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An Open Letter To Jim Hendry

Dear Jim:

Hey! How are you? Doing well, I hope, after the Cubs have had an 8-3 homestand? Happy?

Pleasantries aside, and I know those were pretty platitudinous pleasantries, there's a point to this letter to you, and here it is:

Do you know who that is, Jim? If you don't, shame on you, and I'll tell you. His name is Daisuke Matsuzaka, and he is the best pitcher in Japan -- maybe the best pitcher that has ever pitched in Japan. He is twenty-six years old and he wants to come and pitch in the US.

Please get this man to come and pitch for the Cubs, Jim. He throws something called a gyroball, which is supposedly going to revolutionize pitching. Jim, you can click here and watch Matsuzaka throw a gyroball.

Now, it's going to cost you a lot of money to sign him. First, it's going to cost you to just get the rights to sign him from his Japanese team, the Seibu Lions. This is because MLB and the Japanese leagues agreed, after so many Japanese stars came over here (beginning with Hideo Nomo), on a system called "posting", where Japanese teams announce that a player or players want to come to the US and MLB teams submit sealed bids to get those players. This is how Ichiro Suzuki came over here. For the Lions, according to Seattle Times columnist Larry Stone, it's a possible Catch-22, though. Stone writes:

Whether Seibu will do so is an open question that draws considerable variance of opinion. Because Matsuzaka will not be a free agent until after the 2008 season, his only route to the United States before then is if Seibu agrees to "post" him -- the same method by which Ichiro joined the Mariners after the 2000 season.

I surveyed a cross-section of major-league officials, scouts and media with knowledge of Japanese baseball, and found virtually a 50-50 split of opinion on whether Matsuzaka will be posted this winter by Seibu -- which has twice already denied his request to be posted.

The Lions don't want to do this because of Matsuzaka's popularity -- but Jim, I'll bet you if you could get $30 million of the Tribune Company's money, they'd let him come to the Cubs. (C'mon -- you can do it, right? Tribco's got TONS of money sitting around under mattresses, right?) Or maybe $40 million. But you're going to need that, because in addition to the Mariners, the Yankees are interested. And so are the Angels. Former major league pitcher Willie Fraser, who now scouts Asian players, had this to say about Matsuzaka last winter (Matsuzaka has turned 26 since this interview Fraser gave to the Hudson Valley Record):
He threw an 11-inning no-hitter in high school. He is 6-foot and 25 years old. Matsuzaka's got a fastball that ranges from 92-96 mph and has command of two other pitches (slider and splitter). I think he is a No. 1 or No. 2 starter in the majors. He's pitching in the World Baseball Classic, so people get a chance to see him in the U.S.
Look, Jim, I know that it'll cost you a lot of money just to get his rights -- and then even more to sign him to the four- or five-year deal he's going to want. But this is not only getting a #1 starter who's the same age as Mark Prior, it's getting a rock star, a drawing card, which the Cubs sorely need. Matsuzaka is so popular in Japan that people who were born in 1980 or 1981, near the time that he was born, are called the Matsuzaka Generation. Think Ichiro times two.

And Jim, know what the best part is? There are strong indications that if the Lions agree to post him, Matsuzaka will choose Scott Boras as his US agent. You know Scott well, Jim, and we all know you have made several deals with him, to the benefit of the Cubs. This would be the best one of all, and would not only get a highly marketable player to the Cubs, but would also address a huge need they have (a healthy, ace starting pitcher), and would show all of us, your loyal fans, that you ARE doing whatever it takes to put a winner on the field. I mean, look at the video again -- Matsuzaka wears #18, and there's no one on the Cubs' entire 40-man roster wearing #18 right now, so you wouldn't even have to worry about some selfish guy not giving up his number to a superstar.

Enjoy the rest of your day, Jim, and get that cellphone cranking to Japan. Tell ya what -- if you need it, I'll get you an international phonecard so you can call over there as much as you like.

All the best, and Go Cubs!,
Al Yellon

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He's the next Jae-Kuk Ryu!
HA DOOOOOO KEN!
...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on Aug 7, 2006 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You can't be serious.
As one of the linked articles said, he's comparable to Barry Zito.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SHORUKEN!
(does that spinning leg kick thingy) Itz tek hai baruken!

He can't be the next Barry Zito.  Barry's white!  lolz

...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on Aug 7, 2006 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If all you're going to do here...
... is make dumb, insensitive comments, take them elsewhere. This isn't the place for that kind of nonsense.

Fair warning.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha do ken. I apologize.
Go Cubs.

BTW, South Side Sox got sniff of this a long time ago:
http://www.southsidesox.com/story/2006/7/17/181450/958

...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on Aug 7, 2006 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome...
if the Cubs could somehow sign him and Zito then the rotation next year could be:

Zambrano,
Zito,
Zito aka Matsuzaka,
Zito aka Rich Hill,
Prior

They played hard. They did their best. Move on. Their whole life isn't out in that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession.

by Jeff Pico on Aug 7, 2006 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

video
that was a great video. Have my doubts that the Cubs will come up with the money for this guy but one can always hope. And as for Zito, he is doing very well right now (as are the A's) but I've watched him for awhile now and he is inconsistent.I would take Schmidt instead if he were somehow available.
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Aug 7, 2006 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen!
preach it!

