Yet Another Reason To Never Start Neifi!
Cubs' record in all other games: 31-36
Neifi! isn't a bad player. He's just not a very GOOD player; he has his uses, and bench players have to start once in a while. But he should never, EVER bat second. We've all agreed on this. I simply cannot fathom why Dusty Baker continues to do this. The only way to stop it would be to remove him from the roster, and even THAT might not stop Baker from writing his name on a lineup card.
Maybe Baker's pissed at Neifi! for the dramatic game-winning HR he hit on September 27, 1998, a walk-off job that prevented Baker's Giants from winning the wild card outright (never mind that the Giants blew a 7-0 lead in that game), and forced the dramatic tiebreaker game the next day, which the Cubs won, and thus went on to the postseason, while Dusty and the Giants stayed home -- and so maybe Baker's taking out his anger on that eight-year-old homer on us Cubs fans.
I know, that's ridiculous, but so is any other explanation of why Neifi! continues to bat second. Incidentally, the day he hit that walk-off job in Denver? He was batting second.
I cannot figure out what is up with Carlos Zambrano. He's always walked a fair number of hitters (3.5 per 9 innings last year, about the same in 2004), but this year he's walked more than five hitters per nine innings. Only the fact that he's allowed only 126 hits in 170 innings has kept his WHIP at 1.30, a reasonable ratio which is close to his career average of 1.28. It's got to be the influence of Larry Rothschild, who likes his pitchers to "nibble"; Z used to be more of a ground-ball pitcher even when he was throwing 95+ MPH. This year, he'll likely set a career high for strikeouts (220 or so) and also lead the league in walks.
This is yet another reason why Rothschild, Baker and the entire staff have to go. They've made a caricature out of this team. The Cubs are leading the major leagues in walks and strikeouts. The last time a club led BOTH leagues in BOTH categories was the 1989 Texas Rangers, who had a still-fireballing Nolan Ryan (301 K's). The 2003 Cubs led the National League in both categories -- maybe this is why the coaching staff thinks it's so great to do this; that team won by doing that, so why can't they keep doing that?
This is the sort of "it worked once, so I'm going to keep doing it till it works again" thinking that dooms Dusty Baker to managerial failure. Baker had this bizarre quote in the AP game summary:
That same article, incidentally, said Zambrano is 24. He turned 25 on June 1.
And I'm spilling all this angst after a WIN. Phil Nevin provided all the offense with a two-run homer and a RBI single (trade him! NOW!), Ryan Dempster allowed his traditional ninth-inning baserunner but then induced Willy Taveras to ground into the aforementioned game-ending DP, and the Cubs shut out the Astros for the third time this year (of five team shutouts; the other two were back-to-back jobs over the Nationals on May 16 and 17). Savor it for a few hours; tonight's on-paper mismatch (Mateo vs. Clemens) might not be so enjoyable.
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Cubs' record when Neifi! starts: 19-32
Cubs' record in all other games: 31-36
Hmmm. Al, are you implying that by not having Neifi, one of the worst hitters of all time, in the lineup, the Cubs increase their chances of winning?
I simply refuse to believe that.
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 15, 2006 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Are you insinuating something?"
Points to anyone who can tell me what that's from.
by Al on Aug 15, 2006 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flying Circus
by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nudge Nudge
Wouter
Timeless stuff...
by wpronk on Aug 15, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that also from....
History of the world Part 1 where madelin Kahn is picking out the servants for that night's orgy?
I prefer Python but History of the World Part 1 was my first answer.
by yahoodi on Aug 15, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes...
"You made some very big decisions today."
by Ross on Aug 15, 2006 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homer and Marge
by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi started in a lot of
by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and...?
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 15, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and many of the
neifi got in there often when walker got moved to 1b.
remember??
by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of hard to forget
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 15, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since you're so smart,
Sorry, I didn't provide a mathematical equation for you.
by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys
by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's pretty obvious what
by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm serious
by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooh
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 15, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still no idea what I'm implying?
Thanx
by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, i'm confused
by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
Z's walks have INCREASED this year. What other explanation could there be?
by Al on Aug 15, 2006 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rothschild stinks
by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What???
The same Larry who hasn't "coached up" a single young Cub pitcher during his five year tenure?!?
