Open Thread: 2006 NLCS, Game 7
Good news!
What's the good news, you're saying?
No matter what -- unless there's a driving rainstorm in New York tonight -- the NLCS is OVER after today. This has got to have been the dullest seven-game series ever.
Cardinals at Mets, 7 pm CT. (Series tied 3-3) TV: Fox
Rob Neyer says Perez is "the worst game seven starter ever". I don't doubt that, but since that link is to an ESPN Insider article, and I don't have Insider, I'll have to take his word for it. (And no, that's not an invitation to post the rest of the article, but if any of you have Insider and want to BRIEFLY summarize it, feel free.)
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I agree.
Go Perez! I like him.
Rob Neyer...
Oliver Perez
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 5:05 PM CDT reply actions
Just passing time till Saturday.
With Suppan on the mound, that mistake won't happen twice. Perez is the worst game 7 starter the Mets could have picked. He's going to tired as the Cards lay off pitches early and take 'em yard in the 5th inning. Perez runs out of pitches and steam real quick, so if LaRussa does his job right, we will be celebrating in Detroit.
by Cardinal Country on Oct 19, 2006 5:05 PM CDT reply actions
Pretty confident
by tommy veryzer on Oct 19, 2006 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
don't think he'll make it
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
"If LaRussa does his job right"
I can't wait until Perez shuts you guys down - and WE will be ones on our way to Detroit!
by Speedywheels on Oct 19, 2006 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
he obviously did something right
by LilLPLancer23 on Oct 19, 2006 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You are a goof!
by DudeVf1 on Oct 20, 2006 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
You're wrong again!!!!
But not until later, I need to go to the gym first.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 5:06 PM CDT reply actions
please not tonight!
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Rebuttal
- I'm going to get Chipotle in a couple hours
- I'm about to head out to the gym in a little bit
- No pad thai today
- I never mixed them. I take my adderall very early in the day and I had one drink last night when I got out of class bc I had a long ass three days.
- More to come.....
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit...
Just another reason why
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Well....
Is that as big as Chicago or New York or LA? No. But it's big.
Omaha is one of the most spread out places in the entire country. It is the most non-car (walking or bike) unfriendly city in the country.
But even so, it would have "only" been a mile. I just didn't want to walk the mile (so I went and played an hour of raquetball instead).
I'd rather be
Walking doesn't bother me, I guess that goes with living in a place like Chicago, New York, Boston, and etc...
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Omaha is the place to be.
I'd also rather be
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
you
by Strickland843 on Oct 19, 2006 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe people
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
also
by Strickland843 on Oct 19, 2006 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
NOT TONIGHT!
The best thing
Please, God-we don't ask for much...........
A baby for Prior!
Here's the money paragraph:
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=neyer_rob&id=2631757
His best showing was in career wins at 79th place.
Interestingly enough...
Mets
If I remember correctly,
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
And the Cubs lost
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
sigh...
There have been only three winner-take-all games in Wrigley Field history: the one you mention above, the one in 2003... and the wild-card playoff game in 1998.
Did you enjoy
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Belliard
Belliard
by scotteboy on Oct 19, 2006 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry, people
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:05 PM CDT reply actions
Shut up, loser.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, jerk.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, right.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You better leave him out of this!!!!!
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Why don't you
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Why
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You're
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to go cry
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Al
It seems like one idea that might work is doing an idea I'm not 100% sold on and trading Barrett, Marshall, and Pie for Vernon Wells, but it would give us a lot of extra cash for this year. We then could sign Loretta for 2B bc he wouldn't be too pricey and he still hits for a good OBP. Other than keeping Blanco, I don't know who our other catcher would be. Molina seems like he'd demand too much, so we could go for someone who's less expensive to platoon. But with our luck one of our powerhitters would go down and we'd be screwed again.
We'd have:
C Blanco/Molina
1B D-Lee
2B Loretta
SS Izturis (gag. I'd rather have Theriot and let Izturis come in if he sucks)
3B A-Ram
LF Murton
CF Wells
RF Jones/platoon for lefties (Cruz, but Restovich if we're in a pinch for cash)
Rotation:
Z
Schmidt
Hill
Suppan
Miller/other young guns
Bullpen:
Eyre
Howry
Weurtz
Prior
Dempster
Marmol
Wood (closer)
Bench:
Molina/Blanco (whoever isn't playing that day)
Theriot
Restovich/Jones (whoever isn't playing that day)
Infield guy
OF Guy
Not sure if the bullpen and bench guys add up or not, but the necessary change(s) could be made.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 8:34 PM CDT reply actions
nice post colossus
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I am...