I'm totally on board with everything you just said Al.  Everything that the Cubs spend to get him, will come back around to them, just as it has with the Mariners with Ichiro.

This is a no brainer, just open your wallet.

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by jonpyardi on Aug 7, 2006 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Matsuzaka a drawing card?
I thought that TribCo was already bringing in 38,000+ a game and would rather funnel it to Iran, kick a puppy and push a fat kid down than spend it on talent.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 7, 2006 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not in tickets
think in Marketing terms as far as merchandise and TV ratings (ads and such)
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by jonpyardi on Aug 7, 2006 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.
Think how many Ichiro shirts you see around.

Multiply that by about 10.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARod is a drawing card..
..and I know I slammed you for it not happening (yet?) but I still want it to happen.  

If you can't get it done than you can't get it done, but I would give it priority over acquiring Matsuzaka.

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 7, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question.
I'm not saying I disagree, but I was wondering what would make him such a huge marketing and drawing card?
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Aug 7, 2006 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marketing Draw
The market for Cubs merchandise most likely doesn't reach an audience far outside of the US.  When you bring a player as popular and as widely known, you are expanding your audience, and therefore making money in a new market.
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by jonpyardi on Aug 7, 2006 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention U.S. citizens of Japanese
descent.  I know that Seattle was a huge draw for Ichiro and Johjima (sp?) because of the large Japanese population in the northwest U.S. and northern California.

These are casual fans that might not get into baseball without the Japanese players.

by jcub on Aug 7, 2006 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that, and for revenue.
You hit this on the mark.  I'm half Japanese, and my Japanese father is a sox fan because of Tadahito Iguchi.  This is a huge draw, and why I constantly argue baseball over football as a superior sport: anybody, no matter their race and body type can play and produce significant results.  ichiro's hits record is exemplary of that.  

Had I a role model like Sadaharu Oh (world HR record holder), Ichiro, or Matsuzaka growing up, I'm sure i'd have pursued baseball less casually as a kid.

Let's hope the Tribune Company sees Matsuzaka as a priority this off season.  New International advertisers can drive their rates up, Increased internet traffic, and licensing rights to televised games would certainly help the Trib make that money back, not to mention increased ticket sales.  Perhaps they can even have Matsuzaka write a blog about playing ball here in the states.  

by bmeteor on Aug 8, 2006 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soooo..
..do they make more money off of tickets or TV ratings? (no sarcasm)
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 7, 2006 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In gross revenues?
Depends how you account for it, since with the Cubs the TV and radio are co-owned with the team (including the part of CSN the Cubs own). So you have to take into account ad revenues.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this recent homestand means is..
Hendry is a week or two away from revealing that Dust-bag is being extended.....

by TheBeerBaron on Aug 7, 2006 10:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yikes
if we are going to compete with the mariner and yank for him we will be in deep it.  even if they gave Jim the money, we would have to concoct some reason that he should want to come.  A losing tradition and much larger Asian cultures in Seattle and New York make this pretty doubtful for me.  

by mike bornemann on Aug 7, 2006 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We would,,,,,,,
have to thank the WS for this if Hendry gets this done.  Iguchi and Takatsu loved Chicago and have gushed about the city in interviews back home.

One problem is the # of pitches he throws.  I am looking for a link that discussed this.  

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Aug 7, 2006 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn't heard
about them gushing over Chicago, but that is definately a good sign.  I also just read in the other diary that he doesn't get to decide where he is going, another plus for us.

by mike bornemann on Aug 7, 2006 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's correct.
If he's posted, the teams submit sealed bids. The highest bidder gets the rights.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard about .......
...Matsuzaka before but never seen footage of his FILTHY "gyroball".

 So the split finger fastball is the last pitch to be invented? What about Kerry Wood's "slurve"?

 

by escapegoat on Aug 7, 2006 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought
Prior's dreaded "towel ball" was the most recent?

by Short4Fanatic on Aug 7, 2006 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that the the pitch
that starts as a towel ball and by the time it reaches the batter, it's a towelette.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 7, 2006 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have him but...
I just don't see the Cubs doing what it takes to land this guy. The Cubs always seem to pass when it comes to talented Japanese players, instead choosing to rely upon their fractured farm system. If anything, TribCo and their shriveling bottom line would put the kibosh on any big money deals.

Even when they had Nomo in AAA for an audition ('99 I think?), they still took a pass on him. Worse yet, he got picked up by someone else (Milwaukee?) and had several quality starts that year. IIRC, I think pitching was a problem that year. (will be out of the office - will check back later)

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Aug 7, 2006 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I pondered a diary about this...
but decided it'd be better to do that in another month.

