point
…the story works like a Rorschach test for grossness.
by Wreckard on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly.
One I think we could do without.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Really now.
I simply posted the information that’s been made public and drew no conclusions.
That’s more than “zero” information.
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Yes really
We have a 3rd-hand account of one side of the story. There’s not enough information to make any judgement or assumptions at all.
But that’s not stopping some clearly very gross people telling us how it’s probably the girl’s fault, and she’s probably lying and just after money.
And you're blaming me for that?
Sorry, no. I was not going to ignore this story. I agree with you that there’s not much information.
But what information there is, I’m going to post it.
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Believe it or not Al not everything I post here is an attack on you.
Calmate.
My problem isn’t with you it’s with the people whose immediately reaction is to slut-shame the victim.
by Wreckard on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the ONE poster who did that?
cubssouvenirman? The guy with 52 whole comments on BCB? Yeah, it’s out of control the way BCB is demonizing the victim the accuser.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I was just looking for the comments that explicitly called the accuser a "slut"
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
OK, but that's what I actaully did.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the problem is with the story so much as the speculation, accusations, excuses, justificiations, etc., that followed
Which is why the suggestion was to put forward the information, but keep comments closed until something more is known. Until then, most of what we see is just “she asked for it” versus “he’s clearly a predator”, with an occasional SWL gif thrown in between.
by Orval Overall on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
IF comments were locked then Al Wouldn't get nearly the same amount of page clicks.
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No
ahem, NO. That looks too much like trying to suppress the story (like back when I was at college when the band intercepted all the school papers right after delivery and tossed them in dumpsters to keep everyone from learning about a scandal involving them). It’s in the news, it’s fair game. Al set the right tone at the start by asking people to try and keep the speculation to a minimum (at least to his guilt, I’d say speculating about how this or a potential criminal case might affect the Cubs and their season is fair game).
by ddoubleheader on Jan 6, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
without knowing any facts
my guess is that this goes away with an out of court settlement
by plenz on Jan 6, 2012 11:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
just another episode of the baseball gods ensuring the cubs don't have shiny things
word is jedstein have taken blows to the head, have stepped down from their positions and will now pursue careers as rodeo clowns. meanwhile, garza has shaved off his goatee which gave him his pitching prowess
Just wee-un.
Whatever the outcome...
…Castro’s leash has just gotten quite a bit shorter. He’d better be made aware that any inkling of improprieties from this point on will put his career in jeopardy.
A good place to start might be to refrain from picking up women in bars at 3 a.m.
Well he could have picked them up at 10 pm and the left the bar it 3 for all we know.
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Ugh....
I heard this from a guy at the bar a few months ago and hoped he was just full of crap, although he did tell me the girl was only 14 so sounds like that was at least false.
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Um
… how is a 14-year-old in a bar?
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14 year olds dont look like 14 year olds anymore
At least not like they did when I was 14, 9 short years ago. If she has a good fake and looks old enough, welcome aboard.
by JOVE23 on Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Most bars are a lot more careful about fake IDs these days
… what with crackdowns on all that.
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I don't ever leave the house
so I will take your word for it.
So why comment on it then?
This is the exact reason why allowing comments on this is so dumb. You have too many people saying too many things that they know nothing about. Wreckard’s comment from above is 100% correct. It’s a shame that Al decided to focus on the information at hand aspect of that comment, and not the larger issue in here itself.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
"Thanks"
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yea
This fellow told me of a rape, but mentioned nothing about a bar at that point. Therefore I am discounting the age thing now after hearing these new details, though girls aren’t exactly dressing their age these days so you never know. The whole thing just makes me sick, can’t catch a break anymore.
I bet Theo is bald within 5 years, any takers???
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I'm confused.
You said this guy was “at the bar” but are also saying he “mentioned nothing about a bar.” Does he know the girl involved?
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So...
I met this guy at a bar in the suburbs, completely unrelated to the bar whereCastro was at. This dude claimed hehad a friend with good contacts, apparently that was true.
