Cubs Among Several Teams Interested In Jorge Soler
The Trib is reporting that the Cubs are signing Soler -- but other teams are in the mix, too.
$27+M, That would be great if it is indeed true.
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Is he eligible yet?
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
yes and no
Soler is waiting for official clearance from MLB before being declared a free agent, although he can be signed.
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, it's pretty awesome
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
I try to give my wife answers like this...
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
dunno
The article says
Soler is waiting for official clearance from MLB before being declared a free agent, although he can be signed.
The article is pretty short on details, but it seems to be relaying “multiple” reports out of the DR.
Eamus Ursuli!
This would be a great way to head into spring training.
I would rather have a 19 year old who needs time to develop over a 26 year old that needs less time to develop. A lineup with Jackson, Soler, Szczur, Rizzo, Castro, Baez, Clevenger or Castillo and maybe a free agent 2B or 3B may be in line for 2014-15.
The way I look at it,
we have options, with more on the way. Produce, or you’ll get dealt.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
or...
produce and you will be dealt. Theo and co. have a good history of trading away productive/promising talent.
Soler, Jackson, Szcur… sure they could be the three OF, or, a couple might be traded for something else in a couple of years. Either way, this is fantastic.
Eamus Ursuli!
Yes, they will always try and do what is needed to improve the "team"
instead of the Hendry way of taking care of the individual. Some will be dealt, but that is a nice core to start with.
Interesting.
I believe he can’t technically sign until he’s cleared by MLB? I won’t be totally confident until he is announced, but that’s a great sign.
Also... Not a fan of this, and don't buy a report that claims
Soler, according to one report, will be making $27.5 million with the Cubs for three or four years.
It makes no sense for the Cubs to pay a 19 year old $27.5 million for 3 years – he wouldn’t even break camp with the Cubs. I don’t think we’re in the business of helping Cubans defect, so….
He'd still be under club control after those 3-4 years, no?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Not if he's signed as a "free agent"
There will be no excuses for not doing something the right way. - Dale Sveum
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily...
It would require a special clause in the contract. Even IFAs are subject to 6 years of team control. It would basically say the Cubs would not tender a contract after 3 years or 4 years respectively. Cespedes will have a similar agreement after 4 years (but he will start 2012 in the MLB, most likely, not A ball).
Correct...
I meant the above as if he were a major league player.
I love the Trib article
It’s about Soler, but with a picture of Cespedes, who is so 10 hours ago. Has Soler never taken a picture? Does he sleep in a different place every night?
Is Soler – The Most Interesting Man in the World
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i dont often play baseball, but when i do i wear this
Condoms prevent minivans
by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He once swung at a curveball, low and outside, just to see what Soriano felt like...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
7 million dollars a year? This is stupid.
There will be no excuses for not doing something the right way. - Dale Sveum
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 PM CST reply actions
If it's what they're reporting, I agree it is stupid.
I feel they are not only wrong that this is finalized, they are off on the years as well.
I'm sure it includes a healthy signing bonus
Probably in the neighborhood of $10 million. It’s more likely a 4 year, $18 million deal. Still could look bad if he busts, but it could pay out huge if he fulfills his potential. The other 2 years of team control would be arbitration-based, unless there was an extension.
No worries - doesn't hurt to hear the same thing.
I never know 100% anymore with the new CBA.
some more deets
it now appears they have come to an agreement with the 19-year-old Cuban outfielder and are expected to sign him when his pending free agency becomes official.
and then this from goldstein
@Kevin_Goldstein
Folks, the four year deal for Soler is DIFFERENT from the Cespedes deal. Service time won’t start until big leagues, NOT a FA after the 4.
IT’S HAPPENING!!!
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good until
You realize the Cubs may play at the Cell in 2013. I wish they could take this years garbage team down to the south side.
Have you heard something about this recently?
Because every credible source to this point, especially those coming from the Cubs organization, have stated this is NOT going to happen.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I have seen this on 2 newscasts tonight
And both said it was a hot rumor and not true at all.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
A bad rumor, already refuted...
Don’t worry, it’s not going to happen. The Cubs have denied the rumor that they will play in U.S. Cellular Field in 2013 so extensive renovations can be made to Wrigley Field.
Cool
So he still will be being paid even if he’s not in the majors? So he gets paid more than 9 million to play in the minor for about 2 years? This guy better be a stud.
He'll get a signing bonus, and likely much more than a minor league minimum...
But nothing exceptional over the 27 million.
What would he get paid if he makes the club after the 3 years
wouldn’t he only get a 20% pay cut?
It wouldn't be based off his Signing bonus + yearly salary?
or just his yearly salary which could be 4-5 million?
