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The Fukudome Vigil

We await developments, even as Kosuke Fukudome says he's going to play in the USA:

"I won't be playing for a Japanese club next season, I'll play in the majors," Fukudome said. "I appreciate the fans who supported me for nine years. I hope that the fans continue to root for me when they see me playing in the United States."

Wearing a Cub uniform, we hope (and light candles for). Paul Sullivan says a Fukudome signing could bring Japanese ad signage to Wrigley Field:

If the Cubs sign Fukudome, they can immediately add to their revenues by selling advertising space at Wrigley Field to Japanese companies, as Boston, Seattle and other clubs with Japanese stars have done in their parks.

The Cubs recently announced they will increase the ad signage at Wrigley, and since more Cubs games will be televised in Japan if Fukudome signs, it makes sense that some of the ads will be in Japanese.

Gordon Wittenmyer: the Cubs could have him signed within 24 hours.

We're ready. Keep watching this space for more news later today.

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Let's go Cubbies!
Fu-ku-do-me...! As we hear it starting from the RF bleachers then the whole park reaching a crescendo, say some 325 days from now.

Do it Jim, do it.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 8:23 AM CST reply actions  

325 days?
Why wait that long? It's only 111 days till Opening Day!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

'cause its when the WS
will be at the old north side ballyard!
Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I figured that's what you meant.
But why wait to start chanting his name?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Uh, more advertising...
...I love how each off season in the last few years the Cubsters have announced that they are going to add a little more advertising, as though it were just decided upon (or as a result of signing Soriano or Fuku) and not part of a 5 or 10 year plan.  

What are their longterm advertising plans?  In the end will Wrigley look like every other ML ballpark?  (Shudder and gasp!)

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 11, 2007 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

Probably not, I'd guess...
... although one thing I would NOT be surprised to see would be a ribbon board (as they now have at the Cell and other parks) on the edge of the upper deck.

Honestly, I would NOT have a problem with this, especially if they used part of such a board to put more information (stats, scores, etc.) than they can squeeze on to that little board below the main scoreboard.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Yuck!
I think those ribbons are the worst...the most distracting aspect of modern stadiums.  It is impossible to look somewhere where there is not something blinking at you.  I realize it's a matter of personal preference, but, please, no ribbon at Wrigley!
Free the upper deck!

by cubzfan on Dec 11, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Try watching a game in AZ
It almost made me go into a seizure. There is crap flashing everywhere; the absolute nightmare of Cubs fans growing up going to Wrigley.

The ribbon won't be that bad if they do it tastefully. I imagine that if they take the boards they have today, extend them and use the same practice as today, it won't be that bad.

Sitting in the bleachers 20-30 times a season I got used to revolving ad behind the plate but then again its not lit and still 400+' away. The worst part of that is the green rectangle during national telecasts.

It will be interesting though to see a Japanese-based ad on the revolving board kind of like the "Z" ads we saw this past season.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.
The ribbon boards in some parks go, well, overboard.

Anyone here been to Yankee Stadium? That's the concept I'm thinking of.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well as long as...
the ivy, scoreboard and marquee are not affected (there's several other things protected) by the changes, they can be made according to the landmark status.

At least that's how I understand the landmark ruling for several aspects of the ball park; not the whole thing just parts.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I personally would like to know the errors.
But not at the expense of the scoreboard, which is about a million years old.  If it's lasted that long, I think it deserves to stay for another few decades.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -Casey Stengel

by cubbybear on Dec 11, 2007 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The errors?
Other things I can remember are:

any sight lines,
any seating change that would require alteration of the light standards,
obstruction of view from the rooftop [partners],
any change to the bricks,
the basket as well as the ivy.

BTW, the scoreboard is not the original (but similar to it) and went up in 1937 along with the planting of the ivy. The clock was added in '38. The baskets appeared in '70.

I don't remember the article that had this but it wasn't a local newspaper. If I find it, I'll post it.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on...
FUKO! We need you baby! Yeah, the fans and media may be less intense in SD, but just think about the passion and hype on the Northside.
You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Dec 11, 2007 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

Got that right
ya got a light a fire under their asses to get them to yell; that or the scoreboard showing, "make noise".
Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Japanese Advertising Dollars
Last year Dice K only brought in about $900k in advertising.  Granted Ichiro and Matsui bring in $3-6M, but I wouldn't count on getting that much out of it. Source:

http://umpbump.com/press/is-matsuzaka-still-worth-it/

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Dec 11, 2007 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

I wonder, though...
... how much the Cubs would make, both in the US and Japan, in selling his jersey. I don't think any sales of Matsuzaka jerseys, T-shirts, etc. is included in that $900,000.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Quick question Al
when a team sells their licensed jerseys, does that money go into a pot shared by all major league teams, or is it weighted towards which jerseys sell the most?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 11, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Pot shared....
it all goes to MLB, not the teams......
Super Mario Galaxy! Get it NOW!

by TheBeerBaron on Dec 11, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Licensed merchandise
All profits from licensed merchandise (caps, jerseys, logo desk sets, etc.), no matter where it is purchased (ball park, internet, team gift shop, U.S., Japan) goes into one big pot.  This pot is then split (not sure if it is exactly 50-50) between the PA and MLB.  

MLB splits its share evenly among all 30 teams.  

