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Class Is Now In Session

Everyone paying attention? Good.

What did we learn today?

  • Angel Guzman is not a major league pitcher.
  • Neither is Glendon Rusch.
  • You shouldn't throw a live ball at an umpire.
  • You shouldn't throw a live ball into the dugout.
  • And, maybe when the score is 8-2 and it's raining pretty hard, the umpires should just call it a day.
The Cubs lost 10-5 to the Padres this afternoon, their twelfth loss in their last fourteen games.

And on a day when it was 43 degrees at game time -- and despite wearing gloves, my fingers were so cold that I was having trouble scoring in the middle innings, and it got worse when I accidentally dropped the scorecard on the wet bench in front of me -- why is it that the pitchers just absolutely, positively refused to throw strikes?

The first two innings took an hour. Angel Guzman threw EIGHTY-SEVEN pitches in THREE INNINGS. (WGN Radio reported 88, but the boxscore says 87.) The Cub pitchers totalled 188 pitches, and the Padre hurlers 168 -- a ridiculous total of 356 pitches, 219 of which were strikes, only 61.5%.

Guzman hit Dave Roberts leading off the game, and even though he gave up only one run in that inning, it was all downhill from there. Yes, even though the Cubs briefly took a 2-1 lead -- on Guzman's deep RBI double to deep center field, just after I said to Jeff, "Isn't he about the worst-looking pitcher at the plate ever?"

Now, if I could make the rest of the team hit by saying those things, I'd be saying so after just about every batter. Howard showed up late, after changing his plans a couple of times, and by the time he sat down, he had written "Ronny" on about three different lines on his scorecard. If only that would have made the rest of those players do something as boneheaded as Cedeno did in the fifth inning -- throwing a live ball in the path of an umpire, who wisely let it drop, allowing two runners to advance.

It was scored an error, but we figured we'd invent a new scoring notation for that: BF (Brain Fart), or maybe BC (Brain Cramp), for something not quite as bad as a brain fart.

It was contagious. Three batters later Neifi Perez threw a ball on which he had ZERO chance of a double play almost into the seats, allowing a run to score. The third error of the Padres' five-run fifth was a tough one, given to Matt Murton for attempting a catch on a sinking line drive. Sitting right behind it, I can tell you that Murton made a good effort and it was NOT an easy play, and could easily have been scored a hit.

The effect of it was the same -- a run, except with an error charged, it wound up being an unearned run instead of an earned run to Glendon Rusch's awful pitching line (SEVEN hits and a walk in an inning and two-thirds).

See, here's the problem. I read some of your comments -- DFA Rusch, etc. That's just not possible at this time of the season. Reasonable though that may be, no team is going to eat that much of a contract. It occurs to me that the possibility exists that Rusch might be hiding an injury -- this is about how badly Joe Borowski was throwing in 2004 before he finally admitted he was hurt.

I also read some of your game thread comments about Michael Barrett's little tiff with Dave Roberts, which resulted in the Padres bench spilling onto the field briefly, and all four umpires pulling Barrett aside to calm him down.

Listening to the postgame show, Dave Kaplan was saying how that at least showed that someone had some fire in him. Maybe it was misguided, but I agree with Kaplan. Some of you say it shows the Cubs have lost control, but I don't see it that way. Not saying that players should take it to each other every day, but at least Barrett showed that he was taking an interest in the game and not letting the other team walk all over him. You may remember this 2004 game against the Astros where Barrett got into it with Roy Oswalt, and some will say that's what galvanized the Astros to the playoffs that year.

Something has to happen. And to me, a wholesale dumping of players and the coaching staff right now isn't the answer. I have advocated, and will continue to advocate, the replacement of Larry Rothschild, and Dusty's "good old boy" network of Gene Clines, Gary Matthews and Sonny Jackson, all of whom are, I believe, holding this team back.

And, it is a crime that Ryan Theriot wasn't in the starting lineup today. This is Restovich Syndrome all over again -- get a young guy who might be able to play on the roster, and don't give him a chance. At some point, I think Jim Hendry is simply going to have to order Baker to play these guys.

It is still too early to wholesale-quit on the 2006 season. Yes, the club looks awful. Yes, they are a pretty good distance out of first place -- eight games, pending the Philadelphia/Cincinnati result tonight -- but again, we have one hundred and twenty-seven games left.

And eventually, it will warm up. Man, was it cold today. Pat Hughes apparently said there were about 25,000 in the stands today. That's way off -- couldn't have been more than 20,000 at most, despite the announced 39,245. The bleachers were about 85% full, although I could see people streaming out the Waveland Avenue exit as early as the fourth inning.

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But sadly
come tomorrow morn, both Guzman and Rusch will still be on the ML roster. Oh sure, Guzman may go up and down a few times, Rusch may be relegated to long man, short man, or I-get-to-pitch-only-when-the-game-is-out-of-reach man. But they will never really go away.

