This Offensive Juggernaut Rolls On
Just after Aramis Ramirez, representing the winning run, struck out to end another frustrating Cub loss, 5-3 to the Marlins, I said, to no one in particular:
"Well, at least they made it a game."
Dave spoke first: "That's Cub talk!"
Meaning, of course, we should NOT settle for "making a game of it".
And of course, he's right. Instead of a stirring 9th-inning comeback, the Cubs managed to put the game out of reach early by any number of poor plays, including:
- Sean Marshall's first-inning error which led to a run (other than that, Marshall threw another credible game, even though I don't think he threw a single pitch over 90 MPH)
- Alfonso Soriano's failure to catch a reachable ball with two out in the 8th inning, allowing Scott Eyre's first (of two) runs to score. Yes, it wasn't an easy play. But a good major league left fielder has to make that play.
- Michael Barrett allowing Reggie Abercrombie (I said to Mike, "The Cubs should get him for one spring training, just so we can say, 'Abercrombie's playing at Fitch'") to steak two bases absolutely uncontested in the 9th inning, allowing Eyre's second run to score on a sacrifice fly. While Eyre didn't pitch all that well -- allowing four hits and two walks -- he could have gotten out of both innings unscathed, with better defense.
But the game was lost far before that, and you shouldn't have to mount a six-run rally in the last of the ninth to win against a pitcher (Byung-Hyun Kim) that you've beaten like the proverbial drum the only other times you've faced him as a starting pitcher.
The title of this post comes from something else Dave said several times throughout this yawner (and the word "offensive" can mean whatever you want it to mean) -- which was what it was until the 9th -- the Cubs left eight men on base in the first eight innings, and five different times they got a runner on base after two were out and no one was on base. That's not the best way to start rallies, as Mike reminded me, and Ramirez actually helped squelch one of them by being caught off first base after leading off the sixth with a single, when Barrett sent a soft line drive to Dan Uggla at 2B.
What more can you say? The Cubs played both well (pitching was fine, except for Eyre), and poorly (Eyre, defense, failure to hit with men on base).
Defying those who think people don't go to games on Memorial Day (I saw some comments to that effect in the game thread), the largest crowd of the year so far, 41,630, showed up on a day that started cloudy, then cleared out to bright sunshine (even though they'd turned the lights on, unnecessarily), and finally clouded over again just as the final out was recorded. The pace was Trachselesque (a word we invented in the first inning as Marshall was slogging through a 25-pitch first inning, meaning languid, taking way more time than necessary, etc)., and "blowing it all up" isn't really an option, because...
... the Brewers lost again, so the Cubs are still only five games behind, still in second place. I commend you to this Sportsline column on the Comedy Central, titled appropriately "NL Central a joke with multiple punchlines", with this description of the Cubs' bullpen:
Just about right, that. But if you think the Cubs are the only team in trouble, remember when the Brewers were 24-10, with the best record in the major leagues? And many of you thought they'd be running away with the division? They've lost 13 of their last 17.
In addition to the usual folks in left field, I was joined today by David Geiser, who's better known here as BCB reader dvdmgsr (and who I've known since our days frequenting the Cubs newsgroup; I had to ask him whether the Cubs had ever won when we'd sat together. He reminded me of a Carlos Zambrano shutout a couple of years back, so he's forgiven), and false cognate (from Houston) and his girlfriend. They're all invited back despite the loss.
Finally, rumor has it that the Cubs are zeroing in on either Matt Wieters or Josh Vitters as their #1 choice in next week's draft, or possibly one of several high school pitchers (maybe Matt Harvey or Rick Porcello). Personally, given the dearth of good catching in the organization, I'd choose Wieters. Even if he doesn't pan out as a catcher, if he can hit, he could perhaps be moved to a corner OF spot.
Just in case we don't have enough corner outfielders already.
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by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown/Red/Purple lines
Don't sit too close to the bullpen...
Enjoy.
Have no fear
by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
fundamentals
That got me thinking about Barrett. He's a good bat, of course, but he's no Damian Miller behind the plate. I know Miller was a solid clubhouse guy, but was he as good as I remember behind the plate?
Bigger picture, was the '03 team pretty good fundamentally? Outside of the rotation, the '04, '05 and '07 lineups were much stronger than the '03 squad and those pens were (on paper, at least) better -- no Alfonseca, Veres.
