You can take Fredi Gonzalez off of the list

by brianp88 on Oct 3, 2006 11:13 AM CDT

of candidates for the Cubs job.

"Braves third-base coach Fredi Gonzalez, who interviewed for the Marlins job last year, is expected to be named Girardi's replacement during a 2 p.m. ET press conference."

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061003&content_id=1696581&vkey news_mlb&fext.jsp&c_id=mlb

Well, Florida certainly didn't waste anytime. They must have had this lined up for at least a month.

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They're fools

Don't they know that the best way to choose a new manager is to go into the offseason without a clue about what you're doing, and then conduct an "extensive search" so that you can ensure that all those teams that made the mistake of pulling the trigger quickly get all the best candidates?

AC036198

by gjdow on Oct 3, 2006 11:13 AM CDT reply actions

Wow

I really wish I knew what it felt like to be a fan of a team that has its shit together. Then again, the Marlins probally wish they just had fans period...

by BadGuy on Oct 3, 2006 11:33 AM CDT reply actions

Seriously....

the Marlins are a good organization in search of fans, and we are fans in search of a good organization. Can we make a trade? Or do the Cubs have a full no-trade clause?

by Thelonious on Oct 3, 2006 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Heh

Their team consists of a lot of ex-Cubs anyway.

by BadGuy on Oct 3, 2006 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

WOW!

so well said I don't know where to start. you have summed up all of my thoughts from the last 24 hours it just one sentence.

I love how the Marlins said they got permission to talk to Gonzalez on Sep. 25 and had a deal last week, meanwhile our wonderful GM didn't want to start talks to early becuase it wouldn't be fair to dusty........

GROAN!

by jag alskar bjornungarna on Oct 3, 2006 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Well....

looks like it will be a "name" guy.

I am thinking..... Pinella.

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 3, 2006 12:04 PM CDT reply actions

I'm guessing

Jim Hendry's ultimate decision will come down to Jim Fregosi and Lou Pinella. Regardless, I'm already preparing to weep a river of tears.

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Yuck..

Might as well go with Stick Michaels or Tom Trebelhorn. I actually liked Lefebvre...he'd excite me more than Pinella.

by wicubfan on Oct 3, 2006 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions

the henchman

Little bit of trivia:
Lefebvre was one of the Riddler's henchmen on the '60s Batman.
..but I'm sure you knew that already.
BOFF! POW! SOCK!

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Oct 4, 2006 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions

I did not

know that. But thanks. I was never really sure why Frenchie got the ax..I think it was another great decision by Larry Himes.

by wicubfan on Oct 4, 2006 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions

How much contact did they have with Gonzalez?

That is a very quick hire. I wonder how many times they have talked to him, and what level of approval the Braves gave to have an employee of theirs talking to another team while the season was going on. I'm not a fan of extensive searches, but, seems like even the Fish could have shopped around a bit. Maybe they had no contact and initiated it all after last pitch on Sunday. Kinda quick, though.

by Nibbles on Oct 3, 2006 12:46 PM CDT reply actions

Note...

... the link says that he interviewed for the job last year. I suspect it must have been VERY close in Beinfest's mind between Girardi and Gonzalez, and having hired and fired Girardi, must have known he wanted Gonzalez to be his choice a month ago, contact or not.

by Al Yellon on Oct 3, 2006 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions

I heard

that Beinfast wanted Gonzalez last year, but Loria wanted Girardi. What a difference a year makes.

Al,

If I remember correctly Gonzalez was your first choice as the next Cubs manager. If he is hired by Florida, who would you like to see as the Cubs manager?

by kessinger on Oct 3, 2006 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes....

... Gonzalez was indeed my first choice. I have to think about this a while. There are reasons to hire Girardi at this time, and other GOOD reasons NOT to.

I'm not sure who I'd put next on the list. Let me mull this.

by Al Yellon on Oct 3, 2006 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Seems to me...

...that you obviously have risks associated with all three choices b/t Brenly, Pinella and Girardi.

Me, personally, having lost out on Gonzalez (who I was hoping would be the next manager), the Cubs' will be able to handle the potential failure of Girardi alot easier than they would Brenly or Pinella.

