1-0!

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 9:21 AM CDT in Chicago Cubs Recaps

The last time before yesterday that the Cubs won a game 1-0, was in Pittsburgh on September 22, 2004.

Remember that one? Sammy Sosa made a diving catch in the eighth inning with the bases loaded to preserve the win.

That was just before the disastrous losing streak that began two days later in New York.

We don't have to rehash that; we've seen enough losing this year.

But last night's tense, well-played 1-0 win over the Astros could make you forget, even for just one night, that the Cubs are near the basement of the NL Central.

Sean Marshall threw his best game of the year, and for once it was the OTHER team stranding runners -- the Astros left twelve in all, including RISP in the first, third, fourth, fifth, seventh and ninth innings. Ryan Dempster decided to make it exciting yet again, but this time, with one out and the tying run on third, he got the final two outs with relative ease (a popup and a force at second). I'm most happy for Dempster, because I still do believe he can be an effective major league closer -- if the Cubs would win enough to get him consistent save opportunities. Since June 10, a date on which the Cubs had defeated the Reds and Dempster got a save, the Cubs have played 23 games. Dempster has appeared in eight of those, with four save opportunities (two of which were blown). That's not nearly enough work for a modern closer, and a big part of that is the team simply not being in enough save situations FOR the closer.

Just four weeks ago, you'll remember, Houston rookie Chris Sampson handcuffed Cub bats all afternoon and beat Marshall by the same 1-0 score. It's nice to see them win by this score; yes, it'd be nice to see the Cubs score a few runs, but for once, the pitching staff did its job, and made a run manufactured by a Michael Barrett single and Todd Walker double hold up.

There's not much more to say about this game, other than it kept the Cubs' record of never being swept in Enron/Minute Maid Park intact.

So let's have some more discussion of Dusty Baker, shall we?

As I suspected, the brouhaha raised yesterday by Jim Hendry's comment that he would be "evaluating" everything and everyone at the All-Star break was way overdone. Columnists and writers rushed to say "Dusty Baker's gone!"

Naturally, Hendry had to calm the hyperventilation by saying:

"There has never been a time frame set by myself, and I'm the one that's going to make the call," Hendry said before the Cubs played the series finale against the Houston Astros. "I'd like to see us play better before the break. I'd certainly like to see us play the rest of the year a lot better. The situation right now is we need to play a lot better than we have been."

That is, as you might think, being "Master of the Obvious". Yesterday was "playing better", wasn't it? The way some writers write, you'd think the Cubs need a new manager every single day.

Chris DeLuca makes his case for Lou Piniella, the guy at the top of MY list of "Men I Do NOT Want To See Managing The Cubs":

The Cubs are thought to be considering Piniella and Atlanta Braves third-base coach Fredi Gonzalez, a strong candidate considered before Baker was hired. Other names are expected to pop up. Hendry will need time to consider his options, but if he wants a big name along the lines of Piniella, he better act fast.

"Thought to be"? By whom? Sometimes I think the MSM writers are sitting around talking like we do here at BCB, just spitting names out because they can. "Thought to be"? I do know that Gonzalez was not only considered, but interviewed, in 2002 before Baker was hired. He will be a good manager someday. So will Joey Cora. So will Gary Varsho, bench coach at Philadelphia, but, DeLuca also writes:

Philadelphia Phillies manager Charlie Manuel could also be axed at the break. Phillies GM Pat Gillick was Piniella's boss in Seattle during the 2000 and 2001 seasons when the Mariners went to the playoffs, so it's easy to connect those dots. Greater speculation has Piniella taking over the New York Yankees -- a job he has previously held -- should Joe Torre be dismissed after this season.

The Phillies have no chance at the playoffs this year. They're not going to hire a big name -- most likely, Varsho would get the job if Manuel is fired. And DeLuca is going way too far in saying Joe Torre might be "dismissed". I think Yankee management and ownership has far too much respect for Torre to "dismiss" him, even if the Yankees miss the playoffs this year. He'll either return, or leave on his own terms, not be fired, and I cannot imagine Piniella returning to New York at this stage of his career.

The rest of DeLuca's column speaks of Piniella's "fiery" temperament, as if that alone would make the Cubs, or any team, a winner. My friend Phil keeps talking to me about someone who would "kick ass", as if that instantly makes players play harder. It doesn't.

In any case, Piniella is the wrong guy for the Cubs. Remember this, as I've written before: the last two managerial hires by the Cubs have been "big names" -- Baker and Don Baylor. Baylor's tenure ended in rancor and the Cubs having to pay him for a year and a half after his firing. If Baker's ends the same way, I can see Hendry wanting to go in a different direction, especially after seeing managers like Mike Scioscia, Ken Macha, Ozzie Guillen, Eric Wedge and Ned Yost, all men with NO managerial experience prior to their hirings, having success (to varying degrees) with their ballclubs.

Fredi Gonzalez fits that bill. So does Joey Cora.

Finally, I'd like to see the hyperventilating stop. I do NOT see Hendry doing anything before the All-Star break -- or perhaps even during it. He's "evaluating". That's all.

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walks walks walks walks

I don't think more opportunitues will clear up a career issue.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 6, 2006 9:25 AM CDT reply actions

Interesting Point.

I recall that this was the concern prior to him closing last season (and the same concern when Wood is mentioned as a closer).

His control was exceptional for him last season but it is unusual for a pitcher to make a dramatic change in walk rates unless they have suffered from an injury or some other unknown reason. Last season I recall that the Sox claimed that Contreras' control problems were related to a flaw in his mechanics that they "fixed", the fix needs a fix this season...

