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Time To Say Farewell (Long)

Let me tell you a story or two that'll explain a lot to you about why I've taken certain positions here at BCB, and also why I'm going to surprise you with something later on.

No, don't skip to the end yet! Read it in order!

First, and this'll be instructive later on in this post, let me tell you how I felt about Don Zimmer when he managed the Cubs from 1988 to 1991.

Couldn't stand him. His use of pitchers drove me nuts, his strategy (he once, for example, put on a hit-and-run with the bases loaded) was bizarre, and he played favorites -- just as someone currently managing the Cubs does.

And yet, most fans loved him. Why? Well, he was roly-poly, threw his hat down at times arguing with umpires, and could tell a million baseball stories from his million years in the league -- I even heard some not-for-print stories personally, because in the late 1980's we had a late-Sunday night sports show at ABC-7 where we'd have the baseball managers (at the time, Zimmer and Jeff Torborg of the White Sox) come in and do some commentary with our sports guys. He was great fun, but a lousy manager. I used to say the Cubs won in 1989 in spite of Zimmer, not because of him. Somehow, Zimmer managed to have a winning record as Cub manager -- 265-258, most of that from the 93-69 record of '89.

And in the middle of the 1991 season, as you know, he was finally fired, and replaced by Jim Essian, who was at the time just about as highly regarded, touted, and desired by Cub fans as the "next wave" manager, as someone like Joe Girardi is now -- in fact, he was 40 years old, not even as old as Girardi is this year (42).

It didn't work out that way, of course -- Essian managed the Cubs to a 59-63 record and was dismissed by Larry Himes after the 1991 season, and to my knowledge has never coached or managed in professional baseball since.

So what did my dislike and enmity toward Don Zimmer accomplish back then? Absolutely nothing, and his firing didn't bring the ballclub any closer to winning -- although, I thought that the eventual fulltime replacement in 1992, Jim Lefebvre, did a good job in his two years and got summarily canned by Himes for no particular reason. Himes, in fact, may have done more damage to the Cubs than almost any recent GM, by this firing and by allowing Greg Maddux to leave at the end of the '92 season. But I digress.

Second story: after the 1994 strike I was, as were many fans, pissed at baseball -- both players and owners, I felt, had equal blame for the morass that caused the cancellation of the 1994 World Series. But I loved the game and the Cubs too much to stop going. We did, in fact, lose a couple of guys from our grop -- Jim & Rick -- who swore if the strike happened, they'd never return, and they didn't.

So, I decided (as has been suggested here by some) to not buy a single bit of food or souvenir at Wrigley Field, except for each day's scorecard. And I didn't, for three full years, until the 1998 playoff and home run races brought me, as well as thousands of others, back into the fold.

What did that accomplish, other than saving me a little bit of money? Absolutely nothing. Not a single person inside baseball noticed; no one in the commissioner's office or at Tribune Tower cowered in fear of losing my money, or my support.

This is why I keep saying "boycotts don't work", because they don't in this sort of endeavor. Sure, if you're talking about lettuce and grape boycotts in California, it might work -- as food is a little more essential to human life than baseball. It's easy to get worked up on blogs or message boards about the state of the Cubs -- and don't get me wrong, I'm plenty worked up -- but putting this into action is well nigh impossible, and the bottom line is, the management of this team isn't going to listen anyway.

Which somehow gets me to the present day and the management of Dusty Baker and Jim Hendry, which, as you know, I have defended on this site. I did so because they did bring us close to the Promised Land -- Baker through what I felt was just the right sort of leadership for the 2003 team, Hendry through the shrewd acquisitions of Eric Karros, Damian Miller, Mark Grudzielanek, Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez, key components all of that team which we so fondly remember, and wish we had five more outs' worth of fond remembrance. Getting that close is great, but no, it is NOT enough.

And yes, those days are gone, and yes, the team has deteriorated to the point where someone's going to have to go, and that someone's going to have to be Dusty Baker.

I wish he had been the guy to take the Cubs to the World Series, but he isn't. I have just finished reading a new book called "Management by Baseball", which uses baseball stories to show managers in ANY business how they can improve their management skills (incidentally, he's both a fan of Lou Piniella, and a critic of his "real rages during and after games").

What I read in this book that at last told me that Baker has to go is this. Author Jeff Angus identifies what he calls the "six deadly skins" of management and which managers personify them: Uncontrolled Anger (Piniella), Perfectionism (Dick Williams), Intimacy (Bobby Bragan), Denial (Hank Bauer), Uncontrolled Niceness (Chuck Tanner), and Anxiety (for which he says this "skin" doesn't exist in baseball).

It's "Denial" which has caught Dusty Baker in its wake, as Angus writes:

Earl Weaver's predecessor in Baltimore was Hank Bauer, who fell into a multiyear swoon because of his preprogrammed Denial. In 1964, his first year with Baltimore, Bauer managed the team to 97 wins. He tinkered and refined the mix the next year before tuning the system and leading his team to a pennant in 1966. Success like that is perfect for Denial because now you have "the good old days".

In 1967, Bauer changed nothing, and the team tumbled into the second division. In 1968, Bauer pretended it was all bad luck, sticking with players who had been successful years before, but had since been neutralized by age or opponents' scouting. In his own mind, this was a winning team. Rather than attack his problem, giving new players a chance to help failing players, he chose to believe that his incumbents would reincarnate. They didn't, and neither did his job.

Sound familiar? It does to me; this is EXACTLY what Dusty Baker does, continuing to bat players second who are incapable of doing so, continuing to call on Roberto Novoa out of the bullpen when he fails time and time again; I could go on, but it's too painful. None of this is any surprise, either; he did these sorts of things in 2003, too -- except they won anyway. Why is this? Why was Baker successful in San Francisco for many years, and with the 2003 Cubs, and he isn't now? I think the answer lies, in part, in the fact that he's known as a "player's manager". We have all noted the fact that he pretty much lets players do what they want. When there's a strong player-leader, as the Giants had with Jeff Kent (note: the Giants under Baker had three really bad years till they acquired Kent in 1997, the first year they won the NL West under him. Kent's an ass, but there is NO doubt in my mind he helped keep the Giants' clubhouse under control), or the Cubs had in 2003 with Damian Miller and Eric Karros, the laissez-faire attitude of Baker works, because the players police themselves. The 2006 Cubs don't have anyone like this (and neither did the 2004 or 2005 teams). Thus, Baker is the wrong manager for this sort of team. A solution to this is to get better players and the Cubs need to do this anyway.

