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The Cubs have apparently acquired Phil Nevin from the Rangers. He'd better be able to play first base, because otherwise, the Cubs just got a DH, which they really can't use except for six games next month.

The only online reference I can find is the Dallas Morning News site, which has an "Alert" running at the top of the site.

If I can find out more I'll post it.

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man this is awful news.. Nevin has not hit over .240 in Texas and absolutely blows he is a DH he cannot play defense.. and will be nothing more than an overpaid (11 mil the rest of the year) pinch hitter.. what the hell are we thinking.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You sound like Ron Santo!
But I agree. This borders on bizarre, unless the Cubs can get the Rangers to pick up most of the contract, and only if what's given up is marginal prospects.

Nevin's last good year was 2004. I suppose he could play first base.

He used to catch, although he hasn't done it since 1999 (except for two games last year and one in 2004).

I dunno what to think. I stress this is NOT confirmed -- the only link I have is the Dallas Morning News thing.

by Al on May 31, 2006 2:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like Santo too..
heartbroken and dejected. Excuse me while I go take it out on my puppy.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why? Why? Why?
Why? Why? Why? Why?
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 2:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See.. this is what you get..
Everyone who wanted the Cubs to do something this is all your fault... I hate you all. That is all

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a load of crap
and you know it. There's a difference between resting on your laurels, or doing something smart, or doing something stupid.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No fight
I'm just saying that this isn't "what you get for wanting them to make a move." That's just stupid.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 2:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was just kidding.
Sorry, I'm in a silly mood today
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 2:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes..
the smart thing to do is inaction.

I believe it was here. There was no one available that could turn the Cubs around. No one wanted to deal an Abreu or a Sheffield or someone whom could actually make an impact and turn this season around. Hendry did the right hting by doing nothing and seeing what his team could muster.   Doing this now of all times is stupid and ill-sighted.. That my friend is the bullshit

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't agree at all
but we've had this discussion before.

All I'm saying is that the Cubs could have made a much smarter move, if this is in fact true. Granted, waiting is better than getting Nevin, but we could have done better.

"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 2:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like Whom?
and be realistic about it.. and then look at what you have to give up to get that player.. is it really worth it sir?

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First of all...
what's with the "sir"?

Second of all, trading for a 1B is borderline insanity anyways, with Lee coming back soon and Walker/Mabry ready to step in if need be. If you're going to make a move, I say you look to improve the outfield. I wouldn't have been against trading for prospects, I really wouldn't have.

"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was being respectful as the tone
in my previous posts may have been a bit harsh.  

I agree it is insanity but the other options were

  • Tony Clark
  • JT Snow
  • Jeff Conine
And they all suck

So does Nevin but you really cannot improve our OF as is.. Unless you make a BIG splash.. Jones is hitting the ball fairly well I don't like his OBA but the .279 avg is fairly solid.  Murton has a .280 AVG with a .350 OBA..

Pierre? Are you saying deal for a CF not with Pie shortly in the wings..

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right
the other options suck, but the right combo of prospects would, in my opinion, be enough to pry any of those three OF away. (At least if it were my call.)

Plus, we've been talking all season about trying to get Pierre up to a point where he would be at least semi-attractive trade bait. Who knows when Pie is going to make the move up...it may be this season, it may not be.

"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But you are missing the point..
you are giving up a certainty for an uncertainty..

We know that those players suck and that they will provide no results..

We don't know that in two years from now that any of the prospects that we might have kept could be something.. We do a horrible job of managing our farm so chances are they will flop like Conine and Snow etc etc.. But we cannot just sell for some bum veteran every time we have an injury.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm talking
trading FOR prospects, not trading AWAY prospects.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You lost me..
the other options suck, but the right combo of prospects would, in my opinion, be enough to pry any of those three OF away. (At least if it were my call.)

Didn't you say we should use our prospects to pry away those crummy IF?

I would have been much happier if the Cubs went out and tried to steal Ryan Shealy from the Rockies... Who can hit but is trapped behind Todd Helton. But no.. we deal for.. Phil I have a BA of under .210 Nevin.

Great. Wake me when he gets his first hit as a Cub.. it should be about a week ro so

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry
What I meant was that if any team were to offer the right combo of prospects to the Cubs, I'd be willing to give up Jones, Murton or Pierre for those prospects.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I checked Baseball Reference and
turns out that as recently as 2003 Nevin has played OF. Specifically, in that year, 29 games in RF. He's also played there in the past.

Having said that, I feel like playing him there would be a total disaster, kind of like Keith Moreland with less range.

This is a move that makes no sense at this time, with Lee returning in the next few weeks. This might have made more sense the first week that Lee was out, but now doesn't seem to be the time to bring in someone who basically is going to end up as a PH. Things like this really add fuel to the fire and make me wonder what exactly is Hendry looking at when he's constructing his team.

by Bill M on May 31, 2006 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no way should
Nevin get stuck in the OF. Completely agreed.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yabbut...
... think about this.

Nevin is .298/.384/.553 lifetime vs. lefties. POUNDS them.

Why couldn't he play RF on occasion vs. lefties? He could NOT possibly be worse than Jones out there.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on occasion, yes
But if you're asking me to ditch one of the three starters for him on a permanent basis, I would say no way.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that is simply
dumb and you know it.
...the artist formerly priorpwnz.

by Faith plus 1 on Jun 1, 2006 7:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How so?
It is foolish to think that Hendry doesn't get a general sense of urgency from his fanbase.. The sense of urgency that is pervasive rather than say okay maybe we need to look at our plan and formulate trades that fit along with our plan rather than just make a trade for trade's sake.

That is what Hendry did made a trade for the sake of making one. Congratulations. Now we will see the results of the said bitching.

by cubsfan2883 on Jun 1, 2006 1:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
May 31 fools!!!!!!!

Oh, that's a good one!  Ohhhh....  Oh, man... Oh, you got me there.

...right?

Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 2:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The big bat
we were all looking for! Where is Juan Gonzalez?

by wicubfan on May 31, 2006 2:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D-Lee is almost...
coming back though.  I'm confused.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 31, 2006 2:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe not as soon
as they've been indicating.  That June 13 date was set out in the beginning as a best case scenario, two weeks after the cast was to be removed.  Maybe they have reason to believe it might be longer.  That, or they're planning on platooning him with Muurton once Lee returns.

by pwhalen on May 31, 2006 3:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had Phil Nevin in my Real GM league..
He was a FA this year as his option was declined by the Padres.. (Roster Freeze in 05')   I signed him for a 3 year league minimum deal and capitialized on his success by shipping him as a focus to the Philies.  

At the time of the trade he was hitting .250/.345  since the trade he is now hitting .208/.305

Tell me how this is a good trade?

Anyone ? Anyone? Bueller?

