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Yet Another Reason To Never Start Neifi!

Cubs' record when Neifi! starts: 19-32
Cubs' record in all other games: 31-36
Well, there it is, and that includes last night's 3-0 win over the Astros, and Neifi! even had a decent game, going 2-for-4 and starting the game-ending double play after having been moved to 2B for defensive purposes in the 9th inning.

Neifi! isn't a bad player. He's just not a very GOOD player; he has his uses, and bench players have to start once in a while. But he should never, EVER bat second. We've all agreed on this. I simply cannot fathom why Dusty Baker continues to do this. The only way to stop it would be to remove him from the roster, and even THAT might not stop Baker from writing his name on a lineup card.

Maybe Baker's pissed at Neifi! for the dramatic game-winning HR he hit on September 27, 1998, a walk-off job that prevented Baker's Giants from winning the wild card outright (never mind that the Giants blew a 7-0 lead in that game), and forced the dramatic tiebreaker game the next day, which the Cubs won, and thus went on to the postseason, while Dusty and the Giants stayed home -- and so maybe Baker's taking out his anger on that eight-year-old homer on us Cubs fans.

I know, that's ridiculous, but so is any other explanation of why Neifi! continues to bat second. Incidentally, the day he hit that walk-off job in Denver? He was batting second.

I cannot figure out what is up with Carlos Zambrano. He's always walked a fair number of hitters (3.5 per 9 innings last year, about the same in 2004), but this year he's walked more than five hitters per nine innings. Only the fact that he's allowed only 126 hits in 170 innings has kept his WHIP at 1.30, a reasonable ratio which is close to his career average of 1.28. It's got to be the influence of Larry Rothschild, who likes his pitchers to "nibble"; Z used to be more of a ground-ball pitcher even when he was throwing 95+ MPH. This year, he'll likely set a career high for strikeouts (220 or so) and also lead the league in walks.

This is yet another reason why Rothschild, Baker and the entire staff have to go. They've made a caricature out of this team. The Cubs are leading the major leagues in walks and strikeouts. The last time a club led BOTH leagues in BOTH categories was the 1989 Texas Rangers, who had a still-fireballing Nolan Ryan (301 K's). The 2003 Cubs led the National League in both categories -- maybe this is why the coaching staff thinks it's so great to do this; that team won by doing that, so why can't they keep doing that?

This is the sort of "it worked once, so I'm going to keep doing it till it works again" thinking that dooms Dusty Baker to managerial failure. Baker had this bizarre quote in the AP game summary:

"If he cuts those walks down, boy, he could throw a complete game every time out," Baker said. "But he's still learning. Boy, he's going to be something."
Cuts the walks down? I just got finished explaining that it's your coaching staff's fault that he's walking so many people.

That same article, incidentally, said Zambrano is 24. He turned 25 on June 1.

And I'm spilling all this angst after a WIN. Phil Nevin provided all the offense with a two-run homer and a RBI single (trade him! NOW!), Ryan Dempster allowed his traditional ninth-inning baserunner but then induced Willy Taveras to ground into the aforementioned game-ending DP, and the Cubs shut out the Astros for the third time this year (of five team shutouts; the other two were back-to-back jobs over the Nationals on May 16 and 17). Savor it for a few hours; tonight's on-paper mismatch (Mateo vs. Clemens) might not be so enjoyable.

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Cubs' record when Neifi! starts: 19-32
Cubs' record in all other games: 31-36

Hmmm.  Al, are you implying that by not having Neifi, one of the worst hitters of all time, in the lineup, the Cubs increase their chances of winning?

I simply refuse to believe that.

Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 15, 2006 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Are you insinuating something?"
"Oh, no, no, no, no, no! Yes."

Points to anyone who can tell me what that's from.

by Al on Aug 15, 2006 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flying Circus
n/t
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't that also from....

 History of the world Part 1 where madelin Kahn is picking out the servants for that night's orgy?

 I prefer Python but History of the World Part 1 was my first answer.

by yahoodi on Aug 15, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes...
Then, the line that caps it all off...

"You made some very big decisions today."