What are Dusty's chances to return? A few weeks ago, I would have thought they were nil...but I just don't know what's going through Jim's head right now.

Would a solid finish gain him another chance? While i don't think it should, Jim might be lured into a false security if the Cubs finish strong. So what are the chances anyone?

I'm guessing Dusty has about a 30% chance of coming back. Man, I'm hoping for some new blood...

by thekansasian on Aug 7, 2006 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring his manager too.

 Isn't Bobby Valentine the manager of the Seibu Lions? He totally changed my mind of him when he managed the Mets. I would LOVE it if they signed Bobby V to replace Dusty, especially if it helps sign this guy.

  Bobby V was interested in the Cub job before  they signed Dusty. He'd be more of a kick in the ass, which the team needs and he's more than media savy. He also has the "Season is a marathon "  mentality and knows how to handle pitchers, bullpen, bench players and all that.

   I think it would be a great hire. and if it helped us in anyway get the pitcher then it's superb.

by yahoodi on Aug 7, 2006 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, lord no.
That's all we need -- Valentine's histrionics.

No thanks.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Valentine...
...is the manager of the Chiba Lotte Marines.

by jolietconvict on Aug 7, 2006 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Bobby V..........
coaches the Chiba Lotte Marines.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad then.

 I'd still love him as manager of the Cubs.

by yahoodi on Aug 7, 2006 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As others noted
Valentine is the manager of the Chiba Lotte Marines.  But, he's a huge superstar in Japan and considered a baseball genius over there.

Yeah, it's one of those things like vending machines and adult women in schoolgirl outfits that we don't get.

But yes, I think that hiring Bobby Valentine would be a big step towards expanding our influence in the Pacific rim.

by Josh77 on Aug 7, 2006 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry won't be given the money.
The majority of angst should be directed @ those above hendry.  
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Durham & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 7, 2006 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WBC stats...
Can anyone find his World Baseball Classic stats?

by ontheuptick on Aug 7, 2006 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

These are from..
..An article in the Seattle Times:

Last Year - 14-13 2.30 ERA

This year - 11-4  2.01 ERA
              -10 CG in 17 starts
              -133k's in 125 Inn.

WBC       - 3-0 0.85 ERA
              -MVP of WBC

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 7, 2006 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

jesus
do it hendry, show that you give a shit anymore.

by mike bornemann on Aug 7, 2006 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Japanese imports
have displayed a strong penchant for playing on the West Coast or for either the two New York teams.  The White Sox have been the only team successful in breaking that pattern with their signing of Shinjo Takatsu and the mega-underrated Tadihito Iguchi.  

Does it have something to do with their being a much larger proportion of Japanese Americans living on the West Coast?  Does it have something to do with the attraction of the Yankees and Mets playing in the Big Apple?  Does it have something to do with the player agents the Japanese imports use?  Don't know the answer.  

Everything being said, I wouldn't think the Cubs stand the greatest chance to land Matsuzaka.  And it has never been the style of the Cubs to get into extreme bidding wars.  You can bet the farm that the Yankees, Mets and Dodgers will go hot and heavy after Matsuzaka.  

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 10:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It has...
...to do with the fact that the teams on the west coast and NYC spend the most money.

by jolietconvict on Aug 7, 2006 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and large numbers
of Aian people on the coasts.

by mike bornemann on Aug 7, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

asian

by mike bornemann on Aug 7, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it has to do with agents...
... as I said, the Cubs might have a shot, considering their good relationship with Scott Boras.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Boras
Somebody kindly point out the high profile clients of Scott Boras who have been signed to deals that it can actually be argued is was a good (or even fair) deal for the team.  Off the cuff, I can't think of any.  

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about...
...Carlos Zambrano?

Or: Jared Weaver, Stephen Drew, Willy Tavares, Xavier Nady, Prince Fielder, Carlos Beltran, Joe Crede, Jason Veritek, Ivan Rodriguez, Matt Holliday and Magglio Ordonez to name a few?

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
Of the names you mention, only Beltran, Varitek, Rodriquez and Ordonez have inked long-term deals with teams.  

I'd say Beltran and Varitek are "worth it."  I wouldn't say the same about Pudge and Ordonez at their current pricetags.

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That isn't a rebuttal...
...that is a change in the original question.

You didn't say anything about long term deals.  Nor do you define what a "long term deal" is.

You said "have been signed to deals that it can actually be argued is was a good (or even fair) deal for the team".

I'm certain that with each of the players I mentioned, the teams (and their fans) feel that the deals were good AND fair, whether they are long term or not.  Whether you think so is not relevant.

Additionally, even if you only concede Beltran and Veritek (by changing the question) that is still two that according to your original speculation, didn't exist.

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More
It is a fact of life that when you sign a veteran player, who has a proven track record in the majors, when that player becomes a free agent, you pay a premium price.

