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The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #5 Billy Williams

"Billy Williams is the best hitter, day-in and day-out, that I have ever seen. He's unbelievable. He didn't hit for just one or two days, or one or two weeks. He hit all the time." -- Don Kessinger

About five years ago, I was sitting in a gate area at LaGuardia Airport in New York, waiting for a flight home to Chicago.

I looked up and saw sitting, not fifteen feet from me, Billy Williams. I'd have recognized him anywhere, despite the fact that he was then about 63 years old. He had his Hall of Fame ring on his finger, and was sitting by himself.

I was frozen. I could have had a nice conversation with him, perhaps gotten a photo with my camera phone, or had him sign an autograph. But I couldn't say a word.

That's what you get when, as an adult, you find yourself suddenly in the presence of one of your childhood heroes. While other friends of mine, Cub fans of my generation, idolized Ernie Banks for his production and sunny personality, or Ron Santo for his passion for the game and great play at third base, Billy Williams was my favorite player.

I loved the way he approached the game -- quietly, consistently producing year in and year out, literally never missing a game for years, playing in 1117 consecutive games from 1963 through 1970 (a then-NL record I wish were still his, rather than held by the current recordholder). He played in 150 or more games for twelve straight seasons, 1962-1973, and, along with Santo, is the co-club record holder for games in a season, 164 (all the decisions plus two tie games in 1965; only one man, Maury Wills, has ever played in more regular-season games in a year, and it took a three-game playoff against the Giants in 1962 to do that). I loved the "sweet swing" that got him his nickname; I used to imitate it when my friends and I played "fastpitch". I can still see Billy, the big blue number twenty-six on his back, in that left-hand batter's box at Wrigley Field, bat standing almost straight up and down, then whipping with amazing bat speed to send another rope of a line drive down the right-field line, or into the bleachers.

Billy Leo Williams was born on June 15, 1938 in Whistler, Alabama. These are facts known to every Cub fan of my generation, because Jack Brickhouse used to remind us of them constantly. He was signed in 1956 out of high school, and began playing in the Cubs' minor league system. In 1959, playing at the Double-A level in San Antonio, Williams got homesick, jumped the team, and went home to Alabama.

Buck O'Neil, then a scout for the Cubs, went to visit Billy. Although O'Neil hadn't been the one personally responsible for signing Williams, he knew of Billy's talent and thought he could become a major league star. In his wonderful and highly recommended book "I Was Right On Time", O'Neil describes how he got Williams to return to play in Texas:

I hadn't signed Billy, but I had gotten to know him and his family pretty well during his first year of pro ball in Class D. So when I showed up at his parents' home, I was as friendly as could be. I shook hands all around, making out like it was just a social call. I said nothing about Billy jumping the team. We chatted for a while, then I took them all out to dinner.

The next night his mother fixed dinner, and after the table was cleared, I said to Billy, "C'mon. Let's go out to the ballyard. There's a player I want you to see." This was just a pretense, of course, although you never knew what you might find in Mobile, the garden of such delights as Henry Aaron and Willie McCovey. When we got to the ballpark -- it was just a little sandlot league -- Billy was mobbed by the younger ballplayers. "Billy, we hear you're doin' great." "Billy, have you met Ernie Banks?" "Billy, what brings you home?"

They treated him like a superstar, and I could see that Billy enjoyed the attention. I spent five days in Mobile with the Williams family, and I never said one word about him going back to San Antonio. I never had to. What sold him was those other hungry young ballplayers. He saw what a great thing he had going, and he knew that if he blew it, there were a hundred guys waiting in line to take his place.

Out of the blue one day, Billy said, "I think I'm ready to go back." I called the office to give John Holland [the Cubs' GM] the news, and he said, "Put him on a bus and send him back to Texas." I said, "I'm not putting him on any bus. I'm putting him in my car and driving him to San Antonio." On our way to Texas we talked about a lot of things. It seems that in addition to being homesick, he was having a little crisis of confidence. I told him one day he was going to be right up there with Ernie Banks and the other big stars. "Do you really think so?" he said. "I know so," I said. Sure enough, Billy Williams is right up there with Ernie Banks -- in Cooperstown.

