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Why Defense Matters

Here are the primary reasons why the Cubs lost 7-5 to the Pirates this afternoon.

Third inning; after the first two hitters made easy (well, at least easy after a dropped third strike resulted in a throw-out at first) outs, the Pirates' Chris Duffy beat out an infield hit.

Then he took off to steal second, and Henry Blanco threw him out.

Well, he WOULD have thrown him out if Mr. Looks-Like-A-Major-Leaguer-But-Really-Isn't Freddie Bynum didn't drop the throw.

This would have ended the inning - or maybe it would have ended earlier if Sean Marshall hadn't messed up trying to cover first base on Duffy's hit in the first place; instead, Jon and I looked at the pitch count and Marshall had to throw twelve more pitches and allowed a run after a Xavier Nady single.

In the next inning, after a walk and another single, Aramis Ramirez fielded a ground ball at third and started a 5-4-3 double play.

Or, at least he would have if Freddie ("I'm Wearing A Major League Uniform, Isn't It Cool?") Bynum hadn't dropped the throw. They credited the out at 2nd. Had the DP been completed, Humberto Cota's fly ball to center would have ended the inning, and maybe Marshall (who threw twenty-five more pitches after that, and 69 for his four innings) might have been able to stay in the game rather than allow five runs in four innings and get lifted for Carlos Marmol.

That's what good defense can do for you -- the Cubs probably should have won this game 5-1 or 5-2, instead of heading into the ninth inning in a tie game. It was exciting to have Marmol and Scott Moore both hit their first major league homers in the same game (security brought out team-signed balls to exchange for the actual HR balls with the bleacherites who caught them; Jon and I said as one, "Those balls aren't worth very much, unless there's a Greg Maddux signature on them!"), but ultimately, it was meaningless after Duffy (who had ZERO home runs this year coming into the game, and only one in nearly 400 career AB) homered a second time off Scott Eyre in the ninth -- this after Dusty Baker left Eyre in specifically to throw to him. Then Ryan Dempster put the reverse exclamation point on this game, coming in and allowing another home run to Nady. (In fact, both Baker and Jim Tracy made several mindless, useless mid-inning pitching changes, taking a game which had been fast-paced and making it last just under three hours at 2:58.)

See, this is the sort of thing Maddux was talking about the other day when he said he appreciated the defense behind him. The Cubs have been a putridly bad defensive team this year; we've talked about the bad outfield defense (no throwing arms, or inaccurate ones), the bad infield defense (every time Cedeno picks up the ball when there's a runner on third, you just KNOW he's going to throw it away), and there is absolutely NO way Bynum and Cedeno should ever, EVER appear in the same game as a DP combination.

I have written about this several times before. That is the worst DP combination in the history of this franchise, and although at first -- given the 130-year history of the Cubs -- that seems like a harsh judgment, they are apparently willing to prove me right every time they pick up a baseball.

As I said, it should have been a nice, pick-me-up victory -- Marmol not only homered, but threw two good innings; Moore also doubled for his first major league hit, and the Cub pitching staff combined for eleven strikouts, not that strikeouts should be the be-all and end-all of getting outs.

And that ruined an otherwise gorgeous early-fall afternoon on which I made a reacquaintance with another guy named Mike (he's from Indiana, and used to sit with me often back in the 90's), who happened to show up today. I had forgotten about how much we enjoyed analyzing situations back in the days when the bleachers were nearly as empty as they were today; he told me he'd just returned from one of Jay Buckley's baseball bus tours, which I have never taken but I understand they're quite well-run and you get to see a lot of baseball in different cities (Mike said he saw that Tigers-Yankees game which was won by Craig Monroe's HR, and the game in Boston where Alex Rios batted a ball over the fence for a HR). He said he's going to join us more often next year.

At which time we hope massive changes will have been made. The announced crowd of 27,105 again seemed about half that many in the ballpark, a few more in the bleachers today due to the nice weather. I'd suspect that next week, when the Dodgers -- and likely Maddux next Thursday -- will be the opponent, the attendance may bounce up a bit. The Dodgers have always been a popular opponent; they're in a playoff race and in addition to Maddux, they have several other popular ex-Cubs on their club. If the weather is decent, I'd expect larger crowds, particularly if Maddux does indeed wind up throwing on Thursday. This is no indicator for 2007's attendance patterns; it's simply a reflection on the OTHER team's popularity.