The PA uses some of the proceeds to pay union expenses -- dues are only $7 per day -- and they distribute the remainder equally among players.  It amounts to over $100,000 per player (for full year of ML service), though they cut the distribution in CBA years to create a strike fund.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Dec 11, 2007 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The big difference....
...is that Matsuzaka can only play once every five days, cutting down on viewing. I wouldn't expect Fukudome to draw Ichiro's numbers, but I would expect him to draw more than Matsuzaka.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 11, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure Hope
he picks Chicago, I believe he will do well and will be well received in Wrigley.

Go Cubs

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Dec 11, 2007 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

Huh? Maybe he's an Asian Jacque Jones
Great opinion on MLB Rumors http://mlb-rumors.blogspot.com/2007/12/is-fukudome-really-that-great.html

Yet again we are getting our hopes up that (1)) this guy will be the difference maker and (2) lead us to the promised land.

Maybe.

But I fear we spent $2m (so far) and lost Will Ohman (not such a bad thing) for the opportunity to spend $12-15m for a little better arm in right field.

 

by Northpith on Dec 11, 2007 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

That post...
... is almost singularly uninformed. He cites "endurance" (several times) as a possible aftereffect of the elbow surgery -- where on Earth does he get this info?

His attempt at statistical analysis is almost laughable. See this BCB diary for a far better discussion of what Fukudome might do as a major leaguer.

"Asian Jacque Jones"? Not hardly.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Ultimately he's not far off...
The point is that Iwamura and both Matsuis displayed FAR more power in Japan than they have in MLB.  I'd say 10-20 HR is probably a pretty fair assessment of Fukudome's power translation based on what the Matsuis, Iwamura, and Ichiro did.

The question will be how well Fukudome's average will translate, because we can probably guess his power will not translate.  If he's a .310-.320 hitter, he'll likely be an .850+ OPS guy.  If he's a .280-.290 hitter, he'll likely be an .800 OPS guy.

by SouthernCub on Dec 11, 2007 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

slight title edit...
He's ultimately NOT NECESSARILY far off...

I think we'll see a ~.75 point AVG/OBP difference, and ~15 HR power.  So if he's in the .280-.290 range, he's a LH hitting, better defensive version of Matt Murton.  If he's in the .310-.320 range, he's a decent offensive upgrade.

by SouthernCub on Dec 11, 2007 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Team needs
Remember that much of the hype around hear for him is not because he is a superstar, but because he offers skills (lefty bat, OBP) that this team desperately needs.  

by TC Cubby on Dec 11, 2007 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong
I'll take the power and OPS but I'm more interested in the OBP, good fielding, good arm and presence on the bases.

If the OPS comes along with for the ride, I'm all for it; but give me my OBP [MTV].

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Great Post.
I totally agree, and couldn't have said better!!
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Dec 11, 2007 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's get this done
so we can move on and finalize our roster for '08. We need Fukudome so we can tackle the second most glaring need this team has which is another starting pitcher, a #1 type that can win a game in a five game series. I just don't trust Z-Hill-Lilly to be able to close the deal on a five game series. And, we have to win that before we can move to the NLCS or WS. Fukudome+pitcher=done, let's play ball!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Dec 11, 2007 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

Just curious
 Did anyone who sent Fukudome an EMail, use an english to Japanese program to translate their E-Mails?
I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

I Sent An E-mail To Mr. Fukudome...
... in English.  I didn't want the Japanese translation tool from Google to accidentally swear at the guy.

I doubt he got it translated for him, but you never know.

I sent him the pic of the Cubs uniform as well.  I figured pictures don't need translating...  :-)

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

same thing.
Sent in English.  Didn't want to offend with a crappy translation.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Dec 11, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Please
let this happen.
"But being a nasty hateful person she can't help herself." KOW

by sue369 on Dec 11, 2007 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

Not to be a wet blanket to the Vigil
 But in I wouldn't expect any news for minimum 10 hours as it's 12:30 AM in Japan
I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

I really
thing the Padres are gonna land this guy...sorry
I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Dec 11, 2007 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

i can see it now....
fuku on deck for the 1st time and the batter in front of him strikes out with runners on base and 2 outs. 40000 fans at the stadium on their feet, every player in the dugout on their feet and every fan at home on their feet--all clapping. fuku comes to the plate and swings the bat and theirrrrrr it goes, way back, it might be, it could be, it isssssss. homerun !!! holy cow!!! welcome to the us. oh god i got chills running all over my body just thinking about it. i got a small tear in my eye too.  lets go fuku sign with us please.
GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Dec 11, 2007 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

Why don't we wait for Fukudome...
.....to officially announce he' scoming to the Cubs before we start shedding tears. Atleast the tears of joy.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

re) i can see it now...
in this scenario, if fukudome is on deck & "the batter in front of him strikes out with runners on base and 2 outs" doesn't that mean that the inning is over??????  :)
in 2007 we're goin' to heaven!!!

by ryno4ever on Dec 11, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

awwwwwwww
i meant comes to plate with 2 outs.
GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Dec 11, 2007 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i know....
just messin' with ya!  :)

i figured a lil fun would help us pass the time as we ALL hope for a fukudome announcement soon!!!!!

ps...i know i need to change my signature

in 2007 we're goin' to heaven!!!

by ryno4ever on Dec 11, 2007 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL
Yes, it does. Can we amend that to "one out"?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Does that mean.....
that Soriano struck out again?

by Ga Cub on Dec 11, 2007 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately
many homeruns in Japan will be loud outs in Wrigley, especially if the wind is blowing in.  So not only do we lose the homer, we gain the out.