The fact is this: Girardi is now available. He tutored under Torre, he had a fantastic season with the young $15 million dollar strong Marlins. He's got a ring (or two?) He's young, hungry, hard-working, disciplined, and smart. He's the opposite of Baker.

Prediction: If the Cubs' don't take Girardi and instead hire someone else--assuming that someone else doesn't take the Cubs to the championship, it will be 10x worse than letting Maddux go.

I could live with Girardi not getting the job done. But Pinella......ugghhhh......Brenly.....double-ugghhhhh.

85% of the world's working and the other 15% come out here (to Wrigley). --Lee Elia

by southerncubbie on Oct 3, 2006 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions

10x worse than letting Maddux go????

For that the Cubs would have to trade Z for
Neffi , Hill for Byung-Hyun Kim, re-sign Mabry & Bynum
for 3 years 10 million each, sign Russ Ortiz and
Jeff Weaver as the new SPs and announce that Prior
is the Opening Day starter than MAYBE it would
be 5x worse than letting Maddux go.

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 3, 2006 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

lol

by tomas21 on Oct 3, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Rebuttal

Larry Beinfast = Magnificent GM

Jim Hendry = Lubricated Mediocre High School Baseball Coach Masquerading as Big League GM

If I'm Fredi Gonzalez, my decision is very easy if it comes down to the Cubs versus the Marlins. Regardless the goofy owner in Florida, that team is blessed with a great GM and a boatload of excpetional young talent.

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Why do you even come to BCB???

You don't even like the CUBS...

J.P. Riccardi is not going to pay Vernon Wells...CALL HIM NOW HENDRY!!!! Don't lose another Rafael Furcal!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 3, 2006 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Probably because he has no life

other than message boards, trying to show people how smart he is, it's not working so far.

by cubswin on Oct 3, 2006 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Gonzalez was my top choice...

and I might not watch if they hire Piniella, and if they hire Brenly I will only watch if they rehire Stoney for broadcasting duties or if Brenly grows out a thicker handlebar moustache.

Here's hoping for Girardi, I guess.

by Thelonious on Oct 3, 2006 1:00 PM CDT reply actions

What does anyone know about Manny Acta?

He is the Mets third base coach and managed the Dominican Team in the WBC. He may have been the one who chose Beltre over Ramirez as the Dominican team's third baseman. He is often mentioned in the same breath as Fredi Gonzalez and Joey Cora. Anyone know about his managing philosophy?

by cubzfan on Oct 3, 2006 2:03 PM CDT reply actions

wow...

it'd be nice if the Cubs had everything together like the Marlins clearly do.

by tal1286 on Oct 3, 2006 2:05 PM CDT reply actions

Does it matter...

... WHEN a manager is hired? Or would you rather get the right guy for the Cubs' particular situation?

Obviously, this decision was made by the Marlins a couple of months ago.

There are no Cubs games for five months. Man! Give Hendry more than a day!

by Al Yellon on Oct 3, 2006 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

you said

Gonzalez WAS the right guy! If the Cubs had fired Baker months ago, perhaps you could be celebrating that your managerial choice had been granted.

Instead, we're wondering if it will be Pinella, Brenly or Giardi.

You should be pissed.

by tomas21 on Oct 3, 2006 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

exactly

if fredi was your choice how can you not be upset al?

hendry has known baker was gone for along time now

he should have been ready to counter offer right after yesterdays press conferance

the marlins moved quick just like detroit with leyland last year

and we do what exaclty

"The people have spoken Mike63 you are the most annoying poster, now please leave"

by ksucubbie on Oct 3, 2006 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Dude, didnt you know

the offseason is for justification?

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 3, 2006 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions

You know what...

... obviously, the Gonzalez deal has been in place for some time. The Marlins interviewed him last year, and while yes, the Cubs could have moved in midseason -- maybe the Braves wouldn't have let him go then.

Justification? Call it what you want. You can sit here and recriminate all you want.

Let's move on. Gonzalez is managing somewhere else. The Cubs job has been vacant for ONE DAY. I'd rather get the RIGHT guy in there than make a fast move just to say it was done that way.

