Funny, He Doesn't Look Drewish

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 10:08 AM CDT in Recaps Comment 208 comments

PHOENIX -- Stephen Drew, who is neither by temperament nor ability anything like his big brother J. D., was a one-man wrecking crew last night as the Cubs lost game one of the Division Series to the Diamondbacks 3-1.

Drew's monstrous home run (432 feet, OVER the swimming pool) gave Arizona the lead 1-0 in the fourth inning; it was the only mistake Carlos Zambrano made in throwing six strong innings.

Six. And a lot of you, in this diary, debated whether Z should have been sent out to start the seventh. Z tried to convince Lou to let him:

Cruising along through six innings, Carlos Zambrano tried to talk Lou Piniella into sending him back out for the seventh.

"I said, 'Let me pitch one more,"' Zambrano said. "And he said, 'That's enough.' He's the manager."

Yes, I am well aware that each win, each loss, is magnified in a short series, more so in these five-game division series, and perhaps Lou made a mistake by "looking ahead". But at the time, I agreed with the move. Carlos Marmol has been pretty much lights-out all season. If he'd have been so again last night, not a single one of you would have complained about this move. Instead, Marmol gave up a HR to D'backs 3B Mark Reynolds, the first batter he faced, then issued a walk, a double to Augie Ojeda, of all people, and the third run scored on a sacrifice fly (give Jacque Jones credit, he made a pretty good throw, although he had little chance of getting Chris Snyder).

All of this doesn't mean much, because the Cubs' offense went back to its bad old early-season ways -- leaving eight men on base in the first six innings, including leaving the bases loaded when Z batted with two out and the tying run having just scored... and that, in fact, was where Drew had robbed the Cubs again. He made a nice reach to stop Ryan Theriot's ball from going through the infield. He didn't have a play, but if that ball goes through, the Cubs have a 2-1 lead -- and maybe then, Lou would have batted for Z, although Z had already doubled off Brandon Webb. (Webb, although he gave up only one run, did get hit by the Cubs -- Aramis Ramirez hit two fly balls to the warning track in right field that briefly gave us the thought that "Hey! Maybe!" But they were not to be.)

Drew also made a terrific grab off a line drive by Z that appeared headed for left field in the fifth inning.

And that, really, was that. When Arizona gets a late-inning lead, they're tough to come back against, as their late-inning relief stacks up well against just about anyone, and it was no different last night; Brandon Lyon and Jose Valverde shut the Cubs down, with only a brief blip of hope when Daryle Ward drew a two-out walk. With Alfonso Soriano due up, we thought again, "Hey! Maybe!"

Not last night. Soriano looked terrible all night -- not surprising, as pitchers like Webb who throw mostly breaking stuff drive him nuts -- and he bounced into a force play to end the game.

I should have known it wasn't going to be the Cubs' night when my scoring pencil broke in the second inning. I managed to peel off enough of the wood to use the remains of the lead for the remains of the evening, but somehow I knew that couldn't be a good sign.

As we expected, blue jerseys and caps were everywhere at Chase Field, though perhaps not quite as many as we thought; it might have been about 20% of the crowd, loud enough to hear "Let's Go Cubbies!" chants often throughout; the D'backs fans returned fire with "Let's Go D'backs!", alternating with ours. For the most part, Arizona fans seemed friendly and accomodating, unlike fans in certain other cities. There are so many former Chicagoans living here, and the Cubs have been here for spring training for so long, the locals seem almost used to us. I've been to this ballpark before and wrote about it in April 2005, including this one with a photo, as well as this one from Opening Day 2005, where Z didn't pitch very well; in fact, the Cubs historically have not fared well in whatever they're calling Bank Holding Company Ballpark these days.

As is common for areas around ballparks during the postseason, certain prices are jacked up -- street parking lots that charge $10 or $15 during the regular season were charging $30. Fortunately, the garage one block from the park was still $10 -- and it wasn't that difficult to exit after the game, which is sometimes the case with parking garages. Food at this ballpark is decent, nothing special, as I wrote about in one of the links above. During the game the atmosphere was loud, but oddly enough, not as loud as I have heard it in other playoff games in other cities. It was almost as if the D'backs fans were still a bit amazed that they were even there. As I noted above, there were no incidents, at least not near my seat down the LF line -- the only goofiness was, apparently, caused by a CUB fan who was stirring up trouble behind the plate, briefly delaying the game when 2B umpire Greg Gibson ran in to discuss the distraction with plate umpire Ed Montague. Another unwelcome distraction was He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, who plunked himself down about ten rows in front of me and started howling. Who flew him out here, anyway? Whoever it is should be sentenced to be chained to a chair while H-W-S-N-B-N yells in his ear for an hour. Incidentally, when a montage of highlights from the 2007 season was shown on the scoreboard between innings, everyone -- Cub and D'back fans alike -- booed when Barry Bonds' 756th HR was shown.

A few thoughts: while you don't want to lose any game in a playoff series, and it may sound odd to say this, last night was the one game the Cubs could afford to lose, given that Webb was on the mound and it was likely to be a tough one, as it turned out to be. With Arizona's starting pitching quality taking a marked turn downward starting tonight, Ted Lilly's task is clear: do what Z did, and if the offense can get jumpstarted again to do what it did most of September, this series should return to Chicago tied 1-1.

You need not look very far into recent baseball history to find teams that won the first game of a Division Series, then lost three straight: last year's Yankees, who did exactly what the D'backs did: won the first game at home, then lost three in a row. The 2003 Marlins and the 2002 Angels reversed this; they lost the first game on the road, then won the Division Series, and both those clubs went on to win the World Series. The 2000 Mets made the World Series after losing their first Division Series game at home, although they lost the WS to the Yankees. For the Yankees' part, their 2004 edition lost the first game at home, then won three in a row. So did the 2003 Yankees; both of those wins were over the same team, the Twins -- one of whose players, Jacque Jones, is now a Cub.

So for those of you who are in "sky-is-falling" mode, there is plenty of baseball left to be played. Onward and let's win tonight.

For those who had mentioned getting together before tonight's game, and even if you hadn't participated in this diary discussing that possibility the other day, the current plan is for any BCB'ers attending the game to meet at a place called "3rd & Jackson", which is (you'll never guess!) at the corner of 3rd & Jackson, just across the street from the western entrance to Chase Field. I'll be wearing my gray 2007 game-worn Scott Moore jersey.

Keep the faith; GO CUBS!

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Thats right

You cannot normally win a ballgame by only scoring one run. The lack of offense is really why we didn't win Game 1.

by adam316 on Oct 4, 2007 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

On a different subject

Does anyone have a link to the defensive play that Theriot almost made on a weak ground ball. It was early in the game I think.

PC load letter, what the f*** does that mean?

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 4, 2007 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Bingo.

One run in the last fifteen innings. That is not a trend that indicates playoff victories.

The Cubs need to score some runs for Lilly. It's going to be a very short series if the Cubs' bats stay anemic.

ONE DAMN RUN - that's all you need to know about yesterday. Harping about Lou/Zambrano or even Marmol is just ridiculous with ONE DAMN RUN.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Oct 4, 2007 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not sure that lack of offense is biggest concern

Webb is awesome. And so we need to score runs in the other games when he's not pitching, and hope by the second time we see him the Cubbies have figured out how to hit him. But calling the Cubs' bats anemic last night discounts how good Webb really is.

The Marmol meltdown is the biggest concern to me. If we can't rely on our bullpen to be awesome (like we've been albe to for the past 4 months), we're dead in the water no matter who pitches for AZ.

Here's hoping the 7th inning was an aberration.

by WrigleyATL on Oct 4, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The sky is not falling, I'm

just dissapointed in the loss. I was frustrated in the offense, and was scared by Z in the first as he started hopping around the mound and constantly adjusting himself. Those behaviors usually portend disaster. I was very pleased he settled down.