I'm with the guy that says, give me better OBP, better base presence and a better arm and it will be ok.

by Northpith on Dec 11, 2007 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be sweet
to see some F-BOMB's launched into the bleachers!
You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Dec 11, 2007 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

platoon?
If Murton doesn't get traded this off-season, will he platoon with Fukudome?

Defensively, will Fukudome be as good in RF as Jacque Jones? his arm almost has to be better by default but will he cover as much ground as Jones?

After Jones signed the 3/16 contract to platoon for the cubs he posted a .285/.334/.499 line. Does that seem to be a pretty reasonable projection for Fukudome?

by jacob on Dec 11, 2007 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

Not quite.
I'd expect him to have a BA and OBA about 25 points higher.

Jones seems to have a perception as being a RF who had an enormous amount of range. Without checking his range factors, I never had that perception. Fukudome has to be better, almost by default.

I doubt he'd platoon, either. His Japanese splits don't seem to be available, but I can't see the Cubs spending as much as has been discussed on Fukudome, for a platoon outfielder. Plus, I hear Murton's on his way out.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Really? Murton's out?
Where to? Please tell me it's not in that hair-brained Teahan trade...

I think we could see Murton in a platoon, but with Pie, not Fukudome.  With a LH opposing starter, Murton will start in RF, with F-Bomb (I'll put my vote for this as his nickname) playing CF.  Against RHP, Pie gets the start in CF with F-Bomb in RF.

by Chadnudj on Dec 11, 2007 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Amending my earlier comment...
if we do manage to get Roberts via trade, then Murton is probably out (very possibly in the Roberts trade).  I would then see the platoon being Pie/DeRosa, again with Fukudome playing CF and DeRosa in RF, and Fukudome in RF and Pie in CF.

Of course that hinges on 2-3 substantial "ifs."  The first (and not least significant) of which being the "if we get Fukudome."

by SouthernCub on Dec 11, 2007 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Jones/Fukudome don't project similarly...
Jones is more power/less OBP.  Fukudome is more in the Matt Murton mold as a hitter (high OBP, decent average, ~15 HR power).

I'd expect a higher OBP (think .360-.380) and lower SLG (.430-.450), with both being contingent on his average.  If he's a .280-.290 hitter, I'd guess .360ish OBP with .440ish SLG.  If he's a .310-.320 hitter, I'd guess .380-.390 OBP and .460-.470 SLG.

As for the platoon, I'd expect Fukudome to be the everyday OF.  The only platoon possibility I'd see would be Murton/Pie, with Fukudome playing CF when Murton plays.

by SouthernCub on Dec 11, 2007 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

you're right
fukudome will be high obp, low power guy, opposite of jones. bad comparison.

bill james has jones for .332/.433, in a platoon role (call it 450 ABs), simple runs created: (obp x slg x abs) 65.

assume fukudome can play center field, is not platooned, and collects a full 600 ABs in a full time role. take your conservative estimate, .360/.430 and fukudome's runs created is: 93 runs.

call the defense a wash (i suspect jones is a better CF than fukudome)... and fukudome's worth 3 full wins over jones.

add 150 ABs of matt murton (.370/.470) to jacque jones, 65 runs + 26 runs = 91 runs created...

the jones/murton platoon would've cost the cubs 3 million dollars. replacing it with fukudome will cost, let's assume 15 million dollars.

that's extra 12 million dollars should buy (in free agent dollars) nearly an extra 3 wins... let's call it two for simplicity (also allows the extra millions to be an investment on the brand, which is certainly at play).

For an extra two wins over jones/murton you'd want fukudome to generate 125 runs...

in 600 ABs, for a high obp, low slugging type guy that's about a .410/.510 type season.

for 115 runs (1 win better than murton/jones) you'd need a .390/.490 type season.

Because of the high obp/low slg scenario those numbers are higher than they need to be.

if fukudome's a win better on defense, a .390/.470 season-- your optimistic projection-- makes him worth the dollars.

by jacob on Dec 11, 2007 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Fukudome will start in CF against lefties
Murton will get his hacks in.  Pie can't cut it against lefties yet.  Murton will also continue to be a valuable bat off the bench.  Having Ward and Murton to come off the bench is such a huge bonus.

by IllinoisCubs on Dec 11, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

re: Fukudome will start in CF against lefties
The problem with having Murton coming in off the bench is he doesn't seem particularly well-suited to be a pinch hitter. He seems to be a guy who needs regularly ABs -- platooning at least -- to provide the decent-to-good production that he's capable of.

As my sig line indicates, I'd love to see the Cubs starting outfield to be Soriano in left, Pie in center and Fukudome (assuming he's indeed acquired) in right. But I won't be surprised in the least if Pie starts the year struggling at the plate, so I do like the idea of platooning Pie and Murton in right. This would take some of the pressure off Felix and give him a chance to work up his confidence against right-handed pitching. He could even still come in late in games as a defensive replacement in centerfield with Fukudome moving over to right (and, thus, gaining some experience in the position he'll, I hope, eventually play full time).

