Down on the Farm recap
I took some notes during this year's Cubs Convention. Since I owe Al a favor or two, I thought I'd post what I've got on a session Al missed, "Down on the Farm". I'll start with descriptions of the people up front; if you want to read only the information the session produced, just skip down until you see some blank space, there'll be something there.
As usual, former Cubs announcer Dave Otto hosted this session, standing (all 6'7" of him) at the podium to the right (from the audience point of view) of the table.
Sitting at the table on Otto's right (the audience's left) was Cubs Minor League Pitcher of the Year Sean Gallagher, a righty starter who pitched for Peoria last year. He went something like a dozen starts before allowing an earned run. Gallagher's a slim, smiling 20 year old whose longish brown hair was streaked with blond highlights.
Next to Gallagher sat Matt Murton, a chiseled red-headed kid. Murton was besieged by autograph hounds as he entered the room and was besieged again when the session ended; he signed afterward until the long line was gone.
Cubs Farm Director/Latin American Coordinator Oneri Fleita was next to Murton; this was his fifth year as the main attraction at this session. For those who've never seen Fleita, he's a 6'5", athletic guy in his 40s with a round face and a balding head with some short hair.
New scouting director Tim Wilken was seated at the far end of the table (the real far end: at one point after the main Q&A was over, Wilken shifted his weight in his chair, causing one of its legs to go over the edge and Wilken to take a tumble; luckily he was not hurt). Wilken is a pleasant, skinny, white-haired gent of about 60. Otto and Fleita made a point of mentioning Wilken's main qualification for the job: as a scout, crosschecker, and scouting director with Toronto from 1988 to 1999, 12 straight first round draft picks he had selected or recommended made the major leagues, among them Shannon Stewart and Roy Halladay (of the Cubs top picks over the same span of years, only 6 made the majors: Lance Dickson, Doug Glanville, Brooks Kieschnick, Kerry Wood, Jon Garland, and Corey Patterson). Incidentally, if one other guy makes the majors, Wilken's streak will move up to drafting major leaguers with 16 straight first round picks.
The floor was quickly opened for questions, eliciting the following answers:
Top prospect Felix Pie, who missed half of last season with an ankle injury, has recovered and is running well. His injury (a bruise of some kind?) was described as worse than a fracture because it had cut off blood flow in the ankle, slowing down the healing. But he played a little winter ball and should be ready for camp.
Sean Gallagher described his repertoire as fastball, curve, and change. He had thrown a slider in high school, but the Cubs had him drop it in rookie ball to concentrate on developing just 3 pitches instead of 4. He's still working on his change, but late in the year Tom Pratt (his pitching coach) had him start throwing the slider again.
Matt Murton hangs out with Greg Maddux, who tells him how other pitchers will try to work him and get him out. In the dugout, Maddux will say to Murton, "See what the pitcher just did?", and then explain what the pitcher is up to. Matt has yet to be the victim of one of Maddux's well-known practical jokes, but Maddux did give Murton his clubhouse nickname: on Matt's first day with the Cubs, Greg spotted his red hair and called out, "Hey, who's the Orange Guy?" Dave Otto made a point of referring to Murton as "Orange Guy" later in the session.
Let me reinforce something Al posted. I've seen a lot of young players at these Conventions over the years, and Murton was by far the most poised and polished I've ever seen. Mentally, Murton's already got all he'll ever need for the majors.
Double A shortstop Buck Coats's return to the outfield late last year wasn't a vote of no confidence in his ability to learn to play short; rather, he's being groomed as a multi-position guy. Fleita was surprised at how good Coats outfield skills still were (Coats had played some outfield lower in the system).
Fleita credited Double A hitting coach Von Joshua with getting Ronnie Cedeno back on track as a hitter. Back when he was in rookie league, Cedeno won a batting title, and apparently that made him start thinking of himself as a home run hitter. He struggled the next couple of years trying to overpower the ball. Joshua batted him in front of the pitcher and got him to refocus on making contact and using all of the field. This year, Cedeno won Rookie of the Year in the Venezuelan winter league. Fleita added that Cedeno came close to winning the batting title -- and that no rookie has ever won a batting title in that league.
It's not just the Cubs who are hot for Cedeno, either. In a radio interview after he returned from Venezuela, White Sox coach Joey Cora stopped talking about Sox prospects a minute to rave about Cedeno.
Wilken said he'll meet with all of his scouts in Florida next week to get acquainted and start figuring out how to best work with them.