Webb is on the bench tonight, so he can't hurt anyone. Time to make hay against someone else.

by N Oakley on Oct 4, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Arizona

I lived in Arizona briefly, and I can tell you, that the news media and such has a lot of influence in the Phoenix area. I am just going out on a limb here, but I would guess that the AZ media heard how Cubs fans were supposed to dominate the attendance this series. They probably pumped the idea that if you are true to Phoenix, then go to the game to support the local team even if you are just an occasional fan. The news media likes to put their stamp on the loyalty factor, and I wouldn't be surprised if local Arizona people were the ones that bought up all the tickets at the last minute, thus the quality of fans such as the people holding the 1908 sign.

by adam316 on Oct 4, 2007 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You are not going out

on any limb. After Mike Royko's satire was published on the front page of the then San Diego Tribune, in 1984, all hell broke loose; that led to the nasty conditions that awaited Cubs fans inside then-San Diego Stadium in the NLCS.

"How dare he insult us as laid-back sushi-eaters!" Let's show them!! Was the mind-set.

That's why any person weraring Cub gear was targeted for abuse, be it physical (yes, actual physical abuse) or verbal. That's why flaming teddy bears were all over the parking lot. A city lost its' collective mind over a 'perceived' insult - an inferiority complex which persists to this day.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 4, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glad I wasn't at that game

but still sorry I can't join you all at 3rd & Jackson.

crush the serpent's head

by stelmodad on Oct 4, 2007 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was highly disappointed in Soriano...

...we all know his free-swinging ways, but in a playoff game, against one of the best junk pitchers in the game, must he feebly ground out time and time again? Aramis looked good - like he barely missed TWO homers - but Soriano looked like horseshit.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 4, 2007 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hate to say it

but I predicted Soriano would be shut down. He has the type of swing which gets exposed when you face pitchers that have the scouting report and knows how to execute pitches.

Lee and Ramirez need to pick up the slack here as well as someone you don't expect to step up. Both Ramirez and Lee appeared a little anxious, but I tend to think tonight will be a different story.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 4, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lou did the right thing

Marmol has been lights out

Even if Z pitches 3 more scoreless innings - no runs - eventually we go to Marmol in the 10th and then Z is more tired on Sunday.

Top 5 hitters in the line-up were like 1-20.

If Soirano, Lee, and ARAM go quietly - we have little chance. We need SOME runs tonight.

Last night D'backs had to win and did - tonite Cubs have to win. We'll see

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Oct 4, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I just...

... don't think you bring a young reliever into his first playoff action during the first key moment of the series. I would have rather seen Wood or Howry. I have no problem w/ lifting Zambrano. I have a problem with the decision to use Marmol, whether or not he's the best reliever in the NL. He's still green.

Overall the offense either had no plan or did not execute it. You cannot wait back to hit a 3 run HR off Brandon Webb. Piniella said that you can't win games getting four hits... well if you sacrifice runners over and drive them in with fly balls, you can win games and the Cubs had the chance to be up 2-1 heading into the 7th inning.

I am a big Piniella fan. He did not manage a good game last night.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So bring in Howry

even if ihe does the job, eventually Howry comes out and the score is still 1-1.

The offense lost this one and I suppose the bright side is that Z only threw 83 pitches.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 4, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is why...

... you get every run you can. Piniella's decision not to bunt Theriot over, when you know you're going against one of the best in the game, is completely inexplicable.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: which is why...

I'm not sure I'd use the word "inexplicable." Big Z did hit a ringing double off of Webb in his first at-bat and that line drive to Drew was hit in almost exactly the same manner -- it was just too low to the ground. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Z has ever been considered a great bunter.

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Z is a good hitter...

... for a pitcher. He's still hitting under .250. If the Cubs were facing even Davis or Hernandez, fine, don't bunt and go for the big inning. Brandon Webb is the reigning NL Cy Young award winner and you take each and every run you can get. The decision to not bunt Theriot over was wrong.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I got to agree with old DML but there must be

something other than the obvious. I have to go back to an old line in the Movie "Hoosiers" when the alcoholic father 'Shooter' played by Dennis Hopper observed something others could not see, "I see that you are [Coach Dale] breaking the Colts".

Piniella got control of this team in late May when they had played their way, [Dusty ball] for 2 months and reverted to that last night. Now that they experienced a loss will they be open to follow him again. I had heard that the batting practices were a bombs away spectacle the last two days.

Losing this game while important is not like losing the series. Tonight I suspect that the Cubs will have a different approach. I think the overthrow by Reynolds showed an inherent weakness that the Cubs will look to exploit.

Not bunting Soriano or Zambrano or pinch hitting Zambrano were tactical errors.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 4, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We can all second guess the moves last night

but this doesn't matter. The Cubs left 9 men on base. If, Lilly and the Cubs can win tonight, the pressure really turns to the D'backs to get game 3 before they face Z again in game 4 (given the fact that he only threw 85 pitches).

But back to game 1...Marmol had to be brought in for his normal role. My guess is the jitters are done. He will be solid from now on.

Lou counted on his guys to produce in key hitting situations and they did not against the guy who is likely to get the Cy Young again. In many of those situations, the ball was hit hard but at someone, or the D'back defense made a nice play.

On to game 2. Let's hope the Ice Man does his usual job of following a Z loss with a great outing. We really need a solid game from Lilly tonight! GO CUBS!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Oct 4, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly what I have been saying

good bunter, bad bunter...either way pop it up, don;t advance the runner whatever, same result as letting him swing away but at least you tried to play smart small ball.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 4, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

Think about it.

You think that Soriano is likely to make good on a contact play?

Of all the Cubs hitters, Soriano is the most likely to K, and if he's going to put wood on a ball, there's a solid chance it falls in for a hit and Theriot scores from second anyways.

I agree that I was surprised to not see Z lay down a bunt in that spot. But Soriano is not the guy you want up when you need the ball put in play.

by WittyUserName on Oct 4, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe, but...

If you don't bring in Marmol in that situation when that has been his job description all year long, then what kind of message are you sending to the kid? I only sort of trust you? You are good enough for the regular season, but not the playoffs?

No, I think that the only pitcher that Lou could have and should have brought in there was Marmol. I agree with the decision. Sometimes the odds just don't work out. Even when there is a 2 in 3 chance of something working, 1 in 3 times it won't. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't go with the heavy chance or that you made a bad decision if it ends up going the wrong way.

by Archie on Oct 4, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The message?

That the playoffs are a pressure cooker. We have faith in you. You are going to have a long, successful career and you'll soon be a closer. We forsee you being a key to this year's playoffs run and we're going to give you your first opportunity in a lower stress situation because of that.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...I disagree

On another board, someone made a good observation - instead of having Zambrano on a short leash in Game 1, why not let him throw his normal pitch count and have him on a short leash in Game 4?

My personal thought is that if he's pitching as well as he was, worry about winning this game before worrying about Game 4.

by Tracy on Oct 4, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Marmol has been arguably the best relief pitcher in the majors this year. Last night was the worst outing he's had all year.

A hard pill to swallow considering his dominance this year, and the fact that last night was a winnable game against the DBacks ONLY good pitcher.

We win tonight and I think we'll be okay. I hope. I can't stand all this nervousness.

by SouthsideCub on Oct 4, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Situations Marmol is accustomed

I was surprised that Marmol came in to START an inning. He is more used to coming in with men in scoring position. I think this is not what he is accustomed to and he blew up.

We'll be OK with a win tonight but I do call it a must win.

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Oct 4, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Situations Marmol is accustomed

I was surprised that Marmol came in to START an inning. He is more used to coming in with men in scoring position. I think this is not what he is accustomed to and he blew up.