For this reason alone, I'd like to see the Cubs hang on to Murton until at least mid-season. Then perhaps he could be packaged into some sort of difference-making trade down the stretch toward the post-season. I'd be a little sad to see Murton go but, as has been pointed out ad infinitum, he doesn't appear to have a long-term place with the Cubs.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 11, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

finally...
We actually have some concrete news that he is coming over, this has been 3 weeks coming. I really want the cubs to sign him despite the fact we are going to overpay, but lets me honest just about every professional athlete is grossly overpaid...different subject.  

Anyways, these are the quality signings we need to make, also its exciting to know this will allow us to move forward in other areas no matter what happens with fuku.  I agree with mrcubsfan, the three starters we have right now are nice but if were going to win it all, we need another stud pitcher. I would then feel like we have a complete team.

by slocs55 on Dec 11, 2007 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

Negotiations

I have a question about the negotiation process.  With agents (other than Boras), how honest do you think the agents are about the offers on the table?  Do you think they are usually pretty honest about saying "Pads are offereing 3/42, can the Cubs beat that?"?  

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Dec 11, 2007 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

I understood this to be
the agent can say there's something offered for x years and y dollars but can't say the team.

Guess since this appears to be a 2-team race, though I'd never count out others, it stands to reason that if the agent said 3/42 to Hendry that most likely the number came from Towers.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

San Diego Tribune says...
They say that early indications are that the Cubs are offering 50 mill for Fukudome.  It doesn't say how many years that would be for.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071211-9999-1s11padres.html

by amisaid1 on Dec 11, 2007 9:55 AM CST reply actions  

Well...
... 5/50 would seem "too little" on an annual basis (since the Padres are rumored to have also offered $10M per year); 3/50 would be way too much.

I'm guessing it's 4/50.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

interesting to read that
Towers said their offer was final.
Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

"Come on, baby don't you want to go...
"...Come on, baby don't you want to go
To that new old place, Fuku-dome, Chicago!"
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 11, 2007 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

Not to rain on anyones parade, but....
....frankly I dont get the pools of drool over this guy, is he really the second coming of Christ? It seems like we are making these signing or lack of one the measuring stick for the offseason success as it hinges on this one signing, (FYI. . . uhhh. . the cubs are more than just one player away for competing for the WS next year, maybe 25 players away looking at the Tigers, Red Sox, AL in general) We really have no idea how his stats will project over to the US or what his passion is when not playing for his native country.

Yes, I realize why we need to sign him, we need a LH RF, and there are really no other viable/attractive options out there in FA or in-house.  I hope he proves me sooo wrong that I cant show my face around here again w/o KOW treatment, but I just cant see spending 12-15 million on a player that we really have no idea about. Yes, his stats indicate he can get on base, and well, but the small sample size of Japanese players before have indicated a drop in power (fences are closer to the plate in Japan) and He should be able to play defense.

But is he really going to be THAT much better than Murton would be if he were given the chance to play EVERY day for a year.  Murton was really starting to show power late last year, he hit, I want to say three or four dingers, in about a week span, a couple of those were of the pich hit variety I believe.  And Murton will be soo much cheaper, I know he's RH and his D is probably less than Fuk-y's, but that money could and maybe should be spent on a pitcher.

If you want to argue that Murton does not have the speed that Lou wants, realize that fuk-y really does not have that speed either, tho he probably is faster than Murton.

Realistically we are looking at a .280/.290 hitter that we hope can get us a OBP of .380-.400 and maybe hit 10-20 home runs, Murton gives you that at the least, maybe a lower OBP but 20-30 homers. and the crap about being all RH,man the pitcher also can not get settled in when he is getting pounded by hit after hit.  Throwing a LH batter up there just to keep him from getting comfortable sounds good in theory, but getting hits for the same side of the plate works even better.

All that rambling and Yet I still think fuk-y would be a good addition to this team, just DONT break the bank for him, as report are suggestting the cubs are willing to do.  It is not the end of the world if he plays for the Madres, We have the mirror image of him in Murton, IMHO!

"Secondly, there's a difference between being asleep at the wheel and passed out at the wheel, I would challenge passed out" ~ Tony LaRussa

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 11, 2007 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

I agree with this mostly...
I also think that many are overvaluing Fukudome.  I don't expect the .380-.400 OBP from him (unless he manages to hit .310-.320, which would be an improvement on his Japan stats).  I expect a .290/.365/.440 type of line.  In other words, exactly what I'd expect from Murton.

That said, Hendry and Piniella seem hell-bent on getting a LH bat in the OF, and adding better defense.  Fukudome does provide both of those things, and is probably slightly faster than Murton (though not fast).

I think he'll be productive (just like I think Murton will be productive).  I wouldn't break the bank for him, but he's better than the alternatives given that they are definitely going to replace Murton in RF.

And all that said, I hope I'm wrong and that Fukudome puts up an .850-.900 OPS over the next few years in a Cubs uniform.

by SouthernCub on Dec 11, 2007 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's my worry...
I'm concerned that we have, through all these posts the last couple weeks, have WAY overvalued him and are expecting him to come and be the next Babe Ruth.

I'm concerned that when he doesn't live up to unrealistic expectations that some have, that fans will treat him poorly, ala Jacque Jones.

I'm concerned that other Japanese players will see that and will shy away from signing with the Cubs in the future.

If Fukudome signs with the Cubs, it COULD be the start of a beautiful relationship with Japanese players.  I just don't want that relationship to start off with the fans banishing Fukudome to the couch to sleep.

Can we temper our expectations?

