Well.
I've been watching the Bears shut out the Jets and away from my computer, so I just now learned of the Cubs' signing of Alfonso Soriano to an estimated 8-year, $136 million contract, which would by far be the richest contract in club history.
As I said in the title of this post: Well.
Well, well, well. For all of you who constantly complained that the Cubs never signed a top-tier, big-name free agent, now they have done so.
Is he the RIGHT guy for the slot that needs to be filled? Clearly, he has been signed to lead off and play center field, a position he has never before played. It will be a learning curve for him, but there's spring training to work on that -- and you can bet that at that sort of money, he won't be refusing to play a position, as he did briefly last year with the Nationals.
Soriano has been known as a free swinger throughout his career, though he significantly increased his walk rate in 2006. If he were coming here under Mr. Hackamatic, Dusty Baker, I'd worry about him breaking Adam Dunn's season K record.
But the Cubs have a new batting coach, Gerald Perry, who helps preach patience at the plate, and I don't see any reason why Soriano couldn't continue to do what he did last year. His 2006 splits show that he hit for a better average outside of Washington, and had almost equal power (.561 SLG at home, .558 on the road).
Yes, by year 6 or 7 or 8 of this deal, it'll look like an albatross. But if the Cubs really can shore up the starting pitching, suddenly they have three major power threats (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano) and one minor one (Barrett, if he's not dealt). The lineup's far better than it was a year ago.
Congratulations, Jim Hendry. I think. If nothing else, he just created a big-name buzz for the 2007 Cubs.
UPDATE [2006-11-19 15:29:14 by Al]: Please! I know you're excited. There's a diary started before I got a chance to post, and this main-page post, on Soriano. Let's keep the Soriano talk to those two threads, please, at least for today. Thanks.
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If nothing else...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BTW, SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHANGE THEIR SIGNATURE!
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I stand by mine!
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 19, 2006 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh....
DeROSA!!!
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 19, 2006 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOUUUUUUUU
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no
by cubfan1023 on Nov 19, 2006 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If anything...
Now let's move to Carlos Zambrano.
by MerigoldBowling on Nov 19, 2006 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Z?
by Snake Plissken on Nov 19, 2006 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
by kylejo on Nov 19, 2006 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping.
He's our ace now, and we have to assume he will be for years to come. Even if Prior or Wood makes a miraculous complete recovery, Z's still the fire of this staff.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 big bombshells 2 weeks in a row...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling we get two more guys this week.
It looks like Hendry has decided to just beat the market to the guys he wants (what I was hoping for with Soriano, and so far so good). Instead of risking a bidding war where someone else makes a more attractive offer (Soriano said he maybe wanted to stay on the East Coast), Hendry's just going to offer a huge number and a promise of big things fast.
We are about due for more pitching announcements, though, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's an Igawa bid or a Marquis pickup (not huge, as neither is an ace). There's still too many maybes in the rotation (Z, Hill, Cotts? Prior/Mateo/Marshall/etc). We need at least one more definite. I'd love for it to be a big name (Willis would be a hilarious addition), but will settle for someone like Marquis.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
The Cubs need to spot someone else in leadoff. In house options are Murton, DeRosa, or Theroit. They won't steal many bases, but as long as they get on in fornt of Lee, Ramirez, and Soriano who cares?
My opening day lineup for 2007 (as of now):
LF Murton
2B DeRosa
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
CF Soriano
C Barrett
RF Jones
SS Theroit (i don;t know if he's ever played short)
P Zambrano
That's a potent lineup.
I still want the Cubs to persue Lugo, but with the size of Soriano's cintract, and the need to sign at least one starting pitcher, I don't know.
by Snake Plissken on Nov 19, 2006 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I defer to the poster who said...
Pitching's next.
This signing blows away whatever we thought the limits were for the Cubs and what they may or may not do.
In the words of that crazy spying scientist in those lawnmower commercials:
This...changes everything.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it sure does.
And make no mistake -- Soriano will lead off. He's led off most of his career. I don't see that changing.
If he can match the .351 OBA from 2006, I'll be very, very happy with him.
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, Al.....Me too......
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 19, 2006 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
::cries::
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 19, 2006 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better than a 5 year deal for Pierre...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
by TheBeerBaron on Nov 19, 2006 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most Notably
by cubbybear on Nov 19, 2006 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lead-off
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leadoff
He hit 46 HRs and had 95 RBIs out of the leadoff spot (predominantly) for Washington last season. Those are not leadoff numbers, they're 4-5 numbers. Take those numbers and move him into the 3, 4, or 5 spot. You've got a lot more RBIs.