This is not unique to Boras' clients.  It is the way it works in baseball.

That was certainly the case with Pudge and Ordonez.  What the hope is, is that the player will go on to produce something close to his average career numbers and will provide the leadership and mentoring of younger players that will create a winning atmosphere.

That was certainly the idea behind the Cubs signing Boras client Greg Maddux.  It didn't quite work out the way everyone had hoped, but you would have to say that Pudge and Magglio did work out that way. Therefore you would have to assume that Tiger management (and certainly their fans) feel that those signings were fair and well worth it...since it has brought them the best record in baseball so far in 2006.

BTW, I see where Livan Hernandez has been traded by the Nationals to Arizona.  Too bad the D'Backs didn't keep El Duque, they could have had both in their rotation.

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iguchi
You're right, Iguchi is mega underrated.  But he doesn't have the MEGA status as godzilla, Ichiro, Jojima, or even little matsui.

But he is the only Japanese player to win the World Series.

by bmeteor on Aug 8, 2006 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be careful
about asking Hendry to sign someone playing in Japan. He'll bring Macias back.
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Aug 7, 2006 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's Hope he has a low OBP.........
then Hendry will really take an interest in signing him!

by perseman on Aug 7, 2006 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I spent most of the day yesterday......
researching Japanese "yakyu" and there are a few things about Daisuke Matsuzaka that I don't think people are aware of. Firstly he wanted to be posted at the beginning of the season after the WBC and Seibu wouldn't do it(there was a sort of a handshake agreement that if he had an impressive 2005 season Seibu would consider doing it), Matsuzaka felt very hurt by this and betrayed to an extent and publically said in Japan that he will forgo his personal lobbying towards being posted until the end of next season when he becomes a FA so he might not be posted this offseason. Most experts seem to think he'll be in Japan in 2007. Secondly, he is a huge risk.....there is alot of mileage on that arm of his and there have been reports of a drop in velocity in his fastball from what I read it wasn't a drop of a few MPH but rather somewhere in the range of 5-7 MPH. I'm unsure whether or not he's gained it back. All of this brings up some concerns about his durability and shifting from the 6 man rotation used in Japan to the 5 man used in MLB.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 10:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Hendry
Hendry's tenure has been marked by poor judgement, bad decision making and lost opportunities.

So if this guy really is the real deal, he will probably wind up somewhere else.

by drone1047 on Aug 7, 2006 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just......
don't see the Tribune Co. doing whatever it takes to get Matsuzaka. Of course for a company in financial trouble it would be a very smart business move to open some revenue streams into the Japanese market seeing as how for one.....in the case of almost every major Japanese star that's come to MLB, the team that acquired said player gained a huge chunk of the Japanese market because the Japanese despite team loyalty will watch games featuring Japan's best players so in reality when an MLB team signs a Japanese player its as if they've added another 5-10 million fans and the money that those fans will spend on merchandise, sattelite tv, etc.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Gyroball
Here is a story from back in the WBC about the gyroball. It is real, but seems to be more myth than reality at this point. FWIW, the 18 year old HS kid who throws it should be in Hendry's sights.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-gyro031306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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by Ross on Aug 7, 2006 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Forget Matsuzaka...
Get that Japanese play-by-play guy to replace Len instead!

by theprognosticator on Aug 7, 2006 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2007 Starting rotation
The locks -- Carlos Zambrano

The humongoloid question mark -- Mark Prior

The kids -- Sean Marshall, Carlos Marmol

The maybes -- Rich Hill

The free agent signings -- Jeff Suppan (or reasonable facsimile)  

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Suppan?
Set your sights a little higher, please.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about...
Gil Meche or Padilla?  I believe they will both be FA.

by jman on Aug 7, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep both will
along w/ Eaton & Mulder, and that's where Andy/TheTrib will allow Hendry to start looking.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Durham & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 7, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like usual...I agree with Cubfan
and in most part Mike63......it's time to set our sights low, so we don't get disappointed.

by TheBeerBaron on Aug 7, 2006 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about
re-signing Maddux to a 1-year deal to be the fifth starter.

Then you have six guys you can build a rotation around (with Hill, Marshall and Prior all question marks - one is bound to fail).

Zambrano
Zito
Hill
Marshall
Prior
Maddux

by danimal15 on Aug 7, 2006 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately...
... I think the deal of Maddux means that he's done as a Cub.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maddux
I still have hopes that he'll come back for a third stint to finish his career here.

by danimal15 on Aug 7, 2006 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no thanx
if maddux is pitching anywhere, my guess it is in san diego.  he needs to go to a pitchers park and SD makes a lot of sense for him.  he'll be close to home, and won't cost sd a lot of money.  it will be a good draw for sd.  
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Durham & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 7, 2006 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This kind of remark...
...just makes me shake my head.  Suppan's aggregate numbers over the past three years are better than any starter on the Cubs roster, save Zambrano.  

