When You Come By, Bring My Stomach
Those of you who are of "a certain age" will remember that title as the phrase Jack Brickhouse used to use on game telecasts where the Cubs got out of a really tough spot.
It would have been screamed last night. The ninth inning of the Cubs' excruciatingly exciting 3-2 win over the Astros had all the earmarks of yet another disaster.
Bad-bounce single. Triple. Walk. (Yes, I saw all your anguished comments in the game thread.) Looked like a repeat of the night before, didn't it?
And then the wrongly (in my mind) maligned Ryan Dempster got Eric Munson to hit a ground ball right to Derrek Lee, almost to the exact spot where the first ball of the inning, the freak-hop single by Mark Loretta, had bounced off first base. Lee slung it over to Ryan Theriot, in that graceful style we've seen so many times, for a forceout, and then Theriot, hurrying as he's never hurried before, lasered it back to Dempster covering first, just -- and I mean just -- getting Munson to end the game, and as you surely know, had he not done so, the game would have been tied, Mike Lamb had already crossed the plate from third base after his triple.
Whew! Cub Nation exhales. Lou Piniella said: "This type of game really should get us on a roll. You have to think that the worm has turned. You've got to start feeling like things are going to go your way."
It feels that way, doesn't it?
Everything else worked the Cubs' way last night. Cliff Floyd hit what was only his second HR since June 26 -- way, WAY up into the second deck in right field, one of the monster bombs he used to hit while he was a Met, and a Marlin, and a Red Sock, and even an Expo (doesn't it seem about 50 years since there even were "Expos"?). If Uncle Cliffy can keep hitting like this for the next two and a half -- no, strike that, make that the next SIX and a half weeks, good things are going to follow.
And hey! The Cubs have another starting pitcher. Rich Hill matched his fine effort in Houston from August 6, throwing seven innings of three-hit ball, allowing only a solo HR (last time: Carlos Lee. This time: Mark Loretta), and striking out three (last time: two). THIS time, he also got a win for his performance.
Hill won his ninth game of the season. If he wins one more, the Cubs will have two left-handed starters with ten or more wins. The last time that happened was in 1961, when both Dick Ellsworth and Jack Curtis won ten. That's more a testament to the lack of lefthanded starters over the years than to Curtis and Ellsworth really being any good in '61 (both had losing records, Curtis 10-13 and Ellsworth 10-11). The last time the Cubs had an actual good team with two double-figure-winner left-handed starters was the 1935 team which had Larry French (17-10) and Roy Henshaw (13-5, his only good season).
It's been a long time, right? It's been a long time for a lot of things. Keep winning. As Lou said, winning a game like that could spur a team on to a real roll. Keep the faith. And Happy Rosh Hashanah to all Jewish BCB readers.
Once again, there's a day game involving one of the Cubs' divisional rivals, this time the Cardinals, who are playing the Reds at 11:35 am Central time.
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Nice win....
Great win
Good question.
Was wondering about that this morning...
(BTW, this is my first time posting on here...I've been reading you guys for a while, and decided to finally jump into the fray! So, hey everyone!)
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to the party
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait.
You can bet the MLBPA and the Cubs would have been screaming if the Cardinals had done that.
Touche
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Ron asked the same thing
Whether this is right or wrong I don't know, but Pat said that the home team gets to set the time for games and he felt Houston did this for their working fans to come to games. Of course Ron did not think that was right.
It's OK with me only because I will get to watch the game tonight.
I believe
I'm not positive on the time zone thing, but I am positive that there is a rule that if the road team plays a game far enough away, the home team has to schedule a day game. I think time zone is the determining factor.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 13, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right about the time zone.
BUT StL gets a day game with Cincinnati
Houston to StL is 800 miles, 2 hours in flight time, 4 hours total to hotel, game starts at 7PM in airplane best by 11:30 (Trachsel pitching possibly midnight), no time zone change and then best flight lands in StL 2 AM, in hotel by 3 AM and Cubs will probably not be in park until 5PM
Yeah
That's the rules. One supposes it's just easier to determine it by time zones rather than try to figure how far a flight is from each major league city.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 13, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought flight time was the determiner
But maybe time zones have something to do with it, too.
Although I seem to recall the Cubs had a Thursday-night game in Atlanta (which is Eastern time) and a Friday-day game in Chicago this season?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 13, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, you're right...