The same Larry who Jim Hendry can't possibly live without even though Cub pitching remains largely ineffective or injury plagued each and every season?!?
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol ......yeah thats the guy
by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So where...
by davidalanu on Aug 15, 2006 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors...
by sickofthis on Aug 15, 2006 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Mike
by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you
by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it may be stupid but not libel
if he were dumb enough to sue HE would have to prove
the above was either totally false and that the poster
knew to be false or acted with total recklessness which is
almost impossible standard. My friend's cousin's girlfriend
told me this would suffice as a defense.
As for Al it is even less likely he would get into trouble
though there might be an issue of indifying the poster
Again I find this kind of stuff stupid and very unhelpful
but libel requires a VERY high standard and there is
ZERO chance Hendry sues a blog over a post like that
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Jessica on the libel issue
More than that, I find it distasteful for this issue to be brought up every time someone disagrees with Hendry's job as GM.
Whether Mike63 "knows" that Hendry drinks at a bar for several hours per day is irrelevant (and coming from a fairly remote source). I have spent many hours sitting at bars to unwind, and sometimes drink very little while there. The marriage issue is a whole other ball of wax...and sounds even less liklely to be public knowledge--much less something that a 23-year-old bartender would learn while serving drinks to a baseball executive.
Obviously, I don't know one way or the other, and I'm certainly not calling Mike63 a liar in any way. I just think that something that serious is dangerous to banter about unless you have personal knowledge of its truth.
by jcub on Aug 15, 2006 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
Its a high standard, Hendry would likely not prevail. But it would be expensive for all involved.
by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry won't write any "scary letters"
A "scary" letter is likely to end up on the web
Realistically public figures do not track down
nasty stuff posted about them on the Web.
It would be ridiculous. Lawyers literally come out
the woodwork to volunteer to help people because
they get so much press time.
This is an issue perhaps of good taste but what
is the big difference between the allegations made
against Hendry and many of the equally nasty things
that have been posted about players, Dusty and assorted
Cub personel.
Al does prefer people to be circumspect on this
sort of thing but that is his call. Libel is a non issue here
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right
by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well thank heavens
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if your reference regarding
However, when you question a player's drive, or call them a wuss for not pitching through pain, I feel that is different than attacking them for issues completely unrelated to their job and essentially stating that they have a disease and can not control their alcohol intake. It just seems overboard and off-topic to me.
If, in fact, Hendry does have a serious drinking problem, then he should not be acting as general manager of the Cubs since it would undoubtedly have a negative effect on his ability to do his job.
by jcub on Aug 15, 2006 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting a bit silly
question a players drive and call them a wuss and wouldn't
it be boring if that was all we did?
For those of you who enjoy totally evil and often
unsubstantiated gossip about players off field activities
try this site which to the best of my knowledge has never
been sued.
http://itsasecretsohush.blogspot.com/
What the heck it is fun
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been
by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Frustrated Fan Foley
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Community Guidelines
The following are simply not acceptable on BCB (excepting, in some cases, for obvious humor between people with an existing rapport); they violate BCB's Community Guidelines, and are subject to sanction as outlined below:
1. Personal attacks on community members, directly or through sarcasm/belittling, e.g., "You're an idiot," "You don't know what you're talking about, moron," "Apparently, you've never seen a baseball game, or you'd know...", "My Chihuahua knows more about baseball than you do," etc.
2. Comments that are intolerant or prejudiced (sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.) in nature, e.g., "Why don't you go play with your dolls?", "The Cubs shouldn't sign black players," "Doesn't Damon look like a fag?", etc.
The comments by Mike63 are full of the comments of the first type. In fact, it would not be difficult to find examples of each of these types of comments in his postings with little effort. The second group of bad postings (the intolerent or prejudiced) are also present, although not as direct.
The failure of Al to sanction Mike63 renders many of these guidelines a mockery. As long as Mike63 is allowed to post, I am going to stop posting. And I suspect that others have already left. Not because of what Mike says as much as the method by which he says it and his style and language of posting.