Fleita expects a lot of guys drafted last June to make the Peoria team this year. He mentioned first round pick Mark Pawelek (a lefty pitcher), second rounder Don Veal (another lefty), third rounder Mark Holliman (righty), fourth rounder Dylan Johnston (a shortstop -- hey, why didn't they draft another pitcher?), and possibly twelfth rounder Yusuf Carter (catcher), who is Joe Carter's nephew. Since Fleita didn't mention the other third rounder Mike Billek (righty; the compensation for losing Matt Clement as a free agent) who did pitch for Peoria late in the season, I presume his plan at the moment is to move Billek up to Daytona. Fleita also said Jonathan Mota, a shortstop signed out of Latin America who played for the Boise Hawks last year, is a good candidate to play in Peoria.
Wilken was asked about his approach to drafting more than once and in several different ways. From his answers, we learned that apart from trying to find enough pitching for the minor league staffs, he likes to draft middle infielders because they're usually good athletes who can easily change position. Like a lot of old-time scouts, he had a jab or two for "Moneyball", but conceded he uses stats himself in his scouting. He doesn't have a preference for college or high school players: he picks where he considers the draft strong.
Fleita said Angel Guzman's pitches were all there and his command wasn't too far off. But first he asked everybody to cross both fingers about Guzman's health.
When asked why the Cubs let lefty pitcher Andy Sisco, Fleita said there are certain criteria for putting guys on the 40 man roster and Sisco didn't meet them all. He didn't have all that good a season, and he had some off-field problems. Putting him on the major league roster would have sent the wrong message to the other guys in the minor league system.
Murton said playing in the Arizona Fall League was intended to give him a feel for playing during October (he hopes to do a lot of that with the Cubs!) and to make up some at-bats he missed. After such a long season, on a lot of days he didn't feel like going to the park when he woke up; so that taught him how to get out there and play when his body is reluctant. But Fall League didn't help prepare him for the majors. He'd played in the College World Series for Georgia Tech in front of 25,000 fans; when he made his major league debut in Florida, that was no more intimidating than the College World Series had been. Then he added, "But the College World Series didn't prepare me for my first time at Wrigley Field: that's a lot more intense than Florida!"
Matt said that he still talks a lot to his friend Adam Greenberg (they have the same agent, both played in West Tennessee's outfield last spring, and came up to the Cubs together). Adam's 100% again and waiting for spring training to start.
That prompted Fleita to tell the story of Matt and Adam's call up to the Cubs. Fleita was out of the country when he was told about the callup; but the callup couldn't be announced until after the Cubs' game that night was over. So Fleita called West Tennessee manager Bobby Dickerson and told him to hold those guys out of that night's game in Chattanooga -- but he couldn't tell them why. (Murton interrupted here to say the Diamond Jaxx were playing in Knoxville. Fleita laughed and replied, "Well, like I said, I was out of the country.") Unfortunately, West Tennessee's game was rained out. The Jaxx left for Carolina, leaving Murton and Greenberg alone in a hotel room for hours not knowing what was going on. When Fleita finally called to tell them to get on the plane to Chicago, Greenberg answered and said, "We've been traded."
Second baseman Rich Lewis's bad year was blamed largely on the broken ankle he suffered at the end of 2003. Fleita described Lewis as a tough self-evaluator. Recently, a trainer verified that Lewis has regained some of the speed he lost to his ankle injury.
Fleita still plans to move first base prospect Brian Dopirak to West Tennessee despite his poor season at Daytona last year. He called Dopirak a wonderful guy ("He calls me up a lot, which other guys don't do. Just last month, he rang me and said, "Merry Christmas, dude!"). He said Dopirak, who had hit 39 homers the year before in the smaller parks in the Midwest League, got off to a slow start in the Florida State League's big parks that are used by major league teams for exhibition games. When May came around, Dopirak tried to play catchup for all the hits he didn't get in April; he just got in a cycle of pressing harder and harder, which just made things tougher for him. But he never hung his head, so he should promote.
Fleita's current inclination is to challenge second baseman Eric Patterson with an assignment to West Tennessee: a double promotion, though Patterson actually finished last year with the Diamond Jaxx. Eric played well in the Fall League and should be ready. So Nate Spears, the lefty second baseman the Cubs got from the Orioles for Eric's brother Corey, will probably get assigned to Daytona.
Asked about players who could possibly help this year's big league club, Fleita rattled off Carlos Marmol (righty), Jose Reyes (catcher), Ryan Theriot (shortstop/second baseman), Casey McGehee (third baseman), and Brandon Sing (first baseman/outfielder).
Fleita talked about Marmol as a closer in the making: throwing in relief instead of starting, he adds about 5 mph to his low 90s FB without losing its late life.
Reyes had been a strong candidate for Rookie of the Year in the Dominican winter league, beating out a major league vet for playing time.
Sing's playing in the outfield strictly to find some way to use him on a team that has Derrek Lee at first base, Sing's natural position.
Righty Billy Petrick, recovering from a shoulder operation, should return by June.
Righty Chadd Blasko, who missed last season after a shoulder operation, should break from camp with a team.
Trainer Justin Sharpe runs rehab for all of the injured minor leaguers. More than anything, though, the Cubs are trying to avoid injuries.