Suppan would be an excellent signing.  It seems like Cubs fans are holding out for the next Fergie Jenkins.  Hate to break it to you - he's not out there.

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad
You're on the Matsuzaka bandwagon now Al.

We can get this guy.  All it takes is a lot of money.

by Josh77 on Aug 7, 2006 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We?
meaning the Yankees?? Red Sox?? Angels?? Dodgers?

"All it takes is a a lot money."  That's the reason why the Cubs won't get him.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Durham & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 7, 2006 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets start a big petition to get this guy....
Put his name on the back of Cubs shirts.... Hats... Lobby to get him....

If you build it, he will come....

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 7, 2006 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I truly
wonder if the players in Japan think of the Yankees as the place to be and that if the Yankees would offer the same as say the Cubs or another team of that calibur a Japanese player would only consider New York, just because of their rep. I guess in a nutshell how aware of MLB teams and such are Japanese players?
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Aug 7, 2006 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The point is...
... none of that matters if he gets posted. The highest bidder gets his rights.

I'm sure Japanese players know a LOT about MLB teams and cities, especially now that there are quite a few Japanese players here.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYC probably's the closest
thing to Tokyo in terms of pace/lifestyle.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Durham & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 7, 2006 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Lions are from Tokorozawa, Saitama
the Seibu Lions are based in a suburb of Tokyo, Tokorozawa, Saitama Prefecture.  It's probably more akin to Naperville.  

Kaz Matsui is from the Lions, and look how poorly he fared in NYC.  I'd say chicago is similar to what he's used to.

by bmeteor on Aug 8, 2006 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is off topic
But at mlbtraderumors.com they said that it was reportedly the Astros that had the rights for a trade with A. Jones.
Chicks dig the bunt out.

by akcubfan on Aug 7, 2006 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al is there a Lee conntection?
No not Bruce Lee, but D Lee's father?  I know he scouted the Pacfifc and played a huge role in finding H. Choi. I wonder alond if there is any pull from there?

Sadly though your reason seems sound the Cubs will watch while others make some "out-of-the-box" moves.

I'd be cool if the Cubs fronted alot of money now  won the posting and flipped him to another team for more cash or a top player or two...A Rod?

Just thinking.

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Aug 7, 2006 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't acquire........
Daisuke Matsuzaka to trade him. He's too good and a hell of alot more valuable than A-Rod.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we talking Tribune
You could "acquire" him and get more then what you bid in money and top line players of a known quantity.  No to low risk.  
You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Aug 7, 2006 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that bad an idea...
... if the Cubs outbid the Yankees and got his rights, you can bet Brian Cashman would be on the phone with Jim Hendry proposing a trade.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derrek Lee's father...
... Leon Lee, was in fact the Cubs' Pacific Rim coordinator for years, but mostly concentrated on Korea.

He left the organization and got a manager's job in the Mets' organization and then got into legal trouble when he was accused of exposing himself a couple of years ago.

I'm not sure how that case wound up, but I think Leon Lee is out of baseball now.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Livian Hernandez
is now member of the Arizona Diamondbacks.  Say what you will about Livian, but the guy has a rubber arm and provides a team with tons of quality starts.  Is the National League that pathetic that the D'Backs still consider themselves in the playoff race?  Answer is yes.  

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh???
Why shouldn't a team that is 2 games out of the division lead and 1 game out of the WC lead consider themselves in the race?

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Boras as.....
Matsuzaka's agent. If Hendry was a smart GM he should have had a long talk with Boras last week when he was letting him search for a trade that suited Maddux, he should have struck a deal with Boras saying that in exchange for letting Boras do Hendry's job.....the Cubs get first crack at Matsuzaka.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We can only hope...
... that something like this happened.

Of course, it's not up to Boras -- if Matsuzaka is posted, whoever bids highest gets his rights (sealed bid).

Then Boras steps in and negotiates a contract for him.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
I wouldn't go getting your hopes up on Matsuzaka.  At best, the Cubs will be distinct long shots in any derby for his services.  People need to rid the names Barry Zito, Carlos Lee and Matsuzaka from their heads and concentrate instead on what Jim Hendry and the Tribune Company plausibly will focus on.  

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.....
that's how it goes if he's posted. if he's not then he becomes a FA I'm pretty sure the posting system doesn't apply.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

question
i don't understand the posting system. say he gets posted by seibu, and we give them 20 or 30 million. All that money goes to the team, and none to the pitcher, right?
Then we have to sign him to a deal. However, he will only have one team to negotiate with. So what is his bargaining power to get a big contract? one's he's been posted and money changed hands, isn't he then under the team's control, much like a drafted player would be? would he get the minimum until he is arbitration eligible, or is it different for foreign players.

also, fwiw, if those radar numbers are accurate, he was throwing his fastball in the 90-92 range in the 79-83 range. seemed like he had nice movement on his curve but not much movement on the fastball. sounds like rich hill to me, but who knows. maybe he has a couple more pitches that i missed.

by tomas21 on Aug 7, 2006 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

also
hey Al, do you think for your next vineline blurb you could mention this pitcher and how you were all talking about how great it would be if the cubs got him. i'm being serious.
they probably were a little specific in what you could/couldn't include, but maybe its worth a shot./

by tomas21 on Aug 7, 2006 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.
The column is supposed to be about "life in the bleachers".