Finally, I want to say a word today about someone I've known for several years, longtime bleacher season ticket holder George Wiseman. Earlier this year he was diagnosed with mouth cancer, and has undergone several painful surgeries and rounds of chemotherapy and radiation. Today, he came back to the bleachers for the first time since all this began, and though he can't talk (his mouth is still quite swollen), he carries around a notepad, writes notes, and I had a nice conversation with him. Though he said (well, wrote) that things are rough at times, he's intending to make it through, and come back next year to see better things. Wish he'd have seen a win today. And so, in thinking about complaining again about this team's management and play, think about George, and know that adversity comes in many forms. We're all pulling for him to come through.

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Oh Jeez
Why bother.  Just print the standings.  That will say it all.

By the way, thanks for all the good writing.  It does make this mess of a season better.  

by NO100 on Sep 7, 2006 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks from me, too
Al:

Your writing is excellent, the tone is right-on, and your passion, knowledge and common sense come through perfectly. It's a great site, and I really appreciate your commitment.

Best Regards,
exnorthsider

by ExNorthsider on Sep 7, 2006 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs played today?
Oh yeah, I forgot to care.  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Sep 7, 2006 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Cedeno, Blanco, Bynum &
Dumpster

Obvious loss when those names all show up in the box score...

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 7, 2006 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

What don't you like about Blanco?
I find him to be more than a capable backup catcher.  Backup catchers should play every once in a while and when the starter goes down, he has to fill in for a while.

I just don't think that he should be lumped in with the rest of those guys who are failing at the job they were given to do.    

by NO100 on Sep 7, 2006 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

that he's not barrett.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 7, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true
but I still don't think he belongs in the same category as Cedeno, Bynum, and Dempster.

by NO100 on Sep 7, 2006 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed ...
There are more than a few out there who would argue that Barrett's defense might cause his name to be added to Bynum and Cedeno's list of anti-greatness.  Don't get ME wrong--I love Michael and pray every day to the ikons to deliver him from his current, painful existence.

The Cedeno-Bynum curse does seem to be wearing off onto other team mates; Blanco, although sharp with the bat today, seemed sluggish behind the plate.  Maybe it's all those pitchers.

Hoka hey!

"The good news is, the Cubs have reached rock bottom. The bad news is, they've started to dig." Bob V., May 2006, WGN Baseball Blog ...

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 7, 2006 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blanco is an asset
...as a backup.  But if you're someone who's going to gush over a no-stick/all-glove guy like Izturis, you may as well do the same for Blanco.  Actually, you should probably be even more willing to gush over Blanco, seeing as catcher is a more important defensive position than SS.

by Jhoratio on Sep 8, 2006 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blanco......
is decent with the bat during the mini 4-5 week stretches he's had the last 2 seasons. He's really not as bad of a hitter as some people think.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Sep 8, 2006 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.
He is now hitting .266/.306/.437. I haven't looked, but I would imagine that compares favorably to MOST backup catchers in the majors.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO...
... every game like today, where the Cubs play like garbage and the front office sees tens of thousands of empty seats is a good thing. No, this is not a spending issue. We are seeingg an organization without a rudder. The manager has phoned it in. There is no overriding philosophy dictating how this team has been put together. There is not much good will left remaining from the fans.

If there is any thought within the front office that this team does not need new leadership and a total reevaluation, hopefully MacPhail, McDonaugh and the folks at Tribune Tower look upon Wrigley Field and see that things need to change.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 7, 2006 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

have to be getting killed in
beer sales.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 7, 2006 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is there
to say? We suck!! Twentytwo more games until the next step in Cubs baseball begins.
Football season is here. GO HAWKEYES!!!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 7, 2006 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

classic Hendry ball, too
Les Walrond?  And what the hell is Novoa doing hanging out on the roster ALL YEAR LONG?

Those are Hendry decisions, not Dusty.

The Cubs haven't won and will never win under Tribune ownership.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

by Pa on Sep 8, 2006 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

When
Theriot and Murton sit it is typical Dusty. Bynum in the lineup is just clueless, and Cedeno has been horrid for the last 3 months.

