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SURPRISE, Arizona -- Talk about surprises -- man, did I go to the wrong game today!

I decided, as I often do on split-squad days, to go to the non-Mesa game. This way I can get a look at some of the minor leaguers, and non-starters, and I knew today's Mesa game was on TV, so most of you would see it.

But nine-plus no-hit innings by Cub pitchers? That is absolutely unheard-of in a spring training game. The Cubs won it in 10, after John Koronka allowed the only Oakland hit after two were out in the top of the 10th.

For more on this game see the Smooth Jazz Man's excellent diary. He kept calling me with updates from Mesa, his voice sounding more and more incredulous and excited as the game went on; meanwhile I kept saying, "Well, it's 6-3 here, and it's kind of dragging," as the Cub fans around me were chuckling at the constant ringing of my phone.

According to this cubs.com article, no-hitters in the spring are extremely rare, for the Cubs or any other team:

No formal records are kept for no-hitters in Spring Training games, but Boston's Pedro Martinez combined with five relievers for a perfect game on March 14, 2000, in a 5-0 victory over Toronto.

That was the last recorded spring no-hitter since the Angels defeated San Francisco, 15-0 on March 16, 1996.

Baseball historian Ed Hartig couldn't find any record of the Cubs having a no-hitter in Spring Training since 1990, and the last recorded one was Feb. 26, 1970, when four pitchers combined to lead a team of Cubs rookies over some local college players in a 5-0, seven-inning game.

So today's crowd at Mesa did indeed see something special.

Meantime, the 8,571 at Surprise who saw the Cubs beat the Royals 9-4 today were mostly Cub fans; it was obvious both from the Cub t-shirts and jerseys in the crowd and the loud cheering, drowning out most of the Royals fans, except for two very enthusiastic KC fans who cheered at every hit for their heroes. I sympathized with them; how difficult must it be to be a fan of a team that is almost certainly going to lose 100 games again this year?

That sort of fandom, enthusiasm, is to be commended, not criticized. Until MLB gets some sort of REAL revenue-sharing plan in place, the small-market teams like the Royals are always going to be at a disadvantage.

Instead, this year KC has signed veterans like Mark Grudzielanek, Doug Mientkiewicz (hey, at least they'll keep the uniform-letter-sewing folks busy!) and Reggie Sanders.

I got to Surprise early enough to have lunch, and taking up the Jazz Man's recommendation to avoid the meatball sandwiches, I instead found a grill stand run by a local restaurant chain, El Paso BBQ Co., which was serving a really nice BBQ brisket sandwich. It's a really nice casual restaurant too, if you're in the Phoenix area where they now have six locations (and one in Tucson).

Anyway, after eating and checking out the large but rather routine souvenir shop (didn't buy anything), it was off to my seat five rows behind first base.

The Cubs came out swinging against Runelvys Hernandez. This is clear evidence that the Royals are going to suck. Hernandez is their #2 starter. He gave up six hits and five walks in three-plus innings, including a three-run homer in the first to Michael Barrett. The inning could have been bigger if Jerry Hairston hadn't gotten himself caught stealing promptly after walking to lead off the game.

It was Barrett's day. He had two more hits and a walk and six RBI -- something else you rarely see in an exhibition game. He stayed in the game for four at-bats; I think this is because he is a bit behind, having not had many AB's in the WBC. He sure looked ready today.

As did Aramis Ramirez. Here's how hot Ramirez is: he went 2-for-4 and his average went down from .600 to .590. It would have been three hits, except that a mammoth shot down the LF line was just to the left side of the foul pole, with two runners on base in the second inning.

Jerome Williams threw pretty well; he had one shaky inning (the second, when he issued a leadoff walk, followed by a just-missed DP -- how can you just miss a DP when Matt Stairs is the batter? -- and another hit, leading to two runs). Rich Hill was the only other Cub pitcher at Surprise today; Williams threw five innings and Hill four, so Hill got credit for a save. Hill allowed five hits but didn't walk anyone and struck out four, pitching against mostly major league hitters (the Royals put their regular lineup out there save for Mike Sweeney and David DeJesus, and whoever their starting 3B is going to be, likely Mark Teahen, although today's KC starter at 3B, Alex Gordon, was their top draft choice in 2005).

Man, is he fast: Felix Pie almost beat out a routine ground ball to second base. He also played a nice right field, making an excellent diving catch on a sinking line drive off the bat of Mientkiewicz in the third inning.

Man, is he slow: Marquis Grissom took what seemed like an hour and a half to chase down a routine single down the LF line, turning it into a double by Angel Berroa, who has good speed but is no Pie. He also had three really bad at-bats before hitting a double in his final at-bat in the Cubs' three-run sixth. Angel Pagan continued to be far more impressive than Grissom; he homered again today, and played center field well. Pagan seems at home in any of the three OF positions, and if it comes down to a choice between him and Grissom, I'd take Pagan. I'd also take him ahead of Michael Restovich, who appears best suited to being a DH (and today, he wasn't even very well suited to that, striking out twice).

You can say what you will about Neifi Perez, but he had a nice game today -- he had three hits, including two long doubles. I had forgotten to mention this last night -- he batted righthanded against the right-handed knuckleballer R. A. Dickey, but lefthanded today against RHP Hernandez. Must be something about the way the knuckleball breaks, I suppose, but Neifi did nothing against Dickey last night.

I handed out some BCB cards to both Royals and Cubs fans today, and to the Royals fans I say again... I really do feel for you. The Cubs have gone through, in the last sixty years, stretches in their history when their chances were just about as hopeless as KC's seem to be right now. The Royals have two pretty good players in DeJesus and Sweeney, but that's about it. The only KC pitcher I saw today who did anything at all decent was Jimmy Gobble, who threw a 1-2-3 inning -- but that was against Cub minor leaguers.