We'll be OK with a win tonight but I do call it a must win.

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Oct 4, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i disagree.

you let Z start the inning. if someone gets on base, then you go to the pen.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al, was last night a record number of posts

to the game thread?

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Oct 4, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That said...

if Webb didn't win last night, the DBacks would have almost certainly been swept.

They are in their home park, with their ace, a 2 time Cy Young award winner. They won the game they HAD to. It wouldn't surprise you if Santana won his 1st outing against the Yankees or Red Sox, would it?

Our 2nd and 3rd pitchers are much better than theirs and our team is better. Here's to Lilly having a good game and evening the series to send it back to Wrigley.

by nickler on Oct 4, 2007 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You nailed it

That's why I picked the Cubs in 4 or 5.

Our #1s are pretty evenly matched but our 2 and 3 are much better than theirs.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 4, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Feeling Good

For some reason I feel really good this morning. I got home, a bit inebriated at 1:30 (NY) and woke up 6 hours later thinking "Hey, it was 3-1. Z pitched great. We actually hit the ball hard. Lou made a "mistake". Okay, let's win tonight."

And that is how I feel now. Everyone is questioning Lou, but honestly, if Torre did the same thing, putting Jaba in in the same situation, would that have been questioned as much as this is.

And another thing - we did take some good cuts at Webb, who was sharp, mostly. He did walk a couple of guys he shouldn't have, and some of his pitches seemed a bit wild. But Aramis had two really good knocks. Z seemed to handle him well. I think the DBacks got lucky last night. And luck might be the only thing going for them. They had it all year and they had it last night.

Now let's show them that talent always trumps luck.

Rock on Theodore Roosevelt Lilly!

Oh, and before I forget, some Doug Davis stats:

Murton is 6/10 against him. I would be surprised if he did not play tonight.

Soriano 5/14 1HR
Theriot 4/6 (and I expect him in the 2-hole again)
JJ 5/17
Neither Lee nor Ramirez have good AVG against him, but both have 2HRs.

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You were hungover, too?

Weird.

You forgot one Doug Davis stat:

--He sucks.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 4, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

baseball card s dont lie!!!!

"I never said most of the things I said" ~ Yogi Berra

by BigZ 4 Cy on Oct 4, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

though

he dominated us in august.

Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 11 K: 13 ERA: 0.82 WHIP: 1.00 K/BB: 3.25 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 4, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Len Kasper

said last night that Matt will start tonights game.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No time to panic.

Al, you are exactly right when you said this is the game the Cubs "could afford to lose." We all knew last night was going to be tough. Yes, there were some things that didn't go well for the Cubs, but there were some positives as well.
Howry looked real good. Defensively they played well. There were a lot of hard hit balls, but they were just right at people. Z didn't lose his cool and pitched a heck of a ballgame.
We've got Uncle Teddy on the hill tonight. He has been money after a lose this year. Hopefully he keeps the ball down and the bats come alive for us offensively.
GO CUBS GO!!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Oct 4, 2007 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow. Spaceballs quote...

Hilarious flick.

Let's go take the next 3!!

"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Oct 4, 2007 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Game 1

my biggest problem was Lue talking about game 4. That is not a guarantee...plan for it yes..talk about it no...

by cozmotaylor on Oct 4, 2007 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Must win?

Al, is it time to pull the MW term out yet? 0-2 is a tough hole to come back from in a short series. I think the Cubs win tonight. It would be nice to get 3 or 4 runs early...

n/t

by LT on Oct 4, 2007 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Um yes

This is a must win. And remember Lilly is something like 9-1 when he pitches after a Cubs loss.

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ten and one.

Lilly's exactly the guy we want out there tonight.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tonight's narrative

Lilly has won 9 games after a Cub loss....

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 4, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably

Isn't the plan to steal one on the road and finish up at home? They can still do that tonight.

(And yes, they obviously have to steal on on the road to wint he series.)

by Kornchex on Oct 4, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Side note:

every time that freakshow Valverde acts like an ass on the mound, or at first when he gets the final out, I want to STRANGLE him!

I hope the Cubbies get a chance to make him look stupid (a la Lincecum earlier in the season). If not, a line drive off the kneecap would do.

Sorry, I am tired and frustrated.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 4, 2007 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No

I hope we never get a chance to see that a$#hole again. Meaning he will not have another chance to close a game.

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose you are correct

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 4, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too...but

Isn't that just a bit similar to a certain starter on the Cubs? Doesn't bother me as much as a result.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Oct 4, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we...

...have no room to speak with someone like Z on the mound. Granted, he did "behave" himself last night, but I guess if you condense a single Z outing's worth of antics into one inning, you'd get Valverde.

by 60613 on Oct 4, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with that.

Z and Valverde are a lot alike in their pitching, mannerisms and stature.

fly your W flag Cubs fans!

by love the ivy on Oct 4, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

except that Z throws about

ten pitches to Valverde's one

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any word on whether or not

tickets for the NLCS have sold out yet? I've been trying via phone and waiting room.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Oct 4, 2007 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

VWR

I have 24 windows open and nothing so far...

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When they sell out...

... there's usually a message to that effect posted on the VWR page.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Webb beat the Cubs

It was a well played game for both teams. Webb pitched well as did Z. A couple of pitching mistakes was all the difference in this game. I am not bent up about this game considering the effort that the Cubs put forth. Yeah batting looked a little bad at time, D Lee's first 2 at bats were not good. But then he figure Webb out and made the adjustment. The Cubs hit the ball hard but right at people. If some of those hits drop in and the Cubs would have won that game. Honestly I was hoping to steal that game and then really put the pressure on the young D-Backs.

Get a split tonight and bring it back home to Chicago is the goal. Just get some runs tonight and support Lilly. I believe it'll happen.

6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No luck

here either. Wondering when I should quit trying and get back to work.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Oct 4, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

VWR

same here.... Think I'll give it until 10:45 or when the red message comes up.

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, Al

n/t

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Oct 4, 2007 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

A couple of things

Tonight is key. A win tonight and the Cubs are on track to take this series. A loss and it will be very, very tough - not impossible, but tough.

As for Lou's decision last night, I am on the fence. He probably thought we had a chance to steal one w/o Z, and have Z ready on Sunday if it got that far. In my opinion, the wisdom (or lack thereof) of Lou's move will only be apparent when (knock on wood) Game 4 rolls around. If Zambrano is lights out and leads the Cubs to victory, it will have been a good move despite the loss. Even if after Sunday the Cubs are at 2-2, they will have the guy who has been the shut-down pitcher for them all year taking the mound on Tuesday.

I do find it somewhat amusing that the controversy this time around is over lifting the starting pitcher too early, when a certain manager who will not be named (but was quite fond of toothpicks) was constantly roasted over leaving the starters in too long.

by SuperContext on Oct 4, 2007 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Certain managers

Actually, last night I turned to the guy sitting next to me and said, "Did Lou just become the anti-Grady Little." Little left Pedro in too long and look what happened, Lou didn't leave Z in and...

And yes, I also thought of the "Manager We Formerly Trustied"

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Early hook

I wonder when Lou decided. I would've liked to see a pinch hitter in the top six when they had Webb on the ropes, and maybe even end his night, too.

by chr15 on Oct 4, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point

and great irony about toothpick manager. He would have ridden Z through 8...

When I woke up this AM, I came to the realization that Lou is thinking big picture here...

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Oct 4, 2007 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

big picture?

our season comes down to these 5 games right now...

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 4, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big picture as in the entire series

Not just game one.

Maybe his thought was, "our offense does not have it tonight. We are facing the opposing team's ace, then a great bullpen, and even if Z is lights out next inning, we are unlikely to win this one. Let's give ourselves the best chance to win games 2-4 and close this thing out, and not worry about hitting against Brandon Webb again until 2008."

