All-Star Game Open Thread, Tuesday 7/11, 7 pm CT

Go NL

Not like it matters for the Cubbies...but I'd like to see the NL win it this year after however many years of AL dominance. That, and I cannot stand the fact that Kenny "I Beat Up People When I'm Grumpy" Rogers is not only an all-star - BUT STARTING!! Travesty.

by dtpollitt on Jul 11, 2006 10:01 AM CDT reply actions

Agreed to your points

It goes without saying, but AJP should also not be allowed to represent in the All Star game.

Go National League! My boyfriend is an AL fan, so the NL needs to win if only to make him shut up for awhile. ;)

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 11, 2006 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Frankly...

..I am very disappointed in the selection process. Primarily the voting system that got AJ Pierzynski into the game. I went and looked at the White Sox site where they had the "Punch AJ" link at the top.

That is absolutely ridiculous...I don't understand how you (Al) can have a vote engine set up to only allow one vote per user and MLB can't. I know that there still would have been ways around it (registering multiple user names), but there were people over there saying that they voted HUNDREDS of times.

There is NO WAY that AJP should have beaten Liriano. I would be ashamed to be a Sox fan after that whole ordeal.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 10:04 AM CDT reply actions

The way the MLB system works...

... is that you can vote 25 times per valid e-mail address. As most of you know, there are TONS of ways to get around that restriction.

I'm not saying that's RIGHT, but that's the way they do it. Sure, they could easily set up a one-vote-per-login system.

But that would have been too easy.

The White Sox had a clever marketing push behind Pierzynski. The other teams could have done that too, but didn't.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions

Actually...

...I know the Tigers were encouraging fans to vote for Justin Verlander.

by jolietconvict on Jul 11, 2006 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I think

...they allow 25 votes per email address to simulate the paper-ballot voting at the ballpark. For roughly 25 home games, ballots are distributed to fans and season ticket holders can vote that many times.

by MikeJ on Jul 11, 2006 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

They all do it

I won't argue whether Liriano or AJP should be on the team but saying the Sox fans should be ashamed is sour grapes. Every team pushes their All-Star candidates. The fact that the Sox may have stuffed the box better than any other team is good marketing.

by rlpete on Jul 11, 2006 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

All-Star games are popularity contests

pure and simple. Name recognition helps popularity, especially when it's against someone who's somewhat unknown to the casual fan like Liriano.

AJP probably earned himself an all-star berth during the World Series last year with "the play". Barrett punching him probably put his vote total over the top and sealed it for him. If Barrett doesn't punch him maybe he doesn't make it, but if "the play" never happened I really doubt he makes it. That made him a household name, and that's pretty much all that counts sometimes.

by pageian on Jul 11, 2006 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

FWIW...

... Pierzynski's play was in the ALCS, not the WS.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep

I think I meant playoffs instead of world series. Sometimes I type faster than I think.

by pageian on Jul 11, 2006 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree

that all-star games are popularity contensts. People vote for performance as well as personality. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. AJ probably has Barrett to thank to some degree, but he is a good player. Don't get me wrong, I root against AJ, Ozzie, the Sox. But I have to admit I like it when players express their pesonalities.

In today's overly PC world, it's refreshing when someone takes care of their own business even if there are consequences. Take Kenny Rogers for example, the media made him out to be the devil regarding his incident yet he still makes it into the All Star game as a starter. Why does that happen? Could it be that a lot of fans appreciate how he didn't take any crap from the reporters and camera guys?

Hey Chicago What Do You Say, The Cubs Are Gonna Win Today!

by Andy @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Fans don't vote

for the pitchers. Until the Final Vote campaign.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Jul 11, 2006 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions

And,

Rogers' actions last year with the camera man were those of a first class asshole.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Jul 11, 2006 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Ronny Cedeno

The following is link to Neifi Perez' career offensive production. Neifi posted quality numbers his first several seasons in Colorado, especially in complement to his exceptional glove work. Ronny Cedeno's first half statistics don't remotely match up with the early years production of Neifi Perez. When you factor in that Cedeno has a suspect glove, the verdict is in...it has been a slap in the face to Neifi for me to refer to Cedeno as Neifi Perez....Cedeno can't carry Neifi's jockstrap.

To say the Cubs need a major upgrade at shortstop is an understatement.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 10:19 AM CDT reply actions

Oops

Here is the link on Neifi's career totals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3541

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions

In defense of Cedeno vs. Neifi...

... Neifi's numbers were obviously skewed by playing in Colorado. He's never come close to his Denver numbers playing anywhere else.

Plus, Neifi had a year of part-time play before finally getting the fulltime job at age 25. Cedeno is 23.

I'm not saying that Cedeno is going to become a great player. He may not; he may never learn plate discipline and thus may wash out. He may never improve defensively.

But I think at age 23, he has earned another year's worth of play, especially if the Cubs can get another SS and move him to 2B, where his defensive talent may be better suited.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions

Rebuttal

Al, allow me to challenge your claim with the following. We all know that Jim Hendry went very hard after Rafael Furcal for multiple reasons. But one of those reasons was clearly that the organization was not sold on Ronny Cedeno as an everyday option. I found it revealing that neither Hendry, Oneri Fleita or Dusty talked Cedeno up during last season, despite the glaring holes that existed in the middle infield. Only after Hendry struck out and missed on his attempts to improve the middle infield during the offseason did we hear Hendry profess sudden fondness for Cedeno's skill set. A classic weasel-like move by Hendry. And I'm still not buying it.