As far as Prior is concerned, frankly, I'd consider non-tendering him.
Zaun is a FA I believe.
Part of me would much rather keep Barrett and sign Soriano. We could reshuffle the OF if necessary (like moving Murton CF) or just put Soriano at 2B and sign Roberts for OF.
I'd prefer to focus almost entirely on pitching this off season and just get someone with more power for the OF (like Huff, then put him in RF, move Jones to LF, and Murton to CF), plus getting Loretta for 2B and moving Theriot to SS with Mr. 295 Career OBP on the bench. We wouldn't be adding nearly as much power if we got someone like Soriano, Wells, or C-Lee, so we'd more 100% dependent on A-Ram and D-Lee staying healthy, with being more developed and consistant, and Barrett having a bat like this year.
We'd have a lot more cash to go ofter Zito, Schdmit, Matsuzaka, Suppan, or etc... Then we'd have a rotation of:
Z
Zito/Schmidt/Matsuzaka
Hill
Suppan
Miller/young guns
We could trade for Willis too, but like I've said countless times before, we'd most likely have to give up Hill in any deal. We aren't lucky enough to have a deal like Pie, Marshall, and two or three other guys work.
Don't know why I even bother typing this stuff, it's pointless to even discuss. I'll just go back to having a conversation with myself while watching Smallvillle and Real World/Road Rules Challenge on DVR.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
Re: Ouch
by scotteboy on Oct 19, 2006 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
chavez
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 8:44 PM CDT reply actions
forget the book
i don't care if most of you hate both teams but this is game 7, and a great one so far.
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 8:48 PM CDT reply actions
Okay ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 19, 2006 8:48 PM CDT reply actions
I didn't say I forgave them. Never!
Damn those Cardinals. It'll be a short WS, I'm guessing.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 19, 2006 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
has a
speaking of trivia questions, anyone know the only position player to ever get called for a balk during a game?
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if the mets win
well
has a playoff game 7 ever ended early due to rain?
who is the only position player to have a balk called on them during play?
The answer...
What's the answer to the other one? I don't know.
the answer
Had to look this up.
Here's the even weirder thing: Remy had been the Red Sox' regular 2B for several seasons prior to 1984, and had started for the first month of that season.
After that game, he started only THREE more games, pinch-hit in six others, and then retired.
FWIW, the balk was charged to the pitcher, since by the rules pitchers are the only ones who CAN balk.
mor on remy
Now, the umpiring crew that day knew what Jerry had done was illegal. At the start of play all fielders other than the catcher are required to be on fair territory. Jerry was clearly on foul territory. But what the umpires didn't know was exactly how to penalize it. With no other feasible option, the umpires declared a balk.
That ruling rocked the umpiring world. They essentially created a new rule right there on the spot. It caused a grumbling at the highest levels of baseball officiating. Eventually the Director of Baseball Umpire Development at the time, the late Barney Deary, issued a ruling on the play. He declared that any play occurring with a fielder (other than the catcher) on foul territory should be nullified. It should not be ruled a balk.
The idea of nullifying play with less than 8 fielders in fair territory created one of the only, "do-overs," in baseball rules. And it was all because Jerry Remy was trying to be helpful.
the rule now is that the umpire has to ensure that there are 8 position players in fair territroty. if not, whatever play that ensues is considered null and void and replayed. so if murton were to run to the bathroom duriong a pitching change, and the umpire didn't notice it, and then dempster gave up a home run, the home run would be nullified. interesting
No wonder Remy retired.
HOLY COW!
Theriot
DLee
Ramirez
CLee
Jones
Barrett
Izturis
just witnessed one of the greatest plays...
Wow.
All I can say is wow.
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
holy shite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 9:05 PM CDT reply actions
endy chavez
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Endy Chavez
In case anyone was curious...
Go me
absolutely
That was
All hail Endy Chavez!
(Which is the great thing about October. We have no idea who is going to be a hero.)
Considering the circumstances and the situation...
Do you think..
Theriot
DLee
Ramirez
CLee
Jones
Barrett
Izturis
root for the
speaking of the hate list. the worst point in my cubs fan life in terms of rooting for other teams to fail was last year when the white sox had already clinched, and i had to root for roy oswalt and the astros to take out the cardinals for the nl pennant. vomit.
