Cardinals Start Whining

by Al on Apr 13, 2006 9:00 PM CDT Comment 107 comments

Jim Edmonds had the first two-error game of his career today in the Cardinals' loss to the Brewers, and he blamed everything but himself:

Edmonds, who has won six consecutive Gold Gloves since joining the team in 2000 and has eight overall, committed fielding errors in the second and fifth. He complained Wednesday night that he was having trouble judging balls in the new ballpark because the crack of the bat is not as pronounced as it was at the old Busch.

On Thursday he said the decorative pattern cut into the grass can make balls behave erratically.

The pattern cut in the grass????? Now I've heard everything.

And Carlos Lee, who's not exactly known as a great fielder, didn't seem to have any trouble fielding at the new Busch Stadium:

Lee leaped high above the wall to snare Juan Encarnacion's bid for a two-run homer for the first out in the bottom of the 10th. Then he caught Edmonds' drive to the wall off Jorge De La Rosa (1-0) with runners on first and third for the third out, banging into the padding after the grab.

The Cardinals are self-destructing.

Good.

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"The Cardinals are self-destructing"

Were there ever sweeter words written?

That's what happens when teams/players/people are spoiled with fortunate circumstances. Maybe there were weird patterns in the grass... maybe his deal with the devil expired... whatever it is, the old adage is true. Good triumphs over evil. :)

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by Sarah Hope on Apr 13, 2006 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the grass...

...and the crack of the bat are no different than any other stadium. If Edmonds wants weird grass decoration, he needs to go to Shea and Fenway. Shea has the New York skyline cut into the outfield, and Fenway has the sox logo cut in the infield grass.
As for the crack of the bat being different, it shouldn't be any different then any other retro park built in the last 10 years.
If edmonds hates the new busch so much, he always can come play at wrigley. Oh wait, never mind. He complained last week that his poor body couldn't handle the cold water of the visiting locker room showers. Some one call a whambulence.

by stadiumguru on Apr 13, 2006 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

oh good lord

whambulence.

nothing to do with that band does it?

2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Apr 13, 2006 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It can be more appropriately expressed thusly:

Oh no! Somebody call the WAAAAAAAAmbulance!

AC036198

by gjdow on Apr 14, 2006 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I will do...

...better next time. Hopefully there is a next time :)

by stadiumguru on Apr 14, 2006 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

something tells me

there will be.

2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Apr 14, 2006 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

edmonds

has got to be a top five jerk in baseball today

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 13, 2006 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok, who we got...

Edmonds
Bonds
Sosa
Beckett (?)
The guy who sat behind me last week.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 13, 2006 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget

Sheffield and A-Rod. (I'm counting Sosa as out of baseball and the guy behind you can be #6.) Oh, and Robert Fick belongs somewhere in there, especially if he's still playing...

by helen on Apr 13, 2006 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes! Fick!

Who clotheslines my beloved Eric Karros in the playoffs and nearly decapitated him---or at least messed up his really great hair.

Karros comment? "Interesting technique"

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How could I forget

Roy "Asstro" Oswalt. Barrett should have knocked his head off. Anybody see that deplorable article in ESPN magazine? He's straight out of the trailer.

Also from the Asstros... I give you "Most likely to make less friends than George W. Bush at a Rainbow parade"... Mr. Jeff Bagwell.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who seems to have all the earmarks

of a roid user. He didn't used to look like Tweety after he drank the Jekyll and Hyde potion. How has he managed to stay under the ill-will radar. Because, as much as I hate him, it's really not fair for Bonds to get all the syringes thrown at him.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right on, Julie

n/t

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just realized

I left out a question mark, Sarah, don't kill me!

Though my many typos on these posts probably would have you believe otherwise, I am a sometimes writer and former editor. I just have to type fast while I'm at work.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're cool

I actually don't care. Ivychat just rubs me the wrong way...

I would completely believe that you are a writer. You're very well-spoken, witty, and intelligent. Which makes sense given that we were separated at birth ;)

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hee!

Thanks for the compliment, I find you very witty as well. Sob! Group hug!