Cedeno is young and still should be given the benefit of the doubt. Can he improve? Sure. Will he improve? Call me a doubter.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions

The plan was

to move Cedeno to 2B if Furcal had been signed, with Todd Walker being traded, and Neifi backing up at both. The idea behind signing Furcal was not because of a lack of faith in Cedeno.

by davidalanu on Jul 11, 2006 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Cedeno

Please explain why you are bullish on this young man's future as an everyday player? He is a hollow hitting .250 to .260 hitter who doesn't walk, provides marginal run production and plays a suspect shortstop. Other than his young age, what has anybody seen in Cedeno that makes them think he can be a quality everyday component to a major league lineup? If you throw out Cedeno's 2005 numbers between the minors and the big leagues, his career numbers are wholly uninspiring. Prior to last season, Cedeno wasn't even on the radarscope of top Cub prospects (and we aren't talking an organization chocked full of quality prospects to begin with).

I look at Cedeno and see a guy who might make a serviceable utility infielder. Whoopie. I've not seen or read a single thing that makes me bullish on this young man's major league future as an everyday shortstop or 2nd baseman.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Only rarely

do players jump right in to the majors and make an immediate impact. Those are the great ones. Everyone else has to learn and adapt and get better. Look at the All-Star rosters and I'm sure you'll find quite a few players who weren't so hot when they started their careers.

Ronny has no plate discipline, doesn't hit for power and hasn't hit for a high average. His plate discipline will most likely improve given time and opportunities. Power often comes later for most players, as it probably will for Matt Murton. Batting average is perhaps the most unreliable and likely to fluctuate of all of those skills. Basically, I don't see anything in that list that condems Cedano to a life of benchwarming. Given a proper chance he still has the potential to be a descent player.

His defense isn't as bad as you make it out to be. It's not great but there are explanations for it as well. The early season throws, adjusting to the speed of the game in the majors, rookie concentration level etc.... Defense can certainly be improved and he has the athletic ability and work ethic to get better.

How many guys playing tonight in Pitsburgh would be at home today if they were given up on so easily? Let the kid play until there is a better option or until he's had enough time to prove one way or the other that he's not going to make it. If there is a better option to replace him then by all means do it, raising the talent level of the team is almost always a good idea. But proclaiming a young player unfit at this point just because he hasn't produced all-star like numbers in his first full year is silly.

by pageian on Jul 11, 2006 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions

Response

You're trying to dismiss my critique of Ronny Cedeno to simple impatience for a younger player. That's silly. I recognize that young ballplayers need big league developmental time and go through highs and lows. A great example is Brian Anderson of the White Sox. Anderson is hitting below the Mendoza line, but in Anderson I see a young ballplayer with a nice batting stroke with the potential to be a solid hitter who plays a sound centerfield. Could Anderson turn out to be a bust? Sure he could. But I personally think he will turn into a quality everyday player.

Despite what some of you suspect, I am not automatically anti any young Cub player. Having said that, I see little of either Matt Murton or Ronny Cedeno that inspires confidence in their major league futures. I call them like I see them.

I'd be happy than bat crap to be truly wowed by a Cub positional prospect one of these days. It's been a very long time since the last good one, he being named Mark Grace in 1988.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions

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2/3 cup water
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1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract

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by Frustrated Fan on Jul 11, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

A few caveats

Power and average frequently do come with age. However, there is no guarantee that plate discipline will, it frequently doesn't. Look at Corey Patterson for example. In addition, power usually comes for prospects that show it in the minors. Cedeno hasn't.

Regarding Cedeno and other prospects, while sometimes you do need to give them a chance, at some point some level of projection also comes into play. While at this point the Cubs have nothing to lose playing Cedeno, I don't see a star. It's just me but I don't think we are looking at a Vizquel or Renteria. IMO, he has some potential for a respectable average with low OBP and power. You could do worse but I wouldn't pencil him in for the 10 years either.

by rlpete on Jul 11, 2006 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions

I don't see a star

either, but I'm thinking of players like Julio Lugo who didn't show much (he did have some power though) at a young age but developed in to a pretty good player later on.

You're absolutely right, there isn't any reason why the Cubs shouldn't be playing Cedano now. This is his chance and it shouldn't be aborted prematurely. If something better comes along then fine, absolutely. But we do need to give the guy a chance to prove that he's either not going to progress or that he's just young and will get better.

by pageian on Jul 11, 2006 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I remember a kid Cub infielder...

... who started out 1-for-32 and hit .271/.312/.372 his rookie year, with 36 walks and 90 strikeouts. He had a bit more minor league experience than Cedeno, and he turned out OK.

Fella named Sandberg.

Now, before you jump all over me, I am NOT suggesting that Cedeno will become as good as Sandberg. What I AM suggesting is that Cedeno, who had less than half a year's Triple-A experience, probably shouldn't be a full-time major leaguer this year.