Depends on how the contract is written, how he performs, and if the Cubs tender a contract.
The way the arb process works is the MINIMUM he can receive is 80% of the salary from his previous year. The overall salary has nothing to do with it, which is why athletes agree to backloaded deals.
For instance, if someone made 50 million over 2 years and they got paid $49 in year 1 and $1 year 2, they could technically be on the hook for Arbitration based on a $1 million salary.
Interesting
but does he make minimum 500k if he isn’t arb elgible and his contract is up?
From the sound of it, his contract doesn't really "start" until he makes the majors.
I’m sure the Cubs are on the hook for the 27.5 million regardless of whether he makes it or not, but he would definitely be arb eligible from the sound of it.
Honestly though, there are SO few details, I don’t want to get hopes up or offer bad info here. I can offer my insight into how FA and IFA work here, but this is kind of a whole new can of worms. Clubs are getting VERY creative with the cap coming next year, and I don’t want to assume anything.
Now THAT I'm okay with.
Give the kid a 10 million signing bonus and then pay him 4.3 per year for the 4 years of his rookie deal.
Exactly.
And then have the arbitration years on top of it.
This is another good sign.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
...
@Kevin_Goldstein
Correct. RT @Dant4904 @Kevin_Goldstein wait did you say Soler has way more up side then Jackson and Rizzo?
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
EPIC POST
and in all seriousness i share the feelings of both Fry and the good shepard Jesus Christos. This is GREAT news for our franchise. Yes it is a lot of money but as was mentioned above we will have the full 6 years of control and we didn’t spend much else this entire offseason.
This might just give us a top-10 system! So excited for the future
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by CubbyBlues on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see this as a top 10 system still, more likely 13-15. However, I will say....
by bdlugz on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I DECLARE THIS FANSHOT A .GIF PARTY
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oddly enough that .gif is from another famous center fielders commercial....
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by unretrofied93 on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
That kid seriously creeps me out.
Put him in any horror movie and I’d be terrified for sure.
I saw that .gif a while ago and thought it looked familiar
then one day in the car, BAM, Hunter Twins Territory Commercial
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by unretrofied93 on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
i was not aware of that
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
gotta be one of my favorite commercials of all time
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I suggest BCB now switch all its power usage to Soler power.
Tom Brady. Nuff said.
by Cub Style on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
That will be my battle cry from the bleachers if he makes the show
~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will
by unretrofied93 on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
either jim hendry was really freaking bad
or soler is really freaking good
both are plausible
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
...
There will be no excuses for not doing something the right way. - Dale Sveum
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
This is cool.
That is all.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Maybe I'm missing this information....
But is he gonna be invited to spring training?
Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 PM CST reply actions
hey billy, wrong cuban!
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
But I'm not good at dancing...
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This must be Beane celebrating the signing of Cespedes right?
Shouldn’t there be one for Theo celebrating Soler?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 15, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if ever there was a player to take advantage of Wrigley's propensity for day games...
…it’d be Soler.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
...
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by Goat Whisperer on Feb 14, 2012 6:11 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
STANDING TALL!!!!!
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Rec'd for Dance of Joy
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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
A gif party isn't complete without...
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Feb 14, 2012 7:08 AM CST reply actions
What's his fav Minneapolis band
from the 80’s?
Soler Asylum.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
It's the Replacements, then Husker Du.
He wasnt that into soul asylum’s 90s stuff.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
After the A's coming out of nowhere to sign Cespedes...
it almost worries me that the Cubs are the “favorites” to sign Soler. He’ll probably end up in Kansas City now.
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
They're not the favorites anymore
He’s as good as signed – all that’s left is pen to paper its a done deal.
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
I hope it's that simple, but I doubt it is.
https://twitter.com/#!/JonHeymanCBS/status/169429869497819138
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
Goldstein has a different take on it...
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
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@BleacherNation Also, that agent has history of agreeing to deals before players can sign and removing player from market.
2 hours ago
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
@
@BleacherNation I heard they made huge offer: 25-27.5 range and that was way ahead of others.
2 hours ago
Cubs farm system
I know it’s only 2 signings, but do the Soler and Concepcion additions change anything to how the Cubs system is ranked?
Yeah. Up about 5 notches,
regardless the expert.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
This thread is hypnotizing.
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I think it's about time to change the "?" in the title of this post to a "!"...
or “!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1” if a wave of nostalgia overcomes you…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I will change that when there's official confirmation of this signing.
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I do find it interesting that while we (the collective we) have been jumping for joy over this for half a day now...