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't foget

Milton Bradley: domestic violence specialist

Matt Morris: body hair specialist

Kent Merkcer: broadcast relations specialist

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

surprsingly

craig counsell. a buddy of mine's girlfriend worked at a bar in downtown milwaukee. he came in one night after he had a big hit to win the game against the cubs, i can't remember the specifics of the game, but i tihnk it was two seasons ago.
anyways, she waits on his table, and she said his group was loud and obnoxious the whole night, ordered tons of beer and food and made a huge mess. she figured it was worth putting up with their crap because at least she'd get a big tip, with the large tab accumulating and the fact that he's a millionaire.
he walks out and leaves no tip. she actually had the gall (which i wouldn't, i guess i'm too spineless) to ask him about it while he was leaving, and he said "you got to wait on craig counsell, that's tip enough".
and he was serious.

by tomas21 on Apr 14, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

his batting stance is stupid.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LAUGH

n/t

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 14, 2006 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'd of

laughed straight in his face and asked him how that MVP Trophy was treating him, then laughed and said, "oh wait, you don't have one!" and continued laughing until he walked out the door.

2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Apr 14, 2006 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...but the domestic violence superstar is:

Al Martin, who actually managed to get in trouble for assaulting his second wife. Not second wife as in got-a-divorce-and-remarried second wife, but as in polygamy, with the wives not knowing about each other.

That, my friends, is class.

by dustyisdonnie on Apr 14, 2006 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh.shut.up!

No way! Hahahaha, how did I not hear about that??

Absolutely atrocious.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

best treatment of it I found is here...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2972

Unfortunately, I think it's a premium article. It also touches on an ex-Cub and another decided jerk, Ben Christiansen.

by dustyisdonnie on Apr 14, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would vote for

Bonds
Edmonds
Jose Guillen
Kent Mercker
Jeff Kent

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 13, 2006 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Man this is getting tricky

So many douchebags... so little time.

In that case, I've never liked Ozzie all that much and I hear that Ken Griffey Jr. is kind of a jerk. Ooh, and Bud Selig. Can we count him too?

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 13, 2006 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

First thing that I thought of here was, "What's wrong with Ozzie Smith? Just because he was a Cardinal didn't make him a bad guy" before it hit me. I think I'm stuck in the past, which is dangerous for a archaeology student, because then we lose our frame of mind

by michigancubbie on Apr 14, 2006 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ohhhhh archeology

I love "Digging for the Truth"

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FWIW

Those patterns in the grass CAN cause the ball to skip around a bit... but not NEAR enough to make a major league outfielder (let alone an 8 time GG winner) miss it.

Edmonds is a punk, a pansy, and a girlie-man. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him. Seriously.

I am soooo tired of him slowing down so he can dive for a ball. Or making a catch on the warning track and running 3 steps so he can "crash" into the wall. Of course every time he touches the ground he has to act like he's hurt for an inning or two.

Man, do I hate him.

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 13, 2006 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I wonder

if Cardinals fans have this many bad things to say about our players...

I mean, I can see maybe saying something about Zambrano. But most of our guys seem like decent fellows. Like Lee, what are you gonna say about Lee? He has such a great attitude. And Pierre, Nomar was great, Hairston is very well-mannered... and of course, Maddux. I mean come on, you can't get a more stand-up guy than him.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 13, 2006 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well....

....the Cardinals have those players too. I mean, what bad things can you say about Albert Pujols? Or Chris Carpenter? Or David Eckstein (hey, he's a pest when he gets on base, but he plays the game the right way)?

See, this is why I love our rivalry - we can respect each others' players. Totally not Boston-NYY

by Chadnudj on Apr 14, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

as we've mentioned, Eckstein is a wee man.

A wee little man he be.

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by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't Eckstein have...

the annoying tendancy to lean into the pitch (a la Biggio)? that makes me hate him and while he might have been a big help last year, I'll take Pierre in the lead off spot.

by blueisthecolor on Apr 14, 2006 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thing I can't stand

are teeny tiny little shortstops. Bobby Crosby rubs me the wrong way, too. He's just too wee for me. Also, this is probably why I never liked Augie Ojeda, but does not expain why I still carry a torch for Davey Martinez--although he was a CF. And, to be fair, back when I was playing I was a gymnast and a lot shorter.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you're thinking of someone else...

Bobby Crosby is 6'3, 215.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Apr 14, 2006 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey!

I was a teeny-tiny little shortstop when I played infield. I was, at the time, 5-5, 110 lbs, until I switched over to pitching. I take offense at all insinuations towards small shortstops.