Ask Don Young what he thinks of Ron Santo.

by Ross on Aug 15, 2006 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homer and Marge
They also did a spoof of this on an episode of "The Simpsons" where Marge has the three kids ready to go to church, and Homer is sitting on the couch in his underwear watching TV and tells Marge he is not going.  Marge asks him if he is giving up his Faith.  Homer replies, "No!  No, no, no, no, no!"  He then thinks about it for a second and says, "Well, yes."
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neifi started in a lot of
games that Lee missed.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Kennedy, Wood & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and...?
Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 15, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and many of the
games lee started in.. neifi didn't.

neifi got in there often when walker got moved to 1b.  

remember??

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Kennedy, Wood & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's kind of hard to forget
but what's your point, exactly?
Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 15, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since you're so smart,
I thought you would know what I'm implying.

Sorry, I didn't provide a mathematical equation for you.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Kennedy, Wood & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys
should have your own talk show or something...

by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's pretty obvious what
I'm saying...
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Kennedy, Wood & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm serious
A lot of your arguments are very entertaining and informative.  Thanks for that.

by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh
You must have been dying to say something like to me, huh?
Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 15, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still no idea what I'm implying?
Please discontinue referring to other's as stupid then.

Thanx

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Kennedy, Wood & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, i'm confused
baker comments post game about cutting down on walks given. (walks taken are evil). you offer an OPINION (one i agree with) 12 hours later that its the coaching staff's fault. it reads as though bakers comments contradicted your previously stated factual explanation of the problem.

by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right...
... I wasn't clear. First of all, "cut down on the walks" is "master of the obvious" talk. What I was trying to say -- and I think I said it badly -- is that Baker's coaching staff philosophy, as promulgated by Rothschild, appears to be to get his pitchers to "nibble". That's the reason the Cubs have issued so many walks.

Z's walks have INCREASED this year. What other explanation could there be?

by Al on Aug 15, 2006 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rothschild stinks
its seems he teaches them to nibble, or he can't teach command, or spot flaws to correct lack of command. either way i'm afraid he's not going anywhere, as the (rumored) drunk gm loves the guy.  

by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What???
The same Larry Rothschild who took until March 2006 to diagnosis that Mark Prior and Kerry Wood had problems with their mechanics dating back to 2003?!?!

The same Larry who hasn't "coached up" a single young Cub pitcher during his five year tenure?!?

The same Larry who Jim Hendry can't possibly live without even though Cub pitching remains largely ineffective or injury plagued each and every season?!?  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol ......yeah thats the guy
its easy to see why jim (beam) hendry loves the guy so much

by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So where...
do the Jim Hendry's a drunk allegations come from?

by davidalanu on Aug 15, 2006 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors...
i've heard any number of people speak of his drinking. also the baker comments al posted yesterday seem to point at something.  i have no first hand knowledge if hendry has ever had a drink, but the talk is out there.

by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry
is a heavy drinker.  He drinks alone for a few hours per day at a Chicago watering hole my neighbor's college age son tends bar at.  Hendry's marriage broke up because of his alcohol consumption.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Mike
You're a veritable fountain of information. Do you have any information on the whereabouts of Baby Suri?
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
@ Julie
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That seems
like a perfect place to evaluate this team. One question. Has his time at the bar increased during the year? I know mine has.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you
trying to get sued or are you trying to get Al sued as well.   Al, most probably, doesn't have any liability for a libel action, but its not the kind of stuff that I would want published on my blog.   Unless you are absolutely certain that this is a fact (and even if it is a fact, you are absolutely certain that it can be established as a fact AND you are willing to spend the time in court to defend a libel action) this is a damm stupid thing to put up.  

by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it may be stupid but not libel
Hendry is a public figure so at the very least
if he were dumb enough to sue HE would have to prove
the above was either totally false and that the poster
knew to be false or acted with total recklessness which is
almost impossible standard. My friend's cousin's girlfriend
told me this would suffice as a defense.
As for Al it is even less likely he would get into trouble
though there might be an issue of indifying the poster

Again I find this kind of stuff stupid and very unhelpful
but libel requires a VERY high standard and there is
ZERO chance Hendry sues a blog over a post like that

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Jessica on the libel issue
(especially since Hendry would not want to shine light on this fact if it were true).

More than that, I find it distasteful for this issue to be brought up every time someone disagrees with Hendry's job as GM.

Whether Mike63 "knows" that Hendry drinks at a bar for several hours per day is irrelevant (and coming from a fairly remote source).  I have spent many hours sitting at bars to unwind, and sometimes drink very little while there.  The marriage issue is a whole other ball of wax...and sounds even less liklely to be public knowledge--much less something that a 23-year-old bartender would learn while serving drinks to a baseball executive.