So credit Buck O'Neil with a "save" -- saving the professional baseball career of a kid who wasn't sure of himself, but had the talent to be a superstar, and over the next seventeen years, proved it over and over again.

Having gotten some coaching help at San Antonio from Hall of Famer Rogers Hornsby, Williams made it to Chicago in the late summer of 1959. He made his major league debut on August 6, in an otherwise unremarkable 4-2 Cub win over the Phillies. He hit only .152 that year, and a little better -- .277/.346/.489 -- in 47 at-bats in 1960, including his first major league home run, off another Williams, Stan of the Dodgers, on October 1, 1960 at the Los Angeles Coliseum.

In 1961, at the age of 23, Billy was installed as the Cubs' regular left fielder. The team was terrible -- they finished 64-90 and would have finished last if not for the even more awful Phillies -- but Billy blossomed. He hit .278/.338/.484 with 25 HR and 86 RBI, and was named National League Rookie of the Year, the first of two straight Cub ROY's (the late Kenny Hubbs being the next, in 1962).

The following year Billy began a remarkable streak -- no, not his consecutive game streak, but a series of twelve straight years in which he would drive in no fewer than 84 runs, and in ten of those years (all except 1967 and 1973) he had ninety or more. He was primarily a left fielder, although in 1965 and 1966, he played mostly in right field. He didn't really have the arm or the range to cover RF -- he played there mostly because the other options, guys like Doug Clemens, Don Landrum and Byron Browne were even worse -- and so in '67 he moved back to left field, to stay there until an ill-advised attempt to make him a first baseman in 1974.

On September 21, 1963, Billy sat out an otherwise ordinary 4-0 loss to the Braves -- Warren Spahn was pitching, and perhaps Bob Kennedy sat him against "a tough lefty". It would be the last game he would miss for nearly seven years. The next day, Billy began a consecutive-game playing streak that lasted until September 3, 1970, when Billy told manager Leo Durocher he wanted to end the streak -- it had gotten too big for him, he thought, and he didn't want the added pressure as he approached what was then the second-longest streak in history, Everett Scott's 1307 games (and after the streak had been kept going the previous year in mid-June with three token pinch-hitting appearances after he had suffered a minor injury in Cincinnati). Billy's record, which we all thought would last forever, was broken by Steve Garvey on April 16, 1983. Interesting note: had Williams not skipped that September 1963 game, his streak would have been 166 games longer (1283), as he had played in all 155 previous games that year, and the final 11 games of 1962. Along with Ron Santo, he holds the club record for games played in a season, 164 in 1965 -- the entire schedule plus two ties.

One of Billy's biggest disappoinments was never winning a MVP award, even in his two biggest years, 1970 and 1972. In 1970, a hitters' year, he hit .322/.391/.586, with 42 HR and 129 RBI. He led the National League in runs, hits (tied with Pete Rose) and total bases, but lost the MVP to Johnny Bench, who had a spectacular year for the eventual pennant-winners, the Reds. Two years later, it was the same story -- Billy won the batting title (the first Cub to do so since Phil Cavarretta in 1945) with a .333 average; the rest of his line included a .398 OBA, a .606 SLG, and finishing second in RBI (by two) and third in HR (by three) -- to Bench, who again won the MVP. That's about as close as anyone has come to winning the Triple Crown in the last forty years. Billy also led the league in 1972 in total bases, slugging percentage, OPS and extra-base hits. During one 12-game stretch in mid-July 1972, Billy went 28-for-53 (.528) with 6 HR and 17 RBI.

In a rare display of displeasure, Billy expressed his disappointment at losing out on this award, finishing a fairly distant second, twice:

Every year there seems to be a different set of rules. Look at the figures. I was ahead in average and almost even in home runs and RBIs. You have to feel you weren't awarded something you deserved and it's a feeling that sticks with you.

Well, after 13 years in the big leagues I'm going to let the other guy be the nice guy. I'm going to speak out if I see something. You get tired of people saying it's easy for you to hit .300. It's not easy. It's a lot of work.

