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The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #59 Carlos Zambrano


This photo was chosen from among four selections I sent to sparkles721, BCB's #1 Z fan. I felt she should be the one to choose his best pose to use as part of this profile -- and this captures him perfectly, I think.

Well he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
Excitable boy, they all said
And he rubbed the pot roast all over his chest
Excitable boy, they all said
Well he's just an excitable boy...
-- Warren Zevon, "Excitable Boy"

Rubbing pot roast on his chest is about the only thing the very, very excitable Carlos Zambrano hasn't done on the pitcher's mound.

I'm exaggerating here, of course. Z's excitable nature, his histrionics on the mound, his clear passion for playing baseball, are all things that make him the exciting player to watch, the guy we all love, the pitcher who's already, at age 25, a dominant force in the major leagues.

Carlos was born June 1, 1981 in Puerto Cabello, Venezuela. Look at that birth date and realize that there are players born on or around that time who are still toiling away in the minor leagues, having not made any impact in major league baseball, or perhaps not even having played a single game in the majors. For an excellent example of this, you need go no further than the Cubs' own 40-man roster, where you will find the name of Clay Rapada, recently added; many people, including many of you, think Rapada has talent (and I'd agree), and might someday become a good major league reliever.

Rapada was born March 9, 1981 -- he is three months older than Z, and has never thrown a major league pitch.

In fact, when Z made his major league debut, starting the second game of a doubleheader against the Brewers on August 20, 2001, he was the first player in the major leagues to have been born in the 1980's; he was only a couple of months past his 20th birthday. That debut was, as was Kerry Wood's, less than auspicious; he gave up four hits and four walks in four innings, including a three-run homer to Kevin Brown (this Kevin Brown, not the pitcher), and Don Baylor mercifully pulled him after he allowed a single, walk, stolen base and wild pitch to start the fifth inning.

I had seen Z throw in spring training that year and had some spirited debates on the old Cubs Usenet newsgroup (which some of you might remember) about whether Z might be better suited to relief pitching. In fact, had he taken that track, he might well have become an elite closer. He certainly has the stuff and the mound presence and the right approach to be one.

But I think we're all glad that he didn't, and that he was quickly able to harness his considerable talent as a starting pitcher. By the middle of the 2002 season, a lost year for the Cubs, Z was in the starting rotation to stay, and gained confidence as the season went on, finishing with only a 4-8 record, but a respectable 3.66 ERA.

Z, along with the rest of the Cubs, burst onto the national scene in 2003; at age 22 he went 13-11 for the Central Division champions, with 168 strikeouts and a 3.11 ERA. His hitting prowess began to get noticed as well; on July 25, his two-run homer in Houston off his future teammate Wade Miller tied up a game that the Cubs eventually won 5-3. During the postseason, we began to see some of the emotions that Z has become noted for; in game five of the NLCS, the Cubs' first shot at winning that series, Z seemed overwrought and had to be yanked after struggling through five innings, though it's doubtful anyone could have matched Josh Beckett's two-hitter that day.

In the last three seasons Z has established himself as one of the top starting pitchers in the major leagues, winning sixteen, fourteen and sixteen games, and being durable as well (throwing 209, 223 and 214 innings), although he has chronic back problems that require careful monitoring, and during the 2005 season he briefly had a minor elbow problem supposedly caused by too much time spent on the computer emailing his brother in Venezuela. We can laugh at this now because it turned out to be nothing serious.

Z has continued contributing with his bat, too; his six home runs in 2006 tied the club record for home runs by a pitcher (Ferguson Jenkins, 1971), and is the second-most hit by any pitcher in a season since 1955 (Earl Wilson, Mike Hampton and Don Drysdale all hit seven in a season).

I think all of us love the passion Z brings to the mound every start, not to mention his considerable talent. If he can channel that emotion into his pitching and not let it get the best of him, there's no telling the greatness to which he can ascend. The Cubs are likely to try to sign him to a long-term contract extension before the 2007 season begins, and I'm all for that. If he matches his 2006 strikeout total of 210 in 2007, he'll move up to tenth on the all-time Cub list, one behind Bob Rush. He could, if he stays with the Cubs and continues to put up the sort of numbers he already has over several more seasons, wind up as the greatest pitcher in club history. Now that would be worth showing some emotion about!