Give him the rest of this year before you give up on him.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Sandburg

Sandburg wasn't some charity case on the 1982 Cubs. He played every day because he was putting up good numbers. He was 5th in the NL in runs scored with 103, he hit 33 doubles, stole 32 bases, and his FP was .986 compared to the league .978. He'd win his 1st Gold Glove the very next year. The guy could play from day 1 in the league.

They played hard. They did their best. Move on. Their whole life isn't out in that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession.

by McHuge on Jul 11, 2006 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Point taken...

... and the rest of MY point is, that Cedeno is probably a year behind Sandberg in terms of his development at this stage of his career. Cedeno should probably be playing a full year at Iowa this year.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Precisely

You hit the nail on the head. Ronny Cedeno isn't remotely in the class of a young Ryne Sandberg. You see, the problem is this....some Cub fans have convinced themselves that any young ballplayer produced by this organization is automatically destined to be a fine major league player, just so long as (A) Dusty Baker plays him and (B) Dusty Baker and his band of cronies don't mess with the young man's swing. In their minds, Gary Scott, Kevin Orie, Brant Brown, Hee Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, Corey Patterson, Jason Dubois etc. had in line All Star caliber careers before the man in the dughout (Essian, Riggleman, Baylor, Kimm, Dusty) got their hands on them. I can't wait for their next 8,000 word diatribe on the wondrous virtues of Ryan Theriot.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions

YOU ARE SO CLOSED MINDED....

..YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!!! AL HAS SAID IT, I HAVE SAID IT, OTHERS HAVE SAID IT... WE ARE NOT CLAIMING THAT CEDENO IS OR EVER WILL BE A SANDBURG, AN OZZIE SMITH, OR A CAL RIPKEN. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT HE IS A ROOKIE WHO HASN'T BEEN GIVEN THE CHANCE TO SHOW US EITHER WAY YET. LIKE AL SAID, HE SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING MLB FULL TIME YET. WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT HE IS THE NEXT ALL-STAR. NOT EVERYONE IN THE BIGS ARE ALL-STARS AND NOT EVERYONE ON ANY SINGLE TEAM ARE ALL-STARS!!!

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions

An informative site that may help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't Feed the Trolls

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2/3 cup heavy cream
2/3 cup water
Pinch of cream of tartar
6 tablespoons butter, cut into small pieces
1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract

Place sugar in a saucepan; add cream and water, and stir until the sugar dissolves. Add a pinch of cream of tartar, place over medium heat and boil the mixture very slowly until it reaches the soft-ball stage -- 240 degrees F on a candy thermometer. Add the butter and boil the mixture until it reaches the soft-crack stage -- 280 degrees F on a candy thermometer.

Remove the pan from the heat and add the vanilla extract. Pour mixture into a deep, buttered 7-inch square pan. When the butterscotch is nearly cold, use the point of a buttered or oiled knife to mark it into bars or squares. When the butterscotch is quite cold and set. Break it up, wrap each piece in wax paper, and keep the candy in an airtight container.

by Frustrated Fan on Jul 11, 2006 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions

grow

a brain

by tomas21 on Jul 11, 2006 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Lol

What were you pointing at in that picture Mike? ;)

by pageian on Jul 11, 2006 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions

HAHA

n/t

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 13, 2006 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions

AL...

...*I have asked this with no answer before, what is the difference between Mike63 calling (or making fun of) handicapped people both physically or mentally, and me calling him what he is "AN ASSHOLE". Like I have said before, I have an aunt that is mentally retarded and if this jack off wants to keep on making derogatory remarks toward a group of people like that then I think it is absolutely bullshit. If you want to claim that this is a family site because swearing isn't allowed then I think that you should also respect the "families" of people who are mentally or physically handicapped. I really wish that I could get near him one day. I would love nothing more than to make a jerk like that become physically handicapped for continually making fun of the mentally handicapped. THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT! Yes I may be pissed, but making light of mentally or physically challenged people is just plain bullshit.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

You are correct.

Neither is appropriate on this site.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Cedeno

has what roughly 88 games this year and your going to evaluate him, with your knowledge. Lets see at the end of the year. What do you have against this guy. I personally like his game, and for you to compare him to Nefi is insane, especially when you put Nefi's Colorado numbers into play. You throw those numbers out. Give Cedeno a chance, and besides what better of year to do it in. Relax guy.

"Just not getting any breaks" Johnnie Baker

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jul 11, 2006 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions

by your analysis

everyone could still be great. so analzying current players seems impossible, cause everything could change for the better.

by tomas21 on Jul 11, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

just for arguments sake

BA ranked him in their top 100 prospects...ha, while at like 90...but still

by kylejo on Jul 11, 2006 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions

this is in response to:

"I've not seen or read a single thing that makes me bullish on this young man's major league future as an everyday shortstop or 2nd baseman."

by kylejo on Jul 11, 2006 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions

EXPLANATION PLEASE!!

Timeline here: A player is drafted, he plays rookie ball, A, AA, AAA, and eventually the majors. Even the top notch players take years to make it to the show. So why are we so quick to send a player off after such a brief stint in the majors? Everyone agrees that you don't become a star overnight, and that AAA doesn't compare to the majors. It takes an average player time to adjust to the elevated level of play in the majors. Look at all the houshold names out there, without the use of a needle it takes time to develop. Players are always learning no matter how long they are around. So you shouldn't be so quick to judge. Take for instance Ryne Sandberg. In 1982 his first full year he hit .271 with 7 HR and 54 RBI in 156 games. He had similar numbers in '83, it wasn't until his 3rd full season that he became a productive hitter. Using your style of managing I guess we should have shipped him off for a bag of peanuts and a hot dog to be named later?