Well, we DID talk about him out there. I'll think about it.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Japanese pitchers
including Matsuzaka aren't on a 5 day rotation schedule. Usually it's 7 or 8 days between starts. I just wonder how that would translate into our 5 day starting rotation.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 7, 2006 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hideo Nomo...
... did pretty well with it for a few years.

Remember Matsuzaka is 26, and also throws more pitches in general than most American pitchers per start. I think he could adjust.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young and throws a lot of pitches?!
That settles it then.  The Cubs will break the bank to get this guy.  When he's sitting with Prior on the DL the next year, we'll be bemoaning the fact that Hendry is an idiot.
They played hard. They did their best. Move on. Their whole life isn't out in that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession.

by Jeff Pico on Aug 7, 2006 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But can he
throw a towel? Until the Cubs can confirm his ability to throw a white towel this is all just crazy speculation.

by jimhickman on Aug 7, 2006 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs have a scout in Japan
During the rain delay in the D-Backs series, Len & Bob did a couple interviews. One of those was with "The special assistant to the GM" (can't remember his name)for the Cubs. At the end of the inteview he discussed that he was leaving for Japan the following day to scout players for 2 weeks. There was no mention of D.Matsuzaka,but that doesn't mean he wasn't going be scouted by the Cubs,either.

by VSK on Aug 7, 2006 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did they......
mention any players??

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think
that was gary hughes. if gary hughes is speaking on behalf of the cubs, we have no shot at this guy. Gary Hughes is a walking cliche of a baseball scout.

by tomas21 on Aug 7, 2006 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The scouts that are designated.......
to go on "special assignment" which I assume going to Japan would qualify as are: Gene Handley, Steve Hinton and Bob Lofrano according to the Cubs 2nd half program. There actually was no Gary Hughes but there is a Sam Hughes, but he's not a scout.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 7, 2006 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The money
they will save on Wood, no Maddux money, Boy you would hope they would go deep to get this guy, I don't care what league he is pitching in, the guy can throw. I like the idea of a petition.

Rich Hill, I don't think so, I like him to a healthy Bartolo Colon. And I would take that.

Wood for closer in 07

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 7, 2006 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What they save on Maddux & Wood
will go to Z, Lee, Howry, Dempster, Eyre, Jones, and possibly Ramirez in raises that could be around $15 million in all.  Remember Lee alone goes from $8 million this year to $13 million next.  Zambrano will get a big raise too.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee. Its Mulder, Durham & Cameron instead.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 7, 2006 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
...and don't forget Juan Pierre is going to see a handsome spike in compensation too.  

by Mike63 on Aug 7, 2006 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would it not be possible that..
..these raises were already taken into consideration?

Let me put it this way....Mr. Smith owns a business and he has 10 employees making $50k and he needs a new "CEO".  He wants the best that he can find.  Mr. Smith offers Mr. Jones a 6 year contract but only has $1MM budgeted for payroll for the year.  Mr. Jones wants $600k per year.  Mr. Smith signs Mr. Jones at a contract for 3 years with annual salaries of $500k for the 1st year and $600k and $700k for successive years.  Now would that mean that Mr. Smith plans on letting two employees go during year two and two employees go during year three, thus reducing his staff to six employees?

IMO these payraises were already taken into consideration when the contracts were signed.  Otherwise it would tell me that management wasn't looking at adding to the lineup in successive years to field a successful team.

That is my perspective.

"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 8, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

walks
The man has no walks in whatever amount of innings he has pitched. Is that a stat error or are walks hard to come by???

by luv4cubs2 on Aug 7, 2006 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he has issued some walks.
Check out his stat line here. They've gone down per nine innings each year, too.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Windup
Would his windup be legal in the US? It seems to me like he stops his motion toward home plate, and that would be a balk.

by cronoj on Aug 7, 2006 5:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They said this about Hideo Nomo, too...
.. but the windup was approved. I imagine Matsuzaka's would, too.

Incidentally, you can't balk when you're in a windup -- because that presumes no one is on base.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You
most cetainly can balk when you are in a windup.  Any illegal motion towards the plate constitutes a balk.

In a game earlier this year, Giants pitcher Matt Cain was called for a balk when he dropped the ball before going into his windup.

And pitchers pitch from the windup all the time with men on base.  They do it with a man at third, with men at 2nd and 3rd and with the bases loaded.