Pat & Ron talked about this last night
The way Pat explained it, the home team has the final say on establishing game times. And of course, it's all about money. More people can attend night games than day. TV ratings are better for night games than day.
It probably would have been a day game today had Houston also been traveling, but they're home against Pittsburgh this weekend, so they're going to do what's best for themselves.
And so should the Cubs. How about a 12-5 blowout - Trachsel gets in 5 innings, Floyd goes yard again, DLee and JJ three hits apiece, and GSoto hits his second career homer.
CBA
Because the DH is not on a getaway day, it doesn't count for requiring Houston to schedule a day game.
Hope this helps.
Nice win
Correction...
Hill had seven Ks, not three.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=270912118
He looked great. Lou always talked about how tough he is on himself generally... nice to see him settling in for a big W.
Forgive me if this has already been discussed to death elsewhere. But as Dempster looked to be falling victim yet again to bad luck/implosion (no, it wasn't entirely his fault that the game was almost blown), a group of us in the Gingerman wondered when Marmol would become our closer. It's great to get those clutch 2 late innings of relief out of him, but if he were on the mound in situations like last night, I'd probably end up living a few years longer.
by mrsmiff on Sep 13, 2007 9:23 AM CDT reply actions
Misread the boxscore, sorry.
Maybe I misread your post, but didn't
Oh, and how lights-out has Bob Howry been as of late? I haven't quite noticed it, which might be a compliment(or that he just doesn't get on the mound that much), but he hasn't given up many runs when he's in, to the point where I haven't even bothered to check up his stats.
Stat lines:
Last 28 games- 2 ER, both solo HRs, over 14 innings for a 1.29 ERA
1st half of ball - 22 ER over 42 and a third innings for a 4.68 ERA in 39 appearances
2nd half of ball - 6 ER over 31 and a third innings for a 1.72 ERA in 32 appearances
Since August 1st, 1.64 ERA with 4 runs over 22 innings.
Hooray Bobbay!
Found this from cubs.com this morning
The Cubs' two most dominant pitchers since the All-Star break have been Carlos Marmol and Bob Howry, who have combined for a 1.74 earned-run average in the second half and have limited opposing hitters to a .169 average.
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Got the job done, didn't he?
Sure...
by big_lowitzki on Sep 13, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
not only did it get the job done
yeah, you'd like to think that they're
i just hope lou has him on a short leash--and that the offense has a night.
On the way to work....
You know it's a big win too, not just cause Ron dropped the "OH MY GOOOOOOODDDDDDDDD" but because Lou just about put Dempster in the sleeper hold on the field. I would take a guess at what Lou said, but it probably involves a lot of four letter words and something along the lines of "If you keep making things this stressful I'm going to have this baby before the end of the season."
Critical win though. Has to boost the confidence of the club and really has to help mentally for Dempster. Tough week for him but this was a big one.
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 9:44 AM CDT reply actions
even better...
Is that online?
Off topic, but what do you think Pat and Ron actually drink? It's always a fun game.
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure if it's online
Ronnie is a diabetic
He doesn't
Diabetes was rather unknown then - unlike now - and I believe Ronnie played a good portion of his career keeping this to himself.
Recently, we've all heard of his major struggles with various health issues, mostly stemming from diabetes, and including the loss of both legs just below each knee.
Ron Santo is an inspiration for those folks struggling with their health and feeling of hopelessness.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 13, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It's true
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine...
Ronnie means a lot to me as I'm sure he does to others.
For sure
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Online call
http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp?partnerId=mw#20070912
Excellent, thanks!
re: Online call
I don't care what anyone says. Ron Santo is fantastic at what he does. He is the voice of every Cub fan's soul.
Hmmm
It's a good analogy
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Starts around 3:19
by MattStratton on Sep 13, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I am astounded that this team is in first place
When will the late-season surge finally come and put them over the damn Brewers once and for all? As a potential playoff team should they not be pounding last-place teams like the Astros into submission?
Foul Ball
by Kyle Turney on Sep 13, 2007 9:56 AM CDT reply actions
Lou
I thought it was great
by hawkeyenation on Sep 13, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
After all the years of playing and managing, he still lives and dies with his team and still has that fire.
by CyberCyclist on Sep 13, 2007 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
He clearly said
Either way, it was a nice win.
Still have VERY little confidence in Dempster. At this point, I think it would behoove Lou to switch Howry and Dempster's spots, and give Marmol one or two save opportunities down the stretch.