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OK, thanks for clarifying.
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In Ireland kids can be in the bar
until 9pm. Not uncommon to see 3 generations of a family in the same pub.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Ireland has the best soda/pop
Their orange soda is amazing.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I gotta get back there
Thanks for distracting me with nicer thoughts.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
My wife went to Trinity for a year
and lived there for nearly a year before I met her. I have been a handful of times. Went every year for about 4 years when tickets were about $600 each. Our friend over there was getting married and tickets doubled – so I couldn’t go this year. Well I could but couldnt justify the cost.
We stay at a friends in Ballygarrett County Wexford. I love it there.
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I was there during Hoof & mouth disease
And St Patrick’s day was cancelled. So we were in Dublin when they held it in May. Awesome.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
GOLDDIGGER
Millionaire rookie ballplayer who has woman falling all over him, and has no problem finding female sex partners, meets a slut in bar. Slut goes back to the ballplayers crib with him where several hours later, during the middle of a consensual sex act, she turns a bounce in the hay into a shakedown. “Methinks I smell a rat” The only thing Castro is guilty of is poor judgement of sex partners.
by cubssouvenirman on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM CST reply actions
technically he's an 800k-aire
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
its the name that has star power in this one
right Jesus
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A: To Dump Garza
he's a starlin bed
rimshot
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
This guy
Yet another needless, ridiculous comment.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Let's withhold judgement on the woman
until more facts come in.
This is why women are reluctant to report sexual assaults.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 6, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Thanks Josh
This is well said.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
We should withhold judgment
on the woman AND on Castro…….it goes both ways.
by jballgame on Jan 7, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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Ed Genson
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Castro should put himself in a better situation
with a security camera in his bedroom. Shady? Yes, but certainly would stop any baseless accusations
then he could youtube it
ok i joke, but i remember reading an artile about a guy who had rape charges filed against him a while back (not a star, jsut an average joe) and he showed the court the video he taped of the sexual acts with his cell phone (unknown to the girl) which proved she falsified all the reports.
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
i'm not sure if that's more genius or more creepy
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think that's creepy
but useful in that case. Maybe she had a habit of falsifying stuff?
either way his perving nature
saved his ass in court
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
best idea yet!
he could then tack on another 10 years for video tapping the assault.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
if it was not assault as alleged
the video would not be illegal, unless she was under age
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
so i can video tape girls against their will for legal immunity?
duly noted.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 7, 2012 6:05 AM CST up reply actions
you are doing a great job of saying what i DID NOT say
congrats. Where did I say that the lady said no to it? And I was actually using an example of a true event where it happened.
I never said I was for it, or agreed with it, just was giving an example of it happening. IT was meant as an example of a guy being accused and the allegations being well beyond false.
here is one example i found on the internet about it, but i heard about a case more recent than that
Typically if you wnat to respond, it helps to respond with what i am saying,not with what i didnt say and state it as if i did say so.
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
and FWIW
here is a blog about false rape and it discusses many times where a camera was used to prove innocence
and against their will as you say, that implies she was asked about being taped, if she isnt asked i dont know how that is against her will, and again i am not saying i am pro or con doing so
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A: To Dump Garza
Things like this are the reason for investigations.
I hope it’s not true, of course.
In the meantime, let’s let the forensic folks and the rest of law enforcement do their work.
If there’s evidence, there will be charges. If not, there will probably be a civil suit.
I like facts, I like speculation and hearsay rather less.
in other news regarding cubs shortstops who aren't that smart
ONEDEC is close to signing with the mets
Just wee-un.
Where's Ryan Theriot these days?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Mets had talked to him, too.
But he’s still not signed. He might not be.
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weight lifting with Jeff Fassero??
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hmmm. A couple ladies partying at a club till 3am
.. then head to a rich athlete’s place at 3 in the morning and they dont think sex is on the agenda. Paleeeeeze. I doubt he took them there at 3am to show them his new dishwasher.