The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions over and over and expecting a different result.

by sandbergfan on Jul 11, 2006 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I think that the problem..

...is that a lot of people on here wan't all-stars in every position.

I have defended Ronnie quite a bit. I am not a huge Ronnie fan but I also don't think that he is that big of a problem on this team. The guy is a rookie. His fielding percentage is not horrible compared to other shortstops of the past....especially considering the early season problems in the field.

Still to appease the Ronnie haters, I have even suggested keeping him around as a 2B next year or even a back-up for the middle infield spots. I keep hearing Patterson's name brought up for 2B but I think before people pencil him in on the MLB roster next year they may want to pencil him into the roster in Des Moines.

If Patterson comes up to the bigs and overshadows Cedeno and there is a suitable back-up for the middle infield spots then by all means...let him go.

You can't and don't have to have an all-star at every position. Give the rookie a chance to take his lumps and see how he responds to that.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

E-Pat

Eric Patterson has been hitting in the OPS range of about .750-.780 for most of the season at West Tennessee. I think it would be unfortunate for him to try to play in the bigs in 2007.

By the way, Mike Fontenot has been over .800 for most of the season at Iowa, and in the .850-.880 range for the past couple of months.

I would love to see what Fontenot could do every day in 2007.

rock on,

by Romero on Jul 11, 2006 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Fontenot

Mike Fontenot is alternative spelling for Ryan Theriot, which of course is alternative spelling for Richard Lewis, which in turn is alternative spelling for Hanging Chad Meyers.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Well...

... that's a bit too harsh, I think.

Fontenot and Theriot could both be good utility players at the ML level -- either would be better than Neifi.

Perhaps in 2007 they'll get that chance.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions

95%..

..off his posts are harsh. But hey it's your site.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Why?!

Is anyone at all excited about rookies being good utility players?! If the best argument that can be made for a team's prospects is that they could be good utility players, then that's a strong indication the farm system needs an overhaul.

They played hard. They did their best. Move on. Their whole life isn't out in that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession.

by McHuge on Jul 11, 2006 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I didn't say I was excited about it...

... but I did say it could be useful. Every team can use a good bench. The Cubs of the last couple of years are proof of that.

Many teams' farm systems have players that don't even get to utility player status in the majors.

FWIW, Fontenot isn't a Cub product -- he was acquired in the Sosa deal.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions

shouldn't your

utility guy have experience? i don't mean a washed up vet like neifi, but it's tough to expect someone with no mlb experience to come in and be a bench player.

by tomas21 on Jul 11, 2006 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions

That's a double edged sword, isn't it?

Who would fit such a description in the majors today? And how do you GET that experience unless you play?

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions

by starting

for a few years but not being good enough to stick around as a regular starter.

don't you think fontenot or theriot would fail if they came up now and became the utility player in place of neifi, and got 6-8 at bats per week? i do.

i would venture to say most of the guys playing utility today had some experience starting first.

by tomas21 on Jul 11, 2006 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Actually..

here's a good example of a present-day utility player on a GOOD team, who has never been an everyday starter:

Pablo Ozuna.

Here's another:

Hector Luna.

Another:

Abraham Nunez (yes, he did start most of last year, only due to injury).

There are others. And no, you don't have to be Latino; that those three are, are simply coincidence.

It CAN be done, and I think Fontenot and Theriot are the type of player who could do it.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Then its settled...

The Cubs can be recognized as the premier organization in all of baseball for developing crappy hitting utility infielders with marginal defensive skills. And I thought our farm system wasn't operating under a strategic vision.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Crappy hitting?

Either Theriot or Fontenot or both, would be FAR better hitters at the ML level than Neifi Perez is.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmmm.

Are you sure of that? Don't fall into the trap of extrapolating Triple A statistics. Take a look at the pitchers playing in the Pacific Coast League. Lots and lots of Jerome Williams' types, and worse (much worse). Truly frightening.

Look, all kidding aside, I hope Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot can amount to something. But in all honesty, I think that "something" is nothing more than a much traveled utility infielder type. To that I say a big fat whoopie. When Mark Grace is the last quality everyday positional player cranked out by your organization, there is reason to be cynical.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Actually

It's not that they can definitely hit better than Perez (they might), it's that they'd be significantly cheaper. That $5 million spent on Neifi Perez and the $5 million given to Rusch could have gone towards a better starting pitcher.

by MikeJ on Jul 11, 2006 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions

It's been a strong indication

for 20 years and counting. Grace and Palmeiro are the last star hitters the system has produced.

The bad news right now is that I don't see anyone that will break that streak. Patterson is the only one right now that appears to have the possibility of a solid starting career (Grade B prospect).

by rlpete on Jul 11, 2006 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Is there anybody in our system...

that you like? Why are you a Cub fan if you feel this way about our players/system?

by Fort WayneCubbie on Jul 11, 2006 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions

I wonder if he is

a Cub fan at all. In his post above he calls the organization "your organization" (meaning us).