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stats
SEASON     TEAM     G     AB       R           H     2B     3B     HR     RBI     BB     SO     SB     CS     AVG     OBP     SLG     OPS
2006         Tex         46     176     26     38     8       0       9     31       21       39        0     0     .216     .307     .415     .722

This is nothing short of HORRIBLE.  I wonder what we gave up for this pinch hitter?

by Woodstock on May 31, 2006 2:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bynum
.217/.250 Can be useful as a pinch runner.

Nevin .205/.305 can be useful as a fathead.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd take that.
If you think the Rangers are dumb enough to take By-numb.
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or Neifi
Oh boy this could be a good trade after all.

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The scary part is...
... that the HR, RBI and BB totals would LEAD ALL CUBS. (HR: tied, BB: tied)

by Al on May 31, 2006 2:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....
..he has a better BA, OBP, and more HRs/RBI than Neifi and Hariston COMBINED.  At least now Walker can get back to 2nd.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh....
or maybe we can trade them one of our starting pitching prospects who can go on to have an amazing year pitching for the Rangers...

oh wait...

Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 2:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, you mean Koronka?
The guy who gave up 11 hits and 7 ER to the Mariners in 2.2 IP today? Whose ERA is now 4.87?

Yeah, that guy.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ouch
didn't see that.   ouch.
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's a link to the article
with more details.  
Apparently, the Rangers will eat most the $6 million remaining in salary for this year.
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 2:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More detail

ARLINGTON -- Just shy of the season's one-third mark, the Rangers ended the Phil Nevin experiment Wednesday afternoon.

A week after Nevin lost his job to rookie Jason Botts, the club was putting the final touches on a deal with the Chicago Cubs, a pair of Rangers sources said. No further details of the deal were available. The Rangers are expected to pick up a significant portion of the $6 million remaining on Nevin's salary. They are not expected to receive a significant player in return. here is a long quotation here is a long quotation


From the article.  Well, at least we didn't give anybody up according to the article.

And, if we don't pay much, that's a better deal.

by Woodstock on May 31, 2006 3:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See below
Jerry Hairston, JR.  I guess not a huge loss.
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First this, what's next?
Lawton was made a free agent a few days ago - let's bring him in as well.

by airweino on May 31, 2006 3:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He can catch a little bit while Barrett is out
as well.
"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on May 31, 2006 3:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true, but...
... at least there will be someone on the roster with actual major league catching experience while Barrett is suspended.

Hairston for Nevin, with the Rangers eating the salary? Not bad. I'll take it.

And if Nevin hits, once Lee is back, there might be AL teams lined up to pick him up in July.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He actually caught 2 games
last year

career stats, scroll down for fielding info

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on May 31, 2006 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not bad?
Wouldn't you say this is a pointless trade?  This reeks of rearranging the deck chairs.  

And why even bother?  To show the fanbase that they're making an effort?  

With this salary addition this could be one of the worst 100 million dollar teams in history.

by Peoria Matt on May 31, 2006 3:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deck chairs

This organization isn't rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, they are rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg!

(shamelessly stolen from Stephen Colbert)

by salparadise23 on May 31, 2006 5:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't wait for the comparisons
6 months down the road showing how much better JHJ started playing after he was traded.
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 31, 2006 3:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha
I'll take it, give us a real bat off the bench once lee comes back.

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 3:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Contract info...
Phillip Joseph Nevin: 4-year deal worth 34M thru 2006 season- + he will make 5M in 03 2003, 8.5M in 2004, $9,492,689 in 2005 and 10M in 2006- + he will receive a 2M deferred signing bonus (considered a buyout) on Jan. 15th, 2007 (bonus is paid by SD)- + he has a complete NO-TRADE clause in '03, '04, but in 2005 and 2006 NO-TRADE clause is limited to 8 teams (SEA, BAL and the NYM are among those teams and TEX and SD are not) that he can veto trade to, thus the team is only free to trade him without his discretion to the 21 teams- + had he remained with the Padres, he would have regained full NO-TRADE powers as a 10-5 player in June 2006
Agent: Barry Axelrod Service Time: 9.113

If they are paying 6 mil.. and you stretch that 10 mil out.. They pay him 2 mil over the rest of the year.. which is equivalent to what you owe Hairston.. This is a bad deal IMO ..  

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see this as world ending
Nevin can play first, and as someone else mentioned, Walker moves back to 2nd.

The benefit tends to be on the peripheral. Nevin IS a power threat and could offer some protection for ARam who is showing signs of life.

Plus, it allows the Cubs to not rush Lee. If he comes back before he's ready, he might change his swing to compensate, etc, and then there's more of a problem. Plus, Lee may need a day off or two at least in the early going.

Depends on how much salary the Rangers keep and what players are involved.

If it gets Womack off the roster somehow, even better.

by Scott on May 31, 2006 3:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree..
..Nevin is pricy, but it is decent insurance in case Lee takes longer to heal.  And Walker can get back to 2nd so Neifi won't have to drop any more relay throws and then overthrow the plate.  Plus, its nice to see another piece of Sosa leaving the team (albeit a small one) in getting rid of JHJ.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If anyone needs me..
I will be burning Jim Hendry in effigy in my front lawn.. Feel free to join me

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow...
I think I'm gonna have to go get a beer after that one....i don't think the mental image is ever gonna go away
Whiskey is the key that sets the monkey free.

by Foley on May 31, 2006 9:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is pathetic
Nevin is through.....2, 3 years ago...OK. Now -- he's a strike-out machine, and still needs more anger management classes.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2006 3:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well..
Barrett and Nevin should get along just fine then eh?

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!
Post of the day!

Seriously, if the Rangers are in fact eating a "significant" part of Nevin's salary, I don't have a problem with this. He's a free agent at the end of this year, and won't be retained.

Hairston was pretty useless, and I don't see him playing much in Texas, with Kinsler at 2B, and Mench and Wilkerson at the corner OF spots. Don't worry about him "haunting" us.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better than nothing
I'm with Al on this.  Nevin costs very little, under these terms.  And I think he'll be more of a tradeable commodity in a couple months, if need be. (Not great, but better than Hairston.)

by Seamer on May 31, 2006 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevin to start tonite?
you think the Cubs and the city of Chicago will fly him in and give a police escort to Wrigley a-la Doug Mirabelli?
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 3:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he might need a police escort to keep the
fans from ripping him apart due to steroid induced rage..

Oh wait it was him that might have used.. I retract my previous statement

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 3:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now the "Alert" is...
Isolated thunderstorms are moving slowly west on the edge of Dallas-Fort Worth along a line from Bonham southwest to Granbury. The storms are capable of pea-sized hail and gusty winds.

Guess getting Jerry Hairston Jr. really isn't that exciting in Texas.