…there has yet to be any mention of this on MLBTR ,which is usually pretty good at gathering/posting the latest, if not greatest, scuttlebutt.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
how's that?
or should I say????!?????
Eamus Ursuli!
Then there's this:
“@JonHeymanCBS: cespedes II: #cubs, many mystery teams (#marlins?) in mix for 5-tool phenom jorge soler”
Maybe the Cubs are the mystery team to the mystery teams
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Somebody put a GPS tracking device on that thing.
We’ll never be shocked by another FA signing again.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, this actually hasn't happened yet... has it?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
semantics
i hope…
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
Pretty much
Goldstein said something about Soler’s agent doing this kind of agreement before with Adeiny Hechavarria.
Who is Adeiny Hechavarria?
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Ah, OK...thanks.
Wow, never noticed the name before.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Welp, I hope we sign him...
…but it’s not a done deal as I type this. And after yesterday’s Cespedes signing, I won’t believe Soler is a Cub until it’s official.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
If we don't sign him,
it’ll feel like this….
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Man, his agent is tough.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
I bet this is just to get a stash of Cuban cigars that Soler has in his luggage.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
What is MLB waiting for to declare him a FA?
I thought he established residency in DR already.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
Umm... this is MLB we're talking about.
You think they do things quickly or efficiently?
Case and point: Theo compensation
I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?
- Yogi Berra
by LongLiveHarryCaray on Feb 14, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
It was done quickly with Cespedes.
Once he established residency.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
Apparently he is still not a DR resident, either
Jorge Soler must establish residency in the Dominican Republic before he can apply for free agency with Major League Baseball. Once MLB declares Soler a free agent, he can negotiate with teams and agree to terms on a contract … but he cannot sign a contract until he receives an unblocking license from OFAC.
And OFAC is closed on Tuesdays
So there you go.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
When it says that all three cuban players are expected to be in spring training camp on time
I would think that Soler would be closer to being declared a FA.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
cannot wait to see him for myself at Hohokam
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Now Kaplan is reporting that there is no deal in place. He must be bored.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
Kap, as usual, is not reporting anything new.
He’s just saying that a deal isn’t in place cuz it can’t be (Soler still needs to establish residency/get clearance from MLB as a FA), which is just obvious and a rehash of every report about this deal. He also doesn’t understand the structure of the deal (explained clearly by Kevin Goldstein), calling it “ludicrous.”
He did the same thing with his “Tigers/Cubs close to deal for Garza” story which had zero new info and even less credibility.
I am a little tepid that this is really happening too, but I think it is just skepticism on my part. ALLLLLL indications are that this deal being done is a formality due to Soler’s work/residency status.
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
aol sporting news is reporting the story as well
http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2012-02-14/cubs-expected-to-sign-cuban-outfielder-jorge-soler
still not conclusive (based off the Trib story) , but “multiple DR sources” is somewhat encouraging
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by LongLiveHarryCaray on Feb 14, 2012 11:33 AM CST reply actions
I'm really concerned
that this is a ploy by his agent to drum up offers “at the last minute” based on the perception of the impending signing
He does have the same agent as Zambrano.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
No, his autobiography will be called:
Phenomenal: The Story of David Kaplan
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
As told to David Kaplan by David Kaplan
Forward by Phil Rogers
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Exactly right
Step Three: Patience. The plan is in place.
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 15, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
How'd his Garza to Tigers Report turn out?
I understand the skepticism but I can’t remember the last time there was this much smoke and no fire with a FA deal.
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
Olney is a good reporter
but my hope is that he is saying this because he always assumes/thinks that the yanks and/or red sox are in on these types of dealings. Remember, too, that Olney was a beat writer for the yankees for a long time and has close ties to the organization – that could be where his info is coming from.
I still say Soler is a Cub – I really, realllllly hope he is a Cub.
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
Report: Soler May Have Agreed To Deal Before Free Agency
According to this report from Baseball America,if Soler may has a deal in place with the Cubs right now, it was legal to do so. I would hope that Theo would be too smart for this, unless he feels the potential fine is worth it.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/02/report-soler-may-have-agreed-to-deal-before-free-agency/
Yes very true
and honestly why should we care as long as we get Soler in Cubbie blue? I definitely won’t
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
...
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Feb 14, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
the look on the woman's face at the end
my wife has that look ALL the time.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 15, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
It appears you mean "illegal to do so."
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
I don't think Baseball America has that right.
Here’s what the Tribune reported:
The Cubs are expected to add 19-year-old outfielder Jorge Soler after acquiring 19-year-old pitcher Gerardo Concepcion, according to multiple reports from the Dominican Republic, where Soler is staying.
No, he is not signed yet. No one is reporting that he is signed.