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a lot
of the japanese players have pauses in their windup and don't get called for balks. i think they should, personally, as it is intentionally throwing off the batters and baserunners, but they don't get called for it. it sure throws me off whenever i play mb 2k6.

note that i'm not disagreeing with you jazzman,as i know you like to disagree. i'm responding to the original point.

by tomas21 on Aug 7, 2006 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rule 8.01 states
regarding windup delivery: "From this position any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without interruption or alteration"

Most umpires interpret this to say that a hesitation or pause in the windup is okay as long as the pitcher does it on a fairly consitent basis and so long as the intent is not to "catch the batter off-guard" as stated in the rule book.  Luis Tiant and others pushed the envelope as far as not having a consistent delivery, but the umpires have determined that if a hurky-jerky motion or hesitation is part of a pitcher's normal repertoire, than it will be allowed.

My point was only that it is indeed possible to balk from a windup delivery, although it is somewhat unusual.

by jazzman56 on Aug 7, 2006 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right.
And, as I said, this was the case with Hideo Nomo, whose motion was approved by the umpires. I suspect Matsuzaka's would be as well.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curious as to why
the Japanese team names are in English and not written in kanji script characters?

by JFCubFan on Aug 7, 2006 8:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitching on the weekend?
Anyone know who's scheduled to pitch this weekend?  With the off day, the ESPN schedule wasn't very useful.  I'll be at the games Saturday and Sunday, and unfortunately it looks like I miss Z.

by CoCubsFan on Aug 7, 2006 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It ought to be...
... Hill on Friday, Mateo on Saturday, and Marmol on Sunday. Z will throw next Monday in Houston.

by Al on Aug 7, 2006 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I was hoping to see Maddux and Z, but I guess I'll get to see the kids pitch.

Thanks Al!

by CoCubsFan on Aug 7, 2006 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just a tip...
don't hold your breath for that duo

by slink on Aug 8, 2006 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should have mentioned...
that I was hoping to see them when I bought the tickets a month ago.

by CoCubsFan on Aug 8, 2006 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Is Steve Ontiveros still playing in Japan? Maybe he's available.

by danimal15 on Aug 7, 2006 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ontiveros
I just did a little research and found out that Steve Ontiveros was released mid-season by the 1980 Cubs. He was hitting .208 at the time. Imagine how bad you had to be to be released by that team. That was one of the worst Cub teams of all time.

by danimal15 on Aug 7, 2006 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Boras' Tigers Client's
TOOK TWO YEARS "Jazzman".

If you remember, Maggs was hurt virtually ALL of '05, and Pudge's offensive numbers were bad - .276 avg, 14 HR and a .290 OBP - worse than Izturis!

So,they weren't the best "value" for the Tigers - and the team sucked.

This year is a different story of course!

Watching the Tigers play the Cubs it was easy to see just how far the Cubs are from playing to a high level as a team.

Don't believe the Latest TEASE scam by the sCubs playing well 90 days after the season started. I've seen this movie before.

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Aug 7, 2006 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's my worthless opinion on him the pitcher
I've watched Matsuzaka at least 10 times over the last two years, back when Seibu broadcasted all of their home games, a couple this season and two of the WBC. No, there's not a pitch he throws that's a gyro or something like that.

He throws a fourseam fastball in the 90-94 MPH range, topping out at 100 at the Athens Olympics, the fastest I've seen him throw on a TV gun was 159 KPH a year ago, that's 98.8 MPH. To compliment it he has a forkball, curveball, slider and an occasional two seam fastball. The first three are above average offerings. His slider runs in 80-82 and his best and most used offspeed pitch. It's a very good slider. His curveball is thrown in the high 70s with very good movement. It's a very, very good pitch that he doesn't use often, unless it's to a lefty because his slider is much more efficient against righties. His forkball is like a change up with good downward action. He throws it in the low 70s, and it's actually a very good fourth pitch. He doesn't use it more than three or four times a start because he really doesn't need it and it's a popular pitch in Japan. I could seem him using it a lot and having a lot of success with it because it's not used with regularity in the states. He really made some of the Mexican and Cuban hitters look bad with it in the WBC. I remember a couple of the American players in the 2004 Japan/US All Star series hating that pitch in particular. His two seam is a very new pitch. With the balls that they use in Japan, it's very hard to get movement on it using the seams. They're really low seams, one of the reasons the forkball has become the staple of the league. It's also the reason a lot of Japanese pitchers lost consistency on the breaking pitches in the WBC but it actually gave them better movement on their pitches. Matsuzaka started working on his two seam last off season for the purpose of throwing it in the WBC and America when he comes here. It's a work in progress and I haven't seen him enough this season to really comment on it. Early reports were that he used it to baffle Japanese hitters in the preseason. He apparently used it a lot in the opening round of the WBC, but I can't verify that.

His slider, fastball and curve combination probably reminded you of Mark Prior, which he does a lot in his pitching. He's not a trickster, he'll throw 150 pitches a game with 100 of them being fourseam fastballs. He lives off his  fastball and has impeccable command on it (vintage Prior). His command on his offspeed pitches are not as crisp, but rate as solid across the board. He's also a gamer who loves to compete and go balls out. He's had his share of injuries in the past, but he's fine now and the only concern there could be the high pith counts he has sustained in Japan, although the concerns IMO are overblown, he usually pitches with five days of rest each time out, not four.