Who is that guy? Right now, I am not sure.

by Al Yellon on Oct 3, 2006 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Al

you've been saying for months that you think fredi gonzalez is/was the best choice to manage the cubs net year. now that the cubs missed out on him because they stuck with baker all year (which you also advocated), you say that its ok that the cubs missed on on gonzalez because the job had only been vacant for one day, and they need to find the right guy.

i just don't see how you can justify that. and to point that out is not being recriminatory, its just pointing out that the you are now saying the cubs are smart (to pass on Gonzalez) for doing exactly the opposite of what you said would be smart (to hire Gonzalez).

by tomas21 on Oct 3, 2006 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions

It does matter..

if you want to attract quality free agents which the Cubs desperately need. With the free agent period starting Nov 1, Hendry best have his sh*t together by then.

I agree he needs to be given more than 1 day, but it seems as if this decision was made long ago and Hendry will look foolish if a new hire isn't made soon.

by wicubfan on Oct 3, 2006 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions

yes

Al, I normally agree with you but I'm stunned at your reaction to this. You yourself wanted Gonzalez and now he is off the market because the Cubs did precisely what you just advocated.

That makes no sense. If the Cubs keep waiting somebody else is going to hire Girardi and we're going to miss out.

And yes, I still wish the Cubs had it together like the Marlins clearly do. They got the man they wanted to manage the team. They have a system bursting with talent and the Cubs don't.

I know I sound negative and I hope we get Girardi and I want the Cubs to do well but all I said was it would be nice if we had been planning for the future back as early as July when we knew Dusty would be gone. It just doesn't look like we were.

by tal1286 on Oct 3, 2006 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions

and also

I never said anything about "when." All I said was it would be nice if the Cubs had it together like the Marlins do...knowing who they want and getting the "right guy" like you said.

by tal1286 on Oct 3, 2006 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah

al i just dont get it

the marlins did NOT have a deal in place because thats tampering

you and i both though gonzalez was the guy and the marlins moved quicker than hendry

i can already see his excuse next year

"well you know i had to make sure we had the "right guy" for our manager, so we couldnt bid on some of the guys we wanted, but were happy with the moves we made and think we can be competive this year for the wild card"

"The people have spoken Mike63 you are the most annoying poster, now please leave"

by ksucubbie on Oct 3, 2006 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Obviously Fredi wasn't Hendry's guy...

It's not like Hendry got caught up in a "show me the dinero" speech from Aramis Ramirez while Beinfest and Loria "Bob Sugared" away Fredi Gonzalez.

As for myself, I think it's clear once Girardi was reported on the outs in Florida, that he instantly became the frontrunner for the position here and Fredi went on the backburner.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions

The Marlins "have everything together"?

Didn't they just sign a manager to a 3-year contract, watch him have a rather successful first season, and fire him for no apparent reason? That sounds to me like an organization that's confused.

by jamie @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 3, 2006 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions

You might want to acquaint

yourself with the Florida GM and the Marlin roster and farm system which is bursting with exceptional young talent.

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions

that's just uninformed

The marlins will be an exceptional team and if they man up and resign Cabrera they very well could be winning yet ANOTHER WS in a few short years.

In short, yes the marlins have it all together. They've already done this TWICE! We should be so lucky to cheer for a franchise half as good as the marlins.

by tal1286 on Oct 3, 2006 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions

They're not going to sign Cabrera...

...he's under their control until after the 2009 season anyhow.

But his arby rate is just about to explode. He'll soon command more than 50% of the Marlins total payroll. There are still no fans in Florida who give a rip about the Fish (which is a shame), and there's little hope the Marlins will be upping payroll in order to pay Miguel and Dontrelle, not to mention these other young kids like Hanley, Uggla, Johnson, Olsen, and Sanchez will be commanding serious bank in the next 3-4 years.

Cabera will get traded soon. Either this offseason or during the regular season. But unless Florida embraces their Marlins and starts showing up to games, it's a virtual lock that Willis and Cabrera won't be wearing Marlins unis for much longer.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

He won't get 50% of the budget

but together WITH Willis they will literally
double and then some the payroll

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 4, 2006 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Either way...