Carlos Zambrano's career stats at baseball-reference.com

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Nice job
I enjoyed your write-up of Carlos immensely. You captured him very well. He's probably my favorite player on the Cubs right now, and it's because of the emotion he shows playing the game. He's a winner, with a great attitude. Yes, he needs to do a better job harnessing his emotions, because sometimes they have a way of interfering with his concentration on the mound. Hopefully, he'll mature as he gets older - recall that Greg Maddux had the same problem when he was a youngster and he's cooled off a lot. Zambrano has the chance (if the Cubs get smart and sign him to a long-term deal) to be a force with the team for the next 10 years, and to put together one of the finest pitching records in recent team history. Let's hope his back doesn't continue giving him trouble.

by danimal15 on Dec 22, 2006 9:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The bat over the knee...
...still has to be one of my most memorable Carlos antics.

What stuck out the most in my mind was how casual it was... like it was no big deal. Wow.

by cwyers on Dec 22, 2006 9:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed that one too
And my six-year old got a big kick out of it.

by danimal15 on Dec 22, 2006 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great profile
Big Z is da man. No question. I hope he signs long-term and gets a shot to pitch in the post-season as our ace.

My fave Z moment: Jawing with Ozzie Guillen during the interleague games. Ozzie may intimidate his players, but he doesn't look so tough when Z is staring him down.

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by dat cubfan daver on Dec 22, 2006 10:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Drysdale?
I didn't realize that he had that kind of a bat.  I only got to watch him on TV at the very end of his career.

by Ihatethecards on Dec 22, 2006 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Actually, he puts slots
along the side of the bat to facilitate easier breakage!
Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Northwestern!

by TheEman on Dec 22, 2006 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Drysdale
Drysdale hit 7 hr twice.  The second time he did it, 1965, the Dodger team leaders (Jim "Daydream" Lefebvre and Lou Johnson) hit only 12.  Drysdale led the team in slugging with a slugging percentage over .500,  
The first time, 1958, the Dodger team leaders had a more respectible 22 although he still led the team in slugging.

by frustratedfan on Dec 22, 2006 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

One Criticism
Zambrano needs to prove that he can pitch in big games. As was mentioned, he struggled in the 2003 NLCS. I was in Atlanta for the first two games of the NLDS, with Zambrano pitching game two, and Z came out overly amped up and actually registered triple digits on the Turner Field radar gun. The problem is that Carlos does best when he's taking something off the ball and in that game Carlos didn't last. Even the last two opening days Carlos has struggled.

Hopefully we'll have the opportunity soon to see Carlos pitch in a post season in Cubs uniform again.

DmL

by dmlichte on Dec 22, 2006 10:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know.
I realize that and you don't know how much it bugs me.  I want him to be perfect, which is impossible.  I really hope he can prove that one day because I really want him to show everyone he can.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Dec 22, 2006 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully
he'll get better pitching the big games as he matures. Remember how awful Greg Maddux was at age 23 in the 1989 NLCS? He matured and pitched better during many other postseason appearances with the Braves. I hope Carlos has it in him to mature the way Maddux did (while staying with the Cubs, of course)

by danimal15 on Dec 22, 2006 4:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This quote...
I had seen Z throw in spring training that year and had some spirited debates on the old Cubs Usenet newsgroup (which some of you might remember) about whether Z might be better suited to relief pitching. In fact, had he taken that track, he might well have become an elite closer. He certainly has the stuff and the mound presence and the right approach to be one.

That's the same thing we hear all too often in this game.  Zambrano may have made a great closer as you say, Al, but why on earth would you move a 20 year old into that role with his physical features and athleticness?  

Anymore, everybody wants to find the elite closer and groom them for that role immediately.  The great closers in this game were not groomed for that role.  They were, as every other reliever, a failed starting pitcher.  Some of them failed because they simply didn't have the stamina to throw 6 innings on a consistent basis and some of them failed because they didn't throw enough pitches to face an order the 2nd and 3rd times through.  Almost all of them, in one way, shape or form, have been failed starting pitchers though.