Could he have a handshake deal in place? Yes. Is that illegal within MLB or US law? No.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 14, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of like a college player verbally committing to a university.
He’ll sign his letter of intent to lead the Cubs to the 2015 World Series here shortly.
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
Is it just me, or is Dave Van Dyke really bad at his job?
Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.
Maybe he's the best at his job
if Soler ends up signing with the Cubs, he can claim he was the first to report it (at least the first stateside)
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
Not just you.
I wish he and Phil Rogers would both retire.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Seconded.
I’m sure Dave is a nice guy… but he is waaaaaaaaaay past his prime.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Yeah, he used to be good
Step Three: Patience. The plan is in place.
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 15, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
LOOKS LIKE SOLER IS GOING TO SIGN WITH THE CLEVELAND SPIDERS
I HATE THE CUBS
"For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love." Carl Sagan
Say it ain't so, Dave Kaplan.
http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-cubs/2012/2/14/2797885/jorge-soler-chicago-cubs-signing-rumors
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
My bad, I'm a few hours late.
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." -Rogers Hornsby
I was really hoping the Marlins wouldn't end up as competition, but comparing his power to Stanton's? He's better than I thought.
2:51pm: The Marlins are interested, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal hears Soler’s power is comparable to that of Miami outfielder Mike Stanton — high praise to say the least.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/many-teams-in-on-jorge-soler.html
Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions
THEO BLUFFS!! BRILLIANT!!
IMHO, the front office never intended to sign Soler based on the high contract Cespedes got and the mass movement to sign young international talent while still possible under the CBA creating the perfect storm for an irrationally large contract for Soler. Instead, we bluffed.
Yankees, Phillies, and Marlins will now be in a bidding war that starts at 27.5 mil the Cubs offered. We got the lowest price. No question the Yankees will go after Soler if the Burnett trade goes through and the cap space is created.
Theo appears to be creating a smoke screen distracting teams from the 2013 FA class. Soler is good, but by no means a sure thing. Let’s move on now Cubs fans
I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?
- Yogi Berra
by LongLiveHarryCaray on Feb 15, 2012 8:19 PM CST reply actions
What?
heo appears to be creating a smoke screen distracting teams from the 2013 FA class.
So, all of those other teams will be out of the bidding for players 9 months from now??
And, who exactly is a “sure thing”?
Step Three: Patience. The plan is in place.
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 16, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get this
I can’t figure out why people are always thinking there’s all this subterfuge as far as free agents, like it’s some sort of strategy game. There’s no bluffing. If you want the guy, you get the guy. If you think you can do better by going another route, you do that.
What do we think somebody is going to be saying 8 months from now?
… Oh, crap, now we’ve got this kid in AA and we can’t sign Matt Cain!
… You guys, we got Soler, good job, take a year off.
… Dangit, Theo stuck us with a top 20 prospect and… wait, I’m OK with that.
… Hahaha the Yankees spent all their money and now they’re broke!
… OMG there’s free agents again this winter?
Wow.
Jeff Passan@JeffPassan
No surprise, but the two teams in hardest on Jorge Soler right now are the Yankees and Phillies, two sources say. This will get expensive.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 15, 2012 8:37 PM CST reply actions
sad panda mode re-initiated
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Feb 15, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
im going to see the pandas in SD
next week
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Awesome news from Passan!
Now the Cubs are a mystery team.
Mystery team always wins!
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by section229beer on Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Changed the headline to reflect what's going on now.
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I'm pretty resigned
to us not getting Soler at this point. I really really hope we do, but it seems like that report came out that we had him and EVERYBODY came out of the woodwork all of a sudden to sign him.
I know its just a prospect, not that big of a deal, but it just feels like another usurping of the cubs chances in this weird way – Almost a microcosm of Cubdom if this signing doesn’t happen for us.
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Wondering about stats
Easy enough to find Cuban League stats for Concepcion and Cespedes, but I cannot find the same for Soler. Unlike the first two players, stories covering Soler do not (that I’ve seen) mention his Cuban play.
I realize that Cuban baseball is mainly an amateur affair, but still, it would be nice to have some sort of quantitative data. He has actually played, hasn’t he?
He's played very little in the league that Cespedes played in.
He’s much younger, and from what I understand was only getting to that league at the time he defected.
by Orval Overall on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks Orval
I guess I was trying to figure out if there was anything solid behind the hype. The only solid fact I’ve seen is his sprint speed (above average). Many have remarked upon the hype machine that was turned on for Cespedes, but at least he has produced numbers that can be put into some type of context. That’s what scouts are for, I suppose.
No biggie, just curious.
by jawsofvictory on Feb 16, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
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