Obviously, I don't know one way or the other, and I'm certainly not calling Mike63 a liar in any way.  I just think that something that serious is dangerous to banter about unless you have personal knowledge of its truth.

by jcub on Aug 15, 2006 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but
the question is really whether it would be sufficient to get into court.  Getting sued, even if you eventually win, is a very costly thing.   Is Hendry likely to do this?  No, he's very unlikely to do this.  But sending a scary letter to Al, that's a different ball of wax -- particularly with his relationship with the Cubs.

Its a high standard, Hendry would likely not prevail.   But it would be expensive for all involved.

by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry won't write any "scary letters"
( Unless you count Neffi's contract a letter)
A "scary" letter is likely to end up on the web
Realistically public figures do not track down
nasty stuff posted about them on the Web.
It would be ridiculous. Lawyers literally come out
the woodwork to volunteer to help people because
they get so much press time.

This is an issue perhaps of good taste but what
is the big difference between the allegations made
against Hendry and many of the equally nasty things
that have been posted about players, Dusty and assorted
Cub personel.

Al does prefer people to be circumspect on this
sort of thing but that is his call. Libel is a non issue here

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are right
but if this was MY blog, someone would no longer be posting and a post would be gone from the site.

by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well thank heavens
this ain't your blog.  I wonder if Al catches the subliminal hints in your posts or not?  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if your reference regarding
the taste issue was in response to my comment, but if it was, I guess I would respond by admitting that the difference is not that much, since none of us really knows the players or management and their actions or thoughts--other than what we see on tv and read in publications.

However, when you question a player's drive, or call them a wuss for not pitching through pain, I feel that is different than attacking them for issues completely unrelated to their job and essentially stating that they have a disease and can not control their alcohol intake.  It just seems overboard and off-topic to me.

If, in fact, Hendry does have a serious drinking problem, then he should not be acting as general manager of the Cubs since it would undoubtedly have a negative effect on his ability to do his job.

by jcub on Aug 15, 2006 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is getting a bit silly
but I seem to recall a few posts that did more than
question a players drive and call them a wuss and wouldn't
it be boring if that was all we did?
For those of  you who enjoy totally evil and often
unsubstantiated gossip about players off field activities
try this site which to the best of my knowledge  has never
been sued.
http://itsasecretsohush.blogspot.com/

What the heck it is fun

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been
missing so much.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Frustrated Fan Foley
took a break away from his motivational speaking tour to take issue with me today.  Lucky me.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too funny
"and I live in a van, down by the RIVER!!!!"

by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Community Guidelines
The community guidelines are quite clear.   They state, in part:

The following are simply not acceptable on BCB (excepting, in some cases, for obvious humor between people with an existing rapport); they violate BCB's Community Guidelines, and are subject to sanction as outlined below:

   1. Personal attacks on community members, directly or through sarcasm/belittling, e.g., "You're an idiot," "You don't know what you're talking about, moron," "Apparently, you've never seen a baseball game, or you'd know...", "My Chihuahua knows more about baseball than you do," etc.
   2. Comments that are intolerant or prejudiced (sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.) in nature, e.g., "Why don't you go play with your dolls?", "The Cubs shouldn't sign black players," "Doesn't Damon look like a fag?", etc.

The comments by Mike63 are full of the comments of the first type.   In fact, it would not be difficult to find examples of each of these types of comments in his postings with little effort.   The second group of bad postings (the intolerent or prejudiced) are also present, although not as direct.  

The failure of Al to sanction Mike63 renders many of these guidelines a mockery.   As long as Mike63 is allowed to post, I am going to stop posting.  And I suspect that others have already left.  Not because of what Mike says as much as the method by which he says it and his style and language of posting.  

Al's made his choice.  I think its the wrong one.

by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa. I never really meant to get spiritual
about this.  Just thought it was too much of a stretch for Mike63 to state that Hendry is an alcoholic (in not so many words) by citing to his neighbor's mechanic's mailman's barber's firsthand knowledge of seeing Hendry have a few beers.