Pitchers get moved into relief because they either don't have the stamina or they lack the number of pitches necessary to get by.  Carlos lacked neither of those.  

Moving Carlos Zambrano into relief at that age would have been one of the worst decisions by a baseball franchise in history...without even having the benefit of hindsight on my side that would be true.  I saw Carlos pitch that same spring training you did and thankfully the Cubs left him in the rotation.  This guy had star written all over him by the time he was 18 or 19.  

by Maddog on Dec 22, 2006 10:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Now...
... did I say the Cubs should have made Z a closer right then at the age of 20?

No, I said that "had he taken that track" -- i.e. gone to the bullpen first as a setup man -- he might have eventually become an elite closer.

Please read what I write more carefully and don't imply I said something that I really didn't. Thanks.

by Al on Dec 22, 2006 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Further...
... I do think some pitchers in the present time ARE groomed to be closers.

by Al on Dec 22, 2006 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no.
I don't think any team drafts a pitcher with the intention of having him be their future closer.  College closers are drafted (see David Aardsma), but almost all of the pitchers taken in the draft are starting pitchers...at least the ones that have much of a chance of producing anything (1st 5 rounds).  It's after these pitchers have shown some kind of a weakness being a starting pitcher that they're converted into a reliever.  

Zambrano's only weakness was his control, which still is a problem, but he misses so many bats that you can live with the control.  He's a big, athletic, power pitcher.  

I'm sure at some point in the minors people considered moving Roy Oswalt into the bullpen to be a reliever with his size and build, but he ultimately showed the talent that he needed to remain in the rotation despite being undersized.  

It's easier to be a reliever than a starting pitcher.  You can take a starting pitcher and expect to see an improvement in their numbers in relief because it is easier.  99% of the closers in this game have been guys who were failed starting pitchers.  It seems silly to me to try and find the 1% by grooming a guy to do what you will eventually randomly find.  

by Maddog on Dec 22, 2006 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While most of what you said is correct
some teams do draft college closers high to become their closer.  Huston Street with Oakland is a perfect example.    

by rlpete on Dec 22, 2006 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good example.
I'd still argue those picks are rare and the success of that pick for that role is even less rare.

by Maddog on Dec 22, 2006 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
It is rare.  I just wanted to point out that it does occasionally happen.  To your point on the failures, Cincinnati did it with Ryan Wagner.  That didn't work.  Boston also did it with Craig Hansen and Atlanta did it with Joey Devine.  The jury is still out on those two.    

by rlpete on Dec 22, 2006 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My apologies.
I didn't mean to imply that you stated that he should have been a closer, but the conversation you were involved in was discussing it.  I was remarking on the conversation you pointed out and nothing more.  

by Maddog on Dec 22, 2006 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Understood.
I knew Z had talent back then, as did you; it just didn't seem to me that he had the stamina for starting. Obviously, I was wrong, and I'm glad of it.

by Al on Dec 22, 2006 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.
I never really questioned his stamina, but you saw him more than I did.  I was pretty sure in late 2002 and throughout 2003 that he was going to be the best among the 3 starters the Cubs had.  Really, I just got lucky.  You make enough bold statements you're bound to be right sometime.  I sure caught a lot of flack when I was saying it though.

by Maddog on Dec 22, 2006 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the time...
... he was put in the rotation in the 2nd half of 2002, you were certainly right. A year or so before that, it didn't seem quite so clear.

by Al on Dec 22, 2006 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ZAMBRANO!!!
Carlos is awesome!
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Dec 22, 2006 10:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think Z sould have been higher
but he will be after this year. also i havent seen prior on there yet i dont see how he can be put higher than z or kerry wood...but if you leave him off then i understand

by tbizzle83 on Dec 22, 2006 11:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Prior
I think it has become pretty clear that Mark Prior will not be on this list (though I have no way of knowing that - just a good guess). One good (actually fantastic) season doesn't make him one of the top-100 Cubs of all time. If that were the case, we'd also be seeing players like Mike Bielecki (18-7 with a 3.14 ERA in 1989), Steve Trout (had a big year in 1984), and Dwight Smith and Jerome Walton (both were great in 1989) popping up on the list, and I think it's obvious they won't be.