100 losses is in the bag.

Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 7, 2006 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

100
its the new magic number

by flyball on Sep 7, 2006 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the rate this club is losing,
15 losses over the last 18 games, they certainly have the potential to lose MORE than 100.

But it is not the quantity of losses that disturbs me, it is the quality, or rather lack of quality play and the depressing ways this group of players (I hestitate to call them a team) find to lose that bugs the living piss out of me.

We all know Baker is history, now all we can hope for is that Hendry's contract gets bought out and he gets the boot too for these so-called MLB players that he put in Cubs uniforms.

by JFCubFan on Sep 7, 2006 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

100
I kind of hope they lose 100. It would put the proper exclamation point on this horrid season. The most I've ever seen them lose is 98 (in 1980).

by danimal15 on Sep 8, 2006 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too
McPhail and Hendry need to be shamed into doing something.  Apparently the shock value of this season STILL hasn't been enough to get their attention.  Maybe 100 losses will be the straw that broke the camel's back.  

I just wish Andy would come down from his Ivory Tower, fire Hendry, and take over permanently as GM.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 8, 2006 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 1981 team...
... would have lost well over 100 if not for the strike. That was the worst team I had ever seen, until this one.

You say they need to be shamed into doing something, and I agree. What would you suggest doing NOW, with three weeks remaining in the season? At this point, wait the three more weeks, and THEN if nothing happens, you'll be justified in your criticism.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

1981
That team had the worst infield (aside from all-star Bill Buckner at first) that ever played at Wrigley. Some of the has beens, will be's and never were's who roamed the infield for the Cubs that year included Ty Waller, Steve Dillard, Ken Reitz, Joe Strain, Mike Tyson (not the boxer), Pat Tabler, Ivan DeJesus (who somehow managed to get 400 at-bats with a .194 average), Scott Fletcher and Hector Cruz. Tim Blackwell, Barry Foote and a young Jody Davis handled catching.

by danimal15 on Sep 8, 2006 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Tyson
Now if this season, we had Mike Tyson, the boxer playing, it would have been a lot more interesting.  We wouldn't have won more, but it would have been more exciting.
"When things are at their blackest, I say to myself, 'Cheer up, things could be worse.' And sure enough, they get worse." - Robert Asprin

by Jesse Guam on Sep 8, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

1981 was a very bad year
But...a couple of my favorite all time Cubs were on that team - Jody Davis & Reuschel.  Hopefully history won't repeat itself because after Amalfitano got the boot after that season, the Lee Elia era started and we had to wait one more year for Jim Frey to take the team to the NL championship in '84.  

If history does repeat itself, the next manager after Baker will be a wild-eyed firebrand like Elia before we get a solid one like Frey for our championship campaign in 2010.

by JFCubFan on Sep 8, 2006 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Elia
They don't make managers like him anymore. The players today, with their millions of bucks and their agents, wouldn't put up with a firebrand giving them hell. Look at how unsuccessful Larry Bowa has been as a manager.

"Right downtown, and PRINT IT!"

by danimal15 on Sep 8, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

1981 was a very, very bad year
but not as bad as 2006 where expectations were high.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 8, 2006 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

McFail needs to be shamed
but not Hendry.  McFail is making money hands over fist for the Tribune company.  While I don't know what the numbers are, I would guess that fiscally he's been the most successful VP that the Cubs have had.  The on-field perfomance is only a small part of what he will get judged by.  All the other stuff he is succeeding beyond expectations.

Hendry, on the other hand, is different.  This is his livelihood.  While we may bitch and complain and truly care about this team, I don't think that the quality of life for anyone on this list is dependent on the Cubs winning or losing.  Hendry's is.  If the team can't win, his earning potential is affected, maybe not this year or for the next 2, but what about his next job?  If anyone thinks that Hendry is not motivated to win and to win now, you're wallowing in self pity to try to make it look more dismal than it is.  

To paraphrase a famous quote, "You're never as good or as bad as you think you are."  

by NO100 on Sep 8, 2006 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neifi
Is playing on ESPN2.  I bet Dusty is in his hotel room in Atlanta wondering why he isn't batting second.

by 08Cubs on Sep 7, 2006 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmm
I bet he's rubbing one off.  

by John916 on Sep 7, 2006 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as empty seats
I couldn't agree more. I just hope they know better than to think it's because school's started.