His OBP last season is much higher than his career norm. Will he fall back on his career norm? Who knows? The point is I'd rather have him hit like that with people on base in front of him. I hope Uncle Lou agrees with me.
by Snake Plissken on Nov 19, 2006 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Self Image
by Ross on Nov 19, 2006 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want deRosa
I would rather put Soriano there and do something like this:
LF-Murton
CF-Soriano
1B-Lee
3B-Ramirez
RF-Jones/ (hopefully) Craig Wilson
C - Barrett
2B - DeRosa
SS - Izturis
Now, if DeRosa comes out in ST and proves he deserves to be a starting second baseman in place of Theriot and that he has the OBP or Power to justify batting him high in the order, then by all means, bat him second. But, I would not be too surprised to see DeRosa lose the 2nd base job to Theriot and see Piniella platoon him in right with Jones, which I would be fine with.
by tal1286 on Nov 19, 2006 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 spot
by Snake Plissken on Nov 19, 2006 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
by SamFels on Nov 19, 2006 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree.
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
by Snake Plissken on Nov 19, 2006 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the obvious reason...
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
does this...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OF
by tbizzle83 on Nov 19, 2006 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is no time...
He was just wondering.
:)
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leader
by Snake Plissken on Nov 19, 2006 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Catcher's often are.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Fine With This
By the way, what's the deal with Theriot? With DeRosa on board now and Izturis signed for another year at $4,150,000, is Theriot now a backup? Or is he trade bait? Or, I hope, will he be given the chance to win the job at 2B still?
by chasfh on Nov 19, 2006 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If The Riot isn't kept as a back up
by TkGoUWGB on Nov 19, 2006 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Theriot is probably IF #5...
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting to note...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sosa
by gauchodirk on Nov 19, 2006 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big head
by Imtrejo on Nov 19, 2006 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's my point
by gauchodirk on Nov 19, 2006 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quiet
by pmenadue on Nov 19, 2006 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great
by cubfan1023 on Nov 19, 2006 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more on soriano...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in DC
What I liked about him most was kind of intangible, but he seemed to play in a different gear than anyone else on the field. He is blazing fast and an aggressive baserunner. He hustles. He smacks line drives around the yard with authority. He hit long, really long, home runs in RFK.
Also I think he got a bad rap for (inexcusably) refusing to play LF when the Nats acquired him. That was bad, but I read that it stemmed from him having no consistency in his life; I believe he left the Dominican as a teenager to play in Japan, then came to America as a SS for the Yankees, then was switched to 2B, then trader to the Rangers, then traded again to DC and asked to play a new position -- I think it was just to much for him. As the season got going many Nats commented on how Alfonso was a leader on the team, a great clubhouse guy, and the hardest worker among them.
I think this is a guy we will like.
by capitol cub on Nov 19, 2006 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
It was a game in Atlanta while I was on trip and they played the Nationals. I was REALLY impressed with him basically becuase it was a nothing game for both teams but Soriano was playing harder thn anyone out there on both sides. We lucked out getting this guy.
by wccubfan on Nov 20, 2006 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget...
by bmeteor on Nov 19, 2006 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But can he hawk Pepsi?
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am concerned about the money
by bringbackthebrownieelf on Nov 19, 2006 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kaplan continues to maintain...
If so, then great deal.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
Once it became apparent that it actually increased his value, he was fine with it.
Soriano will gladly play CF now that he's got the contract. I think he can handle the position as well, at least in Wrigley Field. Dolphin Stadium, Minutemaid Park and Coors Field will be adventures.
by Josh77 on Nov 19, 2006 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Of those three parks...
Houston, indeed, will be an adventure for him.
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston
by gauchodirk on Nov 19, 2006 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say the same thing...
And one thing I DO like is Soriano hitting against Houston pitching with that short porch in LF.
I like that a lot.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Career in Houston so far...
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only centerfielder
by false cognate on Nov 20, 2006 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can'tbelieve it
by mrcubsfan on Nov 19, 2006 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The thing that worries me about his
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very good point...
Luis
by Luis on Nov 19, 2006 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How'd the 03 team finish in walks?
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That depends on...
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Big Papi. n/t
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al
BTW, I guess we won't have to worry about betting on the Cubs ticket sales the first weekend! LOL!!!!
by cubswin on Nov 19, 2006 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Way to go
All the naysayers didnt think you could sign the big one...now get us some arms.
by this old cub on Nov 19, 2006 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ive always despised the red sox/yanks...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is the
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Nov 19, 2006 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel bad.
I don't hate the Yankees because they spend. I hate them because they win a lot and I'm jealous.
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
P-I-T-C-H-I-N-G
D-O-E-S
N-O-T
S-U-C-K
A-N-D/O-R
G-E-T
I-N-J-U-R-E-D
A-L-L
T-H-E
F
I-N-G
T-I-M-E
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i was waiting...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted in the other diaries before
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Nov 19, 2006 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad to see the Cubs make a bold
by teacher tom on Nov 19, 2006 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As you
I am surprised they went 8 years on the deal, interesting to see the deal in detail. Also 8 year deal means Cubs brass wanted him bad.
Any word on pitchers? Meche?
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Nov 19, 2006 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Woo Hoo
by 08Cubs on Nov 19, 2006 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't....
by thekansasian on Nov 19, 2006 3:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by cubsfan2883 on Nov 19, 2006 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be...
We're holding you to it, buddy.
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, escapegoat...