Don't get me wrong: I think Mark Prior is great. If he ever puts his injuries behind him and starts pitching regularly again, he could eventually make his way onto a list like this. Let's just hope that's the case.

by danimal15 on Dec 22, 2006 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The StL game where he hit Edmonds
Was a classic was this '03 or '04?? Had been some chin music and warnings but Z just plunked Edmonds (in the back, I think) and then pretty much walked off the mound..he knew he'd get tossed but did what he had to do.

Pinella should love this guy. No way Cubs let him go since Prior-Wood have been such busts the last 2-3 years.

It's amazing how fortunes have changed...this is it for Wood-Prior don't think they'll hang with them another year if they don't produce. Where will they rank here? Prior probably not at all; Wood around 40 I'm guessing despite last three years.

by writerinwrigley on Dec 22, 2006 11:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wood was a few days ago
64 I believe. Which with Zambrano at 59, I take to mean Prior won't be on this list, which seems appropriate. Z and Wood both have more than one good season under their belts.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Dec 22, 2006 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wood's ranked lower
Z has already passed Wood according to this list, and there's no way Prior is going ahead of Z.

Derrek Lee has already been on here. Is that it for the current roster? I would have thought 3.5 years of Aramis would be > Lee's 2.2 years, even given his monster '05, but could Al be skipping him?

by JohnM on Dec 22, 2006 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Patience!
All will be revealed in time!

by Al on Dec 22, 2006 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd think Aramis should be up there
Lee had one good season and one monster one (2006 being a wash), but Rami has been awesome since 2003.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Dec 22, 2006 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aramis
I believe he'll be popping up pretty soon. I don't see him in the top-40 of all time, but perhaps in the top-50 or top-60.

by danimal15 on Dec 22, 2006 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez will be coming
My bet within the next 5.  That will be it for the current players.  

by rlpete on Dec 22, 2006 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What?
Shouldn't Murton be in the top 20?   Certainly Izturis will be there as well.  And what about Barrett?

by frustratedfan on Dec 22, 2006 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

top infielders next on the list instead of ramirez
No, no.  Mick Kelleher is coming up soon.  :-)

by sjcubfan on Dec 22, 2006 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Z
I watched Zambrano pitch a game for the Iowa Cubs before he was on the radar of the big Cubs. Consistenly hitting the mid-90's and a work horse attitude, I could sense he would be up as soon as he could harnass all that power. If you can believe it, he was thinner at that time, only 19 years old. He got control of the walks, the rest is history. Favorite game I saw him pitch was August in 2003 when he 3 hit (I think....maybe it was 2 hit) the Astros at Wrigley. He can absolutely DOMINATE another team. Hope to see him pitch in Cubbieblue for a long time. What a slider!
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Dec 22, 2006 11:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano...
is a monster.  He's build like an ogre, strong as el toro, and if I ever had to step in the box with him on the mound...I would soil myself.

I think this past season did a lot for Z's confidence; with the best of the staff down, he pretty much HAD to step up and assume the role of ace.  I think with this past season behind him, he's only going to get better.

I think he also started getting a little bit hungry for that Cy Young award towards the end of the year...

by raalic17 on Dec 22, 2006 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

no-hitter
Eventually, he's going to throw one. Just remember that I made that prediction here. He's come close twice. Hopefully he won't let his next chance slip away.

by danimal15 on Dec 22, 2006 12:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Two words:
SIGN HIM
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Dec 22, 2006 12:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

all the "emotion"
Is it just me or doesn't his jumpping around and screaming get a little old after awhile?  No doubt he's a competitor and is very talented, but man, act like you've been there before instead of screaming all the time.....

