Read Between The Lines...
... and I think you'll see that Dusty Baker is treading on really, really thin ground once this season is over.
I do believe that Jim Hendry will keep his word and not fire Baker before his contract is up. Some of you, I know, think this is a bad thing, that it may be damaging the progress of players like Matt Murton, Ronny Cedeno and Ryan Theriot, but that can be reversed -- there are, after all, only 45 games left.
I say "read between the lines" because of some of the bizarre words coming out of Baker's mouth, quoted in this Paul Sullivan article in today's Tribune. Baker said, among other things:
"Everything passes. It's very stormy when you're in it, I'm not going to lie to you. I talked to my sister the other day. Not to get biblical, but she said, 'Sometimes God delivers you from the desert, and sometimes he walks with you in the desert.' That kind of put things in perspective to me."
Honestly, I don't know what any of that has to do with winning baseball games. There's certainly nothing wrong with having spirituality in your life -- and I know Baker does -- but this reads like someone who's about to go off the deep end. But where Baker may have sealed his fate was when he was asked about Hendry's upcoming "evaluation" (yeah, I know, buzzword! buzzword!) of his performance this year:
Unfortunately, Dusty, that's not the way baseball works, and you've been around the game for nearly forty years, so you ought to know this. Much more so than many other businesses, professional sports is absolutely a "What have you done for me lately?" sort of endeavor. I wrote a few weeks ago about how Baker may have sealed his own fate by NOT adapting to changed circumstances, by repeatedly going back to old, failed strategies; this is a recipe for getting fired not only for a baseball manager, but for a manager in any business.
Sullivan writes about Baker's comment above:
And that, I believe, tips Hendry's hand. Why? Remember how carefully he reacted when Todd Walker said, last fall after his option was picked up by the ballclub, that Hendry was only picking up the option in order to trade him?
I don't think that was originally Hendry's intention -- but if you were someone's supervisor at your job, and that person had deliberately made a "screw you" comment like that publicly, wouldn't you try your hardest to get rid of that employee? In this case, of course, Hendry wasn't going to just cut Walker, as he did have value to the ballclub both as a player and in future trade value, but we all know how desperately he tried to deal him all offseason, and when the deadline came close, he sent him away for what we hope is a future return -- though that return may be three or four years away.
The point is, everyone has a breaking point, and I suspect Hendry's reached his with Dusty Baker. Baker, as I wrote last month, can be a good manager if he gets exactly the right mix of players, as he had in 2003. What that accomplished, though, was Hendry ceding authority to Baker on acquisitions -- resulting in the sorts of players the Cubs have now, and the philosophy of both hitting and pitching that have led us to this disaster of a season.
It's going to play out, because Jim Hendry said it will. But I think Dusty Baker will be gone once the last out is registered on October 1.
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I hope you're right, Al. His comments about The Riot in the Trib this morning boggled the mind. What an idiot.
That aside, I agree, Dusty definitely seems like he's beginning to lose it.
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His comments about The Riot in the Trib this morning boggled the mind. What an idiot.
These?
Even when Cedeno rested Sunday, manager Dusty Baker started Neifi Perez at second instead of Theriot. Are the Cubs stunting Theriot's development by keeping him around as an insurance policy?
"I really can't say because I wasn't around to see where he came from exactly," Baker said. "Or where he's going, depending on what we need. There are a lot of teams in similar situations with young kids. Look at the Rockies; they have a bunch of them.
"You've got to fill your roster with the best people you can. The majority of his time has been in Triple A. How long has he been here? A month? At this point Ronny is the second baseman, so where's he going to play?
"In two weeks he'd have been here anyway (when rosters can expand). So basically he's probably missed a month. It's not like he's been here all year sitting around."
...I'm still not sure what the heck he is saying.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 14, 2006 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Gosh, we sure are lucky to have a manager who sticks to his principles. Dusty believes the same thing on Wednesday as he did on Monday, no matter what might have happened on Tuesday. (500 BCB points to whoever can identify the speaker of that paraphrased quote). Who cares how good Theriot gets? Ronny is the second baseman, dammit. He can hit .375 for all Dusty cares, he already has his guy. Besides, with TWO second basemen, how is Neifi supposed to get his ABs?