I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Jul 11, 2006 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

There hasn't been much in the minor..

..league site to keep my attention this year. I was on there daily for awhile but not so much lately. Therefor I could be wrong here but isn't Fontenot on pace for about 200 Ks at AAA this year.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Actually, no.

In 82 games, 256 AB, he has walked 35 times and struck out 47; that's a bit more than half the AAA season, so he's on pace for about sixty walks and about eighty strikeouts.

OBA .390. That's good enough for a ML tryout in my book.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Walks...

With an on-base percentage like that, he's going to clog up the bases.

by Seamer on Jul 12, 2006 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Cedeno

Great Mike63.
You are entitled to your opinion.

Cedeno improved in 2004 at West tenn at age 21.
Cedeno improved last year at Iowa/Chicago at age 22.
He is struggling right now. I wouldn't be in a rush to throw him away.

Neifi...great call.

by Dusty Baylor on Jul 11, 2006 11:01 AM CDT reply actions

Nobody suggested "throw him away"

In fact, I say play him the remainder of the season. It's just that I see little to get excited about for the future. Unless of course utility infielders the mold of Ramon Martinez cause a person to drool.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Paul Sullivan's question.....

...."why don't you jack Aramis Ramirez?" followed by "then why is he stiull not running to first base?" made me laugh, especially as it appeared that ended the interview for Baker.

Rarely is my day made before 830am - today it was.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jul 11, 2006 11:03 AM CDT reply actions

Yeah, that was great

It's okay to say things but when you're called on them you should at least offer an explanation. Some type of proof backing up what you're saying. "Hey, he's been doing that for a long time." doesn't cut it. He's been playing for Dusty for a long time, why hasn't it stopped, boss man? Is it something that was just addressed this year, his both Dusty and Aramis fourth with the Cubs? How was it addressed, other than "jacking him up"?

by pageian on Jul 11, 2006 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Much like cool hand Luke..

I doubt there is very much that would make Aramis hustle. He will probably never get his mind right.

by wicubfan on Jul 11, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions

MLB All-Star Voting

I voted numerous times for the All-Star game. When it was voting at large, I was limited to 25 votes per email address. When it came to the second chance voting, though, I was allowed to vote as many times as I wanted and was never told I couldn't vote anymore because I had reached my limit.

That being said, the whole thing has become so convoluted I can hardly stand it.

So, let me ask you this...will this game determine home field advantage in the WS this year? As of a few weeks ago, that was still up in the air IIRC.

by Sidd Finch @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 11:32 AM CDT reply actions

Yes

the league and the union announced that a few weeks ago.

by TC Cubby on Jul 11, 2006 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions

Dan Plesac

addressed this last night on Chicago Tribune Live on Comcast he said, in so many words, that if Dusty does take his players to task privately, why do they keep doing it. Either he doesn't or they don't listen. And why do they vocally defend him, but don't doing anything on the field to keep him in job. Such as hustle. I believe he said that it could be a symptom of how lax Dusty is.

Dusty's managering style reminds me of a teacher who doesn't give homework or tests and everyone gets an A. At the time the students think it's great. Then later when they discover that they didn't learn a damn thing in that class they realize what a total waste of time it was. And if they have any brains they resent that the teacher didn't challenge them and make them learn.

by kessinger on Jul 11, 2006 11:34 AM CDT reply actions

Rebuttal

A. There never once, in three and one half seasons, has been a public rift between GM Jim Hendry and Manager Dusty Baker.

B. As of 11:50 AM Central on July 11, 2006, Manager Dusty Baker was still employee of the Chicago Cubs National League Ballclub.

C. The Dusty bashers and conspiracy theorists will continue to work 24/7 to uncover hatred between Hendry and Dusty.

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions

what?

that previous post said nothing about a dusty/hendry rift.

by Short4Fanatic on Jul 11, 2006 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions

In the media

Dusty doesn't call his players out in public. That's fine. He's willing to take flak for them.

But why did his team melt down two years ago and blame the broadcasters? He can't get them to "shut up and play," yet he protects them when they're blaming others for their poor play.

It's time for him to go.

by Seamer on Jul 12, 2006 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm bored...here is a great baseball memory

Some of the older crowd (like me) may remember this classic confrontation between Dodger manager Tommy Lasorda and Doug Rau in the 1977 World Series against the Yankees. It ranks right up there with the Lee Elia tirades in my book.

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Lasorda removes Doug Rau in '77 World Series

October 15, 1977

Doug Rau was the Dodger starter in Game 4 of the 1977 World Series. After the Yankees got three consecutive hits off of Rau in the third inning, Tommy Lasorda went to the mound to pull him. What followed was a classic exchange. The Yankees ended up scoring three times in the third inning, but the Dodgers came up with two of their own in the third when Davey Lopes blasted a Ron Guidry pitch over the center-field fence. Reggie Jackson hit a solo shot in the sixth, and that's how it ended: Yankees 4, Dodgers 2. But the game produced this (click on the audio link...hilarious):

http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/features_moments.html#rau

by Mike63 on Jul 11, 2006 11:46 AM CDT reply actions

Convoluted

So, this is what I meant:

The home field for Game Seven of the World Series...arguably the thing everybody plays for...the event that ALL THE GAMES ALL SUMMER LONG are played for...the event some people spend their careers and lives to get to...is determined by the LEAGUE winner of a game that is played:

...by starting players voted on by the fans, 25 votes per email address, using as many email addresses as they want; and by fans at the ballpark taking as many ballots as they want.

