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This Offensive Juggernaut Rolls On

Just after Aramis Ramirez, representing the winning run, struck out to end another frustrating Cub loss, 5-3 to the Marlins, I said, to no one in particular:

"Well, at least they made it a game."

Dave spoke first: "That's Cub talk!"

Meaning, of course, we should NOT settle for "making a game of it".

And of course, he's right. Instead of a stirring 9th-inning comeback, the Cubs managed to put the game out of reach early by any number of poor plays, including:

  • Sean Marshall's first-inning error which led to a run (other than that, Marshall threw another credible game, even though I don't think he threw a single pitch over 90 MPH)
  • Alfonso Soriano's failure to catch a reachable ball with two out in the 8th inning, allowing Scott Eyre's first (of two) runs to score. Yes, it wasn't an easy play. But a good major league left fielder has to make that play.
  • Michael Barrett allowing Reggie Abercrombie (I said to Mike, "The Cubs should get him for one spring training, just so we can say, 'Abercrombie's playing at Fitch'") to steak two bases absolutely uncontested in the 9th inning, allowing Eyre's second run to score on a sacrifice fly. While Eyre didn't pitch all that well -- allowing four hits and two walks -- he could have gotten out of both innings unscathed, with better defense.
Which would have made the stirring 9th-inning rally a meaningful one, especially with the tying run on base and Derrek Lee and Ramirez due up. Those are, in theory, the guys you want at the plate in game situations -- but Kevin Gregg, one of the more experienced pitchers in the Marlins bullpen (four years, two postseason appearances with the Angels) struck both of them out, throwing 96 MPH at both of them, and give Gregg credit where it's due.

But the game was lost far before that, and you shouldn't have to mount a six-run rally in the last of the ninth to win against a pitcher (Byung-Hyun Kim) that you've beaten like the proverbial drum the only other times you've faced him as a starting pitcher.

The title of this post comes from something else Dave said several times throughout this yawner (and the word "offensive" can mean whatever you want it to mean) -- which was what it was until the 9th -- the Cubs left eight men on base in the first eight innings, and five different times they got a runner on base after two were out and no one was on base. That's not the best way to start rallies, as Mike reminded me, and Ramirez actually helped squelch one of them by being caught off first base after leading off the sixth with a single, when Barrett sent a soft line drive to Dan Uggla at 2B.

What more can you say? The Cubs played both well (pitching was fine, except for Eyre), and poorly (Eyre, defense, failure to hit with men on base).

Defying those who think people don't go to games on Memorial Day (I saw some comments to that effect in the game thread), the largest crowd of the year so far, 41,630, showed up on a day that started cloudy, then cleared out to bright sunshine (even though they'd turned the lights on, unnecessarily), and finally clouded over again just as the final out was recorded. The pace was Trachselesque (a word we invented in the first inning as Marshall was slogging through a 25-pitch first inning, meaning languid, taking way more time than necessary, etc)., and "blowing it all up" isn't really an option, because...

... the Brewers lost again, so the Cubs are still only five games behind, still in second place. I commend you to this Sportsline column on the Comedy Central, titled appropriately "NL Central a joke with multiple punchlines", with this description of the Cubs' bullpen:

Bullpen's idea of a good night is if it emerges with only second-degree burns.

Just about right, that. But if you think the Cubs are the only team in trouble, remember when the Brewers were 24-10, with the best record in the major leagues? And many of you thought they'd be running away with the division? They've lost 13 of their last 17.

In addition to the usual folks in left field, I was joined today by David Geiser, who's better known here as BCB reader dvdmgsr (and who I've known since our days frequenting the Cubs newsgroup; I had to ask him whether the Cubs had ever won when we'd sat together. He reminded me of a Carlos Zambrano shutout a couple of years back, so he's forgiven), and false cognate (from Houston) and his girlfriend. They're all invited back despite the loss.

Finally, rumor has it that the Cubs are zeroing in on either Matt Wieters or Josh Vitters as their #1 choice in next week's draft, or possibly one of several high school pitchers (maybe Matt Harvey or Rick Porcello). Personally, given the dearth of good catching in the organization, I'd choose Wieters. Even if he doesn't pan out as a catcher, if he can hit, he could perhaps be moved to a corner OF spot.

Just in case we don't have enough corner outfielders already.

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I just checked in
For my flight tomorrow from San Antonio to O'Hare, ready to sit next to the Bullpen on Wednesday Night.  I'm 3-0 at Wrigley Field, so lets hope something good continues!
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Email me...
... your seat location, I'll stop by and say hi.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 28, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done
Any updates on the Red/Brown line construction?  I'll likely be taking the train from the Howard park-n-ride Wednesday night.  From what I've heard, it shouldn't be too bad since I'll be coming from the north.
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brown/Red/Purple lines
So far it's been going OK.  Trains are delayed a little, because they switch onto a single track at Fullerton and at Belmont.  But the delays are not horrible.

by ChipSet on May 28, 2007 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't sit too close to the bullpen...
...Lou just might try to bring you into the game! I bet you could pitch better than most of the guys in there!

Enjoy.

by bergs55 on May 28, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have no fear
I'll be next to the Florida bullpen.  Though if they try to call me in, I'll do my best Ohman impression!
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

fundamentals
Haven't watched any games in several days, but from the recaps I've read, poor fundamental play seems to be killing the Cubs almost as much as the bullpen.

That got me thinking about Barrett. He's a good bat, of course, but he's no Damian Miller behind the plate. I know Miller was a solid clubhouse guy, but was he as good as I remember behind the plate?

Bigger picture, was the '03 team pretty good fundamentally? Outside of the rotation, the '04, '05 and '07 lineups were much stronger than the '03 squad and those pens were (on paper, at least) better -- no Alfonseca, Veres.

I know the '03 team was far from a regular-season powerhouse. But that group was MUCH better in 1-run games. It seems like since that season, the Cubs have had an odd combo of lots of talent AND lots of galling losses.

In '04 and '05, injuries played a huge role, of course, to say nothing of last year's disaster. But this year, aside from a few lost games from Lee and Soriano, the Cubs have been basically healthy.

So if we're healthy and still losing a lot of close games, does that mean are fundamentals have gotten even worse?

by elgato on May 28, 2007 6:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes.
And, I'd also say yes to the question of how good Damian Miller was behind the plate. I think a lot of the success of Wood, Prior and Zambrano in particular can be credited to Miller.

I have had it said to me a couple times by people whose opinions I respect that had Miller been the Cub catcher in 2004, they would have made the playoffs easily. I think I agree.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 28, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, Al
Beyond Miller, were the rest of the Cubs in '03 that much better fundamentally?

I just don't know how the Cubs could have gone from being so good in 1-run games to being SO bad, year after year, in them, with a more talented team. It's got to be fundamentals (and injuries) right?

And if that's the case, what in the hell happened to make the team so much less sound?

by elgato on May 28, 2007 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll go one better
What if the Cubs would have ponied up for Pudge when he was available?  Now, that would have made a tiny bit of difference.  Hendry has no clue how to place value on certain skills at different positions, and how they impact a team over 162.  
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 28, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

so true..
Pudge practically begged to come here. One of the worst non-signs of Hendry's tenure here.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 29, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barrett behind the plate is a problem
The Cubs haven't been the same since Damian Miller was the primary catcher.  Nobody disputes the fact that Barrett is a quality hitter.  However, he absolutely kills this team behind the plate.  