Cabrera is not affordable by the current Fish pocketbook.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Neither is Willis

Let's find out what they want

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 5, 2006 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

i love dontrelle

and he is a lot of fun to watch, but i'm not sure his actual value is as high as his reputation. i think they would be looking for a package worthy of one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball, and i don't think he's that good.

by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions

I just have a bad feeling about this...

Hendry waits and "evaluates" all his choices for manager. By the time he decides who he wants, all the good prospects (Girardi, Gonzalez-already gone) and all the names (Pinella, Brenly even possibly Fregosi) will be gone and the Cubs will wind up with the dregs of what is left and will end up with someone from inside the organization (like Mike Quade) or someone with little to no experience, but has a connection to the Cubs like Gary Varsho or even Jody Davis.

Kasey

by kaseyi on Oct 3, 2006 3:11 PM CDT reply actions

We can

only hope that Piniella, Brenly and Fregosi are unavailable by the time the Cubs hire a new manager.

Heck, I'd take Terry Collins over those three men, and that's saying something.

by Josh Timmers on Oct 3, 2006 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions

I haven't read any posts yet...

but I am GLAD Fredi's off the list....You guys can hype him until the cows come home, but I do NOT want an unproven manager at the helm.....

I honestly don't want to hear another WORD about Barry Zito in a CUBS' uniform in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 3, 2006 3:36 PM CDT reply actions

Nah....me neither

not when we can get a grizzled vet like Lou Pinella to sleep six innings per game in the dugout or Jim Fregosi chain smoke from his perch on the dugout step.

Who on EARTH would want a stellar product of the Bobby Cox School of Management when you can wondrous fruit like this!!!

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions

How many World Series teams was

Fredi Gonzalez a head coach of???? Just wondering ;)

J.P. Riccardi is not going to pay Vernon Wells...CALL HIM NOW HENDRY!!!! Don't lose another Rafael Furcal!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 3, 2006 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

That might be the dumbest argument

I've ever seen on BCB (and there has been some dumb ones) Hell, I'll defer to Al to tell you how ridiculous this comment is.

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 3, 2006 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions

What are you talking about?

So, you're telling me you are 100% comfortable with a FIRST YEAR manager at the helms of a team that is under a cloud of urgency to win NOW?????

J.P. Riccardi is not going to pay Vernon Wells...CALL HIM NOW HENDRY!!!! Don't lose another Rafael Furcal!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 4, 2006 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 4, 2006 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Well, I think that taking all precautions into

consideration is completely necessary now and I do not share in your optimistic approach to Fredi Gonzalez. The Chicago CUBS need to win right now, plain and simple......I do not feel confident that Gonzalez would be the right man to lead them.

J.P. Riccardi is not going to pay Vernon Wells...CALL HIM NOW HENDRY!!!! Don't lose another Rafael Furcal!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 4, 2006 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I think he's referring to recent history

There has been some precedent of rookie managers winning the World Series.

2005 White Sox: Guillen--rookie manager
2004 Red Sox: Francona--1st year in Boston but had managed in Philly before that
2003 Marlins: Torborg and McKeon--experienced, McKeon's first year in Florida
2002 Angels: Scioscia--3rd year in Anaheim, his first managing gig
2001 Diamondbacks: Brenly--rookie manager
2000 Yankees: Torre--nuff said
1999 Yankees: uh-huh
1998 Yankees: yup
1997 Marlins: Leyland--1st year in Florida, experienced manager
1996 Yankees: Torre--1st year in NY
1995 Braves: Cox--old salt
1994 aargh!

There are a lot more experienced guys than first-time managers, but a lot of that is the run of the Yankees and Braves.

by cubzfan on Oct 4, 2006 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions

first of all...

Terry Francona didn't win anything imo....he won with Grady Little's team.......and as you said much of that list had previous head coaching experience, which Fredi Gonzalez lacks....

Either way, it's a dead issue......Fredi's in FLA and I am happy.

J.P. Riccardi is not going to pay Vernon Wells...CALL HIM NOW HENDRY!!!! Don't lose another Rafael Furcal!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 4, 2006 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions

so...

by that logic if the Cubs win next year Dusty Baker should actually get all the credit. That makes no sense.