My faith in Hendry is completely gone. And DON'T lecture me about making a move for the sake of making a move (Al, I'm looking at you). Bringing up the Bad News Bears would be in improvement at this point.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 12, 2006 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

But here's the thing.
You are still a Cub fan, right? Maybe your faith has been shaken.

But this is something we're born to, and at least for me, I don't want to give it up.

Yes, it looks absolutely bleak. Just don't stop being a fan.

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2006 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still here
ain't I? (okay, so that was bad grammar) But it's okay to be a really @$#@ ticked off fan, isn't it?
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 12, 2006 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say it's ok
I'm in that same boat with you.

I'm not going to drink the koolaid and say that this season is OVER quite yet. But I will say that this season will be over very soon, if Cubs management doesn't do something fast. Being passive and waiting for players to come around isn't going to win us any games.

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 12, 2006 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
... it's damn tough right now, and yes, a team in a rut like this absolutely, positively needs to be shaken up in some way.

I think we simply don't all agree on what that shakeup should entail.

by Al Yellon on May 12, 2006 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

nuclear weapons?
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 12, 2006 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll suggest a change
Wholesale change...start with the entire coaching staff, from Dusty on down.  Since the reality is that Hendry is here for a while, let's give him a second chance to build a real team.

Fire all the talent scouts and all managers, trainers, and coaches from rookie league through triple-A (except, maybe, for the pitching coaches, who have done a decent job).  How many major league position players have the Cubs developed in the last 5 years?  Zero.  Of course, the Cubs are either first or second in the majors as far as the number of pitchers in the majors that started in the Cubs organization.

Later this year, go into Florida Marlins fire sale mode and dump everyone with trade value.  Re-start from the ground up and see where that gets us.  The current plan isn't working, so find a new plan.

by SiValleyCubFan on May 12, 2006 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No No No
drinking the Kool Aid means that you think everything is fine. It's when you STOP drinking the Kool Aid that you see this team for what it reallly is, kind of like when Neo chose the red pill.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 12, 2006 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always thought
"drinking the Koolaid" meant subscribing to whatever thought was fashionable at the time...

Anyways, you know where I was going with that.

Any Family Guy watchers here?

"Oh no!" "Oh no!" "Oh no!"
"OH YEAH!!!".....(backs away slowly)

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 12, 2006 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly, most "drinking the kool aid"
in the Jim Jones crowd knew what they were doing or were doing so at gun point. I feel in many ways I'm being held at gun point as I watch this team flounder the way it is... but you know, I knew what I was doing when I got involved. Fortunately for us all, baseball is trivial, and we can hope for a "someday" that better than what we're looking at. So blow it up, get some young talent, get some fresh coaches, let these guys all go to teams that need them and let them win... just somebody build us a team that the fans can watch.
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. - George Will

by stelmodad on May 13, 2006 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had no idea
what I was getting into when I used one simple phrase.
--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 13, 2006 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

DUDE
Learn the Kool-Aid lingo.
"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg, July 31, 2005, Cooperstown, NY

by Tom @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

so am i
and let me tell you, you can be a fan and still admit that this team sucks and has less than no chance at anything. they're a longshot to hit 82-82.

a loss like this -- and 12 losses in 14 games -- tells you something about a team.

if you thought they were good at the start of the year, you were just plain wrong.

if you thought they were playoff ready -- and i don't know if anyone here actually thought that -- you were horribly wrong.

and if you thought they were a .500 club, the jury's still out on you -- but eight jurors are working on the other four to convict.

1060west tastes good, like a cigarette should.

by gaius marius on May 12, 2006 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoops!
81-81, of course. :)
1060west tastes good, like a cigarette should.

by gaius marius on May 12, 2006 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Je ne comprends pas...
comment dit en anglais 'sans liberte de blamer, il n'est point d'eloge flatteur?'

Est-ce que c'est 'without liberty to blame, there's no point in...?' Je ne sais pas.  Vous etes trop intelligent pour moi.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 12, 2006 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's actually
the slogan of le figaro, one of the two great parisian dailies, which i read as

"without freedom to criticize, there can be no meaningful praise."

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

D'accord
Je suis en accord con cette interpretation.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the translation.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 13, 2006 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll take 82-82
that means we somehow slipped into the playoffs this year as a wildcard, and are coming back home with the series tied.

We're probably playing the Mets, so Santo should be happy that we went into New York and stole one.

We would've one the other one, too, if stupid Baker had brought Clement in to close instead of Veres.

by tomas21 on May 13, 2006 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...
...it would mean that we were in a 3-way tie for a playoff spot at 81-81.  We then won the first tie-breaker, and then lost the second and missed the playoffs :-(.

by jolietconvict on May 13, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

True dat, gauis
true dat.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 12, 2006 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rebuttal
Dude, after Opening Day I was jumping around at my office job saying, "We've FINALLY got a leadoff hitter!", and when the weekend came around we swept the Cardinals.  So even though we've just completed two weeks of really tough baseball, I'm still surprised at what a change it is from the start of the season.