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Why do some of you so badly want to demonstrate how idiotic you are?
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
that's not really the point
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just looking at the situation
… and i guarantee the police will ask the same thing i did…Why were you going to his place at 3am?? Its a legitimate question isnt it?
that's not really the point
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
No. It's really not.
Not when you’re conducting a criminal investigation. Unless of course you also believe a prostitute can’t be raped.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
sure it is
… alcohol clouds judgement and that will be taken into account. She says she blacked out so maybe she was acting alot differently when she was drunk. A defense attorney will question the 3am thing guaranteed.
Do you know what date rape is?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
It's not a fucking comment on what may or may not have happened
I’m asking you a question if you know what date rape is because apparently, judging by your comments, you don’t.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Of course a defense attorney will question it. The police shouldn't
Do you not understand the difference?
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Simply put, you're getting uncomfortably close to implying...
…that she was “asking for it”. She might not have shown good judgement but that has NOTHING to do with whether or not she was sexually assaulted.
And another comment
Come on, Al. Either this type of stupidity earns a time out, or lock the comments. This is beyond gross at this point.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
delete them and move on
no need to stop actual discussion
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Or that
Jesus, do ANYTHING though
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
What you have to understand Craig, is that Al WANTS comments
even if they are THOSE type of comments because then they rope you and me and others into a response and then Al gets hits.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Then maybe I'll shoot an email to SBN
I’m sure they won’t care, but whatever.
This will just be the sleaze thread where everyone can show their creep tendencies without repercussion. No one knows if Starlin did something inherently wrong, if he was just dumb and made a bad choice, if the accuser is telling the truth or lying, etc, but feel free to just comment as you (not YOU) please and make as many assumptions as possible.
There is a reason that situations like this on other outlets have comments locked because no one needs the creepfest.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
The funny thing is, Al didn't want to put this on the front page
Not initially. I think you are misjudging his motives.
Here’s the last line of this post again
So let’s discuss this matter, but carefully, and don’t assume the worst — not yet, anyway.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
You can never trust simple minded people
to discuss a matter as heavy as this. Some of us can, but as we’re seeing, the vast majority can’t.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
What - the vast majority can't?
That’s nearly NBFish in it’s heavy-heandedness.
Didn’t several people just call out chitown for that comment? As they have others?
I'm not about to rattle off a list of rational or logical thinkers on here
but if it’s the majority, which I hope it is, then I’m wrong. I should instead say that there’s just too many people airing their opinions on this matter that simply don’t need to be aired.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
It's almost like a real internet message board!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, silly me for thinking BCB would be any different.
I guess thinking about Al’s big rule, which he doesn’t hesitate to throw out there, doesn’t apply here.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
If Al didn't want this on the front page, it wouldn't be on the front page
and yes, I saw the disclaimer. He’s made plenty of those kinds of disclaimers before. They’ve never worked. If I can recognize that, surely someone who runs the site should be able to.
So it's my responsibility
… for your comments? I don’t see that.
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Nunya isn't the only one posting here
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
You would know that
if you decided to stop focusing on Nunya or how many recs your “bullshit” comment got.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
No, I would just like Al to actually give a crap
Like a lot of stuff though, senorgato for example, it goes on for entirely too long before anything is done. I should stop thinking anything will be done here.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
Al, can you get Craig to can it for 5 minutes?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, how dare I think
that maybe we shouldn’t discuss something so heavy here
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Also...
Didn’t you even rec Al’s “bullshit” comment and make a silly comment?
I can understand Al’s hesitation to close the comments or ban anybody. He’s hands off for fear of stifling discussion
I did and I thanked him for using adult language
I didn’t expect him to then selectively ignore criticisms about the comments here, while choosing to instead reflect on saying “bullshit”.