One of the better things about the Sox series
That didn't last long as I read something recently that said the Sox games had slightly higher ratings than the Cubs in 2006? If that's true, that has to be a big decline for the Cubs. That's serious, that costs you ad. money...Maybe this is one of the major factors in McPhail's demise?
by DudeVf1 on Oct 20, 2006 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
that sucked
Have a look at...
If this game goes into extra innings, it's going to be raining moderately hard -- and not stop for hours.
Prediction: they'll play through anything short of a typhoon.
If there's
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking about that
No, they don't...
Only on BCB ..
What
LOL!
Eventually, someone would win. But it'd be fun watching them both play to past the point of exhaustion.
No doubt
Soccer's Golden Goal
Sure
If they really did play
I'm surprised to see you up this late.
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
would I stay up?
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Tonight...
Plus, I don't work on Fridays.
The longest LCS game was this one on October 15, 1986, between the Astros... and Mets. It was one of the greatest postseason games ever. Read the PBP of the 16th inning. After the Mets took a 3-run lead in the top of the inning, Houston came back with two, and had the tying run in scoring position.
Kevin Bass missed hitting a walk-off HR by a few feet, and then struck out, giving the Mets the NL pennant.
The longest LCS game ever was
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
By time of game, yes.
But game six of the 1986 NLCS went sixteen innings. That 2004 game was 14 innings. I should have been more specific.
I'm calling it...
I hate the Cardinals...
Bastards!!!
I hate Suppan
I hate Suppan
Well, I hate him a lot
would you hate him
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
by cubbiejulie on Oct 19, 2006 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to admit
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 9:59 PM CDT reply actions
For $15 mil
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
molina?
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 10:26 PM CDT reply actions
I don't care
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
Watering Hole Alert
That's funny
i had that thing on at work today
by Strickland843 on Oct 19, 2006 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
imagine if it were us...
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Bases chucked...Beltran up...
I say Wainwright induces a flyout though.
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 10:42 PM CDT reply actions
nah, Cards win this...trust me...
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
How does Beltran take that pitch?
Wow...
There's your 100M at work New York. Paralyzed.
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 10:44 PM CDT reply actions
Party
Tim McCarver is having a bad case of dejĂĄ vu right now
i fucking hate timmy mccarver
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 19, 2006 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
okay...off the TV goes...
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 10:45 PM CDT reply actions
I cannot...
The '87 Twins...
I'm mad.
I will definitely be cheering for Leyland's team now. I hate the Cardinals. I hope they get crushed or lose in a very depressing way. Honestly, right now I feel like they are going to win the whole thing, but that's just my gut feeling.
Logically, they can't win because they suck(like the whole NL) and the Tigers have two lefties whom the Cardinals struggle with. I hope Neifi hits a another grand slam into the pole at the new Busch Stadium. Go Neifi!
Maybe I'm just jealous.
by sparkles721 on Oct 19, 2006 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I really hate the Cardinals...
I want 4 games. I want a sweep.
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 10:47 PM CDT reply actions
Wow
Someone
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 10:49 PM CDT reply actions
That's the million dollar question....
Okay.
Considering
We have Doubleday's life papers in the archives. Not once does he even mention baseball.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 19, 2006 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Alexander Cartwright, then.
Don't bother arguing.
OKAY
If a bunt is properly executed there, then the Cardinals most likely walk the next batter to load the bases with one out. Then, the line drive to center probably scores a man from third, and if there is a throw to the plate, the man on second likely goes to third.
So, now you've got a one run game with a man on third with two outs in a one run game, and Wainwirght likely doesn't throw curveball after curveball because if one gets away, the tying run will score from third.
So, Beltran gets fastballs and has a much better chance to get a hit. The whole compexion of the inning changes...all to the advantage of the Mets.
Now PLEASE go away.
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I missed something
There are so many ways that a bunt would have improved the Mets chances in that spot that it is hard to list them all.
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Please stop, you're only embarassing yourself
Bunting most of the time is just a waste of an out. People believe it's useful, just like people believe batting a speedy, Pierre-type first is smart. Research has proven otherwise.
There is plenty of material on the subject available online. I suggest you look some of it up.
And I suggest
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievable
And this is a free message board. If I want to respond to your posts, I'll respond to your posts.