Not saying that's the right call, but it certainly is a "big picture" view of the series.

by SuperContext on Oct 4, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excellent analysis.

Plus, Z won't be facing Webb in game 4 -- he'll be facing Micah Owings.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WAIT...

...Why wouldn't Webb be going Game 4? Assume we win Games 2 & 3, what's to say Webb and Zambrano don't match up again in Game 4?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 4, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because...

... Bob Melvin isn't doing what Lou is doing. Melvin is going with four starters.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does that make sense?

One of the top 3-4 pitchers in baseball over the last three years...and he's going with Micah Ownings?

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 4, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And it sets up a killer game 5 for the Cubs

If the Cubs don't win it in 4, they will have the daunting task of beating Arizona on the road with a rested Webb matched against Lilly. That's a tough game for the Cubs. Games 2 and 3 are all the more important so that you at least have a chance to let Z win it without seeing Webb again.

by Orval Overall on Oct 4, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wanna bet?

If the Dbacks are down 2-1 and facing elimination, you really think Melvin doesn't go to Brandon Webb? He'd be insane not to. The nice thing about managing is that you can change your mind.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not according to Melvin

That very question was asked of him on Tuesday and he responded that he would still stick with Owings in Game 4.

His logic is that if he is down 2 games to 1, he still has to win two ball games to win the series and he would rather have a rested Webb in Game 5 and take his chances with Micah in Game 4.

Just reporting to you what the man said.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not arguing...

... with what people are reporting. I think Melvin may intend on using Webb in game 5 right now, but if the series is 2-1 Cubs, that very well may change. If I'm Melvin, I'd rather have Webb start at a hostile Wrigley and Owings at Chase, regardless of the rest factor.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the genuis of Piniella forward strategy

Piniella is counting on the fact that Lilly and Hill will outmatch Davis and Hernandez or Owings and force Melvin's hand...

Not setting up Webb is a mistake and hasty move dictated by the events instead managing the events.

If Cubs are up 2-1 it is pick your poison. By winning with Webb vs Zambrano for a second time it puts Lilly in again in a better match up, by going with Owings it places a burden of a rookie against the Ace and elimination.

Only good strategy if Dbacks up 2-1

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 4, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh sorry

Ivy, but it is NEVER a good strategy to sacrifice a win in a best 3 of 5 series. I'm sure if Piniella had any inkling that Marmol would groove a pitch to Reynolds, he would've left Carlos in.

Besides, Webb only threw 4 more pitches than Z did last night, and given that he is not as much of a power pitcher as Carlos, there is no real reason Webb could not go in a Game 4 and be just as rested as Z.

But, I still think it will be Micah in Game 4 for a number of reasons I have already mentioned. You guys are discounting the type of competitor Micah has proven to be.

Don't be shocked if there is a Game 5 in Phoenix with Webb going against Lilly.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly my point...

...Melvin doesn't throw Webb in that situation and he will get burned at the stake.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Oct 4, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think so

Melvin has nursed a ridiculously young team with a negative run differential and the lowest batting average in the league (along with a number of key injuries), to 90 wins and I think he has built up a significant amount of fan good will for his lineup decisions.

Sure, if he pitches Owings in Game 4 down 2-1 and Owings loses, he will be second guessed. If he pitches Webb on short rest down 2-1 in Game 4 and loses, he will also be second guessed.

But, I've watched this team all year, and Owings was awesome in two of the biggest games of the season. He has captured the imagination of the fan base here with his pitching and hitting exploits and a lot of people want to see him in the postseason (there has been a lot of support for throwing him in Game 3 instead of Livan Hernandez).

I'll make you guys a bet right now...if the Cubs are up 2-1, Micah Owings starts Game 4 in Chicago.

Any takers?

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

NO TAKERS HERE

BUT i really would love to be up 2-1 on sunday, in front of an AMAZING crowd at Wrigley. Ill take that right now!!!!!!! Can we fast forward to that PLEASE DADDY!

"I never said most of the things I said" ~ Yogi Berra

by BigZ 4 Cy on Oct 4, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised if Melvin

changes his mind, especially if they are down 2 games to 1.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 4, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: Big picture as in the entire series

And, y'know, even in light of last night's loss, I still can't wholly fault Lou for having this kind of "big picture" attitude. Sure, in retrospect, maybe bringing in a pitcher with playoff experience (Kerry Wood?) after pulling Z would have prevented those two runs. Then again, maybe not.

In any case, Lou knows what we all know -- that the D'Backs have been winning games like the one last night all frickin' year. They get great pitching, they get just a little bit ahead in the late innings, and then they bring in their rock solid bullpen. Nobody has hit Valverde all season.

Maybe I won't feel so forgiving if the worst comes to pass but, for now, I remain hopeful.

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

"Maybe I won't feel so forgiving if the worst comes to pass but, for now, I remain hopeful."

There's no reason not to be. The pitching match-ups tonight and Saturday clearly favor the Cubs, and Lou is smart enought to realize that. He is also smart enough to know that the D'backs have defied logic all year.

That potentially brings us to a game 4 with the Cubs up 2-1 and then it gets real interesting. At that point, what happened last night will be a distant memory.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the problem is

you cant assume in a 1-1 game that you cant win, thats absurd

and by assuming our offense wasnt going to score runs he started planning for a game 4 that may not even in happen, while sacrificing our best chance to win game 1

Al said if Marmol came in and threw shutout baseball no one would complain, which isnt accurate. If we're in a battle of bullpens with the DBacks (who also have a good pen) and we sacrifice having leverage by bringing in a reliever early, we could lose out later in the game if it went into extras

i dont see how anyone can justify sacrificing our best chance to win in a 1-1 game, for a potential game 4 that may never even happen

its ludicrous

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 4, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: the problem is

Right, but I don't think pulling Z and bringing in Marmol automatically means Lou thought the Cubs couldn't win. I think he had faith that his bullpen -- Marmol in particular -- could continue the job Big Z was doing.

And, for better or worse, given Z's cramping problems and his lackluster start the last time he went on three days' rest, Lou was taking a calculated risk on saving Z's arm. I'm not completely thrilled with the decision either, but I understand it.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

but this is the reasoning i keep getting and was mentioned above:

"Maybe his thought was, "our offense does not have it tonight. We are facing the opposing team's ace, then a great bullpen, and even if Z is lights out next inning, we are unlikely to win this one."

by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 4, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe its not "we're unlikely to win"

Maybe its that we're just as likely to win this one with our bullpen coming in as with Z going back out, and are more likely to win Sunday if Z is pulled.

In other words, the thought could have been - "chances of winning game one with Z coming back out = chances of winning game one with Z leaving. Chances of winning game four with Z coming back out < chances of winning game four with Z leaving.
Overall chances of winning series with Z leaving > overall chances of winning series with Z coming back out."

I know that presumes Lou thinks in mathematical terms, which is unlikely, but I think you get the point.

Again, maybe it doesn't work out that way, but its a calculated risk. It's not ludicrous or any such other thing.

by SuperContext on Oct 4, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

between me and my bestfriend

we have 50 rooms open and nothing yet. no message yet either. that's kind of strange. Game 1 of the division series was sold out by now. maybe they forgot to post it?

fly your W flag Cubs fans!

by love the ivy on Oct 4, 2007 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

onyl scattered singles left for gm 1 and 2

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Oct 4, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

VWR Message

"Please note: Ticket availability is limited. For Postseason, the Bleacher Section is Reserved Seating. Standing Room will be sold after other seating is sold.
Only scatterd singles available for Games 1 and 2.."

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

Scattered singled available still for 1 & 2. Nothing else yet.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Oct 4, 2007 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And honestly...