As for your previous comment, “your” wasn’t generalized to all of us, it was directed specifically at Al.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Then I'm confused because you replied to me directly
So either you think me saying “your ‘bullshit’ comment” refers to all of us, when it is referring to Al’s comment from above where uttered the word “bullshit”
or
You were saying that in response to Al, but even then, I think he was referring to Nunya’s comments specifically.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I replied to you
Because you commented about Al’s focusing on Nunya in regards to Al’s “It’s my responsibility for your comments.” Which appears to be a generalized “your” in regards to all of us.
Ah, ok
I still think he was meaning Nunya’s comments specifically since he made mention of Nunya’s statements once already.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Since you asked
Yes, it absolutely is. And on occasion you even agree, since you ban people, or warn people for their comments
You don’t get to put this post on the front goddamn page, then proclaim “I didn’t do this for the hits!!!!”
You don’t get to put it on the front page and then swear up and down that you didn’t expect this, and CERTAINLY didn’t wan’t it!
You don’t get to completely ignore some truly disgusting comments, while claiming those things either, when you have the power to stop it.
I didn't do it for the hits.
If you believe that, again, you are sadly mistaken.
I asked people to be reasonable. I’d think responsible adults — and the vast majority of commenters here are adults — could do that.
I hate playing hall monitor, and I don’t think I should have to.
This is news. What, you wanted me to ignore a huge story involving a Cubs player? Sorry, not going to do that.
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What, you wanted me to ignore a huge story involving a Cubs player?
No I wanted you to be honest as to why you posted it. You also could have closed comments long ago. But instead you complain AGAIN about comments you could have seen coming a mile away.
I'm simply not going to close comments
…. on a huge story involving a Cubs player.
I guess I put too much faith in people being reasonable. That’s all I’m guilty of.
If you think I posted it for “hits”, you are 100% mistaken. That does not enter my mind when I write. Ever.
Believe what you want, but those are the facts.
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I have never done that
nor will I ever.
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You have closed comments before.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Interestingly enough, MLBTR did choose to ignore it
Haven’t seen one entry about Castro over there today. I realize this is an off-the-field story, but IIRC, there were entries about Braun when he tested positive.
I’m sure Tim doesn’t live in a vacuum, so he’s obviously aware of this story, but I guess he decided that this was not something that MLBTR should cover.
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They deal mostly with transactions, not things of this nature.
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Understood
but they also covered Braun’s testing positive story, which isn’t exactly a thing of this nature, but it’s not a trade/transaction either.
Just thought it was interesting.
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C'mon man
Now’s not the time to be stirring.
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It's about what I've come to expect from him.
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I'm all about meeting and even exceeding expectations.
Seriously though, lighten up. Nunya is sitting here straight calling you a liar, I make a joke about it based on the whole “I’m such a huge troll” thing we’ve got going on, and you and probably the rest of the BCB Al Yellon rescue brigade is gonna pounce. You expect things from me, I expect the same things from you- Such as your response here.
by South Side Expat on Jan 6, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
OK, let's call a truce.
You did defend me below and I appreciate that.
I’m not fond of trolling, but at least you admitted you do it for laughs.
I can think of better ways to get laughs, though.
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/squirts Al with a seltzer bottle, leaves this thread.
by South Side Expat on Jan 6, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man, those guys played at my brother-in-law's bachelor party...they were loud.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing says rockstar cool
like leopard print.
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i won't miss him.
skeletons don't like closets.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Are you out of you rmind?
You think I did this for hits? You’re nuts.
I posted this because it is a Cubs related news story. I am not responsible for dumb comments, including yours.
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by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Looking at some of the more questionable comments here
do you honestly think there needed to be comments open for this story, which is on the main page? Personally, I know I wouldn’t want someone coming to BCB for the first time and reading your write up, then seeing some of the dumber comments on here, and then seeing:
I am not responsible for dumb comments, including yours.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
A cubs related news story, that had already been covered in a fanshot
and one where you could have, in fact still could close the comments.
Yeah, I’m gonna stick by my assertion.
Probably the best reason to close this thread
is for the number of attacks on All himself. That’s typically the reason a thread is closed – posters attacking one another, instead of discussing the topic.