As far as the MacPhail's, McDonaugh's and Trib people of the world go, I kind of hope the latter send MacPhail packing.

So much for the law of averages.

by JDay on Sep 7, 2006 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Boom Boom
what a waste of space on the roster. They could have brought somebody else up and sent Boom Boom and Cedeno to AAA. Or better yet Devil's Island.

I'm not sure why Dusty took Marmol out after he looked so good for 2 innings, except that Dusty isn't happy until his mismanaged the game into a loss.

This is a truly pitiful season one of the worst I can remember.

President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Sep 7, 2006 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Dusty
Why did he take Marmol out after 2 good innings? A fine question, and one that gets to the heart of Dusty's poor managing. He seldom lets a reliever throw more than one or two innings - he likes to make as many pitching changes as possible - just to slow down the game, I assume. I will not miss him next year.

by danimal15 on Sep 8, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also needs to change pitchers
So he can pull his strategic double-switches....
Forget about '07. Let's wait until 2008!

by secdelahc on Sep 8, 2006 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually
in this case, I support Dusty.  Marmol to me seems like a 2 inning pitcher right now.  

by rlpete on Sep 8, 2006 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
but he was swinging a better bat than Boom Boom so he should have left him in for his offense.
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Sep 8, 2006 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

McPhail and Hendry
aren't going anywhere.  We all know this.  Dusty is the one who will be whacked.  Larry Rothschild will probably stay, and continue his streak of not "coaching up" a single Cub pitching prospect.  Everybody will be ga-ga over the new manager, probably for about a season and a half.  Then it will be same old story.  Unless of course Jim Hendry has brilliant plan for acquiring two stud pitchers, a quality second baseman, and a top flight run producing outfielder for a bag of magic beans.  Because that is about all he has to trade this offseason.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 7, 2006 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Just think how bad the Cubs would be
if Hendry didn't pull off the robberies for Lee, ARam, Barrett & Murton.. It's not like McFail or the Trib would ever provide the money to get an impact hitter.  I mean why get Beltran when we have Patterson!!!!!  

Amazingly, this could be a lot worse, cause some geniuses thought Choi, Bobby Hill, and Brendon Harris were really good, and that Brian Giles would save us w/ his 12 home runs for a cool $12-15 million a year...

Pat Burrell's the biggest trade we can reasonably hope for. :(

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 7, 2006 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pat Burrell???
No, he's not the biggest trade possibility the Cubs have.  It's not that bad.  

For one, I don't think that Prior's trade value is nearly as low as many on this site think.  I don't care that most GM's think he's washed up.  There still are 29 other GM's out there and all it takes for a trade market to appear for Prior  is 2 of those guys to think that a) Prior is a very talented pitcher and b) to blame the Cubs org for his injuries.  That last sentence is not a stretch.  

Second, thier young pitching, for the most part, has increased their value.  Marmol, Marshall, and Hill being at the top of the lsit.  Ryu getting pounded early in the season had no effect.  Guzman loooked very sharp at times.  The Cubs can't hold on to all these guys and will have to trade them at some point.

Third, Jones and Barrett value went up over the season because of thier play.

It looks bleak right now, I know, but it's not that bad.  Don't forget that the Cubs will have the biggest single addition to thier team in all of baseball for 2007.  The Cubs will have Derrick Lee for a full season.  I'm not trying to make Dusty excuses here, but this team would not be sniffing the worst record in all of baseball if he weren't injured.    

by NO100 on Sep 8, 2006 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

who's possible then?
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know
Tejada maybe
Andrew Jones maybe
Carl Crawford maybe
Manny Ramirez maybe

All I know for sure is that there will be players that come available 2 months from now that we wouldn't have even considered.  Also, the Cubs this year, as opposed to last year, have chips of value that they can bargain with.  

