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Tuesday Morning Miscellaneous

Yawn.

No baseball again today. If MLB wanted to concoct a scheme to destroy interest in the postseason, they couldn't have done better than the 2007 schedule, with all its off days.

Phil Rogers is bored too -- says the World Series will be "a letdown". His theory is that since the last four Series have been dull, that the 2007 version will be, as well. Not sure I follow this tortured logic.

Meanwhile, the Cubs' resodding project, near approval, may be finished as early as December. And Paul Sullivan further writes that whoever buys the Cubs and Wrigley Field should take some lessons from what the Red Sox have done with Fenway Park.

Blogger "Richie Rich" at Home Run Derby makes a persuasive case for the Reds possibly signing Barry Bonds, now that his old enabler Dusty Baker is managing there. Plausible, especially if the few AL teams where he'd fit (Seattle, Oakland, maybe Detroit) all pass. It's further corroborated by this Sabernomics blog post suggesting that the primary reason the Reds paid Baker $3.5 million per year was to send the "message" that they are serious about contending, and might want to make a splash in the free agent market.

And at long last, to no one's real surprise after the death of Blackhawks owner Bill Wirtz, Bill's son Rocky, now in charge, is already negotiating to put some home games on TV. Here's the official in-house memo sent to team employees from "W. Rockwell Wirtz" (his full name, and isn't "Rocky" better?) -- note: link opens .pdf file.

And, the Colorado Rockies are going to try again after yesterday's fiasco: Rox World Series tickets go on sale today at 1 pm CDT. Good luck to their computer servers!

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Much as it pains me...
 Sulivan is probably right. I took your advice, and did the Fenway trip last month. The park looks amazing, and I was surprised how much advertising was built in, but without taking away from the classic feel of the ballpark. It's very well done.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 23, 2007 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant Sullivan...
 although he probably doesn't really deserve the other L.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 23, 2007 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First!
Nice article by Sullivan today regarding the playing surface at Wrigley. Finally someone has answered the question of why its taking so long for them to begin....the sewers!!

Which makes total sense to any of us who live here in the city!

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Oct 23, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll be at Fenway in April
and I am very much looking forward to it. I am really not sure what you could do to Wrigley along the lines of what they have done with Fenway in regards to adding seats.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Oct 23, 2007 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Are Fewer Kids Interested In Baseball?
If MLB wanted to concoct a scheme to destroy interest in the postseason, they couldn't have done better than the 2007 schedule, with all its off days.

Oh, I feel as though they have really gone the whole nine yards - games on until past one a.m. Eastern, tons of commercials which drag games out forever, horrific, over-the-top, "Access Hollywood"-esque announcers...

Hell, I started rooting for the BoSox strictly based on the backlash to Manny Ramirez' completely sane remarks - "If we don't win, who cares? There is always next year."

It is a children's game played by grown men, fer Cripes' sakes! They throw the ball and catch the ball and hit the ball and run...The off-field drama (trumped up by the media) dilutes and tarnishes the actual drama and beauty of the game being played between the lines.

by DonGerard on Oct 23, 2007 10:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a different time today
back in the day, there wasn't a lot of stuff for boys to do except go out and play baseball in the summer.  Today, it's a little different story.

IMO, this is one of the reasons you have more latin players in the game today.  They have fewer options than American boys and they spend time playing ball. This helps them to develop the skills and the instincts needed to play baseball at a high level and the American kids just aren't dedicating the time to it.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with a lot of what you said
and in the general tone of it.  However, this article would suggest that baseball is doing just fine:

http://www.variety.com/VR1117974482.html

I have posted a few times here lambasting FOX and the way they do their games.  I still contend that the dumbed down approach to broadcasting is not good for the sport, even though this may be contrary to that.  It may not.  One thing the article alludes to is that this success is driven not by the broadcast but by the teams involved.  Call me crazy, but I think that Scooter, robots, and silly sound effects don't add much to the dialogue.

On another somewhat related topic, I'm at least as interested in the topic of why baseball is losing popularity in the African American community as much as kids in general.

by NO100 on Oct 23, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kids tend to follow their heroes
and I think Michael Jordan stole a lot of the attention for about a 12 year period.  African American kids get exposed to this and you can't blame them for following down the basketball path.

Because of Tiger Woods, I think you will see an influx of African American golfers on the PGA tour, because they started the sport young and dedicated time to it.

Scouting systems of all professional sports will eventually find the talent.  It may take them time to adjust, but they usually end up finding where the players are with the best talent.  Hockey eventually found the talent in Europe, baseball found it in the latin countries and basketball has also found talent outside of the US.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you'll see a...
...massive influx of African-American golfers, Tiger Woods or no. Golf, tennis -- all of the "country club" sports are still tightly controlled in ways that baseball, football, and other more common sports or not.