Lefty reliever Raul Valdez had a good winter stint, but was shut down in December to have him completely fresh for spring training. Last year, he broke a finger on a comebacker just days before camp began. When he was well, Fleita thought that given his age (27), he ought to be able to handle Iowa. He didn't, so Fleita blames himself for Valdez's bad year. But Valdez could be the wild card in camp, the guy who unexpectedly pitches his way onto the big league club. Fleita added that Valdez has a terrific pickoff move to first.
Hitting coach Richie Zisk will work on tightening outfielder Ryan Harvey's swing at Daytona this year.
Utility player Matt Creighton has been released. He's going to be 27 and Fleita just couldn't see him winning a job on a team, so he let him go now.
Righty Alberto Albuquerque has recovered "100%" from Tommy John surgery and should make the Boise staff this June.
Fleita said he doesn't allow his coaches to see the scouting reports on the minor leaguers: he wants them all the players to be treated as though they have the chance to make the majors.
Buddy Bailey has replaced Grady Little, who got hired by another organization.
Chris Buckley, who worked with Wilken for years in the Toronto system, has been hired by the Cubs as a consultant.
Steve McFarland, who managed the Daytona Cubs last year, also scouts minor leaguers on other teams in Arizona during the spring.
Dave Bialas, the minor league field coordinator, was hired away. Can't read the name of the guy who replaced him, though.
After the session was over, I heard Fleita tell someone else the Patterson deal was tied to the Sosa deal in some unspecified way. Maybe Hendry felt he owed the Orioles something after they took some of Sammy's contract off his hands only to watch Sosa flop.
That's all I can decipher. I hope some of it was interesting to you all.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
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Wow
by priorpwnz on Jan 17, 2006 2:14 AM CST 0 recs
Great job
One guy I'm really rooting for is Theriot. I know he's not ranked above utility infielder but he's a throwback blue collar player that I believe could be a .280 hitter and sparkplug leader in time.
I noticed the hitting instructor at West Tenn last year was promoted to Iowa this year. I have a feeling he'll be a great asset with a number of his guys moving up there this year. Follow the BA of the Iowa team next year.
In summary, it appears that many of the prospects are at the crossroads this year. I could see us moving 5-6 players up the the parent club or being traded for quality veterans.
by tharr on Jan 17, 2006 2:57 AM CST 0 recs
Theriot
by One of Als Pals on
Jan 17, 2006 9:12 AM CST
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Infielders
Eric Patterson, Spears, and a rehabbed Lewis and Theriot could be the inside competitors for the obvious open spot. (Perez is signed through '07 as the super utility guy/spot starter, nothing more PLEASE!) IIRC Lewis (acquired from Atlanta) was being groomed as a utility guy and coincides with the talk about Theriot, and I think Patterson & Spears appear to be slotted for starter roles.
Other notes: Marmol, another flamethrowing reliever, interesting. Blasko, once on the radar, along with Guzman and now Gallagher (seemingly being fast tracked) does that mean that the Cubs can still be aggressive in dealing a few arms to acquire needs at the MLB level?
Finally Murton getting to sit with Maddux regarding the intricates of pitcher/batter confrontations. Maddux must think him worthy and capable to receive such insight. When Greg does retire I sure hope he finds a way on the Cubs coaching staff.
by Ivy Walls on
Jan 23, 2006 8:52 AM CST
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Thanks...
by Al on Jan 17, 2006 4:33 AM CST 0 recs
My pleasure, Al
by One of Als Pals on
Jan 17, 2006 8:44 AM CST
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I am SO glad someone took notes
90% to pass on. Let me add my thanks
by jessica on Jan 17, 2006 10:11 AM CST 0 recs
Since you were there, jessica
by One of Als Pals on
Jan 17, 2006 10:49 AM CST
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Questions etc
about Trib revenues re Cubs budget ( the one where he
answered he had enough money) .
At the Business session I was the one asking about
scalping , ebay, cracking down on Season ticket holders
etc.
Nothing at the farm meeting, Thanks for asking anything
re Maddux ( I pick up every crumb) I should have asked
Murton as follow up to yours, if he played golf, because
if not, his relationship with Maddux will be limited.