Pat Burrell will not be the best available or the best the Cubs can hope for.  

by NO100 on Sep 8, 2006 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

So let me get this straight
The Cubs have little starting pitching, and you're willing to trade the young pitching prospects?  Who is going to compete for jobs in the rotation?  Donuts Rusch?  Fact is none of the Cub pitching prospects (Hill, Marmol, Guzman, etc.) are in the same venacular as a Francisco Liriano or even a Brendan McCarthy.  At least for right now, there trade value is limited.  And with all due respect, the Cubs can't trade Mark Prior right now even if they wanted to.  He has minimal value until he demonstrates he is healthy and can actually pitch.  Names like Miguel Tejada, Andruw Jones and Carl Crawford are pipe dreams.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 8, 2006 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...
... Hill has raised his trade value tremendously in the last month.

Marmol, Marshall, Mateo, Ryu all have value; of course, they don't have as much as a Liriano or McCarthy. None of them would have any interest or bring anything of real value by themselves. Package them WITH someone, then, maybe you've got something.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes trade some prospects
They can't all play.  Keep 2 in the rotation for next year, decide who you can keep in AAA and trade the others.  Sign a free agent pitcher.  It doesn't have to be Zito or Schmidt, but there still are other decent mid-tier guys.  That leaves one rotation spot left for Prior or the guy the Cubs can get in a trade.  

I've read your posts and I know that you are very negative on the Cubs.  Just because Cubs pitchers aren't Liriano or McCarthy (though I would say that Hill is very close to McCarthy) doesn't mean they don't have value.  As Al wrote, packaging them can bring back something good.

The thing is that you or me don't know what anyone can get for these guys because we don't know the extenuating circumstances.  There very well may be 2 GM's out of 29 that have Prior in high regard.  You don't know that.  I don't know that.  

3 years ago we would have never thought that we could get Lee for Choi.  Last year, we wouldn't have thought Prior for Tejada.  Things will happen that we don't know right now.  It's not that bleak.  

by NO100 on Sep 8, 2006 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm invincible
I'd stand in front of a bus, but all that would happen is the bus would get a big dent on its frontside.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 8, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but
the Cubs will have to stand in line behind organizations with better prospects and bigger ballzz.

It takes 2 to trade.  

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it takes 2 to trade
but there are 29 other dance partners.  One of them's going to be looking to get lucky.

by NO100 on Sep 8, 2006 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Giles
Would have at least 25 home runs if he played 81 games in Wrigly.  Petco is much more difficult to hit home runs in.

I'm still glad the Cubs didn't sign him.  The Padres had to because they gave up an All Star via trade to get him.

by Kornchex on Sep 8, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right
his power numbers suck on the road too.  
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And
On the road equates to 81 games at Wrigley how?

by Kornchex on Sep 8, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So let's see...
... Giles hit six home runs at Petco this year, and hit six home runs on the road.

Tell me how this equates to hitting 25 HR this year if he had Wrigley Field as his home park. Show your work.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems that nobody can ever admit
that they were wrong...There were people complaining about the Neifi! trade too.

by LT on Sep 8, 2006 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're saying he'll
triple his production @ Wrigley?? If the wind blew out every day @ 30 mph, and Giles gets back on the roids, maybe so!
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This has nothing to do with baseball...
but I would like to nominate Carlos Mencia, and his hackneyed show, as the most painfully unfunny thing I have ever seen. He makes Gallagher look like Richard Pryor.

by Thelonious on Sep 7, 2006 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Dear George,
I don't know you and I don't believe you know me.  I'm sorry to hear of your battle.  In spite of the outcome I hope you enjoyed the game today.  If just for you, may you enjoy better days ahead at Wrigley.

by DrCrawdad on Sep 7, 2006 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It's either Bynum
or Cedeno killing this team defensively.  It makes me want Walker back, cause at least he could hit...  I always thought Walker was way overrated by many, but Cedeno/Bynum should be playing Triple A ball.

Trading Walker & Maddux, along with Izturis' injury, may guarantee 100 losses.  The alternatives are just awful or not near ready.  

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 7, 2006 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

But Cedeno won't sit
Because according to Dusty "it wouldn't be fair to the pitchers". That's really what he said, not too long ago.

Bynum's glory days may be over though, if the dugout reaction shots of the Dude after Freddie's various F-ups yesterday are any indication.

by JohnM on Sep 8, 2006 1:53 AM CDT reply actions  

This spells out
and puts the period on Dusty's poor evaulation of talent. How in the world is Bynum on the field? Dusty just loves his "Toolsy" guys, ENOUGH, Baker can't leave soon enough.