I think we actually agree Jessica, because if I wanted gossipy crap I would watch MTV or read the tabloids.  I don't, so I read a sports blog.

by jcub on Aug 15, 2006 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry wouldn't
have a leg to stand on.  You can stop worrying.

by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
You're no DENNY CRANE
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Kennedy, Wood & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cy Zambrano
Don't look now, but Carlos Zambrano is duking it out with Brad Penny to win the National League Cy Young Award.  Granted this is a putrid year for the NL and no pitcher is posting eye popping stats, but still.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't overlook Brandon Webb....
... leading the league in wins, 2nd in ERA.

by Al on Aug 15, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Penny?
No way. Webb, Schmidt, Oswalt, Carpenter, and Smoltz are more deserving than him.
Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 15, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Z....
gave up as many walks as those guys(I think they are in the 30-40 range, right?) he would be running away with the Cy Young.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Aug 15, 2006 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penny will NEVER win
The jackass would not give Maddux  # 31 and trust
me writers remember such things. Don't think the voting
is "strictly by the numbers"
I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way...
I watched Maddux on Sunday.

The Dodger uniform looks weird on him.  And I don't mean weird as in 'he's not a Cubs uniform' I mean weird as in it just looks strange.  Maybe it's just me.  The six on the back definitely is not right.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Aug 15, 2006 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

penny
every time I see Maddux wearing his fake number I want to fly to california nad beat up brad penny, I didn't like the guy before and this just reinforces it

by flyball on Aug 15, 2006 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping Furcal & Nomar
Would take him in a dark alley and tear it off him.
The funny thing is Maddux really does not care.
He  does not care what he wears on or off the
field ( if you think he looked like a geek off the field in
Chicago  imagine him in lala land) It is all about the game and unlike most players he has no superstitions.
However I think even he  thinks it is just not proper
to follow a baseball tradition ( though he would NEVER
say so).
I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux
I agree with you - even if Maddux didn't care, Penny should have been a man enough to surrender 31.

by danimal15 on Aug 15, 2006 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of respect to Maddux...
...I wish that the MSM would do the same thing. Maddux is proving to everyone just how "classy" and "team player" that he is by not making an issue of this. However, the MSM are using it as a headline story....I think that this could only cause problems in the clubhouse. ESPN sucks.
My Immediate Kindness Eventually Sets Up Cool Kosier Status.

by santo for prez on Aug 16, 2006 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike63,
please feel free to join in with the customary defense of Baker

by Peoria Matt on Aug 15, 2006 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, even I can't
defend playing Neifi when your team has just acquired the exciting defensive wizard Cesar Izturis.  But in mild defense of Dusty, it was Jim Hendry who gave the Neifinator a 2 year, $5 million deal plus a $1 million signing bonus in the offseason.  You don't dole out dollars of that magnititude if you expect a guy to be a utility infielder and grab a paltry 150 at bats on the season.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First Half Neifi
Were it not for Neifi's pretty good (did I just utter those words in the same sentence with Neifi's name??) performance filling in for Nomar during the first half last year, he would be just another utility guy, if he was still even on the roster.  As I recall, after Nomar got hurt, Neifi played a good defensive shortstop (I have no qualms with his defense), and hit around .300.  By the end of the year, he was back to about the .260 to .265 range, which is his lifetime batting average.  But Dusty fell in love with this guy during last year's first half, and dude, that relationship has never soured.  Everything else associated with the Cubs has, not things are still peaches with Dusty and Neifi.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely correct
The more they pay, the longer they'll let them play.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somewhat OT
but it occurred to me last night while watching Itzuris that Cesar looks like the love child of Corey Patterson and JHJ.

Also, it occurred to me that Hendry is going to be enraged in short order if Dusty keeps starting his beloved Neifi over Hendry's new toy.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Problem with your theory
For four consecutive seasons people have tried to make the case for a difference of philosophy or mounting rift between Hendry and Dusty.  Trouble is these two gentlemen have been remarkably on the same page since inception of the relationship.  Is a fissure starting to develop?  Maybe, but I'm not convinced.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As little faith as I have in Jim
(and believe me, it's VERY little), I still believe he traded Korey because he knew that was the only way to get Baker to stop playing him. I'm hoping for the same with Neifi, though I have no clue who would ever want him.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty can't win...

What was he supposed to do, trot JHJ out there every day?