Nevin is an upgrade...hate to say it but he is. Hopefully he finds his power again...

Squished by the fish...can it get any worse?

by bergs55 on May 31, 2006 3:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As noted above...
... his nine HR would be tied with Aramis for the Cubs' club lead.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ever since MLB started testing for steroids
Nevin hasn't been a good player.  Hmm...  look at his career line, very Caminiti like.  I always suspected him.  Now if we can just get Dusty to resist the temptation to sit Walker in favor of {shudder} Womack it won't be all bad.  But you know how that will turn out......  Nevin is better than nothing, Hairston is better than Womack, Walker is better than both of them.  I don't know where I'm going there, just saying...

by pageian on May 31, 2006 3:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its for Hairston!!!
Nevin for JHJ... according to the score

Well, Dusty hates Hairston so he gets I guy who can't really play NL baseball anymore...

Git 'er done!

by KChiCubs on May 31, 2006 3:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?
Why do we always have to be the stupid team?
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 3:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is this stupid?
It may not be the greatest trade ever made, but it does get rid of a useless spare part to get someone who MIGHT hit for a bit of power.

That's all this is.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
We traded from a position of (relative) strength to get something that may help us.  If he hits he might be worth a win or two until DLee gets back.  No matter how you look at it I can't see it as a true negative, maybe not a positive but certainly not a negative since it only cost us Hairston.  Nevin isn't good anymore but he gives us an option that Hairston didn't.

by pageian on May 31, 2006 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree Al...
The people who are getting all bent out of shape are doing it solely because they don't like Hendry/Dusty, etc..

We don't need 5 2B's, and we do need a power hitter.  Nevin had great years consistently from 99-04 (when healthy), why not give him a shot?  The worst that could happen is he ends up being a pinch hitter with at least SOME power.  The only thing Hairston has over Nevin is a good glove at 2B and OF.

by ontheuptick on May 31, 2006 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly!
People have bitched about having 5 2B's.

Hendry gets rid of one and gets someone who MIGHT help, and people bitch again.

Which is it, then?

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For me
its more of a general frustration that there really aren't a whole lot of trades avaiable, the Cubs are obviously not willing to give up the players with value, and its not like you can get another Lee for JHJ

the trade probably makes sense for both teams if looked at rationally, but my objective view went out the window about 3 weeks ago.

"In this life there are nothing but possibilities."

by flyball on May 31, 2006 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know...
we had lots of people at second, so that was good.

But why exactly do we want him? Is he going to be a pinch hitter(btw, is Mabry OK? Haven't seen him in a while)?  Is he going to platoon with Jacque?  Is he good enough defensively and offensively to do that?  Or do we not care because we are desperate? Lee is almost coming back, so I don't get it. I hope he gets hot and is traded away soon.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 31, 2006 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why
are you guys jumping all over me? Did you miss the 70 posts complaining about this deal before mine? Jeesh.

Though I'm not sorry to see Hairston go, I am sorry that we are getting Phil Nevin for him. Blech. And, he's hitting .216 and lost his starting job to a rookie.

At least we could always fall back on the argument about Hairston's range.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...
When you're wrong, you're wrong.  Everyone on here is just bitching to bitch, just like Al said.  You chimed in, so your disapproval is just as ridiculous as the others.

by ontheuptick on May 31, 2006 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice attitude
I'm not allowed to voice my disapproval on this site?

If we're talking about being ridiculous, your "Hairston should be playing instead of Walker" diary back when Walker was hitting .450 takes the cake.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think
everyone's "bitching just to bitch", nor is everyone who disapproves with this move necessarily wrong. Look at it objectively once.

Could we afford to part with one of these seventeen thousand 2Bs? Yes.

SHOULD we go after Phil Nevin for one of those 2Bs? THAT answer is up for grabs.

I don't think anyone is denying we have too many 2Bs, but that also doesn't mean that we should just take whomever for one.

"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,
not exactly bitching to bitch.  These are hard times and this is not exactly the solution any of us were hoping for.  Baker has once again used his social security card to gain access to a less than stellar athlete.  It's frustrating.

But it isn't the end of the world either.  No one will argue that the jump from AL to NL couldn't hurt, although it's not guaranteed it will do any good.  Let's just wait and see.  

Deep breaths everyone.  Deep cleansing breaths...

Hey, and grab a broom!  We're about to sweep the Reds!

Dunn's thoughts: "Grrr, playing in rain hard.  Fall down and go boom. Dunn want astroturf.  Wet grass make Dunn's toes itchy. Mean Cubs do rain dance to make Dunn have itchy toe."

she

by Sarah Hope on May 31, 2006 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO
That Dunn bit never gets old.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 3:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It really doesn't.
I made a Dunny Funny!

Dunn make fire to dry socks.  Ivy scare Dunn.  Ivy look at Dunn and make faces.  Devil lives in Ivy, takes balls from Dunn.  What ground rule double?  Dunn no understand.

she

by Sarah Hope on May 31, 2006 3:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahahaha
more more more!!
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 3:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's a great shot
of Dunn giving Griffey the cold shoulder.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/041104/20774_512.jpg

Dunn:  Grrrrrrriffey steal Dunn's thunder.  Want Griffey OUT!

Griffey:  C'mon guys.  Slap hands!!

she

by Sarah Hope on May 31, 2006 4:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And let's move on to
whiny boy Austin Kearns.

http://www.pacbellpark.com/images/2005/02/22/hjnRdPcm.jpg

Kearns:  I wanted to play second base.  Freel always get the good bases and the tequila shots between innings.  Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!  I miss Margy!! Whaaaaaa!!!  Somebody punched me in the face.  Whaaaaaa!!!! I got hit in the wrist with a pitch.  Whaaaa!!!!!!! I struck out again.  Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

she

by Sarah Hope on May 31, 2006 4:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re
I'm with you on this one, Al.  It's obviously not a big trade, but it's an incremental improvement for the team in that the Cubs now have a player on the bench that can play 1st when DLee needs a break (no pun intended - rimshot) and it provides a power hitter off the bench, which the Cubs simply don't have, but desperately need.

And for a team with 5 2nd basemen, it's about time they started selling the market they cornered.

by Jed Taylor on May 31, 2006 10:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More Nevin stats...
... lifetime at Wrigley Field: .282/.341/.590, 7 HR in 78 AB.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you..
..do a split for his Wrigley stats with/without dianabol? (tounge in cheek)
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tongue in cheek?
Shouldn't that be needle in cheek
Replace the ivy with hemlock

by jc60625 on May 31, 2006 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aahhhh.....
these stats brought me back to the Jeff Blauser acquistion.......

by Peoria Matt on May 31, 2006 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reasons
why this trae was made

Rangers- with today's Astros announcement they wanted to remain in the Texas press, and they knew this would be a bigger story than some old guy coming back to pitch

Cubs- JHJ was cheering for the White Sox during the recent interleague series, and has been dancing around the clubhouse singing about how great they are doing, Hendry knew he needed to get him out of town before Barrett beat the crap out of him and was suspended another 10 games

hey, its the only thing that makes sense

"In this life there are nothing but possibilities."

by flyball on May 31, 2006 3:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How the other side sees it:
Lone Star Ball says about Hairston:
That's kind of weird...he's sort of like a cross between Freddy Guzman and D'Angelo Jimenez, without really being as good as either one of those guys.

