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Funeral For A Friend

That's how it felt walking into the hallowed, ivied walls last night -- funereal.

The ballpark was very slow filling up -- an hour before game time there couldn't have been 10,000 in the house, compared to the day before, when the place was nearly full at that point, most of whom came early just to get the Ryne Sandberg Hall of Fame replica cap. And even at "capacity", there were large clumps of empty seats, and the announced attendance of 37,625 was the smallest in months. There are some who say that there is some statement to be made here, that somehow staying away will "force change", but the reality of baseball life is that things don't work that way.

Those of us who were there early simply enjoyed the glorious late-summer weather, watched some high, wispy clouds that were blowing off the northern edge of Hurricane Katrina (and that produced a gorgeous pink & orange sunset -- no disrespect meant to those who have suffered from this storm, only pointing out how huge a storm it is, that we could see clouds off its edge more than 1000 miles from the center), and settled in to watch the Cubs play a team that came in with a record even worse than theirs -- in fact, since their 12-5 start, the Dodgers are in Colorado territory (47-66 from that point through Sunday).

And Jerome Williams continued his terrific pitching from his last start -- well, for one inning, anyway.

In the second inning, Williams couldn't get anybody out; while the key hit off him was a two-run Antonio Perez double, the worst of it was the walk he issued to D. J. Houlton with the bases loaded.

To give you an idea of just how bad that was, in 22 at-bats before last night, Houlton had struck out 14 times and had a batting average of .136. He had walked once. Cub pitchers doubled that total last night alone -- Todd Wellemeyer also issued a free pass to Houlton.

What is it with Cub pitchers that they simply cannot throw strikes to opposing hurlers? This isn't the first time this has happened.

The six-run second, which was capped by one of the worst throws ever, a Nomar Garciaparra attempt at a force play at second that nearly wound up in our laps in the right-field bleachers, was far more than enough for a 9-6 Dodger win over the Cubs, though the Cubs at least made it an interesting night with four solo homers.

The first of those blasts, by Jeromy Burnitz (who had two), started out as if it were coming right for us, but wound up flying way over our heads onto Sheffield Avenue. Trust me when I say that the 394-foot distance that was announced for this homer was at least fifty feet short of reality -- the ball bounced on the far side of Sheffield, to our right, one of the longest homers I've seen hit to our side of the ballpark.

Jeff arrived sporting a cotton ball taped to his inner elbow, having spent the day at the doctor's office. He said he felt better but was pretty quiet all night (although he was happy that his cellphone survived the washing machine nightmare), as was Dave, who spent the evening mostly looking at the ground, then left early after we had discussed some more player moves that could be made either now or in the off-season... and one of those moves was, in fact, made during the game, the trade of Todd Hollandsworth to the Braves, which, (yeah, I know it's easy to say now, after the fact) was one of the teams I thought might be interested in a veteran like Holly.

I thought something might be up with him when he was pulled from the game after the seventh, for no obvious reason.

The two minor league pitchers the Cubs got in return likely aren't much (particularly Angelo Burrows -- he's 25, a pitcher converted from the outfield and still toiling in A ball at that age isn't a real good indicator of making it in the majors), but again, as in the Matt Lawton deal, getting something in return for someone who's not going to be part of the 2006 Cubs was worthwhile.

Frankly, I was kind of hoping that the Cubs could deal Corey Patterson somewhere, but after last night, with several major league scouts likely watching, who'd want him? Patterson waved at a pitch about ten feet over his head in his first at-bat as a pinch-hitter, and then looked at strike three in the ninth.

The Cubs made the game interesting for a while, with Todd Walker and Nomar adding solo homers to Burnitz' pair, closing to within 8-5 before Scott Williamson decided to join the party by giving up a bases-empty homer to LA's Jayson Werth in the ninth. The Cubs added two non-homer runs of their own late in the game, one coming on Scott McClain's first major league RBI. Sure, it came on a play that might have resulted in a double play if Jose Valentin had been able to make what normally is a routine throw, but I'm sure McClain, who had to toil in the minors and Japan for seven years in between major league stints, will take it.