Al's made his choice. I think its the wrong one.
by frustratedfan on Aug 15, 2006 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have just finished reading all of this...
by Al on Aug 15, 2006 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa. I never really meant to get spiritual
I think we actually agree Jessica, because if I wanted gossipy crap I would watch MTV or read the tabloids. I don't, so I read a sports blog.
by jcub on Aug 15, 2006 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry wouldn't
by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by CubFaninCA on Aug 15, 2006 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cy Zambrano
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't overlook Brandon Webb....
by Al on Aug 15, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Penny?
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy
by VS on Aug 15, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Z....
by sparkles721 on Aug 15, 2006 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penny will NEVER win
me writers remember such things. Don't think the voting
is "strictly by the numbers"
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
The Dodger uniform looks weird on him. And I don't mean weird as in 'he's not a Cubs uniform' I mean weird as in it just looks strange. Maybe it's just me. The six on the back definitely is not right.
by sparkles721 on Aug 15, 2006 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
penny
by flyball on Aug 15, 2006 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping Furcal & Nomar
The funny thing is Maddux really does not care.
He does not care what he wears on or off the
field ( if you think he looked like a geek off the field in
Chicago imagine him in lala land) It is all about the game and unlike most players he has no superstitions.
However I think even he thinks it is just not proper
to follow a baseball tradition ( though he would NEVER
say so).
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux
by danimal15 on Aug 15, 2006 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of respect to Maddux...
by santo for prez on Aug 16, 2006 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike63,
by Peoria Matt on Aug 15, 2006 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, even I can't
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Half Neifi
by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely correct
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat OT
Also, it occurred to me that Hendry is going to be enraged in short order if Dusty keeps starting his beloved Neifi over Hendry's new toy.
by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Problem with your theory
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As little faith as I have in Jim
by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty can't win...
What was he supposed to do, trot JHJ out there every day?
Sheesh.
by salparadise23 on Aug 15, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There IS a Patterson-esque quality with...
But I do have to comment that I was wondering why the heck Neifi was playing SS ... the Houston Fox broadcasters were really talking up the wise decision of getting Izturis and Dusty just sat him.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 15, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it when Neif-EE starts
If it takes another 30 losses to get rid of these idiots, so be it. The season went down the tubes when the dustbag got the most out of his players in May and June.
Don't let the dorr hit you on the way out, Dusty!
by thisteamisajoke on Aug 15, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neifi batting 2nd
by jman on Aug 15, 2006 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I am defending
I guess I have more problem with plate discipline on the hitters part, then the walks the Cubs pitchers issue.
It is amazing how tough is it " work the count, 3-1 count hit your pitch" and " throw the damn ball across the plate, throw strike one"
Hey, I want this staff out of here like the majority of us, But the players have to step it up also and execute
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 15, 2006 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching coach
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's another problem.
by Al on Aug 15, 2006 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when this staff goes
Bud Black would be ideal, but he would never leave the Angels
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 15, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry is a keeper
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My solution
by Mike63 on Aug 15, 2006 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a good call
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 15, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Greg come too ?
goofing off ( he says he wants to take a year off after
he retires) That gives Mike enough time to win a
WS or two before hiring Greg as pitching coach to
make sure Z wins his 5th straight Cy Young.
Seriously have ALWAYS wanted Mike and think he
would make a terrific manager but I doubt he would leave
Yost right now. Also I don't see Hendry going that out
the box.
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way things are going
by cubbiejulie on Aug 15, 2006 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg or Mike ?
looking for a pitching coach. HOWEVER it can't be an accident
that the Dodgers AAA affilate IS IN VEGAS. Greg Maddux
just gave an interview in which he said he wants to take
a year off to travel with his wife WHEN he retires
( remember this is the same guy who said "I would rather
pitch bad than not pitch at all " so he is not in a hurry)
FYI his idea of travelling apparently includes visiting
the world's great golf courses. Personally I figure
he will be some kind of roaving Dodger instructor for
a year , getting his feet wet but who knows what "jobs"
are going to be open 3 or 4 years from now.