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY!!!
by thekansasian on Nov 19, 2006 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should edit the main post and add that.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by gravedigger on Nov 19, 2006 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Miles on NSBB
I'm told he's here to play right field and definitely NOT center. Murton is said to be "safe" in LF. The plan now is to put Jones in CF and say good luck and godspeed to Juan Pierre. Now if you can trade Jones...
I guess this ends my dream of getting Drew.
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't trust them.
Jones in center? Interesting. Who could we trade Jones to?
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why the hell...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say
by thekansasian on Nov 19, 2006 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily...
In today's market, Jones' contract would NOT seem that expensive.
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would love that so much....
by geetarnwhiskey on Nov 19, 2006 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this trade.
I think the payroll is getting to its limit though. We may only have enough left for pitching and we would have to extend Wells, and Z in spring training.
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Nov 19, 2006 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not hearing
Of course, that could just be posturing, I don't know.
by Josh77 on Nov 19, 2006 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think the number 51 might say otherwise
Who are the Yankees going to get, anyhow? Zito? Schmidt? Both? You know they'll answer the Red Sox.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
god
guys barret is a valuable part of our lineup-- they guy keeps jacque batting 6th hits and hits for power-- after this deal we need pitching
by ksucubbie on Nov 19, 2006 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows...
Luis
Damn.
by Luis on Nov 19, 2006 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't act like that today...
There seems to be no ceiling on what we will spend this offseason right now.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Luis
by Luis on Nov 19, 2006 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed at least
By the way check out my fancy new sig.
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the immortal words of Elvis,
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too late
by StillDreaminOn03 on Nov 19, 2006 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else think...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me...
I'd still take him though, and just hope to be wrong.
by thekansasian on Nov 19, 2006 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
by danimal15 on Nov 19, 2006 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jones
by CubsBall2202 on Nov 19, 2006 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heard
by StillDreaminOn03 on Nov 19, 2006 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Had Miles
Paul Sullivan wrote that Soriano is playing CF. It doesn't make any sense to move Jones to CF when he's having trouble playing RF.
by Josh77 on Nov 19, 2006 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also found it strange that they're moving
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It may be...
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REmember
What goes around comes around.
by Clark Addison on Nov 19, 2006 4:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great News! Some Questions remain However
Now,with today's signing of Soriano, Is there a big trade in the works maybe for some pitching?
The reason why I ask is because it seems Felix Pie might be the odd man out here, especially since Jones is locked up for two more years in Right, Obviously Soriano is in Center (Pie's position) and I wouldnt think about moving Matt Murton at all in Left.
So, perhaps a mid level #2 or #3 starter could be acquired for Pie and some other prospects.
Also, any word on the Gil Meche rumblings?
by Galvan316 on Nov 19, 2006 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we should not give up Pie
think about it
Also where's BlueMike to ridicule the Cubs????
BLUE MIKE!!! WHERE ARE YOU???
by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 19, 2006 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that Pie is not at risk.
And why exactly is it that Pie can't play Right?
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this contract...
by thekansasian on Nov 19, 2006 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've not heard the Cubs mentioned as much...
The Cubs are known to be looking for at the likes of Meche and Marquis, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade for a strong #2/3 pitcher involving one of our lesser bats and some pitching prospects.
The one good thing about the uncertain pitching last year is a lot of teams got a lot of looks at our pitching prospects, and though many of the looks showed a lot of problems, teams always think they can fix those problems.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right now
"The Chicago Cubs will be altering the previous statement on ticket prices. We did not believe that the quality of product on the field would increase from the 06 season, and did not want to face a angry hoard weilding torches by increasing prices. However, completely by accident, a quality free agent was signed and we now feel safe. So all seat prices will now increase 15%, season ticket holders will recieve a revised invoice shortly.
Thanks and Go Cubs"
by flyball on Nov 19, 2006 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
More proof the market is crazy...
That's $4.5 million a year for a guy who's about in the same ballpark as a pitcher as Bob Howry.
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i wonder how much id get in this market...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this just in...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to do some serious research.
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 4:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say
I'm thinking trades here.
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From a poster on NSBB
The score is reporting that the deal is for 6/mid 90's guaranteed. The 7th and 8th year are options, not disclosed on who's options they are and after the 5th year his no trade clause is no more..Great signing
I hope this is true. This is much, much better than just 8/135. Still too much to pay for someone of his caliber but not as crazy as before.
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Preferred line-up...
- Murton - LF
- Barrett - C
- Lee - 1B
- Soriano - CF
- Ramirez - 3B
- Jones - RF
- DeRosa - 2B
- Izturis - SS
DmL
by dmlichte on Nov 19, 2006 4:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i guess...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't
by danimal15 on Nov 19, 2006 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive stuff
Soriano did just fine in left. He wasn't outstanding, but he wasn't a joke, either. He actually picked up about 8 more outs than expected. He was probably better in left than he would have been at second. However, Matt Murton is better.
Murton was 8th defensively among LFers, basically average. That's what I figured, some people don't give him much credit defensively. He is far from spectacular but he has decent range and makes all the routine plays.
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've thought that about Murton all year.
I think his hitting could get better, too.
Unless he ends up in a really good trade for pitching, I'd like to see him stay.