Tiger Woods is a phenominal athlete. But he doesn't solve a lot of the class issues associated with golf -- even if you don't consider outright discrimination, golf is expensive. More importantly, golf requires a lot of open space to learn, which isn't an option for a lot of kids in America, which is why participation in sports like basketball (which was designed for a low-space, indoors urban environement) is going to be higher for a long time.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Oct 23, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say massive influx
of African American golfers, but you will see a much higer percentage than you have seen the last 40 years.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
that would be two.

African Americans kids are not going to take up golf in huge numbers just because of Tiger Woods. The barriers to beginning golf (cost of equipment, cost of green, accessibility of greens, cost of instruction) are just too great for someone who doesn't already have access and an interest through a parent, relative or someone like that.

Sure, you might get two African Americans in the next decade on the tour, and that would, in fact, be an increase.  But I doubt there will be many more than that.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 23, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree
the impact of athletes like Woods are quite powerful and despite the fact that you do have financial barriers in golf, the most talented will get some opportunities.

This past summer, I went to watch the US Public Links championships at Cantigny in Wheaton.  I saw several African American players who were from college teams across the country.  10 years ago, this would not have been the case.

I would not be surprised to see 5-7 African American golfers on the tour in the next 5 years, and that would be a huge change from years past.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold On
There are a lot of African American middle class where the financial barrier to entry is no different than the rest of America.  

But that doesn't go to expalin baseball where the financial barrier is low and the older generation is interested in it.

by NO100 on Oct 23, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's much easier
to get a couple guys together to play basketball than it is to get enough to play baseball. It's much easier to get the space in the inner cities (where I' have read that this is a really big problem)to play basketball than baseball. I hate to over simplify, but I think that's a huge part of it.  
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Oct 23, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did I ever say
African Americans couldn't afford to golf?  I said it was expensive to golf and that was a barrier to people who didn't already have an "in" to the game through a relative or mentor.  It's one thing to have the money--it's another thing to want to spend all that money on golf.

Please do not put racist words in my mouth because I didn't say them.  

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 23, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first thing you need
is passion, and a guy like Woods will help to create that in the younger generation.  When that is out of the way, the other things become much less of an obstacle.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 23, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't imply racism in your words
But the discussion was in regards to more African Americans become outstanding golfers and the barriers to that.  I could take your words to imply that since there is a large financial barrier and one needs and "in" that golf 50 years from now will look pretty much just like it does today.

But that doesn't go to expalin why baseball, which has a low financial barrier to entry and an older generation that is interested, is losing interest in the African American community.

by NO100 on Oct 23, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The simple answer here...
...is competition. Basketball and football are more popular among African-Americans.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Oct 23, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That article
is interesting, especially the way it points out that sports are "DVR-proof."  I watch most scripted shows on a DVR playback and skip the commercials, but sports I always watch live.  That's a big selling point to advertisers.

For all our bitching about what Fox is doing for baseball, we should acknowledge that the TV networks know more about the TV business than we do.  The Rockies/Diamondback ratings were terrible, but that was the Rockies and Diamondbacks, and it was a sweep.  Give the public a seven game series between Boston and Cleveland, two teams that are more than fifteen years old, and the public will come out.

Are they maximizing short term ratings and profits over the long-term growth of the sport?  Of course they are.  That's what TV does.  Nobody in the industry cares what happens in ten years because they won't have a job by then if they do.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 23, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Network execs know more about TV broadcasting than we do, but the short term outlook can only work for so long.  I think we are starting to see that in the music industry.  Thier profits from selling CD's are at the lowest levels they have been in years.  Music piracy, I don't think, is a complete answer to why that is happening.  

The music industry, simply put, is not developing acts that hold talent and market themselves simply by releasing a new CD.

To get this back to baseball, what happens when the people who tuned in to hear Scooter tell them what a fastball is get bored and tune out?  
 

by NO100 on Oct 23, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frisco Dusty or Chicago Dusty?
I recall being very excited when the Cubs hired Dusty Baker.  Fans were told not to expect a master strategist but rather a "player's manager."  The way I recall it, this particular "player's manager" was said to be two things:
  1.  A good handler of people, including those with, er, "difficult personalities."
  2.  A man so popular with major league players that superstars would flock to the north side of Chicago and give the Cubs a discount just so they could play for Dusty Baker.
To be fair, Dusty seemed to handle the more difficult players on the Giants pretty well and over a 10 year stretch he probably played some role (perhaps even a large role) in attracting high quality players who had 7 winning seasons, won a pennant, a wildcard, and two division titles.  His Giants roster in 1993 (103 wins) was dramatically different than his Giants roster in 2002 (NL pennant) so he didn't simply stand pat with the cards he was originally dealt.  I should also point out that a large number of the team's big contributors were free agents as opposed to the home grown talent.

It seems there was some reason for Cub fans to believe the hype.  In my opinion, however, evidence from Baker's stint in Chicago suggests that he was a terrible handler of people.  Furthermore, the hordes of superstar free agents never materialized.  Jim Thome was the only superstar free agent clamoring to play on the north side but I got the sense he would have offered a home town discount whether Baker was managing or not.  And for the purposes of this post, it is irrelevant that he ended up playing for the White Sox.  The team seemed to attract somewhat better players under Baker than it had under Don "Every Situation Calls for a Bunt" Baylor but overall I think Dusty Baker the Free Agent Magnet performed substantially below the level fans were led to expect.

So which Dusty Baker will we see in Cincinnati?  It's impossible to say with certainty, of course, but I'll make a guess.  The Chicago Dusty Baker is a more recent vintage than the San Francisco Dusty Baker so it's reasonable to expect a performance similar to the Chicago version.  On the other hand, different conditions might not give Baker the opportunity to repeat his Chicago performance.  Cincy is hardly awash in revenue so I would not expect the club to be particularly competitive in signing the top free agents.  I can't imagine why any established pitcher would choose to ply his trade in that ballpark so the club will probably have to rely on farm products and well crafted trades but that sort of transaction says nothing about which Dusty Baker we'll see in Cincinnati.  Will Baker be the deciding factor in a big free agent's decision to choose Cincinnati's offer over a better offer from another club?  Forgive me if I'm skeptical.  Regarding Dusty the Free Agent Magnet I think Reds fans should expect the deep dish Chicago style Dusty.

And will Dusty Baker be the guy who helped drive Steve Stone from the broadcast booth or will he be the guy who miraculously kept some semblance of peace between Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent?  Well, I think the Reds team Baker inherits probably has less clubhouse strife (if such a thing can be measured**) than his Giants teams and his Cubs teams.  Even so, every season sees new additions to every major league roster so I suppose it's remotely possible the 2008 Reds will be more contentious than the Athletics of the early 70s or the Bronx Zoo Yankees.  Not likely, however.  With easier personalities on the roster I suspect Baker will handle his new team without creating too many big incidents.  It seems unlikely that he and, say, Eddie Guardado will drive Marty or Thom Brennaman out of town.  It's difficult for me to envision the return of such a thin-skinned, passive-agressive Dusty.

Ultimately, I expect Baker to do very little in Cincy.  He has a relatively subdued team to manage but they aren't especially good (well, the pitching anyway).  It seems unlikely that Baker alone will draw big impact free agent pitchers to a hitters' park or a small market team that tends to perform poorly.  Frankly, without some very talented rookies bubbling up through their farm system (and the rooks might not get playing time if Cincinnati gets the Chicago version of Dusty Baker) I have a hard time seeing the Reds doing much more than they did in 2007.  I'm guessing that Dusty Baker's primary contribution to the Reds will be a slight increase in national media attention but not much more than that.

by Copter OBob on Oct 23, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Measuring Clubhouse Strife
** I am unsure of how, precisely, one could measure clubhouse strife but I'd love to see someone attempt it.  I suggest the unit of measurement be called the Kingman.  As in, "When Ted Williams was in his prime his teams routinely reached 30 Kingmans but that's nothing compared to Ty Cobb's 1909 Tigers who set the American League record of 68 Kingmans."

by Copter OBob on Oct 23, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rocky Wirtz is a much better name.
I'm flying into Boston on Thursday, and just found out that the plane will land two hours before game time.  Right now I'm trying to balance my temptation against my fear of traffic.
Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Oct 23, 2007 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Hawks!
Go check out the young kids Toews and Kane. Original six matchup, you can't beat that!

by cubby23 on Oct 23, 2007 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heavy equipment in right field
and no, I'm not talking about Darryl Ward.  (ba da bum)  ;-)

Just walked by Wrigley and took a look-see through the right field knothole.  The inside gate is wide open and there is a big back-hoe on the outfield grass.  Nothing has been dug up in the field yet, but the concrete concourse between the knothole gate and the inside gate has been completely jackhammered and removed.  So there's a short dirt "driveway" there that I suspect will see a lot of traffic in and out over the next couple months.

I took some 'before' pictures the other day, and I'll try to keep taking them throughout the process, but I guess that depends on how accessible the knothole continues to be.  I think Al said he'd try to get some shots from the Cubs Cam, assuming they don't get shut down.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 23, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Posting Pictures
Al,
Did you configure the blog to strip out 'img' HTML tags from messages?

by cubsnlinux on Oct 23, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I didn't.
You sure you did it right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 23, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what ballhawk was talking about
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 23, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ivy still looks pretty green
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Oct 24, 2007 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About half of it, actually.
Which is just about where the trees in the neighborhood stand... some bare of leaves, some with colored leaves, some still green.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 24, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Bonds.....
....a sportswriter acquaintance of ours, who has been in the business since the 60's, says his paper's beat writer has found out that since Stoneman has stepped down, the Angels have not rejected out of hand the possibility of signing Bonds to be a DH. They have not had a regular season long DH in quite some time, usually rotating in the position the extra outfielder, a decent hitting utility guy or someone who is just a bit too nicked up to play the field. No word on how Scioscia feels about this, but it's the kind of "out of the box" thinking (for the Angels, anyway) they want to encourage with Stoneman no longer the GM.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Oct 23, 2007 6:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.
That's... that's a small box they're thinking outside of.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Oct 23, 2007 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, It's The Angels......
.... the best team not in the World Series. When Stoneman  announced he was stepping down because he didn't "have the energy for the job" any more, the joke was that yeah, NOT signing a big bat and hanging on to all the prospects must have taken it all out of him.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Oct 23, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about the same thing
Stoneman has to be given credit for where they have gotten including the 2002 championship but it seems to me that they missed the boat on more opportunities.  The signing of a big bat or the trading of some of their prospects for a bat would have given them a better chance these past few years.  Before he disappeared, Dallas McPherson would have drawn serious interest.  Brandon Wood's flame is starting to dim.  Before this season, Ervin Santana would have gotten a good return.

Prospects frequently flame out so occasionally using them to get proven players makes sense.  Boston wouldn't be in the WS without the Ramirez/Sanchez for Beckett/Lowell deal.  Stoneman just never wanted to trade his prospects.  For a major market team, that's a mistake.      

by rlpete on Oct 24, 2007 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrigley/Fenway
Living in Boston, I have been to Fenway many times.  What Wrigley needs is a jumbo video screen like the one at Fenway.  Take away the old-fashioned scoreboard and update with electronic scoring and video replays.  Purists will complain of course, but come on, this is the 21st Century!
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Oct 23, 2007 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chicago Blackhawks
 A buddy of mine who's a devout Coyote fan told me that there's a buzz surrounding the Blackhawks around other NHL fans because they've got 2 or 3 really outstanding young players. That's the first I heard of it.

 I still follow all Chicago pro franchises (and College) except the Blackhawks. When I was a kid though, I used to be a big Blackhawks fan and then Dollar Bill ruined it for me. Now that he's dead and if the early reports are true that his son is trying to appease the fractured fan base, maybe it's safe to follow the team again and even buy some merchandise.

 It's pathetic that the Blackhawks have been a sidenote in Chicago sports over the last 15+ years but it would be nice to see the Hawks get back some of their long lost fans and it would be great for the NHL.

by lemon20pie on Oct 23, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's time to come back to the Hawks!
I've gone to nearly every home game this season (missing tonight's game though). This is a much improved team thanks largely to the rookies.

Johnathon Toews and Patrick Kane are the two kids you speak of and they are the real deal.

Both have pt. per game averages and if you didn't see the Toews goal versus Colorado, well, let's just say it's already been called the "goal of the season!"

by cubby23 on Oct 23, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toews goal...
Love the French Canadian commentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-UmeAqpx4

Can you say Denny Savard?

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Oct 23, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's more going on today at Wrigley.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 24, 2007 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lots of "divots" in left field
Al, can you get a shot of left field?  I remember the old CubsCam (before TribCo figured out they could charge for it) actually let you rotate the camera angle and zoom in and out.

Anyway, I walked by the knothole about an hour ago and a bulldozer was ripping up left field.  Looked like someone was pushing up one of those long carpet runners - the grass was just folding and piling up at the end but still somewhat intact.  Also saw Boss Bossard walking the field, shovel in hand.  Gotta love a hands on manager...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 24, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole outfield's gone!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 24, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

View from CF
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 24, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bare naked.
I'd like Geovany Soto to catch for me everyday. ;-)

by sue369 on Oct 24, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 24, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does this hurt to look at?
Weird, I know.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Oct 24, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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