The Cubs and Cubs fans had given their own recognition to Billy three years earlier; on June 29, 1969, the Cubs held "Billy Williams Day" at Wrigley Field, the day that Billy broke Stan Musial's NL record for consecutive games (895). With the Cubs flying high in the NL East at the time, it is possible that more people were either in Wrigley Field or attempted to get in, than on any other day in history. The announced attendance was 41,060, but contemporary estimates said that perhaps as many as 50,000 people were turned away at the gate. My friend Dave says that's the only day ever that he wanted to get into Wrigley Field and couldn't.

I wasn't there, unfortunately -- I didn't attend that many games as a 12-year-old -- but those who were not only saw a special man get a special honor and gifts from the Cubs, but also a doubleheader sweep of the Cardinals, 3-1 and 12-1, and Billy had a big on-field day as well, going 5-for-9 in the DH, with a double, two triples, four runs scored, and three RBI.

At the end of the 1973 season, the Cubs "backed up the truck" and dealt away so many of the stars we thought were going to win it all for the club. Billy was one of those who survived the initial purge, but was unhappy because the new manager, Jim Marshall, tried to play him at first base, a position he had played only briefly before 1974. The Cubs sunk to a 96-loss depth and Billy was traded to the Oakland A's shortly after the 1974 season ended, for Darold Knowles, Bob Locker, and Manny Trillo.

At Oakland, Billy was one of the first veteran stars to be used as a fulltime DH. Though he hit only .244 in 1975, he hit 23 HR and drove in 81 runs, including his 400th career HR on June 12, 1975 in Milwaukee, a game which featured a HR from a 400-HR man (Williams) and a 700-HR man (Henry Aaron) -- and it was also the first home run Aaron hit in Milwaukee as a Brewer. The A's won the AL West that year, and Billy Williams became the only position player among the famed 1969 crew (Kenny Holtzman was the only pitcher) to play in the postseason. Unfortunately, he didn't do very well -- going 0-for-7 -- and he retired as a player after the following year.

Seven years post-retirement, Billy was invited to play in a pre All-Star Game event, an AL vs. NL Old-Timer's game, at the old Comiskey Park, celebrating the 50th anniversary of the first All-Star game in 1933. In those days, baseball didn't do the big whoopty-do that surrounds the ASG now, and that Old-Timer's game was one of the very first such events, which I had the good fortune to be able to attend.

At age 44, still in playing-shape trim, he was one of the youngest players in that game. And early in that three-inning affair, he came up to bat against Hoyt Wilhelm, and promptly hit a monstrous home run into the right field upper deck.

Now, consider the sort of game this was, and that the man who was pitching was nearly 61 years old. But that home run was the talk of many national sportswriters covering the event, and got people remembering how good a hitter Billy was, and I believe it became a factor in his eventual Hall of Fame election, something that some of the writers who subsequently voted for him confirmed. His HoF vote total, 23% in 1982 and 40% in 1983, steadily climbed after that, and he was elected to the Hall in 1987 (after missing by only four votes in 1986). On August 13, 1987 the Cubs retired his uniform number 26.

Billy coached for the Cubs in varying capacities (mainly as first base and bench coach) for fifteen seasons after his retirement as a player, also spending three years in Oakland as an A's coach in the mid-1980's. The thirty-one seasons in which he wore the Cub uniform are more than any other single individual; I estimate Billy participated in over 5,000 Cubs games as a player or coach. And in each and every one of them, he conducted himself with class, dignity and grace.

Billy Williams has resided in the Chicago area since he retired from baseball; I happened to see him one other time in recent years, while I was in Arizona for spring training. I was at a restaurant and he was at a nearby table dining with his wife and some other family members -- yet another time I didn't feel I could approach him, because I think it's respectful of public figures to give them this sort of time with their families without interrupting them. But Billy, if by some chance you ever read this profile -- know this: one child of the sixties grew up idolizing you, and you lived and played the game the right way. You'll always be one of my biggest heroes.