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fun day to be a cubs fan.....
by BillHoldenFan on Nov 19, 2006 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Soriano-2B
The Yankees have been rumored to be interested in Jones, especially with Sheffield gone now. Don't know what we'd trade for though....
Putting Soriano at 2B would allow DeRosa to be a strong option off of the bench to spell A-Ram, Soriano, OF, etc.
Thoughts? I'm sure some will say we didn't spend $4M+/yr on a bench player-but Lou did say he wanted a strong bench.
by jballgame on Nov 19, 2006 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
its clear...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so
by gravedigger on Nov 19, 2006 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Lou on the line with Kaplan:
Soriano also is likely to play a corner OF spot. Seems Bruce Miles nailed that one.
Sounds like we're still in the market for a CF.
Also said DeRosa would play at 2B for now, but would also be around the diamond as well as the season progressed. Sounds like Theriot will get plenty of PT.
Sounds like Murton is gone.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So then...
Anybody?
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is:
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, Ohman and Murton
Not bad. I do hate to see Murton go, but...
So then we need a CF...
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also added this:
"I'm even more excited right now, because I know of a few other things in the pipeline that should be coming along here shortly."
Said pitching would be next.
And I reiterate, Cubs still in the market for a CF.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dear lord...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Jim Hendry, if you are reading this, I'd like to say one thing to you that comes from deep within my heart--NOW, GO GET SOME PITCHING!!!
by cubbyblue137 on Nov 19, 2006 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
God was banned from baseball...
Also, when he hit, the balls tended to carry too far, and there was some confusion as to whether the play was over if the ball left the atmosphere.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he was found to be involved...
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would you say
by NittanyCub on Nov 19, 2006 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope...
by gravedigger on Nov 19, 2006 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you, mfarrell
by NittanyCub on Nov 19, 2006 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Murton
by sue369 on Nov 19, 2006 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Murton NEEDS to be in LF
by cubsfan2883 on Nov 19, 2006 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you believe Miles
by tharr on Nov 19, 2006 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Things are
Where are you Mike63? Crow doesn't taste very well does it?
by sue369 on Nov 19, 2006 5:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
I think the news just hasn't made it all the way up to his pedestal though. It is a long way up.
by gravedigger on Nov 19, 2006 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm astonished
Let's hope he continues his most excellent off-season moves by NOT dealing for Drew and getting solid starter pitching.
I can imagine the hero's welcome Hendry is going receive at the Convention if he keeps this up!
by JFCubFan on Nov 19, 2006 5:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bleh...
Luis
by Luis on Nov 19, 2006 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not elite??
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
Once.
How many times has he had an OBP over .340?
Once.
Soriano's stats in Texas were massively inflated by the ballpark. Check out the home/road splits there.
Brady Anderson hit 50 HRs once. He never came close again.
Adrian Beltre hit 48 HRs once.
Whenever I point this out, someone says "Soriano isn't like Beltre" but that's just an assertion. They never say why--they think wishing makes it so.
I think we're paying through the nose for a career year the Nationals got to enjoy. But damn, I've been wrong before and I hope I'm wrong again.
by Josh77 on Nov 19, 2006 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we will all hope with you.
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well,
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Nov 19, 2006 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOT Elite????
Unbelievable.
by BeerCub on Nov 19, 2006 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he repeats his 2006 numbers
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose this is a good thing......
No way the Cubs will land Johan Santana :)
Anyway, good move and good contract, 'IF' the 7th and 8th years are option years.
by cubbyblue137 on Nov 19, 2006 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does someone
by sue369 on Nov 19, 2006 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
COTTS! is all yours sue...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really??
by sue369 on Nov 19, 2006 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I have a baseball story to share. A family memeber is a teacher in Des Moines. She and her husband just bought Casey and Abby Blakes house in Indianola, IA. She asked Casey if he would come to her school and read to some of her classes. He did and stayed 2 hours signing autographs for all the 5th graders. His wife Abby is a true blue Cubs fan.
by sue369 on Nov 19, 2006 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool story...
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
by Jesse Guam on Nov 19, 2006 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...there are no rules per se...
The best thing to do might be to wait and if Pagan makes the team next year, upon the announcement, change your sig.
After all Rothschild was retained. So if Pagan is retained, there you go.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once...
I wish he and everyone was healthy. Then we might even have a surplus of pitchers. Get well soon, Prior!
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More from Rotoworld
At least they're trying him at the right position. Having him hit leadoff doesn't maximize his value, but it's what he prefers and it probably doesn't make much difference. The Cubs could be looking at a lineup of: CF Soriano, 2B Mark DeRosa, 1B Derrek Lee, 3B Aramis Ramirez, RF Jacque Jones, C Michael Barrett, LF Matt Murton and SS Cesar Izturis. It's a group that should contend if the Cubs spend about $15 million-$20 million per year to address their rotation. If they make the mistake of trading Barrett because they think they have enough offense without him, that would hurt their chances. Barrett has an 843 OPS to Soriano's 848 mark the last three years.
by VS on Nov 19, 2006 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just another reason...