In looking at Dempster of last season the single thing that stands out to me is the GB/FB. He never approached anything remotely close to this in his career prior to 2005 and I think his 2005 would put him in the extreme GB class. Now he is back to typical being more of a FB tweener.

Have not heard anything about his velocity compared to last season either...

I don't know whether anyone has analyzed whether pitchers switching roles from starting to relief have been able to improve their walk rates or change their GB/FB significantly? My curiosity is whether a pitcher going to relief and esepeically closer, who now only needs one pitch or maybe 2 to throw for strikes can throw that pitch for strikes more consistently? Probably doesn't change...

In any event, Dempster was a reclamation project and he'd still look good in terms of bang for the buck if we hadn't rushed to give him the longer team deal. The guy from Pittsburgh has pitched very well and I think with fewer Ops than Dempster? With control going south and more FBs it'd be wise to deal him if he can run-off 2-3 solid outtings.

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions

last year

it seemed like Dempster was getting more guys out with the low slider. A lot of times, guys were hacking at the low slider and getting themselves out. Not to sound like some sort of expert, but I was very apprehensive of Demp last year and I think I paid more attention to him than I did anything else. I was wondering last year what would happen had he gone through the league a couple times, and since he didn't get a ton of save chances last year it never really happened. I think this year managers just told their guys to wait on him, and now he can't get it done. That being said, there were plenty or hairy situations last year to, but they just seemed to go our way. If you're not a power guy you have to have excellent control, and Demp really has neither.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 6, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

interesting

last year it seemed like Dempster was getting more guys out with the low slider.

That's sort of the same deal with Lidge here in Houston. Early this year no one was swinging at it, and he kept missing his spots, walking tons of batters, and thereby blowing saves.

A testament to plate discipline!

by false cognate on Jul 6, 2006 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions

No, no, no to Lou Pinella

Sweet Lou got fat and lazy in Tampa Bay (his full time home by the way). He basically phoned it in for three seasons and did little to help the percolating young talent on that roster. We don't need the next Mike Ditka, the New Orleans Saints years, sitting in the Cub dugout. Sweet Lou is an aging, puffy blowhard waiting by the phone for King George to make him Joe Torre's successor in New York.

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 9:32 AM CDT reply actions

nobody

is hyperventilating, that's kind of a condescending way to put it.

but baker will be fired, sometime in the next month. you were just plain wrong when you said it was 99% certain he wuld get an extension.

Hendry won't come out and say he's trying to decide whether dusty will be fired--but what he did say is about as close as a gm would come to saying it.

my guess, they're doing some behind the scenes work to decide who the replacement will be and whether they'd be interested.

i agree that pinella is a bad choice. a lot of what deluca said in his article was inaccurate, and i emailed him to tell him that. Gonzalez would be better, and hopefully he wasn't chosen last time because the cubs wanted a big name, not because they didn't like him.

I think that firing dusty soon, if they're going to do it, is imperitive, so they can do some pre-deadline deals to start shaping the roster towards the philosophies of the new manager. waiting until after the season only delays any roster reconstruction that can be done. dusty's going to want more players like nevin who have no future with us. a new manager is going to want younger talent that can succeed over the next few years.

Dempster isn't a great pitcher but you don't have to be a great pitcher to be a great closer. You can have an ERA of 4.5 and never blow a save. If Dempster can get his head together i don't see why he can't be effective again.

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 9:32 AM CDT reply actions

I wasn't suggesting...

... that everyone here was hyperventilating; that was really aimed at all the MSM articles yesterday that took Hendry's comments to mean that Baker's firing was "imminent".

I still don't think it's necessarily a done deal yet, which is why Hendry said he's "evaluating".

I do think that Gonzalez was passed over last time because the Cubs wanted the "name" guy; had Baker stayed with the Giants, I suspect Gonzalez would be the Cubs' manager today.

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions

I'll be elated if I am wrong.

I know that I thought Dusty would get through this season. If only the Cubs had been this forgiving of Patterson, geeze...

I don't think the team will play any better overall without Dusty, if he is fired this season, but depending on who they hire it could help their pitchers.

Memo to Hendry:

Learn from mistake of hiring Dusty, your number one priority is to hire a manager who handles pitchers well, not Dusty with a temper.

That being said, I liked Pinella's comments about the need for a bench at Wrigley (every team needs one, I am just elated that he obviously sees the full role of the bench in contributing and not as some placeholder for speedy defenders who flock to play for Dusty (because no one else will take them)). But Pinella has no patience ofr younger players and is a destroyer of arms. he'd be entertaining to watch, but probably improve only slightly over Baker.

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions

A name mentioned..

Over the weekend, I think by Rogers in the Tribune, was a guy named Razor Shines in the Sox system, is that name correct? I know nothing about the guy but I liked what was written about him.

Does anyone have an informed opinion on Mr. Shines?

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

NL Central

On a different note, I was watching the Cubs games as well as part of the Cardinals game as they got whipped by Atlanta. What a pathetic division! Looks like the NL Central is now the NL West from the past several years.

Houston is in contention and their #3 hitter is hitting in the .230's? One of their other power hitters is under .210. How many times did they have a man on third and less than 2 outs and not get him in?

It really shows how bad the Cubs season is in that they are 14 games out in this division.

by rlpete on Jul 6, 2006 9:34 AM CDT reply actions

And also...

... how much of a shame it is that they couldn't have put together a .500 ballclub this year, because .500 gets you in contention in the Comedy Central.

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Yup

You sir are correct.