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
NO confidence in Dempster
When this board goes awol on Dempster in the very near future, I will be here to remind you all and to say "I told you so". That you can be sure of.
Well you think negatively about everything
Don't waste your time...
by blackhawk24 on Sep 13, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Clarification
There are positives for this organization, but there are many here who have that covered. I feel that I have to be the Cub fan who needs to point out the "other" things that need to be pointed out, to raise awareness.
If you continue to have the mentality of "oh well, we'll get them tomorrow" or sees the glass as "half full", then it's easy to let blatant weaknesses slide and look past and continue to make excuses for.
Current players I feel the need to "raise awarenss" about mainly but not limited to:
Dempster
Pie
Wuertz
Ohman
Gallagher
Don't think you have to point
'Getting them tomorrow' comments are NOT out of line when there are 18 games left and a 1 game difference in the standings. Deal with it!
And blatant weaknesses? What is that about? These guys are not always in clutch situations. 2 of them are kids, 2 others are still learning. I'll get to Dempster now.
And before you can start with the 'someone else should close', think of the options that have to be considered first.
There was one guy on here last week promoting Marmol closing now, right now, every chance there is. But he failed to realize - and still does by my account - who would cover Marmol's duty if he went into the closers role.
It's easy to arm-chair GM and manage but not having an appropriate risk mitigation plan in place only pushes the problem from one area to another.
Can I get an Amen?!!?
by TheRiot4Life on Sep 13, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No it wasn't you...
When I countered with my comments, he suddenly went silent.
What are you doing
Yes you certainly were the other day
Thanks for coming back though, no one else here provides any voice of reason at all...
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, one game and
Yes, any voice of reason would argue the season is over.
That logic and 6 bits will get you a cup of coffee.
Oh don't get me wrong
No world Series win = unsuccessful season to me. I will not be happy and invest anything emotionally into this organization until I believe they have a good enough team to win the whole kit and kaboodle with. The last time this team made the playoffs, it actually set the organization back, if any of you recall.
I'll continue to look at the big picture and you can continue to think Dempster is a functional closer.
Tell me Dear Watson
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you just separated your shoulder
Who annointed you that honor?
OK, Mr. GM & manager, who is your closer? AND BEFORE you slam me with an answer, be prepared to tell all of us how your ENTIRE pitching staff re-aligns with that change.
As for the season is over, there is still 17 games left and THEY ARE TIED FOR FIRST PLACE.
Making the playoff in 2003 did not set them back. Not preparing properly enough for 2004 set them back.
Good job, troops
Guys like him say stuff like that because, in the long term, they're often correct. (That's because only one team can win the WS, for example.) That doesn't mean they're right, if you get the distinction.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 13, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll correct myself on the last paragraph
In 2004 they were coming off the NLCS appearance. Wood and Prior were hot, Z was coming on and Maddog was signed.
They simply collapsed, losing 7 of 9 late in the season to blow the wild card.
Hell if you believe in curses you can even blame the SI cover one issue proclaiming the Cubs will win the 2004 World Series.
Go ahead and be miserable
by californiachicagoan on Sep 13, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Reason?
by CyberCyclist on Sep 13, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
With travel unfairness wonder if Piniella's lineup
Bullpen has used Howry & Dempster two nights and I wonder if Lou sits those two and has Marmol as the closer with Wuertz as the fireman?
does that mean
Howry only threw 13 pitches but did give up 3 hits. I wouldnt go against giving both he and Dempster a day off.
You do realize that Wuertz is second in MLB
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Where does he stand
I don't know
Wuertz is the secondary fire man on this team. When Lou brings him into a game at the start of the inning, I take a hold of something to keep my blood pressure down.
Complaining about his leadoff walks is like complaining about Theriot's lack of power. He adds to the team in other ways. It's Pinella's fault if he continues to misuse Wuertz.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The point
although tangential, i cant reisit.
you make a comment like this yet you advocate soriano remaining in the 1-hole with all of his inadequacies!?
interesting.
No inconsistency whatsoever
we'll have to...
point taken on wuertz.
btw, any response to this?
you posted:
But OPS is still the best measure of a hitter's effectiveness since it doesn't depend on where you hit in the lineup and by that standard he belongs in the leadoff spot.
my response:
i fail to see what component of ops would lend itself to the belief that soriano is better suited to leadoff as opposed to 5th.
IMHO
OPS is best suited for power guys.