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Dec 11, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not hoping for another Bambino
but reasonably close to Ichiro would work for me.  Guys an on base machine and has a rifle for an arm.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Dec 11, 2007 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I think expecting Ruth is a bit of a stretch.
Still, it's pretty reasonable to expect him to pitch an inning or two in relief, right?

Seriously, though, my own excitement comes from the fact that, in a day or two, we can finally stop discussing whether or not he'll play for the Cubs. What I am genuinely excited about is the prospect of trading for Brian Roberts. Hopefully once all of this passes, JH will talk turkey with the O's.

by Flatley on Dec 11, 2007 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, Ruth was a bit hyperbolic
but you get the idea.  It seems like everyone is anticipating his arrival with so much fanfare that he's growing a reputation without having played an inning in MLB yet.  Everyone's doing numbers, stats, projections and saying he can do this and that and that he saves puppies and that he's going to be the Cubs' savior.

Just dial it down and enjoy it when he, hopefully, puts up above average numbers and is a key cog in the Cubs' lineup.

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Dec 11, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

OHH!! he saves...
...puppies, well then I definitly say lets sign the dude:)

Saving a couple puppies and the additional revenue from Japanese companies wanting to advertise inside of Wrigley will asuredly get us to the promised land where they hand out World Series rings.  Lets do this Jimmy!!

"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive it isn't". ~ Richard Bach

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 11, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, if those numbers hold up
which I hope Fukudome does just a little better in the OBP column, then it comes down to fielding, arm and speed. There's no comparison with Murton there. Fukudome is notably better.

I liked Matty a couple years ago and wanted to see him succeed. But with Alfonz entrenched in LF, Fukudome would be a far-better overall RF than Murton. I just don't think Murton can play RF as well as LF and lets face it, he's an average fielder (and this includes the throwing) at best.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Hendry's on to something...
...How can Cub fans boo a signing, when we've never seen the guy play before. If Fuku signs, the Cubs convention will be more joyous and upbeat as ever as it will become one big party and Hendry will be celebrated. According to many Cub fans around here, this guy is the next coming of Ichiro.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Umm...
Do you realize you just said that we can't project Fuku's stats and then projected his stats in the same post?  Curious...
"Look, what's important is to be in first place on the last day of the season." -Lou 8/1/07

by 26.2cubfan on Dec 11, 2007 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

nag, nag, nag....
.... jk, yea I noticed that after I posted it and hoped nobody would notice, darn my luck:) But I think we are over-valuing him too much, and the stats I threw out there were kinda-of the consensus from folks around here of what we can expect, + or - some, but we really dont have ANY idea what to expect for japanese players since there is such a small, famous word around here, sample size of players making the jump across the ocean.

I really hope I am wrong, if he signs with us, its just that the hype is so great, he probably wont ever meet the expectations and thats not fair to him.  

"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive it isn't". ~ Richard Bach

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 11, 2007 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The Murton-Fukudome comp
I've compared Fukudome to Murton myself before, so I think some clarifications are needed.  When someone says that Fukudome would be "a left-handed Murton with better defense" they are most likely thinking of the 2005-06 Murton more than the '07 Murton who hit .281/.352/.438.  Fukudome will very likely hit better than that.

If you think Murton is a .296/.365/.455 hitter (his career numbers), recall that is essentially what Bobby Abreu did in 2007 and Keith Law has argued that Fukudome looks to be comparable to where Abreu is currently.

So, I think the best comparison for us is to say "Fukudome will be Abreu with better defense but less speed."

And for those who say projecting Fukudome is a complete crap shoot - I disagree.  Not only can you run stats comparing both American players who went to Japan and Japanese players who came to America, you can also scout the guy.  And the Cubs' scouts like what they see, quite a bit.

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 11, 2007 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Slightly Off Topic: Kuroda Update
Why did we shy out of this race?

"Kuroda only wants a three-year deal, giving himself a chance to go back to Japan for the 2011 season if he chooses.  According to Hickey, "Kuroda's final decision will be between the Dodgers and the Mariners." from MLBTR

I thought he almost signed with us last year, and at the last minute decided to stay back to take care of personal issues (ailing father was it?).

If this was the case, why are we not in the running for his services as well?  No posting fee...

Interesting info on the 3-year deal.  Most of the Japanese players have done this, but I thought it was to come over, get established, then land the big contract?  Maybe Kuroda is too old for that (by the time the 3 years expires, he's 35 or so, right?  That may be "past his prime"?).

In Fukudome's case, he would be 33, and likely at the prime-time of his career to land the big contract...

... this is another angle for them to have a choice to head back home, too.

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

well....
from everything i've read theres a lot bigger market for him than previously expected. whoever gets him is gonna give him so ridiculous contract. i dont think he will quite pan out but thats my opinion.
GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Dec 11, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Over at the gaslamp...
...they're not so optimistic as Cubbie fans about landing Fukudome. There's a diary titled "welcome to the Fuku Dome".

SOmeone int the diary compares Fukudome to Bigfoot, which I got a kick out of.

I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

wow
have a look at the padres blog. glad we have a good site.
GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Dec 11, 2007 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

Sandy Eggo contracts
The Wittenmyer article has Urbon saying the contract offers must be fairly even before geography becomes a factor.  To me, that suggests Fukudome is probably more interested in the duration and compensation of a proposed contract than he is in the intangibles that might make his transition to the U.S. more comfortable.  The Padres have said that their offer is one of the largest in team history.  Assuming that's true, what do the four or five largest contracts in Padre history look like?  Knowing this might give us all a better sense of what Hendry has to do to land the Cubs' new right fielder.