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions

yesterday

the cubs didn't really play much better. Their offense was still terrible, and Marshall was a combination of lucky and just effective enough to get out of a lot of jams. a little better situational hitting by the astros and the game easily goes the other way.

The cubs offense, particularly lazy ramirez, gave marshall no margin for error. that's not playing much better if you ask me.

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 9:35 AM CDT reply actions

Sure it is.

Sometimes you CAN win 1-0 by getting your pitchers to make their pitches at the right times. You said:

a little better situational hitting by the astros and the game easily goes the other way.

That doesn't give any credit to the Cubs pitchers for preventing them from doing that.

Hey, the Cubs won a game and looked fairly good doing it.

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions

side question

i was just watching the espn ticker and saw that pinto got the save in a 18-9 florida win yesterday. how does that work?

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 9:46 AM CDT reply actions

the reason is

He pitched the last 3 innings, which qualified him for the save.

Kasey

by kaseyi on Jul 6, 2006 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions

Found the rule..10.20

He qualifies under 3(c)

SAVES FOR RELIEF PITCHERS
10.20
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
(2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
(3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
(a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
(b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or
(c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

by kaseyi on Jul 6, 2006 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Cora

Al, you've got to stop with the Joey Cora nonsense. I mentioned this in a previous comment but you never replied to it:

It is unknown if Cora possesses any of the people skills necessary to be an effective big league manager. Speaking spanish shouldn't be considered one of the main reasons for hiring a guy. Besides, most USA-born managers and catchers can speak enough spanish to effectively communicate with their pitchers. We have no idea what Cora's philosophy is, and his track record managing in the minors is awful. Have you talked to Cora? How can you possibly know his baseball philosophy or assess his ability to lead? Sitting next to Ozzie Guillen in the dugout makes him no more qualified than Ozzie's sons.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on Cora. Furthermore, Cora was the coach to be rumored as biting ankles in the Cubs-Sox brawl recently. The ankle biting probably wasn't true, but it was true that he was in the scrum, fighting, and not trying to be peacemaker. Does that sound like a Leader to you? You insist that you don't want a fiery manager, and Cora's (probably) the very definition of one.

by MikeJ on Jul 6, 2006 9:47 AM CDT reply actions

I missed your comment the first time...

... it's not always easy to see every one of hundreds of comments!

Anyway, yes, most USA-born managers speak some Spanish. Baker does. But there's a difference between speaking it and being a native and being from the culture.

I don't have any facts about Cora's role in the brawl, other than the speculation that you quote.

I mentioned Fredi Gonzalez as an alternate choice, and he has many of the same qualifications as Cora; in addition, he's learned under Bobby Cox, and that's a big plus for him.

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions

I don't have a problem.....

...hiring a Latin American manager at all. For the reasons you describe, it'd be a bonus if the most qualified man was of spanish-speaking descent. I just don't think Cora's resume is enough so that you can give him the job without knowing his baseball philosophy or really anything about him other than his heritage.

If the Cubs were to hire an experienced manager, it's much easier for fans to have an opinion on the potential moves. You've got hundreds (if not thousands) of games to look at their strategy and success rates. For guys without experience, like Cora, fans really don't have anything to base their opinion on other than he "seems" like he'd be a good manager. Only people that have actually talked to him or been in the lockerroom with him can make that assumption, without the public record to base your opinion on.

by MikeJ on Jul 6, 2006 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions

And...

... why is that important? All that's important is that the guy know what he's doing and that upper management trusts him. What we think doesn't matter.

Think about what White Sox fans must have thought when Ozzie Guillen was hired. A lot of them liked the idea because he was a popular former player. But he had no track record.

Did it matter? They won, didn't they?

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Didn't you basically

use the "he has no track record" line when you said that you didn't want Davis to manage?

by VS on Jul 6, 2006 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Did you just confirm my point?

My point was that Cora has no track record and it was up to management to determine if he would be an effective hire. You can't advocate a guy with no track record unless you have interviewed him or have personal experience with him. We have neither, but I'm assuming the Cubs will have interviewed him and done the research before making the hire. Same with the Sox and Guillen.

On the other hand, if we're talking about Jack McKeon or Lou Piniella, most knowledgable fans can have an informed opinion because we've seen them in action.

Suggesting Cora isn't much different than suggesting Jody Davis or Steve Stone. Heck, with Stone we at least know his baseball philosophy and we know that he's an effective communicator, neither of which any of us can confirm about Joey Cora. We just know that he speaks spanish, and that's why you want to hire him.

What we think doesn't matter.

That's the bottom line right there, isn't it? They'll hire who they want.

by MikeJ on Jul 6, 2006 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

What about the "white" guys..

...I am deployed and working with a lot of hispanic soldiers as well as the Arab people. Though they both speak english it is sometimes very hard to understand them and I don't always know if they are understanding me. Ozzie speaks pretty good english but what about a guy like Cora? I haven't really heard him in any interviews. What kind of affect does it have on the "white" guys if the manager speaks very broken english?

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I was thinking the same thing...

...for every Contreras that is saved by that by someone that shares his culture, there are 3 to 5 Americans being alienated by a head manager that doesn't speak English as his primary language. I think the advantage would be a wash at best. Bilingual ability would be a plus on the staff, but not necessarily from a head manager.

by slink on Jul 6, 2006 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions

You think Ozzie speaks good English?

It sounds pretty fractured to me.

Ozzie grew up in Venezuela and has the equivalent of about a 6th-grade education.

Cora is from Puerto Rico, which is essentially bilingual.

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Trust me...