Let's move on.
Steven Colbert said it
On a Dusty note, don't they usually wait until after the World Series to announce manager's demise? I thought they didn't like it to overshadow post season play. Maybe I'm just confused.
by Jaxxonfan on Aug 14, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding Ding
If you want to club up to the stuffed Al doll or the inflatable baseball bats, I'm afraid you are going to have to earn more points.
by cubbiejulie on Aug 14, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Um are sure Maddux didn't leave those ?
in the clubhouse and stealing stuff?
by jessica on Aug 14, 2006 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
note
by that reasoning, giardi will be let go after the season also. he gave his boss a screw you in the literal sense, rather than baker's figurative one.
Good!
What a week. I come back from vacation and Theriot's on fire, Prior is on the DL, Dusty is slowly coming apart, and Girardi was ordered sacked. Did I miss anything else?
Welcome back
And
Since...
by timeforachange on Aug 14, 2006 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on, Al
;)
by cubbiejulie on Aug 14, 2006 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Occam's Razor
The fewer assumptions an explanation of a phenomenon depends on, the better it is.
by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I find....
by timeforachange on Aug 14, 2006 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
that was
Based on what?
by pwhalen on Aug 14, 2006 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a possibility
by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The stars are starting to align
by cubbiejulie on Aug 14, 2006 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I hpoe you're right, Al
The lines beteween Dusty and Ronnie Woo Woo...
It's too bad, I remember when he came over and said "There's nothing loveable about losing..." and I thought, finally someone gets it. and it's kind of gone down hill from there.
I find the whole situation kind of sad. I would love for it to end of natural causes on Oct. 1st but it looks like that might not happen.
Again. Just sad.
Except
"Nieifi WOO Neifi WOO Neifi WOO Neifi WOO Neifi WOO."
Actually, it gets old pretty fast.
A mutual parting
I expect that very shortly after the season is over, there will be a mutual parting. That will make it a face saving departure for Baker. That's fine as long as it gets him out of town.
Ditto
I prefer to judge Dusty on his
Buster Olney
I'm wondering what effect his departure will have on Hendry's ability to fill out a roster. Is Hendry really as dumb as he's seemed the last few years or had Dusty had something to do with that? Is is possible we'll start acquiring good players now?
We can only hope so.
You've said before, you think Dusty
Hopefully, Hendry truly doesn't believe Cedeno should be the team's starting second baseman next season - maybe that's the test of his competence?
by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe so.
Hendry's take on "right" decisions
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
1 major trade
by NO100 on Aug 14, 2006 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
God I hope so
Screw the rabbit
by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The rabbit died a long time ago..
by santo for prez on Aug 14, 2006 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry is an example
Name one front line pitcher he has acquired. And Maddux doesn't count because of the circumstances. His philosophy is to try and buy cheap, ie., injured guys and hope they turn into gold. I wouldn't mind seeing him back in his previous position but that won't happen.
i think
- develop your starting pitchers and middle releivers (see whole starting rotation, wood, prior)
- trade for your starting position players (Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Izturis, Pierre, etc)
- sign your spare parts as free agents (neifi, womack, etc)
- sign expensive free-agent set-up men (latroy, remlinger, eyre, howry)
forgot to add
You forgot
Things are looking good
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and enough already with the griping about the young pitchers. hill, gooz, marmol, marshall, mateo and ryu have gone 13-21 (8 games under .500). z, rusch, wood, prior, williams and maddux have gone 26-34 (8 games under). the cubs don't suck because of young starting pitchers.
furthermore, the four rookies in the rotation now are 8-13. the four guys they are "replacing" (maddux, rusch, wood, prior) have gone 14-27. i can't believe people buy into this young starting pitching excuse the cubs are selling.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
lol
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Man, why do I even bother...
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
Because
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because you guys can't handle being wrong...