For his career
well...
the answer to that is yes, in the 5-hole, where ideally, he will be coming to bat with more runners on base thus maximizing his slg!
his ops, in no way, translates to he being more useful leading off.
Both his
That's not significant.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
OBP and SLG
The samples are too disparate.
Plus, again, RBI's are more important for a guy like Soriano. He'd get more RBI chances batting lower in the order, and in Higgy's words, make the team (Not necessarily Soriano himself) better. Plus, a difference of 30 points or so in OPS is not that significant.
This is not about Soriano doing better. It's about the Cubs doing better and scoring more runs.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
As I said, any hitter will get more RBI chances if you put them in the 5th spot. I think the team is better off when Soriano is hitting at his best. Historically he's hit his best when batting leadoff.
The samples are large but too dissimilar.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
We're talking
Question...
For the record i take no stance either way, this is simply a question.
for argument's sake...
ANY
true...
But if
YES
by TheRiot4Life on Sep 13, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
My point exactly.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Nonsense
Utter nonsense.
Don't insult me.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't insult you
that is the value of a power hitter, unless....
by TheRiot4Life on Sep 13, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And I'm saying...
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's try this again
Then, the pythagorean projection...
You win games by scoring runs, my friend, not by being left stranded on base.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
okay, I understand what you're saying, but...
by TheRiot4Life on Sep 13, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Statisticians do that.
But this is no mystery. It's why power hitters hit clean up or around that spot while those players with high on base percentages hit higher in the order. The latter get on base, the power hitter drives them home. Considering the difficulties the Cubs have had scoring runs I believe that Soriano has more value as an RBI man.
Others value his speed on the bases more. I understand and respect their opinion but disagree, especially this season with all the leg injuries Soriano had.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
no he won't
by TheRiot4Life on Sep 13, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
not only that, but...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano is more valuable as...
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is
It's more important for a power hitter.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
IMHO, this is what the cubs need to do about this
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No, because he strikes out too much.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
More scoring opportunities...
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If that is so
Of course, I don't buy the mental block thing. He is just an immature, selfish player who needs to learn. It's up to the coaches and Lou to teach him.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Soriano has mostly led off because he was in the AL (where you can put good hitters in the 8th and 9th spots). In the NL, with the pitcher hitting, leading off reduces the number of RBI's he can get. That's why I think we may see him hitting lower in the order next year. I would have done it when he came back from his injury, though. They won't do it this late in the season.
But to say he has been more successful leading off and therefore he should remain doing so is misleading. He has been more successful because mostly, leading off is all he's done before. But the difference in numbers is not dramatic, as I see it. Others disagree. That's their right.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow...
you are wrong
Soriano only leads off once. Any other time he could come up somewhere else.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Or could lead off again.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
And you don't control that...
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Not totally.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a moot point
I suspect Lou will move him to the #5 hole next year. And Soriano is a team player who I suspect will smile as he goes through the learning process.
His OBP this year is .329. That's not good enough even with 24HR. I suspect Theriot is next year's leadoff man. Despite fewer AB's he has only 9 fewer runs and RBI. He's also stolen 8 more bases.
The axiom in baseball is to place the guys that get on base ahead of the ones that can hit for power. Piniella is no fool. Soriano isn't suited for the leadoff spot and that will most likely change next year.
I agree.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
But it's not a moot point.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I look forward to that project
Damn I love Spring Training!
It's a moot point this season
This Steve Trachsel start
Estes had done nothing for the team that year, and was eventually left off the playoff roster, but in a huge game - he came through.
It sure would be nice if the old man Trachsel could pitch one more gem in his career. For this Cubs team.
by TheEman on Sep 13, 2007 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
I hope your Right!
by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 13, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That was a great game by Estes
Close....116 pitches
by Neifi Puppy on Sep 13, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice signature
misprint I meant fireman
The other roles in a relief core are LOOGY (lefty one out guy), late inning set up, middle reliever, mopup, closer and long reliever/swing.
Wood is a middle reliever although has done set, Eyre is emerging as the LOOGY, which was Ohman but he has emerged ineffective, both are crap shoots now, Howry is the set up and Marmol the fireman along with Wuertz being fireman #2.
Next year I can see the Cubs moving Dempster to a starting position and Marmol to a closer and keeping Wood, Wuertz and Howry. They will have to find a new left hander as contracts force them to keep Eyre, Hart might be interesting as there is some 99mPH guy in A-ball along with the Shark.