Billy Williams' career stats at baseball-reference.com

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WOW
This messes up my top 6.
hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Feb 14, 2007 6:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great job....
He is indeed a special man and was one helluva player for our Cubbies!
I just feel so much better when I'm drinking beer.

by deadcatbounce on Feb 14, 2007 7:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Note
Billy Williams is over shadowed unjustly by Santo and Banks. He is the one player that is not at the forefront of of great Cubs players when asked, which I find to be a major shame. Billy played baseball the "Ryan Sandberg definition" right way.

I find it to be a shame he doesn't get more credit.

Thanks for the write up.

 

It takes 2 to lie. One to lie and one to listen! HJS

by Scott G F on Feb 14, 2007 7:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My all-time favorite, too
Like Al, Billy Williams was also my favorite Cub, and for the same reasons Al mentioned, the quiet, classy way he played the game. I tried to copy his swing too, but could never make it look as good as Billy's.  
Al mentioned fast-pitch.  We used to spend hours at the local school playing that, with the strike zone painted on the wall.  Do kids still play that any more?  I don't remember seeing those boxes on school walls anymore.
The other Billy Williams "thing" I used to inmitate was his habit of, when in the on-deck circle, spitting out a piece of gum (or just spitting) and hitting it with his bat.  Ah, youthful memories!

by 08 Cubs on Feb 14, 2007 8:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Al,
you aptly wrote a fitting description of a great ball player and your respect of Billy Williams shines. But, as many will argue, Sammy is left...... and he is no Billy Williams.
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 14, 2007 8:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

nice job,
anyone else notice that Andre Dawson's numbers and Billy Williams numbers are pretty similar?

by Mowbray on Feb 14, 2007 9:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely.
Billy walked more. Andre stole more bases.

Dawson has the MVP award, and some postseason play. He absolutely belongs in the HoF.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Raw Numbers
The raw numbers are similar.  But when you adjust for the offense of the period, Williams is a far far better player.   The quick way to look at this is to look at OPS+.   Dawson has a 119, Williams a 132.  Part of this has to do with the fact that Dawson stayed around longer and had a bad last several years.  But take away those years and Dawson loses many of his "counting" stats. (He ends up with less than 400 HR and less than 2500 hits).

by frustratedfan on Feb 14, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Williams
If Williams had played at the same time as Dawson, he'd have cleared 500 HRs easily.  I think it could be reasonably argued that Williams should be #1.

by Tracy on Feb 14, 2007 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you know how I feel about this
Too low, too low, too low.

Billy is my all-time favorite Cub. I think he belongs in the top 3.

HENDRY!

by cubbiejulie on Feb 14, 2007 9:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think...
...he belongs in the top 5.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 9:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!
You got that one right! Amazing!
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know
People tell me I'm brilliant all the time.

Really, I agree wholeheartedly with this ranking, despite the opinions of others.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said...
... he's one of my biggest heroes. The gradations between 1 and 5 are so slight, they might as well be co-equals.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
we are agreeing to disagree. It is all debatable and you're right the difference is small. Some will want Sandberg higher but his early retirement and unretirement in my mind hurt him, and he's my favorite, so I think I'm objective. Williams had a long, great career, we can agree on that! It's a great list, and an even better idea to post like you have. I've really enjoyed reading all of these.
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 14, 2007 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al...
Yes, I know that once you get this far it could go either way, but there is no way that Ryne Sandberg should be ahead of Billy Williams.  Looking at the numbers it's a  no brainer. I wont even post them. As for the intangibles, well, they both played the game the "right way", both were pretty good teammates as far I can tell, so Ryne doesn't even have a lead in that.  

I've disagreed with the rankings several times but, and while it doesn't matter to you or anyone else, this is the firt time I've been "disappointed" by the ranking.

Oh well.  I'll get off my soap box now.

by VS on Feb 14, 2007 9:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

While all of that is true...
...I can't overcome the fact that Sandberg is my favorite player.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sandberg vs. Williams
It's my feeling, too, that Williams was slightly better than Sandberg. Sandberg had some excellent peak years (1984, 1985, 1989, 1990), but had some off years in between. Williams was the more consistent player offensively. I wish I was old enough to remember him playing.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 14, 2007 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw both
and while Sandberg gets the points for doing it at 2nd base, I agree Williams should be higher due to longevity and consistency.  

by rlpete on Feb 14, 2007 9:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
No way should Sosa or Sandberg be in front of Williams. Top 10 is definitely a little off.
I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 14, 2007 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al....
Great writeup.  I would have done the same thing as you in the airport.  Williams was also my favorite Cub. I still have various pictures and mementos of Williams from those days.