This season now over -- there, I said it -- the Cubs will begin making moves in preparation for 2006. Kerry Wood will have arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder tomorrow, performed by Reds team doctor Timothy Kremchek, one of the most noted authorities in this area; the roster spots opened by this and the Hollandsworth deal will result in the recalls of Jermaine Van Buren and Matt Murton, effective today.

The scheduled surgery, announced yesterday, made it even more puzzling to see Wood in the game -- what if he'd gotten injured even more seriously? We figured it was because someone had decided that everyone on the pitching staff whose last name begins with "W" had to get in the game last night (and did: Williams, Wellemeyer, Wuertz, Wood and Williamson, in that order). Meanwhile, this article on the Cubs website says that Aramis Ramirez is "progressing" in his rehab, but also implies that he might not play the rest of the year.

Good. Aramis may have personal goals yet (100 RBI), but why risk injuring him further now? The article also implies what all of us have noted this year -- that Aramis really isn't in very good shape in general, and needs a rigorous off-season workout program to get in better playing condition.

We were also joined last night by Joe Baker, who posts here under the name "PhillyCub", and who told us how, despite the fact that the Phillies are currently leading the wild-card race, the Philadelphia papers are "All Eagles and all T. O. all the time". At least they have a good football team to write about.

Late in the game Mike asked me how many multi-homer games Derrek Lee, who had one on Sunday, had this year. The answer is eight, and that seemed a lot to me when I heard that number, and Mike confirmed that. The record for such things is eleven, held by... Sammy Sosa. Lee, who was 0-for-5 after his big day Sunday, still has a shot at this, as well as a batting title, and perhaps other individual honors.

That's what we have left for us this year, as the Cubs enter September for the first time in three years playing games that aren't meaningful for them for any postseason consideration. In fact, they can't really even play spoiler. Beginning Friday, when there will be 29 games remaining, only seven of those will be against a team with any realistic postseason hopes -- the seven games with the Astros.

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At least management is looking to 2006
I am bitterly disappointed in this year's team -- I understand that injuries took a huge toll but you have to admit this team underachieved all year -- but like all Cubs fans I am already looking to next season and how things can change for the better.

I couldn't agree more that management needs to sit kerry down and have a "come to Jesus" meeting with him.  The closer role is perfect for him -- at least for the near future.

All the other things I think have to do with how the youngsters perform over the winter and next spring.  We have talent in the minor leagues I hope it pans out.

There will be plenty of time to speculate on corey, dusty, et al in the months ahead.

In the meantime, I am going to enjoy my favorite time of year as a sports fan -- end of baseball season, beginning of football (college AND pro).

Given the devastation we're seeing in Miss, LA and yes here in Alabama (though not where I am thank God), it's times like this I'm glad I have sports to look forward to.

I never really do this but if you can, the Red Cross, Salvation Army etc can REALLY use your help.  I happen to work with folks from near New Orleans and it's worse than you can imagine believe me.

Anyway, Al, as always I'm envious of you and the rest of the folks who get to see this great game on a regular basis.

"I love winning, you know it's like, better than losing" -- Nuke Lalouche

by AlabamaCubFan on Aug 30, 2005 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Something funny happened last night
Something I'm not used to after two years of competitive teams.  I turned on the television last night, with the game already in progress, and the score Dodgers 8- Cubs 2.  And I didn't care.  

But it wasn't a hopeless, I'm disgusted, can't watch this anymore, lack of caring.  Instead, I just sat down and enjoyed watching some baseball without worrying about the score.  

I think I've gone through the classic stages regarding the death of the Cubs season.  Anger - what are they doing out there?  They're a better team than this....  Denial - they still have a shot, at least mathematically....  Sadness - I just can't bear watching this sad excuse for a club anymore....  And finally, Acceptance - the season doesn't have long left, so I might as well enjoy it, and oh yeah, there's always Next Year!

by SuperContext on Aug 30, 2005 9:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You are so right...
... that's kind of how it felt at the ballpark, too, especially with the weather being so nice and the realization that summer is fading, and we ought to enjoy the lovely days and nights while they are still here.

I love baseball, and though the result of 2005 isn't what I wanted, I'm not going to let that suck the fun out of it.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you
my doppelganger?
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 30, 2005 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nomar Knoblauch?
I think Nomar's had 3 errors in the last week or so since resting the sore back.  Is he still hurt and desperate to make some impact before the season's over?  Or is some mental thing coming into play?  Fortunately, his offense seems to be stepping up a bit.

by DaveinHouston on Aug 30, 2005 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It may be...
... all of the above.