One of my favorite Maddux quotes is that he really only
talks to pitchers rather than position players because
with pitchers he can " talk about pitching and golf" but
position players only want to talk about "hitting and
other stuff"
Back to session I do recall Flieta saying that they
might try to shift Spears to 3B to keep him from competing
with Patterson at the same level.(I think that is what he said) I also found it interesting when they confirmed what everyone suspects with PTNL in that in many cases it DEPENDS how the player you trade turns out. If he performs at a certain level you get a better player ( depending on the arrangement of course) which meants I guess that we better root for Van Buren
by jessica on
Jan 17, 2006 11:42 AM CST
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I do remember
by tharr on
Jan 17, 2006 1:42 PM CST
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i actually
Maybe Korey should've talked to Maddux a little bit.
by priorpwnz on
Jan 17, 2006 2:37 PM CST
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I think nearly everyone should just listen to him
and he is happy to share. Here is yet another favorite
anacdote ( since I slacked off on my Maddux anacdote
of the day) from an article about Maddux & Padres
broadcaster ( and ex Cub) Bob Scanlon
The reunion
Scanlan's looking forward to seeing former teammate Greg Maddux in San Diego
tonight, mostly to thank him for all the help Maddux gave him in 1991-92.
"I learned more from him than any other player I ever spent time with, and
the reason I'm able to work in broadcasting today is because of how he
taught me to analyze games,'' Scanlan said. "His brain is a computer, and he
remembers every pitch of every at-bat.
"I remember we used to have meetings to go over scouting reports. Someone
would say, 'How do you pitch this guy?' The room would be silent and finally
(pitching coach) Billy Connors would say, 'Greg?'
"Maddux would say, 'Well, it depends on if it's early or late, if there's
guys on base, if the guy's swinging well, if my stuff is good or bad.'
Everything with him is a situation.
"He's got one of the finest baseball minds ever, and it'd be a shame if
those guys there with the Cubs aren't learning from him.''
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by jessica on
Jan 17, 2006 3:23 PM CST
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Re: Maddux
by cubfan4life on
Jan 17, 2006 9:20 PM CST
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I would love...
I just hope Maddux comes back to baseball somehow because if he doesn't, I will miss him.
by sparkles721 on
Jan 17, 2006 9:32 PM CST
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Maddux
My adoration is nowhere close to yours Jess, forgive me, but nonetheless great deal of respect for Maddog.
by priorpwnz on
Jan 18, 2006 1:12 AM CST
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I quite agree, jessica
by One of Als Pals on
Jan 18, 2006 7:27 AM CST
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Maddux...
If he really does want to stay in the game as a coach, I hope the Cubs make it clear that they want him as their pitching coach.
by Al on
Jan 18, 2006 8:57 AM CST
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Maybe not a Pitching Coach
make a better MANAGER than pitching coach as
we all know he truly "sees" the game like no one else
which goes way beyond pitching. I think he could literally
be unmatched in on field strategy. He also has
a proper mix of being ruthlessly competive and
someone who gets along very well with his teamates.
As to if he wants to coach or manage, I am positive
he has NOT thought about it. He thinks very much in
the moment or at least the season and does really want
to comtemplate what comes after a playing career.
In addition to being a remarkable player, he seems to
have an extraordinarly balanced life. One of the joys
of the last two years has been watching him out on
the field playing with his son Chase before games.
My fellow Maddux fanatic Marty Winn ( Braves fan)
figures Maddux will either coach or open a sports
bar where he can hang out after a day on the golf
course
For now I am just going to enjoy the few YEARS he has
left PLAYING and hope they are all with the Cubs
PS In addition to getting a much needed extra
work outs in the off season, he also has the advantage
of working with one the best pitching coaches every day
( FYI Mike is the better golfer so it evens out)
by jessica on
Jan 18, 2006 10:05 AM CST
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iirc
didn't we already get who we're going to get for van buren?
by tomas21 on
Jan 17, 2006 3:02 PM CST
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Not sure
I am sure someone knows the answer
by jessica on
Jan 17, 2006 3:18 PM CST
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PTBNL trades
by One of Als Pals on
Jan 17, 2006 3:53 PM CST
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Thought we covered this a while ago...
by Al on
Jan 17, 2006 4:12 PM CST
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Correct
DmL
by dmlichte on
Jan 17, 2006 7:31 PM CST
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Thanks!
by airweino on Jan 17, 2006 10:40 AM CST 0 recs
seconded...
by dustyisdonnie on
Jan 17, 2006 3:52 PM CST
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My thanks too...
by sparkles721 on
Jan 17, 2006 4:32 PM CST
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The O's deal
by RobG on Jan 17, 2006 5:49 PM CST 0 recs
one question
However, I was wondering if anyone asked them why in drafting the last few years the cubs seem to place heavy emphasis on left handed pitchers but dont seem to have the same obsession for left handed batters. Look back at the # of top picks spent on lhp's (Sisco, Pawelek, Hagerty, J Jones, Veal)- all 1st or 2nd rd picks. Name me a left handed batter taken in the first three rounds the last several years...the only one I can remember is Reed (a #3).
It would stand to reason that left handed hitters would be as valuable as left handed pitchers but that doesn't seem to be the case (both at the MLB level and in the minors).
by CA Cub Fan on Jan 17, 2006 6:56 PM CST 0 recs
It's really the emphasis on pitchers
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Jan 17, 2006 9:57 PM CST
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