Exactly.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

remember 2003?
when the Cubs traded for Jose Hernandez? and everybody was tearing their hair out until JH went out and got ARam and Lofton? Maybe this is another one of those?

by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2006 3:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless....
The notoriously "honest" word about Cubs injuries is wrong about the timetable for Lee's return.

by BadGuy on May 31, 2006 3:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least the boo-birds
will escape Jones for Nevin -- but ol' Phil will flip them the bird and then we will be done with him.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2006 3:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all depends on the money...
If the Rangers are paying the bulk of Nevin's contract, this isn't a bad deal. It's not a great deal either, but if all the Cubs are losing is Jerry Hairston, it's worth a shot to see if Nevin can regain his stroke in a return to the National League. He did play 71 games at 1B last season for the Padres, with a Rate2 of 99 - just below league average - so I think the worries about his defense are a little overblown. As others have noted, he has some catching experience in case of an emergency, and he's also played 3B and RF (albeit several years ago). He'd be a defensive liability anywhere, but not a huge one at 1B.
Offensively, he's been bad this season. The Cubs have to to hope that he can at least get back to hitting like he did last season - here's his park-adjusted line for San Diego in 2005 (remember Petco is an extreme pitchers park):

AVG/OBP/SLG
266/311/418

That's not very good, but it's better than Neifi, Hairston, or Womack (despite his hot start), and that's who Nevin would replace in the lineup, with Walker shifting back to 2nd. Like many have said on this blog before - it doesn't take much to improve offensively on the second basemen the Cubs have been running out there.
All in all, this is more of a sideways move than anything, with the potential for a small upgrade offensively. Maybe Nevin can borrow some of Womack's "new Cub" pixie dust until Lee returns.

by mportsch on May 31, 2006 3:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either way..
..the Cubs won't make the playoffs.  Been watching Astros-Cards all afternoon and one of them will def win the divison.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So the Rangers turned
the high expectations of Chan Ho Park into JHJ.  How's that for quality decision making and team management.  See, we aren't the only team that makes bad decisions.  Of course, maybe the Rangers are better off with JHJ than either Chan Ho or Nevin but it's sure cost them a lot of money to find out.

by pageian on May 31, 2006 3:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So
all we did was get rid of one of our thirty mediocre second baseman and got a mediocre 1B/OF in return.

Hairston wasn't going to be a significant contributer to the Cubs, and the Rangers are apparently paying most of Nevin's contract.  He can play first until Lee gets back, and then fill in for Jones against lefties and spell Lee occasionally.  If it doesn't work out, we cut his ass and all we're out is Jerry Hairston Jr.

This isn't a great or brilliant move that's going to save the season, but it's hardly a blunder.  Would have been better if we'd have made the move a month ago and hoped Nevin caught fire or something.

Still, it's something and it only cost us the mediocre Hairston.  (Although I still think it's funny we got the better end of the Sosa trade, even with how bad Hairston is, he's still in the game.)

by Josh77 on May 31, 2006 3:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In effect
Who'd you rather have on 5/31/2006: Phil Nevin or
Sammy Sosa? I can't say this is terrible.

by BruceR on May 31, 2006 3:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This isn't a bad move...
Hairston was doing nothing. At least Nevin brings some added power to the team. Jim Hendry is doing what he can with what he has.

Who else did you expect to get for JHJ? Nevin really isn't that bad of a pickup...

Squished by the fish...can it get any worse?

by bergs55 on May 31, 2006 3:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hairston
Jerry was hitting just over the Mendoza line.  Nevin at least has some pop, 9 HR's and 31 RBI's.  Can anyone on our club compete with those numbers?

Not a great, season changing deal, but we are better off.

by wesmac75 on May 31, 2006 3:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Rangers..
..are currently playing Seattle in the top of the 9th.  Nevin isn't playing but I'm not sure if he is eligible to play tonite.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 3:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevin...
... didn't play for the Rangers in yesterday's game, either. Of course he'd be eligible, it's a matter of whether he could get to Chicago from Dallas in time for the game.

Since this deal was announced about 3:00 Chicago time, you can be sure that Nevin was notified a couple of hours, at least, before that.

If he got on a plane by midafternoon, he could certainly be at Wrigley Field by game time tonight.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But..
..the Ranger's game today started at 1pm Chicago time.  So maybe he was informed, maybe he wasn't.  But isn't there some kind of lineup card of available players that is given at the start of each game?  And if he was on it, he certainly can't be eligible for both that game and the game tonite.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

according to the story
"He was not in the dugout for the afternoon game against Seattle"
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on May 31, 2006 4:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whether he was in the dugout or not...
... is irrelevant.

When the Nomar deal was made, Doug Mientkiewicz was in the Twins' clubhouse. He walked across the hall to the Red Sox' clubhouse, as they happened to be in Minnesota that night, and played for the Red Sox that very day.

by Al on May 31, 2006 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hairston
I believe Hairston has to report to Texas as well before Nevin can play in Chicago.

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine with me
Hairston didn't do much for the Cubs.  We have 97 second basemen, so taking a chance and trading one for a guy Nevin can't hurt.  Got nothing to lose.
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on May 31, 2006 3:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And now
we have 97 first baseman. I just don't understand.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

baseman=basemen
n/t
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Julie....
... I didn't think you were bitching just to bitch... and I do NOT think this deal is the be-all and end-all.

Nevin has his limitations, and he hasn't hit well in two years.

But Hairston was absolutely superfluous on this team, and he had maddening tendencies to do really dumb stuff.

Depending on the financial details, this is probably a slight upgrade, for very little cost.

No actual prospects were harmed in the making of this trade.

by Al on May 31, 2006 3:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

superfluous
Wow! Big word! You done went to college didn't ya?

by pmenadue on May 31, 2006 5:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think..
..looking at the acquisition poll that Al posted shows what the team needs (At least what we think they do): a power hitter (48%) or a high OBP (25%) guy.  I just doubt we would be able to get the latter reasonably for anyone on the team.  The Nevin deal will probably end up being crap for crap, but now we will have 1 fewer non-power hitting/OBP 2nd baseman in the lineup since Walker can now move over.  Yes, Nevin has a junk AVG and strikes out often, but he will SLG better than Neifi/JHJ.  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 31, 2006 4:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted for a second baseman.
Just to be a smartass.
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Jun 1, 2006 2:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,
even playing field with the Reds.  They have 96 second basemen.  Oh no, wait.. we took Womack off their hands...

