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A quick question on HoHoKam Park

I am considering going to HoHoKam Park over my spring break with my wife. Before I buy the tickets though I wanted to find out which side is the home teams dugout. That is, do the Cubs have their dugout on the 3rd base line or the 1st base line. I was thinking 3rd base line but am not sure.

Also this will be my first time attending a spring training game and am also welcoming any suggestions that anybody has or other tidbits of information. Also the game, incase you are wondering, is for the Padres game on March 17th.

Thank everybody for your help.

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The Cubs dugout...
... at Ho Ho Kam is on the 1st base side.

If you'd like more info, email me privately, or if others would like me to post some info, I will. You can also search the site, as I know I've posted some spring training info here before.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 3:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Spring Break Primer
Al, I wonder if we all couldn't come up with a really solid spring base fan guide for HoHoKam and the Cactus League and have it as a perminant link. These questions come up each year and we have a lot of info to share as many of us have been to the cactus league. Perhaps we could develop a really good resource.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 30, 2007 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We should do that.
We could start here. I know there's a diary posted a while back that had a lot of Wrigley Field/Chicago information; if everyone would post their Ho Ho Kam/Arizona info in THIS diary, I'll try to set up a place where I'd link BOTH of these diaries for future reference.

For my part, I'm not even sure where to begin about Arizona and Ho Ho Kam, since I've been there so many times. Ho Ho Kam, as you know, will have new concessions and new scoreboards this year, so anything I could post about it now will be outdated by March.

I will, to begin, commend all of you to this 2003 post on my old blog, which, although it's nearly four years old, is still a pretty good review of most of the Phoenix-area spring training parks.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Come early
walk around, take in the sights. The players walk from the hitting cages down the right field line and will often stop and sign autographs. Non game day pitchers usually spend more time doing this and it's pretty easy, just stand along the fence. Hang around the players entrance after the game too. I'll be at the game, you're welcome to join us in the left field grass.
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Jan 30, 2007 8:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

St. Patrick's Day....
...is always very popular. Online tickets indicate it's a sellout, but there are scalpers along the way to the park.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jan 30, 2007 8:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

WEAR SUNSCREEN!!!
I got fried at a Cubs-Giants game three years ago.  A hike up Camelback mountain in the morning and then sitting in the bleachers was not what my midwestern winter skin had in mind.  They didn't have sunscreen for sale at the Giants' stadium, so I went for a hat.  No visiting team gear, so I am now the proud owner of two items: a $26 unfitted, crappy Giants hat, and a tube of SPF 85 sunscreen bought the next day so I wouldn't burn anymore.  I didn't even know they made it that high, and it went on like Elmer's glue.

by TC Cubby on Jan 30, 2007 10:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

85?
I didn't know they had that, either. I usually use #48 on my pasty skin. Works great.

But he's right. Sunscreen is a necessity in Arizona in March. You may not think the sun is that intense, but it is, and you're also at about 1500 feet above sea level, even in the valley. Good advice.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What about practices?
I'm going to be in the Scottsdale area the week of Feb. 19th.  Are practices open to the public?  If so, what time is the best time to go?  What are the players like when they're not preparing for a game?

by bleedhawkeyegold on Jan 30, 2007 10:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, practices are open.
They take place at Fitch Park, which is about 1/2 mile south of Ho Ho Kam Park on the same street (Center St. in Mesa). Parking is free and so is admission. Players are sometimes more accessible there because there aren't usually that many people watching, and the atmosphere is more low-key.

If you go, please post a diary!

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Had a great time.
HoHoKam good:

Outfield Berm Area:  Sitting out in the sun, watching the planes overhead with a cold brew, some bikinis (even the first home game they were everywhere) and people watching was great.

Player access: First game at HoHoKam for me and Mrs. HHK, walked along the first base grandstand and looked into a door.  Kerry Wood in the weight room.  Niice.

Autographs, autographs:  Go early, get a Hancock.  Me, I just took pictures of people getting autographs - a great sight to see a 10-year old attached to Cub fandom forever just because Ryan Dempster signed his baseball.

Cub fans:  First game in 2005, outfield berm grass.  First inning.  Nomar hits a bomb just below the scoreboard in left field.  A group of sistas standing around BS'in and drinking.  Nomar's shot comes in, hits one of them on the thigh and bounced away several feet from her.  She didn't want to drop her Bud and to top it off, a pasty white guy in his 50's gives her the ball.  I cried.

HoHoKam bad:

Pro Shop:  Wow, it is that small.  I hope their renovations fix that.

Its packed:  It's so packed, I'm glad Cubs fans are so cool, because standing in line for everything means you have to talk to someone for at least a little bit.

Concessions:  Good thing this is fixed because it needs a bit more variety.

Carols Zambrano will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jan 30, 2007 11:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Warning track and 3rd base locker room exit
Players will run windsprints in pairs or three's in the mid to late innings when they are pulled from the game. If you hang out in the out field corners by the wall players will be happy to sign and chat for a minute. Pretty canual atmosphers.

Players who are done for the day can be seen leaving the locker area on the 3rd base side. There is about a 100 yard stretch from when the exit until they get to the players parking area on the 3rd base?outfield side.

You have to keep an eye out for them, but it is a great way to get a picture or an autograph.

Have a great time.

Good Guys Wear Blue

by Cubskingdom on Jan 30, 2007 11:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

A Quick Primer on Autographs
OK, I post this and I know its going to invite the stalkers. As I post this, I will also note that people need to understand that they are often at HoHoKam for a day or two, so it can seem like Player A is a total jackass for not stopping to sign autographs, even though he did four out of the previous five days... Some players do everything they can to avoid signing autographs (Jose Hernandez, Benito Santiago), others will sign for as long as they can as often as they can (Kevin Tapani, Terry Mulholland). Most players are somewhere in between. The Cubs, as far as I've seen, are very fan friendly when it comes to autographs and pictures.

Fitch Park
One would think that this is a great place to land autographs. Not necessarily. The Cubs are a huge attraction and it is not uncommon to go to Fitch Park, before the Cubs move down to HoHoKam for the games, and find several hundred Cub fans watching BP and other drills. Players rotate between the four fields, but usually do so without coming into contact with the fans. Fans tend to line the fences, which seperate the fans from the players, and at times you can toss a ball over the fence to a player if they're willing to sign. During practices, which are in the morning (usually end around noon), players practice and don't interact with fans much.

Your main opportunityto get autographs at Fitch Park is as practices are ending. You can remain inside the complex, work the fences and hope that players stop and sign. The other option is to head out to the parking lot and stand by the exit, where the players drive from. This is likely the best bet as there really is only one way out of the lot for players. Some will stop and sign, some won't. There are often dozens of people waiting for autographs, many of whom are the dregs who then go and sell everything on Ebay.

HoHoKam Park
My main tip? Get to the park early. Gates open two hours before the game and at that time, the crowd is pretty thin, however wait another hour and there are tons of fans. If you pull up to HoHoKam an hour before the game starts, it will take you 15-20 minutes to park and get into the stadium. Two hours before gametime, players are taking BP on the main field, doing stuff in the cage and on the back field. Visiting teams often take BP at their home stadium before coming over to HoHoKam. Before the game, the best spot to be is down the 1B line. Beyond the fence, just down the line is how players get between the main field and the back field/batting cages. The walkway that they use is shared with fans who are going out to the outfield berm. Security closes this off for fan access when they see players coming, however you can line the fence here and players often stop and sign. It depends on what they have to do. Before the game, players also usually work the 1B line stands and sign, or will sign near the Cubs dugout, but it really becomes a cluster f#@k down there with hordes of people.

Now especially during the early spring games, if you want autographs, you have to prioritize the game or signatures, because with starters out by the 4th or 5th inning, rarely is a starter still in the HoHoKam facility when the game ends. I'd prefer to see the youngsters get a few innings in, but if you'd rather get DLee or Aramis' autograph, you'll have to vacate your seat and head down near the Cubs clubhouse exit. One problem, however, there are about five ways for the Cub players to get to their cars.

  • The main exit is on the east side of the Cubs clubhouse and exits into one of the concession areas, right next to the RF grandstand bleacher seats. This area is free flowing for fans during the game, however after the game ends, a temporary fence is erected, but you can line this fence to try to get autographs...with a few hundred other folks.
  • A secondary exit is via the field. Players exit the dugout and walk out towards the back field. You cna try to catch players along the 1B line or down near the walkway to the berm (the area I described during BP.
  • Another exit is straight into the main parking lot. There is a clubhouse exit along the south side of the stadium, right near where the main stadium enterances are. This area is totally unincumbered by security but players don't tend to exit here that much.
  • There is also a clubhouse exit into the concourse.
Of course, you can also stand near the player parking lot exit, though I'm not sure how often players sign here. I reiterate, though, that there are lots of fans waiting after the game and the likelyhood of getting autographs is not that great.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 30, 2007 12:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Spring Training Experience
Although I have only been to one game at HoHoKam it really is a great experience.

A friend and I happened to be passing through Mesa on a long bicycling trip. We were rolling through just before game time and the Cubs were at home so we decided to swing up for the game.

We were planning on locking our bikes and gear up to the fence at the park and asked the security guard if it would be ok. Instead he told us to bring them inside and put them next to his station and he would watch them for us. Everyone else we encounted was just as nice.

The outfield berm, in my opinion may be the single best place on the planet to watch baseball. It wasnt too crowded the day we were there so we were able to stretch out and enjoy the game and the sunshine. Not to mention the fact that they import Old Style to help us feel right at home.

One small tip, having a couple of Old Style's and sitting in the sun is probably not the best idea when you still have 20 miles to ride once the game is done.

by FullyKraeusened on Jan 30, 2007 1:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Liquid
Al, perhaps you can post on what HoHoKam's policy is on bringing in drinks, but make sure you get a lot of liquid during games. While it may not seem quite as hot due to the lack of humidity, its plenty hot in the valley and if you don't have enough to drink during the game, you'll be totally wiped out by the end of the game. Add to this the fact that most drinks at HoHoKam are as much, if not more than at major league stadiums, so by the end of a game, its easy to spend $15-$20 on non-alcoholic beverages. If HoHoKam allows you to bring in drinks, I'd recommend stopping at one of the local 7Elevens or AM PM and grab two gatorades.

Drink plenty of non-alcoholic fluids and make sure you sunscreen, otherwise you'll find that the back of your neck is nice and burnt an hour after gametime.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 30, 2007 3:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

At Ho Ho Kam...
... as well as most of the Phoenix-area parks, you can bring in ONE SEALED BOTTLE OF WATER.

Yeah, that's a stupid rule, but they do enforce it. My suggestion would be to stop at a convenience store (there are a couple close to Ho Ho Kam, about 1/2 mile north of the park), buy a bottle for $1, and then refill it from the drinking fountain when you're done.

Otherwise you'll pay $3 for a bottle half the size.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HohoKam
Take your time leaving the game. If you drive, you will not be leaving the parking lot anytime soon. That is my only complaint. I used to go every year. I haven't gone in a couple of years now. Have fun!

I also reccomend climbing Squaw Peak. Good excersize and a great view.

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Jan 30, 2007 4:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Squaw Peak...
... has been renamed Piestewa Peak, in honor of a Native American US Army member (a woman, FWIW), who was killed in Iraq.

I've climbed it myself. Excellent idea.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al
I didn't know it was renamed. I would have totally missed it. I hope to get back there sometime soon.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Jan 30, 2007 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks everybody
As I read all the comments I started getting more excited about going. I've been to Scottsdale several times before and always wanted to stop by and see the Cubs play. This will finally be the year.

Anyhow, I'm particularly not interested in getting an autograph from the players as much as I am with getting some photos taken with them. My goal, if at all possible, would be to get a snapshot with Zambrano or Ramirez.

THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!

by amaru on Jan 30, 2007 4:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Drop me an email...
... before you go, I'll make sure we hook up on the 17th. I'll be on the LF lawn, in front of the scoreboard.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure thing
n/t
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!

by amaru on Jan 30, 2007 6:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I had another quick question
I was looking on stubhub for my tickets and the seats that I am planning to buy are in row A......

Is row A closer to the field than a later letter, say J. How does it work?

THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!

by amaru on Jan 30, 2007 7:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Row A would be the first row.
Look here for your section number.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 30, 2007 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of tips
  1. Thanks to the heat, the significant number of fans who only want to see the stars play and the nonexistent security, you can sit pretty much wherever you like after the starters are out of the game (3rd inning in the beginning of March; 5th or 6th in mid March).
  2. If you are an adult, you should not be asking other adults for their autographs.
  3. If you have time (or if the Cubs are playing there), I'd recommend a drive to Tucson.  Unbelievable scenery and significantly better food than the neverending sprawl that is Phoenix.

by 275 on Jan 30, 2007 11:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why no autographs for adults?
Does this mean I can't get autographs after I'm 18? Oh no! :)

I wish I was going to Spring Training.  It sounds like a good place for me. I love hot weather.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Jan 30, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

huh
Does this mean I can't get autographs after I'm 18? Oh no! :)

that certainly didn't stop you 2 saturdays ago.

TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Jan 30, 2007 11:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it didn't!
and it definitely will not stop me ever until I get sick of it.  I like getting autographs more for the experience than the actual autograph.

It's a lot more fun to stalk the players anyway...I'm sure Mr. Howry would agree. :)

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Jan 30, 2007 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt' be suprised
if you gave that man a complex that day, if he goes down the tubes this year we're going to know why.
TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Jan 30, 2007 11:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To reply to two of your points
I am an autograph collector. Why shouldn't I ask for one?

Also, yes, the scenery in Tucson is nice. But it is a long drive, two-plus hours. If you want to go to a game there, it will take up your entire day -- you'll need to leave at 9 am to get there with a reasonable amount of time, and by the time you get back, you'll be hitting the Phoenix-area rush hour traffic.

A nicer drive for scenery is to head north a couple of hours to the Sedona area.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 31, 2007 3:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thumbs up on Sedona
Take the pink Jeep tours.  Touristy?  Sure.  But the best scenery that I have ever seen in my life.  

by TC Cubby on Jan 31, 2007 7:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sedona is nice
But it lacks baseball and the quality food of Tucson.

As far as the autographs go, if you thinks it's neato to get signatures from people half your age, by all means continue.  I just don't get the purpose it serves other than symbolizing a kind of disturbing hero worship that gives professional athletes a level of status in society that they should not have.

by 275 on Jan 31, 2007 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, whatever.
Why are you a fan of professional baseball in the first place if you feel this way?
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 31, 2007 8:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I love the history of the game and while I have a decent autographed ball collection, I hope to one day have one that really captures the history of the game.

DmL

by dmlichte on Jan 31, 2007 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please tell me you're kidding
You are seriously asking why I am a fan of baseball because I think getting signatures from the men who play it professionally is a hobby that should end with puberty?

I can appreciate and even love the intricacies of the game, the talent required to play it, the joys of going to a stadium, and the bond that a shared appreciation of the game helps solidify between me and friends and family, and I can do all of that without putting the people who play it on some kind of pedestal whereby I want their signature.

by 275 on Jan 31, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.
However, that does not permit you to sit in judgment of those whose opinions differ from yours.

If you don't want to collect autographs, don't. Some adults enjoy it.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 31, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree on Sedona
Tons of trails to hike in the National Forest (the name escapes me right now) there. You don't have to do the touristy stuff.

If you have the time and are going north, Jerome is a touristy old mining town. Lots of arty stuff there that your wife might like if she's 30 or over.

As for autographs, I personally don't do them. I did just spend a week at Disney getting autographs for my 3 year old of adults dressed in character costumes. She loved it so it was very much worth it.

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Jan 31, 2007 4:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here...
... is a fun tour you can take: the Verde Canyon Railroad.

It's about halfway between Phoenix and Sedona; it's an old rail line where they have refurbished the cars, and you go through scenic canyons on about a four-hour ride.

I did this about four years ago. Well worth the time and money.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 31, 2007 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

autographs are fine for all
if we are paying for peoples lifestyle, the least they can do is say hello and sign an autograph. hell in prior and wood's case, they should buy us a hotdog and drink for the way they've been stealing haha.
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on Feb 1, 2007 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While in Scottsdale
If you are into architectural tours make sure you go and see Taliesin West. It is an actual architecture school, it was designed and ran by Frank Lloyd Wright.  
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Jan 31, 2007 2:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll second this.
I did that tour a couple of years ago. It lasts 90 minutes, and is easily accessible in Scottsdale. Well worth your time.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Jan 31, 2007 3:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

make sure you visit RAWHIDE!
it's a mock western town on the southside of phoenix, great entertainment for the whole family. no admission charge.
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on Feb 1, 2007 11:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

A New Chicago Pizza Restaurant
Hi Everyone, be sure to stop in at Vito & Nick's II Pizza that just opened in December '07. They are located at 3321 E. Queen Creek Road, Gilbert AZ. That puts them on the SE corner of Higley and Queen Creek. For any of you South-Siders, You may have enjoyed their pizza at the main location at 84th and Pulaski.

My wife and I have eaten at the new location MANY times and it's one of the best IMHO. The head chef is from Roseland and all meats, cheeses, and other ingredients are from Chicago. They also have a bar.

They are supposed to be doing some promotions at HoHoKam this year, please consider them for some real Chicago Pizza!

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jan 27, 2008 6:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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