I’m sure this is not a topic that All wants to discuss here on BCB, lots of hits or not.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
So why did he say "lets discuss this matter"?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Because he saw more news about
But I don’t think this was his choice of topic for the morning.
You think Al should have contained this and that’s your right. But you don’t need to attack him and others in the process.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
How am I attacking Al?
How am I attacking anyone?
Again, Al didn’t choose for this event to happen, but he chose to put this on the front page, he chose to leave comments open, and he chose to encourage people to discuss the topic. Are you not seeing this?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you started out attacking him
But as the debate over if this thread should be open, yor messages have become more heated and have called Al’s character into question.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm going to go read about Anthony Rizzo now
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by RiskyBusiness on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You do realize this is the internet, right?
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!
Even if Starlin is proven innocent...
…this short of stigma is tough to get rid of. Just ask the Duke Lacrosse players…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
You're not wrong there.
Though there’s a weird disconnect between what college kids do, and what pro athletes do, especially when it comes to this.
Big Ben is a perfect example. Dude got engaged and all of sudden his sexual assault accusations were largely forgotten.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I'm enjoying how so many of us are piling on Starlin for doing something stupid without much backlash...
but when the accuser’s choices and motives are questioned it’s suddenly all STOP, BECAUSE FUCK YOU!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
i've become so cynical either outcome wouldn't surprise
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Me neither....
Although I will say I’m somewhat surprised that so many people feel compelled to so quickly comment publicly on their opinions regarding this matter.
You know Al, it’s okay to post some news and just keep it closed to comments from time to time. As if no one could see the steaming pile that this post was going to turn into.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
The subject woulda just been brought up in another thread...
…can’t “lock-down” the whole BCB site.
Happy New Year to all BCBers...be safe.
If you say so...
So, instead I get treated to a post so nutty it’s got Al going into profanity-laced diatribes. Good times.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't matter, though
Again, it’s an issue of people going to read the actual author of the site’s opinions on something, or see their take on newsworthy items, etc. Not everyone looks at Fanshots. Fanshots aren’t even included on the mobile app, as you have to go the mobile or full website to see those.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
while we're on the subject of male sex organs
wood is close to re-signing
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Why ruin a perfectly good, clean thread with such filthy talk?
Happy New Year to all BCBers...be safe.
You forgot to spell his name incorrectly.
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Well, I've been defending Starlin just as much as I have the woman.
Also, it could have something to do with the veracity of the piling on. Starlin has been called “immature”, the girl has been called a slut who was asking for it, or a gold digging whore.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Bingo
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we should make assumptions either way.
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by katie casey on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Bingo Part 2
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Amazing.......
how difficult a concept that is for people here……
If you see those things as the same you're a pretty broken person
I don’t see anyone in the thread calling Castro a rapist, but I see a lot of people questioning his judgment. If you think that’s the same thing as slut-shaming the victim then wow.
Do you question the accuser's judgement?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. But shes not the future face the cubs and being accused of sexual assault.
And you comment comes very close to blaming the victim. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for women to come forward from these issues?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
We don't know who the victim is yet....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not questioning anyone's judgment other than yours right now
There’s barely any information so there’s I’m personally not assuming anything at this point.
But unlike you I’m not comparing those people who feel Castro may have used poor judgment (regardless of what happened) to the people who are outright blaming the victim and accusing her of being a money-grubbing whore. That’s you that’s doing that.
I feel bad that you feel that that's what I was doing.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
But....that's exactly what you're doing....?
I’m enjoying how so many of us are piling on Starlin for doing something stupid without much backlash… but when the accuser’s choices and motives are questioned it’s suddenly all STOP, BECAUSE FUCK YOU!!!!!!
You are comparing those people who feel Castro may have used poor judgment (regardless of what happened) to the people who are outright blaming the victim.
::Makes MDBNIU Face::
Reading is fundamental…
“but when the accuser’s choices and motives are questioned” ≠ “outright blaming the victim”
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for at least providing a subject line.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
I always do
Don’t wanna get yelled at by Sue!!