I know the '03 team was far from a regular-season powerhouse. But that group was MUCH better in 1-run games. It seems like since that season, the Cubs have had an odd combo of lots of talent AND lots of galling losses.
In '04 and '05, injuries played a huge role, of course, to say nothing of last year's disaster. But this year, aside from a few lost games from Lee and Soriano, the Cubs have been basically healthy.
So if we're healthy and still losing a lot of close games, does that mean are fundamentals have gotten even worse?
Yes.
I have had it said to me a couple times by people whose opinions I respect that had Miller been the Cub catcher in 2004, they would have made the playoffs easily. I think I agree.
thanks, Al
I just don't know how the Cubs could have gone from being so good in 1-run games to being SO bad, year after year, in them, with a more talented team. It's got to be fundamentals (and injuries) right?
And if that's the case, what in the hell happened to make the team so much less sound?
I'll go one better
Barrett behind the plate is a problem
Here's hoping the Cubs select Matt Wieters and his behind the plate at Wrigley very rapidly.
I wonder if Sweet Lou would ever consider moving Barrett to right field?!?
by BlueMike on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, clearly what Barrett needs...
A bad catcher
Trade Barrett to San Diego
Bad..
The best moment of the game was the military guy who lost both arms and both legs throwing out the first pitch. It was sad to see he pitched better than Scott Eyre but I like the standing ovation he got. One thing I noticed was during the Moment of Silence at 3:00 PM people were shouting out GO CUBS!!!, YEAHHHH!
Sad to see us get shutout by a guy that has an ERA of over 7.00 going into the game but looking back at the tape, Kim had some nasty stuff today. His pitches were moving all over the place.
Let's go out and win tomorrow night.
This dissapoints me
Probably the same guys that are on the phone waving to people watching on TV all game.
by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Embarrassing.
I was very
Confusion
How on earth did he throw out the first pitch? I'm not trying to be funny, I really want to know how they did this.
Part of his left arm
by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He tore 3 limbs in his arm
Abercrombie's steals
Eyre was the culprit
I agree they stole those on Eyre
True, but..
Or
Why isn't Rothschild called to the carpet for an entire bullpen, and some starters, that can't field their position at all?
Why isn't Rothschild called to the carpet for a bullpen that blows leads consistently?
I'm not sure but if a manager can get canned for the collective inabilities or failings of a 40-man roster, a pitching coach can and should be canned for four years of staff ineptitude.
And before Hendry or anyone else uses the tired excuse of "He'll be picked up in no time if he's fired."...I say fine, let him go elsewhere. His work here has been brutal.
Because he is the great Larry Rothschild
In his case
Dumping Non-Contributory Players
This logic confuses me to no end.
If a guy like Eyre is pulling down x million a year and you dump him, the Cubs eat the salary. I totally understand that. But if you replace him from the system (Pignatello - less than 2.00 ERA at Iowa), you are merely adding minimum major league salary for him.
The same goes for Jones. His millions are lost but a lesser paid player (Pie) takes his spot at the minimum.
And if you look beyond this year and into the remaining year on each of their contracts, we still pay only the minimum over what we owe Eyre and Jones.
Just trying to find a way to rid ourselves of the two most unproductive guys on this team.
We can also extend this thinking to Howry as well.
Also -- I for a long time have been one who "overlooked" Barrett's shortcomings as a catcher. But with his less than stellar approach at the plate this year, I've come to the conclusion that his lack of catching and throwing skills are really hurting us. There is no immediate solution to this problem but if other guys could pick it up at the plate, there would be less of a need for his bat. But for the time being we will be left to suffer with his inadequacies.
And Lou -- 3 runs is not insurmountable. Why trot out Eyre when down by 3? As Al said, the defense wasn't great behind him but he did allow the guys to reach. Totally blown away by Lou's decision in what was not a throw away game.
Three runs
Tankersly...
by Kyle Turney on May 28, 2007 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree, but...
by Fraggin Judge on May 28, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like the AP jumped the gun
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070528cubsgamer,1,1154630.story?coll=chi-sport stop-hed
We see this comment:
... The Marlins had their second shutout win of the season. ...
So it looks like they had their "notes" written before the game was quite over.