Jim Hendry is also in "Denial", too,, in his overreliance on the "comebacks" of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior this year, which have been miserable failures. The two have combined for nine starts, a 1-5 record, 44 IP, 50 H, 21 BB, 37 SO, and a 7.57 ERA. That's putrid.

So there's enough blame to go around, and I guarantee you that if Jim Hendry's contract extension were being considered NOW, he'd probably be looking for work. Having received a two-year extension in April, we are stuck with him.

I'm no longer going to say "re-evaluate" (and I know "evaluate" has become quite the buzzword) Dusty Baker at season's end. I am going to say, because I do believe him to be a good man, that he should be allowed to finish the season and then leave with a bit of dignity, and not be replaced now with a clone of Bruce Kimm or Jim Essian who won't be around in 2006. Instead, let Hendry choose from an open pool of potential managers in October. I have said repeatedly that I believe the Cubs ought to go in the direction that so many successful recent clubs (Angels, White Sox, Mets) have gone and choose a younger man, someone who has learned under a greater man, and can put together a professional staff of coaches, not just bring in his old buddies as Baker AND Don Baylor AND Jim Riggleman did. There are other problems with the way things are run now, particularly the troubling revelation by Chris Speier that Cub coaches are conducting "clinics" for sponsors, apparently at the behest of the marketing department, while Cub players sit around tapping their feet waiting for the field to be ready. This sort of thing HAS to stop.

Fredi Gonzalez, the Braves' 3B coach for the last four years, is my choice. He's learned under the great Bobby Cox; he's had success managing in the minor leagues; he's 42 years old, and yes, he is a native Spanish speaker. I've been flamed for saying that's important, and no, it's not THE most important thing, but I believe that in a clubhouse that has been rumored to have ethnic divisions, someone like Gonzalez could bridge that gap. Speaking Spanish and being from a Latin American culture (Gonzalez was born in Cuba) isn't THE most important factor, but it is A factor.

Seeing that the Braves are hot right now and think they are still in the wild-card hunt, Gonzalez would probably not be available at this time. But if Atlanta falls out of that race -- then it would be worth investigating acquiring him this year, and giving him at least a three-year contract.

As for Hendry, it's really simple. He's got to get off his butt, stop practicing the same "Denial" that got Baker into so much trouble, and get some better players on this team. Since his excellent 2002-2003 acquisitions, detailed above, Hendry's been pretty poor in the trade/free agency department -- Jacque Jones was a poor choice (although he's been about as productive as could have been hoped, given his history), and although Juan Pierre is at last producing the way he could have been expected to, I suspect the Cubs will long regret giving up Ricky Nolasco for him. As I said, like it or not, we are stuck with him -- so Jim, let's see some magic again. Keep guys like Nolasco, and stop overvaluing other "prospects" and deal them when that chance comes up, and stop acquiring useless bodies like Freddie Bynum "because they can run".

Last year, in one of the last things I wrote on my old blog before the creation of BCB, I was posting nearly breathless updates on the Sammy Sosa saga, and like many of you, I wanted him gone. As I wrote at the time:

Goodbye, Sammy. You did give us some memories. But it was time for you to go.

And, it appears to be that time for Dusty Baker, too. It's time for him to go.

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Welcome back, dude
n/t
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Jul 24, 2006 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also
I see Phil Rogers has picked up on your "A-Rod To The Cubs" today.  On another note, Al -- I will stay on the "o-dark 30" wake up call...I'll get in touch later....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 24, 2006 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

See...
... the diary I just posted about Rogers' column.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Written Post, Al
couldn't have said it better myself.
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on Jul 24, 2006 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the joy of denial is that...
the individual in denial is able, with a clear conscience, to deny that he/she is in denial. until there is some sort of intervention, from a source beyond the control of the individual in question, there will be no change. the greater question becomes, who will be the one/ones to intervene?

by dc60123 on Jul 24, 2006 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's absolutely correct...
... and that's why I said that Hendry has to be the one to initiate the change -- since, because of his extension (whether we want that or not), we are stuck with him and he is ultimately responsible not only for Baker's future, but for changing the face of this team via player trades, signings, etc.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am more concerned with hendry's denial...
although i cannot say for 100% dead certain that he has done nothing (trading williamson barely registers), it sure does look like his assesment of the situation shows that he is nowhere near as troubled as the fan base. which, to me, is and has been cause for great alarm.

on the other hand, i am not sure i want him to be the guy to be making sweeping changes. just an opinion; it seems like hendry's golden touch from 2002 and 2003 up through nomar/murton has vanished. he may be more of the problem than the solution.

by dc60123 on Jul 24, 2006 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That concerns me, absolutely.
Hendry did seem to "do no wrong" for more than two years, in acquiring star players and good role players and giving up virtually nothing.

He has GOT to get his head out of the sand now. Unfortunately, a lot of the chips he used to deal with back then are gone, and there's not much left.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, this post was very good
You said something I disagree with though,
So there's enough blame to go around, and I guarantee you that if Jim Hendry's contract extension were being considered NOW, he'd probably be looking for work. Having received a two-year extension in April, we are stuck with him.

First of all, Jim Hendry's extention of 2 years and 3 million dollars simply isnt large enough to be a deterrent in fixing the Cubs situation.  Secondly if Dusty Baker is not to be extended, as you now believe, Jim Hendry CLEARLY needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY following the season.  Why is this?  The Cubs will not be able to attract top-flight managerial candidates with a short-term GM.  So, you fire Hendry and eat his contract or you extend Baker, that is your choice.