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Oh clearly I misunderstood or missed what you were referring to then.
So why don’t you cite an example in this thread where this is occurring according to your narrative here:
when the accuser’s choices and motives are questioned it’s suddenly all STOP, BECAUSE FUCK YOU!!!!!!
Show me where people are calmly and logically questioning the judgment of the accuser in a way that doesn’t imply this is her fault and people are freaking out as illustrated above.
The places where that dogpiling’s happening here – with Sackman, chit0wn, and cubssouvenirman – does not fit that profile.
Ok, so looking at the whole exchange...
what Sackman and chit0wn ended up saying after their initial posts did end up crossing over into questionable territory. Perhaps my statement is a bit too strong, and I’ll apologize for giving you the impression that I think it’s OK to smear women who make sexual assault accusations. However, the general tone I sense in this tread is still that it’s OK to bust Castro’s nuts without any evidence and the accuser is off limits.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Busting the accuser's nuts is often why these things don't get reported.
They’re fearful of the backlash. I get what you’re saying, but sadly, this is just the way things are.
DUMP GARZA
But....the accuser doesn't have nuts....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Now that's pure speculation.
DUMP GARZA
by shoemile on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it must be boring as
balls to you guys now but I absolutely love that thing as a tourist.
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not boring at all
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My 2 cents
In general, cases like these aren’t the two extremes: 1) The victim is a “golddigger” trying to take advantage of a young immature star or 2) Starlin had intentions to take advantage of a young woman because he is a sexual deviant/can’t control himself/no respect for women/etc.
Instead, most of the cases are somewhere in the middle. Both make a bad decision, things go further than they should have, someone was uncomfortable.
Both the victim and the accused are going to be changed forever for the bad, and while its the public’s right to make judgments, its not the states’. Luckily for Starlin, he has the capital to ensure his rights will be protected.
From a baseball stand point, MLB has earned a reputation to not suspend players, even after they are convicted of some pretty awful stuff. So there’s that.
apologies if already posted
but September? we are in January?
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by RIP Slim on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM CST via Android app reply actions
invesigations take time
this isn’t SVU
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
yeah they do but 4 months before it broke ?
big Ben roethlisbergers broke in less than 30..
by RIP Slim on Jan 6, 2012 1:02 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
not every case is the same
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
You understand she didn't JUST report this.
The REPORT just became public. She reported the same day. But keep on not knowing what the hell you’re talking about.
I am aware of this as the article
says that but 4 months later? my guess it holds no traction. ESPN is sure not running with it.
by RIP Slim on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
To me
timing implies that they’re waiting on forensics. If they all have his her word, not much to go off of, probably never make it public. I’m sure the other witness has been interviewed as well.
see comment/link above
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by RIP Slim on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
September 29th?
how did this take so long to come out? And this was a day after being in San Diego for the last game.
These are say chicago media that broke the Theo coming to Chicago story in like 1 min
And this seems bigger.
police officers and lawyers =/= guy in a starbucks
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
it obviously didn't
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well i'm just saying it's suspicious
Rumors seem to spread quickly in chicago media
Was listening to AM 670 this morning...
And a couple of them were saying that they heard rumors about this starting several months ago, but didn’t report on it because they didn’t have any facts. Discussion was that there still aren’t any facts other then a police report was filed and an investigation is ongoing.
by wisconsinwillie on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
This rumor has been floating around for months
Apparently no one could get confirmation until now because the journalists were being responsible here.
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to be honest, I don't quite know what to think about all this
that’s why I’m hoping azjazzman shows up here soon to tell me what really happened that night.
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by ballhawk on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
Does he need to have sources?
is what he says speculation or assumptions?
So i you can give you can take it.
No, he doesn't.
His word is law. At least that’s what he said in the earlier thread.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
We can't handle his truth!!!
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by RIP Slim on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
All that's missing is azjazzman and TJ11
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather get my info from DrCrawdad or South Side Expat, TBH.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Making fun of Al and trolling some of you is a laughing matter to me.
