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PEORIA, Arizona -- I have no idea what people see in Sergio Mitre.

He has come through the Cub farm system without any seriously terrific stats, and didn't do that well as the rotation replacement for Mark Prior last year.

It's a good thing that Prior threw off a mound today and may be ready to get into simulated games soon, because Mitre stunk out the otherwise lovely Peoria Sports Complex today, in front of a sellout crowd of mostly Cub fans (10,361) and the Cubs lost to the Padres 9-5 on an afternoon that was really nice when the sun was out and somewhat coolish when it ducked behind one of the fair-weather cumulus clouds that scudded by most of the day.

Nomar had himself a day today -- two homers and a sac fly before being lifted in the 8th, but he also made three throwing errors -- at least that's the way I scored them. Aramis Ramirez also let a ball go off his glove for an error.

The second Nomar error, after the first two men made easy out in the fourth, proved Mitre's undoing. He gave up a single to pitcher Woody Williams (his second of the game), a ringing double by Dave Roberts, and then a long home run by Cub-killer Brian Giles, which was caught barehanded by a guy sitting about 20 feet from me, Krista and Krista's sister Carolyn -- Jeff having decided to spend the first few innings watching his alma mater Southern Illinois lose 85-77 to Oklahoma State. He joined us for the last few innings, the first day our bleacher group has begun to reconstitute itself in the Valley of the Sun.

Here's a weird bit of trivia about Dave Roberts, who the Padres acquired from the Red Sox over the winter.

He is the fourth Dave Roberts to play in the major leagues. The latest three of them have all played for San Diego, and the other one had his entire career before there was a franchise in San Diego.

Yeah, I know. You don't care.

I really like Peoria Stadium -- they have the best food stands in the Cactus League. I had a double cheeseburger at "Randy Jones' MVP Stand", then was still hungry so I wolfed down a turkey sausage. We sat in just about the same spot we'd be in if we were home at Wrigley Field -- only from there, there is a huge light standard which blocks part of the view of the scoreboard. So I couldn't see strikes, hits or errors; I had to stand up and walk a bit to check the error count.

You don't care, I know.

After Mr. Meat Tray had given up eight runs (for his ERA, the last four were unearned after Nomar's error), the rest of the staff had a nice afternoon. Mike Remlinger got stretched out today and threw two innings, and even came to bat, a rarity in any game, much less seeing a relief pitcher hit in a spring training match, and he celebrated by getting a hit.

How rare is that for him? He's a .073 lifetime hitter and has not had a hit in a regular-season game since 1998, when he was a rotation starter for the Reds.

LaTroy Hawkins and Will Ohman also threw scoreless innings, and Ohman was particularly impressive, striking out the side sandwiched around a pinch-hit double. Ohman is getting very close to making the club as LOOGY specialist.

Odd sight #1: Jeromy Burnitz having to run over to the RF line on three consecutive pitches that were all fouled down the line, with no ballboy/girl there to retrieve it. He flung all of them into the seats.

Odd sight #2: A very large man dressed in White Sox cap and Magglio Ordonez jersey. Figured he got lost on his way to Tempe, where the Sox lost to the Angels today.

Tomorrow, another auditionee for a starting role, Ryan Dempster, will go against the Royals. Dempster's made the team in any event, but the way he's thrown so far this spring, and after today's disaster, we hope even more fervently for a fast Wood and Prior recovery.

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What I see in Mitre is a guy who, after going down to AAA, had an ERA under 3, struck out almost 3X as many people as he walked, and pitched well overall in a league that, IIRC, is known for it's offense. Is Mitre having a good spring, no, but he's having a better spring then Glendon Rusch. Dempster certainly isn't wowing people. What we need to remember is that Arizona is a really bad place to evaluate pitchers. The dry air may not have an impact on power pitchers but it's notoriously bad for finesse pitchers. Whenever I want to consider dumping Rusch, I just remember that he got rocked last spring for Texas before being cut. The Cubs picked him up and the rest is history. Rusch may just not pitch well in Arizona. It's possible that the same is true of Mitre.

by dmlichte on Mar 20, 2005 7:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.
but others DO pitch well in Arizona.

You're right about Rusch and Dempster too. If Wood and Prior are indeed healthy, Mitre needs to go back to Iowa again.

by Al on Mar 20, 2005 10:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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I know that some pitchers pitch well in Arizona, many do. But to be honest, of the Cubs starters, only Zambrano is pitching well. Maddux has been okay (his ERA is slightly less than Mitre's). Dempster and Rusch are in the same camp as Mitre. My point was that some times you've got to take things into account besides game performance. If a pitcher is a curve ball pitcher, he likely is going to get hit around more than fastball pitchers. This is where the old adage about placing too much credence on spring training performance came from.

by dmlichte on Mar 21, 2005 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: best food stands
I have to disagree with Al's assessment of the food at the Peoria stadium ~ they have probably the largest variety of ballpark fare, but they also have some of the longest lines - I speak from experience having witnessed firsthand on no fewer than two occasions patrons waiting in line for over an inning then being turned away for not having enough hotdogs...hotdogs -> Who doesn't have enough hotdogs at a baseball game?

by Weesh187 on Mar 20, 2005 11:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's why...
I went to get food BEFORE the game started.

No lines, no waiting!

And maybe the lines are an indication of how good the food is!

by Al on Mar 20, 2005 11:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Face it.......
Mitre is junk. He might not be in a couple seasons, but right now he is junk. Not saying that from 1 ST game either. He doesn't have any 1 good pitch that you need to be a ML Pitcher. He has Average everything.
  Al is right, I hope he starts the season in AAA where he belongs and not on a MLB Opening Day roster. Just because Mitre might be the lesser of the evils, does not mean that he should be the 5th starter. If it does come down to him being the 5th starter, the Cubs better go out and find 1 via trade. The Mets did yesterday by getting Ishii from the Dodgers.
  Perhaps Mitre and Kelton would be enough to entice a GM to send 1 the Cubs way.

by strohdkill on Mar 21, 2005 11:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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