Seems to me eating the 3 mil is the only real choice.

by Santos Sorrow on Jul 24, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE:Denial
Great post Al!!!
I see a lot of flaming on some blogs, but this post today is flameproof.  It hits the nail right on the head, without sounding hypocritical or wishy-washy.
I was as happy as anyone when Baker came aboard in 2003, but he has disappointed in 2005-2006, and it is time for him to leave.

by Dusty Baylor on Jul 24, 2006 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know I agree...
...with you on this Al.  But I also don't believe that it's going to make a lot of difference.  Baker is more a symptom than the disease, since he works in an organization where no one is accountable for their actions.  MacPhail has been on the job for 11+ seasons and has a pretty shameful record to show for it, yet his job appears safe.  Hendry should be on the bubble (come on, the Cubs organization eats contracts like his as though they're tapas), but in this organization everyone is Brownie, and everyone is doing a heckuva job.

This leads me to a conclusion far more sobering than "it's time to fire Baker", a conclusion I came to after the 2004 season when it was clear that the inmates were running the asylum.  The conclusion is that things look very bleak, and that the ship is completely adrift.  That the promise of good things I saw in 2002-03 was just a mirage, and we can only hope for the Cubs lucking into an occasional postseason appearance like they did in the 1980s and 1990s.

by dvdmgsr on Jul 24, 2006 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

About Hendry's deal...
... there is no doubt, that if he hadn't been extended back in April, there is NO way he'd get that extension now, and would likely be out the door in October.

I suppose the Cubs COULD eat the deal and let him go anyway, but that's something almost NO organization would do, dump someone so shortly after giving him a vote of confidence.

Time to wake up. This team's been sleeping too long. Fix it.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right about that...
They wouldn't dump Hendry seven months after extending him.  But again, that's a symptom of the overall culture of non-accountability.

by dvdmgsr on Jul 24, 2006 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Al. Really hard to argue
with anything you say.  
"We're only 37 games into it. I have a lot of faith in Dusty that he'll be able to pull us out."--- Jim Hendry 5/16/06 Chgo Tribune

by SonnyJ9 on Jul 24, 2006 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Denial & stubbornness
explain Baker's tenure to a tee, and like you stated Hendry's going down the same path.  

by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2006 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Too bad you can't email this post to Hendry
This offseason is probably one of the most important in recent cubs history, though I said the same thing last year.  With both sox winning, and the fans not wanting to wait until next year, Hendry needs to put a team together that can win the World Series, not just make the playoffs.

by Grnwithivy on Jul 24, 2006 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
... you have to get into the playoffs to win the WS, and so building a playoff-caliber team is the FIRST order of business.

As the Yankees have discovered, it is (relatively) easy to build a playoff team full of All-Stars -- not so easy to have that team go all the way.

But the point is, they've got to do some soul-searching, sit down and realize that pretty much everything they've done the last two years has failed, and start almost from scratch.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Building a team that can compete w/any AL team
I don't want the cubs to just make the playoffs or get into the 2nd round, and be satisfied like they were in 2003.

If any NL team wants to win the World Series, they have to look at the dominance of the AL, and ask themselves, can we compete against the Yankees, Sox (r/w), and Tigers.  And right now, only the Mets have a fair chance.

by Grnwithivy on Jul 24, 2006 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...
... it's not just the Cubs in the NL that need help, it's just about everyone. This is cyclical -- there have been times in baseball history that the NL has been as dominant as the AL has been the last few years.

Therefore, any NL team that wants to win the WS has to do BOTH -- both build a playoff-capable team, AND a WS-winning-capable team. As noted, it's not all that easy.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Building from scratch is what we should do
However it will not happen now. Hendry has a 2 year clock to save his job. There is no way he will fall on the rebuilding sword. I fear it will be another offseason of Jack Jones and Neifi Perez signings and Mark Prior prayers. At least all the games will be sold out.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jul 24, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post
Good job Al.  I can tell you spent a lot of time on this post and I think I can speak on behalf of all BCB readers when I say that we appreciate that.  You're the best.

The Hendry stuff is fascinating to me.  It seems that only in the past month or so that Cubs fans seem to not only question Dusty Baker but that they're now turning their heads to Jim Hendry.

I've had the chance to talk to him on 1 occassion and he was fantastic.  He smiled, chatted with me, and even signed a baseball.  One of the problems is that he almost set the bar too high with the Hundley deal, the Pirates deals, and the Nomar/Murton deal (which didn't totally pan out, but we gave up NOTHING to get them).  Even going into the '04 season, he made a great trade for Lee, signed Maddux, and signed Hawkins (which at the time was an outstanding pickup).

I think all of the above earned him a contract extension.  I'm just concerned about the Freddie Bynum part that Al mentioned.  We seem to fill our roster with everyone else's 26th man (Rusch, Neifi, Nevin, Womack, Bynum, Novoa, etc.)  We have a payroll of close to $100 million.  We should have a roster which deserves to be paid like it.  I don't know if I want Hendry gone, but I certainly am beginning to question him.

by Krande on Jul 24, 2006 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks....
... for the kind words. I did indeed spend quite a bit of time thinking about this post, and I hoped it would strike the chord in you guys which it apparently has.

I'd be saying the same thing about Hendry if he hadn't gotten the extension. He ought to be thanking his lucky stars that he got it. And after that, he's got to get to work, NOW.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your post
I am not arguing with you here, just responding with possible explanation of Baker's success with SFG.

You started with comments on Zimmer--Zim. was a terrible manager and yet the team won.  This happens all the time in baseball because over the course of 162 games the manager is largely irrelevant--or to put another way, teams can with with good performance from their players despite having a poor manager.

That's the primary reason for Baker doing well with SFG.  However, if people graded him by how he used pitchers and managed the lineup he would be rated poorly.  His bad managing is exposed in the playoffs. In a short series and in ther playoffs the manager's decisions are huge, the game is managed differently.  Dusty's poor managing contributed significantly to the Cubs missing the world series.

Yes, Dusty is in denial but he also cannot take any criticsim.  Normally I would not care, but this guy promotes himself so shamelessly it's sickening.  When a guy does that, in my opinion, he opens the door to more criticism.