...last night I was hoping against hope Z would give 7 innings and the Cubs would be up one. I have less of a problem with yanking him after 6 since it was a tie game. If the cubs score 1 more run in the 8th or 9th, then this looks worse. As it stands, getting beat by the best pitcher in the NL is expected.

Vegas now has shifted AZ to the favorite spot. Teams winning the 1st game of a short series win the series 70% of the time. The Cubs must win this game tonight to have a realistic chance of winning this series. I think Webb in AZ on Tuesday would be too much. I hope against hope Cub hitters make Davis throw some pitches as he has a tendency to miss spots and walk guys. Hope he got his one good start v. the Cubs out of the way back in August when he beat Ted 3-1.

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

To comment on Soriano...

He looked very similar to a 1998 Sammy Sosa during the Braves series. Lets hope he doesnt continue down that road.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Oct 4, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named?

Im fairly new around here... am i missing something? I always thought a certain "Employee" was referred to in this manner...

If you can't be a good example- at least be a dire warning!

by nickkline1 on Oct 4, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Think...

... of an idiot who runs around the bleachers making strange sounds from the back of his throat, and spends the rest of his time groping college-age women even though he is 64 years old.

Got it now?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was

My second guess. haha... that sucks. What a life though, eh? I spent the better part of a decade running around like an idiot trying to grope college age women. He's gotten to do it for like 50 more years!

If you can't be a good example- at least be a dire warning!

by nickkline1 on Oct 4, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shudder....

... those women should be ashamed of themselves.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gillespie Commerical

Not sure if you heard about the Gillespie Commerical running druing the game last night wth HWSNBN...Mute every time...

I've never heard of half of these guys. And, the ones I do know are way past their prime...This guy here's dead

by Stryker10 on Oct 4, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

Makes annoying noises and is severely mentally ill...

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 4, 2007 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Funny...that's how my wife will describe me

if the Cubs blow this series...

by JFCubFan on Oct 4, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theodore Roosevelt Lilly

Speak Softly and Carry and Big Stick

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The guy behind the plate...

...was dressed in Cubs gear and flashing a lighted Cubs logo at the D'Backs pitcher during the eighth or ninth inning. The announcers noted that he seemed to be employed by either the Cubs or some media organization, given where he was being allowed to sit. Whatever the case, I thought it was a rather embarassing moment for Cubs fans everywhere.

And regarding D'Backs fans, I'm glad to hear they were friendly enough in the park. But I still saw a lot of trash-talking signs -- case in point, the geniuses in the right field (?) bleachers holding up giant white numbers spelling out "1908." I know this is all part of the game, and I probably wouldn't be so sensitive to it if the Cubs had won last night, but it still annoys the hell out of me.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fan behind the plate last night in Blue

He paid no attention to the game at all last night. He was talking with everyone or always on the phone.

Last thing we want him labeled as is a cub fan.

Must of been Dodgers blue, and he was confused

by parrotinct on Oct 4, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish

. . . someone had beaten the crap out of that guy, even before he held up that stupid lighted thing. He was either yapping on the phone, waiving his arms (while Big Z pitched) or hittting on some blond the whole game. He had access to the best seat in the house, and didn't even watch the game.

by WrigleyATL on Oct 4, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Noticed that guy

My roommates and I were laughing at his attempt to hit on the blonde!
He was a typical Dbag. Probably bought a blue shirt(if you want to call wearing Underarmor and nothing else a shirt) yesterday before the game. A Cubs fan would not have been that disinterested in the game. I don't care how cute she was!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Oct 4, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why do the cubs use this Stupid waiting room ???

Does this ever work ??? I have waited hours in the Winter trying to get tickets to a few games a year and have to wait hours. Being from CT I only go to 2 - 3 series a year in Chicago.

I just got Springsteen tickets for 3 of the NY area shows and completed my transaction on Ticketbastard (ticketmaster) within 3 minutes.

The cubs need to improve this aspect of thier service

TONIGHTS THE NIGHT !!!

by parrotinct on Oct 4, 2007 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

TM's interface and waiting system is far, far better than tickets.com's.

Note, MLB is leaning hard on all teams to switch to tickets.com, as they bought a controlling interest in it (tickets.com) a year or so ago. Only a few teams (Yankees, White Sox, Angels are the most notable) still use ticketmaster.

The Mets, Rockies, Diamondbacks use "evenue.net", which also has a much nicer and user-friendly interface than tickets.com.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The ONLY thing

that bothered me about last night, was Lou electing not to bunt Theriot over.

In the Playoffs you must, I repeat, MUST, take advantage of every single opportunity no matter how small.

It is OCTOBER, and we're STILL PLAYING BASEBALL!!

by TheEman on Oct 4, 2007 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i would have bunted z over with soriano as well,

though i know lou would never do that, especially that early in the game. alas.

then again, we're not exactly adept at bringing a runner in from third base with less than two outs, so what can you do.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

soriano bunt?

id venture to guess that you could count sorianos career sac bunts on one hand.

Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 11 K: 13 ERA: 0.82 WHIP: 1.00 K/BB: 3.25 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 4, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

MEMO TO CUB FANS GOING TO TONIGHT'S GAME

I'm sorry if this has already been suggested, and I don't know if it was done last night (I watched the game in a crowded and noisy room last night and couldn't hear the audio very well):

Instead of chanting, "Let's go Cubbies", chant "LET'S GO CUBS!"

Why?

D'Backs fans can drown out "Cubbies" with their own two-syllable "Dbacks", the one syllable "Cubs" might confuse them and/or work. They probably will still use "Dbacks" but they don't have a strong monosyllabic word in place of Cubs. Just a suggestion.

by Diddy09 on Oct 4, 2007 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's go snakes? n/t

by SuperContext on Oct 4, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did anyone hear...

about the skinned goat hanging outside of Wrigley?

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Oct 4, 2007 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sure did

photo posted here

You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Oct 4, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: Sure did

That's really, really disturbing. And how the hell did someone get away with that? It's not like people never hang out around Wrigley Field. No one had a cell phone handy when those morons dragged that thing up? There isn't a police presence around the park during a frickin' playoff race? Really, really sick stuff.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is

really disgusting. I don't understand people who do stuff like that.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really hope...

... that this is the work of photoshop.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even I am offended

And it takes a lot to do that.

Hopefully that's not real.

My Hero the Goat

by mike42 on Oct 4, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: Even I am offended

Aw, man. Who let you in here? Somebody call a bouncer...

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By what?

The goat or the Sox season?

Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.

by CyberCyclist on Oct 4, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, right...

this looks right up your alley, man. Are you sure you didn't do it yourself?

Go home. Your team isn't in the post. Get over it.

This is our time. THIS IS OUR YEAR!

by drewishdrewid on Oct 4, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Got bleachers for Game 3

I hope it doesn't come to it, but if there's a Game 3 for the Cubs vs. Rockies/Phillies, I just got seats to Section 315, Row 15, 101,102 ...

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

bleachers, pt 2

It wouldnt let me get 4 tix, so I settled for 2.

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They were going so fast it was absurd

I'd request 4, and click... and then they'd be unavailable.

Got two tix in the LF corner for game 2. And 1 ticket for the final game *if necessary.

I'll still have a shot to get more through the seasons I share... but those will go to highest bidder.

1-RUN GAMES = 23-22 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-8 | HOME = 44-37 | NL CENTRAL CHAMPS!

by SackMan on Oct 4, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Z pitched

very well last night and our offense let him down. This team seems to go in spurts. I have the feeling they come back big time. We get this one and the get the two at home in front of the Cub faithful.