God, i hope they seriously
Harang starting against the Cards
I picked the wrong day to
by jessica on Sep 13, 2007 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
lmao...
she didn't come back upstairs until she heard me clap after the double play.
i swear that this team is taking years off of my life... but i suppose that i should have known that after watching mitch williams as a kid...
Oh, don't surf
Wait until the playoffs, it gets better. 1984 knocked the wind out of me; F----- Steve Garvey!
2003 turned me gray. This year it will all fall out.
The 84 playoffs
game 5 I did the only thing I could and went to a double feature
of strange old movies ( I remember it was PORTRAIT OF JENNY &
GARDEN OF ALLAH but the films are a blur). I got back home to a TON of concerned phone calls from family and friends afraid
I had done something "stupid".
by jessica on Sep 13, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Shawn Estes
I thought he threw like 8 shutout innings in a must win game.
TONIGHT, bring out the lumber Im calling 3 homers for the Cubs and a convincing win, if not I will be drinking Hacker Schorr so that will soften the blow.
Actually, he through 9!!! shutout
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2003/B09240CIN2003.htm
No way on earth Trax does that....heck I'll take 2 earned runs over 5 innings from him. It might be enough.
by Neifi Puppy on Sep 13, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
omg!
THAT IS AMAZING...
All the right buttons pushed by the former manager, except Guthrie, and Veres, in the NLCS.
And..."lack" of button pushing.
by TheEman on Sep 13, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup....
by blackhawk24 on Sep 13, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
First Timer in Agony
Well, needless to say its great to have her on board, especially because the only reason she came around originally (she's from columbus, oh) is bceasue it gave her something to talk about with her old roommate who dates the d-ray's Brendan Harris, who is good friends with Demp.
Of course, I always knew there was potential with her when she walked by the tv one summer day in '05 and sighed "Ugh! Why do they keep putting Glendon Rusch out there. He sucks!
Welcome aboard, hun. Can't wait to enjoy the next 2 1/2weeks and 40 years with you and the boys in blue.
by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 13, 2007 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
exhausted
Take up smoking....
wait until the playoffs
I'm already getting my roll of firecrackers ready for a division winning celebration. It'll be a wheel of them totaling more than 15,000 crackers. Should last about 10 minutes.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 13, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Just another day in the life...
Unfortunately, the commercial then takes the wrong turn by adding the Red Sox to the scene. Perhaps the producers forgot that story line -- is over.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 13, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Da Curse
bag .... I thought maybe maybe............
Oh well..... I wish I could feel comfortable when I see Ryan walk in to close.
by FlaCub on Sep 13, 2007 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
I think we need perspective
I was monitoring the game on Gameday...
I was sure it was either a sac fly or a fielder's choice scoring the run, but then -- hark! -- three outs were indicated at the top of the screen. And then -- lo and behold! -- a description of the play appeared. And I could tell just by reading that description that something truly magical had occurred.
Ah, the joys of baseball in the 21st Century.
re: He should buy his own pants
re: Buy yourself
Its time.
This may make me captian obvious to some, but tonight will either panic or placate.
While I'm weary of the Brewers applying pressure to the Cubs, I love seeing the standings and seeing 1st place in September.
Would Jack have said...
(Dempster really didn't have to perform this feat, but Jack loved that phrase and nobody under the age of 40 understands it, so I just had to throw it in.)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 13, 2007 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
I may have an idea of what that meant...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be lazy...
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not even necessary to key it into Google...
Reds Vs Cards
i don't know which is worse
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice 'club' comment...
Hey throw Milo Hamilton and Hawk Harrelson into there and let us know how that compares.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 13, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
5-1 Reds
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh boy...
Boy would I like to see that at 11 games come Sunday evening.
If Cards lose...
LaRussa is baseball's version of Belichick. They're both very good coaches but very unethical too.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope not
They have to take the higher road and play it straight.
Plenty of opportunities next season.
Don't count them out just yet...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
nope...(take two)
{i tried to post this before but not sure if it went thru (i didn't see it come up)}
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's funny...
Whew!!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Never realized
I love rotoworld's sarcasm
He'll face the Cubs this way, and he's still scheduled to make four more starts regardless. Kip Wells will "pitch" Thursday against the Reds.
==========
I love that Kip Wells part
Let's go Cincy!!!
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
re: Let's go Cincy!!!
He looks like
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
re: He looks like
Sweet Loyd Christmas hair!
sick.