A quick look at baseball-reference.com shows the Padres have had very few players making $10 million/year or more but I don't have any good information about the length of current contracts or how much their current roster will be owed in the future.  It looks like the Padres' most expensive players (in individual seasons) have been Maddux, Klesko, Giles (Brian, not Marcus), Nevin and one or two others.  Of that group, it looks like Maddux is the only one the Padres have paid $10 million for a season.  I think.

I ask that someone post good Padre contract information so that my shoddy research doesn't stand as the best encouragement while we wait and hope for good news.

by Copter OBob on Dec 11, 2007 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

Blind date
The whole Fukudome saga reminds me of my first blind date. I never had a picture of her and had to take my buddy's word for it. Trouble is, I was so damned picky that I alternated between the ecstasy of going out with someone who was supposed to be hot and the agony of finding out my friend had no taste in women.
We didn't need Matsui Kaz he ain't Fuku.

by tharr on Dec 11, 2007 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

so should we be worried...
...if Hendry says Fukudome has a great personality???  ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 11, 2007 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Be worried
Be very worried.
We didn't need Matsui Kaz he ain't Fuku.

by tharr on Dec 11, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Lights candle
Wonders if Fukudomes around the world know it's Christmas time at all.

by IllinoisCubs on Dec 11, 2007 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

Why are we getting so caught up in...
Predicting his stats? Yes, these formulas may indeed be a good indicator of what he is capable of, in fact, many of you may be dead on (if so, kudos) but I'd much rather rant, rave, and assess the numbers After the fact. So unless you're taking your lines to Vegas, I'd say Relax.  BUT at the same you're all free to do as you please and I suppose that's the beauty of this site.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Dec 11, 2007 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

Good source? 5 years?
MLBTR just posted at 10:48 say a possible 5 year request from Fukudome. Hendry thought to be only 4 years...
Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 11:02 AM CST reply actions  

Cub special contract: player option
I'm guessing Hendry will offer 3 years at 11, 12, and 13 million, and another year as a player option for 13 million.  Plus a signing bonus of 1M.  Total: $50M over four years, but with an out after three.
Free the upper deck!

by cubzfan on Dec 11, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

How long?
How long is it physically possible to hold your breath without passing out?  
"DOME-AY, DOME-AY, DOME-AY, DOME-AY!"

by IowaCubs- on Dec 11, 2007 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

How long?
How long must we sing this song?

How long?

Sorry, just in a silly mood today I guess.  I just wish the Cubs would start making moves even if they are bad and we live to regret them for years to come.  The suspense is killing me.    

by NO100 on Dec 11, 2007 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

The only bad move...
The only bad move is no move at all.  It would totally suck if the Sox got him, so I say flash it big spender Hendry!

(btw... i'm obsessed, but not that obsessed... i just want to buy my wife a fukudome jersey with a no. 1 on the back for christmas so i can wear it in the bleachers)

"DOME-AY, DOME-AY, DOME-AY, DOME-AY!"

by IowaCubs- on Dec 11, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Buy her an X-Box 360
Chicks love video games.

by NO100 on Dec 11, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

After doing a little research on Japanese baseball
 I've heard that the Hanshin Tigers were considered the "Cubs" of the Japanese league and always just figured that it's because the team must be the most futile organization in Japan, like the Cubs are in MLB. Since they won it all in Japan in 85, that can't be why.

 Apparently it's because they have a curse too. IN 1985 after they won it all, some of their fans celebrated by throwing a Colonal Sanders statue from a KFC into a river and it is said that the Tigers will never win again, until the Statue is recovered. Also, the last time the Tigers played in the Japanese version of the World Series, all KFC's, put their statues of the Colonal inside.

 The curse of the Colonal Sanders is alive and well in Japan.

I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

That's some
FUNNY PIE!

We aren't the only cursed baseball team?

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Dec 11, 2007 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

You missed
why they threw Colonel Sanders into the river.

When Hansin won, the fans called off all the names of every player on the team.  Then, a person whom the crowd thought looked like that player had to jump into the river in his honor.  When they got to the name of their star gaijin Randy Bass, the only white guy with a beard they could find was the Colonel Sanders statue.

Japanese baseball.  Gotta love it.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Dec 11, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, yes I did miss that part
 Very best part too.

I'll be in the Osaka area next year for a couple weeks and I can't wait to catch some games. I saw a couple weeks ago on one my my favorite TV shows, "Anthony Bourdain: No reservations" on the Travel Channel, he was in Osaka tasting all the different foods and experiencing all the different traditions of the culture involving Food and Wine and he attended a Hanshing Tiger game and it looked like a blast.

 Looked like a giant party and was night and day from MLB (except a game in the bleachers at Wrigley, but the fans there actually watch the game). While their team was ab, they would hoot and holla and blow up balloons and launch them into the air and bang on their loud sticks, but only when their team was up and would quiet down out of respect for the other team, or something like that.

I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

As I said, Pie
If you can somehow try to be there during the National Baseball Tournament, you'll flip.

I think its in July.

How fun for you, in any case!