A change, really, that seems connected with that darn wristbreak.

...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on May 12, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ditto...
...your sentiments Al.

by koramcub on May 12, 2006 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al
I have the highest respect for you and your work and the dedication to all things Cub. But there are some things that seem to be resolved.

"But this is something we're born to, and at least for me, I don't want to give it up."

I wasn't born to it just as many others weren't. We chose it. The great majority never plan on giving up our their love for the Cubs. However, we see terrible mismanagement of the team and the overall philosophy that directs the team. Please, never, never, never equate that with giving up our feeling for the Cubs. And I, and I'm certain, many others, enjoy being instructed that by insisting that changes need to be taken now, not at midseason, that our insistence equates with giving up on the team. While it's possible to see the team turn things around, the probability of this team making the playoffs are probable less than 2%. It's utterly foolish to base our current decisions on that low degeree of probability.

"Yes, it looks absolutely bleak. Just don't stop being a fan."

We fans need to be pragmatic. That means insisting that we look to the future. It doesn't mean that we accept the plan that was put forth by management is acceptable to us. If we do that, we will never have a future. It means that next year we'll be facing the same tired promises and see the same poor results.

You suggest that essentially all of Baker's staff be fired and Bynum and Rusch be offed and Theriot be started. In my mind, you're saying that the decisions made were terrible. Do you suggest that we have a minor problem with decision making or a basic failure of competence?

It's time to cut bait. It's time to fire Baker. It's time to fire Hendry. If money weren't an issue, would you disagree. If truth be accepted, we need to cut our losses and start with new management. This crew isn't getting the job done and we aren't headed in the right direction.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 12, 2006 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

well said
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ever since that 16-2 loss...
...our Cubbies have probably performed more poorly than any other team.  Let's face it, if we're going to have a RESPECTABLE season, we're gonna have to be patient and wait for the higher-profile to come back.  You can't survive in the NL Central with three rookies in your starting rotation.

But man, what's with the really poor hitting???  An absolute deviation from the last five years.

...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on May 12, 2006 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

dumping baker's staff?
and then baker is still on the premises, just so hendry can "order" him to play theriot? does not seem terribly likely to play out like that, does it?

it is far too soon for hendry to admit he "might" have erred by singing jones to a 3 year deal, but 3.25 years of baker out of 4 ought to be enough, don't you think? or is hendry merely treating baker as the firewall- as long as baker is still around, the clock is not ticking on hendry's exit? which would mean the tribune would have to fess up to a premature extension of hendry? man o man some fridays just seem like mondays...

by dc60123 @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

still a fan here in Nashville
It must be tougher though in Chicago to stay true to the Cubs right now.  All of you have my great respect for hanging in there, especially after being acosted at Midway recently by some baggage lacky for wearing the cap that I prefer.

by Cajuncub on May 12, 2006 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

My husband
just came up with the best knickame for Rusch:

"The Exacerbator"

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 12, 2006 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Your husband
has my gratitude. That's frelling hilarious.

by helen on May 13, 2006 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

life wasted?
how many people lived their lives thinking, "oh they'll win soon, definately in my lifetime." and all they do is show incompetence.  At least the Bulls rebuilt, and can compete.  I really do not think this ownership is interested in gettting any better than a full park.  And in any other realm of life it would be disgusting to support that mindset, but for some reason here its romanticized.  "For every winter there's a spring time ahead."  Unfortunately Cubs Winters seem to run as long as Chicago winters.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

See? See?
It's not just a game, people. We are talking about WASTED LIVES here!

lol

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 12, 2006 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

dammit
i was quoting two songs, neither of which anyone picked up on.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
I was thinking about that today, and I was trying to decide if being a young Cubs fan was a good thing.  After they lost, I thought I was going to waste my life being a fan of this team.   Now, I'm pretty sure that being a young fan is good.  I will see them win. I'm probably the 10 millionth person to say that, but the odds have got to turn.  I still can't figure out why they haven't changed already though.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 12, 2006 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

the odds have got to turn
"I still can't figure out why they haven't changed already though."

I can't really answer that pre-tribco, but since they bought the team it is easy to figure out.

Imagine you own a manufacturing company.  "widgetco" does very well financially, but the seems to be a flaw wherein the widgets never actually work the way they're supposed to.  

You're already running three shifts and there is no profitable way    to increase production numbers so you are maxed out at 3.2 million widgets a year.

You still sell out your inventory every year despite the fact you have been raising prices at about 8% a year.  You even opened your own distributorship and divert forty percent of the widgets there so you can charge and extra 120% per widget due to limited availability.