Right back at you.
I better start getting those recipes ready.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
Huh? Example?
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I never said the team would be fine trotting out all these kid pitchers.
I never said you did. You said I couldn't admit I was wrong, while you're the one who stubbornly clings to your beliefs and ideas, stupid as they may be.
Play the kids damnit.
Finally we agree on something. :-)
And with that I big you farewell, sir.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
Stupid as they may be...
Further...
Further to further, wins for starting pitchers do NOT always reflect how well they pitched.
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Further to further, wins for starting pitchers do NOT always reflect how well they pitched.
Oh, I agree with this 100%. But to imply that the Cubs suck mainly because of the young players is stupid.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
Even stupider
by cubbiejulie on Aug 14, 2006 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Pull your head outta the sand....
I'm not sure what
I think he wanted to pick a fight??
Perez, Isturis, Pierre and Maybry
But the difference is that they quartet of Guzman, Hill, Marmol and Mateo all have a chance of being good, or at least helpful, down the road. And the best way to see if they are on this road or the road to seven-eleven, is to put them out there in what is left of the failed season and see what they can do. We have seen two efforts from Hill (including one against a team that battered the staff ace) which suggests that he might be very very good. We have seen a few innings from Guzman, when he's on, where he has been very good. The same for Marmol and Mateo. What needs to be done is to see if the good innings are the fluke or the bad innings (which are still an insignficant number) are the fluke.
In contrast, Juan Pierre has now shown for two full seasons that he is in the decline phase in his career. And yet, Rusty Baker trots him out every game, every inning. We don't know if Pagan (and after Sept 1 Pie) can play CF and save us from a major signing blunder. Even if Baker's gone, he's making sure that they next manager can't suceed.
by frustratedfan on Aug 14, 2006 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
hmmm
Are you actually suggesting
lol
we're losing
Both our veteran pitchers and our rookies have been bad. The fact that the veteran pitchers were bad doesn't really discount the fact that the rookie pitchers have been bad.
I think having rookie pitchers pitching poorly is a big reason why we're bad. That we wouldn't have been any better with our veterans only underscores how bad a job hendry did putting this team together.
We are just
by thisteamisajoke on Aug 14, 2006 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem with all of this....
Glad to finally have you on board Al!!!! ;)
by timeforachange on Aug 14, 2006 10:25 AM CDT reply actions
Hear, hear.
by cubbiejulie on Aug 14, 2006 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Today is Pierre's birthday
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
question about Pierre
I vote for Ichiro
Seconded...
...
Murton would do a good job in the leadoff spot, IMO. Or the Cubs can just get some old fart to keep CF busy until Pie is ready. Like Kenny Lofton.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 14, 2006 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If I recall,
He's not doing so poorly either...
He killed with the Phillies in 05, and he's killed with the Dodgers this year.
I say bring him back. He won't block Pie and he'd be a nice addition for one year.
by theprognosticator on Aug 14, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Except
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope you're right about Hendry...
And yes, leadoff man is a precious commodity in baseball, but I have my doubts the Cubs will sign Pierre and then just simply move him to LF once Pie is ready, though that is possible.
I'd much rather the Cubs sign Julio Lugo for the money Pierre is going to make, stick him at second base and then we have our leadoff man set regardless of when Pie is ready.
by theprognosticator on Aug 14, 2006 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
How can a guy
I don't disagree
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, if you're right and Pierre does return...
I am though, very leery of signing Pierre for the money he will command, and I am very mindful of how terrible he was in April and May. On the other hand, you can't just disregard what he's been since then. (.352 OBP in June, .380 in July, .382 in August so far). A decent argument could be made that Pierre was simply adjusting to Wrigley and day games and life in Chicago.
Anyhow, we'll see how he finishes. If he's hitting close to .300 with an OBP in the .340s, then I won't mind him coming back.
You just have to wonder where we can find the space and money to land a decent bat, and like I said, I do not want the casualty to be Matt Murton.
by theprognosticator on Aug 14, 2006 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I am on the side that thinks..
by santo for prez on Aug 14, 2006 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
An excellent point...