95 second basemen on the Reds team... 95 second basemen on the Reds team.
If Dusty sees one, older than dirt, 94 second basement on the Reds team.

she

by Sarah Hope on May 31, 2006 3:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you...
I don't understand either.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 31, 2006 4:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop Complaining
I don't see this as such an awful trade. We got D.Lee out for another couple weeks and we have M.Barrett's 10 game suspension coming up. We all would agree that we can't consistantly throw Hank White out there and expect to win. Dusty Baker has said that he won't play G.Soto. So why not trade away JHJ who hasn't really been playing for someone who can step in and give you some pop. He can catch while Barrett's out and he can play first base while D.Lee's out. Would you guys rather have a lineup of both N.Perez/T.Womack and H.Blanco in there for 10 games in a row? Or at least have some sort of power in the lineup with P.Nevin? And it's not as if JHJ was doing much for us on the bench. He wasn't getting playing time over N.Perez or T.Womack and we got Hendry's boytoy F.Bynum as a pinch-runner. All in all this doesn't seem so bad. Especially with Texas picking up the difference in contracts. I'm still not loving Hendry at this moment, but it's a start.

by sweethomechicago on May 31, 2006 3:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe D-Lee Isn't Coming Back As Soon As We Think?
He had his cast removed today...maybe he's not as far along as the Cubs want us to believe? Not that the Cubs would ever lie about an injury...
Squished by the fish...can it get any worse?

by bergs55 on May 31, 2006 3:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i actually like this move...
Nevin has a decent bat, and is much stronger against lefties than righties. Let him play 1st base for the next 2 weeks, then let him be Jacque Jones's platoon partner in RF the rest of the season.

Before you jump all over me with Nevin's horrible fielding in RF, it likely won't be much worse than Jones's to date, and his the difference in his bat and Jones's when a lefty is on the mound will more than make up for it.

I'd put more out there, but i gotta run to a meeting...

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on May 31, 2006 3:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

furthermore...
who's really going to miss JHJ's production?
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on May 31, 2006 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

platoon
Glad someone pointed this out, a platoon partner for Jones will improve the lineup, his stats v. RHs are really pretty good.  At least he has a chance.  Assuming the money isnt bad, which cant imagine it is, I view it as why not...

by shootthemoon on May 31, 2006 5:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey!
Maybe Hendry should call the A's, about one of our other 2B's.

Mark Ellis broke his thumb last night -- out 3 to 6 weeks.

by Al on May 31, 2006 4:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frank Thomas
Would fit nicely on our team right about now.

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 4:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The A's infield
is just falling apart...Crosby, Ellis, Chavez...
"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 4:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey!
Maybe they'd take Neifi!

by Al on May 31, 2006 4:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al, you crazy.
NOBODY wants N@!f!

Or WOULD they....(insert evil cackle here)

"People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw." -Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by elscorcho0682 on May 31, 2006 4:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hendry
If he traded Rusch, Ne!f! and Bynum for a bag of dirt and some popsicles right now it would probably go down as the best trade he ever made.

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the best trade ever
there was a Schaumburg Flyers pitcher Nigel(best known for his role in Bud commercials as Leon the guy who would do anything for a buck) that got traded for a pallet of beer on May 1st

http://www.northernleague.com/transactions/

one of the guys said that was a lot of beer and could probably last them 2 weeks

"In this life there are nothing but possibilities."

by flyball on May 31, 2006 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well
they are big drinkers, I've seen it in action, those guys can throw em back
"In this life there are nothing but possibilities."

by flyball on May 31, 2006 4:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is my favorite
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=360149&cc=5901

The soccer player being traded for a chunk of meat.  Then the guy retired right after the trade and the meat was supposed to feed the team for a week. Talk about a double whammy.

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hendry!
Trade Neifi for Rich Harden NOW! LOL.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 31, 2006 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevin At Catcher?
Maybe this is a move to help replace Barrett while on suspension? He started out as a catcher and Blanco can't hit his way out of a paper bag...
I'm in heaven...we got Phil Nevin!

by bergs55 on May 31, 2006 4:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In part, yes.
Nevin can't start every day, but I think I'd rather have him as a backup than Geovany Soto, who has played one major league game.

Nevin will also DH in the six interleague games at Cleveland and Minnesota.

by Al on May 31, 2006 4:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you think..
that people run on Barrett now wait till you get Nevin back behind the dish. people will go green light and even Roxanne will not have to put up the red light.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a good day
Anytime one of the many Cubs 2nd basemen is sent packing, and it's NOT Walker, consider it a good day.  

Hopefully the Rangers threw in a time machine so we're getting 2001 Phil Nevin.

"I know what they're doing. They're trying to walk me, but I won't let them." --Jacque Jones

by Jobu on May 31, 2006 4:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more thing.
On Sunday, late in the game, the Cubs' options for a RH bat off the bench were Neifi and Blanco.

I think you'd all agree that Phil Nevin is a better hitter than those two.

by Al on May 31, 2006 4:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevin
But is he as good of a bunter as Neifi?

by akcubfan on May 31, 2006 4:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cmon guys
I know its not anything big, but we gave up NOTHING for him. Jerry Hairston.. that guy is garbage.. Ill take a little sumthin for nothing anyday

by PrimeTime on May 31, 2006 4:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know what...
Since I refuse to address the 30 million points where people attacked Julie and I am just going to make a summation point here.

First of all, some of the same people are calling the kettle black.  Some people bitch about everything from the season is over to I hate Freddy Bynum to anything they can find to complain about.  

The last two weeks that's all that has been done on this site is complaining, whining, and bitching.  For anyone (including myself) to attack someone for voicing their opinion about a trade which is obviously not the greatest.. ( again my opinion) is selfish, short-sighted, and hypocritical..

Sure Nevin may end up being at best 2003 Randall Simon.. and that's fine.  and yes we signed Jerry Hairston's illegitmate brother Tony Womack who can put up Hairston-esque numbers at a fraction of the price.   But do know that Phil Nevin in no way shape or form is a step in the right direction.

What we have here is another HIGH strikeout guy who will clog the bench.  Dusty doesn't want the bases clogged because sometimes he gets lonely when the bases are loaded.. so he clogs the bench instead.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 4:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awww, thanks man.
I agree with everything you said.

Hey--do you think we could get Brian Giles?

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 7:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No...
He might have been a FA but I don't know if he is still available.. this is the guy who plays OF for the Padres though right? are you talking about that Brian Giles or..maybe it was Josh Giles...