Now, as we established, there is an inherent flaw in the widgets.  You have figured out how to potentially fix the problem but it will add 30% to the cost of goods sold, but you cannot recoup the difference by raising the sales price even higher.

Is it worth it to actually fix the widgets when it will actually cost money in the long run?

by pwhalen on May 12, 2006 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
I would work my butt off and figure out a way to lower that 30%.  I would start another business to cover the costs of that, and then I would be fine.  I would fix the Widgets because I'm sure my customers would be calling constantly and I don't have the time to deal with them, and I'm an honest person. I always like to do the best I can, so I would fix them.

How greedy is the Trib?  This is something I don't understand either.  Do they know how much money they would make if they had a champion and a division winner out there every year? AND in Wrigley? They would be able to rob people so much money with their Wrigley Premium crap. Wrigley would be the best place to watch baseball.  Wrigley would be soo popular everyone would want to advertise there.  How can the Cubs not bring in more money? How much money do they make per year?    Is there no difference in how much money they would make with a World Series champion than with a perennial loser?

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 13, 2006 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

the odds have got to turn
"I still can't figure out why they haven't changed already though."

I can't really answer that pre-tribco, but since they bought the team it is easy to figure out.

Imagine you own a manufacturing company.  "widgetco" does very well financially, but the seems to be a flaw wherein the widgets never actually work the way they're supposed to.  

You're already running three shifts and there is no profitable way    to increase production numbers so you are maxed out at 3.2 million widgets a year.

You still sell out your inventory every year despite the fact you have been raising prices at about 8% a year.  You even opened your own distributorship and divert forty percent of the widgets there so you can charge and extra 120% per widget due to limited availability.

Now, as we established, there is an inherent flaw in the widgets.  You have figured out how to potentially fix the problem but it will add 30% to the cost of goods sold, but you cannot recoup the difference by raising the sales price even higher.

Is it worth it to actually fix the widgets when it will actually cost money in the long run?

by pwhalen on May 12, 2006 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

precisely
this club will be a loser for the forseeable future under tribco.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re
No, you don't change the design of the widgets unless you believe your not doing so will eventually lead to a decline in sales that exceeds the cost of changing.

The market has told you your widgets are good enough.  In fact, it has said you could actually make them with even less quality and you'd still be in business.

TribCo is selling Wrigley Field.  If they happen to stumble into a situation where their baseball operations also make the playoffs, well, that's just icing on the cake.  But until sales of the core competency - the Wrigley Field experience - is impacted by their periferal (sp?) activity - winning baseball - they have absolutely no incentive to change their approach.

by Jed Taylor on May 13, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silly!
No wholesale firing, but fire Larry Rothschild, Gene Clines, Gary Matthews and Sonny Jackson.

I guess halfsale changes are in order.

by Ivychat on May 12, 2006 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

why do they need to win?
the sad truth of it folks, is we are lemmings.
and i'm a big one myself, i purchased my 42 tickets as soon as they went online, and was mad that i couldn't buy more!
i'm your typical cub fan, i'm hooked on these rotten bastards!
until we learn to stay away from this wonderful place, and make this uncaring, ungrateful, rich, rotten owner hurt in the pocket book... we will continue to loose.
they dont care about us, they care about money. we take the money away from them and they will have to respond.
the sad thing is, i love going to the park, i love taking my friends to the park, and i love booing the shit out of these rotten, uncaring  bastards.
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on May 12, 2006 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed
i'm happy to say that, after attending 58 games in 1998, i haven't bought more than two tickets a year from the box office since 2002.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's your personal choice...
... I won't criticize you for it.

In the same way, don't criticize others for making a different choice.

Your slogan, translated above, is indeed meaningful. Just because you have the freedom to criticize, does not mean you must do so continuously without giving praise where warranted.

by Al Yellon on May 13, 2006 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

what find you to praise in this?
a century without a ring? 60 years without a pennant? indeed, 70 years since an era of consistent quality and sustainable first-division competition?

you've convinced me that you don't know the meaning of warranted praise, sir. you would praise a trained toddler for messing her pants simply because she didn't get a bowel obstruction.

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa
hey gaius, you know I usually agree with you about Dusty and the team sucking and all, but the personal attacks aren't warranted. It's bush league and Chuck-esque.

I, for one, love Al's eternal optimism as much as I love your blunt declarations of the reality of the state of this team. It's not like he's talking about how well they're playing.

If you guys didn't feel somewhat similar in your love for this team, you would have given up long ago. Has this franchise been an exercise in futility for many decades? Maybe. But there's been a lot of joy along the way, too.

We're all frustrated. Just don't get personal.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.
... this is the problem I have with those sorts of comments. They are indeed exactly what you say they are.

I know very well what the reality of this team is -- on this date, May 13, 2006.

A month from now it may be very different. Smug declarations of "it's done", which to me serve only to justify the commenter's posted thoughts of earlier in which he said this season was lost before it began, serve NO purpose.