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you DO that?
by lancaster99 on Sep 13, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I use my special internet...

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 13, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ruh Roh
laws of probability say the cards will be due to at least win a couple...here's to the cubs continuing to defy all probability and logic!
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:25 PM CDT reply actions
Deja Vu 2003 series?
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Close...
The DH was a day-night and split. The game they lost was when Alfonseca got ejected after the line drive fair/foul ball call.
Sammy won one of the games with a 15th-inning HR. Pujols also made a critical error in LF that day.
That was also the Dusty/LaRussa yap-fest from the dugouts.
Stand corrected (once again)
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It's OK
Anybody note the story
That's your two-time World Champion Marlins. I don't even think a new ball park would help. Get that team and the Devil Rays out of Florida. The Sunshine State is fine for Spring Training, but useless anytime else, unless a World Series stops by.
I understand the teams are run by idiots. I know that...but how long can this go on?
Time for out-of-the box thinking....why not Mexico City as a site for an MLB team?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 13, 2007 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
how about just contracting
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I've said this before
Football (professional and particularly college) and Nascar (golf a distant third) are the ONLY sports that matter. Look at the Braves- they've done nothing but win for a decade and a half and are lucky to get 25k people for a game.
Baseball is a northern and california sport. The teams in other areas have no loyal fans.
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true
As for Atl, that is one sorry-ass sports town; yuk!
having lived in florida
just look at D-Rays games when they play the yanks or red sox...it is essentially a home game for the yanks or red sox.
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
My point exactly
No exagerration. None.
(aside- after game 5 on the way down the escalator, Marlin fans sarcastically joked with me "don't worry, we'll win both against Wood and Prior." joke ended up being on me)
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
There had to be...
That game yesterday -- couldn't have been more than 100 or so people left at the end, which went 12 innings. The TV people were carefully avoiding any stadium wide shots. It was a day game, probably part of the reason.
I wonder
by Matt Allison on Sep 13, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Or...
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of US players are from the south though
Maybe I have it wrong?
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Warm climates
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Too many transplants down there
Swim about 90 miles South
by lostinthevines on Sep 13, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, not 90 miles from Tampa, but
by lostinthevines on Sep 13, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Listening to the Cards/Reds game...
ROFL
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Have to admit
I don't want them to be "DUE" this weekend
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:49 PM CDT reply actions
re: Have to admit
Best would be...
A guy can hope, can't he?
Yeah
The Astros could bounce back quick with Berkman, Pence, Lee, Oswalt, Lidge, Patton, and a decent supporting cast. The Cards on the other hand, they don't really even have prospects except for Ankiel like OFs who hit .250, 25-30 HRs, and K a ton. The Reds and Pirates have brighter futures too. Especially if LaRussa retires, the Cards will be Central League fodder for years to come.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't rolen out?
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You heard correctly
yeah sorry
Ryan or Branyan at 3B for the Cards all weekend. A hurt Rolen or those two guys is basically the same thing.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
re: Yeah
From your keyboard to the Baseball Gods' ears.
The almighty Stoney
I read about that somewhere earlier in the year
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay,
I do, however, reserve the right to vent at a later date should the situation arise.
IF the Cubs play in October, I may need "the paddles" handy when he's in to shut it down.
Give DeRosa a night off and play Fontenot - I've got a feeling he could do something good against Williams.
by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 13, 2007 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
100% agree
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If [when] the Cubs play in October...
First there is no such thing as a five-man rotation; hell there sometimes isn't a four-man.
Starters can relieve, relievers are moved around.
Just look at what Josh Beckett did for the fish in '03 against us and the evil empire.
It's funny
I don't think the Cubs have the greatest squad this year either. We are a flawed team. But all I asked for this year was for them to be competitive, a realistic goal that, seeing as it's now 9/13, they have achieved. That's a successful season. Not a great season, just successful. But my idea of "successful" seasons changes year to year, as do most of our expectations, much like the team's ability. Next year, I'll expect more, because they'll be in a better position going in than they were this year.
To sit back and say the Cubs will blow it and lose, even if they make the playoffs, is ridiculous, because their chances of winning it all aren't all that great in any given year. Same goes for almost every team in the league. It's easier to bet on them losing than it is on them winning. That's where hope comes into play, and that's where many of us long suffering fans get our patience and ability to take the good with the bad, and sometimes the bad with the bad, too.
