Oh, Tony, Grow Up!
That's what Mike said when a Braden Looper pitch apparently hit Ronny Cedeno in the 8th inning of the Cubs' 6-5 win over the Cardinals this afternoon.
Plate umpire Ed Montague eventually ruled that the ball hit Cedeno's bat, which brought Dusty Baker out of the dugout to argue as animatedly as I've ever seen him, leading to his ejection and people actually chanting "Dusty! Dusty!" -- something I'd never thought I'd see, especially after this year.
Seriously, Tony LaRussa has been playing these Mickey Mouse mind games with Baker ever since that tense September 2003 series (or maybe even before that, if you have read the book "3 Nights In August", about the Cub/Cardinal series in August of that year), and it's time for it to stop. There is absolutely NO way that the pitch that hit Scott Rolen -- on a 1-2 count -- was intentional. Why would the Cubs want to do that? It wound up loading the bases, setting up Juan Encarnacion's double which cut the Cub lead by two runs.
On the other hand, Looper's pitch that hit Aramis Ramirez absolutely, positively was intentional, and I'm surprised the benches weren't warned after that -- if they had been, Looper would have been tossed after throwing high and inside to Cedeno.
I can imagine I'm going to get flamed over at Viva El Birdos for saying this, but really, it IS time for LaRussa to grow up. Ozzie Guillen plays these sorts of games and HE has to grow up, too. LaRussa's been managing for over 25 years -- he ought to be able to get his teams to win without this sort of nonsense.
Maybe he's getting a little worried. The Cubs are now 8-3 against the Cardinals and yes, I know St. Louis is still four games in first place but they sure don't look like a first-place team when they play at Wrigley Field. Their defense has been suspect, their pinch-hitting poor, and their bullpen looks awful. Albert Pujols, who is beating the heck out of the rest of the league, is 6-for-38 against the Cubs this year with only one home run.
Meanwhile, the Cubs fell behind early after Carlos Marmol, who breezed through the first two innings, started walking people, as he has done in all of his last several starts. This gives me the idea, as has been discussed elsewhere, that Marmol might be better suited to relief pitching, maybe even closing. He can throw lights-out for an inning or two, and then either starts overthrowing, or losing focus, or both, and the walks both dragged out the game and helped lead to St. Louis taking the lead -- although thanks to Novoa (yes, THANKS to Novoa), the lead was maintained and Marmol wound up with a well-deserved win.
The story of the game again was the Cardinal defense -- yet another Scott Rolen error allowed an inning to continue after it should have been over, and Juan Pierre ripped a bases-clearing triple just inside the first-base line, and although the Cubs had other chances, the six-run inning turned out to be enough after Ryan Dempster had a 1-2-3 ninth. I've been saying for quite some time that one of the reasons that Dempster has had so many failures is that closers generally need consistent closing work three or four times a week to be successful. With the Cubs not having many save opportunities, Dempster was unable to get into a pitching rhythm, as he had last year. Now, the last two days, he has had back-to-back save opportunities, and did better today than yesterday. If you don't think that's important, consider this: this is only the second time all year that Dempster has had save opportunities in consecutive games -- the other was June 9 and 10 at Cincinnati.
We had a group of what appeared to be what Howard called "frat types" in front of us, but when Jeff talked to them, they turned out to be three thirtysomething sisters and their boyfriends/fiances -- and so, all of them received BCB cards; if you're here from those cards, welcome!
It was quite hot today -- over 90 degrees and humid, although with a nice breeze, and the heat's supposed to stick around all the way through Monday or Tuesday; hey, this is what I always hope for when it's 43 degrees and freezing in April, hot days like this -- it's what summer in Chicago is all about.
I still believe there will be a deal or two made by Jim Hendry before Monday's trade deadline (3 pm CT, in case you were wondering) -- but I will almost guarantee you (see, I've learned, you have to hedge in this business!) that those deals will NOT include Greg Maddux. Although there may be two or three teams interested, none of them seem willing to give up what the Cubs would want in return. Yes, it's true, Maddux isn't what he used to be. But he is a Hall of Fame pitcher. And that deserves a bit of respect in a trade situation -- more than two mediocre A-ball pitchers (as the Cubs got for Scott Williamson). Prediction: Maddux not only starts tomorrow, but then again Thursday vs. the Diamondbacks, and for the rest of the season in a Cub uniform.
Finally -- and don't faint, yes, you are going to see criticism of Cub management here. I heard a rumor today that the Cubs were considering raising ticket prices in 2007 by up to 7 per cent.
This would be a big, big, big, BIG mistake. All of you know, and many of you are a part of this, how restless and unhappy the bulk of Cub fandom is over this calamity of a season. Ticket prices are quite high, compared to most other teams in baseball. Yes, up to now, tickets have sold in great bunches, both season tickets and single-game tickets (the Cubs, as you likely know, set a record for first-day-of-sales this year with nearly 600,000 sold).