Julie, you're right. We ARE all frustrated. But do I want that to suck the joy out of enjoying something out of this baseball season?

No way. Nor will I let the naysayers do that to me. Don't you let it do it to you, either.

by Al Yellon on May 13, 2006 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

not smug
  1. disappointed.
  2. that the course of events have largely borne out what i said earlier should not confuse you, sir, into thinking that talking about the reality now constitutes blowing my own horn. you may not like it, but i happened to be right in saying that this team wasn't any good. saying that they aren't any good is now only being honest, not self-promoting.
  3. talking about the reality of things ALWAYS has purpose, unless you're a rote escapist who negates the fullness of life and the world for fear of its occasional ugliness.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

nothing personal intended
it's simply that i've rarely seem al offer "warrented" criticism -- and i feel that must be the result of us having very different definitions of warranted.

i love reasoned optimism, julie -- nothing better, and i eagerly await the day when reasoned optimism has a view on this club.

it's groundless fantasy optimism that i see as destructive and deserving of scorn.

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well,
go "scorn" someone on your own site.

You know the tenor of this site. You've seen Al's numerous pleas to keep it civil. We all know what your views are, many of us agree with you, but I don't think many of us would sit idly by and let you attack Al like that.

I've spent as much time on this site defending you as anyone, but that went over the line.

Now say you are sorry, and let's move on.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i stand by my point
but apologize if its expression was found too sharp.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll accept that
it wasn't your point I took issue with.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you
you're one of the lights of this page, julie. :)
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awww, gaius
I love those warm, fuzzy moments from you
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i hope because
they are well-earned. :)
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly right...
... we have different definitions of "warranted", and it is not your place to tell me what my opinion should be.

I don't agree with many of your opinions, gaius, as you know. But I NEVER tell you that you don't have the right to them.

Nor have I resorted to the condescending manner in which you treat me and other posters on this site.

I ask you again to be civil.

by Al Yellon on May 13, 2006 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Way to go, gauis
those funds that you withheld from the Cubs probably prevented us from getting Furcal.

I hope you are proud of yourself.

;)

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol
they say that an addict needs to hit rock bottom.

1998 was rock bottom. i was in full naive hysteria.

by 2000, i had learned a lot about what makes the team go -- or rather, not go.

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's my fault
I shaved my goatee the night before the losing streak started.
I'll grow it back, starting tonight. Mark my words: The Cubs will start winning, as of tomorrow.
My bad.
"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg, July 31, 2005, Cooperstown, NY

by Tom @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

ughh
  Changes must be made and made soon, I agree..  But comeon look at our rotation... On the radio I heard someone describe it best "A 40 year old 3 rookies and a mental case"  And no D-Lee is huge.. huge..  It's only May 12 but things aren't looking good right at the moment.  Rant start here:   I'm losing patience with Dusty and that entire crack-head staff of his quickly this season.  I'm tired of the same mistakes every season and lack of discipline at the plate. Dusty doesn't need to kick over table which might help but he needs to show some... some.. fire, damit, for lack of betters words.  Call out some people who are screwing up every now and then.  They're men and can handle it.  No, you have to be that "players manager" and defend your players no matter what bone-head things they do on the field everyday.  Yes, clean house of the bums around Dusty and then if that doesn't work out then Dusty himself.  There's a ton a games remaining and we aren't buried yet thankfully so let's get it together..  Go Cubs!

by NorthernLights1972 on May 12, 2006 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Right on
And, maybe when the score is 8-2 and it's raining pretty hard, the umpires should just call it a day.

Yeah, that about sums it up.

I'm not saying fire anybody.  I'm not saying anything specific.  But I think...and is there anyone who disagrees with the following statement?

Something dramatic needs to be done.

Again, I don't know what that is, but I think the worst strategy would be to let this continue.  I know it's a marathon, but even a marathon runner can make adjustments mid-race and still win.

by Sidd Finch @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Nuclear weapons?
"I think we should take off and nuke the place from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure."

by Sidd Finch @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 12, 2006 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I said that
in the first few minutes of that movie, first time I saw it. It took 'em waaaaaay too long to listen then, too.

by helen on May 13, 2006 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want Lou Piniella
he could be the next Leo Durocher. we need an ass-kickin manager. no more mister nice guy crap

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on May 12, 2006 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

"we need an ass-kickin manager. no more
mister nice guy crap"

How about Buddy Ryan.  Sure, he probably doesn't know anything about baseball, but how far behind Dusty does that really make him?  Plus, anyone who would punch out the offensive coordinator in-game would certainly make things interesting.  

It would at least keep Rothschild and Clines on their toes.

by pwhalen on May 12, 2006 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just bring in....
....the actor that played manager Lou Brown in Major League.