We can't even beat a guy with an ERA over 7
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Oh, and am I the only one who thought Lou was leaving Eyre out there to die... no matter how many runs he gave up. Just to prove a point... that Eyre sucks. I was actually rooting for the Marlins to score more in the 9th, just so Eyre could get totally shelled.
Then, of course... we decided to finally try and play offense in the 9th and score 3 runs, and even bring the winnning run to the plate. Funny how if Eyre never entered the game, those 3 runs in the 9th would've tied it up for us.
The good
I didn't think that was terrible. The strikeouts are somewhat to be expected in that situation with that guy on the mound. We did manage to score 3 runs.
I was impressed that Marshall didn't have any kind of meltdown today. He got into some tough spots early.
I flat don't like Eyre, but frankly I can only think of about 3 games that I feel like the bullpen lost for us. I know their win-loss record says otherwise, but many of those losses were in extra innings where the offense never would score. Eventually, any bullpen is gonna give something up. Yesterday was a painful loss, but the bullpen gave up 2 runs in 5 innings. If you take Eyre out of the equation, the bullpen has a pretty solid 3.65 ERA. Howry has two terrible outings, other than that has been pretty good. Wertz is having what is shaping up to be a career season. Cotts was incredible at the beginning of the season until he had those last two outings that were awful.
To me I think Lou can get more out of the pen than he is getting. Why we want to convert Cotts to a starter is beyond me. I hope that works out, but I would rather see Cotts come back to the pen and send Eyre to the DL (or AAA or AA or anywhere but here). Then I'd start stretching Wuertz a little more. If we can get 2 innings out of Wuertz from time to time or at least 1.1,1.2 then that eliminates the need to use so many guys. Marmol had better control today, so let's use him in some more low pressure outings to make sure he's ready. Then he may be able to help us. And finally, I would look around for one more quality RP, probably a leftie since Cotts future is uncertain. And then, if Kerry Wood makes it back later in the year and can contribute, then that's just icing on the cake.
In any event, the bottom line is everyone thinks their bullpen stinks when their team doesn't hit. Starters are paid to keep you in the game until you can score, but if you never do, the bullpen will give it up eventually. Even if it takes 15 innings. And these guys will hit. They already have. They're in a collective slump now, but earlier in the month, they hit pretty well, especially Soriano, Lee and Ramirez.
And finally, Al I'm not comfortable with your use of absolutes. Soriano doesn't have to make that play in LF today. He probably should make it 75-90% of the time. So today he didn't. It had little to do with why the Cubs lost. It was a pretty decent hit. Every series you state what the Cubs have to do to be a contender. But in reality, they really don't. In 2003 the Cubs were below .500 in late July. The Central was pretty bad. So let's just say that the Cubs have enough talent to win the World Series if they start playing well at the right time. Because that is absolutely true.
by Kyle Turney on May 28, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions
Loud Applause!
90%
I don't agree, though, on Soriano's play in left field. He should have made the catch. He should have extended the glove in a basket position and not upside down. I think he was trying to avoid what happened anyway: the ball got loose.
by Fraggin Judge on May 28, 2007 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How about this
I choose to single him out because for my money, he's been far, far less than what he's expected to be. I can live with the hollow .300 AVG and the hamstring helps explain the reasonably low SB totals, but the power outage that he's experienced as a Cub is absolutely killing that offense. Single digits in RBI's through much of May? I don't care where he hits in the order...that's inexcusable.
He's getting pitches to hit and is missing them or fouling them off. His bat is slow and he's swinging at terrible pitches early in the count.
Yes, they will hit...but if it isn't soon...it really won't matter.
NL Comedy Central....
Somehow we've got to get back to the basics........pitching and defense.....and consequently, maybe it's time for the Barrett catching experiment to end, as others have already noted.
Astro Wisdom
by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine this team playing any worse
I think we all agree that this team is a fundamentally poor and overall bad team, but on the bright side, this Division just might be worse than the Cubs bad.
took the words right out of my mouth
And the POSSIBILITY of trading Barrett needs to be seriously examined.
The problem....
The Cubs are a year late in dealing him. It should have happened last year when he was putting up career best numbers.
by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
you're probably right
Trade Barrett for another upcoming FA
Bonehead Barrett
It was hard to get that point across the last couple seasons because he has produced with the bat and the skeptics of the importance of a good Defensive catcher, could easily skip that notion and use his offensive production or his "Silver Slugger" award as their main argument.