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/street_fighter_blanka.jpg
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by danimal15 on Nov 19, 2006 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie--then Colvin or someone else in OF
However, this might not last forever...with Pie about a year away, Soriano (depending on how he does in CF) could shift back to LF or 2B in another year or two...
He's a versatile enough talent and ought to be for that kinda money!!
Jones probably won't resign or even last 2 full years and Murton might not be long-term LF...I was NOT impressed with his defense/arm esp...if he hits 20+ HR however and keeps his on-base pctg. up there, could be a keeper.
The biggest problem with lineup is so right-sided, but with Milwaukee, Pitt and some other teams in league having lotta lefty starters, it might not be so bad...
Pagan is a sleepr as bench/role player like his speed occasional power; could blossom if ever gets a chance to play regularly (an injury for example). Their other spare OF is DeRosa I guess and maybe (I hate to mention) Bynum.
by writerinwrigley on Nov 19, 2006 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I trust...
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that happens...
Or actually, conditionally thrilled on the condition that Bynum has been unconditionally released.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE STEP UP...
Or else I'll just add him next to PINIELLA! for mine.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think someone did already...
by Al on Nov 19, 2006 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I just want to know
by rlpete on Nov 19, 2006 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Welll....
by BeerCub on Nov 19, 2006 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Felix
Plus, now that we have added a big offensive player in Soriano, we won't need as much offensive production from Pie (in his rookie season, I will be that Pie will put up similar offensive metrics as Juan Pierre anyway) and he can hit at the bottom of the line-up (having Soriano lead-off also hopefully ends the idea of having Pie lead off).
Pie in CF makes Jacque Jones part of a possible trade that could bring in a good starting pitcher (trading Jones doesn't seem so impossible now with him coming off of a good season and with only two years left on a reasonable contract).
by Romero on Nov 19, 2006 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Soriano's #
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Nov 19, 2006 6:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And if someone had told you....
by BeerCub on Nov 19, 2006 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hot Stove Cubbies
Sounds WAY far fetched to me, but I can't find Hot Stove Cubbies. Assuming this is a joke????
Fun to think about though......then we trade Jacque for pitching and sign a lower tier pitcher.
by jballgame on Nov 19, 2006 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
holy crap...
by dtpollitt on Nov 19, 2006 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Drew rumor
by Whitebacon on Nov 20, 2006 3:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOWSA
I got off my flight from KC, got in the car, snapped on the radio and heard "sssss sign Alfonso Soriano to an 8-year deal. . ."
So we spent the next five minutes going "What? Who signed him? They didn't say 'Cubs,' did they? No way, there's no way Hendry would give him 8 years. . . " Yada yada yada.
Finally got the whole thing after the commercial break when Koz and Waddle started talking about it again.
I don't know what to make of this. I'm still processing.
At the very least, this is one more day when I'm not completely embarrassed by my sig line.
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I probably should add
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When did you change your sig line?
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about Julie.
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimbo just needed some love
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Westbrook ?
Who would the Cubs send to Cleveland
if a deal took place ??
by quarryfan on Nov 19, 2006 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's all spec at this point...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jones/Ohman
Toss in Guzman.
phat
by phatass on Nov 19, 2006 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yey...
by Chitown Mojo on Nov 19, 2006 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can the season start tomorrow?
"NO."
Sorry.
I tried.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh...
Kissinger.
by Chitown Mojo on Nov 19, 2006 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John McDonough
by sue369 on Nov 19, 2006 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MCDONOUGH!
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD Drew/Zito/Westbrook
http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/
Take it for what it's worth. We'll see if it's true (Drew) tomorrow I guess.
I would think others would be reporting this.....
by jballgame on Nov 19, 2006 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here's my opinion of what that rumor is worth:
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jewels?!?!?!?!!?
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like I say this a lot these days
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me?
Or both?
I'm thinking at least me.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all you.
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so confused...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to apologize
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me of
Gabriel: Homer, your problem is quite simple. You're a
drunken, childish buffoon.
Homer: Which is society's fault because ...
Gabriel: It's your fault, Homer....
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's feminine
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I realized that
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you at least...
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it really does bug you
But, if I stopped doing something just bc it bugged a total stranger from the Internet, that would be a very effecient way to go about things. So, I shouldn't stop.
Sorry, freckles.
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, whatever.
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Be your own man
by nextyearcub on Nov 20, 2006 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
I can believe Zito is telling the Cubs he'd be willing to pitch for us. That doesn't mean he's close to signing or that he'd take less to sign with us. He just wants as many options as possible.
by Josh77 on Nov 19, 2006 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs reported they offered...
by wicubfan on Nov 19, 2006 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
45 home runs!
HOORAY!
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's still
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait til next year :)
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Nov 19, 2006 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved
Luckily, he's playing the outfield for us and not second base. I hope Piniella comes to his senses and realizes he's got the most value in center field.
by Josh77 on Nov 19, 2006 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they have no plans
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Nov 19, 2006 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
by cubbiejulie on Nov 19, 2006 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The guy from Iceland...