Seriously, does anyone doubt that this would work?  I mean, everyone's seen that movie, and that dude (James Gammon - thank you IMDB) has crusty baseball manager written all over him.  He could come in there, throw around some food, walk around naked.....

He could tell Pierre - "You may run like Mayes, but you hit like *$&@!"

He could advise Kerry Wood - "Forget about the curve ball, Kerry, give'em the heater."

Hell, he could obtain a naked picture of Dennis FitzSimon's wife and use it to spur the team to victory.

Honestly, does a baseball manager matter that much? I'd like someone to stir the pot a little....hire some better coaches (like a hitting coach that stresses selectivity at the plate), let one of them set the lineup, and then let James Gammon do his thing.

Or we could fire Dusty and Hendry (won't happen thanks to that extension - damn I wish the Cubs had held back on that one), hire Steve Stone to be the GM (where he belongs), and bring in Lou Pinella, or Jack McKeon, or somebody to get this team to play better.

Dusty, I love you for 2003, and always will.  But don't let the door it you on the way out....

by Chadnudj on May 12, 2006 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure...
...what the point of firing the entire coaching staff would be without firing the manager?  How's Baker going to react if you can his whole coaching staff?  Meanwhile HOU, STL, and MIL all won.

by jolietconvict on May 12, 2006 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I watched...
a good game today.  If it wasn't for Paul Konerko, I would've watched an even better pitching performance from Johan.  He was awesome.  Will the twins ever trade him?  Maybe we can send them Aramis, Pie, and...and...Jacque Jones? I can dream right?

I was screaming after the Cubs game, and then my dad told me he would never be a die-hard fan of any team because he didn't want to go crazy too.  I feel bad for the Cubs.  It must suck to be the ones playing and lose all the time, but if it was me I would do something about it.  I probably shouldn't feel sorry for them, but I do.  I can't help it.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 12, 2006 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Would somebody get...
Sparkles a uniform?  

I've never played pro sports, but why don't the boys in blue have her passion?

Languishing in Card Country.

by evillecubman on May 12, 2006 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diehard
This team is really struggling right now especially with the lineup being juggled every day. But I've watched Dusty Baker manage the Giants through the years and he has been very lucky during his career. (Just the fact he has a job managing making millions a season speaks for itself.)

In 2002, the year the Giants went to the WS, they looked hopeless in July. They traded for Lofton at the ASB and he seemed to give the club a big lift late in the season and they got hot at the right time. The same same thing happened to the Cubs when they got him.

Baseball is a game of inches and peaks and valleys, and as long as they aren't over 10 games out at the ASB, there is still hope. Stranger things have happened!

by Ernieboy on May 12, 2006 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmmm....
I didn't get to listen to the game today.

I've been lucky to listen to most of the games this year.

There were times when there was a lot of spark in this team. Some individuals on the team have shown some good stuff at times.

I don't know the stats and numbers of historic teams that have come back from this kind of deficit. I don't know the specific ins an outs of coming back from 8 or 9 or 10 games back. I don't know how many wins a team needs in a season to get to the playoffs.

But really, those statistics are just that.

I do know that the Cubs swept the Cards. They did that very well. That was a great series.

For me though, it comes down to the game of baseball.

I really like baseball. A lot. Recently, more than I ever have before.

I want the Cubs to go all the way. I want my dad, who used to hop trains to see Iowa Cubs games in Des Moines when he was 10 years old, to see the Cubs win the series before he dies, which could very well be soon. But maybe he won't.

My dad's not going to hate Dusty Baker on his death bed if the Cubs haven't won a World Series.

That's not the point.

Baseball is what it is, win or lose. The team you pick as your favorite team is just that, the team you pick.

Yes, it would be great -- wonderful, even-- if the Cubs won the series.

You know what though, it's baseball.

Going to a game in Wrigley is a wonderful experience. If I could live in Chicago, I would be at that park weekly.

I hope to get there again this summer. I hope to get my dad tickets there, too. He's never been to Wrigley. I doubt he would be too hurt if they lost the game.

If they lose, I'm not going to get too upset about it. Neither is my dad. We like baseball. I listen to the games on the internet radio because I like the sound of baseball. When I can watch the games, I watch them because I like the look of baseball.

When my little league team got creamed week after week, it didn't matter. I got to play baseball. My dad got to watch. It was fun.

This is, after all, a game.

It's more fun to watch (or listen to) than any other game that I can think of. (I will probably follow the World Cup, though).

There is still a chance that the Cubs will make it to the playoffs. There is even still a chance that they could win the series. Odds are they won't. But really, one team will win the Series, all the other fans of teams that didn't win it all will be upset about this.

I'm rambling...