At this point, it might be the best thing for both parties to sign Nomar to play left field. It seems clear he can still produce the sort of offense that a club looks for out of a corner outfielder, and I believe he could handle that position, which places far fewer demands on a player than SS (or 3B, for that matter).

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The stages at BCB
Denial - The Cubs will go on a tear in the second half

Anger - Never cccured here.

Bargaining - Jim Hendry will trade for more players at the deadline.

Depression - The last week around here.

Acceptance - today.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reprinted w/o permission
Posted publicly elsewhere.  Reprinted here to point the finger at Dusty Baker:

A Joe Sheehan article that puts most of what we knew into numbers.

Over the weekend, the Cubs acknowledged that they would not be making a charge into the wild-card chase by swapping Matt Lawton to the Yankees for an A-ball pitcher. The Cubs may make another deal or two before Wednesday's trade deadline, and will be making other moves, like shutting down Kerry Wood, shortly.

This has been another disappointing season on the north side of Chicago. The Cubs, expected to contend for a division title and a World Series crown, will be fortunate to finish over .500. For the second straight year, both Wood and Mark Prior missed substantial parts of the season, the former with shoulder problems, the latter with a fluke broken arm. With the team's greatest strength sapped, the flawed roster--mediocre relief pitching, terrible corner outfielders, major OBP issues--sunk the Cubs' ship, even as Derrek Lee was putting together a career year and chasing a Triple Crown.

A peek at the old format EqA Report shows that the Cubs are actually fourth in the NL in Equivalent Average, an indication that the offense hasn't been the problem. Peeking to the rightward columns, though, and you see one major problem: the Cubs have scored 40 runs fewer than Clay's formulae predict, the biggest shortfall in the NL. That's a reflection of the offensive dysfunction the Cubs have played with all year long, thanks to Dusty Baker's inability to assemble a lineup.

Baker wasted strong seasons from Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Michael Barrett by stubbornly batting OBP sinks Corey Patterson and Neifi Perez in the top two lineup spot for much of the season. The Cubs have gotten a .306 OBP from their leadoff hitters this year, despite Jerry Hairston Jr. leading the team with more than 250 leadoff PAs and a .360 OBP. Patterson had a .268 OBP batting #1, and Perez a .253 mark. Most of their ABs came during May and June, when Lee was at his hottest, putting up huge rate stats and so-so RBI totals because he batted so often with the bases empty. Cubs' #2 hitters have a .310 OBP, with Todd Walker's good work (.340) being cancelled by Perez's typical work (.318) and Patterson's nightmare (.220)

It's dangerous to oversimplify this, but so much of the Cubs' deficit in the wild-card race can be traced directly to their shortfall in runs, and that deficit to poor lineup construction, that it's hard not to just level a finger at Baker. Watching what he's done with his left fielders doesn't help his case. Here are the Cubs' left fielders in 2005, by overall OPS for the team:

Matt Murton           880
Jason Dubois          761
Todd Hollandsworth    697
Matt Lawton           597
Jody Gerut            330

That same group, by plate appearances for the Cubs:

Todd Hollandsworth    287
Jason Dubois          152
Matt Lawton            83
Matt Murton            66
Jody Gerut             16

Baker was given a good young option at the start of the season in Jason Dubois. He platooned him, then not even that, even as he was the most productive left fielder on the team. Given Matt Murton, he played the prospect sporadically, even as he hit .441/.524/.599 in July. Once Matt Lawton was acquired, Murton's playing time--then his roster spot--vanished. Baker gave his two best left fielders less time combined than he did his third-best, in part because Baker values Hollandsworth's defense. The decision was one of many that kept the Cubs' offense from being a force.

Left field is where Jim Hendry has made his strangest contribution to the collapse. He dealt Dubois to Cleveland for Jody Gerut, who barely played before his surgically-repaired knee forced him to the disabled list. At the trade deadline, Hendry sent Gerut to the Pirates for Lawton, an older version of a comparable player, but one who could actually take the field. I defended both of these deals, especially the latter, because of the Cubs' desperate need for OBP atop the lineup. Lawton was a disaster, putting up a .244/.289/.308 month before being sent to the Yankees. While Hendry's intentions were good and his execution reasonably effective, had Baker simply used Murton, the rest of the sequence after acquiring Gerut might never have been necessary.