Here's hoping the Cubs select Matt Wieters and his behind the plate at Wrigley very rapidly.  

I wonder if Sweet Lou would ever consider moving Barrett to right field?!?  

"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, clearly what Barrett needs...
...is to go to right field. Because that's what you do with a defensive liablity at catcher -- you make him throw over the second baseman from the outfield instead of behind the plate. I'm far more comfortable conceeding the stolen base than I am pretty much ANY play ever in the infield.

by cwyers on May 28, 2007 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

A bad catcher
creates much more damage than just stolen bases, and Barrett contributes plenty.
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trade Barrett to San Diego
They need RH hitting and Bard hasn't hit this year.     SD's outfield's nothing special, so send Murton along too and get Linebrink.  Just go w/ Blanco and trade for a backup catcher or something.  I'm so sick of Barrett.  
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on May 28, 2007 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad..
I went to this game and I have a massive headache.  I will say the crowd was great during the bottom of the 9th rallying our Cubs to comeback.

The best moment of the game was the military guy who lost both arms and both legs throwing out the first pitch.  It was sad to see he pitched better than Scott Eyre but I like the standing ovation he got.  One thing I noticed was during the Moment of Silence at 3:00 PM people were shouting out GO CUBS!!!, YEAHHHH!

Sad to see us get shutout by a guy that has an ERA of over 7.00 going into the game but looking back at the tape, Kim had some nasty stuff today.  His pitches were moving all over the place.

Let's go out and win tomorrow night.

by gocubs40 on May 28, 2007 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

This dissapoints me
One thing I noticed was during the Moment of Silence at 3:00 PM people were shouting out GO CUBS!!!

Probably the same guys that are on the phone waving to people watching on TV all game.

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on May 28, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
Just went back to look at it on tape and it was a lot more than one person.  They showed army veterans shaking their heads when it was happening.
Embarrassing.

by gocubs40 on May 28, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was very
disappointed in the fans who did that. Lack of respect for sure.
Make this game number 10 for games the Cubs should have won but found a way to lose. - MrDurden, 5-24-07

by sue369 on May 28, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Confusion
You write:
The best moment of the game was the military guy who lost both arms and both legs throwing out the first pitch.

How on earth did he throw out the first pitch?  I'm not trying to be funny, I really want to know how they did this.

by Rev Gunia on May 28, 2007 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Abercrombie's steals
Barrett had no chance on the Abercrombie steals - Eyre did nothing to hold him on. After the game, even Lou commented something to the effect of, "you have to at least look at the runner"

by goldstj2 on May 28, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Eyre was the culprit
He stole both those bases on Scott Eyre.  He had such a good jump when he stole second that he could have crawled there and made it.  That's why Barrett didn't throw.  The steal of third, Barrett bobbled the ball causing a delay, I think with a good throw he might have been thrown out, but he got another good jump from second too.  Both stolen bases were from Eyre, not Barrett.

by RynoHoF on May 28, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree they stole those on Eyre
but Barrett has little chance on most guys who steal.
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 28, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but..
I'm so tired of this. Why isn't Rothschild called on the carpet on this?? Every year it's the same thing. Why isn't the pitching coach coaching the pitchers on how to hold runners on??/ Disgusting.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 29, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or
Why isn't Rothschild called to the carpet on having an entire staff that consistently pitches behind in the count?

Why isn't Rothschild called to the carpet for an entire bullpen, and some starters, that can't field their position at all?

Why isn't Rothschild called to the carpet for a bullpen that blows leads consistently?

I'm not sure but if a manager can get canned for the collective inabilities or failings of a 40-man roster, a pitching coach can and should be canned for four years of staff ineptitude.

And before Hendry or anyone else uses the tired excuse of "He'll be picked up in no time if he's fired."...I say fine, let him go elsewhere.  His work here has been brutal.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because he is the great Larry Rothschild
n/t
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

In his case
perception has trumped reality.
If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 29, 2007 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dumping Non-Contributory Players
Many of us from time to time look at what a number of these guys on the Cubs are contributing and say we cannot get rid of them because of their salaries.
This logic confuses me to no end.
If a guy like Eyre is pulling down x million a year and you dump him, the Cubs eat the salary. I totally understand that. But if you replace him from the system (Pignatello - less than 2.00 ERA at Iowa), you are merely adding minimum major league salary for him.
The same goes for Jones. His millions are lost but a lesser paid player (Pie) takes his spot at the minimum.
And if you look beyond this year and into the remaining year on each of their contracts, we still pay only the minimum over what we owe Eyre and Jones.
Just trying to find a way to rid ourselves of the two most unproductive guys on this team.
We can also extend this thinking to Howry as well.
Also -- I for a long time have been one who "overlooked" Barrett's shortcomings as a catcher. But with his less than stellar approach at the plate this year, I've come to the conclusion that his lack of catching and throwing skills are really hurting us. There is no immediate solution to this problem but if other guys could pick it up at the plate, there would be less of a need for his bat. But for the time being we will be left to suffer with his inadequacies.
And Lou -- 3 runs is not insurmountable. Why trot out Eyre when down by 3? As Al said, the defense wasn't great behind him but he did allow the guys to reach. Totally blown away by Lou's decision in what was not a throw away game.

by ceegeewow on May 28, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Three runs
generally is an insurmountable lead with this team. I think running Eyre out there today speaks volumes about Lou's confidence in his teams ability to come back from behind.

by qccub on May 28, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tankersly...
..wouldn't have been in there to allow the rally to start if Eyre hadn't give up those runs. So we probably would've lost 3-0 instead of 5-3.
"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on May 28, 2007 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree, but...
ironically, the 3 runs scored on Eyre, turned out to be the decisive ones. Go figure!

by Fraggin Judge on May 28, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like the AP jumped the gun
I've always wondered how those wire-service stories get written and posted so fast after a ball game ends.  In the story about today's game (as seen in the online Tribune):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070528cubsgamer,1,1154630.story?coll=chi-sport stop-hed

We see this comment:
... The Marlins had their second shutout win of the season. ...

So it looks like they had their "notes" written before the game was quite over.

by ChipSet on May 28, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Fixed now
The Trib story was updated at 7:07pm CDT and the reference to the "shutout" has been removed.

by ChipSet on May 28, 2007 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can't even beat a guy with an ERA over 7
And the Brewers have now lost 6 straight... and we can't make up any fuckign ground.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Oh, and am I the only one who thought Lou was leaving Eyre out there to die... no matter how many runs he gave up. Just to prove a point... that Eyre sucks. I was actually rooting for the Marlins to score more in the 9th, just so Eyre could get totally shelled.

Then, of course... we decided to finally try and play offense in the 9th and score 3 runs, and even bring the winnning run to the plate. Funny how if Eyre never entered the game, those 3 runs in the 9th would've tied it up for us.

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

The good
Al- You indicated Lee and Ramirez struck out in the 9th. I think you meant Soriano and Ramirez.

I didn't think that was terrible. The strikeouts are somewhat to be expected in that situation with that guy on the mound. We did manage to score 3 runs.