I apologize.

phat

by phatass on May 13, 2006 12:05 AM CDT reply actions  

very true
Well said.
--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 13, 2006 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

A few things
First, for those advocating Lou Pinella...it ain't gonna happen. Steve Stone was on WSCR yesterday and Pinella was raised. Stone said that, back in 1995, he had a conversation with Andy MacPhail and Pinella came up. MacPhail said that, as long as he was running the Cubs organization, Lou Pinella would not be a part of it. There was no explaination of why and Stone said that perhaps MacPhail has changed his mind, however, as he put it, in baseball, there are those people who like Pinella and those who don't. Andy MacPhail is not one of the people who likes Pinella.

I was listening to Sportscentral for a little while tonight. I got in the car to hear David Kaplan in mid-diatribe. He was totally railing on Rothschild and Clines. He talked of the horrible hitting philosophy of the team for years now. He talked of the fact that no pitchers have done better under Rothschild (I believe that a few have, however far too many have failed under him). Kaplan came out and said that Hendry needed to call Baker into his office and on Monday, the team's next off day, make a change and fire Clines and Rothschild. Kaplan is a Baker fan, so he didn't advocate firing Dusty. Some feel that Kaplan is a mouthpiece for the Cubs and we've seen the Cubs use the media to, shall we say sully the reputation of individuals before cutting them loose. I'm not sure if Kaplan is doing this to soften the ground, however while I think Baker needs to go, it is time, RIGHT NOW to fire Rothschild, Clines, Jackson and Matthews.

DmL

by dmlichte on May 13, 2006 12:17 AM CDT reply actions  

well observed
i agree -- kaplan could well be telegraphing the intentions of the team.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

the season is over
There is just no way the Cubs are going to do anything this year.  Although Wood pitched ok tonight there is no guarantee he can stay healthy once he comes back.  There is no word on when Pryor will even pitch a couple of rehab assignments.  Zambrano pitched a nice game, but I think we have to see a few more good starts from him.  Maddux is Maddux and will probably pitch more games like his last two starts.  They still play bad fundamental baseball.  They still don't get on base. While it hurt to lose Lee, how much better would they possibly be with him?  A couple of games better?

It is always easy to blame the manager, but I am not sure with the talent that is there right now, how much better any one else could do.

While Baker is not a great handler of pitching there isn't much he can do with what he has right now.  He certainly can't hit for his players.

While Hendry had made some decent trades and pick ups, he has not done enough.  The farm system has to be one of the worst in baseball.  Discounting pitching, is there anyone playing on any major leage team that has actually started in the Cub system.  I will give you Cedno and Patterson, although Patterson is barely playing.  

Face this theam is just not very well constructed.

by sanman on May 13, 2006 12:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Who is to blame
As long as it looks like the players are going out there and busting their butts every day, I am not going to indict any of them.  They may all suck individually and collectively, but I'm not going to advocate booing them unless they aren't giving their all, and I don't see any signs of that right now.  As soon as any players start to slack off, then they can be held responsible, but I think that if they suck, why should we boo them if they're giving 100%?  They're playing the best that they can; if they can't produce with their best effort, that's more of a reflection of the management that put the team together.

So I guess I'm saying that it's fine to be pissed of at Cubs management, but don't hold it against the players until the start acting like they don't care.  If that happens, then I'm sure there will be some sort of Cub fan mutiny.  I don't see it yet.  Right now they just suck.  They're not losing because they're not trying, however.  Maybe getting rid of Dusty and the entire coaching staff will solve the problem; it certainly couldn't hurt.  But I'm not going to agree with anyone who says that guys like Maddux, Barrett, Zambrano, Walker, and Dempster are not out there trying to win, because they are.  They have too much pride to do anything less.  If you're unhappy with the way the team is constituted, write letters to the Tribune, but don't boo the players unless they stop giving maximum effort.  We as fans may not like what has been put on the field, but as Coach Norman Dale said to the Hickory fans in Hoosiers, "this is your team."  They may suck, but they're still wearing the Cub uniform, and, at least for me, that makes them deserving of my support.

by gauchodirk on May 13, 2006 12:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Hear, hear.
I don't see anyone not giving maximum effort, either. Maybe that effort isn't enough given their talent.

But there are no Corey Pattersons out there this year not caring.

Losing and slumps always make things look worse than they are.

Continued calls here for Hendry's firing -- what purpose does that serve? He just got a two-year contract extension. You think higher management is going to go back on that a month after they gave it?

Maybe it makes you feel better to call for that, but it simply isn't going to happen.

Further, the constant calls here for Lou Piniella (that's P I N I E L L A) are just plain silly. If Piniella's so wonderful, why aren't there teams lined up to sign him? Further, as Josh from LA pointed out the other day, signing Lou would basically be Dusty Baker if all his players hated him. His in-game strategies are almost identical. In a month we'd all be screaming for HIS head.

Have a LITTLE patience, people. There are injured players returning, one of them as early as next Wednesday.

Someone mentioned the 2002 Giants, Baker's WS team. On July 28 of that year, they were 57-47, third, six games out. That day, they acquired Kenny Lofton, and went 38-19 from that day. In fact, as late as August 18 they were still only 10 games over .500, 11 games out of first place and four out of the wild card.