Yes, this season was all bad luck and we are only 2 guys away from turning it around (Prior and Wood).  The fact is Z, P, and W carried this team in 2003 and the work load on P and W was too much.  That's why they won in 2003, and that's why we wait for them to return now.  2004 we shouyld have won but totally collapsed --Baker deserved firing right then and there.  Now it's a total mess...This team is getting worse because Hendry is coming up with players and when you have poor talent the bad manager really stands out.

by DudeVf1 on Jul 24, 2006 10:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All of this is true, too.
The 2004 collapse was, in part, Baker's fault because he had a man closing -- LaTroy Hawkins -- who had no business in that job. Hawkins was personally responsible for at least two of the final-week losses.

Then Baker KEPT him in that job in early 2005, despite knowing that he was unsuited. This goes back to more "denial".

Really, I do think Dusty Baker is a good man, but like Hank Bauer in the example from the book, he is seemingly incapable of accepting changing circumstances and adapting to them. ANY good manager -- not just in baseball, but in ANY business -- has to do this.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very well done, Al
I've been in the "Let Dusty finish the year and then bye-bye" camp for a month or two.  Through injuries and trading of the some of the spare parts (Williamson, Walker, Nevin, etc.), the kids will get a chance to play.  The problem is that I don't see much upside to any of the kids outside Marshall and Marmol.

That brings me to Hendry and the organization.  I am very pessimistic on the next few years.  We can argue the merits of Felix Pie, based on history I'm not sold, but outside of him there is absolutely no hitting help anywhere in sight.  Hendry and team have to fix that.  I see absolutely no indication that anyone thinks anything is wrong.  Angels fans are clamoring for Wood and Kendrick, we want to see Theriot and Fontenot, two 25+ yo AAA utility candidates?  

An organization (and especially Hendry) cannot build a contender without help from the farm as players or trade bait.  This year's FA class looks especially poor and we all want Hendry to turn it around from this class?  Carlos Lee will be a big mistake if he gets 5+ years.  I can see it now, in 2-3 years people are going to be screaming to dump him as he lumbers around in LF at 260 lbs.  He's a DH in waiting.

So I as I look to next year, I expect Hendry will try and patch it.  I see Zambrano, Marshall and Marmol.  Marmol will be struggling as he probably still hasn't improved his control.  The team will still be waiting on Prior.  Maybe a Mark Mulder will be around hoping to prove 2006 wasn't a fluke.  Lee (hopefully healthy), Ramirez and Barrett will provide most of the team's power.  Jones will still be in right but regressing to what should be expected of him.  Pierre will probably be back and another year older.  Lugo, Giles, Kennedy, Counsell, Cedeno will be in the infield.  The bullpen will be the same as this year.  The team will hope to contend against a much younger Brewers team and the Cards.  I can hardly wait.  

Sorry for the rambling but I just don't see much hope for any serious championship run in the near future.        

               

by rlpete on Jul 24, 2006 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the only reason you could hope...
... you could have said much the same thing after the 2002 season, with a cancer like Todd Hundley still on the roster, with a putrid Antonio Alfonseca at closer, with Jason Bere's 5.67 ERA in the rotation, and with people like Chris Stynes, Delino DeShields, and Darren Lewis as bench players.

Hendry remade that club in the offseason in dramatic fashion.

He needs to do that again. If he is given some financial resources, and is willing to take some chances, he CAN do it again.

Remember, only three years ago the Tigers were 43-119... and now they have the best record in baseball. Yes, a lot of that is from their farm system, but not all of it. It CAN be done.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except
2003 was also the arrival of Prior and Zambrano.  Unless I'm severely underestimating Marshall, Marmol and Hill, I don't see where that will repeat in 2007.    

by rlpete on Jul 24, 2006 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About pitching...
... who knows? Maybe a year's worth of experience for Marshall will result in him being a solid starter in 2007.

Or, maybe Hendry will bite the bullet and trade for a major league starter, or sign one.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They probably need to sign
or trade for 3 starters. Unfortunately, I think Hendry will sign one and go with Prior, Marshall and Marmol, which will be the downfall of 07, and perhaps Hendry.

by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2006 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent points, delivered like a gentleman
It's nice to see someone getting on the "dump Dusty" bandwagon without resorting to name calling and exagerration. I still believe that Dusty Baker can be a good manager, and that he was the right manager to hire for 2003, and that someday he will take a team to the playoffs again. But his low pressure "I'm just one of the guys" act has gotten stale with this particular team, and what they need right now is a little discipline and some fresh leadership. Bring on Fredi Gonzalez.

by jamie on Jul 24, 2006 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...
... although I'm not sure the vague term "discipline" is specifically necessary. Leadership is, whatever form that takes, and right now, it's not happening.

And you're right -- Baker will no doubt manage again, somewhere, and with the RIGHT team he can go to the playoffs again (Washington is a possible destination).

Baker's fatal flaw was thinking that the players who fit his "mold" (i.e. aggressive hitters, "speed" guys) was the way to win -- it's not. A Baker team wins because it has good players AND good player-leaders. This team has neither.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discipline
Yeah, that word is a little vague. I was thinking of what Bill James has written about why managers tend to lose effectiveness after their first few years with a team. To paraphrase, if a new manager calls you out, it's a wake-up call, but if your old manager does it, it's a betrayal. If Dusty had good "player-leaders", as you say, this wouldn't be an issue. But as it stands, he's in a lose-lose situation that wouldn't be a problem for a new manager.

by jamie on Jul 24, 2006 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprise?
Great post Al.

Question though, what was the "surprise" that you mentioned early in the post?  Was it that you would like Gonzalez now instead of your former favorite, Joey Cora?

by ontheuptick on Jul 24, 2006 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No...
... I figured the surprise was that I was joining the "goodbye Dusty" crowd.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew...
..it was one of those two.  Thanks for clearing that up.

by ontheuptick on Jul 24, 2006 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, thanks for a well thought out post, ...
...which hits the nail on the head.The problem with the cubs is at every level. Dusty needs to go and I have no qualms about waiting until the end of the season although I'd rather do it today, but who would replace him now?

Hendry? Needs to go now. Eat the contract, it happens all the time, but again who do you bring in now to replace him? So I guess you wait until the end of the season.