Baker was also largely responsible for the mishandling of the pitching staff. He can't be blamed for Prior's broken arm, of course, but his inability to identify Glendon Rusch as one of the team's best starting pitchers cost them a number of games during the year. Rusch opened the season in the bullpen, watching as Ryan Dempster made six starts with a 5.35 ERA. Allowed to start in early May, Rusch made ten starts through June 23, posting a 3.22 ERA in that time. He was the Cubs' second-best starter in that period, but was jammed back into the bullpen so that Baker could mess around with Rich Hill (8.57 ERA) and John Koronka (7.47), while misusing Rusch in a role--lefty specialist--for which he's never been equipped.

The gap between Cubdom and contention is wide, but so much of it is contained in three Baker mistakes: using Neifi Perez and Corey Patterson atop the lineup, refusing to play his better left fielders, not keeping Rusch in the rotation. He made other errors--continuing to misuse Mike Remlinger as a specialist, and subsequently discarding him; using the fragile Chad Fox on three straight days in April, essentially breaking him; burying Todd Walker in the #6 spot for a month--all of which pushed the Cubs a bit further and a bit further from success, until they were reduced to an afterthought by the end of August.

In the wake of the 2003 NL Championship Series, in which Baker made a series of bad decisions that cost the Cubs, I wrote: "The Cubs will never get this close again with Baker as their manager." I see no reason to back away from that statement. Baker continues to show little understanding of how an offense works, of how to fit his players' skills to the proper roles. Worse, he shows little desire to learn these things, making the same mistakes repeatedly while taking little criticism for his decisions, and deflecting what criticism comes in a manner that has nothing to do with baseball. Whatever his leader-of-men qualities may be, it's increasingly clear that they're not enough to make up for his decisions.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Corey AB's
Al said

"Frankly, I was kind of hoping that the Cubs could deal Corey Patterson somewhere, but after last night, with several major league scouts likely watching, who'd want him? Patterson waved at a pitch about ten feet over his head in his first at-bat as a pinch-hitter, and then looked at strike three in the ninth."

This makes it clear that Patterson has actually regressed after his stint in the AAA. I always remember Corey swinging at pitches that were below and above the strike zone, but he seemed to lay off pitches that were either in or out. It looks like now he has no CLUE of any zone. He is swinging and missing at pitches EVERYWHERE; and he is striking out looking now, which means he is not swinging at hittable pitches! I seriously hope that the offseason brings us the end of the Corey at the CF saga.

BTW, Cedeno's AB on Sun where he fought off about 10 pitches from Beckett before getting a hit was a refreshing exapmle of a good AB from a young guy who seems to be capable. Sad that Corey was not watching closely.

by victor on Aug 30, 2005 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lets pile more crap on Corey
he's trying thats all we can ask,  I'll give him an offseason to figure out his problems and hopefully see him in Spring Training.

He's just not right in the head right now.  He is having longer at bats now at least, mainly do to a shortened swing, he just doesn't have an eye right now, probably because so much other crap on his mind.

Maybe he can make an appointment with a sports shrink and get his head straightened out.  Once he gets his head in order if it isn't Chicago I am sure we will be regretting it.  I will mark this post and re-post it when Corey comes around next year.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 30, 2005 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has been suggested...
... that some of Patterson's problems could be vision-related. This makes some sense, considering he's swinging at balls that aren't even in the same zip code as the batter's box.

What would it hurt to send him to get a LASIK screening? Several ballplayers have had this surgery (and I have myself, so I can vouch for its success).

One of those is David Dellucci, who had it last offseason.

Check out the 2004 and 2005 numbers and you can clearly see how it helped him.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no question
about his 'trying'. I am sure all professional atheletes try. That is not the question here. I was just looking at the fact that he seems to have regressed. And what are you watching? He is having longer at bats? When? He recently made 4 outs on 5 pitches? That is having longer at bats?