Fine
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
With each post you make
If you want to go on believing that bunts are useful when it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that except in certain circumstances they are just wasted outs, go right ahead.
The only thing
If it makes you feel better to continue to demonstrate this, be my guest. I obviously can't stop you (although I tried).
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You're probably right
The only thing I can keep saying is that you actually take a few minutes to look this up. I bet you'll be surprised at what you find. Until then, it would probably be for the best if you don't question the baseball knowledge of others.
Its unfortunate
Hey Styles,
he attempted
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
For the record
But, I did chastise him a bit for a drive by post, which he agreed he would've been better served to have not made.
If your going to rip me, please at least be accurate.
by jazzman56 on Oct 20, 2006 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
uh-huh
i'll give you the same treatment you give everyone else, you're not worth the energy.
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
by jazzman56 on Oct 20, 2006 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
please go away
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Look
I was merely trying to initiate what I thought could be a potentially interesting discussion of the strategy employed in the bottom of the 9th inning of tonight's 7th game of the NLCS.
Let me first point out to you that I am not only aware of the arguments against bunting, I have studied the expected runs table and can hold a fairly intelligent conversation as to the value and/or weaknesses of those studies and the reasons why they do not definitively settle the issue. I am not ignorant of them at all, and they most assuredly are not without controversy. I just wasn't in the mood to get into a discussion of them tonight. I just wanted to talk about the game, which, after all is what this diary was about.
In short, the utility of the sacrifice bunt is affected by a myriad of factors that are not and cannot be accounted for in the ERTs.
It is generally realized, even by Bill James and the folks at Baseball Prospectus, that the ERTs only serve to analyze baseball strategies in general and not specific situations.
Two of the most important factors are the fact that the tables lump both successful and non-successful sacrifices into one category and the fact that it does not take into account the variable quality of the hitters who come to bat following the sacrifice attempt. They use league averages that do not break down individual components that will effect whether a run gets scored or not.
All of these things were factors in the 9th inning situation last night. 1) The Mets had sitting on the bench someone who may be the best bunter in the NL. The probability that he would successfully execute the sacrifice is extremely high. 2) If the sacrifice had been called, then the lead off hitter, followed by the 2, 3 & 4 hitters were coming up, all of which increases the chances scoring over league averages.
Another issue with the ERTs are that they only account for the probability that a run will be scored. In the game last night, the Mets needed to score two runs in the 9th or the game would be over. An ERT that showed the probability of scoring two runs with men on first and second with no outs versus second and third with one out would have to be used, but it would still lack the data from this specific scenario.
So, while I would be delighted to discuss the strategy of the sacrifice bunt in general with you sometime, it was this specific circumstance that I was interested in this night.
But, I would caution you that unlike some, I do not accept sabremetric conclusions without question. Unfortunately, I have a statistical background in addition to my interest in sports and I can see the holes in some of these conclusions pretty quickly.
In the meantime, if you are interested in learning more about the deficiences of the ERTs that formed the basis of the anti-sacrifice bunt articles on Baseball Prospectus, try this:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/empirical_analy_1.php
by jazzman56 on Oct 20, 2006 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I misconstrued
I'm sorry, I did misconstrue didn't I?
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It matters how?
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You never cease
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither do I...
piniella
by theprognosticator on Oct 21, 2006 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions
regardless of whether or not they should have...
It was incredibly fortunate for the Mets he didn't hit the ball at all and gave them a shot to win it with arguably their best hitter up there.
The thing that still boggles my mind is that Beltran didn't swing. Considering that that curveball had been Wainwright's out pitch that entire inning, if I'm Beltran and down 0-2, I'm looking curveball and fouling off fastballs.
But then again, this is easy to say. I wasn't the one up there with the entire bleeping season on the line and the fate of my team's fortunes resting on my shoulders.
Just how in the hell did Aaron Heilman give up a two run homer to a .216 hitter?
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Hitting Floyd
I can't wait to see how the NY press BBQ's him over this.
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a little Ozzie in him...
by DudeVf1 on Oct 19, 2006 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he needed 2 runs to tie.
After reading the series of posts in response to your question, it appears that your response or belief that the bunt helps answers your own question about why so many teams do this, i.e., they do it because they are incorrect and they don't understand or refuse to understand why they may be incorrect.