Now that he's struggling, his defensive fodders behind the plate, are glaring.
As far as trading him, he's another example of the lack of foresight that Hendry possesses. The Cubs should've traded him last season (as I said many times) when his stock was at the absolute zenith of his ML career. As of right now, he isn't nearly as attractive to another team as we Cub fans would think. Who would seriously give up something of value for a Catcher who shouldn't be a Catcher and is hitting below .205? Answer is zero.
He obviously would have more value to an AL club where he can be used as a DH, where he belongs.
timeforchange
Excpet mine appearantly a little slower as it took me 10 minutes to write that post.
I am still......
And yes great minds think alike. I am honored to follow in your footsteps....
by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
HAha
No......
by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
But as you say
OK..........
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
The argument with Barrett.......
If you think this team is going to make the playoffs, then yes I suppose trading Lee would be a bad move.......I don't think this team is going to make the playoffs so I don't see any reason not to trade someone who going forward is only going to get worse, especially when it could make this team better than it is now.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry has never read that memo
See... Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi, Juan Cruz, Jason Dubois, Kyle Farnsworth, Sosa, Corey Patterson. He ran them all into the ground first... then dealt them.
And expectesd in the near future:
Ronny Cedeno (who everyone in the league wanted when he was still a top prospect).
Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre (whom could've been dealt at the deadline last year when teams in contention overspend for relief).
I know......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Question regarding Barrett...
And don't say Geovany Soto.
I believe...
Yabbut...
Oh, lord.
OK...
Fox can hit, but I think the consensus is that he would be about 100 times worse than Michael Barrett defensively.
Robinson's at least a year away, maybe two, IF he's even a major league catcher.
Next?
That's it.
Your free agent options:
Jorge Posada (36)
Ivan Rodriguez (36) - $13MM club option for '08
Paul Lo Duca (36)
Michael Barrett (31)
Jason Kendall (34)
Ugh.
Now, before you criticize me for saying Posada is "horrifying", I think he'll stay in NY; plus, he's 36. Do you want to give a big free-agent deal to a 36-year-old catcher who, by the end of this year, will have caught well over 1300 games?
Yeah, me either. Same deal with I-Rod.
A one-year deal with a...
The problem is...
The Yankees will, and they will pay a steep price for doing so, not only in dollars but in the inevitable production dropoff.
I'm not saying...
And if Soto is only playing 60-70 games and is solid defensively (I know very little about Soto's defense), I don't see the problem with using him as a backup catcher. Few teams have great backup catchers - they're usually just solid defensive fill-ins. The key to a Blanco/Soto combo would be Soto's adequacy defensively and Blanco's ability to to maintain his solid defense over 100 or so games instead of just 50-60.
by SouthernCub on May 29, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Matt Weiters
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't hurt worse than Barrett......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
You're nuts
Cruz couldn't throw strikes and is marginal now. Dubois was never a prospect. Farnsworth is insane and Patterson was (and arguable still is) nothing more than a fledgling OF.
Blame Hendry for certain things but certainly not for getting less than full value, and more, for the guys you've mentioned.
"Blame Hendry for certain things......
Hold on.......it doesn't matter what those players turned out to be because at one time those players had some value and Hendry decided to hang on to them instead......really, he does deserve some blame because he's afraid to deal prospects.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You're nuts too
Their value was indeed shown...they were as valuable as two major league starting position players with upside. Hendry hardly traded Hill and Choi at an all-time low. What is their value now?
That's just laughable.
Hendry doesn't believe in Branch Rickey's
Deal Lee?
Okay
Consider A-Ram, who many said was one of the primary beneficiaries of a D lee. Yet A Ram had one of his best defensive years with few throwing errors LAST year, when Lee was hurt and we had poor fill ins.
So, quanitify your terms.
by frustratedfan on May 28, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Only the best player in the NL
what an idiotic
by bennyha on May 29, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
How about Youkilis?
by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you Kyle Turney
"Offensive"
"Offensive" is a good word...
and "putrid".
Awful
The National League is bad. The NL Central is brutally bad. What does this say about the Cubs?!? It's not like the Cubs are an awful team in a mega-competitive league and division.
The new ownership group can't happen soon enough. Hopefully the new group will come in a drop the atomic bomb on the front office and minor league system.
by BlueMike on May 28, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
Awful and............