I was impressed that Marshall didn't have any kind of meltdown today. He got into some tough spots early.

I flat don't like Eyre, but frankly I can only think of about 3 games that I feel like the bullpen lost for us. I know their win-loss record says otherwise, but many of those losses were in extra innings where the offense never would score. Eventually, any bullpen is gonna give something up. Yesterday was a painful loss, but the bullpen gave up 2 runs in 5 innings. If you take Eyre out of the equation, the bullpen has a pretty solid 3.65 ERA. Howry has two terrible outings, other than that has been pretty good. Wertz is having what is shaping up to be a career season. Cotts was incredible at the beginning of the season until he had those last two outings that were awful.

To me I think Lou can get more out of the pen than he is getting. Why we want to convert Cotts to a starter is beyond me. I hope that works out, but I would rather see Cotts come back to the pen and send Eyre to the DL (or AAA or AA or anywhere but here). Then I'd start stretching Wuertz a little more. If we can get 2 innings out of Wuertz from time to time or at least 1.1,1.2 then that eliminates the need to use so many guys. Marmol had better control today, so let's use him in some more low pressure outings to make sure he's ready. Then he may be able to help us. And finally, I would look around for one more quality RP, probably a leftie since Cotts future is uncertain. And then, if Kerry Wood makes it back later in the year and can contribute, then that's just icing on the cake.

In any event, the bottom line is everyone thinks their bullpen stinks when their team doesn't hit. Starters are paid to keep you in the game until you can score, but if you never do, the bullpen will give it up eventually. Even if it takes 15 innings. And these guys will hit. They already have. They're in a collective slump now, but earlier in the month, they hit pretty well, especially Soriano, Lee and Ramirez.

And finally, Al I'm not comfortable with your use of absolutes. Soriano doesn't have to make that play in LF today. He probably should make it 75-90% of the time. So today he didn't. It had little to do with why the Cubs lost. It was a pretty decent hit. Every series you state what the Cubs have to do to be a contender. But in reality, they really don't. In 2003 the Cubs were below .500 in late July. The Central was pretty bad. So let's just say that the Cubs have enough talent to win the World Series if they start playing well at the right time. Because that is absolutely true.

"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on May 28, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Loud Applause!
Perfectly stated and right on the money! A true voice of reason. So now you'll be ridiculed by the genius armchair GMs with the mob mentality or ignored.
"In the olden days, the umpire didn't have to take any courses in mind reading. The pitcher told you he was going to throw at you." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on May 28, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

90%
I agree with most of what you wrote. I've been making the same point about the bullpen. Basically, Eyre has been consistently bad. The other relievers in the roster now have been good. You can't expect them to be perfect. The day that this team hits better in key situations and run the bases better, the bullpen will appear improved.
I don't agree, though, on Soriano's play in left field. He should have made the catch. He should have extended the glove in a basket position and not upside down. I think he was trying to avoid what happened anyway: the ball got loose.

by Fraggin Judge on May 28, 2007 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about this
Yes, I am probably in the same camp as you that the hitters will hit.  But the major problem with that flawed logic has to do more with the "when" will they hit as opposed to actually doing it.  If the Cubs are 15 games out of first and Soriano goes on a tear in September, its not going to matter.  Sure his stats will reflect a much better month than he's currently had, but the impact will be virtually nil.  

I choose to single him out because for my money, he's been far, far less than what he's expected to be.  I can live with the hollow .300 AVG and the hamstring helps explain the reasonably low SB totals, but the power outage that he's experienced as a Cub is absolutely killing that offense.  Single digits in RBI's through much of May?  I don't care where he hits in the order...that's inexcusable.  

He's getting pitches to hit and is missing them or fouling them off.  His bat is slow and he's swinging at terrible pitches early in the count.

Yes, they will hit...but if it isn't soon...it really won't matter.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

NL Comedy Central....
Gosh, how in the hell can we be this bad??...

Somehow we've got to get back to the basics........pitching and defense.....and consequently, maybe it's time for the Barrett catching experiment to end, as others have already noted.

Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on May 28, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Astro Wisdom
I guess we can see the wisdom in leaving Ausmus behing the plate for so long.  Between him and Everett, they clearly don't care about production in the bottom third (probably good NL strategy).  

by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine this team playing any worse
 and yet you look at the standings and they're 5 games back, which is obviously a defecit that is overcomable with 4 months left.

 I think we all agree that this team is a fundamentally poor and overall bad team, but on the bright side, this Division just might be worse than the Cubs bad.

by lemon20pie on May 28, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

took the words right out of my mouth
But some changes need to be made. Dumping Eyre (or DLing him, if he's actually hurt) trading for bullpen help and finding a better way to divy up outfield duties could make a huge difference.

And the POSSIBILITY of trading Barrett needs to be seriously examined.

by elgato on May 28, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem....
with trading Barrett is that he is a FA after this year, the good teams will want a better defensive option and IMHO AL teams won't touch him at DH because he lacks power.

The Cubs are a year late in dealing him.  It should have happened last year when he was putting up career best numbers.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're probably right
And I don't think dumping Barrett would solve all of our problems. But if the right deal comes along, I wouldn't be upset to see him go.

by elgato on May 28, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade Barrett for another upcoming FA
Scott Linebrink's a FA after this year.  Send Barrett and Murton to SD.  SD needs some hitting and has plenty of pitching.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on May 28, 2007 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bonehead Barrett
 I've never been a huge fan of Barrett simply because I know how important it is to have a Catcher behind the plate that is on the same page with you and you have confidence in and Barrett has never fit that mold as a Catcher for the Cubs.

 It was hard to get that point across the last couple seasons because he has produced with the bat and the skeptics of the importance of a good Defensive catcher, could easily skip that notion and use his offensive production or his "Silver Slugger" award as their main argument.

 Now that he's struggling, his defensive fodders behind the plate, are glaring.

 As far as trading him, he's another example of the lack of foresight that Hendry possesses. The Cubs should've traded him last season (as I said many times) when his stock was at the absolute zenith of his ML career. As of right now, he isn't nearly as attractive to another team as we Cub fans would think. Who would seriously give up something of value for a Catcher who shouldn't be a Catcher and is hitting below .205? Answer is zero.

 He obviously would have more value to an AL club where he can be used as a DH, where he belongs.

by lemon20pie on May 28, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

timeforchange
Great minds think a like.

Excpet mine appearantly a little slower as it took me 10 minutes to write that post.

by lemon20pie on May 28, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am still......
a little liquored from the game.  For some reason I type faster.......

And yes great minds think alike.  I am honored to follow in your footsteps....