...by 2nd chance players, one per league, fans can vote as often as they'd like on the internet.

...by reserve players and pitchers chosen by the AS team managers, who tend to load 'em up with their own guys.

...and is managed by the managers of the previous season's league champion teams.

On top of which, every team in MLB is supposed to be represented, and frequently, some players chosen for the honor develop convenient "injuries" just prior to the event causing them to drop out.

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Did I miss anything?
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That's crazy talk. I don't know what the best system is, but this is NOT it.
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Gut it. Start over.
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Thanks, I had to get that one off my chest.

by Sidd Finch @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 12:03 PM CDT reply actions

Agreed.

Making it "count" is a ripoff for the teams who play well all year and make the WS. The worst case scenario is if the team with the best overall record does not have home field because of the All Star Game, which has players decided as above (not sure this has happened since they implemented this system due to the AL's recent dominance over the NL).

by jcub on Jul 11, 2006 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions

As it's happened...

... since 2003, when the "it counts" thing began, the WS home field has been irrelevant.

Marlins win at Yankee Stadium (won 2 of the 3 games played there)
Red Sox sweep
White Sox sweep

Personally, a fairer way would be to give home field to the league with the better interleague play record.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I understand your point

But this argument bugs me. Does everyone realize that before 2003, home-field for the World Series was ALTERNATED between leagues, with the AL getting it in odd-numbered years and the NL in even-numbered years (before 1994 anyway)? That's it. That was the system.

Maybe the Marlins don't win the Series in 1997 without getting home-field on what amounts to a coin flip. A damn good argument can be made that the Twins wouldn't have won either of their championships without it. Maybe the Diamondbacks don't win it in 2001 without it. But you don't hear the Indians, Cardinals, Braves, and/or Yankees bitching about how they didn't have home-field that year.

Personally, I don't think giving it to the league that wins this game is that big of a deal. Sure, we'd like to see the team with the better record have it, but Bud Selig has made it clear that this will never happen, so we should just live with what we do have, and consider the alternative.

by gauchodirk on Jul 11, 2006 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think many people love Kenny Rogers,

Andy. He's just having a great year and it would have been absurd not to have him on the team. They're not voting on nicest guy. But if you'd like to make it into something about people loving a guy who physically attacked a member of the "evil" media, knock yourself out.

by TR on Jul 11, 2006 2:01 PM CDT reply actions

My mom loved Kenny Rodgers...

...she saw him in concert at the Metro Center in Rockford....oh wait, sorry....you meant the pitcher, oh well... I think they are the same age aren't they??? :)

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Dusty sez...

"I don't regret nothing."

...so does that actually mean that he does regret something?

His dad says:

"Don't look backward. Make your decisions, stick with them, and don't look backward."

That could explain his inability to accept responsibility or learn from his mistakes.

by bcolish on Jul 11, 2006 3:07 PM CDT reply actions

I watch the game.

I pay more attention these last few years because there are more of they young stars coming in. I'm happy for them because at least for the first time all-stars it has to be a great experience.

I'm disappointed Kenny Rogers is starting, but I'm not sure how many others were available to start. I'm not really sure how that works though because with so many pitchers you could have the starter pitch just one inning. But oh well, Rogers is good enough.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jul 11, 2006 3:09 PM CDT reply actions

trades

Is AROD on the cubs yet ?

How about A. Jones...is ho on the Sox yet ?

by 1969cubs on Jul 11, 2006 3:25 PM CDT reply actions

Alright, Frustrated Fan

Now is when you post a recipe.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 11, 2006 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Have you jumped off a building yet?

No? Well, keep trying.

by Perkins on Jul 11, 2006 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Salt Water Taffy

ALT WATER TAFFY

2 c. sugar
1 tbsp. cornstarch
1 c. light corn syrup
3/4 c. water
1 tsp. salt
2 tbsp. butter
Flavoring & food coloring

Grease 9 x 9 x 2 inch pan. Stir in a heavy 3 quart pan sugar and cornstarch. Stir in corn syrup, water and salt; add butter. Cook over medium heat, stir constantly until temperature is 266 degrees on candy thermometer or until small amount forms a ball when dropped in cold water. Remove from heat.

Stir in flavoring and a few drops of food coloring. Pour into pan. Let it cool until you can handle it. Pull the taffy until it has a silky and light color appearance. Pull into 1/2 inch wide strips. Cut with scissors into 1 inch pieces. Wrap individually in waxed paper. Makes about 1 pound.

by Frustrated Fan on Jul 11, 2006 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

You really need to learn

the recipe rule. In the past two days, you've reciped a bunch of regular posters here. Just because you disagree, doesn't make other people trolls.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Jul 11, 2006 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions

its because of people like you

that this place has jumped the shark.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Amen

n/t

by TerryS on Jul 12, 2006 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Perhaps

You meant to recipe 1969cubs...he's the troll. I'm a regular, even if I keep a low profile. I'd have reciped him myself, but I'm not a good enough cook!

by Perkins on Jul 11, 2006 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions

That's who the

recipie was directed at. It was even prompted. As for the rest, I am reciping Mike263 because his posts are clearly only intended to dispute and are without any logic or basis in fact.

by Frustrated Fan on Jul 11, 2006 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Ah, I gotcha

It's all good. And yeah, recipe-ing mike63 seems like a good plan. I'll need to look in some cookbooks to keep up with you guys!

by Perkins on Jul 11, 2006 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions

agree,

If people want to disagree in a good clean forum, or propose trades that may seem outlandish, so be it, as long as the print is not foul.

so give me a molasses cookie recipe

"Just not getting any breaks" Johnnie Baker

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jul 11, 2006 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions

In lieu of recipe

A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a White Sox fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they were Sox fans too. Not really knowing what a Sox fan was but wanting to be like their teacher, their hands explode into the air like fleshy fireworks.