You can mark my post, or print it and send it to Corey with a love letter of your own for all I care. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE talks about Corey's potential. Heck even I can see that. That is not the problem. He just seems 'stuck'. If he has to leave the Cubs to fully utilize his talents, then for his sake he needs to move on. Do you realistically think that the booing he hears everytime he fails at an AB at HOME will not affect him adversely? I have no problems with people booing him, I am just saying he always seems like a sensitive guy when he talks to the media. And this has got to be killing him. But the Cubs as an organization have to consider moving on. We cannot go into another season with an everyday CF like Corey. Add to that, he is unwilling to play Winter ball according to reports. So what does Hendry do?

by victor on Aug 31, 2005 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funereal
It's interesting that you describe last night in that way. After Sunday's Ryno ceremonies & the Messmer family national anthem, I said that it was the last "good day" of the season, and it sure sounds like the experience the rest of the way (I think I'm going to 7/10 of the games remaining in the N&W package) will be very weather-dependent.

by goldstj2 on Aug 30, 2005 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
... if you are going to the night/weekend games, at least you will see the Cardinals three times and the Astros twice.

Weather tends to be decent till about the third week of September... so at least the next homestand should be OK.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The theory of Boycotting
Since the boycott theory has been bandied about, I thought I might share this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp

Not directly the same, but similar theory. The gist is that it won't work. The number that won't buy in vastly outnumber those who would.

-R

Corey Patterson, please go be potentially good somewhere else.

by Ross on Aug 30, 2005 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gas and tickets aren't analogous
First, if I don't buy gas today, I wil just fill my tank tomorrow or the next day.  The only way to "hurt" the gas companies is to reduce consumption.  A one day boycott only defers the purchase date.

Tickets, if not sold by the day of game, can never be sold.  If the Cubs have 500 unsold tickets today, they can't re-sell them tomorrow.

As a "boycott" has never truly been implemented, there's no way of knowing what effect it would have on Cubs spending.

There is evidence that lower TV ratings and reduced attendance DOES have an effect on spending.  The supposed reason that the Cubs spent bux on Mike Morgan, Danny Jackson and George Bell was that the TV and radio ratings collapsed in the final months of 1990.  This was one year after the win in 1989.

The Trib got hurt in the pocketbook and spent on free agents to rectify the poor ratings.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong!
God, it makes me feel good to say that to you!

Mike Morgan wasn't signed till the 1991 offseason.

Jackson and Bell were signed after 1990, true.

I think you'd agree that Jackson was a really bad signing.

And that was FIFTEEN YEARS AGO, in a vastly different economic era for baseball. I cannot imagine the Cubs shelling out for free agents now, just because they see TV ratings drop. For one thing, back then ALL the games were on WGN. Now, they are split among WGN (with a few farmed out to WCIU) and CSN, in which the Cubs have a part-ownership interest.

Second, for the last three or four years the player payroll has almost exactly tracked the gross ticket revenues. If those go down, you can bet the player payroll will as well.

Finally, the Cub track record over the last fifteen years ought to tell you that just throwing money at free agents isn't the answer. It's spending money wisely. Did the Rangers win after they signed A-Rod to a huge contract? No -- in fact, the team that let him go, by spreading that money around to several players, won 116 games.

Did the Reds win after they spent a gazillion dollars on Ken Griffey Jr? Nope, and they suck even now, despite having a pretty good offense.

The Cubs have to spend wisely and trade wisely, not just spend on free agents to "shore up" TV ratings. Yes, I know that's a big part of this game, but baseball is, after all, not just a TV show.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Small thoughts miss big picture
"Mike Morgan wasn't signed till the 1991 offseason"

So what?  How did the Cubs do in 1990?  If they missed money from 1989 and had poor results in 1990, dont'cha think they'd spend even more in 1991?  Especially considering that Jackson was supposed to be healthy?

And the point of my post wasn't that the Cubs need to spend money on free agents, rather that lack of fan interest can lead to a change in mentality and direction.

If you don't think that ratings and attendance drive Trib Tower decisions on MacPhail, Baker, and Hendry, you don't understand corporate finance mentality.

As to player payroll tracking gross ticket revenues, that's one of those correlation without causation stats.