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAha
 but could you follow my footsteps and touch your nose with your index finger while saying the alphabet backwards?

by lemon20pie on May 28, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

No......
FWIW I took a bike taxi home from the park........
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

But as you say
he's hitting .250.  Sorry but I can't see an AL team giving up much if anything for Barrett as a DH.  His value was as a good hitting catcher.  As a DH, he;s below average.  

by rlpete on May 28, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK..........
I agree with Hendry's lack of foresight in dealing Barrett but I believe Hendry has a chance to rectify that somewhat if this team is out of it at the deadline this year by dealing Derrek Lee.......his contract is affordable for any contending team, he would garner good prospects in return and while there's still some value in him now would be the time to deal him.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?
would you trade Lee at this point in the season?  The argument with Barrett is that is presence is hurting the Cubs right now and that we would benefit from an "addition by subration" scenario.  This clearly does not play out with Lee.  He (unlike Barrett) is signed to a mulit-year conract at a reasonable (?) price, he's one of the most consistant first basemen playing MLB ball today, and "prospects" will not help us make the playoffs this year.  Furthermore, Lee's trade value is lower than it has been previously because he has not yet displayed the power we've seen from him in the past.  Trading Lee right now for prospects (!) would be a horrible, terrible move.

by Rev Gunia on May 28, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The argument with Barrett.......
is not addition by subtraction, maybe on the surface but its not the heart of the problem.......the point being made with Barrett, and it could be said of any player is that the proper time to deal him would have been when he was still at his highest value. Sometimes that directly refers to production and it can also entail contractual value. Players with a couple of years left on their contracts garner more in trade than players with one year deals.

If you think this team is going to make the playoffs, then yes I suppose trading Lee would be a bad move.......I don't think this team is going to make the playoffs so I don't see any reason not to trade someone who going forward is only going to get worse, especially when it could make this team better than it is now.

RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry has never read that memo
to deal someone when his value is high:

See... Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi, Juan Cruz, Jason Dubois, Kyle Farnsworth, Sosa, Corey Patterson. He ran them all into the ground first... then dealt them.

And expectesd in the near future:
Ronny Cedeno (who everyone in the league wanted when he was still a top prospect).

Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre (whom could've been dealt at the deadline last year when teams in contention overspend for relief).

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know......
I'd be surprised if Hendry could read at all.......it sucks that he's such a moron though. Simply dealing Zambrano and Lee at the deadline would set this team up nicely going forward.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question regarding Barrett...
... if the Cubs DON'T re-sign him, who's the catcher next year?

And don't say Geovany Soto.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe...
the $2.8 million earmarked for Blanco next year suggests what Hendry is thinking about that.  Of course, Hendry isn't likely to be back next year, so...

by SouthernCub on May 29, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut...
... that's only one catcher. You're not suggesting it'd be Blanco and Soto, are you?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, lord.
Koyie Hill? He won't even be in the organization next year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, then.
Anthony Richie? Chris Robinson? Jake Fox?

by cwyers on May 29, 2007 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK...
... I'm not familiar with Richie.

Fox can hit, but I think the consensus is that he would be about 100 times worse than Michael Barrett defensively.

Robinson's at least a year away, maybe two, IF he's even a major league catcher.

Next?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's it.
Nobody else is in the system that could be legitimately ready in '08.

Your free agent options:

Jorge Posada (36)
Ivan Rodriguez (36) - $13MM club option for '08
Paul Lo Duca (36)
Michael Barrett (31)
Jason Kendall (34)

by cwyers on May 29, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.
I'm thinking Barrett's coming back; he wants to stay and the other options are horrifying.

Now, before you criticize me for saying Posada is "horrifying", I think he'll stay in NY; plus, he's 36. Do you want to give a big free-agent deal to a 36-year-old catcher who, by the end of this year, will have caught well over 1300 games?

Yeah, me either. Same deal with I-Rod.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

A one-year deal with a...
...36 year old catcher in his career year, I'm fine with. As a long term option, I concur: horrifying.

by cwyers on May 29, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is...
... coming off a year like Posada appears to be having, he's probably going to ask for a multiyear deal. I wouldn't give it to him, and neither would you.

The Yankees will, and they will pay a steep price for doing so, not only in dollars but in the inevitable production dropoff.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying...
it's what I'd necessarily want to do, I'm just saying that $2.8 million seems a lot for a guy who is to be a backup catcher.

And if Soto is only playing 60-70 games and is solid defensively (I know very little about Soto's defense), I don't see the problem with using him as a backup catcher.  Few teams have great backup catchers - they're usually just solid defensive fill-ins.  The key to a Blanco/Soto combo would be Soto's adequacy defensively and Blanco's ability to to maintain his solid defense over 100 or so games instead of just 50-60.

by SouthernCub on May 29, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Weiters
n/t.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, funny how...
...that's not going to help us next year.

by cwyers on May 29, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't hurt worse than Barrett......
n/t.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're nuts
What more did you want for Hill and Choi?  Isn't Lee and Ramirez (and two months of Kenny Lofton) enough?

Cruz couldn't throw strikes and is marginal now.  Dubois was never a prospect.  Farnsworth is insane and Patterson was (and arguable still is) nothing more than a fledgling OF.

Blame Hendry for certain things but certainly not for getting less than full value, and more, for the guys you've mentioned.  

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Blame Hendry for certain things......
but certainly not for getting less than full value."

Hold on.......it doesn't matter what those players turned out to be because at one time those players had some value and Hendry decided to hang on to them instead......really, he does deserve some blame because he's afraid to deal prospects.

RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're nuts too
He got what he got for them and that was two experienced big league starters with upside.  You're telling me you would be able to deal minor leaguers that had already failed miserably in their callups for two big leaguers with upsdie?  Or you're saying he could have got more at some point?  Like what?  

Their value was indeed shown...they were as valuable as two major league starting position players with upside.  Hendry hardly traded Hill and Choi at an all-time low.  What is their value now?  

That's just laughable.  

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry doesn't believe in Branch Rickey's
famous quote - "better to trade them a year too early, then a year too late".  Can anyone say - Sammy Sosa?
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Deal Lee?
Are you nuts? You know how many throwing errors that guy saves every week? You know how many defensive gems he picks up over there every week? Did you even  watch Daryl Ward play 1st base?
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay
How many throwing errors does Lee save?  Lee is a great defensive first baseman.  I am not disputing this.  And certainly, this is of extra benefit.  But how much benefit?   Does it show up at all?  

Consider A-Ram, who many said was one of the primary beneficiaries of a D lee.   Yet A Ram had one of his best defensive years with few throwing errors LAST year, when Lee was hurt and we had poor fill ins.  

So, quanitify your terms.  

by frustratedfan on May 28, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only the best player in the NL
D-Lee is the best.  You guys are freaking out.  I know that I am disheartened but we got to hang in there for June.  If they are still playing the way they have the past week on July 1st then I say we have to do something.  But until then I still think we can do it with this team.  If the middle relievers recover we are right there.
I want my Macias!

by wombat on May 29, 2007 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

what an idiotic
idea to trade derek lee. im not even going to comment further on that. what a laughable thought. hes only a gold glove firstbasemen who hits .350. who we gonna trade him for pujols?

by bennyha on May 29, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about Youkilis?
He is cheap and CARES.  Then again, Boston always is full up with those guys.  Too bad we didn't go for Trot.  

by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you Kyle Turney
for giving me just enough to keep watching. When the Cubs are losing like they are right now, I tend to forget that there's realy no way to predict what's going to happen next in baseball. That's why they play. Please Cubs, do the time warp again.  

by teacher tom on May 28, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

"Offensive"
is certainly the right word to describe the last two games, and much of the Cubs' play so far this season.

by dfrancon on May 28, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

"Offensive" is a good word...
...to sum up the 2007 CHicago Cubs, but for me personally, the one word that sums up this team is "unwatchable".

 and "putrid".

by lemon20pie on May 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awful
The Cubs are just plain awful.  For two consecutive years the Florida Marlins are a better team than the Chicago Cubs.  The same Marlins who routinenly purge themselves of costly veteran talent and have a payroll 1/5 the size of the Cubs.  