He got robbed of the MVP in 1972.  In 1970, it was closer but 1972 should have been Billy's.  Bench won it because of the team success.      

by rlpete on Feb 14, 2007 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Man...
I love how so many people don't just say, "Al, I disagree with your rankings," but will go further and say, "YOU ARE WRONG!!!" Especially when we all know that it is 100% subjective.

Anyway, reading through, I thought we were finally going to get someone who spent his entire career with the Cubs. Not yet. Not yet.

worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 14, 2007 11:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

100% Subjective??
Nonsense.  If it were 100% subjective than a statement such as "Willie Mays was the best Cub" would not be "wrong".  Did Mays play for the Cubs?  No.  Clearly he did not.  We all agree with this.   A statement such as "Neffi Perez was the best Cub" would also be wrong.  Subjective judgment or not, that is so far from any reasonable definition of "best" as to render the term worthless if Neffi Perez can be defined as "best".  

When it comes to the present debate, certainly good arguments can be made that the ordering is "right".   But they are just that, good arguments.  There ultimately is a "true" answer to the question, the problem is that we may not be able to determine what that answer is.

In my view, the answer to the "Best Cub" is neither Banks nor Sandberg, but rather is Hartnett.  I can't prove that I am right (well I can't until one day a loud thundering voice booms over the seventh game of the World Series with the Cubs leading in the top of the ninth with two outs and two strikes on the opposing batter - who happens to be Neffi Perez facing Kerry "Killer" Wood (ERA of .25 with 50 saves and no blown saves) that the end has come, and by the way, Hartnett was the best Cub) but I am right.

by frustratedfan on Feb 14, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This all reminds me...
...that as much as I absolutely hate post modernism, I am a post modernist at heart.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is subjective...
You are thinking of relativity in ethics. Subjectivity is not an "anything goes" word. Subjective means refers to something being particular to an individual (or... let's call that person the subject) or even more accurately, having things swayed by his/her personal experiences, opinions, etc.

I guess you might be right in saying that it isn't 100% subjective, as Al did have it looked over by other people, but it's still 99% subjective (I'm saying that just so you feel good about getting something right).

Sorry, but YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG in your example. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Here's the thing: Al had an idea to create a list--it included terms such as "Cubs", "all time" and "top/best". Al then went on to define those terms (well, Cubs and all time are self-explanatory--therefore Willie Mays and God would not be correct on this subjective list). Being as he created the definitions of these terms with such subjective qualifiers as "most popular" "era that I have seen", etc., it's not too hard to see that he'd be 'right' in whatever he decided.

Anyway, I apologize that you have no idea what you're talking about. Do some research on the word subjective and relative ethics. YOU ARE WRONG!!! (god, I love my ability to tie everything together)

worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 14, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In essence...
this list is 100% subjective. You can disagree with it and say you would have rated this person here or there on your list, but really, Al is the only one who can't be "wrong".
worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 14, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't take...
...all of the deconstructionism!  But you're right.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is a "true" answer...
Al's answer!!!

The question is, "Who does Al Yellon of BleedCubbieBlue.com think are the 100 greatest Cubs of all time; and in what order what Al rank these players?"

Therefore, as long as Al is being truthful, he's right! It's not relativity. It's subjectivity. There's a difference. Unless you know Al is lying, you can't tell him he's flat-out wrong.

worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 14, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's correct.
All of the discussion of relativity and subjectivity is interesting.

The bottom line is, this is my list and I made that very clear at the beginning. I had it vetted, yes, but ultimately the choices here were mine.

Thus, they cannot be "wrong", since they are my opinion. You can disagree with them, and there have been reasonable disagreements. And I think that was part of the fun of doing this in the first place.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al
I agreed with your Rick Wilkins pick.  And your placement of Williams.

I'm not trying to be cute, I mean it.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As I've said...
... honestly, there are probably a dozen who got left off the list who could have been here.