(j/k)

by michigancubbie on Apr 15, 2006 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I was also a teeny-tiny shortstop, when I was 10. I'm talking about guys playing in the majors.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 15, 2006 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know...

but if I had kept playing, I'd currently be a 5-10, 150 player somewhere in the minors, if I had kept playing, that is...so I feel for the small players, because short stature is one of the curses of being Italian.

by michigancubbie on Apr 15, 2006 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm also Italian

well, Sicilian, but I'm 5'7 and have brothers who are 6'3.

And you have to know that I am kidding about short shortstops--my dad is only 5'6! And, like I said above, I don't consider 5'10 short. I guess Scutaro just looks a lot smaller when he's out there. Heck, I thought Crosby looked small and look how big he is.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 15, 2006 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

really?

he doesn't look that big..

I might be confusing his size with Marco Scutaro---but still, he's 5'10. They both like smaller out there---maybe because Crosby is so babyfaced I assumed he was smaller.

Either way, I don't like Eckstein.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 15, 2006 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, here in SW Indiana...

...there are a LOT of Cardinal fans. In fact, one of my best friends is a Cards fan. We have a policy to not call each other and talk shit when the other guys team loses.

As for OUR players. He admits to liking DLee, Aram, Barrett, and Murton (I talk Orange Guy up a LOT). I think he secretly likes Z, but most Cards fans hate Z since he plunked Edmonds twice in a game last year (Which made me love Z even more.) He also doesn't put up much argument when I go on a rant about Edmonds and call him, um, Brokeback-ish.

In return, I'll admit to liking PuJoLs, Eckstein and Rolen - whom I played against in H.S.

I think that the guys we've mentioned here could switch teams tomorrow and either teams fans would be happy to get them.

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 13, 2006 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh yes.

I grew up in Springfield, Illinois which is just a breeding ground for Cubs/Cards rivalry. I will say that most of the trash talking is on the Cards side. (BTW, I think it's so funny how Brokeback has so quickly found its place in the modern lexicon)

That was an awesome game when Z hit Edmonds twice in the thigh. He deserved it. He stayed so long at the plate I thought he was going to make an acceptance speech. "I'd like to thank the wind blowing out today, my steroids dealer, and my therapist. Thanks Dr. Schneider! We can move on from mommy now, I've got a whole new set of issues with Zambrano."

You played against those guys?? How cool!

I like Pujols too, although I feel he is far too groomed for a man. But pedicures or no pedicures, I'd give my right leg to have him on our team.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't play against those guys...

... just Rolen. He's from Jasper, IN.

He was really good. Me... not so much. He was a helluva basketball player too. Me... not so much.

Bet I can drink more beer than him tho. Top THAT Scotty!

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 14, 2006 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But still

So cool!! All I've got is that I met the vice president when I was in fourth grade. And for those of you who know how old I am and can do the math, you know why that's notsocool.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You Met Richard Nixon....

Ducks N/t

by cubsfan2883 on Apr 14, 2006 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Think Potatoe...

n/t

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How can you not like Pujols?

Scott Rolen looks to me like a Campbell's Soup kid and Eckstein is just so little it makes me uncomfortable.

I bet I could find something nasty to say about Mother Theresa if she played for the Cards. Pujols is the only one I can stomach.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But what about

his facial hair? Isn't anyone else just a little put off by how neatly groomed that one line of hair is?

Yes, Eckstein makes Pierre look like the jolly green giant.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um

I grant that his goatee could be a little less neat and it would probably look better. Other than that, I think he looks like he smells nice, even in the 8th inning in August.

Look, you can nit pick all you want, at least I don't have to look at Matt Morris's ugly mug 18 times a year anymore.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still stand

by my statement that i would give my right leg (and I cleaned that up for family-friendly sake).

Heck, take the arms too. The kid's amazing. I just have to find something wrong with him as long as he has a red bird on his sleeve.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Lou

must have a helluva facial hair guy working for the Cards. Remember how nicely trimmed Fernando Vina's goatee was?

Wonder if it was the same guy that dyed Placido Polanco's hair and that moron w/ the Red goatee they have now.

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 14, 2006 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You have a point...

Maybe with the helmet covering the hair, and the ill-fitting uniform, the facial hair is the only real way to have any individuality??

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

How else would we know that Dustin Hermanson is a dork?