Notwithstanding my previous comment, if you want to take long shot gambles in game 7, then go ahead and bunt in that situation. Or Dusty would say we were aggressive...On a wet field, maybe the pitcher throws the ball away, it happens but these are the least likely outcomes.
by DudeVf1 on Oct 19, 2006 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
And the
If you don't bunt them over, then it takes two singles, or an extra base hit, and the way Wainwright has been throwing, that is an awful lot to ask. As it turned out, even one hit was too much to ask.
by jazzman56 on Oct 20, 2006 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay. But that's the worse strategy...
A player could also get a hit instead of sacrificing, then you at least have the bases loaded and 0 outs.
Giving up that out hurts your chances of scoring runs more than moving an extra base helps. It could help score one run and so if that's all you needed in a tie or to tie I'd totally agree with the manager if he bunted.
There are still many people in baseball who refuse to believe that giving up outs in these situations hurts your chance to score more than the move up a base helps. I can only speculate as to why they believe this, but it's possible that they only remember the times that it "works". It also gives managers something to do to break up a slumping team, etc...On the other hand there have been many guys in baseball who understood the error in giving away outs through sacrifice, long before Moneyball, Branch Rickey and Earl Weaver come to mind, but there's many more.
Why do teams use a closer for only one inning or less most of the time now? Why do we use 5 man rotations? For the most part, a large segment of the sport has been resistant to analysis.
Kudos to Randolph for not hurting his team's chances in that situation.
by DudeVf1 on Oct 20, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't agree
Even if one of his studs gets a hit, he still is one run short and loses the game. The odds that two hits will occur in that situation before Wainwright gets the third out are miniscule the way he has been throwing. You bunt the guys over and hope somebody bloops one and that gives you the best chance to win. The real issue here is not about "giving up an out" it is about the odds of getting two hits before three outs are recorded vs one hit before two outs are recorded. The second one is much more likely.
Before last night, Wainwright has been close to unhittable. And while people are crticizing Beltran for taking strike three, if he had swung at that curveball, he wouldn't have been able to hit it anwyay. Not even with a boat oar.
by jazzman56 on Oct 20, 2006 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
So they should have done nothing, just given up.
by DudeVf1 on Oct 21, 2006 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions
ESPN
Have the game moved
by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 19, 2006 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You must be aggressive, dude!
by DudeVf1 on Oct 19, 2006 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Just got back from puking
Life is not good at the moment... go Tigers!
God, I hate the Cardinals!!!
This sucks!!
ESPN just mentioned
well worst WS part 2
2006 Hated Cardinals vs. the team that when we were 5 outs from a world series they lost 119 games who was closer to playing in a world series ... and probably winning answer not US.
Nothing like raising expectations more!!!
Here's a question
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:09 PM CDT reply actions
Ding!
Not that I'm suggesting that will happen, but I'm betting this will be a more competitive series than most are predicting.
by jazzman56 on Oct 19, 2006 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Another Trivia Question.....
Can't remember his name
by Josh Timmers on Oct 19, 2006 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Who managed those A's?
snicker...
Regarding the Neyer quote in Al's post:
Great game, heck of a performance by Wainwright in the 9th. Incredible catch by chavez on Rolen.
Unlike many Cubs fans, I actually like the Cards and their organization. I lived in Central Illinois for a while and it's hard to argue, well it's impossible to argue about the beter organization.
Current GM and ownership has made the Cards competitive and 2 WS appearances.
I enjoyed disliking the Cards more when Harry was still calling the Cubs games.
It's also better for the Cubs to have their bitter rival keep the pressure on to win...The Sox and Cards making the series, there's just no excuse for the Cubs...It confirms for me that the Cubs can turn it around if they make good decisions and get lucky. Despite all of my cynical and critical posts here, I love the Cubs and I truly hope that they will win it all soon. It can be done.
Let's go Cubs, make 2007 our year!
by DudeVf1 on Oct 19, 2006 11:30 PM CDT reply actions
hell...
by theprognosticator on Oct 19, 2006 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is of course
by Peoria Matt on Oct 20, 2006 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
They won't...
by theprognosticator on Oct 21, 2006 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I just want...
Yes, I am narcissistic.
This just maginifies
Unbelievable
SUE, I'M WITH YA!
YUCH!
by TheEman on Oct 20, 2006 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
Life is just
Someone has that in their sig here...
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 20, 2006 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions

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