Sheesh.

by salparadise23 on Aug 15, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!
At least he took a pitch once in a while.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree
i think hendry liked patterson a lot more than baker.

by tomas21 on Aug 15, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly
not a case of 2 negatives turning into a positive.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good.
Let him be enraged enough to let him walk on October 1.

by Al on Aug 15, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There IS a Patterson-esque quality with...
the eyes of Cesar.  Hopefully all similarities end there.  But I doubt it.

But I do have to comment that I was wondering why the heck Neifi was playing SS ... the Houston Fox broadcasters were really talking up the wise decision of getting Izturis and Dusty just sat him.

"The good news is, the Cubs have reached rock bottom. The bad news is, they've started to dig." Bob V., May 2006, WGN Baseball Blog ...

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 15, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it when Neif-EE starts
As I said yesterday, starting Neif-EE and batting him second leads to losses, which should lead to the  non-reupping of the dustbag and his band of "coaches".

If it takes another 30 losses to get rid of these idiots, so be it.  The season went down the tubes when the dustbag got the most out of his players in May and June.

Don't let the dorr hit you on the way out, Dusty!

by thisteamisajoke on Aug 15, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Neifi batting 2nd
To take your comments on Neifi batting 2nd in a different direction, B. Miles article today had Baker quoted saying that Murton shouldn't be batting 2nd because they need production out of him lower in the order.  he went so far to say that Pagan would be a better candidate because of his speed.  Ok so if he wants speed in the 2-spot why is Neifi always there?  He is an extremely slow-runner.  But I guess he makes contact and that' apparently what you need even though it's DP after DP.

by jman on Aug 15, 2006 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I am defending
Dustys staff, however has Rothschild actually said or was quoted as saying "nibble". If Rothschild stated this then yes that is crazy on his part. But it is glaring how this staff just walks the ballpark. Some blame to the pitchers, and Dustys staff has to some of the heat. I just don't agree with Rothschild taking all the blame. Z's stuff is so good nibble should not be a word associated with him. Where Rothschild should get more heat is with the younger pitchers, he should be instructing, and obviously that has not worked. With Wood, Prior and Z, they need to execute, they know walks and deep counts effects there performance. They should be held accountable.
I guess I have more problem with plate discipline on the hitters part, then the walks the Cubs pitchers issue.
It is amazing how tough is it " work the count, 3-1 count hit your pitch" and " throw the damn ball across the plate, throw strike one"

Hey, I want this staff out of here like the majority of us, But the players have to step it up also and execute

Wood for closer in 07

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 15, 2006 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitching coach
I suspect that if Dusty had his druthers, he would prefer his Dick Pole to be pitching coach.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's another problem.
Most teams have either former managers or managers-in-waiting as bench coaches. What qualifications does Pole have for that job? What does he even DO?

by Al on Aug 15, 2006 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when this staff goes
anybody have any ideas who could be a pitching coach?

Bud Black would be ideal, but he would never leave the Angels

Wood for closer in 07

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 15, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry is a keeper
Even if Dusty is shown the door, I betcha anything Hendry keeps his boy Larry Rothschild around as pitching coach under the new manager.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right
Hendry needs friends. At least until now, Baker was his best friend. Rothschild turned down the offer to go to Detroit so he has many bonus points with the Cubs and it'd be hard to dismiss him. I could see the hiring decision on a new manager being the one that is willing to keep the sweater man.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My solution
Make Mike Maddux manager and be done with it.  For an organization that professes it wants to build around high ceiling young pitching, why not hire a capable pitching guru as manager.  I am of the opinion that Mike Maddux is going to be the next fine young manager in this game.  Lets go get him.  

by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a good call
I would have no problem with that hire.
Wood for closer in 07

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 15, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can Greg come too ?
In about 4 years, 3 years more of playing and one of
goofing off ( he says he wants to take a year off after
he retires) That gives Mike enough time to win a
WS or two before hiring Greg as pitching coach to
make sure Z wins his 5th straight Cy Young.
Seriously  have ALWAYS wanted Mike and think he
would make a terrific manager but I doubt he would leave
Yost right now. Also I don't see Hendry going that out
the  box.
I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way things are going
I'm guessing Ned Coletti picks him up as a pitching coach before we do.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg or Mike ?
Colletti won't be undercutting Honeycutt so he is not
looking for a pitching coach. HOWEVER it can't be an accident
that the Dodgers AAA affilate IS IN VEGAS. Greg Maddux
just gave an interview in which he said he wants to take
a year off to travel with his wife WHEN he retires
( remember this is the same guy who said "I would rather
pitch bad than not pitch at all " so he is not in a hurry)
FYI his idea of travelling apparently includes visiting
the world's great golf courses.  Personally I figure
he will be some kind of roaving Dodger instructor for
a year , getting his feet wet but who knows what "jobs"
are going to be open 3 or 4 years from now.
I am pretty sure he will have a lot of offers for his services