He's managed to get his OBP right around .330 for this season after a simply awful start, but unless he's in the .340s by the end of September, I'm not big on bringing him back to the tune of 3 years 27 million.
by theprognosticator on Aug 14, 2006 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
50 - 60 steals are
He's been caught stealing FIFTEEN times. Applying the normal rule of thumb of taking away 2 steals for each caught stealing, he's had an effective stealing of 12 bases. That's not very good considering how little else he brings to the table.
by frustratedfan on Aug 14, 2006 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
What counts
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Pie
Who was the last full time leadoff man who didn't play CF?
Eric Young
Poll question
That is exactly
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 14, 2006 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If personnel decisions
So Pierre was the guy Dusty really wanted?
That was Big Jim
Rebuttal
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
i sort of agree
Here's to hoping Hendry makes the Izturis acquisition look smart.
I concur...
Like you said, here's hoping Hendry makes it a good move. As of right now, it's up in the air.
by theprognosticator on Aug 14, 2006 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on this
I share your
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
It might have been a good move
You think Izturis could crack the line-ups of any of the top teams? If the answer's no, then why the hell would we want him?
Before he got hurt
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don't start
IIRC
Corey's cooled off
Trouble with Izturis is, like Patterson, he gets himself out too much. He helps the pitcher out of jams when he should be helping him into them.
Oh, I agree
I would be the LAST person on earth..
by santo for prez on Aug 14, 2006 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If...
by jolietconvict on Aug 14, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Insurance for 2b
The only advantage
Best Defensive Shortstop in Baseball?
So, the numbers suggest, no matter the metric, that Rollins is better and important numbers suggest that 5 of the 6 that I looked at are at least as good, if not better than Izturis.
The claim that he is the "best defensive shortstop in baseball" is a big claim. And it looks quite wrong.
by frustratedfan on Aug 14, 2006 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Why in the world
Mike said he's the best defensive SS in baseball, so it's obviously true.
</sarcasm>
by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
damn my big fingertips
by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Judging Dusty by the previous 13 or 14 years...
by lovejones72 on Aug 14, 2006 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Dusty
I guess Joe Girardi is on the outs with Marlins' management. He'd be ideal to take over the Cubs. Then we can all bitch about him for three losing years before he gets canned!
Girardi
Joe is gone after this year .... I think that is what came out of this.... keep your fingers crossed that the Cubs have the brains to hire him if available. But they probably will go with some company guy like Brently... As I have said McFail doesn't want someone like Joe who is much smarter then him...
Ricky Nolasco won # 11 last night..... and again I ask where the hell did Dusty get his Rep he couldn't manage a little league team for me
And the Cardinals were there for the taking
by FlaCub on Aug 14, 2006 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
The Daily Herald's
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonzalez...
Think for a moment. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Girardi WASN'T a popular former Cub. Consider him vs. Gonzalez (or any other candidate) on that basis.
Still your first choice?
Okay
Partly, it's Cox...
And more than that is Gonzalez' nine-year career as a minor league manager, during which he was named Baseball America's Minor League manager of the year three times.
But my point is
I'm not being snarky. I just really don't understand it when I hear names like Joey Cora and Freddy Gonzalez tossed around. Of course, I also didn't know that Gonzalez had so much success in the minors, so that's something, I guess. And of course, Ozzie is the prime example of a 3rd base coach who hit the ground running, so there's that.
I'd still rather have Girardi because of his personality.
And that's only because...
The thing about Kim on Baker's staff is a red herring -- Kim was universally loathed by Red Sox, Expos and Giants fans when he coached there, too.
Last time I checked....
i like gonzalez
Gonzalez...
And he was a catcher as a player, too.
Next excuse?
I heard....
by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 14, 2006 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Curious.....
I think there are better options.
by timeforachange on Aug 14, 2006 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Maddux
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Answer...