I know it not only SEEMS awful right now, it IS awful.

Give it till June, at least.

by Al Yellon on May 13, 2006 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

why?
Give it till June, at least.

for what purpose? we all know. why deny it?

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think that's just it
As long as it looks like the players are going out there and busting their butts every day

they aren't. this team has given up. you can read it in their body language (except the rookies, i would say). it's done.

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't get me wrong
some of them are professionals and are working. but the heart is out of it.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

So a month from now...
... IF there is an acquisition or two made, and IF Kerry Wood pitches like the 2003 version, and IF the Cubs go on a winning streak and look like a contender again...

will you admit that you're wrong?

I realize that's a lot of ifs.

But does it make you happy to be smug and say "it's done", just so you can say you said so? Does that make you a happier fan?

Seriously. What makes you tick? I can't figure it out.

by Al Yellon on May 13, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

of course
i would always leave open the possibility that we'll all die under a hail of fiery meteors, too.

you can't figure what makes me tick because you're projecting your personality onto me, al. you're attempting to conceive of what would motivate YOU to say the things i say. that will never be a sufficient analysis.

you claim i'm being smug in saying these things because you would have to feel smug and self-satisfied in order to say them.

i'm not. i'm trying to be as honest and evidenciary as possible. that i happened to be right about some things i said before has little enough to do with that -- except that in order to get it right i was well served by being as honest and evidenciary as possible.

so perhaps you can see that to try to get it right about what's coming and what could be done -- to speak and act with foresight -- is why i'm saying what i'm saying now.

and not out of some misguided and deeply frightened notion that personal positivity in isolation of difficult truths is the only method of survival in a cruel and misbegotten world -- or a break with that positivity that leads to countervailing and equally strong emotionalisms like anger or depression.

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you guys
want me to create a diary for this argument?
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol -- decidedly not
i'm going to spend this weekend loving my grandmother, mother, wife and daughter -- investing far-sighted optimism where it is truly merited. :)

have a good one, folks. let's hope they win a couple in spite of themselves.

1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

And for the privilege of watching this team
Cub fans get to pay the second highest ticket prices in the majors. I loved Dusty's explanation on why when Barret got into with the Padres and they all came out of the dugout and the Cubs stayed in their dugout because they could not hear what Barret was yelling. The umpires obviously noticed this lack of support for Barret and stepped in to save him from a 1 on 25 fight. Just when you think it can not go any lower it does. Sad so very sad.

by jimhickman on May 13, 2006 6:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes...
you just have to revel in the ineptitude.
"A hot dog at the ball park is better than steak at the Ritz." -- Humphrey Bogart

by hokie316 on May 13, 2006 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I've had it with Dusty.
Batting Perez second in the lineup was the last straw for me. Fire Dusty and all the coaches. Get the young players out there. At least it's understandable for them to make boneheaded plays from time to time. They'll learn from it and not give up because they're playing for a chance at the big leagues. Where's The Riot? Where's Restovitch? Where's Pie? Get them out on the field. Start them. Stick with Guzman and Marshall and Hill. Let's watch them develop and hope. Something that's missing for me right now.

by teacher tom on May 13, 2006 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

On that note
Why was Murton batting so low in the order? The guy had the 2nd best BA out of yesterday's starters (Walker sat and Lee, well...) - but you stick someone with a .230 OBP in the 2 spot??

That is stupid managing, and that is not giving your team a real chance to win. In my opinion.

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 13, 2006 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bah!
No "In Dusty we Trusty" shirt for your for Xmas this year, elscorcho.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 13, 2006 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Humbug!
I'm getting an Orange Guy shirt for X-mas this year.

I haven't given up, it just kills me to see decisions like this. To Dusty's credit, at least he left Gas Pump Bynum on the bench yesterday.

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 13, 2006 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will say
that at least this team still looks like they're trying (albeit TOO hard at times.)

Felipe Alou got hit with that one last night (can you guess which player didn't run out the popup which was actually dropped?)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aknf.CQSCXeMiYiWLkd5Iq0RvLYF?slug=jp-barrybonds051206&prov =yhoo&type=lgns

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 13, 2006 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Bynumb shouldn't even be in the dugout.
What's worse is I find myself scrolling for Gaius comments. Misery loves company.

by teacher tom on May 13, 2006 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

You're right about Bynum....
... on the second half of your comment, I have no comment!

by Al Yellon on May 13, 2006 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry
i wanted all this as little as you did. but what we want doesn't change what they are.
1060west -- sans libert? de bl?mer, il n'est point d'?loge flatteur.

by gaius marius on May 13, 2006 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your just now...
...asking this question?

"why is it that the pitchers just absolutely, positively refused to throw strikes"?

cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on May 13, 2006 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

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