Josh Giles??

or perhaps it is Ernest Giles Austrailian explorer...
maybe tell me which Giles you are talking about off of this page here...

Which Giles is it?

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 8:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about
that guy whose brother plays for the Braves?
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 31, 2006 8:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know..
I think he was available what about the guy who was traded to the Padres for Oliver Perez Jason Bay and a prospect..

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 8:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this trade seems good to me
With good reason, folks here have been clamouring about how valuable Craig Wilson would be to the Cubs.

I see Nevin as a "poor man's" Craig Wilson.

He has value in his ability to play all of the corner positions as well as catch.  And while he's not a gold-glover at any of those positions, neither is John Mabry.

And once Lee returns, Nevin might be assigned to face the occassional lefty, which will rest Jacque Jones on those days.

Plus, Nevin helps ease the load caused by Barret's pending 7-10 game suspension.

And while Nevin's batting line isn't great, it is WAY better than what Neifi, Hairston, and Bynum were doing and WILL be better than Womack's production once Tony Womack likely returns to his career norms.

And historically Nevin's been very good against LHPs, who have totally eaten our lunch all year long.

And we only gave up Jerry Hairston Jr., who played himself out of a job and who was not really contributing very much to the team.

As it has been lamented, we already have a number of Second-Basemen.  Neifi is better defensively, Bynum is faster, and Womack is...well...Womack is...more experienced.

At the very least, we have a better hitter coming off the bench than Hairston.  If that fact alone were the only benefit (and it's not), this would be a good deal.

The only way I see this hurting us is if:

  1. It puts Walker on the bench in favor of Nevin and Womack.
  2. Nevin replaces Matt Murton in LF.
And I don't expect either of these to happen.

This move does make our OF defense take a little bit of a hit, as Hairston is likely a better OFer defensively than Nevin.

And-- I'm not sure who the back-up CFer is now.  Bynum?  Neifi?  Womack?  Blanco?  

In all, these seems like a pretty shrewd deal for Hendry.

I'm on board with it.  We'll see how it plays out.

by Romero on May 31, 2006 4:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phil Nevin
does not have enough gas in the tank to play the OF anymore.  He is a John Mabry-esque player.  Congrats we have dealt for a RH John Mabry without the good defense at 1b

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be
Womack.
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Jun 1, 2006 2:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Murton
I just hope Dusty doesn't use this trade as an excuse to sit Murton. I realize Murton's power numbers haven't been extraordinary, and he's been a little shaky at times in the field, but I really like the kid, and think he's going to be the long-term solution in LF. He's on pace to hit about 13 or 14 homers - which isn't great, but I think he'll get his power stroke eventually and be good for 20 or more a year.

by danimal15 on May 31, 2006 4:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AMEN!
Look here's the point if he trade JHJ for a 1000th round draft pick in the year 2099 its better than a 35 year old stop gap who might be able to squat behind the plate, might be able to run down a flyball and might be able to pick up a low throw at first.

Look at the team he went to as a PRIME example Kinsler 24
Texiera 26
Blalock 26
Young 29.5
and Botts 26 (must be too old to be a prospect)
Get young talent anyway anyhow.  Why can other teams be succesful with young talent and the we trade all ours away!!!!!??!?!?!?!??!?

NO MORE TRADING THE FUTURE ITS ALL WE GOT!!!!

by KyCubsFan on May 31, 2006 4:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank God We Have All These Scouts Here
Come on people, let's at least give the guy a chance. I know all the new Nevin Haters think that he is done, that he can't play, but at least give the guy a chance. He is certainly a step up from Walker at 1st, can catch in a pinch, and can certainly still play a corner outfield position. It may be "rearranging the deck chairs" as somebody put it, but I'm not heartbroken about losing JHJ in this deal. He certainly wasn't going to solve any long term problems with the Cubs.
Bring me the head of Rafael Furcal.

by Ross on May 31, 2006 4:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all due respect sir..
please explain how is a "step up" from Walker at 1st.. IMO he is a "step down" from Mabry at 1b..

He is a good hitter gainst LHP.. If thats why Dusty acquired him.. OK I can tolerate that.. but seriously... he is washed up..

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 5:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK
First - he is a real first baseman, not a second baseman with crappy range being slapped in as a stopgap.

Second - he is one year removed from a .289, 26 homer season.

third- They got him for the fourth string second baseman. As a reminder to everyone, Jerry Hairston was neither young, nor likely to be a contributor. He is moving on to a team where he will now be a third string second baseman. Quite a step up.

Four - Acquiring Nevin blocks nobody in the lineup, keeps no kid on the farm, and could provide some pop to the lineup.

The guy IS a bit of headcase and managed to completely psych himself out in San Diego, and I think that carried on to Texas. Now he has a chance to go back into the NL, play in the field and to see what he can do.

I understand, everybody must bitch. It is the god given right as a Cubs fan. But give the man a chance.

Bring me the head of Rafael Furcal.

by Ross on May 31, 2006 5:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

point by Point...
First - he is a real first baseman, not a second baseman with crappy range being slapped in as a stopgap.

He hasn't played 1b in a year and a half since he played 1b with the San Diego Padres last July since being dealt he has DH'ed the entire time with Texas

Second - he is one year removed from a .289, 26 homer season

2 years.. last year he .220 with 12 hrs in split duty between SD and Tex and he has shown no signs of going back to his 2004 form.

This year he is hitting .216 with 9 hrs.. Big whoop.

third- They got him for the fourth string second baseman. As a reminder to everyone, Jerry Hairston was neither young, nor likely to be a contributor. He is moving on to a team where he will now be a third string second baseman. Quite a step up.

Hairston had his 30th birthday 2 days ago.. He now moves to a team where he will be a solid contributor unlike Nevin here.

Four - Acquiring Nevin blocks nobody in the lineup, keeps no kid on the farm, and could provide some pop to the lineup.

Outside of the fact that we could have called up someone with talent to play 1b.. or perhpas not got a guy who is hitting .216 with an OBA that hovers around .300.. yeah.. I know many a minor leaguer that can put up Phil Nevin digits.

The guy IS a bit of headcase and managed to completely psych himself out in San Diego, and I think that carried on to Texas. Now he has a chance to go back into the NL, play in the field and to see what he can do.

I understand, everybody must bitch. It is the god given right as a Cubs fan. But give the man a chance.

Okay I will give him a chance.. He has 6 games.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 5:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was hitting in
Homer hell last year in SD, and then had to adjust to a new league that he'd never played in before.

He played first base for the Padres for the first half of all of last year.  How is that a year and a half ago.  Plus, he got a couple of spot starts there last year, and one this year, while with the Rangers.