I believe all coaches have written into their contracts that they can interview for positions greater than their current role.
by timeforachange on Aug 14, 2006 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
slow down turbo
Gonzales vs Girardi
by FlaCub on Aug 14, 2006 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure
Loria
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Dusty Taking Potshots at Hendry
sure make it sound like it.
Wow
If those comments are veiled shots at Hendry...
And I think he now wants to get out of here. He knows this team is a mess and probably won't contend for another couple of seasons, though I think he's deluded himself into thinking none of it is his fault.
by theprognosticator on Aug 14, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't
dusty has, since he's been here, gone into long explanations about how he doesn't let things bother him, then talk about all the things he does because things bother him so much. this isn't a new type of comment for him.
If that's true
Wow!
Do I have any takers on whether Murton will be in the lineup tonight? It's be nice to see Theriot in there too but I'm not stupid enough to even think that.
Walker made that comment only after he was....
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Aug 14, 2006 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
No, I think you have it backwards
Nope, I'm positive I have it right....
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Aug 14, 2006 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Just saw this on CNNSI Scorecard's website...
Sounds good to me.
Can I have Gardenhire instead?
I've read some not-so-nice
They love him in MN
According to this
http://www.maximonline.com/sports/7th_inning/comments.aspx?id=4566
Oh well, if Maxim says it, it must be true.
Uh
One hot stretch?
The Giants
Ron Gardenhire would be great
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Mike
Shall we move on to examining the "What Women Really Want in Bed?" expose?
They got it right about Dustbag
Frankly, I don't even watch the AL so I have no idea how good or bad Gardenhire is. But I have read rumblings about how he doesn't use his pitchers properly and can't fill out a lineup card, etc. Same types of things I heard about Dustbag when he was with the Giants before I got to witness it firsthand. No thanks.
Very well
That much I will admit.
However, I have a large extended family and bunch of friends in Minneapolis, and they are all high as a kite on Gardenhire, and were even when the Twins were playing badly. I'm actually jealous of the faith they have in their manager. I've never felt that way about a Cubs manager. Gardenhire is a frequent guest with Boers and Bernstein on The Score, and he seems like one of the smartest, most even-keel managers around.
Fair enough
Yeah well
Minnesota
As I said above
Fair enough
Nope
Kelly
True story. I'm listening to WCCO and the Tom Kelly call-in show in 1989. Tim Laudner, the Twins starting catcher, is hitting about .220 and Brian Harper, the backup. is hitting .320. Some fan had the gall to call up WCCO and ask why he wasn't playing Harper more.
Kelly's answer was instructive. It went something like "That just shows how much you know. Brian Harper is a once a week player because he hits .320 when you play him once a week, but as soon as you play him more than that, he'll be down to hitting .220 in no time. Tim Laudner is an every day player who's proven that he'll come around in no time."
What I really remembered was that not only did Kelly take the time to defend playing Laudner over Harper (which was indefensible, really, since Laudner was a poor defensive catcher too) but that Kelly went out of his way to take a shot at the intelligence of the caller who was clearly smarter than Kelly at this point.
Now remember, Harper wasn't a kid. He was a 29 year old veteran who had bounced around as teams couldn't figure out what to do with him. And within a month, Kelly finally bent to reality and made Harper the starting catcher--and he hit over .300 for the Twins for five years as their starter.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 14, 2006 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Kelly
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Comparing a guy with 2 WS titles
Or as ridiculous
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a very
MacPhail
True.
The Cubs had a good year in 2001 under him.
Maybe he should take the job back.
I thought
Um...
Oh, sorry...
The Baseball America Executive Database is an excellent resource -- it's permanently on the left sidebar. Shows all GM's since 1950.
Lynch was GM from October 1994 till MacPhail succeeded him in mid-2000.
yeah,
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The Hundley contract, obviously...
About the Willis deal, the Cubs did get three good years out of Matt Clement, and though Willis was a highly-regarded prospect at the time, I do not think ANYONE thought he would produce as much at the major league level so quickly.