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Dec 11, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Why this is more than just a "signing"
Again, I keep reminding myself that the Cubs have never had a Japanese player before. We could have had Nomo, but Ed Lynch didn't want to pay him and thought he was finished. Good ol' Eddie.

Anyway, I am convinced that Hendry will not be outbid either due to the above, and, as an international marketing coup, it would be an incredible investment for the team. The branding opportunities, opening the Asian rim further, reaching the baseball-crazy Japanese population, broadcast, print, endorsements...

This is WAY more than signing a "guy with nice stats".  

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Dec 11, 2007 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

Leon Lee
Is Leon Lee back with the Cubs?  He spent a lot of time in Japan and, of course, his son has some job with the organization.  Is Hendry using Mr. Lee in the Fukudome gambit?

by Copter OBob on Dec 11, 2007 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I Thought Leon...
... was battling legal problems regarding an alleged charge of exposing himself in front of four women.  I think he eventually "won" that battle, but left a lot of bitterness/scars.

Last I heard he was in Sacramento guiding youth ball...

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cubs are in the Fukudome market...
... in large part as a result of Steve Wilson's scouting work. Wilson is now Pacific Rim scouting director.

If the name sounds familiar, he was part of the 1989 NL East champions. Never really fulfilled the promise the team thought he had, but he did throw one terrific start in the heat of the '89 divisional race.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Choi?
What about Hee Sop Choi?  Or was he Korean?

by McRipper on Dec 11, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, he's Korean.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 11, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

All I know is that
all this waiting better be worth it...
D-LEE!

by airweino on Dec 11, 2007 12:06 PM CST reply actions  

fuku is...
a catalyst for change.

by xene on Dec 11, 2007 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

The Padres may be desperate
for an outfielder, ANY outfielder -- but they will not break their self-imposed 'limits' to do it.

3/30 is their offer. They just want to be able to say (as I have posted before) "Well, we tried. Damn big market team did it again. Here's Geoff Jenkins for you. Scott Hairston will cover CF and RF until Giles is back, since Cameron also went to a major market. Damn Cubs, damn Dodgers, Damn Giants." It's a refrain that has become a mantra for this organization. Jake Peavy is going to be their only major signing, and even he took less than what he originally asked for.

They couldn't lose a home-grown player, even though it might have been better to trade him for other needs. Peavy, I believe is the only pitcher they have ever signed to a 5-year deal.

No matter who signs Fukudome, this is still a no-lose. If Fukudome tanks, he'd be welcomed back with open arms. He could be sold back to a Japanese team.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 11, 2007 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Hope you're right...
because after Fukudome the OF picture looks bleak (given that Murton isn't an option in Hendry/Piniella's eyes).

As for the "being sold back" thing, I doubt anyone will be paying $12-15 million per year to take him back.  We'd be taking quite a chunk of change to dump him back to Japan if he bombs.

That said, I don't think he'll bomb.  I don't think he'll be great, but I don't think he'll bomb either.  I think he'll be a productive, ~.790-.820 hitter who plays a very good RF.

by SouthernCub on Dec 11, 2007 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cubs OF situation is NOT bleak
Read my post again.

As of now, the Pads have lost Bradley.

They haven't yet signed Cameron. (And, he will lose many games at the start of the season due to suspension, no matter who he signs with)

Giles will not open the season due to injury.

Geoff Jenkins hasn't yet signed, is probably fall-back if Fukudome goes to Chicago.

As of now, Scott Hairston is their only healthy, major league outfielder.

Now......THIS is bleak.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 11, 2007 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The jury is still out on...
...whether or not Scott Hairston is an MLB outfielder, actually.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 11, 2007 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

side note
Does anybody else think it's funny that the Yankees will have both Hawkins and Farnsworth in the pen next year? They might be two of my least favorite Cubs ever after the 2004 debacle.

Maybe the Yankees can sign Kent Mercker, too.

by elgato on Dec 11, 2007 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Great Yankee Pen
Maybe Reminger and his chair can go too!

by Ga Cub on Dec 11, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

high salaries
for star players never bother me. But multiple millions for idiots like Hawkins and "the Farns" piss me off.

by elgato on Dec 11, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a bullpen guy, but
I just read that the Yankees are also interested in signing another Cubs 2004 alum - free agent CF Corey Patterson.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Dec 11, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha! The Yanks are Doomed!
"The Yankees have interest in Corey Patterson."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/odds-and-ends-m.html

They obviously have not heard of the "ex-Cubs Factor"

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Sightings
I would have to imagine that after his announcement early this morning (US time), Fukudome would be headed to the airport on his way to the States.

Has anyone seen him?  ;-)

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

Here's Why We Haven't Seen Him...
"Fukudome and his wife were expecting their first child, and he was not expected to come to Chicago until next week, a source said."

from MLB.com

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for this.
That would mean that, likely, no press conference would happen until then.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 12, 2007 4:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting nugget out of Arizona
 Bolb Melvin said that he will play Micah Owings at first base throughout the year and utilize his bat as much as he can. Now that's cool.

He's like Brooks Kieschnik, but he can hit and pitch.

I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 11, 2007 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

That guy can hit a ball as far as
one I saw Jenkins blast back in the early 70's.

Would that be funny to see "Z" give D-Lee a rest just once this season. You know he'd want to do it.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for him
but very sorry we lost him to a Division rival.

He had potential, imo.

I am partial to Micah Hoffpauir - whom we managed to keep, however. (The Hoff-POWER!)

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Dec 11, 2007 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought you were kidding about Owings.
But he wasn't. It's right here in this Arizona Republic article.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

60 ABs...
Is hardly a sample size worth noting, though it would be interesting to see a pitcher focus on hitting for a change.  

It's the same reason I like watching small school high school football here in Iowa... You'll have linemen and linebackers play the whole game playing both ways.  

Another topic for discussion... does anyone think that Z should focus less on knocking the ball out of the park and more on just putting the ball in play?  Maybe I'm overthinking this... Maybe he should just focus on his sinker.

"DOME-AY, DOME-AY, DOME-AY, DOME-AY!"

by IowaCubs- on Dec 11, 2007 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

About Z's hitting...
... sure, he'd be a better hitter if he didn't try to hit a 900-foot HR on every swing.

But I'd rather see him not walk so many hitters.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen
The walks are what is stopping him from winning that Cy Young he was talking about.

by slocs55 on Dec 11, 2007 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

God Selection
You think Bacchus is in charge of foreign free agents?  I sure hope so, based on how empty the wine glass in front of me is.

Sock it to me, Fukudome!

"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -Casey Stengel

by cubbybear on Dec 11, 2007 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

Tough To Read...
... does this say:

(1) The Cubs offered both a 4/60 and 5/60?  
(2) That Fukudome is preparing for a physical?  Does this mean that he's already accepted (in principle) an offer from the Cubs?  "Padres" and "other teams" was also in that line.
(3) Name dropping Piniella, who has managed other Japanese players.
(4) Name dropping Soriano, Ramirez and Lee to show the superstars...

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

wow
4 year 60mil? is what i got from that
Pie,Soto,Gallagher, Samardzija... its gonna be a bright future

by easyaspie on Dec 11, 2007 8:25 PM CST reply actions  

if
true then nice find  whadupdoe
Pie,Soto,Gallagher, Samardzija... its gonna be a bright future

by easyaspie on Dec 11, 2007 8:27 PM CST reply actions  

This thing will drag on through the week
Clearly, the Fukudome people are handling this skillfully in terms of getting the most for their player. That's their job, but are they using the Cubs to drive up the other offers or trying to squeeze a little more blood -- or maybe a fifth year -- out of Hendry & Co.?

I doubt they ever wanted three years. They wanted to get teams used to thinking more money per year and then try to string it out  over two more seasons.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't go somewhere on the West Coast. But whadupdo dug up that article from Japan that made it sound like the Cubs are trying to line up interpreters and a lot of VIP treatment for him. So anything is possible.

You have to think he'll ask for a no-trade, for sure.

"It's a long fly to left field. And there it goes. Ahhh crap." -- Harry Caray

by cubz1963 on Dec 11, 2007 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

SunTimes Update
"Indications Tuesday night suggested that the Cubs and Padres in particular were heavily involved in a process that still looked like it could be completed as early as late Tuesday night (early Wednesday afternoon in Japan). "

From: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/692166,fukudome121107a.article

by initram on Dec 11, 2007 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

can anyone confirm this?
someone on another website said Dave Kaplan on WGN radio said Urbon contacted JH saying they accepted there offer.  Beleived around 4/50.

anyone confirm?

by Rezze21 on Dec 11, 2007 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

Fukudome is a Cub
Around 9:30 pm WGN reported Fukudome is a Cub.  It's true.  Now what will Hendry's next move be?

by Copter OBob on Dec 11, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

It's quite possible
Fox sports (McPherrin) reports there is big news on the Cubs front. This can only mean a signing.

MLBTR is carrying the Kaplan slant, 4/50.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

Fox News Chicago
Just said "Breaking news concerning the Cubs at 10:00."  Trying not to get my hopes up.  I just hope the breaking news is that Mark Prior threw 20 pitches off a mound today.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 11, 2007 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

I meant, I hope Prior is NOT the breaking news.
C'mon, K-Fuk!
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 11, 2007 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

reported on 670 the score
confirmed 4/52
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Dec 11, 2007 9:46 PM CST reply actions  

WGN tv says it is a done deal
On the news right after the Bulls game

by BillV on Dec 11, 2007 9:46 PM CST reply actions  

ESPN.com confirms it.
I think we did it.  Way to go, Big Jimbo!!  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 11, 2007 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

WGN Announcing that we have him signed!?
I saw the teaser too, that he's signed, on WGN right after the Bulls game but nothing since.

K-Fuk????
Bwahahahahahahahaha

by meta4man on Dec 11, 2007 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

great news
it seems like everything is pointing in the direction that we got him. yahoooooooooooooo. lets celebrate, im very excited but please lets keep this in perspective.  i know most of us agree this is a good step in the right direction, but it is just a step and hopefully the beginning of other quality moves.  

i guess we will have to find something else to blog about, im sure that won't be too difficult.

by slocs55 on Dec 11, 2007 9:58 PM CST reply actions  

Way to go Jimbo!!!!
I give mad props to Jim. He has done a lot of good for this club since 2003. I know some people here have some "issues" with him and some of his decisions or "non/missed" moves, but I don't think most can argue that he has aggresively helped this club.

Congrats Jim, Cubs, and all the BCB faithful. Sori last year and now Fuk.

AWESOME!!!!!

Good Guys Wear Blue

by Cubskingdom on Dec 11, 2007 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

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