Jerry Hairston, Jr sucks.  He will be lucky to be a minor contributor to the Rangers. He's blocked at second by Kinsler and Derosa, and won't see much time in the outfield either.  

Sad thing is, we don't have any minor leaguers that can sniff Nevin's jock right now, and play first base.  Otherwise we would have called one up six weeks ago.  

I mean, we got him for JHJ, and we got them to pick up the difference in dollars.  How is this bad? We have an actual power option off the bench now, and he's costing us the same as one of our shitty second basemen.  If we could have gotten him instead of JHJ in the Sosa deal coming off of that 2004 season, we would have been thrilled.  

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by Whitebacon on Jun 1, 2006 2:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your spin needs work, cubsfan2883
  1. You're wrong about Nevin not playing first base in a year and a half. He was acquired by Texas from San Diego on July 30, 2005, which by any calendar I've looked at lately is less than a year ago -- and he played 71 games with the Padres as a first baseman and 2 as a catcher last season. Nor was he completely a DH as a Ranger; he played three games as a first baseman for Texas last season, one as a first baseman this season, and even got in an inning of work this year as a third baseman for the Rangers.
  2. "Big whoop"? His nine homers and 31 RBIs immediately make him the Cubs leader in both categories. Look, nobody is making Nevin out to be something that he isn't. He's clearly on the downside of his career. But for a Cubs team that has been punchless to the point of desperation this season (last in the majors in slugging percentage, last in the majors in homers) his long-ball capability is at least useful.
  3. Hairston will be "a solid contributor" for the Rangers? Think again, my friend. He'll get even less playing time at 2b for the Rangers behind Ian Kinstler, Mark DeRosa, and D'Angelo Jimenez than he was getting with the Cubs at that position. And the Texas outfield includes two starters that are hitting over .300 (Little Sarge and Kevin Mench) and a guy with a lot more talent than Hairston in Brad Wilkerson. Hairston will get one start a week at best in the Texas outfield.
  4. What Cubs farmhand could the team have called up to play 1b? Micah Hoffpauir? He just got called up to Iowa from West Tenn. He's not ready for the majors yet. Brandon Sing? He's hitting .177 at Iowa. Jeff Deardorff? He's hitting .227 at Iowa. Bring up any of these guys right now, and you'll be throwing them to the wolves. None of them is prepared to hit major-league pitching right now. You may think you know "many a minor leaguer that can put up Phil Nevin digits", but none of them are under contract to the Chicago Cubs.
Lastly, one point that you have yet to address is the fact that Nevin is still an effective hitter against lefties. He's posted .267/.340/.533 numbers this year against southpaws, and we've all seen for ourselves what left-handed pitching has done to Cubs bats this year (.212/.276/.338 as a team).

This trade isn't going to save the Cubs from the ongoing disaster that is the 2006 season, and I don't think anyone's selling it as that here. But it is on balance a good trade, especially since Texas is picking up a large (albeit undisclosed at the moment) chunk of Nevin's salary. The Cubs jettisoned a superfluous part, and they picked up a player that they can use, at least for the moment.

Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Jun 1, 2006 3:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blah blah blah all talk
You're wrong about Nevin not playing first base in a year and a half. He was acquired by Texas from San Diego on July 30, 2005, which by any calendar I've looked at lately is less than a year ago -- and he played 71 games with the Padres as a first baseman and 2 as a catcher last season. Nor was he completely a DH as a Ranger; he played three games as a first baseman for Texas last season, one as a first baseman this season, and even got in an inning of work this year as a third baseman for the Rangers

an Inning.. You are going to bitch about an inning of work.. Hell Jerry Hairston could play an inning at any of the offensive positions.. that must make him valuable.. Furthermore a year and a half.. we are nearly a half of a year into the baseball season this year.. and He lost his job in SD about 3/4 of the way int here.. so would it make you feel better if I said 1.25? Happy?

Didn't think so.

"Big whoop"? His nine homers and 31 RBIs immediately make him the Cubs leader in both categories. Look, nobody is making Nevin out to be something that he isn't. He's clearly on the downside of his career. But for a Cubs team that has been punchless to the point of desperation this season (last in the majors in slugging percentage, last in the majors in homers) his long-ball capability is at least useful

Yeah great.. he has been 3-27 in the last 27 AB's 2 of those were HR's.  This guy was a solid contributor.. 2-3 mo ago he has faded.  Last year his OBA was .287 expect something closer to that.

Hairston will be "a solid contributor" for the Rangers? Think again, my friend. He'll get even less playing time at 2b for the Rangers behind Ian Kinstler, Mark DeRosa, and D'Angelo Jimenez than he was getting with the Cubs at that position. And the Texas outfield includes two starters that are hitting over .300 (Little Sarge and Kevin Mench) and a guy with a lot more talent than Hairston in Brad Wilkerson. Hairston will get one start a week at best in the Texas outfield.

D'Angelo Jimenez will be replaced by Hairston Hairston will be a back up IF/OF.. Which is better than what Nevin can possibly put up here.

3-27 I will remind you of this number throughout the rest of my argument.. you know what 3-27 is.. its 1-9 or .111 Thats a sexy batting average.

What Cubs farmhand could the team have called up to play 1b? Micah Hoffpauir? He just got called up to Iowa from West Tenn. He's not ready for the majors yet. Brandon Sing? He's hitting .177 at Iowa. Jeff Deardorff? He's hitting .227 at Iowa. Bring up any of these guys right now, and you'll be throwing them to the wolves. None of them is prepared to hit major-league pitching right now. You may think you know "many a minor leaguer that can put up Phil Nevin digits", but none of them are under contract to the Chicago Cubs.

I for one think the Cubs 25 man roster and even the 40 man roster is burning players. But thats just me

Right now I would make Neifi the permanent backup SS. Make Walker the permanent 1B with Mabry as a backup and DFA Bynumb and bring up 2b Mike Fontenot.  Who btw is sporting quite a sexy OBA at AAA Iowa.  Go look him up while you are at it.