(to be clear for the literalists, I know he's not from Iceland, it just looks Icelandish to me, which probably makes me a jerk...)
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You always crack me up
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Faith plus 1 on Nov 20, 2006 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they all want to be on the Cubs team that...
How much you want to bet that A-Rod is on the phone to Lou begging him to get him to Chicago ASAP?
The Cubs are apparently going to spend madly, and the Soriano contract is mad given his age and well, the likelihood that he never puts up another year close to 2006 again? But if the Cubs are finally going to blow it out, in order to fetch that huge sale price, then don't stop now--we still need 2 legitimate starters, keep the bank vault open, baby and extend Z NOW!!!!!!
by DudeVf1 on Nov 19, 2006 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think if the A-Rod trade happened...
People in Chicago would all be checking into hospitals asking for hearing and eye exams, just to be sure.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
already said it but...
...way to prove 'em wrong Jimbo!!! :)
by ryno4ever on Nov 19, 2006 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mixed emotions
But beyond that, the first three or four years should be a lot of fun.
Now bring on Westbrook and Meche! And don't give up on Wells!
by JDay on Nov 19, 2006 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is this taken?
by thekansasian on Nov 19, 2006 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
by gravedigger on Nov 19, 2006 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is taken.
If Felix comes up to play I want his name too...PIE!
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing how much of a lark this is...
I'll need to keep an eye on the Igawa developments.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on
Hey, I think your karma just ran over my dogma!
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go with a placeholder.
Would it be too optimistic to put 'CY YOUNG'S CLONE!!!"?
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I
by flyball on Nov 20, 2006 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those are taken...
And I believe there will be plenty more names before this bizarro offseason is over.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Cubfaninca.....
Change his sig to SORIANO!
That of course after 3 months of reading his sig as...
FORGET SORIANO, ZITO, MATSAUZUKA AND SCHMIDT, IT'S MORE LIKE WOOD, EATON and A BACKUP INSTEAD!
I noticed he's not around tonight. And of course, Mike63 who said we're just going to sign Cliff Floyd.....
Go Jim Spendry. Let's go get a pitcher.
by yahoodi on Nov 19, 2006 7:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe somebody can use...
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by gravedigger on Nov 19, 2006 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His sig was GET SORIANO!
As it stands. He hasn't been here all day. Smo got it.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm......
by BillHoldenFan on Nov 19, 2006 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What do you think
by Chitown Mojo on Nov 19, 2006 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You have to get permission from Jules...
I think she deserves to decide what happens to it.
And don't anybody start a PINIELLAPHANT! either.
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If these sigs...
by sparkles721 on Nov 19, 2006 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why Hendry has to keep...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it is...
I know they might not be as fun as the others, but they all deserve a nice home and to be loved.
So please, pick up the phone, it's just eleven cents a day...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
by Foley on Nov 19, 2006 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now
by Foley on Nov 19, 2006 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's doomed...
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think...
by BackInBlue on Nov 19, 2006 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please report to roll call!
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Julie...
by Chitown Mojo on Nov 19, 2006 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Darn it...
by Chitown Mojo on Nov 19, 2006 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're more than welcome
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like GREAT SUCCESS!
by theprognosticator on Nov 19, 2006 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
by Chitown Mojo on Nov 19, 2006 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Al-Time to redo your list of 100 all-time
by SonnyJ9 on Nov 19, 2006 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep Murton
If Hendry could somehow add Drew and Zito I would be ecstatic. I still don't think it will happen but right now I'm not giving up on anything after what's already happened. Hendry has proven that. And just for the record I'd like to say that I was one of the few that hadn't give up on Hendry quite yet.
Trade Jones and Eyre/Ohman for Westbrook, throw in a young guy if necessary. I'll even say that Meche/Lilly/Padilla, at the right price, aren't that bad of options now that we have an offense worthy of mentioning.
I'm still not a big Soriano fan but now that he's here I'll back off of the "overrated" talk and support him and hope he does well. I still think Drew is a better investment but Soriano does add talent and raise the level of play so I'm happy that he's here. Way overpaid but we can deal with the backend of his contract when the time comes.
I'm glad that the Cubs are finally spending money like they should be. They are a high revenue team and are acting like it. Let's hope Jim addresses the pitching in the same way he has addressed the offense.
I could go on but I'll stop here. Things are looking up, let's hope there is more good news to come.
by pageian on Nov 19, 2006 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If
Luis
by Luis on Nov 19, 2006 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching is the Target....
by Imtrejo on Nov 19, 2006 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Poetry #3
The Cubs land Soriano?
Cannot be MY team.
Not my grandmother's men-in-blue. God awfully long contract, however. Yippee! Now it's time for some pitching, Hendry!
by Littlerock Rynofan on Nov 19, 2006 8:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
SWEET JIM!!
Apparently "overpaying" DeRosa didn't block the signing of Sori. So glad to see McFail gone.
by CubFaninCA on Nov 19, 2006 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll predict
by Matt Allison on Nov 19, 2006 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
soriano
by CubsBall2202 on Nov 19, 2006 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piniella
by Matt Allison on Nov 19, 2006 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Center Field - an admittedly wacky idea.....