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 14, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In defense of Edmonds...

a friend of mine (a Brewers fan) was watching the game today on MLB.tv and said a lot of the outfielders were having trouble with balls being lost in the sun. Personally, i hope Busch III is bad for pitching and fielding - it would take away St. Louis's greatest strength - the ability of its fielders to make outs a great rate for balls put into play.

The Cubs will thrive in twenty-oh-five... or sometime thereafter!

by shawndgoldman on Apr 14, 2006 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"In defense of Edmonds..."

Were there ever more perplexing words written??

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by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know...

The Cubs will thrive in twenty-oh-five... or sometime thereafter!

by shawndgoldman on Apr 14, 2006 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cardinals fans don't

make fun of Cubs players.... WE are their target.
One of our fine negative posters was plastered all over viva el birdos the other day, with the description..."Well, they're at it already."
Of course, the post came BEFORE the series sweep.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 14, 2006 1:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Cardinals

are one injury away from losing 90 games.

On a related note, how do the Astros continue to win? Haven't they been due to completely implode for like 3 years now? And without Clemens no less. -although you know he's just pulling a Jordan and will return in August for the playoff run...

by Matt Allison on Apr 14, 2006 3:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds

You know, the Angels did make a big mistake in trading Edmonds, even if Adam Kennedy has become a fine player. (Of course, that's all he is--"fine.")

But there were reasons they got rid of Edmonds instead of Erstad, and they weren't purely financial.

Baseball can be summed up in one word--you never know--Joaquin Andujar

by Josh77 on Apr 14, 2006 6:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Were they similar reasons

as the ones why Robbie Alomar couldn't last more than a year or two on a team? (Now I sound all Brokebackaphobeish.)

I will say that the catch Edmonds made when he was w/ the Angels (The one where he dove flat out w/ his back to the plate to catch a ball) was probably the best one I've ever seen... on t.v.

I saw Sarah's buddy, Ryan (Are You) Freel(?), make a helluva catch in center field (in Cincy) against the Cubs a couple years ago that was the best catch I've seen in person.

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 14, 2006 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

I never heard the Robbie Alomar story: do tell.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One day he'll sign his autograph

with an H.O.F.

but it will mean "Hall of Flame."

(Honestly, I am NOT a brokebackaphobe!)

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 14, 2006 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see. . . .

I wish I could quit him.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Coffee....through the nose.... hahahahaha!!

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh man

doesn't that hurt? I had hot coffee through the nose once, felt like i needed to put an ice cube in my nostril.

2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Apr 14, 2006 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that I know of

on Edmonds--although it wouldn't surprise me--the closet tends to make people testy. Mostly it was just a general unpleasantness to be around, and Disney put waaay too much emphasis on "character" at the expense of "talent" around this time. Ironically, this was one of the reasons they signed Mo Vaughn.

I've heard the Robbie Alomar rumors. I think the general gossip is that that infamous magazine article that lead to Mike Piazza's denial of his homosexuality was actually about Alomar, not Piazza, which makes sense because the author said he "wasn't the biggest star on the team but a name you would recognize." Piazza was the biggest star on the team, so it became a weird Seinfeld episode when people thought it was him.

Some thoughts on this. One, if Robbie is gay, I hope he goes the Billy Bean route and becomes completely honest about the whole experience. I think it would enhance his HOF chances rather than hinder them--might make people forget about the spitting incident.

Secondly, if Robbie isn't gay, I hope the actual player comes open about it when he's ready.

Finally, I think it is absolutely weird that the two athletes who've publicly denied being gay, Mike Piazza and Jeff Garcia, both went out and married Playboy Playmates. OK guys, we get it. You're heterosexuals. But just because someone says you're too skinny, you don't need to go have dinner at William "the Refrigerator" Perry's house every night.

Baseball can be summed up in one word--you never know--Joaquin Andujar

by Josh77 on Apr 14, 2006 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mmm, if only

Hey, I'd eat dinner there...

by dustyisdonnie on Apr 14, 2006 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hate edmonds

but i like rolen, i still wish the cubs would have gone after him. before he started getting hurt, he was one of the most complete, professional baseball players in the game. i would love to have him on my team.

by tomas21 on Apr 14, 2006 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

Rolen is an excellent player. Pujols is the best though. I would kill to have him on my team.