Jim Hendry has been given a gift. He has been has been given control of a team where fan support is unquestionable and a payroll which does not stop him from making the moves necessary to compete. Jim Hendry has failed miserably. THIS IS NOT BITCHING!!!!! This is fact.
I want the Cubs to win. We all do. Some may say that the bitching is too much. IMHO, I say it is not enough. I want excellence. Hell, I demand it. Is that too much to ask for?
by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What to ask for..
Very few sports teams can truly deliver excellence. Personally, I think improvement is more important. Do I see improvement? Not really, but I see aggregate numbers indicating that the starting pitching is solid and the bats are still better than most of the NL.
Let's see where we are in July.
While....
I know we are only 5 games back, but that is 100% due to the weak ass division the team plays in. If not for every other team shitting the bed, we would already be talking about next year.
This is unacceptable. Can you imagine if this happened in Boston or NY? Just look at what King George is up to and his team has made the playoffs every year for over a decade! If you demand excellence and hold people accountable, IMHO, you have a greater shot at success.
by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
We all wanted...
He can't go out there and do the players' jobs for them.
Yes, this team needs to be better fundamentally. But in this "weak ass division", as you put it, they DO have a chance, especially if the starting pitching continues to be outstanding.
Doesn't matter how you get in. If you get in, you've got a shot at winning everything, as last year's Cardinals (and quite a number of other teams) have proven.
I am not sure.....
First I never mentioned Lou. My beef is with Hendry.
Second, I am in agreement with you about the playoffs. If a team gets in, anything can happen. That is why I mentioned the Cards.
Finally, you make my arguement for me. "He can't go out there and do the players jobs for them". Whose fault is that Al? How long has Hendry been the GM? This is his team.
by timeforachange on May 29, 2007 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.,.
I'll give Hendry credit for improving the roster..
Couldn't have said it better myself
For the resources he has been give, along with the time he has had to develop talent on the farm, the man has failed many times over, and has set the franchise back a number of years. Furthermore, his buddy, Rothschild is another one that can keep having staffs that are near (or at) the league lead in walks, and get a pass as well.
I just don't understand it.
Rumor out of St. Louis
by BlueMike on May 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions
How many minutes of that phone conversation
Why laugh at the Cubs...
1. They just won a World Series
No surprise that the rumor is out of StL
Good deal for the
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Barrett's defensive regression is mindnumbing
Couldn't agree more
Catchers are the 2nd most position on the field (next to the pitcher), and they contribute (or harm) teams in many subtle ways the average fan does not comprehend. Just another flaw in how Hendry assembles a team.
There's a reason Maddux had Blanco...
Calls a good game
Blocks everything in the dirt
Throws out base stealers
All that can save you "invisible" runs during the course of a game.
I agree
Worst Cubs losses
Any of this weekend's losses qualify? Should I revise?
This Cubs team
From Phil Rogers today...
Well... I give the Yankees a pass
? Don't get it.
what a day...
i must say, the cardinals look truly terrible this year. a beautiful day for baseball here in denver, but a bit too high on the hollow patriotism for my tastes. coors field was packed with cardinal red. i wore my cubs hat. kip wells was atrocious and the card's offense was constantly sputtering. i was at least happy to bear witness to how low they have sunk this year.
what else can any of us say about this cubs team except -> let's see if we can get back on track starting tomorrow........(sigh)
I went near the Cubs bullpen during BP...
Is there some rule
<<Sean Marshall's first-inning error which led to a run (other than that, Marshall threw another credible game, even though I don't think he threw a single pitch over 90 MPH)>>
Even though the game was a dreary, depressing one
Anyway, I don't get out to the bleachers much, but I'll make a point of dropping by next time I do -- I had fun, but even the most excruciating games are still days of baseball, which is great in and of itself.
by deJesus Freak on May 29, 2007 12:42 AM CDT reply actions
NO CONSISTENCY
How the hec can these guys get comfortable if everyday they are playing a different position are benched are starting are batting in a different spot..... THATS A PROBLEM FOLKS...
and its probably worth about a run or 2 a game which is what is costing us........
Lou's honeymoon is over for me....
You can defend him like people did Dusty til the end but he should know his players already... and this play everybody everyday approach IS NOT WORKING
Well said...
by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Off-Topic
Two years old...