Atlanta is definitely needed to retool after their pretty amazing 14-year playoff run. Andruw Jones been around forever but he is only 29 years old and already a NINE-time Gold Glove. And he's a Scott Boras client, and Hendry and Boras actually get along.
Boras has said that Jones is not going to waive his no trade clause and play out 2007 in Atlanta, but I can't imagine that the Braves will want to lose him for nothing. If the Cubs can get Jones to agree to a deal, I could see them making the Braves take Jacque Jones and Cesar Izturis' deals along with Pie and a young pitcher or two.
Jones only had 4 assists last year, but that's because, like Dave Winfield and Roberto Clemente before him, nobody is stupid enough to run on his arm any more. He had 48 assists in his first three full years with the Braves. He's been a very consistent hitter for the last five years.
He'd probably have to get the same 8/136 contract as Soriano... or maybe he'd be wiling to take 4/68 with the same kind of opt-out deal that Ramirez had for after the 2008 season.
by Invalid User on Nov 19, 2006 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wacky is right.....
by BillHoldenFan on Nov 19, 2006 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
That is the dumbest thing I've heard since BlueMike said Crapituris is going to be a 2007 All-Star and Gold Glove winner.
No way in hell would that package do it.
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, Jones has the no-trade clause
It's not like Atlanta can shop him on the open market, if he's going to insist on just playing 2007 in Atlanta and leave for nothing... IF Jones wants to come to Chicago and spent the next 4-5 years in center field, and the Braves get nothing for delaying that for a year, somebody in Atlanta would look pretty stupid.
by Invalid User on Nov 19, 2006 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I'm not even going to bother coming up with a package from us that might work bc the notion of getting Jones is nothing more than wishful thinking.
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, heres how it goes...
5 time all star
4th 40/40 man in history
Alfonso got... 136 million over 8 years
5th largest contract in MLB History
Umm, even? who knows, while in wrigley he could go 40/40 again...
by LilLPLancer23 on Nov 19, 2006 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Someone else has probably already mentioned it...
But between Matsuzaka (51 million, 12 million more than next bid) and now this (previous estimates were 7 years (maybe 6) for 100-120 million), we're seeing a ridiculous bit of inflation in contacts this year. The Ramirez one was tame in comparison.
Not complaining (I like the addition of Soriano), but merely thinking it's just more fuel for the fires burning in cities where the whole payroll is like 40 million.
So, is Drew off the table? Lugo? Wells (surely)? Does Hendry now pick up 2 middle of the rotation guys, or still aim high?
I guess I'll go read some comments and find out.
This is exciting. I hoped the Cubs would blow him away and prevent a bidding war. Here's to a happy and even better Soriano in Wrigley.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The RedSox posting $50M is the poster child
I think Kenny Williams summed up that crowd's position earlier in the week when he joked that he'd rather post one of his starting pitchers than trade him.
I think Soriano's 6th year is not going to look that outrageous six years from now. Too much for that year's likely performance, yes, but not outrageously .
by Invalid User on Nov 19, 2006 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I'm still in denial about the Cubs pulling the trigger on a major free agent signing. I guess that trigger is on a .357 magnum and not a popgun after all.
Yes,this changes everything. One small point: we are now so right-handed in the batting order we really can't afford to dump Jones, and I sure don't want us to dump Murton. This leaves a problem in filling the outfield unless those two platoon in left and we bring in an outfielder with a genuine throwing arm to play right. The other option is Felix Pie for center and shift Soriano and his good arm to right.
Pitching. Starting pitching is still our achilles heel. There is little of value in the free agent market except for Zito, but if we can trade for a starter or two without ruining the bullpen, I say go for it. I really think we are a #2 starter away from blowing out the opposition in the NL central.
Speaking of the opposition, I haven't seen a comment from any of the Cardinal, Astro, or Brewer bloggers on any oof the Cubs blogs tonight. Looks like Hendry shut them up right proper.
by Mordecai Brown on Nov 19, 2006 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I say Murton is trade bait, (sorry Sparkles.)
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Nov 19, 2006 10:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rack One Up...
by Goat Whisperer on Nov 19, 2006 10:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know you're
report to roll call with your sig line!
by smwojoz on Nov 19, 2006 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm here...
by theprognosticator on Nov 20, 2006 2:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I didn't read all the posts
Send Murton & one of the young pitchers (pick one) to the Tribe. (They won't take Jones. That contract is bloated.)
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Nov 19, 2006 10:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You mean Jacque Jones?
Jones would be easy to move at this point, I'd think. Especially after he had a pretty decent year last year (other than the throwing problems and a few base-running gaffes).
Remember, we just paid a 31-year-old utility player 4.3 million per. Sorry to lead of with sarcasm, SDSJM, but I have to imagine there are teams out there who would like have Jones's contract with only two years remaining.
by jcub on Nov 20, 2006 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Still Thinking...