For what it's worth on his drop in velocity:

Against Mexico his fastball ranged from 87-94 sitting 91-93, with over 80 percent of them at 91-93, actual breakdown I ran in March:

Fastball: 51 overall
87 MPH: 2 (3.9%)
88 MPH: 0 (0.0%)
89 MPH: 2 (3.9%)
90 MPH: 4 (7.8%)
91 MPH: 10 (19.6%)
92 MPH: 16 (31.4%)
93 MPH: 15 (29.4%)
94 MPH: 2 (3.9%)
Average: 91.7 MPH
Balls: 17 (33%)
Strikes: 34 (67%)
Swings at strikes: 26 (76%)
Misses: 8 (31%)
Foul: 9 (35%)
In play: 9 (35%)

Against Cuba he sat 92-96 with most of his pitches sitting at 94 or higher, actual breakdown:
Fastballs: 37
92 MPH: 6 (16.2%)
93 MPH: 9 (24.3%)
94 MPH: 17 (45.8%)
95 MPH: 3 (8.1%)
96 MPH: 2 (5.4%)
Average: 93.6 MPH
Strikes: 27 (73.0%)
Balls: 10 (27.0%)
Swings at Strikes: 22 (81.5%)
Misses: 8 (36.4%)
Foul: 8 (36.4%)
In Play: 6 (27.3%)

Shades of Wrigley

by Ienpw on Aug 7, 2006 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

150 pitches, huh?
And no injury problems? What a revelation. I imagine if he comes here some over-zealous manager will keep him on a strict pitch count of 110 or less, and he'll come down with arm problems and need Tommy John surgery within two years.

by danimal15 on Aug 7, 2006 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops
his pitch counts make Dusty Baker look like he babies his pitchers. He's been pretty durable in his career, only missing significant time once with this being his 8th season.
Shades of Wrigley

by Ienpw on Aug 7, 2006 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably throws that much...
Because in Japanese culture if you come out before 120 pitches you have to commit suicide.

by theprognosticator on Aug 8, 2006 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stuff
Digging through the archives at japanesebaseballdaily, which I read daily:

4/2 Matsuzaka hit 95 in a CG
7/26 Matsuzaka hit 88 on a HBP (not that that means much on how hard he threw most of the time)
7/24, DNP but they siad this "Daisuke Matsuzaka, perhaps as preparation for going to MLB this offseason, is going to use a two seam fastball during the second half. He has only thrown it in the past during international competitions." I wouldnt doubt that the 88 was a two seam...
7/15 Matsuzaka hit 94 in a four hitter
7/8 "Matsuzaka was clocked at 92mph, but only used 134 pitches to finish things, a commendable pitch count."

That made me laugh.

Missed time with a sore groin

6/24 No MPH, but he hurt pulled his right groin
6/16 struck out 12 in a CG three hitter, no MPH report.
6/9 Matsuzaka homered, pitched around 92, topped out at 95.
6/2 No velocity reported
5/26 Matsuzaka struck out 14, hit 93 although it doesnt say topped out at.
 It also says this: "Arizona's outstanding international scout Jim Marshall was at this one evaluating Matsuzaka. Brandon Webb and Matsuzaka in the same rotation? Wouldn't THAT be something? "

5/19 Matsuzaka was tagged for seven runs, and was clocked at 94, though dunno if that was a max.
5/12 Matsuzaka was clocked at 93 for whatever that means
5/5 He was clocked at 92, though he was taken out early the previous start with elbow discomfort
4/28 taken out in the 5th
4/21 "Matsuzaka was clocked as high as 96 MPH, despite 41 degreee game time weather."
4/14 "Daisuke Matsuzaka was only clocked at 92 MPH"
4/7 "He was clocked at 95 MPH"
3/30 "Matsuzaka's specific complaints about his outing were that the Japanese ball felt lighter than the MLB ball he had been using during the WBC and so he couldn't get a good feel for his pitches." No MPH stuff

Shades of Wrigley

by Ienpw on Aug 7, 2006 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and to finish the drop in MPH
i emailed a guy i talk to from time to time. he follows japanese baseball alot and he responded:

From what I've got:

Matsuzaka's fastball velocities (km/h)

Year   Avg.   Max (10+ pitches)

2004   147    152
2005   147    153
2006   146    152

In other words ... seems like it's pretty much all the
same.

Shades of Wrigley

by Ienpw on Aug 8, 2006 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will never happen
It's funny that you would suggest this as a meaningful course for the Cubs to take, while poo-pooing any fan-based effort to express disgust with the Cubs' front office.
What does not kill you makes you stronger.

by Pa on Aug 9, 2006 12:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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