I will start a game diary shortly before the game starts for those who want an alternative to the game thread.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2007 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i hope your right.

i have no such feeling, though i wish i did.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Baseball is a game of inches

That's what I told my wife last night about three times. Zambrano's line drive that was caught would have changed the momentum of the game. If that ball gets through, Lou's a genius. Z should have swung on the first pitch of his last at-bat. And there's no excuse for Soriano taking that fast ball right down the middle in the 9th inning. It was a big game of cat and mouse. Fonzie thought "There's no way he's going to throw me a fast ball down the middle." And then he did it.

And Rami just missed HR's twice on the deep drives to the warning track. Throw a great game tonight Ted and we'll go back to Chicago 1-1.

by Def Kenny T on Oct 4, 2007 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

NLCS!!!

I can't believe I got a ticket to the NLCS game 2! I feel like I just won the lottery!

"They (Expos fans) discovered 'boo' is pronounced the same in French as it is in English." -Harry Caray

by IowaCubs- on Oct 4, 2007 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Congrats

Lets hope the game happens!

by Orval Overall on Oct 4, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tickets

for the NLCS are no longer available.

by adam316 on Oct 4, 2007 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That guy with the neon Cubs logo

I'm surprised they didn't throw that guy out. What a jerk.

by anriley on Oct 4, 2007 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He also...

...spent half the game with his back to the field chatting up some blonde (who by the end of the night appeared not to be with him). What a great fan -- gets front row tickets to a playoff game, doesn't watch most of it, then when he does start paying attention its only so that he can make an ass out of himself and embarrass the team he supports.

by Orval Overall on Oct 4, 2007 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

guy was a tool

i think he dropped his digital camera at some point after he was busted for the sign. dumbass.

You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Oct 4, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: guy was a tool

I thought I saw him drop his drink after the ump yelled at him.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure

he dropped his integrity as a Cubs fan pulling that kind of stuff. And is it me or was he wearing kid-sized Cubs Under Armour jersey

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Oct 4, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

drink went down.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thought so.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thoughts from Last Night's Game from AZ

I've been reading this site all season and this is my first post - from my hotel room in Scottsdale. Best planned work trip ever!

Last night's game was alot of fun and I was pretty surprised at the loud and vocal Dbacks fans. That being said, they hold nothing to Wrigley and what the Dbacks will see on Saturday. I was told about some rude Cubs fans, but that surprised me because everyone seemed nice and friendly. I was fortunate to have an awesome seat among the season ticket holders and there was quite a decent amount of blue mixed in.

I agree with Al's 20% Cubbies - and I'd like to see us lounder and more vocal tonight. It amazes me how these new ballparks have to tell the fans when to yell. "Beat Da Cubs" was constantly going on the jumbotron. Hopefully Lilly can come out and shut them down while the offense wakes up.

I know we can do it. Oh, and I was able to get in and buy 4 tix for game 2 of the NLCS. A first for me to get playoff tickets.

Let's go Cubbies!

by uastacy on Oct 4, 2007 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you pull Z

and worry about game 4 because game 4 IS must win. You don't want to go into game 4 with Z not rested, have to pull him after 3, and put in (shudder) Marquis.

This is our time. THIS IS OUR YEAR!

by drewishdrewid on Oct 4, 2007 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

amen

True that... I'm sick of all the second guessing of last night. 29 times out of 30 Marmol holds other teams. Two freak pitches and all of a sudden people are second guessing Lou.

If Zambrano stays in the game and gives up another homerun, then fans would be second guessing THAT decision. Sheesh.

"They (Expos fans) discovered 'boo' is pronounced the same in French as it is in English." -Harry Caray

by IowaCubs- on Oct 4, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

first of all,

i don't see how 10-20 pitches saved is a huge difference in terms of Z's ability to pitch effectively in game 4; second, there is no guarantee we'll even have a game four. there's a possibility that was the last time Z will pitch for the cubs this year; i would have let him start the inning at least.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

NLCS Scheduling Home vs. Away scenario?

When Cubs get to the next round, which games are Home vs. Away? I assume we do not have home advantage vs. Rockies/Phillies since there were only 3 games offered for sale, but is it 3-3-1, 2-3-2, 2-2-1-1-1?

NLCS Game 1    Thurs., Oct. 11    TBS
NLCS Game 2    Fri., Oct. 12    TBS
NLCS Game 3    Sun., Oct. 14    TBS
NLCS Game 4    Mon., Oct. 15    TBS
NLCS Game 5    Wed., Oct. 17    TBS
NLCS Game 6    Fri., Oct. 19    TBS
NLCS Game 7    Sat., Oct. 20    TBS

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

not sure, but

at the risk of dredging up bad memories, the 2003 Marlins series was 2-3-2.

by Orval Overall on Oct 4, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to look ahead/past the Snakes....

...but if we play the Rockies, we host 4 games regardless of whether they have a better record than us. There were only 3 games for sale, so expect a 4th game (if necessary) to go on sale if the Rockies go on to play the Cubs (I believe!)

Taken from: http://baseball.about.com/od/seasonstructur1/tp/playoffsformat.htm

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The winners of the Division Series then advance to the best-of-seven American League and National League Championship Series. The team with the best record of the remaining teams will have home-field advantage. In the event that the wild-card team has the better record than the other qualifying team that is a division champion, the division champion still gets the advantage and hosts Games 1, 2, 6 and 7.

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IF Cubs play Phillies, they host:

NLCS Game 3 Sun., Oct. 14 TBS
NLCS Game 4 Mon., Oct. 15 TBS
NLCS Game 5 Wed., Oct. 17 TBS

IF Cubs play Rockies, they host:
NLCS Game 1 Thurs., Oct. 11 TBS
NLCS Game 2 Fri., Oct. 12 TBS
NLCS Game 6 Fri., Oct. 19 TBS
NLCS Game 7 Sat., Oct. 20 TBS

by bgramer on Oct 4, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Home field

Actually, if the Cubs make it to the next round they would have home field against the Rockies, as the Cubs won their division outright and the Rockies are the wild card team. If the Phillies make it then they would have home field as they had the better record.

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone have

an idea how long it will be before Soto jerseys and or t-shirts will be available?

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2007 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Never mind.

I found one.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Goof is right

I'm surprised more hasn't been made of that dope behind home plate. This guy was able to turn a blinking light-up Cubs sign on for two pitches before he was asked to stop by the umps. Where was security? Most places would kick you out just for doing the stupid cell-phone wave.

by paulsbeard on Oct 4, 2007 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ronnie

Al:

Try sitting one row in front of him from Chicago to Midway. Not fun.

by gocubsgo22 on Oct 4, 2007 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

A friend

A friend of mine got stuck on a flight with him coming home from Ryno's HOF induction.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 4, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dead man walking

That's how I felt walking back to the hotel after last night's game. For some reason I ended up in a long line going into a small parking lot after the game. Obviously security wasn't prepared for the mass of humanity leaving that route. It took almost 30 minutes just to escape that way.

Notes on the ballpark. It's no big deal. Not great. Not terrible. Food OK. However I was amazed that the DBack fans needed electric signs to cause them to chant. They waited until 2 were outs in the 9th until rising to cheer their team. On the other hand, most everyone was very pleasant. I heard a ton of misinformation about the Cubs from fans. Some were wondering why Soriano wasn't starting at 2B, etc.

I was surprised Z got pulled after 85 pitches. He had reached 95 on the gun in the previous inning. But I understood Piniella's thinking as soon as Marmol hit the mound. I don't know that I agree with it, but I can understand the logic behind it.

Props to zambranofan for calling out before the game the possibility of Marmol having problems.

Note on Zambrano. He was throwing many off speed pitches last night and they were getting quick outs. It was also great to see him get outs after going 3-0 on some key hitters.

I wasn't surprised by the loss last night. Webb was perhaps 80% first pitch strikes and that's a dangerous weapon for a quality pitcher. We were at a disadvantage last night going against Webb at his home. However, the next 3 games set up very positively for us. Unless one of our starters has a breakdown, we shouldn't need a 5th game.