Many teams have an "A-to-Z" guide on their websites which answer questions like this. The Cubs don't. They could really use one.
Thanks so much,
LOL
This Friday,
2 and under are free
Children 2 and under are free on adults lap.
It's in the lower left corner of the pop-up allowing you to select your seat preference...
by roscoevillage on May 29, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for finding this.
Cubs Offering Murton For Relief Help
"The Chicago Cubs desperately need bullpen help, and reportedly would part with outfielder Matt Murton in the right deal."
For a team built to win now, that might make sense. Sure, you'd rather see the more expensive Jacque Jones go, but teams would of course rather acquire the younger, cheaper Murton. Murton, 25, only has 87 ABs this year. Cubs fans hoped to see him get a full-time look following a solid .297/.365/.444 season, but Lou Piniella hasn't complied.
What kind of deals might work here? To the Nationals for Jon Rauch or Chad Cordero? To the White Sox for Mike MacDougal? That'd be a tasty crosstown deal. Is he enough to bring in Scott Linebrink, Eric Gagne, or Akinori Otsuka? I have a hard time pinning down Murton's market value because I'm a Cubs fan. He seems a touch more than a tweener, perhaps a guy who can become a healthy version of a late-20s Rondell White.
The Cubs got White from the Expos at the 2000 trading deadline for Scott Downs. Downs was a 21 year-old southpaw coming off a 1.35 ERA and 11.36 K/9 in Double A the year before.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/05/cubs_offering_m.html
Linebrink...
Stay FAR away from Mike MacDougal. He is an arm injury waiting to happen.
Seriously Al......
The Padres have been a "cheap" organization. They also are contending. This deal makes no sense.
As for Mike MacDougal, I agree with you.
by timeforachange on May 29, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Because
by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Murton may be cheap.....
I know there is a lot of love for Murton here. His value is not what you would like it to be.
by timeforachange on May 29, 2007 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Good grief
by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Hasn't complied?
Hey, they aren't my words
Hendry should've dealt Murton in the off-season, when he knew he was planning to sign Soriano & Floyd... and he couldn't find a taker for Jones.
But, he's fat tub of lard who has no business running a baseball team.
What needs to be done
B. Bench Jacque Jones. Yep, you heard me. The guy who has defended Jones in the past. Right now Jones is in a funk. He needs time off to get his offensive game pieced back together.
C. Call up Felix Pie. I'm pretty sure we can't possibly be a worst team with Pie's bat in the lineup.
D. Trade Matt Murton. He cannot be trotted out to right field any longer.
E. Send a wake-up call and trade Scott Eyre. If Hendry can swap Eyre for a similar awful player and contract, then go for it. If Hendry needs to eat a shit sandwich and swallow a lot of salary to make Eyre go away, then so be it.
F. Put Bob Howry on the DL with Wade Miller disease. See if 15 days off can get him turned around. Send out an All-Points-Bulletin for his velocity too.
G. Get Ryan Theriot in the lineup 5 days a week. Just do it.
by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
Just...
But... it's a rare thing when teams are willing to make trades to get bad players. Seriously.
Well...
by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree...
And trading a 25 year old with a .350+ career OBP and .800+ OPS for a bag of seeds is just dumb. He has value, and if he is to be traded (and I'm still not sold on the idea that this is the best approach) then we should get that value for him. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he should be thrown away. I really don't think trading him makes any sense actually. He's currently our only RH pinch hitting option (where he's been quite solid actually), and he's been our 3rd-best hitting OF among players with at least 90 AB, and he's cheap.
by SouthernCub on May 29, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
You're always criticizing
One positive I'd like to point out...
Problem is
Can you point me to...
by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You just said it
Thank you....
Yawn
Thank you for the outstanding counter-argument.
You have nothing but an opinion
Based upon his play so far, he is adequately suited for the starting SS job. And, in comparison to Izturis, he is a HOF candidate. Believe what you want but it's unsupportable to arrogantly dismiss others who have seen and know the game at least as well as you claim.
Useless bit of trivia...
Not only did he pitch "a" scoreless inning, he actually made four pitching appearances in his career covering FIVE scoreless innings.
It is believed, but not confirmed, that this is the most innings pitched in baseball history by ANYONE who did not allow at least one earned run.