Every sensible sports economist (Allen R. Sanderson the best example) will tell you that payroll is set in ADVANCE of ticket sales.  From: http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2004/Sandersonsports.html

"And why is it that ... we blame A-Rod or Sammy for increasing the price of baseball tickets? Of course, (that is not) correct: the demand for players, or actors or writers, is a derived demand and thus their salaries stem from higher demands on the part of fans for the final good or service they produce. (If Randy Johnson were to bring the heat for free or Shaq were to clank free throws off the rim for no charge, it would have no more than a negligible effect on Diamondback or Laker tickets; club owners would simply pocket the savings.)

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said that wrong
When I said, "payroll is set in ADVANCE of ticket sales" what I meant was, completely separate.

Ticket prices are set to maximize revenue, not to finance a level of operations.  That's why Premium Ticket was setup - to realize higher revenues in the face of extreme demand.

Regardless of whether players play for free or cost $100mm each, the same number of people will be willing and able to pay a given ticket price. They come for the quality of play (generally!). Therefore, if the Cubs found the revenue-maximizing point of ticket prices, they would not change it just because salaries increase.

Also, were payroll to drop, but attendance remained level, there would be no drop in ticket prices.

Payroll and ticket prices are unrelated.  Attendance and prices are.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make a persuasive argument IF...
... you think the economics of baseball are the same as they were in 1990.

They're not, and I think you know this. The Cubs have many, many more sources of revenue than they did in 1990, or even in 1997. The current level of fan interest hasn't changed much since 1998 -- because even when it flagged slightly after the debacles of 1999 and 2000, the 2001 season brought it up a bit, and 2002 wasn't enough to wrestle it down before the 2003 division championship year.

IF the Cubs were to suck for four or five years, then I might buy your argument. I won't buy it now, and I still think boycotts won't work.

We can bray and bleat all we want behind keyboards, but it won't change the decisions made at Tribune Tower, and it won't get them to sell the team.

I still believe in Jim Hendry. He had a bad year. Lots of baseball people do.

Give him till the end of this offseason, at least, to try to rebuild. I believe he has the payroll room and the smarts to do so.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The economics of ticket sales are...
...the same.  It took 1 year of lower revenues to get the Cubs to change attitude.

The fact that there are more sources only means that the Cubs have more places where they touch the fans' pocketbooks.  And makes them more vulnerable.

"I still think boycotts won't work."

That's an emotional argument, not a logical argument.

"Jim Hendry. He had a bad year."

Two bad years.  Three, if you inlcude the "luck" in Korey's 2003 injury (forcing the A Ram / Lofton deal) and his failure to goose the bullpen in late 2003.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then....
... you and I will have to agree to disagree, then.

Last year wouldn't have been a bad year if the Cubs hadn't had the bad last week, now would it? They were in the driver's seat for a playoff spot and it got wrecked by LaTroy Hawkins, primarily.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
Perhaps.  But if Jim gets a leadoff hitter and a bullpen guy in February, they are competing with the Cards, not Houston.

If Jim trades for Beltran last year, they win.

If Jim trades for Cabrerra when A Gonz broke his wrist instead of waiting until August, they win.

Jim had a bad year last year and this year.

Also, I said all this back then.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, amazingly enough...
... I agree with everything you said there, although I was surprised at how well Cabrera played for the Red Sox. He had a lousy first half for the Expos, which is probably why Hendry went for Nomar instead.

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as an Angel fan
for my second team, I can tell you the fan base is totally fed up with Cabrera.  They are upset at the dollars spent for his production and to see Eckstein flourish in STL.

I guess it's all perspective.  I, for one, am very happy we never traded for or signed Cabrera.

by socalbob on Aug 30, 2005 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way...
...that the 2004 Cabrerra was worse than Rey Ordonez.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
not comparing the two, just saying I don't care for Cabrera.

by socalbob on Aug 30, 2005 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corey Patterson
Someone said we should lay off him because "he's trying."  Well, if I actually thought he was trying, I would.  The fact is, bottom line:  he stinks.  Bad.  Like limburger cheese left in the sun for a week thrown on top of mulch mixed with stinkbait.

I too believe he has regressed since AAA.  Single A ball might suit him better.  In fact, I'm resigned to the fact that we're going to have to release him, because we won't get anything for him.

So here's what we do: rather than list who we should get rid of, I'll list who we should keep.  Its a shorter list.