It's not to late to go to Soto.

by tharr on Oct 4, 2007 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Chase Field

I'm not impressed with it. From where I was sitting I found there to be too much advertising with too many flashing lights. It was quite annoying. There's nothing charming about the place. Give me Wrigley any time.

As for the fans, the D-back fans around me were into the game and certainly not obnoxious. There was one obnoxious Cubs fan a couple of rows behind me, but he was harmless -- just way too loud and didn't stop talking the entire time. And, I think he may have had too many beers as he rooted for Z when Marmol was pitching!

Now, for game 2. I have the same seats I had last night.

GO CUBS!!!!

"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.

by No Southern Belle on Oct 4, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No taunt...

Here is what I posted yesterday in the BCB game thread:

"FWIW game one wins have meant...

"...nothing to the Yankees over the last two years when they've won game one of the ALDS and then went on to lose the series.

"A win on Thursday and Cubbie fans get what they really needed from the first two away games, one victory."

Win today and leave AZ in good shape.

On a side note too...

I frankly was not that well acquainted with the D-Backs as a team until I reviewed their roster heading into the NLDS. I was frankly surprised by what I saw. The D-Backs don't look all that intimidating, at least theoretically and I think the Cubbies have the better team and should win the series.

by DrCrawdad on Oct 4, 2007 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

since 2000

only 3 times has a team lost game one of the DS and come back to win the series; all 3 involved the yankees.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Oct 4, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

for just ruining my day. That's really depressing.

by SouthsideCub on Oct 4, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2003 Florida Marlins

Didn't involve the Yankees.

by SuperContext on Oct 4, 2007 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not the DS but...

...I vividly remember the White Sox winning game one of a best of 5 series against the Orioles in '83 and losing 3 straight.

by DrCrawdad on Oct 4, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow - big news about the Yankees

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/yankees_decline_wild_card

by Def Kenny T on Oct 4, 2007 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Dozing with Darling

Anybody else on the east coast not able to finish watching the game due to sleepiness? It's bad enough the games goes past midnight, but then to have the somnabulence-inducing Darling giving the "color" commentary ... mmph. He made me yearn for the excitement of Lou Boudreau broadcasting the game. The Cubs definitely got the "D" team from TBS.

While Stockton is OK, they're going to need to tase Darling before tonight's game.

Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Oct 4, 2007 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not a good start to the game

as Alf strode up to the plate, I kept chanting: please don't swing at the first pitch, please don't swing at the first pitch ...

Aww crap!

Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Oct 4, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The book is out on Fonzie

Feed Alf a POS first pitch and he'll probably swing at it.

Wonder why he doesn't think the DBacks pitching staff adjusted their strategy after all those HRs he hit in Sept. and keeps swinging for the rafters like a madman

EVERY SINGLE AB.

by JFCubFan on Oct 4, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

An observation from the game...

I was sitting about 20 rows behind home plate last night, which is my usual location for regular season games. One of the reasons I like to sit there is that, with my poor depth perception, I can tell almost from contact when a ball is going to leave the park.

When Reynolds hit the ball in the 7th last night, I thought it had NO chance of being a HR. I remember thinking, aw, he got under that one. I really didn't even think it would make the warning track. I was shocked when it left the yard.

Anybody else think that? How did it look on TV?

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

re: An observation from the game...

I was watching on TV, and I thought he got under it, too. I figured it would be one of the deep fly outs that Marmol is wont to give up from time to time. The pitch must have hit the absolute most perfect part of the bat, because it really flew.

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting Crowd Commensts

Al - your take on the crowd seems to be similar to what the guys at AZ Snakepit are saying. That makes sense.

I think folks in Arizona (despite their title) are too divided amongst who they cheer for (due to the community and team being relatively young, all the spring training teams, and the Dodgers having had a stronghold on the area for awhile) to be too anti-Cubs or nearly anyone else.

People in Phoenix are used to having visiting fans in droves at nearly every sport (check out a Cardinals game when the Cowboys are in town sometime).

My Hero the Goat

by mike42 on Oct 4, 2007 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Looked like a bomb on TV

not as much as Drew's, but it sure looked out to me. I was also in full mope mode at that point, so there you go...

Ramirez' f9 to the track in the 8th looked to me like he got it out, but alas he didn't

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Dear Cub Nation

I know we should protect our team but come on, Lou F-ed up last night.

It was a questionable decision to pull Z after 6 and then Marmol made Lou look like fool in the 7th.

It was also a questionable decision to let Z hit in the 5th instead of making him bunt The Riot over to third and Z made Lou look like a fool when he didn't hit the ball to the right side.

The simple fact is that Lou had a bad game. His moves helped the Cubs lose last night and I'm as down on him as I would be at JJ or Ronny C after they strike out with the bases loaded.

The safe play is to try to win the game last night at all costs. Lou didn't go with the safe plays and it blew up in his face. He F-ed up. But I still love the guy and I'm hope his hunches will work out tonight and we get a big win.

Also I strongly believe we are in a must win game tonight. Otherwise we will have to win 3 in a row including facing Brandon Webb again on 4 days rest.

Go Cubs!

by whatiswrongwithlarussa on Oct 4, 2007 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i know

that alot of you dont like sports talk radio but the score is having alot of great cubs talk right now. they stream online at 670thescore.com

LeTs SkIn DeM sNaKeS!!!

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Screw the Score

Every host (except for Murph) MFs the Cubs all season and then they act like "We're your source for Cubs post-season information".

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Oct 4, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea

ive been listening to murph he had stoney on at 12. after listening to him i feel alot better about our chances of coming back.

LeTs SkIn DeM sNaKeS!!!

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm w/you

"Vines"!

They are the Sox station and have made their beds.

As soon as they realized the Sox were out of it, they started building promos to try to hype their "don't miss" coverage.

Bruce Levine, at the competition, eats those guys for lunch and out scoops them all of the time.

It is OCTOBER, and we're STILL PLAYING BASEBALL!!

by TheEman on Oct 4, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That throw to the plate by Jones

was a rope! On the fly right to Soto - nice!

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Oct 4, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Bunt with Zambrano....

...would have been the right play but for two factors that are not to be discounted:

Carlos is not a good bunter. I'd sooner have him hack away than try to bunt. If it was a pitcher like Suppan, definately, but not Carlos
Fonzie is a strikeout risk and Webb is a hardcore groundball pitcher. The odds Fonzie can elevate one to score a run from third with one out are also low. Plus Fonzie had struck out with a runner on 2nd and no out before - no sense giving up an out when the guy hitting with 1 out would be a K threat

I think Lou did OK there. Zambo almost knocked the run in himself. JJ got an RBI single taken away by Clark. Sure hope the Cubs can get things even tonight. My game stomach is already starting.

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

My Grandma bunts better

than everyone in that rotation.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Oct 4, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is your grandmother's name

Mike Pagliarulo?

by whatiswrongwithlarussa on Oct 4, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: The Bunt with Zambrano....

I agree. Just because Lou orders Z to bunt doesn't mean Z will be able to actually get the bunt down. He could have just easily struck out (net result: the same) or bounced one to Webb or the catcher either freezing Theriot (net result: the same) or, worst of all, getting Theriot gunned down at third (net result: worse).

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some thoughts on tonight's game

I know Al will no doubt cover this in his Game Preview, but here are some insights into tonight's critical match-up.

Much is being made of the the August 25th game where Davis faced Lilly in a game won by the D'Backs 3-1. I was at that game and here are some observations.

Craig Monroe started in RF that day and he was, frankly, putrid. He went 0-4 and left 5 men on base. Davis pitched one of his usual games, with men on base almost every inning and he used Monroe as his bail out time after time.