...he speaks much better than a lot of the people that I have to deal with daily over here. I can understand Ozzie better than a guy from West Virginia.

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Really?

I'm hispanic too, but I can barely understand him half the time when he's speaking english. He needs a reresher course in Ingles Sin Barreras.

by VS on Jul 6, 2006 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions

give the kid his props

Sean Marshall did a great job under pressure last night. He put a lot of pressure on himself by allowing baserunners, but for much of this season he has shown the kind of poise to suck it up and get himself out of jams. He's shown exceptional poise considering his youth and lack of experience , playing in A ball just last season.

Prior, for one, hasn't displayed that ability to slam the door in a long time. So don't write off last night to Houston's lack of clutch hitting. They showed plenty in the previous nights' 7-2 wins.

by Clark Addison on Jul 6, 2006 10:06 AM CDT reply actions

Marshall

Sean Marshall is a rare bright spot. He's got the chops to become a decent middle of the rotation starter. Definitely a keeper. Now if we can only figure out the other 3/5's of the starting rotation for 2007. Zambrano, Marshall, ??, ??, ??

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions

didn't mean

to minimize marshall's performance, which was great to see. i like marshall--he's left-handed, hasa nice curve, and maybe more importantly, seems to study the game (though how much of that is oberblown by the media because he chats with maddux between innings, who knows).

my point was the cubs didn't really play any better last night, and to imply that last night's game should or could have some positive impact on baker's future with the cubs seems kinda silly.

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions

Hm

A Sox fan friend of mine was defending Dusty in his blog today. Here was one of his points:

"His major strength is inspiring his players, and as I elluded to in my post, he can do a better job in that respect. He's a beaten man, but I firmly believe that he is not worthy of firing - his team is just bad. Technically, the on field choices Dusty has made (hit and runs, pitcher / batter matchups, etc - are pretty damn right on."

Is it just me, or does he seem to have a flawed view of what constitutes "pretty damn right on"?

by MattStratton on Jul 6, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions

I agree with your Sox pal

Your buddy is 95% on the money.

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

I disagree and

want to tell him that "elluded" is not a word.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Jul 6, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions

Julie is rite

n/t

by jcub on Jul 6, 2006 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions

pitcher/batter match-ups

These are one of the things that has Dusty has failed miserably in.

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions

True.

The Lefty versus Righty and vice versa is so incredibly overblown it's not even funny. Just make your pitches and don't waste the pen.

I am really really hoping for some change next season, and I don't just mean Dusty. I mean a new baseball philosophy. I can't wait (if it happens)!

As a Cubs fan, The 2006 season will be remembered by me as....the first that I could buy Old Style cans with Cubs logos on them....

by coopergillan on Jul 6, 2006 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

did he make that comment..

..before or after the "hit-and-run the other night with Pierre.... you know the one that Dusty said that he didn't call for a straight steal or a hit-and-run. What was that??

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Seriously!!!

Ok, I really try to stay out of these discussions - but come on!! What the crap was that about?!?!!?!?!?!?

Ok, I will go find my sedative so I can calm down and ease back into movie quotes...

.... Sedagive?!?

Ah, there we are.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Werewolf?

There wolf....

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions

DESTINY! DESTINY!!

NO ESCAPING THAT FOR ME!

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

In his Fascha's Footschteps?

His what?

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Vould you like

a roll in ze hay?

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

hehe

What Knockers!

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Vould ze doctor care for a brandy?

Some varm milk... perhaps??

Ovaltine??

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Hold on to your hat

I'm holding on to it darling!

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions

He vould have an enormous schwanzstucker.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Glad to have ya back

On the main posts again ;)

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions

I was gonna say..

where has Sarah Hope been??

As a Cubs fan, The 2006 season will be remembered by me as....the first that I could buy Old Style cans with Cubs logos on them....

by coopergillan on Jul 6, 2006 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

What??

..I am just pointing out one instance. I mean if the manager can't answer that question then who can? We actually got that game on AFN that night and I was like,"what the hell was the call there?"

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions

I think she was agreeing with you

As do I

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions

In that case..

..sorry Sarah. Incidentally I just defended her in another diary.

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I saw that

Thanks, man!

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

No problem..

...hey, maybe we should get on other teams sites and bash their bloggers and players. No wait....that would make us Sox fans...nevermind.

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions

I set up a name over there once,

but got bored quickly.

But for the record, my name was "ilovehubcaps"

Tee hee!

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

That is funny..

...only because our hubcaps WERE stolen at a White Sox game when they played in Comiskey.

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jul 6, 2006 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh no!!

LOL! That is too perfect!

Sorry about your car though, man...

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL

Yes, he's right. I was totally agreeing with you! :)

That was so ridiculous!

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Re

Your buddy's on crack. Could do a better job at the one thing he's supposed to be good at? No kidding, Sherlock. He's a beaten man? Well, then get out of the way and let a real leader do the job.

But let's deal with the meat-and-potatoes of this analysis. Baker's "on-field choices", otherwise known as tactics, are simply horrible. And this is an opinion almost universally recognized by anyone analyzing Baker's body of work, so it's hardly some major revelation.

This blog alone is veritable register of Baker's various mistakes, many the average Little League coach wouldn't make. I'll bet your friend still thinks Iraq has WMD, too.

Visit The Digital Gazette

by Jed Taylor on Jul 7, 2006 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Manager

I undersatnd alot of you guys dont want a big name in as the next manager. I feel that concern is valid but how about a big name from the past.

My vote for the next cubs manager will be.

Tom Kelly: He seems to have a fundamentals first attitude and always got the best out of so so talent in Minnesota. I believe he would be a great fit.