FWIW, if Willis were still a Cub he would be the second-youngest pitcher in the rotation (Hill, Zambrano and Guzman are all older than Willis).
To be fair to MacPhail
When you can convince me
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If one is unwilling
Once again Mike, I'll ask
Kelly
I wouldn't say he had the pulse of a hibernating turtle. As I said, he had a massively thin skin and would regularly lash out at anyone who would question his decisions. In fact, the Twins forced him to take a class on dealing with the public at one point because he was getting so surly. Some of his battles with Todd Walker were legendary,
Kelly though, is an old-school representative of a game that has passed such managers by. We don't need another one of those.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 14, 2006 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
we'll see
Kelly would be pretty far down my, and hopefully Hendry's, list.
Plus if Kelly couldn't get along with Todd Walker, is there anyone he CAN get along with?
Who knows?
It's not a big deal either way, I think Dusty's remarks udnerscore his inability to work well in a market where he does not get a free pass from the media and fans. If he goes elsewhere, it's likely somehwere in the West where the media and fans may be more likely to give him credit for his past that he seeks and also where sports in general are not scrutinized so closely in the media.
2003 was a not a fluke for the Cubs. The Cubs had oustanding starting pitching and enough power hitting to go to the World Series. The club decided that it was worth riding the arms of Prior and Wood that hard and they had the perfect manager for the task. I don't begrudge the Cubs taking such a risk, given how long we have been out of the WS, but it was a short-term decision or perhaps befitting of the school of thought that in the old days the pitchers could take that loa and so it has no effect on injuries, it's all just random and/or attributed to activities like brushing your teeth, using the internet, but never throwing that ball every 5th day for a couple hours of course that has zero effect on the arm--geeezee!!!
Whatever Dude, the Cubs had their one shot and watched Dusty get outmanaged by McKeon, which did contribute significantly to missing the World Series. Now all we have are 2 burned out arms and idiotic excuses pointing toward a life-long Cubs fan who did nothing but try and catch what he thought was a foul ball.
Then we got the further implosioin/choke at the end of 2004, the downward spiral to badness in 2005, and in 2006 the total transition from low OBP and power to low OBP and NO power, all the while still gambling on the return of the 2 burned out arms.
Dusty can have a talented team win despite his incompetence as a manager, on that I will agree. Not everything in 2006 was his fault, for sure. Does he get credit for the good 12-13 years? I thought that was what he got when we agreed to pay him the $4 million per? Maybe we should throw in a huge Mulligan now--and give him a raise?
by DudeVf1 on Aug 14, 2006 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
Dusty
You are right
What upsets me more is that in the playoffs against the Marlins Dusty chose the worst option almost every time and his refusal to use guys like Z and Clement in roles that McKeon embraced for his best pitchers really cost us dearly. At the same time it would have eased the load on both Prior and Wood for that series and I think given us a better chance to win than say Farns, Veres, and the Alfonseca.
I agree with you, go for it when you have the chance, but we had even more firepower or rather better pitchers available to be used in relief in games 6 and 7.
by DudeVf1 on Aug 14, 2006 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Al...
Well...
Not saying I want him to stay, but let's say the Cubs HAD won in 2003.
You still might want Baker gone, but at least you'd have the memory of him being a winner.
What happened.....
Dusty needs to go because he lost control of this team. His behavior, from throwing around the race card to his on field antics, scream "FIRE HIM NOW!!!!!"
by timeforachange on Aug 14, 2006 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody
Happy birthday
On the other hand
is your
No, no
But your point is well-taken.
Greg Maddux
by Mike63 on Aug 14, 2006 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
Question
When He walks, does He clog up the bases?
Good Stuff.
by santo for prez on Aug 14, 2006 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Dusty, Dusty
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 14, 2006 10:24 PM CDT reply actions
Dusty Logic
Right Mix ?
players..... what the hell does that mean.
Rusty never was a good manager.... he was given good players and consistently found a way for them to play "down" to their ability .. evidence
Cubs 03
by FlaCub on Aug 15, 2006 7:42 AM CDT reply actions

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