Good luck to your friend George, puts this season in perspective.

Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 8, 2006 6:29 AM CDT reply actions  

A positive
With all the negatives from this game with regards to Cedeno and Bynum, let's not overlook Scott Moore's success.  

While Moore probably isn't ready yet, it is good for him to get a taste of success at the big league level.  It was especially good to see Moore show some power to left center, a good sign for the lefty power hitter.  

Hopefully the Cubs won't be foolish enough to see Moore's success and think Ramirez is expendable.  Moore probably needs another full season in the minors, and even then could play the corner outfield spots and the corner infield spots to get some at-bats, as opposed to being an everyday player right away.

Check out my Cubs Minor League System website: Top Cubs Prospects

by jonpyardi on Sep 8, 2006 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Empty seats ...
All I saw on WGN was a decent pan of the empty bleachers. You see empty box seats in the background during plate and pitcher shots, but no wide shot from the outfield. Then again, I barely watched the game!

Paul Sullivan has twice now written something similar what he wrote in the paper today: "There were several thousand no-shows again as Cubs fans continue to eat their tickets" twice this week. That is just bad reporting if there are really > 5,000 and more than 10,000 like Al suggests.

by t9mike on Sep 8, 2006 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

"Several thousand"...
... could mean just about anything.

Each of the last three games appeared to be attended by about half the announced tickets-sold count.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Burnitz' quote:
I enjoyed reading Burnitz' quote about the Cubs in the Tribune today, but there was a longer quote in the early edition yesterday where at the end he said "but they (Managers)get paid very well so they come out okay."  It's refreshing to hear a person from the professional baseball clique say it directly and succinctly instead of rushing to make up fantasy excuses for the manager to protect their guy...Managers are accountable, even when they put all of their efforts into blaming others...

[[[[[Manager Dusty Baker is taking most of the heat for the Cubs' downfall. Burnitz said it's just something that comes with the territory.

"Managers always take more heat than they deserve," Burnitz said. "That's how it works. On bad teams the manager is in trouble.

"In any sport, in any real-world thing, everything at the highest level involves pressure and certain positions of accountability. Managers are accountable, and they get fired when they don't do good."]]]]]
 

by DudeVf1 on Sep 8, 2006 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I assume..
bynum and cedeno don't dig one another.  if they did, they'd be a better double play combo.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

It is flat out embarassing
to have a player like Freddie Bynum on your major league roster.  Especially when you are a big market team.  Bynum should be playing semi-pro ball and not even be in professional baseball, regardless of whether it is in the minors.  Baseball has become greatly watered down if this is the best a team like the Cubs can do.  

Meanwhile, Ronny Cedeno is just plain awful, albeit with physical talent.  No way can he be back next year, not even as a utility infielder given his wretched defense.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 8, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

numbers
Not a scientific study, and theoretically challenged because of the lefty/righty pitcher split, but...

Bynam has played in 55 games, of which 13 were Cubs' wins (.286)

Theriot has played in 35 games of which, 13 were Cubs' wins (.371)

by ExNorthsider on Sep 8, 2006 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's just a
waiting game now to see what will be done in the off season. If Dusty isn't gone in the first week after the season ends it will drive me crazy.

How in the world can Dusty think that Bynum deserves playing time? The guy is a joke. It's really sad that the young players who show promise aren't being played every day. I don't get it and would really love to hear an explanation from management why they aren't being played.

George, I wish you the best and hope when you go to the games next year you get to see a much improved Cubs team.

Football season is here. GO HAWKEYES!!!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 8, 2006 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

100 losses--unlikely
Can't imagine the cubs reaching this horrific total...think they'll be in 95-96 range.

If they do reach that embarrassing no. it would almost assure Dusty's dismissal.

Reading Paul Sullivan recently it seems a likely outcome anyway. But will be interesting how it's spun. It's not really a "firing'' since it will simply be a contract is not renewed--they'll be letting him go, after paying 16 M/4.

It's parting of ways, management dec. but not a firing. Firing woulda been before contrat expiration.

by writerinwrigley on Sep 8, 2006 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

It is exactly that...
... what they are doing is allowing both sides to "save face", by simply not renewing his contract.