Here comes my lashing

Matt

by cubsfan0623 on Jul 6, 2006 10:18 AM CDT reply actions

Has positives

but I expect that their offenseive woes will continue...I have this recolelction of Kelly as a guy who favored defense and speediness and fewer Ks amongst position players. I could be wrong, it's my memory, lol...

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions

2004

Hi Al,
Oh, I remember 2004 VERY well.
Had the wildcard lead with 2 weeks
to go..Blew that 3-0 9th inning lead
to the Mets and then went home
and tanked against the Reds.
Ouch...
It's been all bad since then..

Cubspizza

by quarryfan on Jul 6, 2006 10:19 AM CDT reply actions

went to new york

and got to see the home run loss, then came home and spent that last week in the stands watching us flounder against the Reds. One of the most unlikable cubs teams ever, followed by two more attitude flawed teams. Only constant in that is Baker-Hendry, but I digress...

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 6, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Agree on Dempster

He can still be an effective closer. He needs opportunities like he had last year. Consistency will be helped by being in save situations consistently.

Yesterday Jimy Williams was mentioned along with Lou Piniella and others. I can't see what good it would do us to go with a retread "baseball man", isn't that what we've been doing. The next crop of managers is getting their start now with guys like Yost and Ozzie getting jobs, we need to find a guy like that. I vote for Fredi Gonzalez.

by pageian on Jul 6, 2006 10:24 AM CDT reply actions

Ridiculous rumor

making the rounds that the Yankees and Cubs are talking deal involving Alex Rodriquez for Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones and Bob Howry.

A more plausible scenario (if only the denial-ridden, stubborn Jim Hendry weren't GM) would be trade proposals involving Howry, Scott Eyre and Scott Williamson. Relief pitchers are king when it comes to the July 31st trade deadline. With a whooping 20 teams still considered "contenders," Hendry would be a downright fool not to actively shop his bullpen arms. They are highly valued commodity this time of year.

I'd love to find out if Kenny Williams would be willing to give us Ryan Sweeney for Williamson.

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 10:56 AM CDT reply actions

You've been away a while, haven't you

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/story/2006/7/2/181835/8160

by MikeJ on Jul 6, 2006 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Good relievers

can be bought every year. It worked out well for us this year as oppossed to past years. Too bad we don't really need them. Each would bring quality prospects, this would be a great way to add talent to our system.

The Yankees-Cubs rumor might be little more than a rumor but I'm not sure that it's ridiculous. A case can be made on either side for that kind of deal. Probably won't happen but how do we really know that Cashman and Hendry haven't talked about it seriously?

by pageian on Jul 6, 2006 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions

I agree

on the ridiculous nature. To me I think Ramirez would be an awful option in New York. I can't see them making it unless A-Rod was a complete bust.

In addition to the fact that I don't think he could handle the NY press, I can't see him hitting well in Yankee Stadium with that big LF. He's not a high average type hitter like Sheffield and A-Rod. Ramirez would likely hit .250 - .260 there.

by rlpete on Jul 6, 2006 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions

not an average hitter?

he hit for every each of the past three seasons

by kylejo on Jul 6, 2006 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions

hit for average

by kylejo on Jul 6, 2006 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions

Sheffield and Ramirez

Actually Sheffield is a better comp for Ramirez than A-Rod as Sheffield and Ramirez are more pull hitters than A-Rod.

Sheffield has hit .290 and .291 for the Yanks. Before arriving in NY, Sheffield had 6 straight .300 seasons including a .330 and .325. So depending on where you see the real Ramirez (somewhere between last season and this season), you have to figure he'll probably lose at least 20 points off his average going to NY.

To me, attitude and hitting style, he doesn't seem a good Yankee fit. If the Yankees want to give us A-Rod though, I'll take him. I think he would be a monster in Wrigley.

by rlpete on Jul 6, 2006 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I kinda think just the opposite

I don't think New York would bother him as much as being like the 19th most depended on star on the team would help him. He's in the big leagues now and surviving in Chicago, I think he can handle New York. I think it's carrying a team by himself that he can't handle and he won't have to do that with the Yankees.

He is simillar to Sheffield, they both take a controlled, violent swing. He'd do okay in Yankee Stadium I believe.

by pageian on Jul 6, 2006 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree...

... see, here's the reason I think the A-Rod deal is still viable; A-Rod is alternately loved and loathed in NY, because of the high pressures there. Sometimes he's the hero (as in the other day when he had 7 RBI vs. the Mets); other days they call him "Pay-Rod" and the NY press is scathing.

I think he wouldn't mind getting out. Here, he'd be revered, and if the Cubs WON with him -- oh, my, he'd be a legendary superhero.

by Al Yellon on Jul 6, 2006 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Also

A-Rod went to NY to win a ring. While King George has allowed an enormous payroll, the Yankees have not been serious contenders since A-Rod got there (through no fault of his--their pitching has been severely terrible).

by jcub on Jul 6, 2006 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Terrible?

That's a pretty harsh statement considering the fact that the Yankees have been in the top half of the AL for two of the three years that A-Rod has been with the Yankees and just out of the top half the third year. Its certainly not the best staff in the AL, but to call it "terrible" is a bit of an overstatement. To call it "severely terrible" is gross overstatement. Its been average.