The National League is bad.  The NL Central is brutally bad.  What does this say about the Cubs?!?  It's not like the Cubs are an awful team in a mega-competitive league and division.  

The new ownership group can't happen soon enough.  Hopefully the new group will come in a drop the atomic bomb on the front office and minor league system.  

"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 28, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Awful and............
incredibly sad that more heat is not put on Jim Hendry.  Even more sad, IMHO, is that people still stand up for the man.  The "bitching" comments are veiled attempts to difuse the criticism.

Jim Hendry has been given a gift.  He has been has been given control of a team where fan support is unquestionable and a payroll which does not stop him from making the moves necessary to compete.  Jim Hendry has failed miserably.  THIS IS NOT BITCHING!!!!!  This is fact.

I want the Cubs to win.  We all do.  Some may say that the bitching is too much.  IMHO, I say it is not enough.  I want excellence.  Hell, I demand it.  Is that too much to ask for?

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What to ask for..
..is a playoff appearance.  It has been well-documented how MLB playoffs are a crapshoot once the field is set.  And this team is only 5 games out of first with well over 100 games remaining to play.  

Very few sports teams can truly deliver excellence.  Personally, I think improvement is more important.  Do I see improvement?  Not really, but I see aggregate numbers indicating that the starting pitching is solid and the bats are still better than most of the NL.  

Let's see where we are in July.  

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 28, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

While....
I do not disagree with you about the playoffs (see the Cardinals in 2006), I think I/ We (Cub fans) deserve a GM who is capable of fielding a team that can win.  

I know we are only 5 games back, but that is 100% due to the weak ass division the team plays in.  If not for every other team shitting the bed, we would already be talking about next year.
This is unacceptable.  Can you imagine if this happened in Boston or NY?  Just look at what King George is up to and his team has made the playoffs every year for over a decade!  If you demand excellence and hold people accountable, IMHO, you have a greater shot at success.
 

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 28, 2007 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all wanted...
... a manager who DOES hold players accountable and demand excellence. We got one. Are you saying Lou isn't doing this?

He can't go out there and do the players' jobs for them.

Yes, this team needs to be better fundamentally. But in this "weak ass division", as you put it, they DO have a chance, especially if the starting pitching continues to be outstanding.

Doesn't matter how you get in. If you get in, you've got a shot at winning everything, as last year's Cardinals (and quite a number of other teams) have proven.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not sure.....
I understand you Al.

First I never mentioned Lou.  My beef is with Hendry.  

Second, I am in agreement with you about the playoffs.  If a team gets in, anything can happen.  That is why I mentioned the Cards.

Finally, you make my arguement for me.  "He can't go out there and do the players jobs for them".  Whose fault is that Al?  How long has Hendry been the GM?  This is his team.  

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 29, 2007 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.,.
which is wht the constant crying about Baker bothered me. Hendry is the real problem. You don't win the Kentucky Derby on a mule.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 29, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give Hendry credit for improving the roster..
v. 2006.  He made some nice additions to the everyday lineup although one player too heavy on career backups.  But the starters were good signings.  All that said, his overall approach is lacking and leaves us with too many roster disconnects.  furthermore, we have so many holes primarily because our farm system has been a total failure at providing position player help.  We have been exceptional with pitchers but the team needs some holes plugged with quality position players from within.  I had hoped he would have been let go with the staff last season as i think his weaknesses outweigh the good moves.  

by DudeVf11 on May 28, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better myself
it completely avoids me, how people just keep beating the manager over the head, each and every year, as if the guy is supposed to make up for the man who has run the farm, drafted players, made trades, signed FA's and built the roster.

For the resources he has been give, along with the time he has had to develop talent on the farm, the man has failed many times over, and has set the franchise back a number of years.  Furthermore, his buddy, Rothschild is another one that can keep having staffs that are near (or at) the league lead in walks, and get a pass as well.

I just don't understand it.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 28, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep..
and the pitching coach can't teach pitchers to hold guys on base...
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 29, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rumor out of St. Louis
that the Cardinals and Dodgers are talking about a trade involving Scott Rolen for Chad Billingsley and Matt Kemp.  
"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

How many minutes of that phone conversation
do you think are spent laughing at the Cubs?
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why laugh at the Cubs...
when they are playing worse than us?

by gocubs40 on May 28, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

1. They just won a World Series
2. They're not a spending a gazillion dollars to be 5 games under .500 like we are.
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

No surprise that the rumor is out of StL
I can't see the Dodgers making that one but I could be wrong.  I wouldn't be surprised if Reyes would be included.  The Dodgers may want to try and get him straightened out.  I'm sure LaRussa and Duncan wouldn't be sorry to see him go.

by rlpete on May 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good deal for the
Cards.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 28, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barrett's defensive regression is mindnumbing
He is Piazza at best right now, an incredible string of terrible little league defensive errors. He is simply a backstop with an average bat. I just dont get it, supposedly working hard to improve his defense and he is really becoming a major liability.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on May 28, 2007 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Couldn't agree more
take a look at the World Series winners over the past 8-10 years, and you won't find one team that didn't have a top-shelf defensive catcher who is take charge and knows how to handle pitchers.

Catchers are the 2nd most position on the field (next to the pitcher), and they contribute (or harm) teams in many subtle ways the average fan does not comprehend.  Just another flaw in how Hendry assembles a team.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 28, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a reason Maddux had Blanco...
as his personal caddy.

Calls a good game
Blocks everything in the dirt
Throws out base stealers

All that can save you "invisible" runs during the course of a game.

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
even if Barret was hitting this year, I would take Henry over him all day long. Barret's mistakes overshadow any offense you get from him. His lack of throwing men out, his brain farts when he has a guy stranded, he below average in blocking a pitches in the dirt, those type of mistakes allow innings to continue or allow good teams to tack on runs. To me, that negates any of his offense. Right now, a couple of our starting pitchers are about to jump over him in batting average. Enough said.
BigJohnAZ

by BigJohnAZ on May 28, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worst Cubs losses
I made a list of the 10 worst cubs losses of 2006-07 (http://daily-journal.com/bloggers/raindelay/?p=69).
Any of this weekend's losses qualify? Should I revise?

by rob9802 on May 28, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

This Cubs team
wasn't this bad in spring training. The mental mistakes should be dwindling as the season progresses, not increasing.
BigJohnAZ

by BigJohnAZ on May 28, 2007 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

From Phil Rogers today...
"There's still no explaining some things in this game. Tampa Bay and Washington are a combined 19-13 in one-run games; the Cubs and the Yankees a combined 4-21."
BigJohnAZ

by BigJohnAZ on May 28, 2007 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Well... I give the Yankees a pass
because their whole damn rotation is on the DL
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 28, 2007 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