There is, however, one exception. One girl has not gone along with the crowd. The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different. "Because I'm not a Sox fan."

Then, asks the teacher, what are you?

"Why I'm proud to be a Chicago Cubs fan," boasts the little girl.

The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks the girl why she is a Cubs fan.

"Well, My Dad and Mom are Cubs fans, and I'm a Cubs fan too."

The teacher is now angry. "That's no reason," she says loudly. "What if your Mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What would you be then?"

A pause, and a smile. "Then," says the girl, "I'd be a White Sox fan."

by kessinger on Jul 11, 2006 3:51 PM CDT reply actions

rofl

Every time I hear that one I crack up. Classic.

by Perkins on Jul 11, 2006 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Honestly

The first time I ever read this joke it might have been on a t-shirt or something of the like and the final lines were the teacher asking the little girl "If your dad was a crack dealer and your mom was a hooker would you be either of those" and then the girl responded by saying "No, I'd be a Sox fan"

by Bleed Husker Red on Jul 11, 2006 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions

And here's the link

http://www.tonypierce.com/images/2005/8/funny/cubssoxd.jpg

by Bleed Husker Red on Jul 11, 2006 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions

There

are variations to what mom and dad are/do, but that was the first one I found. And if I'm going to feed a troll anything it might as well be an insult.

by kessinger on Jul 11, 2006 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions

And about the All-Star Game...

... it looks like it's going to rain in Pittsburgh just about game time.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 5:25 PM CDT reply actions

Al

Check your email.

To anyone else concerned, I don't post and never have posted at mlbtraderumors.

I do give whoever points for correct spelling though.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 7:12 PM CDT reply actions

Noted, and thanks...

... for getting back to me.

by Al Yellon on Jul 11, 2006 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Cubs fan seen on All-Star Game telecast

Home jersey. Good seats. Atta boy. Cheers.

Go Cubs!

by jhj on Jul 11, 2006 8:39 PM CDT reply actions

Um can we just walk David Wright

Every time he comes to bat this weekend?

by jessica on Jul 11, 2006 8:40 PM CDT reply actions

I agree....

...man the guy is a stud. I traded ARam for him back in December when I first bought MVP Baseball 2005 (they don't have a 2006). It was a steal..I got him for 500k/year I think. He was awesome in the game especially for that price. If only real life were that easy. I have won 5 straight World Series titles with the Cubs. Could you imagine that in Chicago. Anyway, now I have started over my dynasty from scratch with this years team.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions

if you have the computer version

you can get an updated mvp for 06.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions

No it is for PS2

I suppose there is nothing I can do for that huh, It's frustrating because I thought that I read that they couldn't come to agreement with the league for '06.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions

haha

one of my dreams when I finally get a real job as a recent college graduate is to get an xbox 360 and mlb2k6 and win the world series with the cubs.

a real world series would be a lot better though. it's coming. worry not.

As a Cubs fan, The 2006 season will be remembered by me as....the first that I could buy Old Style cans with Cubs logos on them....

by coopergillan on Jul 12, 2006 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions

Not to get off

(watch your dirty minds) on a computer game tangent, but how is the 2006 update for MVP 2005?

And for the love of God is there any way to stop having Kuiper call Matt Murton - Hillson? You can hear the stadium announcer say "Now batting Matt Murton" but Kuiper calls him Hillson. Sorry it just drives me slightly batty. No pun intended.

by kessinger on Jul 11, 2006 9:11 PM CDT reply actions

Kuiper doesn't bother me so much...

...but if there was a way to turn down the volume on just Krukow, I would do it.

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions

I hate the KruKuip!

Just ended 10 cold years in SF and had the KruKuip calling the most hated Giants. Those guys suck in real life (if what yr talking about is the vid). If the Giants are losing, the other team is cheating. If KruKuip doesn't like yr mug or yr Cubs cap when the camera finds you ... KruKuip scratches you out w/ the "telestrator." They make up baseball vernacular: "It's odd for a catcher to play a day game after a night grab." That one had my brother and looking for a suicide machine on eBay.

Go Cubs. I hate the All-Star break.

by jhj on Jul 11, 2006 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions

the '06

update is only available on the pc version, or can i get it through xbox live?

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 11, 2006 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions

my bad

should've scrolled up a lil' bit.