Sexual assault allegations are not. If you can’t see the difference, it speaks volumes about you.
by South Side Expat on Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
I’m glad you see the difference. I wish others would.
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Middle reliever
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Ha, now I hope you're right!
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LET'S CHANGE THE SUBJECT
Cubs trade Cashner and Kyung-Min Na to Pads for RIZZO
Holy crap.
Just got the tweet. I guess that ends the Cashner starter vs. reliever debate.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Buh-bye, Prince.
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Someone's going to overpay for him at some point.
Scott Boras is absolutely killing his value by demanding such a long contract.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Prince may want to jump at the Nats.
They seem like they have a decent shot at being a contender soon. Otherwise, he’s going to end up in Seattle or Baltimore, where it could take years (if ever).
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Prince’s stance just got weaker with a team falling out of the race.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Some perspective
I was the victim of an assault when I was in my early 20s. It’s a very difficuilt process for all involved (I won’t go into detail but there are degrees of assault with a lot of factors playing in). The assailant was convicted and served time.
Let’s wait and see all the facts. I know one of the families involved in the Duke case (my Dad has known one of the Dads of one the players and I’ve known the entire family for my entire life). If you think what’s known about how it was handled by the police and prosecution there’s stuff that’s even worse.
Al once again well handled. This is A VERY sensitive subject. BCB has several new readers today because I pointed people here as a place to see it handled well.
Al you need to take over the papers and radio. This has been very badly handled today. Lots of reporters mention the flight but little mention it was 3 days after end of season and they say he hasn’t come back since. Most likely he was planning to spend the offseason down there anyway.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
They already knew him....
as the kid who doesn’t pay attention.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
But in all seriousness..
He’s my favorite player so I’m obviously going to be biased, but I’m just going to go the optimistic route and believe everything will be okay, mainly because the pessimistic route is too hard to consider. It’s going to be extremely hard to prove anything one way or the other especially with the alcohol being involved. Let’s just see what happens.
Thanks.
This one really was a no-win situation. It was too big a story to leave in a fanshot, once Castro’s lawyers and the Cubs issued statements.
I had hoped people would be more sensitive and responsible in their comments. Guess I was wrong.
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Interested to know what the restrictions are on reporting such incidents
in the states, purely for interest’s sake.
On the site I work for here if charges are made we cut down to bare bones reporting, only allowed to report the established facts of the case. Anything else and we can be help in contempt of court. But more importantly we don’t allow any comments on the site for any kind of criminal case until after a verdict in a court has been handed down.
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I asked repeatedly for comments to be closed
others did too. There were numerous examples early on that having comments open for this was a bad idea. Considering the sensitive nature of this issue, I wish you would have done things differently. I’m disappointed.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jan 6, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
No kidding.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but this put me on a huge downer today.
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It's been about eight hours since I first saw the story, and I'm still sad.
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My two cents
Some have said that even if Castro is not guilty, he’s a scumbag. That is total bs. I know we have been told to wait for more facts but there is one that we have that basically settles the issue for me. The girl blacked out. Wait, wait. Let me explain.
I have lived in this city for the past ten years, from age 17-27. In those ten years I have had nights where I drank a lot. I have nights, and days for that matter, when I have blacked out. Many times when I blacked out I have done some incredibly stupid things. Those things include hooking up with girls that I would not have wanted to in the light of day.
When you are blacked out you are still awake. You are still able to move and function. This girl says when she came to she found Castro sexually assaulting her, not raping her mind you. So something between kissing and sex was happening. It says she then screamed and left (I take that to mean that he stopped the “assault” when she screamed). She makes no allegation of him being physical with her in an attempt of getting her to stay. So unless Starlin picked the exact moment she came out of a blackout to stop forcing himself on her amidst her screams, she was (in all likelihood, I realize not a fact) actively participating in the hookup.