Wilkins made it because of the fluke season. How many catchers have EVER had a 30-HR season? There's only one other Cub catcher who did. Now, there's a reasonable argument that he didn't belong. But I thought that one season deserved credit.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I always liked him
and I thought that was the point of this whole thing.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is!
n/t
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al
Your Ted Sizemore pick was right on the money!
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 14, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
I thought so too.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who were the near misses?
Just wondering who missed the list?

by cubby23 on Feb 15, 2007 12:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to go back and look...
... I had about 10-15 names I was considering that didn't make the cut.

After the series is over I think I'll make a post about this, ask for suggestons, then make a poll and maybe have a dozen or so "honorable mentions", and write profiles of them (or have volunteers help me write them), that will run occasionally over the summer.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 8:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
with him not getting the MVP in 1970. Bench got the MVP due to Reds having a great year, even though the Orioles took care of the Reds in the Series.
 Even though I am a Sandberg guy, Billy had a better career, and should be ranked higher.
 Sosa in my opinion should be below both.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 14, 2007 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good write up Al
I would have him higher than Sosa for sure. He was my favorite player too, until Ryno came along. I also would have done the same thing at the airport as you. But one time (early 90's?)as we were getting out of our car at one of the nearby parking lots I happened to see Billy walking toward Wrigley. I said something stupid like nice to see you Mr. Williams and he shook my hand. My other friends from Alabama did not know who he was at first and wondered why I was standing there with my mouth about to hit the ground. Too bad I didn't have a camera around. Seemed like a very nice person.

by LT on Feb 14, 2007 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Billy was the man
My favorite player as a kid--I was always #26 in every sport when it was available. I took pride that I batted left and threw righty like BILLY did! And yes, I'm still pissed about him getting screwed over in the MVP voting. >:-(

Thanks for the piece and for giving him the recognition he deserves.

by kentmeister on Feb 14, 2007 2:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OK, to lighten the mood
A recent Billy Williams story. ( I posted this last year, when it took place)

I'm at Petco for the finale of the 3-game set w/ the Cubs -- Sunday, May 7th. (Of course, you all know how THAT season series with the Padres went last year)

Angel Guzman is on the mound. The Cubs are trying to salvage the third and final game of the series -- from Retrosheet, pbp of the first 3 Padres, bottom of the 1st:

PADRES 1ST: Roberts singled to shortstop; Roberts stole second;
Barfield singled to right [Roberts to third, Barfield to second
(on throw)]; Giles hit a sacrifice fly to left [Roberts scored)

I'm sitting in the field boxes, first row of the "regular seats." There are, oh -- 3 rows of "Gold Boxes" in front of me, seperated by an aisle -- which allows access to these seats from another entry. There's a railing in front of me.

So, Guzman is ineffective, to start the game, as you can see. On the third or 4th pitch to Giles, he lofts a towering foul ball, and here it comes to me. My row is filled, except to my left -- 4 seats are empty. (There's nobody to battle in front of me -- there's that special aisle) There's absolutely no distraction for me! None! The ball is angling a bit to my left, to make this even easier. So, I attempt the basket catch -- the ball hits the right bottom of my left palm, then (this is really good, here) I snatch it out of the air with my right hand!

Nicely done! And, I'm pretty sure -- this has to be the game's initial ball. The first two batters singled immediately -- then a few pitches to Giles. (The ball is NOT clean, it had to have been in play for a while)

So, I'm feeling pretty good about this. (even while the Cubs are already down 2-0 in the first)
I look to my right -- sitting in seat 1 in the next section over, same row I'm in -- is Billy Williams!

Al, I understand you NOT wanting to bother Billy. However, I just had to! I waited for an inning break (when the Pads were up) then went over, approached him respectfully, and asked him -- kinda like this: "Mr Williams, would you do me the honor of signing this ball I caught just an inning ago?"

He says -- "That was you? Good catch. Certainly."
Signing: "BILLY WILLIAMS H.O.F. '87"

I thank him -- and say, I grew up in Chicago, and saw your entire career. Thank you for the memories. He said -- That's nice  I appreciate that -- Thank You."