On a slightly more serious note, as a kid (I was born there) I was a Yankees fan. I remembered when they won the '77 WS and Reggie Jackson hit 3 HR to win it. Noticed looking at the box score for that Game Six: playin LF for the Dodgers - Dusty Baker. playing LF for the Yanks - Lou Piniella. Little did they know what awaited them 26 and 30 yrs later, respectively.
Anyway, this is my 2 cents on the Cubs lineup:
2b - The Riot
rf - Murton
Cf - Soriano
1b - D Lee
3b - A Ram
lf - Garciapparra (wants to come back & make good)
ss - tejada (in trade for some of below players)
c - blanco (takes over everyday, we trade barrett)
we'll trade barret, jones, cedeno, izturis, pie...
starting rotation
p - zambrano
p - hill
p - wade miller -- huge comeback, wins 15
p - prior - gets it together, wins 18
p - glavine or clemens (got a feeling here on one of the old guys coming in to save the day)
i also feel it is possible Dontrelle will come back somehow in some great act of karma
finally, i am thrilled about soriano, and having a 40/40 man in the lineup. perhaps with a few different moves, we can match this team: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SDP/1980.shtml as the only one in history with 3 men with 50+ SB's.
by nervousCUBlover on Nov 19, 2006 10:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Have you been smoking crack?
by colossus on Nov 19, 2006 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Nov 19, 2006 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's with the post that
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Nov 19, 2006 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pinella has Soriano LEADING OFF...
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Nov 19, 2006 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
holy shit
Hendry's head might be officially out of his ass
unless he doesn't get any pitching
Bravo Jim
"Well, well, well. For all of you who constantly complained that the Cubs never signed a top-tier, big-name free agent, now they have done so."
only took how long? well deserved criticism.
by mike b on Nov 19, 2006 10:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
IF the Indians take Jones....
by cubbiematt12 on Nov 19, 2006 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's my preference.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 19, 2006 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
However...
by KChiCubs on Nov 19, 2006 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How I heard about Soriano........
At least twice a year, friends and i fly (Chicago from Orlando) in the morning, go to wrigley, and fly home that night. So why should things be different for the Bears...... So there i am today in the men's room at Giants Stadium in the Meadowlands... about mid 3rd Q (right after Bradley's TD) AND i hear some drunk bears fan say, "We signed Soriano." Confused.. i walked away, thinking the bears?? what??? As i returned to my seat, my friend had his blackberry out and confirmed it!
It was an awesome day for chicago fans! Let's lock up a pitcher and start the season!!!
Oh, and JETS fans... J... E... T... S... SUCKS! SUCKS! SUCKS! (I shouldn't be surprised, most Jets fans are Mets fans!!!)
by ericrung on Nov 20, 2006 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was watching
What is even more stunning was how rapid these signing have been coming now.
My new signature is:
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!
by amaru on Nov 20, 2006 1:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The question now
Where can I buy my Cubbie Soriano jersey?
by Faith plus 1 on Nov 20, 2006 1:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to Jim Hendry, John McD, and Lou!
let's all help TribCo replenish their cash wheelbarrow out of the dusty vault (no pun intended) by buying two Tribs tomorrow, while we listen religiously all week to WGN radio, simultaneously watch WGN TV, CLTV, plus I almost forgot--the Trib's share of ComCast!
If players get paid in pre-Depession era gold coins and Titanic-era silver certificates, does this reduce the TribCo's actual inflated dollar offerings of today?
I actually thought I heard some underground excavation at Wrigley Field today, with Wells Fargo trucks later spotted backing up to the new CashCow Bleachers (BudLight just got outbid and replaced on naming rights).
Please light candles, say Novenas, or whatever prayers you know to bring health and well-being to the entire 2007 Cubs!
More Hendry $$$ for two good starters,
prayers,
and a million BELIEVE bracelets =
Cubs World Series Champs of 2007!
really nice;
but,
beating the Century deadline...
in my lifetime...
PRICELESS!
by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Nov 20, 2006 2:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Hendry....
Next up....Jason Marquis....
And could someone explain to me why you would bat one of your potential home run leaders at lead off?
by Peoria Matt on Nov 20, 2006 6:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because he's also one of your steal leaders.
And he can still hit a leadoff homerun.
The Red Sox also had some pop leading off in Damon (granted, no pitcher in front of him).
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 20, 2006 6:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
glorious
other thoughts: soriano can potentially put up similar numbers to a-rod at 8 MM less per year, how thankful i am that we didn't get dragged into this matsuzaka business, and how awesome our derosa ramirez lee soriano murton lineup will look next year!
by dholl on Nov 20, 2006 6:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Guys, I couldn't sleep last night.
Note to Jim Hendry: Thanks for the signing Jim! Next time, let's shoot for a Saturday night! lol
No, seriously, this is awsome. One year ago, if someone would have told me J.H. sign a player to this kind of contract, I would have fallen over laughing. Before this, anything over 5 years seemed out of the question. And $136 MM?? Way to go, Jim! This has been a dream start to an offseason. I just can't wait to see what's next!
by Mark H on Nov 20, 2006 7:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Soriano Spelled backwords is
by Scott G F on Nov 20, 2006 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
worried.
by ERCG on Nov 20, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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