Great post
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
re: Great post
Beyond that, I'm torn between defining a "successful season" as either being in contention in September or actually making the post-season. In any case, by my (perhaps low) standards, any games your team plays in the post-season are gravy.
And a World Series win is the rarest of treats, though it obviously shouldn't be as rare as once every CENTURY or so.
And once you DO get in the postseason...
Just get in. Not only that, but over a four-week period you only have to go 11-8 to win the whole thing.
I'd feel more reassured
lemon
What is mis-information?
I meant disinformation
"Disinformation is the deliberate dissemination of false information. In the context of espionage or military intelligence, it is the deliberate spreading of false information to mislead an enemy as to one's position or course of action. It also includes the distortion of true information in such a way as to render it useless."
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You got it...
i hate biology
Then why are you taking it?
Try
don't get me wrong
Plus, i think the whole school grading system should change. People care more about getting good grades and studying just for grades and getting into a great college than memorizing the material and taking it to heart..
Oh Christ!
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I must have been a lucky one
Only drawback, I graduated from the same school as Hillary...yes, that Hillary.
school has probably gotten harder
and while i am reading biology, i am learning about the excretion of anthropods..two questions..why should i care about this and why will i need this in life?
I can't speak to harder now...
I worked my ass off for NHS as a 1st semester senior and even with all that work still only finished in the 92nd percentile. There were A LOT of really, really smart kids at my school.
My science requirement was really only 1 year, didn't have to be bio - lucky for me 'cause I couldn't have cut a frog apart - so for me it was chem & physics.
I lucked out in that math was a breeze. I was one of 'those kids' who blew the math test curves. History and other social studies were requirements and I did the minimum.
All electives were in industrial arts; for me that was wood shop and electronics, plus a couple semesters in foods class.
Trust me
Remember what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
take this to heart
School teaches you to learn how to think. I've preached that to my children and God children for nearly a quarter century now.
I strongly agree with this statement.
disagree
School eats it!...other than the girls ;-)
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Pujols just lead off the ninth...
5-4 Reds.
And now the Reds announcers are criticizing Buck Coats' handling of the play.
Marmol = '96 Rivera, '02 K-Rod
The 2002 Angels and 1996 Yankees both had incredible relief weapons that they used in the middle-to-late innings and in tight spots. I'm happy to see Lou using what is essentially the same strategy.
by ClosingTime on Sep 13, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
since Ankiels* 2HR 7RBI performance
Like the asterisk
by lostinthevines on Sep 13, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
And Chanman? Cubsbak is right. Enjoy school while it lasts. I just turned 34 and still teach part-time at university, and there's nothing like those years in college. Worst thing I ever did was graduate.
Too bad we can't all be Van Wilders!!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
You have to grow up sometime, but I tell everyone I know in college to stop, look around, and enjoy it. Life ain't the same afterwards.
by SouthsideCub on Sep 13, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd agree, hawk.
As Hakim Bey once said, "These things make wonderful toys but terrible addictions."
The Roman Empire fell when everyone got fat
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The american Empire fell when everyone got fat
...stay tuned
by cubsirishkillme on Sep 13, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
ah yes the EMPIRE
But when I ask whether America should be an empire or act and behave like an empire it is a question not asked conventionally. America has acted like an empire, first the permission to save capitalism and the free market (both of which are an illusion as to their ideal, there is no free market invisible hand and neoclassic or Kensyian economics is a fraud) but anyway the question remains should we be an empire.
Empires come and go, because of the nature of things, they expand and seek wealth from conquests, (military or economic or both) but nonetheless those targeted, those cultures, peoples et cetera oppose that expansion.
The fact that we are a law based society that the Constitution does not recognize that the US is an empire provides an achilles heal as the it is shown with our war in Iraq and Afghanistan. We cannot act as an empire in full light of the day.l
Then there is the cause you said that whether a citizen's ultimate purpose is to serve the empire by not being fat or whether it is the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as this nation was founded?
Yes we acted as a virtual economic empire, raiding and pillaging 3rd world resources and riches for our gain, now that is coming to an end and the decline is at hand. Is that really a bad thing or should we develop into a sense like Sweden or the Swiss and live within our means and better harmony of the world?
Sweeden
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 13, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Too many prople hate us to spend much less
by lostinthevines on Sep 13, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean on defense and not offense
the cost differential will be enormous. And we will have to spend trillions on military to secure oil based economies where oil in 2010 will be twice what is today, 2015 three times.....
you do the math, it is not hard....then there is the cost of health care...oh yes the free market will take of that...