Do you want me to tell you what I think happened? Alrighty then. This girl went out to the nightclub where she got herself a nice set of beer goggles. She went to Castros place and blacked out. When she came out of the blackout, with a smaller set of goggles, found herself hooking up with Castro and decided she didnt want to anymore and left. The next day amidst her hangover and shame for hooking up with someone she deemed not in her league (We’ve all been there before, or at least I have but not often as my league is probably somewhere around Rookie ball) she realized that the person was a professional baseball player and could lead to a financially advantageous situation for her.
People should not be rewarded for dumb stuff they do when they black out. Its like, in one of my trips to rock bottom, when I blacked out after a bears game in the soldier field parking lot. I fell on my face going down some stairs and came out of my blackout in the emergency room. What this girl is doing is the equivalent of if I had sued the bears for my injuries. That would be wrong if I had done it and its wrong of her.
Just my two cents.
PS Super pumped about the Rizzo trade.
by JJDiesel21 on Jan 6, 2012 8:55 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I don't know which is dumber, that you wrote this crap.
or that two people rec’d it.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
You disagree.....
and have made it abundantly obvious, that doesn’t mean his take is dumb or that the people who rec’d it are dumb. It’s called a difference of opinion……..look it up.
Yeah, sorry, when you formulate an opinion on what happened, without having ANY information
and then spew nonsense like
The next day amidst her hangover and shame for hooking up with someone she deemed not in her league (We’ve all been there before, or at least I have but not often as my league is probably somewhere around Rookie ball) she realized that the person was a professional baseball player and could lead to a financially advantageous situation for her.
It’s stupid.
I did preface that paragraph
by saying its what I think happened. I know its not fact. Its the opinion that facts that have been presented (her saying she willingly went back to his place at 3 in the morning, her saying she blacked out, her not seeking medical attention til almost 24 hours later) have lead me to form. I’d rather not be called dumb or stupid about it.
Its like you calling me stupid for saying I’m pumped about the Rizzo trade because you like Cashner and Rizzo doesn’t have the MLB experience for me to cite to defend my opinion.
This is comment #667 in this thread.
Added for obvious reasons.
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I think the thing that has most surprised me in this thread
is how quickly people have been to judge either party with the scantest details of the case.
People talk about trial by media, but the general public is much worse.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
CASTRO IS A SCUMBAG
AND THE ACCUSER IS A FILTHY ACCURSED MOUNTEBANK
/sarcasm
so they are both innocent based on both being victims of the situation?
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
I say we arrest the guy who invented sexual assault
/this is all sarcasm btw
or do we arrest the first person ever assaulted
and blame them for it
Q: Why did Theo Epstein cross the road?
A: To Dump Garza
just
what we need.not a good start to what looks like a dismal 2012 season.
I think...
this thread is a disgrace. How comments have not been checked and this thread closed is beyond me. It may have only been 4-5 posters of the 50+, but how can name-calling and source-citing get editor-needled on a daily basis while some of the slop in this thread gets ignored?
D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice
One has to wonder if he agrees with it
That’s generally how Al works. If he agrees with it, it gets a pass.
by Nunyabidness on Jan 7, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
You are 100% wrong.
But go on believing what you want.
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FYI Castro WAS in Chicago in Nov to meet the Theo/Jed
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/8946373-573/carlos-zambrano-hit-in-face-by-line-drive.html
( this tidbit copied from poster over at TCR).
One presumes the Cubs were unaware the police wanted to interview him ( assuming they did) and the police were unaware he was in town. Does not exactly sound like ace police work to me. In any event it would dispel any idea that Castro was hiding from the police.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
Here's a good thread......
that EVERYONE should read, which basically states it is foolish to jump to any conclusions on this matter-whether they be about Starlin or his accuser…..
This thread is being closed
… and so is the other one on this topic.
I am tremendously disappointed that responsible adults — and maybe I’m presuming too much — couldn’t discuss this without disparaging either Castro, the woman involved, or each other.
Shame on those of you who did that.
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by Al Yellon on Jan 7, 2012 5:55 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
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