Bring in The Donald as new owner? Crazy and this leads to the BIGGEST cub problem.The cubs are much more valuable to the Trib than a new ownership group, which makes a sale very difficult. Trib gets a good cash flow from the cubs/WGN. A new owner (or group)will need to use this cash flow to pay down purchase debt, so there will be no infusion of $$$$ going to baseball operations. Hold out hope for a group that pays cash and doesn't need to service debt----it could happen, but who would pay $400-600,000,000 and not expect a return on investment? Thus, you must look to new revenue sources---what are they? Ballpark is packed with high ticket prices and high concession prices, plus new owners don't have WGN and cannot get a better broadcast deal. So where do new owners get the $$$ to improve baseball operations? They don't and that's where we are today.

The best owner for the cubs is Tribco, but since they don't give a damn about the cubs except to use cubbie cash flow for other operations, you can change managers, gms and team presidents, but you'll never get anywhere.

But getting rid of Baker and Hendry would at least be doing something right. Wouldn't it be great to bring in someone who would build up the farm system?

"I was not in optimum condition to manage ," Dusty said. "I regret that lapse in judgment."

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Jul 24, 2006 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the Cub ownership...
... DOES want to win, but they have gone too far in pleasing the sponsors & marketing dept. (as noted in the coaches having to hold clinics for sponsors while players have to wait -- that's ridiculous and has to stop), and not put enough resources into player development.

If they'd do that -- and even with Tribco in some financial straits, they COULD do that -- I believe that the current management could build a winner (with a new manager).

After all, Jim Hendry DID do that in 2003, and that wasn't just lightning in a bottle, it was well-thought-out and shrewdly done. He's just got to sit down, rethink the current state of the team, and get to work.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, they want to win ,but...
I think that the statements that the Cubs management doesn't want to win are overblown.  Of course they'd rather be winners than losers. I think the basic problem is, they don't know how to win.

Obviously, winning in the majors isn't simple.  Look at how few teams actually have long term success.

Yankees, Braves, A's, Cardinals (I'm sure I'm forgetting a team or two)...while there are a few teams that have been good for the last few years, you need to look back 10 years and see how they were doing.  The Tigers have been dreadful since '88, but are doing well now.  The Marlins have two titles, but in between they've been mediocre to awful.  Same with the Red and White Sox.  Good lately, but not consistent over a long time.  Truthfully, the Twins are a team that have been very good for a long time, but struggle to keep players now that they are designated a "small market" team.  But they've got a model that works.

Knowing how to run a system (not just a team, since the Cubs aren't going to spend like the Yankees) that can both be successful in the majors and develop young talent and get the most out of it is hard.

by SiValleyCubFan on Jul 24, 2006 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My husband and I
argue about Dusty all the time. He's been a Dusty backer but lately it's been hard for him to do that. I just forwarded him this post at his office. I have a feeling he will agree now that Dusty has to go.

Thanks Al, you can tell you put a lot of thought into your post.

I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Jul 24, 2006 10:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

better late than never
the fact that there are on field, pre game clinincs for non players makes me want to burn everything with a c on it.  Trib has to go.

by mike bornemann on Jul 24, 2006 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You scared me Al
After reading the title I thought you were leaving and shutting down BCB.  Glad to see that you just climbed aboard the "fire Dusty" bandwagon instead.  Come on in, the waters fine!

Excellent post, well thought out and well written.  Great point about Hank Bauer as well, what was written about him is eerily simillar to our current situation.

by pageian on Jul 24, 2006 11:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While I agree completely...
That Dusty should be fired, I do not believe at all that he will be fired.

I believe he will get a one to two year contract this Fall, that he will agree to it, and we'll be stuck with him through 2008.

So while I am on the Fire Dusty Bandwagon because my conscience won't let me be anywhere else, I also have absolutely no faith that he will be let go at season's end.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I feel a change in the wind as the media seems to be backing off on Dusty, while the front office seems to have taken the stance that the Cubs, with a few alterations, will be a winner next year and that this team has simply suffered too many injuries to be successful. That Hendry failed to take into consideration the overwhelming probability for injury to the parts he was relying on the heaviest, and that Dusty didn't motivate properly the pieces that were healthy will be mostly glossed over with a few, muted dissenting voices in the media and the blogosphere reminding us of such.

I also see that most of the virulence against Dusty has become quieter in recent weeks as most of the angriest Cubs fans have simply become too disgusted and dazed by the losing to keep their voices heard, and have gone on to concentrate on other things.  Because of this I honestly believe that Dusty has already survived the worst of the storm. The window for public opinion to sway Cubs management into making a move was 2 or 3 weeks ago, when Dusty was surrounded on all sides with fever-pitch clamouring for his head, yet it didn't happen. And honestly, consistent vociferous rage from a large group of people is simply too difficult to keep sustained over long periods of time, and most of us have become too repulsed and too numb to the losing to keep our voices heard loud and strong.  Add to that the fact that Wrigley Field is still sold out every game, and you have no real tangible proof that the fans have had it with the team and will stop filling the ballpark.  

And since the truck isn't being backed up, and since it appears no part of any significance will be dealt in order to restock the farm system, it is becoming more and more evident that this team will merely reload and go for it all next season.

With that in mind I find it becoming more and more doubtful that Dusty will be fired. He'll point to his record in San Fran, where he endured and survived a couple of abysmal seasons and then presided over 8 consecutive winning years, a few players, like Derrek Lee and Zambrano, will go to bat for Dusty and say he should be brought back, and finally Hendry, who is clearly doing everything he can to bring Dusty back, will agree, will reiterate that Dusty is still the man for the job, that the players have spoken, and will himself take the some of the responsibility (which he should) for putting together this shoddy team while sharing most of it with those ever willing scapegoats Bad Luck and Injuries, and then proceed to fill in around guys like Aramis, Lee, Zambrano, etc.  