Cubbie Blue always sPaRkLes in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Apr 14, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gold Gloves

How can any respectable Cubs fan seriously question Edmonds' gold gloves? He's not the fielder he used to be, even Cardinals fans admit that. But he still gets a better jump on the ball than almost anyone in baseball and goes back on the ball better than anyone (surely you've seen how shallow he plays). He's winning gold gloves on reputation now, but he's still a well above average fielder. Meanwhile, nobody says a peep when Maddux wins his gajillionth gold glove in a row -- let's all be honest with ourselves, the man is 40, he's not the best fielding pitcher in the league anymore, he simply doesn't move well enough. Using your distaste for Edmonds' personality as a bridge to criticizing his hardware is just plain fanboyish.

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He just seems

to go to great lengths to purposefully exaggerate his plays. Sure, if you time it right so that you'll be forced to dive, it will look like a spectacular play. (Think A League of Their Own when they are going out of their way to get more publicity) He has every ability to effortlessly shag those balls, but he makes it look pretty. Actually, come to think of it, add a red wig and the Geena Davis resemblance is striking!

He's a little more ego than substance, if you ask me. Not to say he's not talented, which he most definitely is. Just a little heavy on the drama. Baseball has enough as it is, right now.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

take a dive, jimmy

I dunno, the rep that Edmonds has with a lot of folks is that he intentionally botches his jumps and routes to the ball to enable his Gary Matthews-style circus catches; I'd debate your assertions that he gets a great jump on the ball.

From the Baseball Prospectus 'Atlanta Braves Drinking Game': "Drink when Andruw Jones camps under a ball Jim Edmonds couldn't get close to." He might be a plus fielder, but wouldn't sniff the award if there weren't three outfield spots.

by dustyisdonnie on Apr 14, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahah

whatever- edmonds is a fine fielder but half of his sportscenter momemnts are him diving for balls where he didnt need to and say what you will Maddux wins those gloves because NO ONE fields that positon better

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

laugh it up

Based on what? He makes the routine plays? The gold glove is SUPPOSED to be for the most exceptional fielder at his position each year, not the guy who's been doing his job out there for 18 years. I'm being quite literal and honest when I say that I get off the mound better than Maddux does. Edmonds is a fine fielder, not an amazing one anymore. Maddux is a fine fielder, not an amazing one anymore. See where I'm going with this?

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's all relative

He's still amazing, especially for his age.

I don't think you could get off the mound better, it's just that your bones probably crack a little less when you do.

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh right, I forgot, it's all relatve

Since it's all relative, where are all of Paul Abbott's gold gloves? He had ONE HAND and fielded his position adequately. Relatively speaking, he may have been the greatest fielder of all time.

It's not all relative, stop kidding yourself. It's supposed to be able who is the best.

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok then

who is better?

bring him out and then compare his stats to maddux's

http://www.tatteredcoat.com/archives/2005/08/26/caption-this-photo-64/

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stats?

Uh, reliable defensive stats don't exist. Basic defensive stats (FPCT, RF, ZR) say Tim Hudson was better last year, across the board. Derek Lowe, too. Don't play stupid, defensive stats don't mean much for pitchers.

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

alright

you keep living in your world where you field hard grounders and react to them as quick as maddux

there isnt anypoint in arguing with that kind of delusion

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

all those shots back to the mound that he backhands without breaking a sweat. He looks so cool when he does that.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cool?

Last time I checked, looking cool wasn't one of the categories. Remember how you're all condemning Edmonds for looking cool unnecessarily?

And in case you mean the other version of "cool," and while Maddux is a crafty old fox, I can't remember the last time I saw a pitcher catch a hard grounder back to him and jump for joy or bawl his eyes out. Everyone is cool when they field the ball (with the possible exception of Zambrano, who has been known to flip the ball between his legs, I believe).

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think I implied

that "cool" comes into consideration in the golden glove voting, did I? But thanks for jumping all over me. That's always nice first thing when you get home from work.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he

is a cardnial fan you think he http://www.tatteredcoat.com/archives/2005/08/26/caption-this-photo-64/ knows how to treat a lady?

http://www.tatteredcoat.com/archives/2005/08/26/caption-this-photo-64/

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah

I didn't realize that at first and was wondering why one of my cubbie brethern was flying into a rage over Maddux's defense.

Cruising enemy blogs? Uncool.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, I disagree...

... I read other teams' blogs all the time. Worthwhile info on many of them. I happen to like Viva El Birdos -- it's well written and Larry, the proprietor, is a good guy.