If ticket prices go up -- AT ALL -- there's going to be open revolt, I think. Yes, I realize the cost of everything continues to rise, and I realize that the Cubs might indeed want to increase payroll in 2007 to attract the Carlos Lee's of the world. It says here that they can well afford it without a ticket price increase.
As a gesture of good will toward fans who have suffered long enough, I call on the Cubs to hold the line on ticket prices for next year. It's the least they can do.
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Maddux
Still, you're right on one thing. Hendry is not going to have Maddux retire a Dodger in exchange for a couple of C prospects playing in A ball. Teams will have to give up something to get him, and with the way he's pitched lately, I have trouble believing any team would do that.
The Dodgers are the one team that might be nutty enough though.
by Josh77 on Jul 28, 2006 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Given what I've heard...
If he does clear waivers -- and I'm not so sure he will -- the deadline is August 31, because isn't part of the point of dealing him if they do, to get him to the postseason? You can't do that trading him after August 31.
Also, the Dodgers are in last place and rapidly falling out of both the wild card and NL West races. They're only a game ahead of the suddenly-hot Nationals, and if the Nats win the first two games of their series with the Dodgers, don't be surprised if LA becomes a last-day seller rather than buyer.
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
The Angels in 2002 named Steve Green, who had been injured in spring training and never pitched that season, to their playoff roster. Oops, he's hurt. So Frankie Rodriguez, who didn't get called up until Sept 12 or so, got named to replace Green. All prefectly legal.
So actually Maddux could be picked up after September 1, especially to a team that has a pitcher go down to an injury.
Oh, and I doubt Maddux will go to the Dodgers too. I just think that you can't predict whether or not Frank McCourt will stick his nose in this and say "Get Maddux."
by Josh77 on Jul 28, 2006 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about the injury exception...
It's something MLB ought to eliminate, IMO.
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankie Rodriguez
by Tallone on Jul 29, 2006 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux may Yet retire a Dodger
He has said he wants to play another year
and I assure you money is not going to
be much an issue to him. I suspect if
Colletti does not get him now , he might
get him in the off season.
I keep going back and forth on he will/won't
be traded. To be on the "safe" side I bet
Al a big gulp that he WILL since I ALWAYS
lost this kind of bet. Also Steve Phillips
just said he would not be traded so now
I am SURE he will as Phillips is NEVER right
by jessica on Jul 28, 2006 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely doubt...
by Blood Brother on Jul 28, 2006 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know what...
Unless the Cubs make a major splash in the free-agent market, the first day of sales next February is likely to generate less than half the number of sales that this year did, especially if there's a price increase.
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scalpers having to sell for less
by colossus on Jul 28, 2006 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say it was a bad thing...
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has to be a hint at
by colossus on Jul 28, 2006 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's what it is...
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
by colossus on Jul 28, 2006 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can spend...
by sparkles721 on Jul 28, 2006 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the stock market
Of course, the team may actually be worse or the same as this year. Well, they already have their money and all the ticketholders have are their promises. If history has taught us anything, it's that many are promised, but few are delivered.
by tharr on Jul 29, 2006 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...sure
That, of course was before this team began to seriously suck.
by JFCubFan on Jul 28, 2006 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
Jim Hendry's going to give Baker a two-year extension after the season to match his own tenure, and he's going to do so then because it will cause the least amount of backlash and give the Cubs the most amount of time to try to convince the fanbase that this is a good thing.
Between that and yet another increase in ticket prices, we're going to see a solid block of people abandon ship next February made up of both former regular single-game buyers and scalpers who can't even move STL tickets these days.
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by Jed Taylor on Jul 28, 2006 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely true.
I do NOT believe Baker will be given an extension. As a matter of respect for him, I think Hendry is going to allow him to finish his tenure this year and then let him go.
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paranoia...
The Cubs hold back tickets for their VIP's and the players. They also hold back tickets to sell to group sales.
About 72 hours prior to any game they start releasing those seats on the Internet and at the Box Office. Usually the 'better' seats aren't available until closer to the game.
Everyone thinks that this is some type of conspiracy and that it's about ticket brokers. I think it's the way they run their business.
by Tallone on Jul 29, 2006 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It's not a conspiracy - everyone knows the Cubs have been skimming seats from the pool and instead of selling them at the printed face value, they've been moving them at scalpers' markups via their Premium Ticket Service.
The difference is, this year no one's buying, so what they're doing now is dumping those tickets back into the regular ticketing system, which is why suddenly seats all over Wrigely Field, from best to worst, show up to previously sold-out games.