Now, before everyone starts drowning their sorrows with Drano, let me say that that just might work. Aramis, Lee, Zambrano are not bad pieces to fill in around. And in the pantheon of bad teams, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Washington, etc, the Cubs are probably in the best position to be good in 2007, and it's not like the National League is loaded with excellent teams. The NL has become like the Eastern Conference in the NBA, and really, considering the field, it wouldn't take a whole lot to get the Cubs back to a kind of faux respectability. And so, with that in mind, I am beginning to think, for better or worse, that the Cubs will make one or two moves of major significance this Fall. It could mean Carlos Lee. It could mean somebody like Carl Crawford, or even Jason Schmidt, who the Cubs just missed out on in 2001. But it could also very well mean the absolute gutting of the farm system, and young guys like Pie, Marmol, Guzman, Marshall, Pawalek, Gallagher, etc being dealt so this team can make runs in 07 and 08.

After all there is the Cubs Convention to consider, not to mention first day ticket sales, and either Hendry is planning on cancelling any Meet the GM and Manager sessions, or he plans on making serious moves in order to combat those who will go and scream the heavens down at him.

While before I thought he might sacrifice Dusty in order to save his own neck, I am more and more convinced that he will instead offer the fans a Carlos Lee and/or a Jason Schmidt and hope that will be enough to appease the masses. Instead of Moneyball, Hendry will play Minayaball, do a very brief Steinbrenner impersonation, buy a couple of big names, and hope that will be enough.  

(Of course, there's always the most pessimistic side of self, that says he will keep Dusty, sign Cliff Floyd and Ted Lilly, of course bring back Kerry Wood, guarantee him a role in the rotation, and then say we're loaded for bear next year.)

But unless I'm gravely mistaken, there will be no restocking of the farm system, there will be no fire sale, and while a few coaches like Clines and Matthews will probably get the ax, the main culprits, Rothschild, Baker, Hendry, MacPhail, and the Great Satan Tribune Company, will be alive and well going into 2007.

Sweet Dreams Cubs fans.

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the key to what you wrote.
After all there is the Cubs Convention to consider, not to mention first day ticket sales, and either Hendry is planning on cancelling any Meet the GM and Manager sessions, or he plans on making serious moves in order to combat those who will go and scream the heavens down at him.

Exactly. If nothing else, the suits HAVE to be worried that this will hit them in their pocketbooks. First day ticket sales are likely to be half what they were this year, maybe even less.

They know they HAVE to do something. That's why the A-Rod thing has been explored. Not only is he a great player, but highly marketable. Even in down years like 2000 and 2002, the Cubs could market Sammy Sosa. They don't have anyone like that now -- Derrek Lee isn't a marketable guy, great as he is, and Z, well, maybe he could be, but pitchers only go once every fifth day.

Hendry HAS to wake up, and NOW.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true...
While there will be not hit in the pocketbook this year, I think the Cubs brass has to be worried about next year.

Another subpar offseason and we might very well see first day ticket sales drop by a significant percentage.

For the first time in history the Tribune might be forced to spend more money on the Cubs in order to make more money.  

And while there's this knee-jerk thing in me that seizes up whenever I try to imagine the Cubs front office spending a ton of money on the offseason, it is entirely possible that that is exactly what they do.

Perchance a 115 million dollar payroll next year?

Laugh, and I'll laugh too, but it just might be possible.

Whether they spend it properly remains to be seen.

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But
Who are the Cubs going to spend money on?  Barry Zito will have zero interest in the Cubs (my bet is he winds up with the Mets or Dodgers).  Alfonso Soriano is likely destined for the Yankees.  Carlos Lee isn't what the Cubs need given that they already have the right-handed bats of Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Michael Barrett.  

So please, explain who the Cubs are going to shower all this money on?  What the Cubs WILL DO is go after more "B grade" or "fading veteran" free agents.  Think Cliff Floyd and Craig Counsell.  Forget about Barry Zito and Alfonso Soriano.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I said...
... the Cubs not only have to make a splash talent-wise, but marketing-wise. Floyd & Counsell won't do that.

I've heard others (including my friend Phil) say the same thing about Carlos Lee ("too many right-hand bats"). Please. The Cubs need BATS. Doesn't matter what side they hit from.

FWIW, I think Soriano is headed to the Angels, if anywhere, and now that the Nats ownership has officially changed, they might just keep him.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Lee
will be handed a minimum of $60 million this winter.  There is very little chance the Cubs will be the team doing the handing over.  And in this circumstance, I will agree with the decision of Jim Hendry and the Tribune Company bean counters.  The Cubs have been forever trying to fix the dysfunctionality and limited dimension nature of their offense.  Carlos Lee simply doesn't fit, especially at the dollars he will command.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right...
But then again, his bat would be a monumental improvement over the Pagan/Murton/Nevin abortion currently manning left field.

But then we're talking about a player 30 years old who has never posted a .900 OPS looking to command at least 12 million per.

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just heard on ESPN Radio
noon Pacific time that our dear friends on the south side are finalizing a deal for Soriano.

FWIW,

probably not much.

by JFCubFan on Jul 24, 2006 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Carlos Lee...
Will be disregarded simply because of what side of the plate he hits from.

Like Al said the Cubs need bats. Right now they can't get picky about which side of the plate these bats hit from.

Jason Schmidt would be a big splash if the Cubs decided to go after him, though he is 34, and I see disaster on the horizon if the Cubs were to give him a 4 year deal.

But there are more ways to take on money than just signing free agents. In my earlier post I mentioned that the direction the Cubs are taking might lead them to trade away what decent prospects we have left.

And the offseason trade market hasn't been established beyond a few names and there are always surprises. Right now the market is Abreu, Tejada, and either of those names would also constitute a major splash. And then there's the A-Rod murmurings, which get louder with each error he makes on the field and each strikeout at the dish.  

However, I recognize the very strong possibility that the Cubs go Floyd and Eaton, and then prattle on about how that will be enough.

You can't be a Cubs fan with a knowledge of their history and not recognize that very real possibility. All I'm saying is that it is also very possible that the Cubs up payroll by 15 million or so, an idea more possible now than in any year I've known.

 

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trades
Jim Hendry came out and said he won't trade Aramis Ramirez or Michael Barrett right now.  We shall assume that Derrek Lee and Carlos Zambrano are also off the market.  If you exclude those four from offseason manuevering, who then do the Cubs have of decent value to trade?  Answer is not much.  