by sjcubfan on Dec 22, 2006 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I certainly don't think it gets old.  I love it when he and any player jumps around.  It could be because I scream and jump around too and it makes me feel good that I'm not the only crazy person in the world. :)
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Dec 22, 2006 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

80s babies
A number of them debuted for Zambrano, including a current teammate:

Nick Neuberger
Carlos Hernandez
C.C. Sabathia
Felipe Lopez
Cesar Izturis

by dvdmgsr on Dec 22, 2006 2:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A few words on Z
Give him truckloads of money and whatever else it takes to sign him to an extension. That is all.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Dec 22, 2006 4:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Z
Amen. Do not let Z get away.
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Dec 23, 2006 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From BCB's #1 Z fan:
I love Carlos! :)
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Dec 22, 2006 4:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey!
Even I don't contest your ranking on this one, sparkles.

What I was thinking in reading this bio was how far up the rankings Zambrano could go before his career is done.  If he signs a 5-year extension before next season, and then one more deal after that with the Cubs, I believe he could be in the top ten Cubs of all time when he retires.  I'm waiting to see who is in that category on Al's list now.  But, yes, this means I think Z has a great shot at the Hall of Fame and multiple Cy Young awards.

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Dec 22, 2006 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Closer mentality...
is not understood by baseball "experts", including Al. Eveyrone said Dempster had the right attitude? Why? Because hew as goofy and relaxed. Zambrano is because he's intense? Rivera is because extremely relaxed and poised. Hmmm... so which is it? Goofy? Intense? Relaxed?

It's none of them.

It's reaction to a negative. When Dempster walks someone, does he come back and get a strikeout/groundout? Or does he walk or give a hit?

The one and only "personality trait" I think you could project to the closer's role, is how a player reacts to a bad pitch/inning/performance.

It's ridiculous to say Zambrano had a closer's mentality because he was intense and emotional. The "closer mentality" is not something that can be detected in Spring Training-not definitively.

TOWEL DRILL!

by tyger1147 on Dec 22, 2006 7:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I never even saw....
... that emotional side of him in spring training. I was reacting more to his perceived lack of stamina -- which has turned out not to be an issue -- and his stuff, which was considerable.

by Al on Dec 22, 2006 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Face of the Team
With his play the last few years (consistent play) I think Zambrano has earned the right to be called the 'face of the franchise' if you so believe in the term.  Like everyone has been saying, a work horse that you can seemingly always depend on to give you well played baseball game when you need it (pitching, hitting, hustle, passion,etc).  Of course Hendry is eventually gonna have to give up some big bucks for him but he couldn't have earned it more in my eyes.  

Chicago Cubs
2007 World Series Champions  

by lilkimmer77 on Dec 22, 2006 10:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Z
Zs homerun in Houston was a major turning point in 2003.  And it is so Cubs that a major turning point in a playoff season would be a homerun by a pitcher.

Even the Sox announcers this season talked about Zs bat.  In fact Hawk was talking about him hitting and wham homerun.

Happy Holidays goodwill to all. Santa please remember the Cubs come next fall.

by kerrysotherwife on Dec 23, 2006 1:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is about where I thought he'd be
However, I say with conviction that if the Cubs can sign him to a long term deal, that if you were to revisit this list in 10 years time, Z will be much much higher. I'd even go so far as to say that he'll be one of the best pitchers to ever play for the Cubs. For that to happen, he's gotta get his walks down, though.

by Scott on Dec 23, 2006 12:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As I wrote...
... if he does stay and continues his progress, in 10 years he could be ranked as the greatest pitcher in Cubs history.

Let's hope so.

by Al on Dec 23, 2006 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thankful
We should all be thankful that Jim Hendry held onto Carlos and not Juan Cruz. If people don't recall, scouts loved Juan Cruz and the countless Pedro-esque comparisons were flowing. Thankfully, Zambrano became the pitcher with the electric stuff and decent enough command sooner, or else Big Z might have been piling up great games for some other team.

I think if he remains a Cub, and his arm stays strong...he has a shot at the top 25 all-time Cubs. I just hope they can re-sign him.

by cubby23 on Dec 25, 2006 6:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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