About 100 losses: the Cubs would have to go 6-16 to lose 100. I grant you, that is possible, though just when this team looks its worst, they wind up on a mini-winning streak of 3 or 4 games.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

100
Like I said, I hope they do get to 100. Maybe that would finally wake up the people in the Tribune Tower who have sleep-walked through the last two years that they need to put pressure on Hendry to field a good team.

by danimal15 on Sep 8, 2006 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think...
... 100 is some "magic number" that will do that. I have to think they already know this team needs major surgery. If they lose 99, or 98, it won't change the fact that this is the worst Cub team in many, many years.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

The magic
number was 98. 98 years without winning a championship, now it will be 99. You'd think by now there would have been major surgery done. Of course looking at who's running the show they should be sued for malpractice.
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Sep 8, 2006 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the dead cat Pounce?
Al, didn't you refer to a dead cat pounce  earlier in the season saying the Cubs would play well for a stretch before they collapse and die.  I think that is what happened.  They played decent after the all-star break and now are collapsing into death.

by mgfabc on Sep 8, 2006 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

The dead-cat bounce...
... was pretty small, but yes, it was there.

And now the cat is WAY dead.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

What would have saved this season?
Uh. . . the ghost of Mickey Mantle? Spaceship full of alien super-players? Mr. Burns?

I have no clue. I think we were doomed no matter what.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Oops
Wrong thread. Sorry!
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol
damn billy goat!
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well
you know my feelings on the goat. There's been way too much damn goat appeasement from this organization. Bring the goat to the park, get it a box seat, honor the goat before the game. Blah blah blah. What has it gotten us? Nothing!

I say we open 2007 by roasting the goat on a spit in center field.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pig
It's a good idea, but I think I'm more in favor of roasting a pig in center field.  But that's just because I prefer pork (cause I'm a good Jewish boy).  Of course, I've never had roast goat.  It might be good.  Anything roasted over a spit would probably be good.
"When things are at their blackest, I say to myself, 'Cheer up, things could be worse.' And sure enough, they get worse." - Robert Asprin

by Jesse Guam on Sep 8, 2006 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say
we should eat it.

At first, I thought you were calling me a pig. I was about to throw down. Right here. Right now.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm stupid
But not that stupid.

And what's the point of roasting an animal on a spit, if we're not going to eat it?  Seems like a waste to me.

"When things are at their blackest, I say to myself, 'Cheer up, things could be worse.' And sure enough, they get worse." - Robert Asprin

by Jesse Guam on Sep 8, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

This post is inappropriate.
You have been warned. I am watching you.

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2006 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No thanks.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about
being doomed. A lot of different variables, Lee hurt, Wood hurt, Prior hurt, players not stepping up: Ramirez early, Walker and to many others to count. And Hendry's assemble of bench and pitching depth was in adequate.

Dusty managed horribly and the players did not step up when Lee got hurt.

Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 8, 2006 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

What?
"And Hendry's assemble of bench and pitching depth was in adequate."

Are you high? If our pitching depth was adequate, we wouldn't have spent the entires season trolling AAA when Wood and Prior (predictably) went down.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

The people who always say "Play the kids!" certainly got their wish this year.

It's just too bad most of the "kids" suck.  :)

by salparadise23 on Sep 8, 2006 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

and they tend to be the one's
bitching and moaning the loudest about how bad this team is.  the irony.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 8, 2006 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not ironic at all
Since our team had terrible veterans playing bad baseball, who wouldn't want to look at what the youngsters could do. Sure, most will never become full time big leaguers but some will.

I already know what the Neifis of the world can't do. At least we are relatively certain that Theriot is vastly superior to him. And Marshall and Marmol have a possible future better than Rusch. And Murton wasn't a fluke. And Hill could become a quality starter.

Perhaps some would prefer to see veterans continue to play poorly. I'd much rather see what our prospects might do for us in the future.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Sep 8, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed
Football season is here. GO HAWKEYES!!!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 8, 2006 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.
Correct AL, Inadequate. At work typed to fast.  And I am not high.  LOL
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 8, 2006 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Whew
Okay, then I take it all back.

Carry on.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 8, 2006 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

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