? Don't get it.
Maybe I'm too tired to think or slower than usual, but how does the starters DL situation tie in to one run games? I'd think that either the RPs weren't holding leads or the offense isn't producing- especially in extra innings. Wouldn't bad starting equal much higher RA and either being out scored early or having slug-fests like the Red's and Pirates had today?  
"In the olden days, the umpire didn't have to take any courses in mind reading. The pitcher told you he was going to throw at you." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on May 28, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

what a day...
i missed the cubs game today to head downtown here in denver to see the rockies/cardinals game. from the sound of things i didn't miss much. i kept cringing as i glanced at the out of town scoreboard. kim is an absolutely terrible pitcher. the rockies didn't even want him! - and you've gotta feel bad for marshall. two quality starts and two losses to show for it. what a drag....

i must say, the cardinals look truly terrible this year. a beautiful day for baseball here in denver, but a bit too high on the hollow patriotism for my tastes. coors field was packed with cardinal red. i wore my cubs hat. kip wells was atrocious and the card's offense was constantly sputtering. i was at least happy to bear witness to how low they have sunk this year.

what else can any of us say about this cubs team except -> let's see if we can get back on track starting tomorrow........(sigh)

by anormal on May 28, 2007 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I went near the Cubs bullpen during BP...
Eyre was pitching and Rothschild kept screaming at him when he missed the strike zone.

by gocubs40 on May 28, 2007 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there some rule
that says a pitcher has to throw over 90 mph to be effective?

<<Sean Marshall's first-inning error which led to a run (other than that, Marshall threw another credible game, even though I don't think he threw a single pitch over 90 MPH)>>

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 12:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Even though the game was a dreary, depressing one
. . . it was still nice meeting you, Al (I was/am David Geiser's friend).  Long time blog reader, I actually recall you from the old Usenet days (when I briefly posted under the name "Trueblue").  

Anyway, I don't get out to the bleachers much, but I'll make a point of dropping by next time I do -- I had fun, but even the most excruciating games are still days of baseball, which is great in and of itself.

by deJesus Freak on May 29, 2007 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

NO CONSISTENCY
How bout choosing your starting outfield and infield and sticking with it.... Choosing your batting order and sticking with it...
How the hec can these guys get comfortable  if everyday  they are playing a different position   are benched  are starting are batting in a different spot..... THATS A PROBLEM FOLKS...
and its probably worth about a run or 2 a game which is what is costing us........
Lou's honeymoon is over for me....
You can defend him like people did Dusty  til the end but he should know his players already... and this play everybody everyday approach IS NOT WORKING

by edo4cubs on May 29, 2007 3:44 AM CDT reply actions  

WE HAVE PLENTY OF CONSISTENCY
WE CONSISTENTLY SUCK
1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 29, 2007 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said...
and Brenly thinks we are an inconsistent team!!!  

by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off-Topic
Sorry, but I've spent an hour online and two phone calls to the Wrigley Box office ("no operator to assist you"), and can't find an answer:  Do I need a separate ticket for my two year old, or can he sit in my lap for the game?

by TC Cubby on May 29, 2007 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Two years old...
... is generally the age at which you need a ticket for your child. If you think he'd pass for under two and you could sit him in your lap the whole game, you might be able to get away without getting him a ticket. Or, you could play it safe and get one. Your call.

Many teams have an "A-to-Z" guide on their websites which answer questions like this. The Cubs don't. They could really use one.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks so much,
Al.  We have a ticket for him, but that reduces the number that I can offer the rest of my family.  It may come down to my son or his grandmother ... an ugly choice all the way around :)

by TC Cubby on May 29, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
What game is this for?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

This Friday,
against the Braves.  There are some tickets available here, but I've spent enough ... if my family wants more, they can buy their own.

by TC Cubby on May 29, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 and under are free
The cubs website is difficult to navigate, but if you attempt to buy tickets for an upcoming game, you will see:

Children 2 and under are free on adults lap.

It's in the lower left corner of the pop-up allowing you to select your seat preference...

by roscoevillage on May 29, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for finding this.
Like I said, the website could use an A-to-Z guide to Wrigley Field, like other teams have.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs Offering Murton For Relief Help
According to John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus:

"The Chicago Cubs desperately need bullpen help, and reportedly would part with outfielder Matt Murton in the right deal."

For a team built to win now, that might make sense.  Sure, you'd rather see the more expensive Jacque Jones go, but teams would of course rather acquire the younger, cheaper Murton.  Murton, 25, only has 87 ABs this year.  Cubs fans hoped to see him get a full-time look following a solid .297/.365/.444 season, but Lou Piniella hasn't complied.

What kind of deals might work here?  To the Nationals for Jon Rauch or Chad Cordero?  To the White Sox for Mike MacDougal?  That'd be a tasty crosstown deal.  Is he enough to bring in Scott Linebrink, Eric Gagne, or Akinori Otsuka?  I have a hard time pinning down Murton's market value because I'm a Cubs fan.  He seems a touch more than a tweener, perhaps a guy who can become a healthy version of a late-20s Rondell White.

The Cubs got White from the Expos at the 2000 trading deadline for Scott Downs.  Downs was a 21 year-old southpaw coming off a 1.35 ERA and 11.36 K/9 in Double A the year before.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/05/cubs_offering_m.html

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 29, 2007 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Linebrink...
... would be great. Murton alone wouldn't bring Linebrink, but he might be the start of a package.

Stay FAR away from Mike MacDougal. He is an arm injury waiting to happen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously Al......
what in your history as a baseball fan would lead you to believe that the Padres will give up Linebrink for any combination of Murton, Jones, etal?

The Padres have been a "cheap" organization.  They also are contending.  This deal makes no sense.

As for Mike MacDougal, I agree with you.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 29, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because
Murton is cheap and productive -- a small market dream.

by utcubby on May 29, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton may be cheap.....
but if the Padres deal Linebrink they should and can expect more.

I know there is a lot of love for Murton here.  His value is not what you would like it to be.

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on May 29, 2007 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good grief
Scott Linebrink is an elite set-up man and a guy who would be closer in San Diego if not for the presence of Trevor Hoffman.  There is no way on God's green earth that San Diego will trade Linebrink for Matt Friggin Murton and "other considerations."  
"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's weeks old...
...and a direct copy of essentially the whole post. Ugh.

by cwyers on May 29, 2007 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hasn't complied?
What's Piniella supposed to do sit the guy making $136 million?  Lou's probably played him more than he should, considering the guy's a terrible right fielder.  C'mon.  

by cubsbak on May 29, 2007 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, they aren't my words
don't shoot the messenger.

Hendry should've dealt Murton in the off-season, when he knew he was planning to sign Soriano & Floyd... and he couldn't find a taker for Jones.

But, he's fat tub of lard who has no business running a baseball team.  

1-RUN GAMES = 2-12 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-5

by SackMan on May 29, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

What needs to be done
A.  Trade Michael Barrett.  I've been skewered for my sour my opinion of his defensive game for a long time.  Well, I'd like to have any semi-knowledgeable and sane baseball fan make the argument for why Barrett should stay behind the plate for the Cubs.  He kills this team behind the plate.  And no amount of hitting success can overcome his destruction behind the plate.  

B.  Bench Jacque Jones.  Yep, you heard me.  The guy who has defended Jones in the past.  Right now Jones is in a funk.  He needs time off to get his offensive game pieced back together.  