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 11, 2006 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions

mvpmods.com

they might have something, not sure.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions

thanks man

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 12, 2006 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions

its good

the guys do great work, uniforms, rosters, new bush stadium etc. they changed the pitching around to make it a little harder, but like everything else can be changed.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions

ASG wristbands

Hey - I missed the top of the game . . . what are the yellow wristbands all of the players are wearing? They appear to have "RCW" on them.
I thought Roberto Clemente at first, but what's the W?

"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 9:13 PM CDT reply actions

Roberto Clemente Walker

It was his mothers maiden name. IIRC, it being last has something to do with the middle name going last in PR or something, it's been ahwile since I've read why.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Jul 11, 2006 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Probably...

at least in Mexico they do have it like that, so I'm assuming Puerto Rico does to.

I'm not sure they call it a middle name it's more like a second last name, but the point is the mom's maiden name goes last. My dad messed up my birth certificate because of that and his stubborness.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jul 11, 2006 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions

town name

is also used in some places i believe.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah...

It has been like, ten years, at least since I read a really good biography on him. He has always been one of my all time favorite ballplayers.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Jul 12, 2006 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Well they are talking about the vote....

...on MLB.com for the ASG MVP. The Sox fans will probably figure out a way to get AJP the MVP too.... :)

Come on home Joe!!!

by santo for prez on Jul 11, 2006 9:16 PM CDT reply actions

My god..

..this broadcast is turining into a David Wright lovefest. Nice player, good story, but COME ON ALREADY!

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Jul 11, 2006 9:51 PM CDT reply actions

Did I miss Z?

by jhj on Jul 11, 2006 9:57 PM CDT reply actions

Z..

..has not pitched yet (thru 8). Looks like Hoffman will pitch the 9th for the NL.

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Jul 11, 2006 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions

DAMNIT

Garner, this is what you get for not putting in Z! You should of taken that Padre piece of shit out after he gave up two straight hits...

Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Jul 11, 2006 10:06 PM CDT reply actions

ha!

Hoffman does a Dempster impression!

by jhj on Jul 11, 2006 10:09 PM CDT reply actions

Well, Hells bells

It's 'Trevor Time!' And it ain't what it used to be. Figures.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jul 11, 2006 10:19 PM CDT reply actions

I missed

most of the game. What inning(s) did Neifi play?

by kessinger on Jul 11, 2006 10:20 PM CDT reply actions

Neifi should have closed

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jul 11, 2006 10:21 PM CDT reply actions

Don't give

Dusty any ideas.

by kessinger on Jul 11, 2006 10:29 PM CDT reply actions

Hmm, no distractions until the end of the break

Hendry, care to call a press conference and make millions of Cubs all over the world feel like it's Christmas in july?

Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Jul 11, 2006 10:32 PM CDT reply actions

Zambrano fungoed

"Chicago Cubs pitcher Carlos Zambrano had to be taken for X-rays and was deemed unavailable to pitch Tuesday after being struck on his throwing elbow by a fungo bat swung by Joey Cora."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/4040701.html

by DrCrawdad on Jul 11, 2006 10:41 PM CDT reply actions

you (white sox) won the world series

please stop fucking with us (cubs).

Cora's ability to speak spanish apparently wasn't enough to save Carlos. Better reevaluate your position Al.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 11, 2006 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Accidents will happen...

I sure hope Zambrano is ok. Damn good pitcher, even if he is a freakin' morono.

by DrCrawdad on Jul 11, 2006 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Well...

thanks for informing us. Now I can direct my anger at the right person. :)

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jul 11, 2006 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions

What?

Al, Joey Cora can no longer be an option for Cubs manager.

But seriously, I hope Z is OK now. I was pretty mad he didn't pitch.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jul 11, 2006 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Now there's

some bizzare karma at work here. No manager's chair for you, Mr. Cora, sorry.

(Shoutout to the Southsiders for bringing this to our table)

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jul 11, 2006 10:47 PM CDT reply actions

Yup.

Guess I have to put Fredi Gonzalez at the top of my list instead of Cora...

by Al Yellon on Jul 12, 2006 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions

ASG.

was kind of lame. the ASBreak kind of sucks I decided. I am looking forward to the second half and a look-out-world-we're-not-going-to-f***-around-anymore sweep of the mets to open the 2nd half and have a 6 game winning streak.

As a Cubs fan, The 2006 season will be remembered by me as....the first that I could buy Old Style cans with Cubs logos on them....

by coopergillan on Jul 12, 2006 2:45 AM CDT reply actions

hoffman

must feel pretty small after doing that o national tv.

and when did the mlbdecide that david wright was going to be the poster boy of the league? holy crap, he was on the screen every 30 seconds.

by tomas21 on Jul 12, 2006 7:38 AM CDT reply actions

I love David Wright.

I don't mind seeing him every 30 seconds. :)

Like they said in the booth, he is a very marketable player.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jul 12, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions

It's Up to You -- New York, New York!!!!

TV ratings...that is....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 12, 2006 8:18 AM CDT reply actions

*All-Star Starting Lineups*
AL	NL
Suzuki, rf	Soriano, lf
Jeter, ss	Beltran, cf
Ortiz, 1b	Pujols, 1b
A. Rodriguez, 3b	Bay, rf
Guerrero, rf	Renteria, ss
I. Rodriguez, c	Wright, 3b
Wells, lf	Utley, 2b
Loretta, 2b	LoDuca, c
Rogers, p	Penny, p

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