The Cubs are really boxed into a bad corner right now.  The farm system sucks, the free agent market is limited (and has NEVER been the salvation of this franchise anyway) and there is little in-house to trade.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are making
a good case to me that it WILL be another 100 years, at least, lol...it doesn't look good..

by DudeVf1 on Jul 24, 2006 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey - here's an answer
Let's sign Danny Jackson to a big, long-term contract! Or if he's not available, how about Jose Guzman?

by danimal15 on Jul 24, 2006 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said it yourself..."right now"...
At the end of the year it could be a different story.

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should be "they" not "there"
At the beginning of that.

Sorry. I let the monkey type the first sentence.

Last time he wrote "It was the best of times it was the blurst of times."

Thought I'd give him a second chance.

Stupid monkey.

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But doesn't that mean
that boycotts work?  

You can argue intent, but regardless of whether people avoid the ballpark out of disgust, apathy, or with the resolve to not financially support the team due to its inept management AND ownership, concern over the bottom line may force change.

Either it matters or it doesn't.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

by Pa on Jul 24, 2006 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
He has weathered the storm.  Any move now would be a suprise.  The Trib is already starting the drum-beat of "Just a few pieces away from contention next year", if any of you caught the paper this morning.

It's not that the Cubs are bad that is disappointing, it is the slap in the face that the fans seemingly get with this team day in and day out.

No one answers to the fans.  No one answers to anyone with this mess.

NLBallClub

by NLBallClub on Jul 24, 2006 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good news and bad news...
good news = cubs are only 3 players away from contention in 2007.

bad news = the 3 are the father, the son, and the holy ghost.

by dc60123 on Jul 24, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Insert crappy...
American Pie "caught the last train for the coast..." reference here.

by theprognosticator on Jul 24, 2006 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone please
send copies of "Management by Baseball" to MacPhail, Hendry, & Baker along with a copy of Al's "Time to Say Farewell" manifesto?

by JFCubFan on Jul 24, 2006 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will remind you ...
... that Cub email addresses generally take the form:

firstinitiallastname (at) cubs (dot) com

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was scared for a second also....
I thought Al was shutting BCB down. Whew. While I'm a relatively new member here, I must admit I've lurked here for several months. After a move from the Midwest to the West Coast, I just couldn't get my Cub-fix. Thank you Al for BCB.
But you did hit the nail on the head, as others here previously pointed out. Probably like many Cub fans here, I've been one since boyhood, catching Bruce Sutter notching another save on WGN after I walked home from school. And the pain we've all been through over the years. It's a true common-bond if there ever was one.
Hendry does need to get this thing righted. And somewhere when he's at the end of his day, and possibly sitting at home, he's got to realize the state of this team, and how his legacy is tied to it. Right now Jim, it ain't lookin' too hot. The autumn of '03 has long since faded, with only memories left. The time is now. Work your mojo, or have Austin Powers help you get it back. Plan your work, work your plan.

Meat

In Dusty We Sucky In Fredi We Betta

by MaTheMeatloaf on Jul 24, 2006 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dusty Baker
I am neither a Dusty basher or a Dusty apologist.  I have maintained that Dusty isn't the primary problem, but rather the roster handed to him by Hendry.  That being said, it is time for Dusty to go.  Hendry is going nowhere for the next two seasons short of the Cubs losing 110 games in 2007 or his engaging in some sort of gross misconduct.  

Hiring a new manager will be akin to affixing a band-aid on a patient who needs quadruple bypass surgery.  But if it is a fresh band-aid that people want, then that is what they shall get. But please be mindful that the odds of this franchise being back to this same ugly position in four years all over again is strong.  Cub fans love to get ridulously excited about a new manager.  We're cyclical about these things.  Only trouble is the cyclicality of things still has done zero to bring a World Series title to the northside.  And I doubt it will this time either.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Changing
Thate is an excellent analysis.

My thought is that at some point the Cubs are going to decide on some major changes.  Probably this will happen after the season.  It will make complete sense to bring in a new manager at that time. Basically, the team will need a fresh start.

One interesting thing for the remainder of this season is the question of which current players might form the nucleus of a new team. There are 2-3 obvious choices, but that's probably not enough.  The Cubs are going to have to take a chance on a minimum of 6-7 for next year (although there may be more trades after that).  It's especially hard to judge the rookies, but finding 1-2 that are worth hanging on to for the long term would make a lot of difference.

"Cubs fans can take it. We are not like the others." -- Bill Murray

by routinepopfly on Jul 24, 2006 12:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As if things weren't bad enough
Other than moving Todd Walker for a new peanut vendor, I don't anticipate any other moves prior to July 31st.  Which of course is pathetic.  Jim Hendry has absolutely convinced himself that a few tweaks during the offseason is all that will be needed to make this a playoff contending team in 2007.  

I guess denial and delusional thinking go with the territory when you've just been handed a 2 year extension in the midst of your team having a 100 loss season.  The Tribune Company and Andy McFail are so proud of their GM.  Pardon me while I go vomit now.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 1:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

trades
Hey - don't be too hard on Hendry. He got us two fine young players for Williamson. There's a tight market for Single A pitchers with ERA's over 5 who have attitude problems as well.

by danimal15 on Jul 24, 2006 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just read Jim Hendry
is going after either ARod, Tejada, and Abreu..hahaha yea ok... Like we would land any star players...Jim dosent want to give up Felix Pie, or Hill or any of his guys that wont even be major league ready for the next 3 or 4 years..Theyll be in the minors forever.. and well never make it to the world series because hes to worried about his farm system and the futre rather than right now of 97 year suffering..If I was GM,wed already have Tejada,Soriano and Abreu and sum pitching and not rely on Brokearm Mountain Wood and Prior

by PrimeTime on Jul 24, 2006 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More sunshine on your day
Derrek Lee put on the 15 day DL.  Great news for Phil Nevin fans everywhere.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot of negativity here
If I can say one thing in particular it's this, "You're never as good or as bad as you think you are."

OK, maybe I'm just the eternal optimist, but I really think that this off season will be different than other ones.  This season has been an absolute nightmare.  I just don't think that it's going to be business as usual for Cubs management.  I do not believe that FitzSimons or McPhail are stupid businessmen.  If they put out a crappy team, they still make money, but if they put out a better team, they make more money.  I'm sure that fact has not escaped any of them.  