C.  Call up Felix Pie.  I'm pretty sure we can't possibly be a worst team with Pie's bat in the lineup.  

D.  Trade Matt Murton.  He cannot be trotted out to right field any longer.  

E.  Send a wake-up call and trade Scott Eyre.  If Hendry can swap Eyre for a similar awful player and contract, then go for it.   If Hendry needs to eat a shit sandwich and swallow a lot of salary to make Eyre go away, then so be it.  

F.  Put Bob Howry on the DL with Wade Miller disease.  See if 15 days off can get him turned around.  Send out an All-Points-Bulletin for his velocity too.  

G.  Get Ryan Theriot in the lineup 5 days a week.  Just do it.  

"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Just...
...ok. I really want to agree with a lot of this. No absurd Izturis man-love to weight it down, and a pretty good summary of the disease.

But... it's a rare thing when teams are willing to make trades to get bad players. Seriously.

by cwyers on May 29, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
I don't care if Hendry trades Matt Murton for a bag of sunflower seeds.  And I don't care if he has to eat a shit sandwich in order to rid this team of Scott Eyre and his bloated ERA and "oh well" attitude.  
"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree...
 I disagree on both counts.  If you're willing to send Howry down with "Wade Miller disease," I'd recommend the same thing for Eyre.  See if rest and rehab get him straightened out.  I'd rather do that and see if we can get back the pitcher from 2004-2006 rather than just throw him away.  If that doesn't work, then I agree we should drop him like a bad habit.

And trading a 25 year old with a .350+ career OBP and .800+ OPS for a bag of seeds is just dumb.  He has value, and if he is to be traded (and I'm still not sold on the idea that this is the best approach) then we should get that value for him.  Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he should be thrown away.  I really don't think trading him makes any sense actually. He's currently our only RH pinch hitting option (where he's been quite solid actually), and he's been our 3rd-best hitting OF among players with at least 90 AB, and he's cheap.

by SouthernCub on May 29, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're always criticizing
people who suggest trades that will never happen (i.e. trading Zambrano).  I would suggest trading Barrett falls into the same category.  No way Hendry gets rid of his "find".  Unfortunately.  I agree with you that he's been killing the Cubs for years with his shoddy defense.

by cubsbak on May 29, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

One positive I'd like to point out...
Is Theriot's play at SS.  Those of you saying he doesn't have a SS skill set aren't paying attention.  He made three incredible plays at SS yesterday.  Enough of the "defensive trade-off" talk when talking about putting in Izturis.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Problem is
Two were on popups and one was on a deflected ball that is do or die.  Put him there for 162 and he'd turn more routine plays into hits or errors than the average SS.  The plays you mention could have just as easily been made at 2B...where he belongs.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can you point me to...
anything statistically that backs this up?  Didn't think so.  Point me to these routine plays that he's screwed up to date at SS.  He has made 1 error in 12 games at SS so far.  
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just said it
If your analysis and ability to watch a baseball game is purely limited to statistics, it says a great deal about your knowledge of the game.  Or I suppose that since Doug Dascenzo once pitched a scoreless inning he should be a full-time reliever.  Get your head out of the sand and watch Theriot's actions at SS.  100 out of 100 scouts would agree that he's a short-term solution at SS, not a 162 guy.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you....
for proving my point.  And by the way, the first comments I made were based on what I saw in the field, not just statistics.  Pull your own head out of the sand.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yawn
I've heard that familiar refrain before after others have pointed out your short-sighted analysis.  Perhaps you need someone to watch the game with then because you're missing it.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the outstanding counter-argument.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have nothing but an opinion
and that's OK. But to summarily dismiss Theriot as a qualified SS is just your opinion. He's played almost flawless in the infield. He played SS in college and beginning his pro career. The only reason he was moved to 2B was he was on the same career path as Cedeno and they rated Ronny a better defensive SS.

Based upon his play so far, he is adequately suited for the starting SS job. And, in comparison to Izturis, he is a HOF candidate. Believe what you want but it's unsupportable to  arrogantly dismiss others who have seen and know the game at least as well as you claim.

If the law of averages are to be believed this is our year....or not.

by tharr on May 30, 2007 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Useless bit of trivia...
... about Doug Dascenzo.

Not only did he pitch "a" scoreless inning, he actually made four pitching appearances in his career covering FIVE scoreless innings.

It is believed, but not confirmed, that this is the most innings pitched in baseball history by ANYONE who did not allow at least one earned run.

Doug's career stats at baseball-reference.com

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry must be drinking Guiness
Because his comment over the weekend is BRILLIANT:
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well."

by Jayo525 on May 29, 2007 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like one of the Cub
fans that do nothing but apologize for this guy.
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barrett is killing us
Seems most every game he does something to cost us...passed ball, throwing to wrong base (Sun. in LA), not throwing out runners, etc..his supposed offensive skills not shining, so he's hurting the team.

if we were to let him go--what would our options be behind home plate?? Isn't AJ a free agent too? And a lefty hitter....clutch, would inject some fire into the team, nice platoon with Blanco (and surely an upgrade defensively).

Barrett, Jones, Izturis most likely not to be back with team in '08 or even after trade deadline, even tho they may not yield much in return...the only chance is that a contending team loses a key player and needs a fill-in, like the Sox now with Ozuna...If another team loses its starting C, RF or SS, we will be able to "sell'' with higher return.

by writerinwrigley on May 29, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

No disrespect to anyone
but I think only the folks that really understand the inner workings of the game understand just how much damage a poor defensive catcher does to a team.  People see his offensive numbers, and see him catch the ball and throw it back to the pitcher, and think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Again, look at the past world series winners, and you won't find one without a top end defensive catcher that takes control of a game, and knows how to handle pitchers:

Damien Miller - Diamondbacks
Posada - Yankess
Varitek - Red Sox
AJ - White Sox
Pudge - Marlins/tigers
Molina - Angels/Cards

Hendry has built softball teams, with no clue as to the emence value a catcher brings to the team.

"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
I can't recall a single team that even made a world series without at least an above average defensive catcher.  I suppose the Mets in 2000 when they had Piazza behind the plate, but he had an OPS of over 1.000 that year, something Barrett couldn't hope to achieve in a million years.

by cubsbak on May 29, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would quit....
being a Cub fan if the Cubs signed AJ.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

ditto
Make this game number 10 for games the Cubs should have won but found a way to lose. - MrDurden, 5-24-07

by sue369 on May 29, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon
I'm sure a lot of Bulls fans thought the same thing of Rodman before '96.  If the guy can help the Cubs win he'll be welcome.

by cubsbak on May 29, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as it pains me to say
this but I'd welcome AJ with open arms. It's about winning games, and to do that you need a winning attitude. That team on the South Side sure has had one in the past, and he has been a big part of it. He's a gem defensively and can hit for average AND for power when he's "on", and he's been "on" more consistently over the last few seasons than anyong on our staff now. All that Lovable Losers crap is just that - crap. We need attiude, not egos.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've thought about this.
AJ's a jerk.

But he plays to win. And if he's on your team, you love him (well, the Giants didn't, but there must have been reasons cough*Bonds*cough for that).