I am pretty sure he will have a lot of offers for his services
Again I think Mike is very loyal to Ned Yost. I would
be happy to poach BOTH of them but Yost has a contract through next season
next year
by jessica on Aug 15, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was asked that at last year's cub convention
If I remember correctly he did sort of go through an answer after that about being someone to bounce ideas off for Dusty but it seemed very much like his job description is murky at best.
by JonH on Aug 15, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Pole
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neifi starting
Baker isn't completely stupid. He knows that there is no reason to ever start Perez over Izturis, Cedeno or Theriot at this point in the season but he doesn't care.
by rlpete on Aug 15, 2006 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, forget Neifi
by CliffX on Aug 15, 2006 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do any of you
by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes and No
What none of them really understand, even after being here for quite a while now, is the plight of the Cubs Fan. They might think they do, but none of these guys are true, lifelong, die-hard Cubs fans the way we are. And to really understand the life of a Cubs fan, you have to be one. That's why Cubs fans love people like Ron Santo, Pat Hughes, Ryne Sandberg, Mark Grace, Andre Dawson and Steve Stone. These guys did not grow up Cubs fans, but they get it. They understand. MacPhail, Hendry, Baker....these guys could never understand what Cubs Nation is all about and never will. That's the intangible advantage of going after people like Ned Colletti, Joe Girardi, Kenny Lofton, etc. They grew up as Cubs fans, and that is an intangible that you cannot overlook when making hiring decisions.
by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That my friend
In a way, it's like when Reagan became President. It wasn't about his policies. It was that he made so many people feel proud to be an American again after all the controversy over Nam.
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was unimpressed with Girardi's abilities last...
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Aug 15, 2006 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say?
by cubsbak on Aug 15, 2006 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 15, 2006 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say
by Scott G F on Aug 15, 2006 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 1998 Giants
Bernard .396
Mueller .383
Bonds .438
Kent .359
Carter .322
Hayes .351
Snow .332
Aurilia .319
Now that's a lineup. And apparently Baker didn't have to make many decisions. Now I know what they mean when they say "Baker's type of team".
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Orioles
by PrimeTime on Aug 15, 2006 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs can't afford him at that pricetag
If the Cubs enter the season with a $100M payroll, they'll have ~$20-25M to play with this off-season. If they get Matsuzaka, that would be all they'd do and there are way too many holes on the team.
I wouldn't be suprised if the Trib toed the line on the payroll and kept it flat. Zero chance that they'll raise it signficantly.
by Pa on Aug 15, 2006 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A flat payroll
by Jhoratio on Aug 15, 2006 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WBC
by PrimeTime on Aug 15, 2006 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matsuzaka......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 15, 2006 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Next year
Zito
C. Lee
Soriano
Matzusaka
Any good player worth a lot of money
So is the consensus Hendry will ink more 31-34, middle of the road players to "fill" as many holes as possible? Hoping Zampbrono and D Lee can carry the entire team? Then in 2 years, we can have the heinz ketchup upper deck.
by 10 14 23 26 on Aug 15, 2006 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sad isn't it?
by sue369 on Aug 15, 2006 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2001 Cubs and 2006 Cubs
It was something like that. But my point is that things are certainly dire around here this year, but there is no reason to believe that some key acquisitions in the off-season and the development of our pitchers (who are getting some SERIOUS work at the end of the season which is something to really be happy about) won't help this team to at least a winning record next season, if not a WC or division title.
GO CUBS! Rough up the Rocket.
by jag alskar bjornungarna on Aug 15, 2006 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But......
by ctcoff99 on Aug 15, 2006 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At one time
Of course now we're hoping to get close to .500. Then it's playing .500 ball after the break. Perhaps we can even play .500 ball the final month. Or, worse yet, knocking other teams out of the playoffs.
There can be no doubt that Baker has lost his drive and taken most of the Cubs with him. I want my dream back of seeing the Cubs not only in the WS, but winning it. To set a goal any lower is to disrespect every Cub fan living or dead.
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said....
It really caught me off guard to hear him talk like that because it's the only time he ever sounded like he really wanted to win.
I agree w/ you that we should be hoping for a World Series and not just to be competitive. There's nothing wrong w/ building though, and I sure would love to beat out the Cards for the Central Division championship next year, but yes, only if we had a legitimate chance to win the WS!
Or at least a pennant, right?
by jag alskar bjornungarna on Aug 15, 2006 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or at least
by tharr on Aug 15, 2006 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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