Today was the spring's final split-squad game; the ballclub reconvenes in toto tomorrow in Mesa -- apparently, without Derrek Lee, who didn't play today, having gone home to take care of some family business. Don't worry, he's not hurt.

 

Jerome Williams pitching on Saturday; Aramis Ramirez preparing to hit. Right after this photo he hit a tremendously long fly ball out of the park -- just foul.

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thanks Al!
for your reports from ST. I was lucky to see both games as both were televised in my area. I mostly watched the A's game to see Marshall and Guzman and I'm glad I did. They still don't have too many innings to tell what they would do against MLB players over a longer period, more Marshall than Guzman, but I think they should get the chance. depends what they do until mid april- the rest of the spring and AAA until a decision has to be made. of course they can be called up later than that as well.

I do agree that Pagan looks good enough to edge out Grissom for the opening day roster. Dusty might favor grissom though, knowing him, and of course that would give Pagan even more ABs and innings in the minors to prove himself even more, though I agree that he should be given the chance right away, since he can play all OF spots and he looks so good.

by the way, you wondered about Joe Simokaitis the other day- he was a great SS at Nebraska the last 4 years when they made the college world series 3 times. hard to say what will become of him, though he was instrumental in their success, as was Alex Gordon of KC.

what Steve Stone said about Pierre being a rental: too early to tell. why must people insist on making these predictions before the season starts? Pie hasn't even played in a big league game yet. Depends on his performance, and Jones', Murton's, Pagan's, injuries (nice to have insurance!) plus it doesn't have to be a "lucrative deal" like some say. If he has a good year why not sign him for 2 more years. I sense that Pierre already likes it here and wouldn't demand that much money, but like I say, too early to tell. I think we can all agree that Pie is now untouchable for trades, as is Murton based on what we're seeing so far. Hope I haven't contradicted myself.

Tony Gywnn's comments: did HE say we are "pitching-rich cubs" or did somebody at yahoo sports take that liberty?? I heard his comments and he didn't really mention pitching. I think we would be rich if prior, wood and miller, or at least 2 of the 3, would be able to come back and have respectable years. still to be determined...

one more thing, I still can't believe Grudz took a deal with KC when he could have started for the cards at a discount. he doesn't want a chance to win?

one other observation while seeing some of the game against KC- Pie made an long, great, strong accurate throw home on a base hit that would have nailed the runner at home if Barrett wouldn't have dropped the ball. Will Barrett ever improve defensively??

eagerly awaiting opening day..

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 25, 2006 8:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Barrett has real problems recieving throws
He has been very poor making tags at home from the outfield.  I do think his offense is worth some defensive liability but after seeing how well he came out of spring training throwing out runners last year I wish he would work that hard on his defense every year.

by JonH on Mar 26, 2006 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there now real competition for the 4th starter?
Glad Williams and Hill responded well but Marshall pitched excellently. What I have heard Baker is going to cry about having to tell Grissom that he is no longer a major leaguer....Pagan appears to be a better version of Matthews Jr. and a wonderful 4th OF'er. Switch hit, play all three positions well, run, throw....he might even platoon with Jones.

Cedeno made a great stop to start a 6-4-3 today. Sing hit one off the wall after being sawed off at the hands for the game winner.

Mabry also hit one to the wall, while Walker got a dink, Cedeno an infield hand job for a hit....it was all pitching.

Bill Veeck planted Ivy during 'The Depression', and over time the Ivy Walls has become the most distinct symbol of Wrigley Field.

by Ivy Walls on Mar 25, 2006 9:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno made...
...a couple of plays that really impressed me. I have no doubt he can hit, I just hope Baker doesn't hold some of his offensive woes during spring training against him. If Baker makes him the opening day starter I think that should take alot of pressure off Cedeno.
cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on Mar 25, 2006 10:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Today...
Dusty said that the job was Cedeno's.  He could be lying or later change his mind of course.  I don't exactly remember if I heard this in the pregame show on 720 or during the interview with Len and Bob.  I think Ronny will start.
Cubbie Blue always sPaRkLes in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Mar 25, 2006 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it just make more sense..
for Dusty to "give him the starting job at SS" now so he can relax (if that is what is necessary) now.  I was impressed by his defense yeaterday...it looked very effortless and that is so important.  That is why (gulp)Jim Edmonds is so damn good, he does it all out there with ease...you know, the same way he is a prick so effortlessly.
Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 26, 2006 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Effortlessly prickish
Right on.

I can't wait to check out the new outrageous broadway hit: "How To Succeed In Being A Prick Without Really Trying", starring Jim Edmonds, Barry Bonds, Josh Beckett, with a special guest appearance by J.J. Redick.

(A four-year Broadway contract was a clause in their deals with the devil)

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by Sarah Hope on Mar 26, 2006 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NICE!
I liked that!  I'd check that show out...sounds like it could be quite informative!  On the Cedeno thing, I like him and feel like he is at the perfect spot for a major leaguer.  You know...young, primed for the big league club, with planty of time to improve his game before he "breaks out" but I do think he will break out as a top player within the next couple years.
Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 26, 2006 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Redundant
... but I'll say it anyway.
I agree with Cedeno's fielding abilities.  He handles with a grace beyond his years.  If he wasn't such a tiny little booger, I wouldn't believe the guy I watched yesterday is as young as he is.  
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by Sarah Hope on Mar 26, 2006 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grissom
As I said about two weeks ago, he is no longer a good fielder. He takes forever to get to balls and watching him out there is just painful. As well as Pagan has been playing, there is no reason that Grissom should be considered for this club.

DmL

by dmlichte on Mar 25, 2006 11:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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