If the White Sox are out of the race by July AJ might even be available in trade. Why not swap free-agent-to-be catchers?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ's a jerk...that I'd love on the Cubs
AJ Pierzynski is a winner.  Plain and simple.  He's a good catcher behind the plate and a good hitter with the stick.  He does whatever it takes to win.  If that means being an instigator and getting under the skin of the opponent, than so be it.  
"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ is all about winning games...
and is willing to lie, cheat and steal to do so.  He is not a respectable player in my opinion.  I think his tactics are comparable, and worse, to those that A-Rod gets burned at the stake for.  Granted he can hit and catch.  That doesn't mean I have to want him on my team.  I don't play that way and don't respect anyone who does.  He's a (insert curse word here) cheat.  

I'm sure I will get lambasted for not sacrificing respectability as a person for respectability as a team.  There has got to be another/better way.

"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he becomes
a member of this team I will burn all of my Cub shirts.
Make this game number 10 for games the Cubs should have won but found a way to lose. - MrDurden, 5-24-07

by sue369 on May 29, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same way
all those Bulls fans burned their jerseys when much-hated member of Detroit's evil empire got here and helpd the Bulls win a title or two.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry
I haven't followed the Bulls all that long so I don't know who or what you are talking about.

I loathe AJ and I will not follow the Cubs if he is on this team. Just looking at the man makes me ill.

Make this game number 10 for games the Cubs should have won but found a way to lose. - MrDurden, 5-24-07

by sue369 on May 29, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite the same, IMO...
If you happen to recall, the Bulls started beating the sh*t out of those Pistons teams, and did so for a period of years afterward.  After their notorious disrespect during the first time the Bulls beat them in the playoffs, they were over as a team.  Several years later, after feeling sorry for them for being such punks years before, and after the Bulls had demoralized them by winning three in a row, Rodman came to the Bulls.  AJ is still a little punk to this day, and the Cubs haven't won anything to ease having that cocky a$$ on the team.  I don't want him.
"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on May 29, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should the Cubs
win the division, pennant and/or WS with AJ on the roster, no one would give two squirts about who was catching at the end of the clinching games. That said, I don't think it'd ever materialize - he's a little on the used side, and with another season under his belt, he'd be even older. Plus, he'll be demanding a fortune as a WS champ, and we're chock-a-block full of bloated contracts.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
Michael Barrett has been a liability for four seasons.  But he can hit (sometimes), so ignorant Cub fans are willing to ignore his significant defensive shortcomings.  
"It's not early anymore" - Sweet Lou

by BlueMike on May 29, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry
Some of Hendry's handiwork tonite Willis for
Alf.... then Mitre - Nolasco for Juan Pierre....
Not to mention they didn't give Scott Olsen
the time of day when he wanted to paly for the
Cubs....... Its been great for the Marlins we
gave them a Pitching Staff for zip

by FlaCub on May 29, 2007 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Not quite accurate
Matt Clement was also in the Willis deal.  He was a good pitcher for them for several years where they could/should have won.  That deal was the kind of deal that the Cubs should have made at the time.  Willis was a low level prospect at the time.  

by rlpete on May 29, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry's Relative
You must be related to Big Jim what you said makes sense only to you and him

by FlaCub on May 29, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Confused
You must be confusing Scott Olsen with Gregg Olsen...or someone similar.  Scott Olsen doesn't have the service time to tell anyone where he'd like to play, least of all Hendry.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on May 29, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How so?
From baseball-reference under Matt Clement:

March 27, 2002: Traded by the Florida Marlins with Antonio Alfonseca to the Chicago Cubs for Julian Tavarez, Ryan Jorgensen, Dontrelle Willis, and Jose Cueto (minors).

Clement went 14-12 as the number 3/4 pitcher on the 2003 team.  He made over 90 starts in 3 years for the team.  Considering the durability issues the team has had on the mound, they really needed that.  

Willis was a 19 y.o. in low A ball when the Cubs traded him after the 2001 season.  Do you know how many pitchers in low A ball fail?  Look at how many Cubs pitching prospects have failed.  Justin Jones, Bobby Brownlie to start.  

There is a lot to be critical of when it comes to Jim Hendry.  I don't think the Willis trade is one of those.      

by rlpete on May 29, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No
rlpete is right- you are way off
Who cares what they think? When they go after me, they ain't goin' after no maiden"- Leo Durocher

by tommy veryzer on May 29, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, he's right...
and you're wrong.  Willis was a toss-in from A ball in that deal.  The Cubs got Clement and (theoretically) a closer for a middle reliever and a no-name prospect.  Deals like that happen all of the time, and almost all cases the low-level prospect is never heard from again.

In this case, the deal turned out a bust for the Cubs because (1) Willis outperformed EVERYONE'S expectations, (2) Alfonseca turned back into a tub of useless lard.  The Cubs actually got 3 pretty strong years out of Clement, before (wisely) letting him walk after 2004.  But at the time, the deal looked pretty nice for the Cubs.  It just turned out that the two "throw-ins" happened to have the better results.

by SouthernCub on May 29, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That said,
we can't hang our record on Barrett, Blanco, Soriano, Jones, or any one single player. How do you teach clutch hitting? You can't. It either happens or it doesn't. The Sux won the WS with phenominal clutch hitting just two years ago, and have pretty much stopped hitting altogether. Did they forget how to swing? Of ourse not. It's just one of those ebb-and-flow deals. I thinnk we'd all agree that this Cubs team doesn't "flow" too well right now.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

They had some big hits
but the Sox won the WS for one major reason - PITCHING, and I would imagine, you have to give AJ some credit for how he handled the staff.
"Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year" - Sparky Anderson

by MPH73 on May 29, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back to the Damian Miller arguement
further up the chain. I loved Miller; he kept those kids in line back in '03, and you'd think he'd be able to mash the starters we have now into a cohesive unit.

Look back over the last couple of years - there's a reason that Maddux, Prior, and now Z have wanted Blanco as their "personal catcher" - he calls a much, much better game than the reformed-third-baseman Barrett does - problem is that he can't hit like Michael can. If he could, you'd never see Barrett's face except every 7th or 8th game or so.

"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 29, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need a Molina
Screw Pierzynski.  He's the dirtiest player in baseball and just such a punk ass bitch.  In comparison to Rodman, Rodman was a unique talent.  One of the greatest rebounders in NBA history.  Pierzynski is not in that class.  There are other options than for the Cubs to degrade themselves with that scum.  

by NO100 on May 29, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs VS Willis
Waiting for Al's preview but I know we have done good against Willis in the past.

Yes we have handled Willis well in the past. I don't even need stats to tell you this.
2003 in the NLCS in Miami we score a ton of runs off of Willis and that was the game Aramis hit the grand slam.

Now Some Stats:

Last year we beat him 3-1. We went 1-0 against him
In 2005 we went 1-1 against him.
In 2004 it doesn't look like we had a decision against him.
In 2003 we blasted him winning 16-2.
This is the NLCS game that we beat him in:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2003/B10110FLO2003.htm

So we are 4-1 career against him from what I can see. Hopefully Al can verify this in his game preview tonight.

by gocubs40 on May 29, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Willis
dominates at Wrigley though, IIRC.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 29, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.
Preview coming shortly.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 29, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It might be too late...
..but I just want to say it was great as always to sit in the bleachers with Al and his crew (and deJesus Freak).  Despite the game and its outcome, I'll be back in July with bells on my fingers, and rings on my toes!

by dvdmgsr on May 30, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

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