He was surrounded by Padres fans, mostly. There were no other people coming by while I was there, because they probably didn't recognize them, and only a few (young) Cubs fans were in this section. (I believe his wife was with him, as she looked familar to me.)

So, I return. People around me asked -- who's that???? Who signed your ball? I explained -- "you recognized him?" (Well, duh.)

So, Cubs lose.

I'm walking away, and in the almost-empty main aisle, coming toward me -- it's Billy! (and wife) There's nobody else around. I hold up the ball, with his signature, and say -- "At least I have something to remember about today."

He smiles, and says -- "at least they had a few hits today."

(The ball is still in a plastic bag, I must mount the darn thing!)

A memorable day, and certainly -- a lasting impression on Billy Williams, for me.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 14, 2007 5:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice story...
Great, actually. I kind of got goosebumps. Seriously.

I would say a baseball game of a team he played his entire career for is an incredibly appropriate place to approach any baseball player. Just my opinion, though.

worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 14, 2007 5:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

great story
I'm extremely envious. Williams seems like a class fellow.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 14, 2007 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Add this....
 I am sitting "just a few yards behind 3B."  (I didn't specify wich side of the park I'm sitting on) Billy is seated the my row, which there is about 3 rows removed from the end of the Cubs dugout. (For complete accuracy)

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 14, 2007 5:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

According
to Bill James' Win Shares metric, Billy Williams has the most Win Shares in Cub history.

Just saying.  You could easily have made Billy Williams number one.  (Anson has fewer Win Shares because seasons were a lot shorter back then.)

I would have put him at #1 (or at least top three) but I certainly respect Al's ranking.  He highly values peak performance (which is why Sosa is now at least top 4 and Rick Wilkins made the list at all) and gives extra credit for having a fan following, and Al aside, Billy Williams never had the fan following that Banks, Sandberg, Sosa or even Anson had.  He just doesn't have that type of personality.  Modest, professional, intelligent and quiet.  Nothing there not to like, but little there to just fall in love with, unless you're an obsessive stat head.

Al is right though--the top seven could really go in any order.  Why is it that a team with so few World Champions have so many great players?

(On the other hand, what if they did this on a Yankee blog?  Joe DiMaggio couldn't go any higher than #4 after Ruth, Gehrig or Mantle, and I'd rank Berra ahead of Joltin' Joe.  So for the Yankees, Joe DiMaggio would occupy the same space as Billy Williams does for us.)

Time for a baseball-related sig line

by Josh77 on Feb 14, 2007 5:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Is it really...
...time for a baseball related sig line?

Also, I was thinking of what fun it would be for the Devil Rays blog to do a top 100 list.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yankee Blog
I suspect that he would even be lower than that.  Lots of other great Yankees to add to the mix.  Elston Howard, Reggie Jackson, Bill Dickey, Whitey Ford, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriquez, Lefty Gomez, Roger Clemens, and Don Mattingley.  (Heck, if a player like Sandberg can be put in the top 4 just because he is popular, so to can Mattingly.

I see at least 4 guys on that list that I put in from of DiMaggio and maybe six.

by frustratedfan on Feb 14, 2007 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way
that any of those players would get ranked ahead of DiMaggio.  Bill Dickey?  Roger Clemens?  Maybe if he'd have played his whole career in pinstripes.  Elston freaking Howard above DiMaggio?

You make it out like Mattingly would rank above DiMaggio because he was popular, but there wasn't a more popular person in the America in the 1940s than DiMaggio, and his legend mostly grew over the years.  Tell me when Simon and Garfunkel write a song mentioning Don Mattingly or Whitey Ford.

Are you sure you aren't confusing him with his brother Dom?  Because all of those guys would rank above Dom DiMaggio in Yankee greats, and not only because Dom played his whole career for the Red Sox.

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or just trying to make an argument for the sake of being obstreperous.  But the idea that anyone would think Elston Howard or Lefty Gomez was a greater Yankee than DiMaggio is silly.