As for not being a serious contender, that's just bunk. The Yankees have won their division every year that he has been there. Yes, they have lost in the playoffs, but to claim, for example in 2004, that the team that won the division which also had the wild card that won the World Series, was not a serious contender is pure and unadulterated Mike63 think.

by Frustrated Fan on Jul 6, 2006 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Ok, I overstated, and should...

not have used such extreme language. However, and I should have been more clear, their pitching staff has been greatly propped up by: a) an abundance of very good hitters; and b) above-average defense behind them. Nonetheless, the Yankees are outspending almost every team by 2x and have not won a World Series since 2000.

I realize that is a short amount of time compared to most teams, but to double others' spending and not win is hardly living up to your potential (and pitching has been their Achilles heel--they paid Farnsy $17 million over 3 yrs, more than we're paying Howry or Eyre).

by jcub on Jul 6, 2006 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes sireee..

I hope that the Cubs will leverage this bullpen into something of value for next season and beyond...I think the Cubs underutilize the potential semi-talent in their system for filling out the bullpen cheaply and effectively because Mr. B. has zero patience with youngsters unless they come out and dominate. This is one are where it might actually make sense to launch Baker now as with a suitable replacement the younger pitchers might make better progress.

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions

What did I tell you

Marshall had Karma on his side. Thanks for the autograph!!! :D

Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Jul 6, 2006 11:00 AM CDT reply actions

On Scioscia...

....unless we're talking major league managerial experience, Scioscia DID manage at the then-triple A team of the Dodgers, Albuquerque. The Fox owned Dodgers, in their infinite wisdom, fired Scioscia, making him available to the Angels. Until then, he had been on track to manage the Dodgers.

by BeerCub on Jul 6, 2006 11:04 AM CDT reply actions

Just posted this

over on the non-baseball diary, but apparently a Reds player was arrested this morning on suspicion of sexual assault. How sickening.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Jul 6, 2006 11:11 AM CDT reply actions

Mik63, Muggsy

Are you guys high?
Dusty's inability to inspire anyone, at all, is exceeded only by his mistakes with in-game management.
1)mis-using double switches, burning a pinch hitter unnecessarily
2)Continually hitting low-OBP guys in the second spot
3)Neifi...nuff said
4)Glendon EFFING Rusch
5)Jerking Matt Murton around. High OBP/ little power, patience at the plate...why not in the 2 spot?
6) Sitting Guzman for 2 weeks...after a solid 5 2/3 inning relief stint against Detroit, he disappeared.

That's just this season!!!
I'm not bringing up the Jose Macias era, the Hollandsworth era, etc.....

by Dusty Baylor on Jul 6, 2006 11:42 AM CDT reply actions

exactly

anyone defending dusty only has to look to the two hole and neifi's .250 obp there to realize dusty is an absolute idiot when it comes to baseball

by kylejo on Jul 6, 2006 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions

Please read my post more carefully

I was quoting someone else...someone that I disagree with.

by MattStratton on Jul 6, 2006 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions

What does it say about Cubs management when

another manager on some other team gets fired before they act on Baker? And if said team is NOT the Pirates or Royals, both lower in the standings than the Cubs?

It seems that MacPhail/Hendry have a higher threshold for pain and seem determined to retain the status quo in what seems to us as fans as sheer delusional insanity. Sure we are impatient and want to win yesterday, but damn, a team that is 22 games BELOW 500? Before the All Star break? How many more games do the Cubs have to lose before Baker gets the boot or the team disbanded by trades? 32? 42? When does Hendry get off his fat ass and DO something? Before the trade deadline?

I am reminded of Peter Ustinov as Nero playing his lyre as Rome burns in the movie "Quo Vadis". That was right before the scene where the Roman citizens, fed up with his BS overrun the palace. You may recall that at the end he is too scared to kill himself so his slave has to do it for him.

Maybe the TribCo CEO can perform something similar on Macphail/Hendry.

by JFCubFan on Jul 6, 2006 12:01 PM CDT reply actions

Reason

Hendry lacks leadership skills and labors under denial and stubborness. He is a baseball scout masquerading as a big league GM. McFailure is more corporate executive and less baseball man nowadays. MacFailure doesn't see a sense of urgency because when he peers out into the Wrigley Field stands he sees 3 million fans, most of whom are willing to pay a premium to come to the entertainment attraction regardless of how the team that plays on the ballfield performs.

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions

ok muggsy, Mike63

My apologies gentlemen...looks like I jumped the gun.
I guess my anger managemnt course was a failure?

by Dusty Baylor on Jul 6, 2006 12:16 PM CDT reply actions

Well

I think Muggsy was being sarcastic, Mike63 on the other hand was not.

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Rebuttal

I wont' stand in the way of Dusty's inevitable removal. But I will continue to fiercely defend the hair-brained theory that Dusty is the principle reason why the Cubs absolutely suck. Its the roster boys and girls. It's putting continual faith in the enigmatic Kerry Wood and the injury plagued headcase Mark Prior being messiahs. It's a starting rotation situation that is one of the worst in baseball. It's a $95 million roster that doesn't include a major league capable outfield or middle infield. It's a defense that is truly wretched in the entire outfield (Murton isn't good, Jones makes Sosa look like he had a PHD in fundamentals, none of the three starters can throw), at 2nd base, at 3rd base and at catcher. It is a farm system that is a colossal failure (Felix Pie being the latest in the long line of sure flops). Etc., etc.

But if you want to believe that firing Dusty, in and of itself, will magically transform the Cubs into a fine baseball team, then fine. Cubbie Kool-Aid comes in many flavors.

by Mike63 on Jul 6, 2006 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think

There are too many people on this board that believe firing Dusty to be a panacea. The fact of the matter is that he is part of a systemic problem within the organization. One less bad part is always a good thing in my book.