It's been years since my World History class...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
My family didn't steal anything.
Well, by me I think it's OK
My kids (and my God kids for that matter) did/are not grow(ing) up with most of those distractions.
In our home, we have regulated hours for TV. I have timing systems to regulate the hours.
Video games are restricted to hand-held units that are given out on a pass; after chores and/or homework is completed.
Cell phones are not given out until partly through the 9th grade and even then its regulated.
Computer time is productive and I have my own wireless network where I can manage every computer's activity in the house (there's 6 of them).
science and math
It succeeded in its aim but with a cost. The cost is that education fails most of the students in its design. Math and science is not the end all, and a student's objective should not be a civilian soldier for the capitalistic, military industrial complex of the American Empire...who is kidding who.
We have stripped our education of its core for the sake of technology, the question is do you believe in freedom of the individual and society or the ruse of freedom for the sake of a material empire.
As for the fault of parents, i have found that most parents are pretty capable and only don't measure up to other anecdotal fear mongering.
My wife and I simply want the best for our kids
If they end up an engineer like me, they'll be rewarded with a higher starting salary. I feel blessed with my situation in that I can provide for a large family given my education and work history.
We also want to give them the exposure in school; whether or not they go a particular way I don't know.
We want them to be financially independent and getting a good education is paramount. It'll teach them to think; teach them to make good decisions.
We are also pushing them to look at various activities that interest them. At present one child is in her school's band. Another plays [fast pitch] softball. Two of my God children are moving into health services.
Bottom line, they all had lots of exposure.
mixing situations
Realty is that the US society has a shrinking middle class in wealth and opportunity for some time, some economists point to 1972 as the high point based on wealth, earnings, work hours per family, upward mobility, savings, etc. What is best comes down to the simplest projection, individuals should find work that is a calling, a passion, not a chore and not what people think is a good living.
As far as education, is the purpose seeking to developing a critical thinking person or someone who is rote in responding to testing.
Knowledge is good.
I can't say school is any harder/easier than it used to be, but I don't think the current methodology is working too well. Far too much "teaching to the tests," etc. You learn a hell of a lot more through careful reading, discussion/debate, and writing than you do filling in circles.
well i guess its benefiticial to take all advance
no doubt the curriculum teaches to the test
It is baloney...it is a broken system and won't be fixed until it crashes.
agree
Also, like i said ealier, people care more about getting an A on the test than learning about the subject..
Ahhh, but there lies within the answer!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawk,
Thanks...
The worm
To whom do lions cast their gentle looks?
Not to the beast that would usurp their den.
The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,
And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood.'"
Everyone thinks
Ivy, empire is as empire does, whether it's blatant or under the table. And while I agree with your ideas, I don't think many parents have their priorities straight enough. Sure, they're capable, but they are not willing. Hence, 99% of all families are two-income families, the kids are sent off to daycare, school, etc. What's given importance, simply by the choices the parents have made, is work, monetary gain, material wealth. Only the best families - like maybe Hawk's - can keep a comfortable balance between this and a caring, nuturing household that fosters independence, thought, and freedom of the self. Damn, I feel like I'm lecturing so I'll stop. Interesting discussion though.
Not sure how relevant this will be, but here goes
Through that HS, I was able to get top-notch education, while involving myself in extra-curricular activities that allowed me to travel the world. I owe my professional acting career to that HS because that's where I got my start and met my mentor. Not only because of that, but because the education I received there is unlike any that I would've gotten anywhere else.
It still pains me to see deaf adults and young kids going through school years behind everyone else. If anything, I suppose I'd tell you to be grateful that your kids are much better off than most deaf people will ever be. Like I said before, I'm not sure how relevant my rant is, but had to chime in.
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not entirely surprising
Very interesting 76.
Problem is..
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempster
by DA4528 on Sep 13, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
I think he scares everyone, however...
until then, be prepared for an elevated blood pressure...
by TheRiot4Life on Sep 13, 2007 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think if we followed most closers...
Dempster's done a good job this year, save three or four spectacular blowups. That's not bad. I still like him.
the difference is style of pitching
So the ball is in play and often there are men on base.
Don't worry too much.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 13, 2007 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempster was just trying
there you go!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 13, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice to
I admit
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 13, 2007 11:26 PM CDT reply actions

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