Time for a baseball-related sig line

by Josh77 on Feb 15, 2007 2:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Part of this is Postion
DiMaggio was a great player.  No question at all.   That being said, he was an outfielder.   In my view an outfielder has to be "even better" to make up for the positional issues.   And that's why Derek Jeter, for example, is ahead of DiMaggio.  And Berra.  And Dickey.  Now had DiMaggio not missed those years due to the War....

by frustratedfan on Feb 15, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not just an "obsessive stat-head"...
... because I am certainly not that, but also someone who can appreciate going about your business with class and dignity every single day, and producing consistently over a very long period of time.

What a classy guy -- and SD Jazz Man's story above is wonderful, too. I'd have expected nothing else from Billy.

Next time I see him somewhere, I'm going to talk to him -- for sure. And tell him about the profile I wrote about him.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 6:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't mean
to say (although I sort of did) that only a stat-head could love Williams.  I just meant to explain what you already said, that Williams' quiet personality tended to get drowned out by the big personalities like Banks and Santo. (and even Jenkins to a degree).

A lot of people love the quiet dignity and professionalism that Williams had.  But those types will never have as many fans as the more gregarious types.  Ask Eddie Murray, whose popularity is dwarfed by that of Cal Ripken.  (OK, Cal was a better player, but not that much better.)

But statheads love Billy Williams for his consistency and the numbers he put up in a terrible hitting era (although Wrigley was a great hitter's park then).  And I love Billy Williams both for his stats and for the reasons you cite--the guy just did his job.

BTW--MIKE--I LOVE THE VALENTINE CUB!!

Time for a baseball-related sig line

by Josh77 on Feb 14, 2007 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll let Mike know...
... in case he misses this comment thread. Thanks!
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Buck O'Neil
Just another reason why Buck O'Neil not being in the HOF is a sad mistake. Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, etc... the list is a mile long of all the players Buck helped, not to mention discover, for the Cubs.

It's hard to imagine that "sweet swinging" Billy couldn't get more results out of the Cub hitters, but it just goes to show that old adage is true, "the players are the ones that perform, not the coaches."

by cubby23 on Feb 15, 2007 12:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Billy vs Sammy
I don't understand the argument that Billy was more important to the franchise than Sammy.  They got to the post-season twice with Sammy, and wouldn't have got there without him.  Billy was around longer (16 vs 13 years), he had that swing, and he's a great guy.  Sammy is a self-centered jerk.  Anson was a racist.  So what?

Superficially, there is a case to be made for Billy, as his career OPS+ = 132 vs. 129 for Sammy.  But Sammy was a negative OPS every year he wasn't with the Cubs.  His top-5 OPS+ years average 166 vs Billy's 150.  Only if you're unconcerned with peak performance and winning does Billy come out ahead of Sammy.

by bleacher on Feb 15, 2007 2:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Billy is my favorite Cub also
What an awesome hitter Billy was.  When I played baseball in my youth I wanted to be like him.  He was my favorite player in those days and still is.

I still have my Billy Williams 3D baseball card that I got in a cereal box.

Like Al said in the write up everyone knew his bio from Jack Brickhouse. Boy I sure miss Jack Brickhouse also.  Watching the Cubs just about everyday on WGN was how I learned about the game of baseball.  

Sweet Billy made playing the game look easy.

Thanks Al for doing this list of all time players it really brings back lots of memories.

by billkelly on Feb 15, 2007 4:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The streak
 My memory may be faulty, but it seems like his streak came to a end in Houston and the reason was not injury he was just tired and thought it would help the team if he took a day off. The other thing that always stood out about Williams was his ability to hit a sacrifice fly. I believe someone once commented that Billy always had one in his back pocket that he could pull out at anytime. Great man, great player.

by jimhickman on Feb 15, 2007 7:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Go look at the link in the profile...
... to the 9/3/70 game, which is the one he missed... it was at Wrigley Field. I remember it well; it was right before school started that year, I was home watching and remember that Jack Brickhouse made a big deal about the streak ending.

I think you're partly right about the reason -- Billy WAS tired, tired of the streak and tired in general, and wanted to take a day off. But it was at home, not on the road.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 8:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It figures
 Even though I remember it clearly I had a idea I was wrong. Old age I guess.

by jimhickman on Feb 15, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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