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions

3rd base

look up aramis' stats, i dont know off hand but i think he plays a pretty solid third base, and has commited all of something like 2 errors this season, could be a lot worse

by kylejo on Jul 6, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions

It's both, it's the whole thing...

I think Dusty's an wful manager, a terrible hire for this team, but I agree in part that he is not the ONLY reason that the team is so bad. I would go so far as to say that he is the main reason because I speculate that the roster, or at least the really sorry players that Dusty favors, reflects Dusty's input into the team building process. I am not saying that he controls it, hendry has final call but I think Dusty welcomes guys like Macias, Perez, etc...He certainly hates young pitchers and just about would kill a young relief pitcher rather than use him. The GM placated him on this for 2005 with the veteran signings.

His influence on the offense is there but I think Hendry and he agree that OBP is over rated. They are both wrong. I am not being sarcastic here, but just an open question, is Dusty or hendry more responsible for this teams intentional roster shift that is to diminish Ks while adding speed, and apparently giving little weight to power? I seriously don't know, but they both seemed happy that they were getting faster and cutting down on Ks. Maybe they both like fighting windmills in their spare time? I'd save the rouble and launch both, as well as McPhail.

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree Mike...

Crying about Neifi playing too much doesn't change the fact that he's on the roster to begin with. Some argue thats Dusty's fault too, but Hendry IS the GM. Would batting Murton second all year have put us into contention?

Bottom line is, as always, pitching. The Cubs have started a rookie starting pitcher in something like 30 games. Do you really expect any team to win with that many rookies making starts in the rotation?

The big question is when did the Cubs know about Prior's injury? The guy showing up at spring training and not being able to throw off the mound tells me he was hurt for some time. For this, Hendry should be skewered.

by wicubfan on Jul 6, 2006 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Murton at No. 2?

No, we would not be in contention with Murton at No. 2, but this is where a Manager's decisions reflect his understanding of the game and how his decision--not the outcome--should be evaluated.

If Murton were batting No. 2 instead of neifi then I'd praise Dusty for this, it's the far better decision.

If Dusty is given a lineup of allstar players of course he can't fail, well maybe he can but you get the point...Does the manager use the player properly?

The Yankees are making the wrong decision when they move Jeter out the 1 spot...My problem with Dusty is that he rarely gets these decisions right and he regularly chooses just about the worst option available...The guy is too busy self-promoting and name dropping in his yarns from yesteryear to understand well the game he has played for a lifetime...

by DudeVf1 on Jul 6, 2006 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions

That's where we disagree..

I couldn't care less about the actual decision. I care more about the outcome. Many times a mangers decisions are just gut feel, and I have no problem with that. In fact, if we just wanted a manger who always went by the book and always made the "right" decision, we could put anyone at manager. Just give a guy with a laptop with all the splits and let him manage.

That's what makes baseball great. We can argue what should be done in a certain situation, but to say there is one right answer is an over simplification.

by wicubfan on Jul 6, 2006 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Young Pitchers

Hmmm. Teams with young pitchers cannot compete. The Detroit Tigers are starting two 23 year olds, one of whom is a rookie, and have given the sixth most starts to a 24 year old Rookie. And, last time I checked, they were competing. The Tigers started Bonderman when he was 20 and took their licks for doing so. And his ERA has dropped every year and his winning percentage has gone up. Sometimes you need to bite the bullet, realize that a season is essentially a lost cause, and throw some young players into the fire much earlier than they should be thrown into the fire, and see what happens. If I ran the Cubs, my outfield would have a rotation of Pie, Murton, Pagan and Restovich. My infield would have a rotation of Lee, Cedeno, Theriot, Fontenot and that third base prospect at either a or aa. My catchers would be the best young catcher in the system with Blanco as a back-up. My bullpen would be Guzman, Wuertz, Novoa, and couple of more young arms. My starting staff would be Prior, Zambrano, Williams, Marshall and Marmol.

And I would expect to lose for the rest of the year on a 120+ loss pace, and expect to lose 90+ games in 2007. And expect to be able to add some free agents to fill out the puzzle in 2008 and compete for years to come.

by Frustrated Fan on Jul 7, 2006 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions

I believe I referenced rookie

pitchers and not young pitchers. As you pointed out, Bonderman took his lumps early. It is a rare young pitcher that comes up and lights the league on fire. You can point out exceptions, but they are not the rule.

People are pointing to the Cubs record this year as evidence that Baker is a bad manager. My point is, and you seem to agree at the end of your comment, is that with that many rookies making starts it is unlikely the Cubs would be contending.

by wicubfan on Jul 9, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Putting Pie..

.... in the outfield in the major leagues this year, particularly on a "rotation", would be an enormous mistake.

First, he would be overmatched at this level. Second, not playing him every day would not allow him to develop the skills he needs to succeed at this level.

You'd ruin whatever "prospect" status Pie has left.

He needs to finish this year at Iowa, and maybe NEXT year, too.

by Al Yellon on Jul 12, 2006 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions

n/t

So let's have some more discussion of Dusty Baker, shall we?

Dusty Baker kidnapped my puppy in ransom for a box of toothpicks and a new sweatband.

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 6, 2006 12:40 PM CDT reply actions

Today's Heckler

says it best. Here are a few excerpts:

Baker admits using son's Xbox roster

"No way, dude!" Baker said. "If I used my own dream lineup, Neifi [Perez] would be hitting in every spot in the order.