Doug's career stats at baseball-reference.com
Hendry must be drinking Guiness
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well."
Sounds like one of the Cub
Barrett is killing us
if we were to let him go--what would our options be behind home plate?? Isn't AJ a free agent too? And a lefty hitter....clutch, would inject some fire into the team, nice platoon with Blanco (and surely an upgrade defensively).
Barrett, Jones, Izturis most likely not to be back with team in '08 or even after trade deadline, even tho they may not yield much in return...the only chance is that a contending team loses a key player and needs a fill-in, like the Sox now with Ozuna...If another team loses its starting C, RF or SS, we will be able to "sell'' with higher return.
by writerinwrigley on May 29, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
No disrespect to anyone
Again, look at the past world series winners, and you won't find one without a top end defensive catcher that takes control of a game, and knows how to handle pitchers:
Damien Miller - Diamondbacks
Posada - Yankess
Varitek - Red Sox
AJ - White Sox
Pudge - Marlins/tigers
Molina - Angels/Cards
Hendry has built softball teams, with no clue as to the emence value a catcher brings to the team.
Yep
I would quit....
by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as it pains me to say
by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I've thought about this.
But he plays to win. And if he's on your team, you love him (well, the Giants didn't, but there must have been reasons cough*Bonds*cough for that).
If the White Sox are out of the race by July AJ might even be available in trade. Why not swap free-agent-to-be catchers?
AJ's a jerk...that I'd love on the Cubs
by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
AJ is all about winning games...
I'm sure I will get lambasted for not sacrificing respectability as a person for respectability as a team. There has got to be another/better way.
If he becomes
The same way
by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I loathe AJ and I will not follow the Cubs if he is on this team. Just looking at the man makes me ill.
Not quite the same, IMO...
Should the Cubs
by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry
Alf.... then Mitre - Nolasco for Juan Pierre....
Not to mention they didn't give Scott Olsen
the time of day when he wanted to paly for the
Cubs....... Its been great for the Marlins we
gave them a Pitching Staff for zip
by FlaCub on May 29, 2007 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
Not quite accurate
Hendry's Relative
by FlaCub on May 29, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Confused
How so?
March 27, 2002: Traded by the Florida Marlins with Antonio Alfonseca to the Chicago Cubs for Julian Tavarez, Ryan Jorgensen, Dontrelle Willis, and Jose Cueto (minors).
Clement went 14-12 as the number 3/4 pitcher on the 2003 team. He made over 90 starts in 3 years for the team. Considering the durability issues the team has had on the mound, they really needed that.
Willis was a 19 y.o. in low A ball when the Cubs traded him after the 2001 season. Do you know how many pitchers in low A ball fail? Look at how many Cubs pitching prospects have failed. Justin Jones, Bobby Brownlie to start.
There is a lot to be critical of when it comes to Jim Hendry. I don't think the Willis trade is one of those.
No
by tommy veryzer on May 29, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, he's right...
In this case, the deal turned out a bust for the Cubs because (1) Willis outperformed EVERYONE'S expectations, (2) Alfonseca turned back into a tub of useless lard. The Cubs actually got 3 pretty strong years out of Clement, before (wisely) letting him walk after 2004. But at the time, the deal looked pretty nice for the Cubs. It just turned out that the two "throw-ins" happened to have the better results.
That said,
by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
They had some big hits
Back to the Damian Miller arguement
Look back over the last couple of years - there's a reason that Maddux, Prior, and now Z have wanted Blanco as their "personal catcher" - he calls a much, much better game than the reformed-third-baseman Barrett does - problem is that he can't hit like Michael can. If he could, you'd never see Barrett's face except every 7th or 8th game or so.
by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
We need a Molina
by NO100 on May 29, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs VS Willis
Yes we have handled Willis well in the past. I don't even need stats to tell you this.
2003 in the NLCS in Miami we score a ton of runs off of Willis and that was the game Aramis hit the grand slam.
Now Some Stats:
Last year we beat him 3-1. We went 1-0 against him
In 2005 we went 1-1 against him.
In 2004 it doesn't look like we had a decision against him.
In 2003 we blasted him winning 16-2.
This is the NLCS game that we beat him in:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2003/B10110FLO2003.htm
So we are 4-1 career against him from what I can see. Hopefully Al can verify this in his game preview tonight.

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