Murton went 3-4. Expect him to be in the line-up tonight. DeRosa and Jones also went 0-4, as Davis is prone to use hitter's aggressiveness to get them to chase out of the strike zone.

Soriano did not play that game. Kendall was the catcher and he, Theriot, D. Lee and Ramirez all had hits.

As far as the D'Backs were concerned, the big blow was a 2 run HR by Conor Jackson off Lilly. Expect Jackson to get the start at 1st tonight. Upton had 2 hits (I would anticipate him to play tonight also), including a 7th inning RBI single off Kerry Wood for an important tack on run and Lyon and Valverde closed it out, much like last night.

Hudson (who is now out), Byrnes, Snyder and Drew also had hits. Chris Young went 0-4 and Jeff Cirillo went 0-3. Reynolds did not play.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Justin Upton...

...was hit by a pitch on the last day of the season on the wrist. Right Handed batter Carlos Quinten will more than likely make the start against Lilly instead of lefty Jeff Salazar.

I think Upton is only available for pinch running and defense.

"They (Expos fans) discovered 'boo' is pronounced the same in French as it is in English." -Harry Caray

by IowaCubs- on Oct 4, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is not

what has been reported in Phoenix. Upton's X-Rays were negative and he was reported as much better on Monday and worked out with the team on Tuesday. All reports are that he is available to start tonight.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like the signature vines!

For good mojo tonight I'm getting a new haircut. Perhaps getting it cut correct like Anthony Mason?

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Beastie Boys

Nice...

by Def Kenny T on Oct 4, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lou's real mistake

I don't think pulling Z was the mistake. I think perhaps using Marmol was. Marmol is best suited to holding leads as opposed to pitching in a tie game. This was also his first playoff game. A bit jittery I would expect. I think the best choice would have been Wood, who has been quite good recently, is the kind of pitcher who can mow guys down, and has major postseason experience.

The Cubs lost the 1984 pennant on my 9th Birthday. Top That!

by brokenland on Oct 4, 2007 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

come on

That's just crazy. At the time, Lou correctly believed Marmol was his best reliever. He's been using him in spots like that all year, and he's been the best guy the Cubs had all year. Better than Howry, way better than Dempster, and better than Wood/Wuertz, etc.

The move did not work out well, as often happens in this most unpredictable sport. Doesn't mean Lou made a mistake in trusting the team's best reliever in that situation.

by Orval Overall on Oct 4, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the Diamondbacks and Rockies play...

...I'm done with baseball for the year. No teams with less than 30 years combined "history" should be going to WS. Nor should states that twice voted for George W. Bush EVER enjoy happiness.

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I

second that motion, Big Jim! Screw'em all until we get our due!

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Oct 4, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If anyone

but the Cubs play I'm done with baseball for the year. The Bulls preseason starts Tues.

Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not going to happen...

It'll be an Illinois, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and New York League Championship.

Blue States all around!!!

All will be right with in the world of baseball and baseball as it relates to politics!!!

by EliasTirade on Oct 4, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For real?

How should World Series berths be handed out then?

Would you like to take back the Dbacks title and both of the Marlins titles?

How about the Miami Heat in basketball? Or the Anaheim Mighty Ducks in hockey? Or is this just a baseball thing?

The World Series is to the Cubs what Jennifer Aniston is to you

by mike42 on Oct 4, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: For real?

I think a World Series berth should be handed out to the Chicago White Sox. Oh, wait. That can't happen -- because they lost 90 games this season!

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

...remember, my comment was "I'm done with baseball this year IF..." The white sox ARE done. No condition precedent for that one, big guy. Have a nice offseason of Kenny trading away prospects for has beens and never weres

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Announcers from last night...

...bungled by their constant mispronouncing of both Quade and Marmol's names. You would think that they would have prepared for the game !!

Plus TBS lost the sound and had frozen pictures a number of times in my area (wow cable).

I hope the guys relax tonight. Lou needs to do his praying before the game....his bowed head during the game didn't instill much confidence.

Go Cubs !!!

by coral on Oct 4, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i liked

sato(soto)

LeTs SkIn DeM sNaKeS!!!

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cubs are fine

Webb was just nasty last night....

however the batters didn't do their jobs either with runners in scoring position

if the Cubs win the next three no one will give a crap about Game 1..

It WILL Happen!!!

by Chanman25 on Oct 4, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I may be one of the few...

...who like Boers and Bernstein. Sure, they're mean to callers, but otherwise they're about as good a sportstalk show as is on the radio. Kornheiser remains my gold standard, but I like Dan & Terry, especially with Stoney.

by BigJimSlade on Oct 4, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The reason there is much negativty also

is because people on this board were thinking "well the D-backs are gonna be easy to beat" and "they overachieved." I think it stunned people to see that the D-Backs have a good team. They won 90 games for a reason. Even though they did technically overachieved, doesn't mean that they won't give a hell of a fight..

It WILL Happen!!!

by Chanman25 on Oct 4, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not a chance.

We are all aware of the Cubs' inability to beat them, especially in Arizona.

I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 4, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it me or do people seem a great deal

more tense than yesterday.

I still believe this is a must win game tonight.

Go Cubs!

by whatiswrongwithlarussa on Oct 4, 2007 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

underestimated az...

I think we had this feeling of invincibility and inevitability last night, a feeling that has been echoed throughout the media. For some reason, we think that after all this time, the World Series is owed to us.

The tension that we feel is the truth -- that Arizona is not overmatched and won 90 games for a reason. Perhaps some of that "Cubbie Swagger" has gone to the heads of the players as well.

"They (Expos fans) discovered 'boo' is pronounced the same in French as it is in English." -Harry Caray

by IowaCubs- on Oct 4, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Respectfully disagree

We're Cubs fans. We sweat EVERYTHING. We could be playing a JV high school team and still find ways to worry. We're just suprsised they came out so flat.

I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 4, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AL

When is the game thread coming? just curious and appreciative

Thanks

Hey.....Cubs win!!!

by Hammer on Oct 4, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Right now!

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know we're not supposed to talk about Rox...

....but Matsui just hit a grand slam. With two outs..... Are the Rockies this year's (gasp) Cardinals??????

Go Cubs.......

by chucolo on Oct 4, 2007 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And how about

Hurdle putting in Josh Fogg to relieve?! I like those guys; I hope they continue to beat up on the Phillies.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Oct 4, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hurdle knows

if the Rockies take two in Philly, these series is over.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this series is over

pretty much...

and way to be classy philly fans by booing..

It WILL Happen!!!

by Chanman25 on Oct 4, 2007 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

you can stick a fork in the Phillies.

Would you expect any different from Philadelphia sports fans?

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: Yup

Wow, the might NL East has really gone down the crapper this year. What a shame.

(And by "shame" I mean YES!!!!)

The Chicago Cubs: 2007 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 4, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you have said...

... "stick a fork in the Padres" after they lost the first two games in Chicago in 1984?

Or "stick a fork in the Marlins" after they went down 3-1 to the Cubs in 2003?

I agree, Philly looks defeated. But ANYTHING can happen in a short series, especially heading to Coors Field for two games with those good Philly bats.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 4, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Diffference

Neither of those teams were on the type of roll that the Rockies are on right now.

And the Rockies have the best home record in the NL and the best overall record in the NL since June 1st.

If the Phillies dig out of this hole it will be much more surprising to me than the 2003 Marlins, the 1984 Padres or the 2004 Red Sox.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the rockies go home for two games

they will without a doubt win one of those games. Philly just looks lost out there..

It WILL Happen!!!

by Chanman25 on Oct 4, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jump

Did anyone else hear last night when Byrnes was announced last night, the played Van Halen's Jump in the background? The is the Cubs song, they should not be allowed to use it.

by drodd on Oct 4, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs