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Why There Should Be A College Football Playoff, Reason 12,654


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SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- I had about twelve different opening lines rolling around in my head last night for this post.

Darn those Boise State and Oklahoma football players for rewriting the script about 15 times in the last quarter and overtime!

In what Mark & I agreed was probably the greatest football game either of us had ever seen (on TV or in person), and for Mark was, according to him, the most exciting sporting event he'd ever attended in person, Boise State blew a 28-10 lead to trail 35-28 with a minute to go, tied it up on an improbable "hook-and-ladder" play (I'd never even heard of that one before), and then had to do another razzle-dazzle play on a two-point conversion attempt in overtime to defeat Oklahoma 43-42 in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl.

The game was actually somewhat of a yawner until the fourth quarter; the Oklahoma Sooners and their vaunted running back Adrian Peterson, who is no relation to the Bears' Adrian Peterson -- what is it about certain sports names that seem to repeat each other? I swear, there must be a dozen Ja(y)son Williams floating around pro sports -- played pretty flat, while the Boise State Broncos were doing their best imitation of the Bears' defense, scoring one touchdown after a fumble recovery deep in Sooners territory and another on a 28-yard interception return by Marty Tadman.

The half-and-half stadium crowd -- we were in the end zone, so in sort of a "mixed" area, with one side being all-crimson Oklahoma and the other being the garish orange of Boise State -- was fairly quiet most of the first three quarters; -- chants of "Boomer! Sooner!" (What does that mean, anyway?) and "Boise! State!" were about the only thing punctuating the stop-and-go offenses. That, and TV timeouts that seemed long enough for Adrian Peterson to break his collarbone again and heal it.

But when Boise State's QB Jared Zabransky did his best Rex Grossman imitation and put up a poorly-aimed pass that was intercepted by the Sooners' Marcus Walker for a touchdown that put Oklahoma in the lead, the Oklahoma fans (OK, we were rooting for Boise State -- as Cubs fans, how could we not love the underdog?) made the stadium literally shake. Or, at least half of it shake, as the orange-clad side sat in stunned silence.

Until the 50-yard trick play that resulted in the tying touchdown.

And until Peterson's 25-yard run on the first play of overtime put Oklahoma ahead again.

And until the Statue of Liberty play on the two-point conversion attempt ended the game.

Not to mention the marriage proposal (accepted) given by Boise State RB Ian Johnson to his girlfriend, right on the field after the game.

Exciting? You bet.

Now think about what people would be saying about this game if it had been, say, a national semifinal playoff game. It would be legendary.

And Boise State is 13-0. Granted, their quality of competition may not be what Oklahoma's, or Ohio State's, is, but they beat everyone they played. And if Florida upsets Ohio State, Boise State would be the only undefeated Division I-A team. So why wouldn't they have a claim on the national title?

A playoff -- probably among 8 teams -- is the best answer. Maybe this game will begin serious discussion.

About the experience -- we couldn't have had a better time. Despite dire warnings of traffic gridlock, we had no trouble getting in OR out of the parking lot. The stadium does look from the outside like a giant spaceship that's landed in the middle of the Arizona desert. Given its oval shape and the lack of other nearby landmarks, credit to the designers for putting huge numbers and letters near the gates so you can give yourself bearings when exiting the stadium. Inside, one nice touch on the aisles is to indicate which seat numbers are on which end of the aisle -- since we had aisle seats, we could go right away to the right aisle instead of having to pile over a dozen people.

The concourses are nothing special, though well-lit; they reminded me a bit of the Skydome (now Rogers Centre) in Toronto. In trying to walk all the way around, we found a bit of a bottleneck at the opposite end zone from our seats (the end that opens up to allow the field to roll out), but otherwise the concourses are wide with no trouble finding anything. The food is a bit pricey but pretty good -- I had a foot-long hotdog with chili & cheese for $6.75 -- and all the stadium employees seemed cheerful and helpful. There were no incidents in the stands as far as I could see and everyone seemed very much into the game.

Before the game I was pleasantly surprised to hear the announcement that the Colgate Thirteen, an a cappella singing group from my alma mater, was to sing "God Bless America". The Thirteen, named in honor of the 13 men who founded Colgate, have been singing across the country for over 60 years. And as noted above, apart from the many interminable TV timeouts, where the defensive players would stand around on the field, and the officials would wait hands on hips for the signal from the sideline, the game was tremendously exciting, well worth it, and that's coming from someone (me) who's just a casual college football fan.

The local papers here in the Phoenix area were comparing Boise State's season to what George Mason did in last year's NCAA basketball tournament. They have a point, but how much better it'd be if Boise State, say, would have put themselves in a national title game by winning such an amazing, exciting, exhilarating, compelling game as they did last night.

I-A Football playoffs, NCAA. Now. It's time.

I'll have today's top 100 post up this afternoon.

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Wow, Wow, and Wow
Best game I've ever seen...
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jan 2, 2007 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

2nd best game I've seen
the Northwestern-Michigan game from a few years ago.  I think it was 51-50 when Northwestern rallied with less than a minute.  Did you see the game I am referrin to?  Zach Kustok was phenomenal.

It was a better game from start to finish, in my opinion.  

by socalbob on Jan 3, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember that game.
It was on November 4, 2000. NU won 54-51.

by Al Yellon on Jan 3, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I...
...was at that game.  By far the greatest game I've ever seen live, particularly because:
A) it was my senior year at NU,
B) it helped us win a share of the Big 10 Title,
C) it featured an absolute onslaught all game long of offense,
D) went from devastation (Damien Anderson's dropped pass wide open in the end zone on 4th down that would have given NU the lead), to despair (all Michigan has to do is get a first down to win), to temporary depression (oh my God Anthony Thomas is breaking through the line for a sure touchdown), to hope (wait, he's swinging his arm back...), to elation (he fumbled! We have it!), to ecstacy (Sam Simmons post pattern touchdown!), to storming the field against my personal second most-hated team (Michigan follows narrowly behind Notre Dame).  Being there, dressed in purple wigs, a night game.....simply unbelievable.

Here's a youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNsztT9yzuI

by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I was there too
I am also a NU Grad.  I sat in the 2nd row behind Michigan's bench for that game.  I remember storming the field and the DPS security guards standing hand-in-hand as if to keep the crowd at bay.  I looked at one of the ladies and told her, "I'm going through.  So we can do this the hard way or easy way."  She dropped the hand of the male guard, smiled and said have a good time.  I'll never forget it.

We have a lot in common--I hate Notre Dame more than any school--ever.  They make me want to puke.

by socalbob on Jan 3, 2007 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I make it much simpler.
Notre Dame can lose every sporting event it plays from now till the end of time.

by Al Yellon on Jan 4, 2007 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

:-D
that made me laugh.  What the easiest way to clean up coffee off a lap top screen?

I do agree, FWIW.

by socalbob on Jan 4, 2007 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Sounds great
Wish I had watched it. I watched Wisconsin play Arkansas, which turned into a defensive grind in the second half. Exciting, but not like the game you saw.

The Bears look terrible right now. Looks like their 12-year streak without a playoff win is in no danger of being broken.

by danimal15 on Jan 2, 2007 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Unless...
... somehow the Giants win their game. I think the Bears could beat them.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

They can beat...
Seattle or Dallas as well.  Neither of those teams scare me in the slightest.  Both lost 3 of their last 4, games in which they needed to win to improve seeding and/or making the playoffs.

Both can beat the Bears, of course, if Grossman has one of his crap games.  But provided Grossman is even mediocre, the Bears can win.

Philly and New Orleans concern me, but neither are exactly powerhouses.

by MikeJ on Jan 2, 2007 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Great Game
I was in total disbelief as how that game ended.  As far as the ol' hook and ladder play, that was made famous back in 1981 when Miama Dolphins did it against the San Diego Chargers in a playoff game. (that is probably the greatest game I have ever seen).  San Diego ended up winning that game thanks to a tight end named Winslow.  To bad Cleavands Winslow didnt get the heart of his dad.
First Boston, then the White Sox, its now the Cubs turn.

by indytaz on Jan 2, 2007 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Begrudgingly...
...I have to agree that a playoff would be nice.

But what would happen to all the other bowls? I mean, I'm a Northwestern fan - we're never going to be playing for a national title in a playoff, but I'd still love to go to some bowl games.

Any discussion of a playoff has to begin with ending conference title games (designed to fill the pockets of conferences, but one game too many if we're going to add three potential games to some team's schedule) and basically a requirement that no team play more than 12 (or maybe even 11?) games a year, not counting bowls/playoffs.

Until then, keep the bowls as they are....who cares about having 1 national champion, when in a year like this, two teams (OSU and Boise State) and their fans could celebrate national titles, of a sort....I don't need one team to win it all to be happy.

And as a test, who was the national champion in college football in 1997? Do you remember?

Exactly. (P.S. Michigan and Nebraska split the title....10 years later, does anyone care?)

by Chadnudj on Jan 2, 2007 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

Good points...
... and I have answers to all of them!

First of all, one of the ways a playoff could be staged is to use the existing bowl structure. If you have eight teams, four of the existing bowl games could be part of it for the first round, two others for the semifinals, then rotate the championship site, much as is done now with the BCS.

If you want 16 teams in a playoff, then more of the existing bowl games could be used. For the rest of the existing bowls, they're a nice "consolation prize" for the teams that didn't make the playoff.

You're right about the conference championship games being eliminated if you have a playoff.

And sure, maybe no one cares about who was national champion 10 years ago. But if there were a playoff, maybe more WOULD care, and maybe more would remember, too.

Finally -- as far as Northwestern is concerned, I'd think that the first time they went to the Rose Bowl back in 1996, weren't they ranked in the top 5 going into the game? They'd have been part of a playoff that year for sure.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Good points...
...but I have some problems here:

1) Using the existing bowl structure for the "playoffs" - first, since I'm the type of guy that likes to give schools that perform well the reward of a trip to a bowl (even if they are not one of the top 8-16 teams in the country), I don't like the idea of getting rid of those slots.  (I would, though, like to see a rule enacted requiring teams to have a record better than 6-6, and maybe a couple fewer bowls overall).  Second, extending it like this might make the season go until the Super Bowl, which won't work when up against the NFL playoffs.  Third and perhaps most importantly is the issue of travel - fans of the team (particularly students) can make it to one bowl game in a distant city, but it's asking a lot to make it to potentially 3 cities.

My solution, I guess, would be to require all college football teams to complete their season by Thanksgiving.  The 8 best teams would be chosen and seeded, with the highest seeds getting home games.  The next week, the first round is played, leaving us with 4 teams that won (the other four teams that lost could then affiliate with normal bowls).  The final four would be reseeded into 2 BCS bowl games (say the Fiesta/Orange/Sugar) to both be played on January 1st.  The winners of those games would then travel to the final site (the Rose Bowl, cause face it, it's the best) for the National Title game, to be played around the 10th or 11th (middle of the week, and time enough for fans/students to road trip anywhere)

  1. I've said this before and I'll say it again - if you think picking the 2 best teams to play in a bowl is tough, try picking the 8 best teams for a playoff.  Can you imagine the sniping from teams 9-12 at being left out? Or, this year, when Notre Dame would have probably made it despite being wildly overrated?
  2. Yes, Northwestern would have been in the playoffs that year.  And while I hope it could happen again, I doubt we'll ever see something like that again (although I have HUGE faith in Pat Fitzgerald to make this team into a juggernaut, and become NU's version of Joe Paterno)

by Chadnudj on Jan 2, 2007 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

As an Auburn fan
you know I vote in favor of a playoff. Unless you have a game like last night, the bowls are boring except for the title game. They make a playoff work in Div IAA and II and III, why not Div I? That game last night was one of the best and I was glad I stayed up and watched it.

by LT on Jan 2, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right...
... that teams 9-12 would be sniping. But at least there would be SOME structure. It's the same sort of thing when teams get left out of the NCAA basketball tournament that think they should be there. The selection process would never be 100% perfect, but at least you would have a champion legitimately decided on the field every year.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Why there will never be a tournament
There is a very simple reason why a playoff system tournament won't work for college football.

Money.

The current bowl system is all about money, exactly the same way that the March Madness Tournament is also all about money.

The problem with the idea of converting the current bowl system over to a playoff is that the bowl games would lose money.

Current bowl games count on the participating teams traveling large numbers of fans, with those fans spending large amounts of cash during their stay.

Let's say that I am a fan of "Team A", and my team  gets selected as the eighth seed in the 2010 NCAA Football tournament. I have saved up, but I only have enough to attend a single game (plane fare, hotel, food, etc.). Suddenly I have a choice to make. Do I go to the first round game? Or do I stay home and hope that maybe my team will make it to the championship game?

Meanwhile, the bowl games are suddenly faced with the prospects of having to struggle to sell tickets. Instead of a virtually guaranteed sell out, suddenly they have to market their event. These "guaranteed money makers" suddenly aren't so much a guarantee.

The way that the 1AA, 2 and 3 playoffs work is that the higher seed gets to host. The games are virtually guaranteed to be sellouts because they are all home games. There is a built in crowd for every event. Even if the other team doesn't travel well, the event will make money.

The only way the current bowl system will change is if the outcry for a playoff becomes so loud that people decide that they no longer want to spend the money to attend the events. But as it is, the only real complaints about the lack of a playoff come from the media and those teams that are on the outside looking in.

Throw Jacque Jones down the well, so the Cubs will be free...

by Ross on Jan 2, 2007 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ...
..."The current bowl system is all about money".......that is exactly why there will be a playoff picture in the near future.

It will not interfere with the current system that is in place.  In fact it will give locations such as the Orange Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl and the Rose Bowl another opportunity to make even more money after the bowl season.

It is my belief that not only will the NCAA figure out a way to make a playoff system, but these bowl locations will also find a way to tack on additional yearly revenue by hosting these games after they have already hosted their annual bowl games.  

Money being the factor here is exactly why there will be a playoff in the next few years.  Think of not only the extra games at these premier locations, but also consider the advertising dollars as well as the extra money going to the universities involved in this playoff.

To say that the money that is brought in for the bowls is the reason why there would never be a playoff, is to completely deny the greed of these enterprises that host these events to begin with.

As far as ticket sales.... I am sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous.  Let's just say that Michigan has 1 million fans in the United States that want to attend there bowl game (and can afford the trip).....now they just tripled their odds.  Do you honestly think that there are not lines of people that wanted to go to that bowl game but couldn't get tickets???

Once again on the issue of ticket sales....I have tried to purchase bowl tickets in the past......very difficult.  Much like season tickets to a pro sports team, do you honestly think that these bowl venues would have a difficult time selling out?  Trust me, there are many people waiting in the wings to purchase those tickets.

The bottom line is that from a financial aspect, a playoff system would bring much more revenue to both the colleges, the networks and the communities of the bowl locations.  To use that as a reason to not have a playoff doesn't make sense to me.  It would benefit everyone escept for the student athlete.

Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Jan 3, 2007 2:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Well,
all I have to say is.......GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!

UZI

Sometimes, you just need a hug. - Ty Cobb

by Ozgreeder on Jan 2, 2007 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Indeed
The bigger joke of the BCS bowl season is that ND is in a BCS game. I don't know how many times they have to have their butts handed to them. This is a team that has not won a bowl game since 1993, a stretch where more than 87 Div I teams have won bowl games. Many of those bowl losses have been blow-outs.

Perhaps Notre Dame just isn't all that good of a team.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 2, 2007 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Very True
they are invited because of ratings power and attendance power due to thier following.  It's a shame because they really aren't that good.

by socalbob on Jan 3, 2007 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately,
This game will bring zero serious discussion about playoffs. Too much $$ that would be left on the table for the powers that be (Read: Sponsors and college presidents).

I've talked to college coaches in the know, and we won't be seeing a playoff for a while. I think the only thing that would ramp up the process is if four or more teams finished undefeated; then BCS officials would have no choice but to reconsider.

The good news is my alma mater, Appalachian State, is the true champion out of the I-AA playoffs, two years in a row!

I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Jan 2, 2007 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

A few comments
First off, the three to five week layoff...if not more is of concern and should be dealt with. Michigan simply was not the same team yesterday that they were all season. Teams come out rusty and often take three quarters to really put things back together. IMO a playoff system would fix this problem, having the eight or 16 best teams playing throughout December. It just bothers me that its almost as if teams are starting anew for their bowl game.

My Wisconsin fandom will come out here, but they should have had the chance to play for the national championship in some way. No, they should not have been 1 or 2 in the BCS, however teams get better over the course of the season and their one loss in their first Big Ten game at Ann Arbor ended their title hopes. They are a significantly better team then they were in week 4 of the season. Who knows if Wisconsin, Boise State, and Rutgers are on the same level of OSU and Florida, but for teams that reach this level of talent every decade or two, or sometimes once or twice a century, they should have a chance to win the championship.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 2, 2007 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

While I agree...
..with you on the whole playoff system and playing games through December (there is definitely too long of a layoff, especially for Big Ten teams)....they set these kids up to take their finals in December.  When they go to the Bowl games they don't have to worry about their studies at all.  Even though as fans we want to see these great games and a playoff, we still have to remember that these kids are college athletes.  The college part means that studies must come first.   After all if an athlete doesn't keep his grades up he wouldn't even be eligible to play.
Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Jan 2, 2007 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Hear, hear....
I think it is really easy for fans to forget that these kids are students first. Football is not just there for the fans' enjoyment, it is part of the learning experience in college. Unfortunately, that mindset has mostly disappeared at the DI level.
Throw Jacque Jones down the well, so the Cubs will be free...

by Ross on Jan 2, 2007 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree
Just pointing out the impact of such a layoff and perhaps some considerations. USC clearly was the better team yesterday and made mince meat out of not only the Mich. secondary but also penitrated the Mich. O-line at will for much of the game. That being said, I still have no qualms standing firm in my belief that, five weeks or so ago when the regular season ended and bowls were announced, Michigan was the second best team in the country.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 2, 2007 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I completely agree...
...there is way too much of a layoff from the perspective of level of play.  I just think that we need to remember the reason for that.  I played college basketball and with all of the time spent in class, on the practice court (field) and in the weight room it doesn't leave much time for studies.  These players take this time to catch up on their studies and prepare for finals while still continuing to practice.  Since it is college football we need to accept the fact that there must be a layoff for finals.

I definitely think that the Big Ten screws themselves on this layoff though as they usually finish a couple of weeks ahead of the other major conferences.

Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Jan 2, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Highlights
Since I stupidly went to bed early last night, I missed the ending of the game.  But for all of you out there who did the same, or just didn't watch, foxsports.com has highlights of the game.  The end of game, Statue of Liberty play is executed to absolute perfection.
PAGAN!

by Jesse Guam on Jan 2, 2007 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

Our seats...
... were in the end zone right behind where all the overtime action was, so we could see that play set up right in front of us. It was beautiful.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Unbelievably jealous
Here I am, in my room, no sound in front my computer monitor (thank you TV card), watching that game making sure I didn't wake the rest of the house up since they all had work the next day. (Winter Break...Booya) My eyes watered up I was trying so hard not to yell. Amazing , amazing game. THough I will give top honors to that NU/Michigan game.
"Hello again, everybody. It's a bee-yooo-tiful day for baseball."- Harry Caray

by TkGoUWGB on Jan 4, 2007 1:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad
you and Mark got to see this game in person. I still love seeing the highlights yet today.
COTTS!!!

by sue369 on Jan 2, 2007 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

I haven't...
... actually seen any of the TV highlights yet! I'll have to check them out later today.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

For Al, and all others who missed it
Courtesy of the greatness that is YouTube. Very jealous you got to go, Al. Definitely one of the greatest games ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwDDB0dlRk&NR

I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Jan 2, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Give credit to the Big Guy on the O lIne.
I watched the replay several times and the guard who pulled  and helped pancake the only two Sooners with a chance to stop Anderson deserves big time kudos. Way to go, anonymous big man!
Throw Jacque Jones down the well, so the Cubs will be free...

by Ross on Jan 2, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Two linemen
Thanks for pointing that out.  Rewatching the play (which never gets old), you can see one lineman blocks his guy, then the guard (I think) pulls and the two of them completely seal off the left side, allowing Johnson to stroll in untouched.  

Just a great, great play all around.

PAGAN!

by Jesse Guam on Jan 2, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

If they show the interception...
...on the highlights, you will see that Zambrowski's pass wasn't a bad throw.  It was miscommunication with the receiver.  You could still say that it was a bad pass because of the situation and he should be protecting the ball, but it appeared that he and the receiver made two totally different reads.    
Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Jan 2, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Envy, envy, envy...
I am so glad you all were able to see that game in person. It was by far the best football finishes I've seen. I'm still a bit excited writing about it now (and I don't follow Oklahoma or Boise football).

Playoffs please. It works for 1-AA (or the NCAA Divionsion One Championship Subdivision) because I've seen the championships three years in a row. I'm pretty sure 1-A could figure it out.

At least we didn't sign Batista...

by stelmodad on Jan 2, 2007 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

there is no doubt
in my mind that boise st could play with florida. i doubt they can play with ohio st but hey they did look good last night. great game.

by tbizzle83 on Jan 2, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

Boomer sooner
Al- for your question about boomer! sooner!--

Sooners were 19th century homesteaders on the great plains who crossed into unincorporated federal land and settled there before the government officially opened the land for settlement.

I'm not sure what boomers are, but I think they were the ones who waited until the land was open before they settled.

by mikey @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 2, 2007 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks.
I did know the origin of the term "Sooner", but "Boomer! Sooner!" was explained to me in an email I received like this:
"Boomer! Sooner!" is a chant that has it origins going back to the great Oklahoma Land Rush of 1889.  When the Oklahoma territory was first opened up they had a race for squatters to settle on designated plots of land that started with a shotgun start.  It was called a land boom and the people who first joined the race were called Sooners, i.e., they got there "sooner" than anyone else.  Many of the Sooners raced in covered wagons which were known as Sooner Schooners, which is the covered wagon the goes around the field after Oklahoma scores a touchdown.  This 1889 land boom led to the call Boomer! Sooner! as a cheer to the racing Sooners.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

A "Boomer"
was someone who went out the night before the run and staked a claim before the official start of the run.  Cheaters really.  OU haters will love to hear that.  

by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction....
A "Sooner" was the cheater.  A "Boomer" were the ones who played by the rules.

by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

game and a question!!!
i live 10 miles from norman home of the sooners. so being a fan is an understatement. i cried like a baby after the game. that had to go down as one of the greatest games ive ever been a witness too. great job by those kids and coaching staff from boise st. i'll be the 1st to say they got screwed bad by everyone. they're undefeated and should have been in the nat'l championship. dont care about all the scientific stuff (strength of sched. blah blah blah). their coach was a class act. ok this may be none of my business but why would fly to arizona to see that game al? are u fan? just didtn understand why u were at that game.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 2, 2007 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Problem
with a playoff system is that Boise State wouldn't have gotten an invite unless the field was sixteen teams.  And then they'd have to cut back on the regular season to ten games like they do in 1-AA, because 16 games really is too long a season for college football.  (That's not really a bad idea, but the NCAA won't go for it because it would cost money for the 103 teams not in the playoffs.)

As it was, they had to add another bowl game to let Boise State in.  I guess they didn't have to, but they weren't going to cost one of the power schools a spot in a big bowl to let BSU in.

Again, I don't understand this "This is why we need a playoff" talk over this game.  This game doesn't happen if there is a playoff system.  Boise gets shut out or at best, gets a first round date with Ohio State.

There are lots of good arguments for a playoff system in college football, and you've listed some.  This game was a great argument for the bowl system, because this game was a product of the bowl system.

A playoff system takes the game away from the local fans too.  For a lot of people, they plan their winter vacation around their college team's bowl game.  With a playoff system, 99% of the fans are not going to be able to take a four week vacation and travel around the country going to four playoff games. (And if you have fewer than a 16 team field, again, BSU doesn't get invited.)

I neither support nor oppose a college football playoff.  I'm married to the daughter of two Boise State professors, and I'm OK with BSU not getting a shot at OSU.  (So are they in fact.)  I am convinced that the bowls that aren't part of the playoffs would go the way of the NIT tournament in basketball if there were a playoff.  Now maybe that's not a bad thing--is there really a need for the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl?  But honestly, I don't understand how the bowl system can produce a game as great as this one and that makes everyone bitch about how awful the bowls are.

A little song, a little dance. A little seltzer down your pants

by Josh Timmers on Jan 2, 2007 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

ESPN went to the organizers
of the Holiday Bowl and ASKED them if they could produce another game. They said, sure, why not?
(The idea was proposed after another bowl went under -- I think it was the one in San Jose?)

The Poinsettia Bowl SOLD 40K tickets, but only 29K were in the stands. (It was a very chilly night, by SD standards, I was going to pick up a ticket, but I don't live in CA to freeze at a football game.)

The game was profitable, says the staff of the Holiday Bowl.

Essentially, they are hoping that Navy can make this game....which would automatically give them 45k, as was the case in Game 1. (It's really The San Diego County Credit Union (Navy-better-be good-this-year) Poinsettia Bowl.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

If
having Navy as a participant was one of the goals of the organizers of the Poinsettia Bowl, they really missed the boat (pun intended).  

Navy signed an agreement a year ago to play in the Meineke Bowl in Charlotte, NC as long as they became bowl eligible during the 2006 season, so there was NO CHANCE they would play in SD.

It is thought that the agreement between MEINEKE and Navy will get extended for three years.

I think the Silicon Valley Bowl was the one that got de-certified.

The surest evidence that there are TOO MANY bowl games is the fact that two teams who played in bowl games this year have now fired their head coach (so far).

Arizona State and Minnesota.

by jazzman56 on Jan 2, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

More on Poinsettia
From the SD Union Tribune, Dec 20th:
(Holiday/Poinsettia Bowl director Bruce) Binkowski said he remains pleased with the bowl's format, which matches the No. 2 team from the Mountain West Conference against an at-large opponent.

"I don't see anything changing," he said. "We're very happy with the Mountain West Conference arrangement, and we still want to be able to keep our at-large (team), because that allows us the opportunity to get a Navy or an Army into our game on a semi-regular basis."
Navy, which won the inaugural Poinsettia Bowl with a 51-30 win over Colorado State, sold 20,000 tickets in advance of the game. This year's game had a pre-existing contract with Army, but the Cadets failed to win the six games necessary to qualify for the bid.

 

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent points
I think the reason we are hearing so much playoff talk after this game is that many (excepting those who run this site) had that agenda beforehand and were looking for any excuse to bring it up.  

by Ryan @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 2, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

so
how did you get tickets??

by tbizzle83 on Jan 2, 2007 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

Ebay.
Paid face value, too. And got a free parking pass. The whole deal was great.

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

It made me....
want to vommit.  I still can't believe it.  I won't be watching any sports until Spring Training.  I'm sick...just sick.  We've lost 3 BCS games now.  Just.....sick.  ...............sorry I'd had to clean off my keyboard.  Just sick.

by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

game/luggage
great game...but did you ever get your luggage?
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Jan 2, 2007 12:56 PM CST reply actions  

You sound like Thom Brennamen...
with that ridiculous (and scripted) speech that he gave about the need for a playoff.  Okay, okay, maybe not.  Nothing can be that bad...

But as a college football fanatic (hook 'em horns), I'm not against the idea of a playoff.  The key is finding a balance between maintaining the urgency of the season and still admitting enough of the worthy teams.  Take Ohio State-Michigan in the last game of the season...you may hate the current system, but at least it puts everything on the line in great, traditional games like this.  It would be a disaster (in my opinion) if both teams came into that fixture knowing they could lose and still make the playoffs.  This is why you'd want any such tournament to be exclusive enough to keep eligible teams worried about making it till the very end.

At the same time, an 8-team playoff would not be satisfactory because Boise St. would probably not have been selected to play.  The 'major' conferences would never agree to a playoff system without guarantees that they'd have a representative, essentially claiming 6 spots right there.  This year the remaining two spots would've probably gone to the likes of Mighigan, Notre Dame, or LSU.  Yes, Boise had the undefeated record, but I think most would agree that their schedule played a role in that.

So do we go with a 16 team format and let each of the 11 conferences have a representative (and use national rankings for seeding)?  That might be the only way, but I'd worry about admitting as many as 5 wild-cards.  Another way might be a 13 team format (11 conference winners and two wild-cards), with 3 teams earning a bye through their national ranking.

Anyway, there are clearly enough talking points that a playoff is likely a long ways off.  Just remember that at least the BCS gives us 1 v 2 (even if they're chosen subjectively).  There was a time when we weren't even guaranteed that.

by Ryan @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 2, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

Glad to hear
that his self-serving comments annoyed others.
One game is not the tipping point. The bowl system is much too ingrained into the system -- the so-called national championship game doesn't really mean that much to me.

College basketball had that empty slate to create the perfect system. (Hey, when I was a kid the NIT was everything!) The Bowl network, in extreme cases is decades upon decades old. That's tough to change.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ummm
how are the comments "self serving"?  Fox already has the contract for the BCS Championship game (and all other BCS games save the Rose Bowl).  The BCS contract runs though the 2010 bowl season, so if a playoff system were to be approved, it couldn't happen until the 2011 season at the earliest.  In reality, the current system benefits both Brennaman and his employer greatly.

by jazzman56 on Jan 2, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

TB's 'Voice Of God'
comments were just his opinion, and he has his right to that opinion. But to make the assumption that one exciting game is suddenly going to 'change the system' (because, "I, Thom Brenneman believe it to be necessary!")  those are very ego-centric comments. But, TB has always had a healthy opinion of himself, if you listen to his work closely.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 3, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm
pretty sure I have heard more of Thom Brennaman's work than anybody else on here.  I happen to enjoy his announcing and his play by play of the Fiesta Bowl was nothing short of brilliant.  His calls of the hook and lateral play, and the two point conversions, in particular, were spine tingling and I am delighted that I recorded the game to enjoy again in the future.

You don't like his style, and you are entitled to your opinion.  However, the purpose of my post was to point out the fallacy of your labeling his comments as "self serving".  I notice you did not address that in your post.

by jazzman56 on Jan 3, 2007 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Your Question, Al...
"...chants of "Boomer! Sooner!" (What does that mean, anyway?)"

It means they're a bunch of idiots.

GO HORNS!!

by Rynot @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 2, 2007 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

Idiots huh?
I guess we're just idiots with 40 conference championships and 7 National Titles.  How many do you have Bevo?  And don't tell me about SW conference championships.  Good job beating up on Rice and Houston for 40 years.  

by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
Rivalries are great, aren't they?

by Al Yellon on Jan 2, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh Snap!
You're right. Nothing evinces intelligence better than a successful football program. Florida State, Miami and Ohio State are just a few of the other schools who have produced some of our country's greatest mind.

By the way, how did Boomer Sooner do against Bevo this year?

by Rynot @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 2, 2007 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Boomer ?Sooner?
It's almost as pitiful as the weak-wristed Yell Leaders of A&M.

by theantigoat on Jan 2, 2007 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

First example of name calling.
The second one's comin' up!

I suggest you try to defend your position with thoughts, opinions, and dare I say -- facts.

It's a bit more creative.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 3, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

No playoff!
I don't like the idea of a playoff simply because this is why college football is great! Why screw up a good thing? I love that it's different. Don't forget, your dealing with 18-22 year old kids who are supposed to be cracking the books to get good grades. Yes, many are on scholarships based on their ability to catch or throw a football, and just get by on grades. Look at Navy this year, these guys know they aren't going to be in the draft come spring, and they played their hearts out and had a great season.

I wish we didn't have so many bowls, period. Any 6 win team gets looked at and they really shouldn't.

Yes, my boys in Maize and Blue got screwed when the the final voters gave Osbourne a going away present with a co-National Championship 10 years ago, but that's what gives us all something to talk/complain about.

IMHO, leave it as is. It's perfect.

BigJohnAZ

by BigJohnAZ on Jan 2, 2007 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

Ummmm, yeah
that was one of the best games i ever saw.  If sportscenter had a top 10 play list last nite, like 6 plays or so would have come from that game... And props to the coach of  Boise , Peterson, who had the guts to call that "hook and lateral" trick play on 4th and 18 and the "statue of liberty" trick play to win the game...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jan 2, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

oops
i said hook and lateral, but its hook and ladder.  dk why i said that...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jan 2, 2007 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

soonerbered???

What the hell does that mean, soonerbered..... you are a moron. By the good luck next year with, Rhett Booomar, I mean, A.D., wait, I mean....... who the flip are you guys gonna march out there next year again? Stoops is a shmuck, your Sooners are going to the toilet and there is nothing you can do about it. Hook em Horns.

by theantigoat on Jan 2, 2007 9:02 PM CST reply actions  

ummmm...????
who was the big 12 champion?????? last time i chaecked it wasnt the longhorns. did they get a bcs bowl????
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jan 2, 2007 10:15 PM CST reply actions  

ummmm...????
Your right, the current NATIONAL CHAMPS were'nt fortunate enough to win the Big 12 this season. We fully plan on putting the dreaded whoopin stick on anyone and everyone who dares to challenge MY Longhornsnext season. Just bring you cornmeal mouthed, cake eaters.

by theantigoat on Jan 2, 2007 10:34 PM CST reply actions  

Whoopin' stick?
Do you take that to the CEE-ment pond?
Please, let's get back to the major leagues....

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

I'm just
curious about this "whoopin' stick". Is it anything like opening a can of "whoop ass"? ;-)
COTTS!!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Whoopin' stick
You might know it as a 'switch', sue.

by Rynot @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 3, 2007 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice
Sure, SJMSD, take a shot at someone based on unfounded presumptions and then get all sanctimonious with talk of "sticking to baseball." I can do that too...

Whatever you say, you fish-taco-eating jerk. This is a Cubs site, remember?

by Rynot @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jan 3, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

"Unfounded presumptions?"
Huh? Chill out, there's no reason for name calling. I don't seem to have called anybody a negative name in my post. If I missed it, please point it out.

If you have concern with the sentence "get back to the major leagues" that was more for comedic effect. If you think it means anything else, that's your fault.

I have noticed that this is a Cubs, site, yes.
Thanks for authenticating that for me. Much appreciated.

You might want to try them. You might actually like them.

Now, if that place was next to this place,

Then we'd really have it all.

Oops! not talking baseball. I apologize for getting off topic.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 3, 2007 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The best college football game ever
 Was last years National Championship Game between Texas and USC. At least that is the best game I have ever watched.

by massey1984 on Jan 3, 2007 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

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