If you had said that Francona won with Epstien's team you would be right because everything Francona did all year came as an instruction from Epstein based on statistics.

by tal1286 on Oct 4, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Reply (sorry to sound like Mike63)

by that logic if the Cubs win next year Dusty Baker should actually get all the credit. That makes no sense.

I don't see it that way, b/c Grady Little took the Sox to the post season the year before Francona was manager.

J.P. Riccardi is not going to pay Vernon Wells...CALL HIM NOW HENDRY!!!! Don't lose another Rafael Furcal!

by TheBeerBaron on Oct 4, 2006 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Sounds about right

and after the Bears win the Super Bowl this year, I think we should send rings to Jauron and Wannstedt.

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 4, 2006 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions

i'm sorry but you're wrong

I don't know how to emphasize this any more. Francona didn't do ANYTHING with regards to managing. Yes he deals with players more than Theo but every single decision came from Epstein. Theo gave Francona a list of statistics and told him to follow them.

The reason that Little (I called him Manuel earlier, that was dumb) got fired was because he ignored stats. Pedro's ERA skyrockets after he gets past 90 pitches or whatever it is. Pedro got that high and Little left him in the game. Other managers might not have been fired because it was true that Pedro was pitching well until he started sucking but Little did because Pedro started sucking precisely when the stats predicted he would and because Little ignored the stats at the most critical of moments, thereby ignoring Epstein's instructions, he got fired.

Epstein practically manages this team. Francona got hired because he would do what Epstein told him to.

by tal1286 on Oct 4, 2006 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions

and also

you say the 2004 Red Sox were Grady Little's team like they are a college football team. Little doesn't have anything to do with signing players or recruiting. Players on the 04 Sox were not there because Little recruited them in the year that he managed Boston. That is not his team. Again, I have to use the analogy, by your logic, the 2007 Cubs will still be Dusty's team and if we win the world series you would give him credit because it is still his team.

I think Francona and whomever the Cubs hire next would take issue with that.

by tal1286 on Oct 4, 2006 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Did Theo call the dugout

and tell them to give Dave Roberts the steal sign?
( perhaps the key decision play of the league series)
Francona is not window dressing. Theo put together
a great team but Tito got it to work just right.

It is absurd to not give Francona credit for managing
the Red Sox to the WS

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 4, 2006 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions

ok...

Maybe I'm taking it to a bit of an extreme but in my defense I would imagine that Epstein gave Francona explicit instructions on when to steal and when not to steal and that was a situation where he said you can send Roberts.

I'm not trying to take credit away from Francona per se although it may seem like it at this point. The reason I even started this debate was that BeerBaron, I think, tried to give Grady Little more credit that Francona for the 04 WS team which is absurd. If anybody else deserves credit it is Epstein and not Little.

by tal1286 on Oct 4, 2006 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions

i mean

I wish I could remember where I read all this but I definitely remember reading that Epstein basically gave Francona a binder with statistics and told him to follow his instructions.

Francona obviously was the manager and did a great job but as GMs go Epstein is really really involved.

by tal1286 on Oct 4, 2006 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Fredi was a product

of the Marlins system, one of their very first minor league managers.

by cubswin on Oct 3, 2006 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Well Fredi is a good company man

I realize he is just hired to manage but Gonzalez's response to a
question about what he would have done when Loria was screaming at the owner from the umpires box does not inspire confidence in me at least

"If he wants to yell, he can yell," he said. "He paid for the team. He has the most expensive seat in the stadium."

Contrast this with what happened between Girardi & Loria

"The owner berated an umpire while sitting behind the plate. From the dugout, Girardi asked Loria to stop.
""The gist of the conversation to Jeffrey was, 'I preach to my players about not arguing with umpires, and this is not going to help us,"' Girardi said."