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by Jed Taylor on Jul 29, 2006 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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On Wednesday, the only game of the STL series that had tickets available via the Cubs website was Friday's game, where virtually every section had seats available. Both weekend games offered the "T" icon for tickets, but when you clicked on it, it reported that system had no tickets available.
Now, however, if you click on the "T" for Sunday's game, virtually every section of the park has tickets for sale, including the bleachers. The Cubs weren't holding back VIP tickets in the upper deck reserved outfield, nor were they holding back so many tickets that there are now available seats all over the park.
These tickets come from one source - the Cubs Premium Ticket Service. And since they couldn't scalp them, they are having a firesale at face value, when all along they should have been for sale in the same manner they've suddenly been made available.
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by Jed Taylor on Jul 29, 2006 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of this is absolutely true...
by Al on Jul 29, 2006 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further...
It doesn't work that way.
by Al on Jul 29, 2006 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the Strategy
Hanging over my desk I have a screen capture off WGN from a game earlier this year with me sitting in the fifth row behind the plate. I got this seat the day before the game off the website.
I'm debating what to do with my season tickets next year. I will probably keep them because it would cost more than the whole paackage to get postseason tickets, assuming they are ever sold again. But as several have mentioned, it is getting tougher to unload extras, and this obviously costs when you are out of town and can't make it to many games.
by 08Cubs on Jul 29, 2006 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicken-
He also said the Wrigley field operates totally separate from the Cubs and IS NOT allowed to sell it's tickets back to the Cubs.
by Tallone on Jul 29, 2006 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
Visit The Digital Gazette
by Jed Taylor on Jul 29, 2006 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ticket Prices
That they may tweak a couple of things - prices for the Bleacher Box Seats and possible the Bullpen Box Seats but other than that flat pricing.
I know this makes for great conversation but before you create a 'eruption' you should make sure your sources are credible. I believe that mine are very credible.
by Tallone on Jul 29, 2006 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I sure hope your sources are accurate. Keeping ticket prices level for next year would be appropriate, considering the team's performance.
I note that the bleacher boxes have been mostly empty this year -- I wonder if "tweaking" those prices downward a bit would help sell more of them.
by Al on Jul 29, 2006 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleacher Boxes
I think that is the cause of the tweaking.
by Tallone on Jul 29, 2006 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what will they do?
What can they do about it, save some further reconstruction?
by Al on Jul 29, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was one of those
Turned out to be a damned good purchase, as it was Maddux's last great start on his way to be 5-0 with an under 2.0 ERA, and we won 6-2. Made my flying up to Chicago for the game (and to see my brother, as the excuse :) ) well worth it.
Those seats were a lot better than I even thought they would be...I had a perfect view and loved it. Of course, nothing can replace my experience in the bleachers on my 21st birthday in September (18) 2005 vs the Cardinals, where we also won.
BTW, my record at Wrigley is 3-0. My record for away games is 0-2 (Once in Atlanta, 1997ish, once this season in Houston). I'm accepting donations to get me to Wrigley more often!!!
by sanantonecub on Jul 28, 2006 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm 6-0 this season
If they raise ticket prices, I'll go to maybe one or two next season.
by colossus on Jul 28, 2006 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful.
I was 5-0. I always freaked out before the games because I didn't want to see my first loss. I had never seen the bottom of the ninth.
My first loss was Kerry Wood's return and he gave up like 4 homers and Neifi ended the game with a bunt. The next game I actually think we are going to win, and then the Mets score 11 runs. Now I'm 5-2.
by sparkles721 on Jul 28, 2006 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already...
So two things will happen. I will be able to get them cheaper because the Cubs are doing bad, or I will have to pay a lot because they are doing good. Or someone like Jessica will be nice and sell them to me at face. :)
by sparkles721 on Jul 28, 2006 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
of course I will Sparkles
March. I get very absent minded
I will cut down a little next year in
the extra bleachers I buy but that has
more to do with Confusion over if some
bleacher regulars like Al & Ron Hayden
needed extras than how many I will need
for myself. I will certainly be renewewing
my season tickets even if I do have to
"eat" games in Sept this year
by jessica on Jul 28, 2006 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting
by sue369 on Jul 28, 2006 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty
by jimhickman on Jul 28, 2006 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's the answer!
At least the Cubs could win all their home games, then...
FWIW, the Cardinals are now 0-8 in Chicago this year (they got swept here by the White Sox, too).
by Al on Jul 28, 2006 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I've recommended this before....
But Vivaelbirdos after a loss to the Cubs is a must read.
by yahoodi on Jul 28, 2006 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
vivalabirdo....has...
by kcjones on Jul 28, 2006 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol
Then again, having control may really hurt his game.
by JDay on Jul 28, 2006 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yahoodi
It cracks me up that both Cardinal and Cub fans have the same thought when Rusch comes in.