To wit:
Derrek Lee
Aramis Ramirez
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior

The end.

by drone1047 on Aug 30, 2005 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

corey patterson IS trying
very, very trying

by dc60123 on Aug 30, 2005 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

z

by mike bornemann on Aug 30, 2005 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...
... don't you think Carlos Zambrano ought to be on the "keep" list?

by Al on Aug 30, 2005 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Wood?  He of the "more injuries than Bill Gates has dollars" Wood?

Wood who got paid $143,939.39 per inning this year?

Wood who gets a $2,500,000.00 raise next year?

Wood who has as many arm surgeries as seasons with 30 starts?

You MUST have meant Big Zamboni.

by Ivychat on Aug 30, 2005 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if i was todd hollandsworth
I would be laughing my ass off right now.  Here I am, a guy who was getting a ton of starts when even I knew I was a backup, I got play in Wrigley Field for a couple years, be a hero a couple times, and have girls make signs saying I was hot.  Then right when I overstay my starting welcome on my below .500 team I get traded to a contender to sit on the bench in October.  I am also in my thirties and have long luxurios golden hair, a w.s. ring and a rookie of the year award.  Todd, you are a genius.

by mike bornemann on Aug 30, 2005 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano
Yes.  Carlos should have been on my keep list.

But that's it.

Wood should be, too, but definitely as a closer.  If Dusty Baker stays.  Because he keeps guys in too long.  You know it.  Even if you don't want to admit it, you know it.

But if Dusty goes, and he SHOULD, then Wood can be a starter again.

Under my plan, I'm assuming Maddux will retire and Burnitz and Garciaparra will be lost to free agency.  (Nomar...you want to talk injuries...)

by drone1047 on Aug 30, 2005 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wood won't be a Closer
Curt Schilling's example notwithstanding, there are not many clubs willing to pay a late inning man 12.5 million dollars per year.  The average is between 5-8 million per year, I believe, for great closers like Gagne or Wagner or Isringhausen, despite Rivera's making something like 10 or 11 million.  These salaries are made by proven closers, not experiments.  I like the idea of Wood as a closer, but the money is too expensive for someone unproven as a closer, let alone as a consistent starter.

by Tom Mason on Aug 30, 2005 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since...
... Wood is already making that much money, why not put him in a spot where he can succeed?

I think you'll agree that he didn't really earn his money this year, with all his DL time.

by Al on Aug 31, 2005 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting ...
i noticed many of the same things about yesterday's game.  i got there about 5:45 and the place was empty.  i sat behind the visitors' dugout and there were only about 20 LA fans cheering on their team during batting practice.  my section eventually filled up about the 4th inning but emptied out more or less in the 8th.

there were exciting moments, tho.  the home runs, of course.  but also when it looked like the cubs might stage a serious comeback.

and for all you "fans" that like to spill beer and drop pennies from the upper deck onto the fans of the opposition:  1st and foremost.  you are jerks.  2nd, there's a good chance that you're hitting cub fans down there, too.   but then, 3rd you're probably too drunk to care anyway ...

by kjk on Aug 30, 2005 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bottom Line is Dusty Baker is....
...he is selfish. If I take his comments at face value, ("...I don't like to see that on the back of my bubble gum card." )the reference to a losing season, it IS a slap in the face to Jim Hendry and all of us -- who believe the Cubs future lies in the cultivation of at least a COUPLE of position players, supplemented by a free agent or two. Ivy Chat has a point -- perhaps Dusty wants out, and that sure seems possible to me, as he needs to return to more benign markets (California) that are not as avid over their teams as East Coast/Midwest markets are. Former Tribster Skip Bayless -- I believe wrote a cautionary column on Dusty as the rumors flew here, (before he left the Trib) recounting his days covering the Giants for the SJ Mercury news....I believe his comments have all come home to roost. (I cannot search for the column now, and I doubt the Trib still would have it, anyway)

If he wanted to be here next year, he'd see what he had to work with -- but he wants to 'reward Neifi.' BS. His paycheck is his reward. Dusty's an idiot or he thinks WE are.

And as Paul Harvey would say -- this is Coming to you from Chicago...sitting next to Dusty Wednesday in Row 2 behind the on-deck circle...

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 30, 2005 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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