Again I think Mike is very loyal to Ned Yost. I would
be happy to poach BOTH of them but Yost has a contract through next season
next year

I HATE NED COLLETTI

by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was asked that at last year's cub convention
When asked that very thing at last year's cub convention he said he sits next to Dusty and says 'What the hell did you do that for?'

If I remember correctly he did sort of go through an answer after that about being someone to bounce ideas off for Dusty but it seemed very much like his job description is murky at best.  

by JonH on Aug 15, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Pole
schedules infield practice for the team and makes dinner reservations for the coaches when they're on the road.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neifi starting
At this point, I really think Baker does it just because he likes him.  I think Baker knows he is not coming back so he is just doing what he wants to regardless of what might make sense or what Hendry wants.

Baker isn't completely stupid.  He knows that there is no reason to ever start Perez over Izturis, Cedeno or Theriot at this point in the season but he doesn't care.      

by rlpete on Aug 15, 2006 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, forget Neifi
Ship him back to South Korea.
...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on Aug 15, 2006 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do any of you
think management knows or even cares that there is such an uproar with the fans over the way this team is being coached and managed?
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes and No
I think they know, but I think they view the fans the same way every organization in any sports does: "What do they know?"  I think it is human nature to believe that you are good at what you do.  And when people question your ability to do your job, you dismiss them as not knowing what they are talking about, criticizing something they don't understand, etc.  I hate to get into psychology, but I have no doubt that Andy MacPhail, Jim Hendry, Dusty Baker, Larry Rothschild, et al, all truly in their hearts believe that they are good at their respective jobs.  

What none of them really understand, even after being here for quite a while now, is the plight of the Cubs Fan.  They might think they do, but none of these guys are true, lifelong, die-hard Cubs fans the way we are.  And to really understand the life of a Cubs fan, you have to be one.  That's why Cubs fans love people like Ron Santo, Pat Hughes, Ryne Sandberg, Mark Grace, Andre Dawson and Steve Stone.  These guys did not grow up Cubs fans, but they get it. They understand.  MacPhail, Hendry, Baker....these guys could never understand what Cubs Nation is all about and never will.  That's the intangible advantage of going after people like Ned Colletti, Joe Girardi, Kenny Lofton, etc.  They grew up as Cubs fans, and that is an intangible that you cannot overlook when making hiring decisions.  

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That my friend
is at the heart of the matter. They'll just never get it. And while they claim to want success, it's all about a job. With us, it's about our family. That's why I feel Girardi would be the best fit for the team.

In a way, it's like when Reagan became President. It wasn't about his policies. It was that he made so many people feel proud to be an American again after all the controversy over Nam.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was unimpressed with Girardi's abilities last...
...night watching the Fish v. Dodgers. It looked like he was going out of his way to lose the game. I had previously thought he was doing a good job.
I wrote the longest post and best post I ever have. And it just dissapeared, I am so dissapointed right now. Sorry.

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Aug 15, 2006 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you say?
What did he do wrong?

by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's.......
trying to get fired??

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 15, 2006 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said
you hit the nail on the head.
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Aug 15, 2006 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say
The management is in such denile it's sad. What inducation would they have? The Cubs sell out every home game (Cubberneckers). A couple of blogs have gotten press about one thing or another. The management still doesn't believe in OBP and walks. The flaws run so deep it's incredible.
You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Aug 15, 2006 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 1998 Giants
I was looking at the lineup and here are some interesting facts. Look at the OBP of the team. It was phenomenal. It's hard to believe that they didn't win 100 games. Their team OBP was .352 and only two starters were under 30, Mueller at 27 and Aurillia at 26.  I guess he didn't like coaching rookies then, either.

Bernard .396
Mueller .383
Bonds   .438
Kent    .359
Carter  .322
Hayes   .351
Snow    .332
Aurilia .319

Now that's a lineup. And apparently Baker didn't have to make many decisions. Now I know what they mean when they say "Baker's type of team".