Whether it happens before July 31 or after is something that we will just have to wait and see.  

by NO100 on Jul 24, 2006 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!
It CAN'T be "business as usual". They all HAVE to know this -- because if it is, people will stay away in droves.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the desk of Andy McFail
Dear Cub Fans:

With the White Sox' impending trade for Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee going on the DL, the Tribune Company has elected to negotiate a deal with the organizers of the Gay Games to extend their use of Wrigley Field through the end of September.  Jim Hendry and I are going on extended vacation just as soon as he dumps Todd Walker for a new peanut vendor.  Will pick up where we left things once the winter meetings roll around in December.  Not that I want to create any false hope or anything, but we are reasonably certain we'll have the inside track at signing Cliff Floyd and Craig Counsell.  Plus we expect a big rebound year from Tony Womack.  Now if only we can get Mark Prior over his mental crisis and purchase a bionic arm replacement for Kerry Wood.  

Keep the faith.  We're working as hard as we can on this thing.  I've only been Team President for 12 years.  Patience is in order.

Best personal regards,

Andy McFail

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Counsell
I think getting Counsell is absolutely key. And if they can also bring Julio Franco to the North Side, I think they'll be a lock to take the division next year!

by danimal15 on Jul 24, 2006 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Source: ChiSox 'extremely close' to Soriano deal
Wow... another world series for the south side... That lineup would jsut be filthy..averaging liek 15 runs a game.. Im sick and disgusted to be a cubs fan right now..We cant make any moves and pick up stars like that while kenny williams has been doing it for the past 2 years

by PrimeTime on Jul 24, 2006 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that
Jim Hendry isn't tirelessly working to re-acquire Matt Stairs as we speak to play first base?!?!  Cut Jim a break please.  

by Mike63 on Jul 24, 2006 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's your point?

 Are you saying that the Cubs should  be out trying to acquire Alfonso Soriano Mike? Why?

 Plus this is like the ninth post where you've said they're going to acquire Counsell and Floyd in the off season? Any reason behind this? oOr are you just saying Hendry will do this so you can complain about them?

 How about telling us a trade you would like to see hendry make? How about a trade YOU would make if you were in charge of the Cubs?

How about something other than the tired "hendry is a joke and I'm gonna make fun of him because it makes me feel better about myself" post that we've read from you for the last two months.

I'm not saying you're not right. You usually are. It's just your tone is so one note negative it's really depressing.

by yahoodi on Jul 24, 2006 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...
thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Jul 24, 2006 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since the World Series last year
all of the White Sox moves have been moving away from "grinder baseball".  Last year at thsi time, the White SOx were coasting and waiting to get intot he playoffs.  This year, not so much.  With the limited resources that all teams have, I don't see how using those limited resources on the White Sox getting Soriano to be a good thing for them.

The Yankees won how many WS with him?  How many did they win with the All Star team they put together the last few years?  I don't htink htis is smart for the Sox.  Offense is not their problem.

by NO100 on Jul 24, 2006 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps
Hendry was so in awe of Baker that he allowed Dusty too much input into deciding which players the team needed. It seemed every time that there was an acquisition or trade we'd all hear from Baker as to what his people had to say about the guy. Is this one of the reasons for the dropoff in productive activity from Hendry the past years?
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Jul 24, 2006 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling...
... that's exactly what has happened, because the types of players Hendry has acquired in the last two years have been far different than the first two.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re
Welcome aboard, Al.  Better late than never.

by Jed Taylor on Jul 24, 2006 6:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post
As usual, Al, I rely on you to bring order to chaos.  I don't view your post as "negative" at all.  Thoughtless stuff like "Dusty Sux" and "We Will Never Win Again" is negative.  This is constructive criticism.

But if Dusty goes, what happens to Neifi?

by 08Cubs on Jul 24, 2006 7:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL
I imagine the next manager will either lobby hard for trading him, OR will use him properly, as a defensive replacement/once-a-week starter.

by Al on Jul 24, 2006 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he would be traded to Toronto
where their manager could challenge him to a fight....

by LT on Jul 24, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
What about this from Angus's website?
Find out why baseball managers like Joe Torre and Dusty Baker are better role models for business, government and non-profit management than even the most respected corporate giants.

I cringe to think of what a government run by Dusty Baker would be like.  Neifi would be Secretary of Defense.

by 08Cubs on Jul 24, 2006 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re
I'd hate to see what a business run by Dusty Baker would look like.  But I wouldn't have long to look, because any business where there's no accountability and the boss' main goal is to be buddies with everyone won't be around long enough to really see.

If Baker has any redeeming value (and I'm not even sure this is the case), it's that he's a facilitator.  This means for him to be successful, he must be given a team that's already fully prepared to execute and self-disciplined enough not to stray from the group's mission.

First, we'd have to overlook the fact that someone in the organization has to exist to assemble such a team for Baker, so Baker himself can hardly be said to be its leader.  More importantly, there has never been, and never will be, an organization that comes to its leader pre-assembled for success.  Winning organizations are built, not immaculately conceived.  And anyone who thinks Dusty Baker is capable of such building has been asleep during his over-extended tenure in Chicago.

by Jed Taylor on Jul 25, 2006 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your
speech reminds me of what it would sound like if someone declared a "war on terror" on March 27 2002.

 What exactly are you looking for Yellon? Some medal for stating the obvious?

by Matt Allison on Jul 25, 2006 4:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome....
to the world of the living Al!

We have been waiting for you.

As someone who professes to be a baseball fan, I am shocked/ disappointed it took you this long to figure this out.  My guess is that the Cubs Kool Aid ran dry. Still, it is nice to see that you have arrived.  

 

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Jul 25, 2006 7:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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OT: Big Ten Football Thread, Nov. 21
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Grabow to sign
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SI archive story on Sandberg and Salaries
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OT -- Head to Evanston to Root on Northwestern -- 11/21 v. Wisconsin
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On Harden and the Players Jim Hendry Lets Go
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Annual Mark Prior Comeback Thread V. 5.0
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