"Glendon f-ing Rusch?!"
by JDay on Jul 28, 2006 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My pleasure
And if Mad dog can take care of business tomorrow and Z were to complete a sweep, I can slot Viva el Birdos reading right between Family Guy and Entourage for an Hour and a half of just good comedy.
by yahoodi on Jul 28, 2006 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know how
by PrimeTime on Jul 28, 2006 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Tigers!
by ctcoff99 on Jul 28, 2006 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rooting for the twins to kick ass
by sanantonecub on Jul 28, 2006 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees!?!?!?!?!!?
I root for Tigers, Twins, Red Sox, Blue Jays and against the White Sox & Yankees.
by colossus on Jul 29, 2006 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luck?
In fact in one of the games the Sox lost to MN a Twins player (I'm forgetting his name at the moment) hit a HR and it was his first in a year.
Did the Sox get "lucky" breaks last season? Sure they had some luck, or breaks go their way. However they won the World Series not entirely on account of luck. They were damn good.
by DrCrawdad on Jul 29, 2006 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hit Batsmen
From my perspective in section 422 (upper deck boxes behind the plate), I thought both benches had been warned after Ramirez was hit. Montague pointed at the Cardinals dugout first, then walked over to the Cubs dugout and I assumed was warning Dusty.
ESPN also reports here that both sides were warned:
The same story said that the pitch to Cedeno was a strike because he was attempting to bunt, not that it hit his bat.:
Perhaps Montague missed Thursday's game because he had an appointment with an optometrist. Too bad his new glasses hadn't arrived in time for today's game.
by AlSpangler on Jul 28, 2006 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
I mean, I just read the statement "root for the Yankees," and had no problem with it. This is getting serious?
by JDay on Jul 28, 2006 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not just you
by ctcoff99 on Jul 28, 2006 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tickets
That being said, a ticket price increase after this Titanic/Hindenberg/Challenger/Columbia/(insert your disaster here) of a season would keep me on the wagon. I, personally, would block the ticket windows at Wrigley on February 15th with pepper spray and tear gas if that's what it took to keep people away. That would be the Tribune's biggest PR gaffe in their 25 years of ownership, bigger than the year they put that big black tarp all around the outfield fences so people across the street could not see into the park. I know these Tribune people are mindless, soulless, zombies in black suits, but I don't see how even a mindless zombie could give their long-suffering constituents the finger like that. Most of the time, my love for the Cubs trumps my hatred for the Tribune, which keeps me coming out to the ballpark. A ticket price increase after this season might change that.
by ctcoff99 on Jul 28, 2006 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nolasco
by mike bornemann on Jul 28, 2006 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well,
Like Scott Rolen botching plays on consecutive nights that lead to runs in one-run losses. That's just good times.
by JDay on Jul 28, 2006 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Fox
Dear Fox,
I'M IN FRIGGIN TEXAS!!!!! Noone cares about LAAvBOS!!!!
by sanantonecub on Jul 29, 2006 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox
by jag alskar bjornungarna on Jul 29, 2006 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs game
by tharr on Jul 29, 2006 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaargh!!!
I hate SA sometimes....well, most of the time.
by sanantonecub on Jul 29, 2006 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eat your heart out
by tharr on Jul 29, 2006 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey everyone.
It is looking like I am moving back to Chicago for sure probably the second week of August. I, for one, am quite glad to hear about all these scalpers. It means that I have hope of getting to a STL game in August and meeting some of you all!
Onward Cub fans march!
by jag alskar bjornungarna on Jul 29, 2006 12:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could fly to Chicago the weekend of my birthday
by Whitebacon on Jul 29, 2006 4:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To back up what Al said about Marmol...
2.45 ERA 19/9 K to BB ratio. 18 hits in 22 innings.
In the following innings until he is removed from the game, everything balloons, but especially the walks:
5.46 ERA 27/30 K to BB ratio. 23 hits in 29 2/3 innings pitched.
Someone mentioned something about a Frankie Rodriguez role here in the early going and that could very well be the best one suited for him. I could see him next year as a 6th or 7th inning guy, a bridge to Eyre and Howry, and then graduate from there until he is finally given the closer role perhaps by 2009 at the latest.
by theprognosticator on Jul 29, 2006 4:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan.
by Al on Jul 29, 2006 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV
by Goat Whisperer on Jul 29, 2006 7:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Record Against Cards
It just might be.
by 08Cubs on Jul 29, 2006 7:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It softens the pain a bit...
by Perkins on Jul 29, 2006 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give Marmol some time
- He's a converted catcher.
- He started his first game as pitcher in 2003.
- He hadn't pitched above West Tenn before this year.
I'd hate to have some of you on a jury. You see how the defendant walked into the courtroom and would pass judgment right there and then.
by Richie Hebner 18 on Jul 29, 2006 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unless
by mike bornemann on Jul 29, 2006 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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