Lastly, one point that you have yet to address is the fact that Nevin is still an effective hitter against lefties. He's posted .267/.340/.533 numbers this year against southpaws, and we've all seen for ourselves what left-handed pitching has done to Cubs bats this year (.212/.276/.338 as a team).
This trade isn't going to save the Cubs from the ongoing disaster that is the 2006 season, and I don't think anyone's selling it as that here. But it is on balance a good trade, especially since Texas is picking up a large (albeit undisclosed at the moment) chunk of Nevin's salary. The Cubs jettisoned a superfluous part, and they picked up a player that they can use, at least for the moment

See this is where I am the most frustrated.  Right now JHJ could be sent to the Oakland A's for a solid MiL and a marginal one. Trust your scouting director Tim Wilken who is no idiot.  Rather than bring in a bad defensive guy who has hit poorly for average moderately well for power.. who will be a FA at the end of the year.  It is SOUND baseball strategy.  What the Cubs did was put a bandaid on the black k-nigget's flesh wound.   The Black Knight got his arm cut off but claimed it was just a flesh wound. The Cubs are seemingly metaphorically like the black knight.  Wood is his left arm.. Prior the right arm.. Lee both legs.  Without either of those limbs all we are resolved to is.. "I'll bite your leg off"

by cubsfan2883 on Jun 1, 2006 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More bad spin
  1. First of all, I'm not "going to bitch about an inning of work" here and there in the field for Nevin as a Ranger. I'm simply setting the record straight. You said that he was exclusively a DH for the Rangers and that he hadn't played 1b for them, and you were wrong. Second, we aren't "nearly half a year into the baseball season". We aren't even a third of the way into the baseball season. Fifty-four games is the 1/3rd mark; the Cubs have currently played 52 and the Rangers have played 53. Third, Nevin started 70 games at 1b for the Padres last season. Even if he had started the first 70 and then been benched, that would've made him the starting SD first baseman right up until about the third week of June, which is still less than a year ago. Happy? Well, I will be once you've figured out how to read a calendar properly.
  2. Barring injury to one of the Rangers regulars, Nevin will be starting more games as a Cub than Hairston will start as a Ranger. Make book on it. And go ahead and keep reminding me of Nevin's 3-27 slump. In turn I will remind you that Hairston's currently in an 0-21 slump. You know what 0-21 is? It's 0-21, or a .000 batting average. If you think .111 is sexy, you must think that .000 is NC-17 territory.
  3. Your new plan to reconfigure the Cubs roster involves bringing up Mike Fontenot. Fontenot is a 2b/3b, not a 1b. You said that the Cubs could call up a first baseman from the minors that could hit better than Nevin. You've conveniently backed away from that assertion by shifting to Fontenot. But I'm still waiting for you to tell me which Cubs 1b farmhand -- Hoffpauir, Sing, Deardorff, or somebody else -- is the guy who can outhit Nevin in the bigs right now, or at least equal him.
  4. You're still evading the whole matter of Nevin being an effective weapon against southpaws, and the importance of this in light of how anemic the Cubs offense has been against lefthanders.
You say that Hairston could've been sent to Oakland for this player and that player. Where is your evidence? Are you simply engaging in speculation, or wishful thinking? I'm not the world's biggest Hendry fan, but the fact of the matter is that Hairston is a player with pretty limited value. I'm not assuming that Hendry got the best deal he could've for Hairston, but I'm not assuming the opposite, either.
Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Jun 2, 2006 3:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like
how you sarcastically refer to people critcizing the Nevin acquisition as scouts then go on to say that Nevin can certainly still play a corner outfield position.
Replace the ivy with hemlock

by jc60625 on May 31, 2006 5:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
the change back to the National League may be waht Nevin needed. No one mentioned this but many players who change leagues don't make the adjustment. If he comes close to his 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 numbers we got the better of the trade for a 2nd baseman who was not going to play for us as long as Walker and a hot Womack are around. Yes, we'll have to wait and see but for now, this is an upgrade for our team. Let's get behind him and see if he gives us a boost.

by mrcubsfan on May 31, 2006 5:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha
I love some of the sarcasm here (dunn and neifi humor). I think we ned to all lose some of the pessimism (yes I know Hendry is ridiculous) and hope for the best with this. I am in the sure-why-not-get-rid-of-one-of-the-97-2nd-basemen-for-some-possible-pop-off-the-bench-or-platooning- in-right-or-at-first-for-a-while camp.

for everyone going to wrigley tonight, break out the brooms! we're about to sweep the reds and I am watching the game out in AZ on WGN. let me see those brooms!

by coopergillan on May 31, 2006 5:01 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A positive
I think this trade has some definate positive points that are being overlooked.  
  1. If you put Nevin at first you can put Walker back at second and Neifi can do whatever it is he does on the bench.
  2. Dusty can give Murton a day off and still have a righty in the lineup.
  3. Give Jones a day off against lefties, since he hits lefties reasonably well.
  4. Would you rather have Jerry Hairston or Phil Nevin have your back in a bench clearing brawl?

by pmenadue on May 31, 2006 5:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First Womack, now Nevin
How many more castaways will end up on Gilligan's Island, er, I mean the Cubs?

by JFCubFan on May 31, 2006 5:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For a bag of balls or a crusty veteran...

... I'm just glad they got rid of Hairston.  Good riddance.

by salparadise23 on May 31, 2006 5:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well then
trades happen when I fly on planes, scientific fact.  Good luck to Jerry, I always hoped he would have had a Brian Roberts like explosion if he ever had got a regular starting job guess we'll see what Nevin can do.

by mike bornemann on May 31, 2006 6:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Twilight Zone
Let me get this straight:

People are complaining that we traded a guy 0HR, 4 RBI and a .497 OPS for a guy who has 9HR, 31 RBI and an OPS above .700? It's one thing to complain that this move is not enough... but if anyone would rather have Hairston than Nevin at this point I want to know what they are smoking.

Luis

by Luis on May 31, 2006 8:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A 6-year old's view
My six-year old son is very disappointed that the Cubs traded Jerry Hairston.

by danimal15 on May 31, 2006 9:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that if you expect absolutely
nothing out of each AB he will surprise you once out of every 5.

by cubsfan2883 on May 31, 2006 10:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jumped on this a bit late
but I think we should all be happy JHJ's toe draggin' butt is out of here.  we're shouldn't have got more than a bucket of balls and a bag of seeds for him, at least Nevin has a pulse!

by Murtons Sideburns on Jun 1, 2006 6:57 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevin
While this trade doesn't bring what we all would hope for, it is a good trade:
  1.  Gets rid of backlog at 2B--I'd rather trade Neifi, but am glad we still have Walker
  2.  Nevin can play catcher while Barrett is on his suspension
  3.  Nevin can play RF for Jacque when we face a LHP
  4.  Nevin can play 1B until Lee comes back (don't expect it to be too soon after the cast comes off)
  5.  Can back up Aramis at 3B
  6.  Provides right handed power (something we don't have) off the bench
We only increased payroll by about $2MM--not a big deal.  While Nevin won't provide HUGE punch--he helps in alot of areas and we dealt from a position where we were overloaded.

by jballgame on Jun 1, 2006 7:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pinch hitting
I think no. 6 is a big one.  Until now who did we have for a power guy to come in late to pinch-hit?  And if Nevin hits lefties well he should be good to have late in games.  At least better than Hairston.
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by Chip Wesley on Jun 1, 2006 8:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Niven
We traded JHJ for David Niven?

I thought he was dead.

by Sidd Finch on Jun 1, 2006 9:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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