He then conceded that the crazy lineup, featuring Angel Pagan batting second, Michael Barrett sixth, Todd Walker seventh and Perez eighth, was stolen from his son Darren Baker's Xbox 360 game. Darren's team is currently 62-21, which can be attributed to the fact that he doesn't double switch as much, and is a better in game manager than his father.

by kessinger on Jul 6, 2006 12:46 PM CDT reply actions

LOL

ouch

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 6, 2006 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Off topic

Sorry but I just had to ask, where has Sarah been? It seems ever since you made the "keep the idle chatter to a minimum" comment Al, she has disappeared.

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 1:02 PM CDT reply actions

She's

all around today.

"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Jul 6, 2006 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions

hmmm

Seems to be keeping to the Diaries. I thought maybe she was "taken care of" ;)
Haven't been many movie quotes on the main boards these days.

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions

You talkin' to me?

I'm right here.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Hey

Seriously, I remember that thread about the "idle chatter", then poof, no more Sarah. I thought maybe you got pissed and left.
I don't remember if the idle chatter had to do with the movie quotes thing, I just noticed that that too has been gone for awhile.

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

The movie quotes had something to do with it

In fact, this may be idle chatter.

I took a short break from posting, but was reading. I was growing tired of the bitchfest that it had become. I wasn't the only one doing fun stuff - but opinionated and witty women like Julie and I can become lightning rods. It gets old sometimes.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Well my 2????????...

and then I guess I'll stop the idle chatter too.
I like BCB because it has a more social atmosphere. It's like talking at a bar about the Cubs. Sometimes it's all about the Cubs, sometimes(especially when the season is in the crapper and you need an escape from the dissapointing reality)you don't. If I wasnt stats and in-depth analysis, I'll read TCR. If I want a little of that with a convivial atmosphere I'll come here. OK, that is all, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

by BadGuy on Jul 6, 2006 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly,

It's like talking baseball with the guys sitting next to you at Wrigley.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions

where did you end up staying

the other weekend? lets have a review.

and i'm trying hard to not ask for pictures of you working on your tan, but its not working.

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions

I know

I've totally been meaning to post a diary.

I didn't get to tan much - it rained all weekend. Arg...

I stayed at the Hyatt Regency downtown. Went to the game on Sunday, watched the Cubbies win, met Al... good times!

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions

hyatt regency?

after all the great recommendations you got you went to a hyatt? for shame, sarah.

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Ken Macha

I'm not sure you'd like someone like Macha as a manager. The A's follow Billy Beane's philosophy and Macha makes very few decisions on his own. He's on a very short leash held by Beane and tends to manage by formula. They have had success, but I don't contribute much of that to Macha.

However, he is well liked and respected by the players. But he has a little Dusty Baker in him when it comes to lineups and substitutions...sometimes it makes you scratch your head.

Scioscia is more of the manager style I'd like to see the Cubs get. Aggressive but not stupid. A leader, but not a blowhard. A guy who played but was never a star. These guys seem like the best model for successful coaches.

by SiValleyCubFan on Jul 6, 2006 1:20 PM CDT reply actions

Well Stated

Macha was highly thought of by the Cubs a while back. I like Scioscia too.

Cleverly Disguised as a Responsible Adult

by Scott G F on Jul 6, 2006 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions

I woudln't mind a Macha type at all

Just think how cool it would be to have a manager that's part of the story, but not THE story. Shut up, do what you're told, don't make mistakes. That's all I ask. Now, as long as he's told to do the right things, Mr. Hendry.....

I'm still leaning toward somebody like that who's younger and comes from a winning organization, which is why I like Freddi Gonzalez. Terry Francona would be cool just because he's in a simillar situation to Macha but he's already dealt with the Boston press so he'd be ready for Chicago. He may not be a genius but he doesn't make so many stupid decisions either.

by pageian on Jul 6, 2006 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions

i'd choose

gonzalez too, but my fear is that mcfail will push hendry into taking his buddy kelly from his minnesota days.

by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2006 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Kelly

I think thats a good move. He preaches fundamental baseball

Matt

by cubsfan0623 on Jul 6, 2006 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Billy Beane is the manager...

This is the reality in Oakland according to the "Moneyball" book - as alluded to many times in these threads.

I'm not sure its good or bad - but certainly, Oakland's and Boston's records are a hellava lot better than any Cubs teams lately.

by TheEman on Jul 6, 2006 3:57 PM CDT reply actions

Hey Julie,

did he write a book or something?

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions

"If I were Billy Beane

I wouldn't write the book 'Moneyball!'"

HAHAHAHAHA!

(wipes a tear) It just never gets old.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Jul 6, 2006 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions

It really doesn't.

Grrrrrr.......

she

by Sarah Hope on Jul 6, 2006 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

LMAO!

Grrrrrr!!!!!

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Jul 6, 2006 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Player Friendly Managers.

Here's my arguement. You can be a player friendly manager, and be a hard ass, all at the same time. Like the manager I can't stand most, Ozzie Guillen, or like Jack McKeon. These guys got a along with their players, and demanded their respect at the same time. I think the Cubs could a guy with Lou Pinella's temper, just not him (for reasons of age, and prior seasons). Dusty Baker didn't win because he's a player's guy, he won because of Barry Bonds in San Fran. Period. Then you might say well look at 2003 and the job he did. Guess what, they should have been there, obviously they should have won it. Your not having Sunday Tea-Time or playing Shoots and Ladders. You're playing professional baseball. Its not a time to be friendly. Yes, being a hard ass will win you more games, becaue then you will have all nine hustling, all nine hitting in the way that best situationally benefits the team, and you'll have all nine giving you respect.

JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Jul 11, 2006 11:08 AM CDT reply actions