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1998
Remember - 1998 was a year when hitting was at its peak. All the numbers that year across baseball were magnified.

by danimal15 on Aug 15, 2006 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Orioles
are going after that stud pitcher from Japan,that was the MVP on the EBC, Matuzaka is his name?? Damn you Hendry, your the one thats supposed to go after him

by PrimeTime on Aug 15, 2006 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs can't afford him at that pricetag
Posting (negotiation) rights are expected to cost around $20-30M; he'd likely sign with Boras if posted; and Rosenthal estimates a contract around 5/$75M.

If the Cubs enter the season with a $100M payroll, they'll have ~$20-25M to play with this off-season.  If they get Matsuzaka, that would be all they'd do and there are way too many holes on the team.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Trib toed the line on the payroll and kept it flat.  Zero chance that they'll raise it signficantly.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

by Pa on Aug 15, 2006 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A flat payroll
is just one more reason why committing money to a scrub like Izturis was a bad idea.  If the Cubs wanted someone to get out 70% of the time they can find someone to do that for the league minimum.

by Jhoratio on Aug 15, 2006 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WBC
sorry  he was 3-0 with a 0.86 ERA i think

by PrimeTime on Aug 15, 2006 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Matsuzaka......
is the long shot of long shots.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 15, 2006 3:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Next year
from what people say around here, we have no shot at:
Zito
C. Lee
Soriano
Matzusaka
Any good player worth a lot of money

So is the consensus Hendry will ink more 31-34, middle of the road players to "fill" as many holes as possible? Hoping Zampbrono and D Lee can carry the entire team? Then in 2 years, we can have the heinz ketchup upper deck.

"Booze, broads, and bullshit. If you got all that, what else do you need?" - Harry Caray

by 10 14 23 26 on Aug 15, 2006 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sad isn't it?
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2001 Cubs and 2006 Cubs
What do they have in common? Well, that's not my point, but I am cleaning out my closet in preparation for moving back to Chicago this Thursday (!!) and I came across an SI from 2001. They were talking about the surprising first-half Cubs and said
Winning seasons for the Cubs are kind of like Solar eclipses. They are rare but also come out of nowhere.

It was something like that. But my point is that things are certainly dire around here this year, but there is no reason to believe that some key acquisitions in the off-season and the development of our pitchers (who are getting some SERIOUS work at the end of the season which is something to really be happy about) won't help this team to at least a winning record next season, if not a WC or division title.

GO CUBS! Rough up the Rocket.

by jag alskar bjornungarna on Aug 15, 2006 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But......
Well, a winning record or division title is a good start, but I would prefer to think in terms of winning the World Series.  I think if MacPhail or Hendry would look at next season with that goal, as opposed to their usual, "Hopefully we'll be competitive next year" type of attitude, maybe winning seasons would be a bit more common than solar eclipses.  And maybe world championships would be more common than the appearance of Halley's Comet.

 

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At one time
I was very happy that Baker was hired. Prior to then our mantra was always be "competetive". He said he was intent on making the playoffs. And when we did, I was very confidant we'd turned the corner. Little did I know how much of the future was lost those two last games vs the Marlins.

Of course now we're hoping to get close to .500. Then it's playing .500 ball after the break. Perhaps  we can even play .500 ball the final month. Or, worse yet, knocking other teams out of the playoffs.

There can be no doubt that Baker has lost his drive and taken most of the Cubs with him. I want my dream back of seeing the Cubs not only in the WS, but winning it. To set a goal any lower is to disrespect every Cub fan living or dead.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said....
and I agree w/ you. In fact, the one time that Dusty's words have been refreshing to hear for me this year was on Saturday baseball when he was being interviewed by the announcers. They asked him if he would be back and he gave his canned answers and all, but then he said something like "I came here to win a World Series and not for any other reason."

It really caught me off guard to hear him talk like that because it's the only time he ever sounded like he really wanted to win.

I agree w/ you that we should be hoping for a World Series and not just to be competitive. There's nothing wrong w/ building though, and I sure would love to beat out the Cards for the Central Division championship next year, but yes, only if we had a legitimate chance to win the WS!

Or at least a pennant, right?

by jag alskar bjornungarna on Aug 15, 2006 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or at least
a winning record in day games televised on WGN.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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