Even though he's a Cardinals fan.

by Al on Apr 14, 2006 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean

cruising and picking fights over the greatness of our hall of fame pitcher. I visit other sites, too, but not to stir up trouble.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh.

Now, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

by Al on Apr 14, 2006 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And thanks

for the photos, it's now the wallpaper on my laptop.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The thing is

What pitcher is BETTER than Maddux at fielding? I can't think of any that are even close. (There might be some, but none come to MY mind.) I can think of several OF'ers that are better than Edmonds - or that even Cardinal fans have to agree are in the same ballpark.

Sure, Edmonds can do some spectacular stuff. See above where I said that he made the best catch I ever saw. But I don't think there's any question that he makes things look much more difficult than they are. The exact opposite of Andrew Jones.

"At the end of the day, don't tell me how rough the waters are... just get the ship into port." - Stoney

by BCurt10 on Apr 14, 2006 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds

reminds me of this soccer goalie I knew once, who would catch the ball with two hands, THEN dive.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Apr 14, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is baloney, Al

You've completely misrepresented Edmonds' remarks here. After Wednesday night's game, I watched the postgame interview of him at his locker on Fox Sports Midwest. One of the reporters asked him about the ball that Prince Fielder hit over his head, on which Edmonds almost made a spectacular over the shoulder catch. He was running full out with his back to home plate. Alas, he couldn't hang to the ball.

Edmonds noted that he had initially misjudged the ball because the lack of any stadium behind him means that there isn't the same crack off the bat as he got in the old stadium. He said that maybe he's just getting old, though, and that the new ballpark would take some getting used to, but he and the others would have to make that adjustment.

by Lance on Apr 14, 2006 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe...

... but then, the original writer misinterpreted, because what I put in the diary was exactly what was in the article.

The point was, a standup guy would have just said, "Hey, I messed up, and I take responsibility."

Instead he tried to blame the stadium and the grass, and that's just wrong.

by Al on Apr 14, 2006 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

they are already talking about this at viva el birdos -- edmonds is a world class asshole, trapped in the closet R. Kelly style and should be on VH1 Baseball Diva's

there isnt anything nice to say about him

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How clever of you

to call Edmonds a homosexual. Next, you'll say that he's fat and that you have a better locker location than he does.

Tell me that you wouldn't have taken his production in the Cubs' lineup these past six years.

by Lance on Apr 14, 2006 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh no

we just have a brokeback theme today. We wish we could quit it...

she

by Sarah Hope on Apr 14, 2006 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

go back

to viva el birdos

and get ready for the next time we sweep you

and btw i dont blame edmonds for being a jerk completly-- when you have an asshat like La "Genius" Russa it leads to the kind of players you guys have

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

However...

... I would ask you to stop using derogatory terms like "asshat" and suggesting people are "gay", as if that is also a derogatory term.

There's plenty of room for legitimate discussion on this topic without the name-calling.

Thanks.

by Al on Apr 14, 2006 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

gay isnt bad- i could care less if he is, its just something ive heard prolly not true

about tony

i take nothing back i think that phrase fits his bald head just fine

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check your email, please.

n/t

by Al on Apr 14, 2006 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i

emailed you back

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just a thought

You're a world class fan, eh?

You've heard Edmonds is gay? Well I've "heard" that you're gay. Oh, is that insulting? Well, it's just something I heard...you mock like a sixth grader. Grow up.

You're taking the side of the Cubs fans in this argument (if you can call it that) and not making them look too great.

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

so im gay

rarrr
im steamed

look to me being called gay isnt a big deal- to get super pissed either means you are gay or your a raging homophobe

Regardless- its something i shouldnt have done because its agasint the rules here

so why dont you anwser my question about maddux and then crawl back to your st. louis blog

http://www.tatteredcoat.com/archives/2005/08/26/caption-this-photo-64/

by ksucubbie on Apr 14, 2006 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

I answered your question about Maddux, and I was being sarcastic about your reference to gay -- you getting steamed about it is amusing, though. The point was that you "hearing" Edmonds is gay is no more reliable than me "hearing" that you're gay, and also equally irrelevant and childish.

And yes, I'm a raging homophobe, that's why I'm living with a gay guy at school next year.

I'm as entitled to be here as you, by the way. I'm not crawling anywhere, I read both blogs because I've lived on the North Side my whole life and I go to school in St. Louis. Your elitism is funny, however.

by mojowo11 on Apr 14, 2006 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs