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Found an interesting article at www.chicagosports.com. If you wanna read it, click the link below. It talks about how the knothole won't be open on gameday. What I found interesting was how in the article Marc McGuire talks about how, "Fans inside the bleachers, walking through the area on their way to concessions, will be able to view the action through a chain-link fence, much like the Bullpen Sports Bar at U.S. Cellular Field." I'm having a hard time picturing how that is going to work. I also found it interesting that the "Batter's Eye Resturaunt is now going to be a luxury suite. I guess they realized that it could be more profitable that way. Anyways, if you wanna read the article click here.

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Steep
Are the new seats a bit more steep now?  

by jman on Feb 9, 2006 1:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bleacher seats
I heard that the bleachers seats were going to cost $50. That is absurd! I see a lot of talk about new seats but nothing about new players to win a World Series.

by Philtration on Feb 9, 2006 4:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no
i think the most expensive date for general admission bleachers is 40, then 30 for regular dates and 15 for value dates (though both of these are becoming more rare).

the new bleacher box seats, which aren't really "bleachers" anymore are 60. but i'm not sure why anyone would pay 60 for seats that are farther away than most of the infield seats. seems like they're trying to copy the green monster seats, but its not really the same. but i'm sure they'll sell well the next year or two, while they're novel.

by tomas21 on Feb 9, 2006 7:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow
what a series of slaps in the face.

Al, i think as a bleacher season ticket holder you should send john mcd a complaint letter about the cubs lying about having that restaurant be available to bleacher fans. that whole project is looking like a bait and switch.

by tomas21 on Feb 9, 2006 7:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why bother?
Most of us who are season ticket holders weren't going to bother with that area anyway. And writing to McDonough, or Mark McGuire, probably would accomplish nothing.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 8:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is anyone surprised?
has this team ever done anything but insult its fans in 24 years of tribco ownership? i'm underwhelmed.

by gaius marius on Feb 9, 2006 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

About the knothole...
... I think the Cubs realized the security issues that would result if they allowed people to watch from the street on game days. But having started this, I think they felt that backing off would make them look bad.

About watching from inside, remember there will be a ground-level walkway between the outer and inner walls -- that's where fans could stand and watch for a short time. I guarantee you they'll have security people there to make sure people "keep moving".

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 8:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

what's particularly bothersome
about the reversal on the knothole is the quote from mcguire that, "the person on the sidewalk who hasn't bought a free ticket isn't entitled to a free look at the game."

nobody ever suggested that fans were entitled to a free look and to take that attitude just reflects the tribune's consistent pattern of not doing a thing to create goodwill with fans.  they have a great product in wrigley field and have done a good job promoting the cubs in such a way to capitalize on fans' affection for the team.  but there seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to the little things. a particularly good example, which has been stated well by others, is the lack of perks given to season ticket holders.

the knothole would not be a security risk with 2 or 3 security guards out there to limit watching time when there is a line.  and maintaining a line where people wait.  

the idea that people would wait in line for a free 5 minute glimpse of part of a field and no view of fly balls instead of buying a ticket to a game is absurd.

All wil be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Feb 9, 2006 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

minor edits
obviously it's not buying a free ticket.  and mcguire's quote actually ends with the word entitled.

al, is there a reason we can't edit comments like we can our diaries?

All wil be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Feb 9, 2006 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...
... the point being that comments are in general supposed to be shorter, immediate comments on topics, while diaries are supposed to be longer, more thought-out pieces.

I realize it doesn't always work that way -- many people write long, well-thought-out comments, and I don't want to discourage that.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Security risk...
... 2 or 3 security guards? Ah, but you understand, that's extra money the Cubs would have to spend, and being on a public sidewalk the city would also likely have a say. You're right that this doesn't sound like it was well-thought-out in the first place.

I think the Cubs must have seen the "knothole" at SBC (now AT&T) Park and thought they could replicate it. The difference, of course, is how SBC is configured, and where the sidewalk behind RF is located there.

They really shouldn't have done this in the first place.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
"the person on the sidewalk who hasn't bought a free ticket isn't entitled to a free look at the game."

mcguire will get a raise for that one. excellent career move.

by gaius marius on Feb 9, 2006 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He needed...
a comment like this because his victory for all Cub fans commnent about the scalping court case is wearing off.

by greggie44 on Feb 9, 2006 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What Security Risk?!
It's so funny how you say the Cubs "realize" there are "security issues", which you offered up without even a touch of irony.

Seriously, what's the thought here -- that Al-Qaeda would use the knothole as an opportunity to launch a rocket toward the left-side upper deck fans?

Or in a less ridiculous vein, is it that some crazy man would supposedly squeeze through the knothole and wreak mayhem on the poor innocent paying customers inside?

Or that someone would bring a gun to the knothole and start shooting people from the outside?

Ridiculous.  Up to and including this year, someone can just as easily lob a grenade -- or, more accessibly, an M-80, or even an uncooked egg -- over the stands from the street right now, as it is.  I don't hear stories about rampant foreign object being lobbed into Wrigley Field. Do you?

At Comerica Park in Detroit, they have much more than a knothole -- they have a whole wide opening beyond centerfield where maybe 20 or 25 people can line up along the stadium wall and watch as much of the game as they want to.  Of course there's a chain-link fence to keep outsiders from getting in without paying.  But come on -- if they're not worried about mayhem coming in from the outside through this fence -- in downtown Detroit, for chrissakes -- what the hell are we worried about happening in Boys Town?

The whole idea about "we need much more security in a post-9/11 world" is a lot of crap, anyway.  Those in power and control use this catch-all reasoning of "maintaining and enforcing security" only as a way of screwing with you, a strategy by which they maintain their power and control.  It's their way of reducing your liberty and reminding you that they're in control and can screw with you anytime they want. And Americans are only too happy to comply.  They will willingly trade away their freedom in exchange for the feeling of security.  But it's only a feeling -- an illusion -- and no reality at all.  We're just as vulnerable as we ever were, and more so -- because now we're more vulnerable to the very people we trust to protect us.

Pathetic.  When are we finally going to get over ourselves on this issue?  Jeez Louise -- we're such wussies.

Chuck

by chasfh on Feb 9, 2006 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my hunch
is that the "security risk" has more to do with massive crowds gathering on the sidewalk than terrorism fears.  at least i hope that's what they mean as the alternative you assume would be a new level of stupidity as yet unknown to man.

that said, the idea that there would be massive, out of control crowds fighting to get a 5 minute glimpse of the game from such a bad angle is also silly.  and nothing that a few $25/hour security guards couldn't keep under control.

All wil be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Feb 9, 2006 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

$25/hour? For security guarding?
Holy toledo, am I in the wrong job.

Chuck

by chasfh on Feb 9, 2006 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me...
... the Cubs don't pay their security people $25 an hour.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there are different types of security guards
in wrigley. there are the ones who work the stands who i assume make far less.  but there are also off-duty cops who i'm sure make a decent hourly rate.

i made up the $25/hour number, but if it does cost less to get off-duty cops, that's only all the more reason why the knothole would be easily managed during games.

All wil be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Feb 9, 2006 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where have you seen...
... off-duty cops at Wrigley?

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe i assumed too much on this one
aside from the common sense that would demand off duty cops be present, i have seen badges shown on two different instances by guys not in uniform.  i suppose it's possible they were just random fans who are cops and happened to be nearby.  in both cases, they were confronting excessively loud fans.

and some of the security personnel have handcuffs, which led me to think that they are cops, but i suppose they might not be.

regardless, they could hire good security officers, off duty cops or not, to oversee the knothole during games if they wanted to.

the idea that they went back on the knothole for security reasons is something i just cannot believe.  i tend to take corporate mouthpieces with a grain of salt, but on this one i believe mcguire: the cubs think the knothole would somehow hurt ticket sales.  and that's slightly more idiotic that bill wirtz saying putting home games on tv would hurt ticket sales for the hawks.

All wil be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Feb 9, 2006 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i thought
most of the upper eschalon security guys are, aren't they? -- and not just at wrigley. the guy that marshalled us through the sro line last year prior to the boston saturday was cpd, if i'm remembering correctly.

by gaius marius on Feb 9, 2006 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There are...
... occasionally uniformed cops in the bleachers, at least I have seen some.

I know OTHER ballparks, notably the Cell, hires off-duty cops, in fact puts them in special "Sox Security" shirts.

But I do not think there is a regular presence of off-duty, or even on-duty, police at Wrigley Field.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The best off-duty cops............
.........are employed by the ticket scalpers.

If you are trying to sell a ticket, they flash their badge at you in an attempt to scare you from making a deal.  The scalpers have hired them to keep the "Average Joe" from moving his extra tickets.

It's hard to say who's worse:  The Cubs or the multitude of leeches capitalizing on their product.

by tville on Feb 10, 2006 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is *that* what I said? What I meant was...
Yeah, I saw that, too, and all I could think was that all the warm fuzzies about the project that the Tribune Corporation generated when they proposed it and wanted to sweet-talk the neighborhood and fans into accepting it was just American business as usual.  Like we should be surprised or something.

Let's recap:

Knothole

  • Before: Tribune's consultant said the idea was to "give something back to the people" by allowing you to see through the knothole right into the ballpark, suggesting to people you can see the game in progress.
  • After: Tribune says a "person on the sidewalk who hasn't bought a ticket isn't entitled" to a free view of the game, and it will be covered during games.
Batter's Eye (restaurant in the bleachers)
  • Before: In 2001, Tribune sends a letter to neighborhood residents announcing the "Batter's Eye Restaurant" which would allow bleacher fans a "chance to view the game through tinted glass while eating in a new enclosed area in center field."
  • After: Tribune yesterday confirmed this will actually be "a group party area, like a large mezzanine suite that will be used for group entertainment on game days" -- for a substantial fee, of course.
Bleacher Boxes:
  • Before: During the Cubs Convention last month, Tribune reveals plan for 250 "bleacher box seats" in the right-field corner.  No mention is made of pricing, suggesting prices would be similar to those of the current bleachers.
  • After: Ticket price is announced to be $60, the highest in the ballpark except for the infield Club Box seats -- and then only on "Prime" dates.  
Smoking:
  • Before: Tribune is reportedly expected to comply with the new non-smoking ordinance commencing on 1/16/06, making smoking illegal anywhere within the ballpark.
  • After: Tribune says they are "still ... studying the city's new no-smoking ordinance to see how it affects the open-air areas in the bleachers and the roof-deck patio facing the intersection of Clark and Addison."  This statement suggests future lobbying efforts by Tribune to exempt Wrigley Field from the ordinance, against the wishes of the vast majority of people, and allow smoking within the building as they see fit.
In the end, this should remind us that the National League Base Ball Club of Chicago, Inc., as a subsidiary of Tribune Corporation, operates not as a public trust, as many people would wish, but as a for-profit enterprise within the most legally protected industry in the country.  We should no more believe what they say about their future business plans than we would those of the rubber factory across town.

Chuck

by chasfh on Feb 9, 2006 9:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

that
In the end, this should remind us that the National League Base Ball Club of Chicago, Inc., as a subsidiary of Tribune Corporation, operates not as a public trust, as many people would wish, but as a for-profit enterprise within the most legally protected industry in the country.  We should no more believe what they say about their future business plans than we would those of the rubber factory across town.

in an excellent bit of rational advice, chuck.

by gaius marius on Feb 9, 2006 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Coincidence?
 That they make this chain yanking public AFTER the Cubs convention?

by escapegoat on Feb 9, 2006 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Further comments
Though they are $60 bucks and I certainly don't see myself sitting there, I can see this being their line of thought, "These are reserved seats in the most popular part of our park.".... Actually it was probably more along the lines of "We can make more money off of these." It bothers me that they changed the restauraunt into a luxury box, but to be honest with you, if they can make it look good, I really don't care. As I said up top, the tribsters realized it was more profitable this way. They now have a fairly big luxary box, in the most popular area of the park. Again, I'll never go in there, but I was never going to go in the restauraunt either.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Feb 9, 2006 10:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Luxury suites
 I am disappointed after reading that article on many levels but really don't understand the thinking of having luxury suites instead of a restaurant in the Centerfield batters eye.Sure they will make more money selling them as luxury suites for game days, but if you had it open 365 days of the year, it could've been something really cool and profitable as well.

 A lot of parks now (the BOB in AZ for 1) have restaurants placed in the park itself and is open for business all the time. Of all the remodeling I thought that had the best potential to be something really cool. on game days have to have a ticket to enter and you can eat and have some drinks from the bar then open it up a couple hours after the game as a restaurant open to the public again. I'm ruling these new developements as E-Management. Cubs brass dropped the ball, again.

by escapegoat on Feb 9, 2006 11:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

According to...
... this article on the Cubs website:
The new Batter's Eye Suite will be available for rental on non-game days, and the price will be similar to what the Cubs charge for mezzanine suites.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rental?
 I don't get it. Why would anyone want to rent it on non game days? That doesn't strike me as charming whatsoever.

 Obviously it'd be rented out for company parties etc etc etc but that's just lame IMO.

by escapegoat on Feb 9, 2006 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but
 thanks for the link, I hadn't read that yet.

by escapegoat on Feb 9, 2006 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Question on windscreen
 that they are considering putting over knothole on game days. How easy would it be to cut through?

by escapegoat on Feb 9, 2006 12:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I have to imagine...
... it'll be guarded.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what the problem is here...
SBC/PAC Bell/ATT Park has had an open viewing area since the building was built. It is in right field and is clearly visible when you watch a game. There was signage outside that said people could stand and watch for three innings, then had to move along. It all seems pretty straightforward to me.
Goodbye Corey. May Eric be nothing like you.

by Ross on Feb 9, 2006 12:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's true...
... but the layout there is different. It's not a street with a public sidewalk, it's part of the ballpark footprint, and the other side of it is McCovey Cove, not a public street.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is, actually...
Last time I was there it was open to the public. You could walk right up, without a ticket, and watch a sliver of the game from outside.
Goodbye Corey. May Eric be nothing like you.

by Ross on Feb 9, 2006 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what I meant...
... yes, it IS open to the public, correct.

The difference here is that Sheffield is a PUBLIC STREET, with traffic, people walking that have nothing to do with the game, deliveries to bars, etc. It would be MUCH harder to control that area at Wrigley Field than it is in San Francisco.

by Al on Feb 9, 2006 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

must we really
carry the rationalization to such pathetic detail?

i'd be happy to consdier that the cubs were really concerned about safety and security -- if they had evinced the slightest notion of it.

where did the cubs say they were concerned about security? nowhere.

what did the cubs say?

"the person on the sidewalk who hasn't bought a free ticket isn't entitled

gentlemen, i think you would do better to consider that you're in love with a team that, at best, disdains you. this rank apologism is embarrassing -- i am reading this, feeling embarrassed for you. please stop.

by gaius marius on Feb 9, 2006 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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