I sure hope Hendry gives Joe a fair hearing
You don't have to worry about Pinella arguing with Dennis Fitzsimmons if he were to shout at at umpire from the "owners" box because Lou would already have been ejected for doing the same

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 3, 2006 6:54 PM CDT reply actions

Ok I should have had coffee today

That would be Loria screaming at the UMPIRES
from the OWNERS box not the other way round

I really get that new computer so I can post
from home and not rush this stuff

Hope that was a good laugh for folks

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 3, 2006 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions

That's

exactly what I thought when I read that quote - company man. The higher ups at the Trib are probably kicking themselves that they didn't hire him. They might get stuck with someone (Girardi) who stands up for himself.

by kessinger on Oct 3, 2006 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Actually I don't think Trib wants a Yes man

Whatever their problems are , interfering with
managers is not one of them. I think the autonomy
given Cub managers is selling point. Sadly Hendry
appears to be leaning towards an older re tread
I literally DESPISE Pinella but he sure ain't a "yes"
man

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Oct 4, 2006 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions

And wasn't Fredi

on Jim's list last time?

Jim can't even get an interview with him?

Wow.

by Peoria Matt on Oct 3, 2006 8:30 PM CDT reply actions

you forget though

there has to be an 'extensive search for the right man'.

which probably entails hendry sitting on his ass throwing darts at a dartboard with pictures of managers on it hoping for the best.

Way to go, Jim, you proved you still belong in that seat!

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 3, 2006 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah

and he'll have really bad aim too.

by kessinger on Oct 4, 2006 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions

hopefully the giants

hire that clown who's been doing color for us for two years. hendry won't have the opportunity to f this up and hire him AND we won't have to listen to him anymore. folks, that's killing the two birds.

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 4, 2006 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Tim Kurkjian

said on Mike and Mike in the Morning that Jim Bowden and the Washington Nationals want to meet with Joe Girardi.

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 8:50 AM CDT reply actions

thanks

how bout posting this in a couple more threads?

by tomas21 on Oct 4, 2006 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Girardi v. Beinfest

Interesting to read the Sun-Times and Trib takes on why Joe Girardi got fired. According to one whispered theory, it was because Girardi wanted to win and played Matt Treanor behind the plate instead of Miguel Olivo, because he believed Treanor handled the staff much better. Beinfest wanted Olivo in the lineup to see his bat because he viewed the season as development of his young players. Thus, the philosophical differences (Girardi - play to win now; Beinfest - play to develop players to win later) ended the relationship.

Now, for me, I guess I'd fall in the Girardi camp there. Treanor was a pretty decent catcher this year (although maybe he didn't have the talent/potential of Olivo at the plate). Plus, isn't developing your young pitchers as important (if not more important) than seeing if your catching prospect can hit?

I'm voting for Joe Girardi, with a strong push to have him make Mark Grace hitting coach. Once those hires are done, the Trib should do the right thing and announce Steve Stone as President of Baseball Operations, or, alternatively, as General Manager.

by Chadnudj on Oct 4, 2006 9:15 AM CDT reply actions

you might want to read this

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15672876.htm

by cubswin on Oct 4, 2006 6:06 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah that doesn't strike of a planted story...

..at all.

Here's some of the dirt that got left on the cutting room floor:

"Girardi also refused to meet many times with Beinfest in his office, preferring his stylish Miami hacienda, where he would peer over a mountain of cocaine at the beleaguered Beinfest, wrapped in an American flag, simultaneously hugging a puppy while feeding an impoverished young latino, telling him he wanted, 'the world, chico, and everything in it.'".

It's a smear job, plain and simple.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions

upon realizing his miami

home was being raided by a Colombian drug cartel, he got up from his desk, went over to his gun cabinet, and removed a sub-machine gun. Girard was quoted at the scene, "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 4, 2006 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Let's not evaluate Girardi through rose-colored

glasses. Something went horribly amiss in Florida. And I'm not about to neatly chalk up the whole incident to an a-hole owner who only several months ago was best buddies with Girardi. When a top flight GM like Larry Beinfast craps over Girardi, that gets my attention.

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions

is that really your opinion?

i couldn't tell by the 11 other times you posted it. why don't you start your own website, post the 7 opinions you repeatedly post in every thread here (pierre is 99% to come back, giardi shouldn't manage because he couldn't get along with the genius that is Beinfest, the candidates to replace Baker are Fregosi, Pinella and Brenly, etc), and just link to your website whenver you feel like people aren't thinking the exact same as you.

It would save you from having to type the same thing over and over. It would also save us from reading the vomit that is your posts every day in every thread.

by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions