It's Pronounced "koh-skay foo-koo-DOUGH-may"

thanks to BCB reader initram for the rendering; it's generally accepted that he'll ask for his Cub jersey to look like this, instead of with his last name. I think you can figure out the reason!
The title of this post is something you should read and practice a few times; that's the generally accepted pronunciation of the Cubs' new right fielder, signed last night to a four-year, $48 million contract.
I'm very, very happy. This is exactly the kind of player the Cubs have needed for a long time -- a plus defensive outfielder with a good batting eye who could put up a .390 OBA (maybe in the #2 batting order slot), have midrange power and hit in the .290-.300 area. The money isn't unreasonable in today's market and neither is the length of the deal.
Linkage: Bruce Miles, Daily Herald. Gordon Wittenmyer, Sun-Times. Paul Sullivan, Tribune. No fewer than six BCB diaries on this and related topics. Oh, and the Padres fans still hate us, even more after this signing.
Here is an excellent wiki-style entry on Fukudome from Dan Lewis at Armchair GM; it has an extensive history of Fukudome's career, including many links and eight embedded video clips.
I may have to get myself one of those jerseys myownself. Word is the Cubs are still in the Brian Roberts derby -- if they got him, we could all relax, enjoy the holidays, and get excited about spring training and the 2008 season. Let's try to keep the discussion today in this thread; I'll update it later today if/when a news conference day and time is announced.
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Actually Al
When a U is in the middle of a word in Japanese, it is generally dropped in spoken Japanese.
It should be "Koh-skay." Just like Daisuke is pronounced "Dice-K" (Although actually that should be Di-skay)
Baseball Prospectus subscribers can check Mike Plugh of "Matsuzaka Watch" fame writing about him last July. He gives the correct pronunciation as what I wrote. You have Fukudome correct.
I don't speak Japanese, except that I have to admit a few years ago I watched a ton of anime and picked some stuff up.
Thanks for this.
Cannot wait...
re: Cannot wait...
I was wondering about that
Also
and who can forget Lance Johnson...
One-Dog!!!
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
Cubs who wore #1
Woody English(1932-36)
Charlie Grimm (m) (1937-38)
Jimmy Wilson (m) (1941-42)
Bill Serena (1954)
Jim Fanning (1955-57)
Richie Ashburn (1960-61)
Mel Wright (c) (1971)
Jose Cardinal (1972-77)
Cookie Rojas (c & player) (1978-81)
Larry Bowa (1982-85)
Dave Martinez (1986-88, 2000)
Rick Wrona (1988-90)
Doug Strange (1991-92)
Tommy Shields(1993)
Doug Glanville (1996-97)
Lance Johnson (1997-99)
Augie Ojeda (2001-03)
Kenny Lofton (2003)
Jose Macias (2004-2005)
Tony Womack (2006)
reference:
All Time Chicago Cub Uniform Number List
http://ignarski.tripod.com/temprost.html
Your Welcome
Kasey
BTW, the auhor
What a list.
A couple of coaches and a manager.
A couple of players who had a decent year or so as a Cub (Martinez, Lofton, L. Johnson).
A cuddly teddy bear (Ojeda).
And a bunch of no-names.
Fukudome will change the perception of the uniform #1 the moment he first steps on the field.
I saw Doug Glanville
Jeez, I almost forgot
Ah..... like we were gonna do something
4:30? Sleep Much?
In any event, excitin news re Kosuke. This is already a good team, so every little piece extra we get helps.
Wow. Very exciting news and I am
For one day, an off season victory that we can celebrate! Let's hope the Cubs keep on improving the team as we move towards Arizona baseball.
Is today the day they make a decision about Mark Prior's contract?
Prior...
should Prior
Oh this is very, very nice
WELCOME TO THE FUKUDOME!!!!
Very excited about the signing. It shows that despite the impending sale and the uncertainty that comes with that, the front office is at least still trying to put the pieces in place.
I think I'll have sushi today to celebrate.
Lineup so far for next season
Pie CF
Lee 1b
Fukudome RF
Ramirez 3b
Derosa 2b
Soto C
Theriot SS
and think of the possibilities if we get Roberts. This now makes a hand full of outfielders tradeable (aka Murton)
I think they'd switch Pie and Theriot...
Soriano
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Fukudome
DeRosa
Soto
Pie
If we get Roberts, it'd probably be:
Soriano
Roberts
Lee
Ramirez
Fukudome
Soto
Theriot
Pie
Can't we move Soriano to an RBI slot?
How about
Roberts
Pie (assuming he sticks)
Lee
Ramirez
Soriano
Fukudome
Soto
Theriot
Of course, the rotation is still shaky . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Move Pie to the bottom until he hits
Yep.
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
ninth?
I'd bat Rick Allen above him
Lilly and Z can hit, and hopefully Hill can figure out how to at least hold the bat and maybe sell a fake bunt or something
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
re: I'd bat Rick Allen above him
All we are saying
is give Felix a chance...
I agree with slocs, but I'd swap Soto and Pie
by RightFieldSucks on Dec 12, 2007 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't saying what I'd do...
I would like that
I agree about Pie . . . .
Last week's rumor about Figgins for CF was interesting -- too bad it didn't appear to have legs.
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Roberts Is Key...
With Roberts, Soriano will drop down in the order. No question about it. Piniella mentioned this.
That said, any thoughts on Lee batting 4th and Fukudome batting 3rd, or something like this?
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/comments/2007/12/11/23212/619/158#158
(with other commentary)
Now let's get some pitching.......
Maybe, maybe not
I've mentioned this before. Why not Bedard? Media says Cubs aren't intersted? Huh? This stemmed from someone's diary about a Tiger's-like mega-deal. Got me thinking; Roberts AND Bedard.
I posted more detail in another diary this morning on this topic. Now that Fukudome is "Coming to America", I'd absolutely love to see Jimbo pull-off this deal and make Lou very, very happy.
Amen brother
Where Did You Hear This Interview?
DeRosa has stated that he will play whereever Piniella wanted him to play. He wants to stay a part of this team. He is living a dream... playing baseball for the best team on the planet -- the Chicago Cubs.
Now, as a business man, I am sure most players will say this about our team. Most of the time you can tell when a player is being genuine; I think DeRosa is genuine here.
One thing I heard on 670 was something I believe in: every team needs a (super-)sub. What team would have a better one if the Cubs could have DeRosa play this role? This should not be considered a bad thing, but rather a huge compliment. DeRosa is versatile enough that he can do it -- and this was one of the main reasons why he was signed last year.
re: Where Did You Hear This Interview?
I heard it on ESPN,,,
I didn't hear
That's his Ivy League education shining through. A carefully crafted statement. Translated: "I want to play second base but more importantly, I just want to play. If they want me to play somewhere else, that's OK."
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
So you think...
I'm very excited about this.
"FUKUDOME!"
Happy they got him, but . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah right
I don't think I was bashing Hendry
I don't think that I've ever bashed Hendry on this site (I have on the Trib), but since you asked,
Rusch, Marquis, a trio of Perez, Enrique Wilson and Macias at the same time (!), going after Matsui, Maddux for Izturis, Kendall . . .
Yes, Hendry's made some good acquisitions, but by and large after the 2003-2004 offseason, he's become fixated with mediocre players or players who are past their prime -- or both.
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not a big Hendry defender
- Lilly was a lot better signing than Zito or Schmidt who many people wanted.
- Walker for Ceda and Bynum for Hart were pretty good dumps for cheap prospects that look pretty good.
- Rusch wasn't a bad pitcher for 2 of his 3 years in Chicago. In fact, in 2004 you could say he was good with an ERA+ of 124 and a 6-2 record as a swing man including 16 starts.
- Maddux for Izturis to me is a non-issue. He wasn't going to get Kemp or Ethier in that deal. Maybe he could have gotten a better prospect but I don't know what the offers were. The Dodgers seem to value their better prospects and don't seem to trade them.
- Kendall gave the Cubs want they expected. His defense was poor but offensively .270/.362/.356 was about what you would expect. He didn't cost them much. It's not like there are many catchers available midseason. I don't think anyone could have predicted the complete Barrett meltdown after the 2006 season he had.
- He has resigned the Cubs free agents that he wanted. Ramirez' deal especially appeared to be below market.
- To some extent I think he was hampered by the tight Tribune purse strings. They seemed to open them up last year.
Fair enough
Rusch had a great 2004, but he was always a journeyman, and giving him 2 years (or Perez) was not necessary. Same for 3 years for Jones.
Not sure that I agree about the Trib's purse strings -- a lot of teams during the last 25 years won more games with lower payrolls. They spent money -- just not correctly.
Hendry probably isn't the total idiot that some make him out to be, but he's not the Branch Rickey that others like to think he is, either.
I'll give him this -- he appears to be listening to Piniella, who I think has had a MAJOR influence on the composition of the roster. And I'm glad KF is a Cub -- it's a potential high upside with relatively low risk.
OBP. Wow. What a concept! Now let's get a starter or two . . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Cool comment in Sullivan's Trib article today
Oh, if Harry was still around
Kosuke Fukudome spelled backwards is...
I can hear it now
Eee-kooo....suck.
"Boy Steve, I sure hope that doesn't sound as bad as I think it does. Hey Arne, take a look at all those boats out there on the lake. What a great day at beautiful Wrigley Field. Two and oh on the handsome young Japanese right fielder, runner on 2nd, 1 out, Cubs leading 4 nothing."
A beautiful vision
by NWIowaCubFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
MOIS-AY
"MOISSSAAY Alou
Moiseeey ALooo"
"HIDEEEEEOH NOMO
HIDEAAAAA NOMO"
Ahhh, Harry...
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
...or something like that...
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Hector Millnanaveva
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Lol...
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Man, Padres fans absolutely hate
They can take a long walk off a short pier.
The point is, their organization is a joke. I know they have managed to win a bit recently, but they have done nothing in the playoffs since '98. If you want your only fond playoff memories to be getting destroyed in the '98 and '84 World Series, be my guest.
They have fantastic pitching. I know this. Their offense was a joke last year, and it will probably be even worse this year.
Don't blame the Cubs for John Moores' unwillingness to sign someone who can actually hit the ball.
Geez...
Does that mean they'd be jumping
Padres fans are irrational
Their 'enemies' should be the Dodgers and the Giants, by any stretch of the imagination. But perhaps they resent the fact Cubs fans fill up Petco every year when the team comes to town.
Whatever. They've been to the World Series more times in the past 30 years than we have, but still, they whine about the "Cubs." Their ire should be directed at owner John Moores.
The small-market mentality -- it persists here, and shows no signs of letting up.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 12, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't been
I'm almost being serious. In the section I was sitting in, in the lower section down the third base line, there were zero Padres fans.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2007 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
It means Murton is traded
I also hear the Padres are looking for an OF.
Murton...
Murton Was Supposedly...
FWIW.
Agreed
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Nate Silver weighs in at BP Unfiltered
As well as projecting Fukudome to hit .289/.401/.504 which is better than most of the projections in the BCB thread on the topic, he also suggests a lineup I am not hearing anywhere else a lineup he says "could easily be the best in the National League":
Fukudome, RF
DeRosa, 2B
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Soriano, LF
Soto, C
Pie, CF
Cedeno, SS
Rosenthal also posts a lineup at Foxsports which we are not seeing anywhere else for good reason:
Roberts/Figgins, 2B
Fukudome, RF
Derrek Lee, 1B
Aramis Ramirez, 3B
Soriano, LF
Ryan Theriot, SS
Geovany Soto, C
Felix Pie/Sam Fuld, CF
I just don't get why everyone wants to bat Soriano 5th behind Aramis Ramirez. We've done the whole Soriano bats .100 OPS points better from the leadoff hole thing here before, but besides that, if you are going to move him down, why put him after Ramirez where his ability to use his speed is hampered?
If I had to move Soriano out of the leadoff hole, let's say someone held a Sun-Times to my head and threatened to read aloud 5 hours of He Who Must Not Be Read, then I might look at
Roberts
Lee
Soriano
Fukudome
Ramirez
Soto
Theriot/Cedeno
Pie
(I'm adding Roberts name here because the only way Sori moves from the leadoff spot is if there is another leadoff hitter in-house who has less SLG than Sori.) How many runs does that actually gain you over hitting Lee 3rd, Sori 1st, and Roberts 2nd?
.401 OBA, .504 SLG?
I'd be shocked by those numbers...
Anything in the .800-.850 OPS range would seem reasonable to me. If he hit .900+, I'd be VERY pleasantly shocked.
Shocked?
Not saying that Fukudome posts numbers as good as those projected above, but I don't think its inconceivable that Fukudome reaches those numbers, even if they are better than what Matsui acheived...
Second actually...
by SouthernCub on Dec 12, 2007 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that's true...
Yeah, let's back off on prove there.
Judging by that math
I wonder what Bedard's predicted numbers would be pitching in the anemic NL Central (more specifically, pitching for the Cubs)
While you're at it, see if you can find Hill's predicted numbers would be pitching in the AL East (more specifically pitching for the Orioles)
Thanks.
I actually like Rosenthal's lineup
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
I should have said
But what's the Figgins thing all about?
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Who's the not must be read person?
As for the lineup, I would guess Pie is gone if Roberts is here; just over a 50-50 chance.
What isn't a great read
other than that, he's great.
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
re: Nate Silver weighs in at BP Unfiltered
Which is exactly why...
We have endlessly debated whether Soriano should be moved down in the lineup. The bottom line on this is: he's got his mind made up that he hits better leadoff, and there is some evidence that this is true. Whether he might drive in more runs hitting elsewhere is irrelevant; the fact is, Soriano IS going to hit leadoff. Thus, I think we should, in discussing lineup construction, assume that and continue from there.
(And I wouldn't hit Pie anywhere but 8th, either.)
re: Which is exactly why...
Jersey...
What is the reason? This is the only picture I could find of him with the Dragons and he's rocking "Fukudome" on his jersey.

Ah, its semantics
Take a look at that smooth step, the ability to fully extend or keep his arms in, planting the lead foot and awesome hip torque with a smooth swing.
Oooh baby, that high OBP!
I don't care if it says
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
I'd probably vote...
Right, but...
I'm guessing it goes something like...
We Should All Know Soon Enough...
Very happy
FOOOOOOOOO....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....DOEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....MAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our long national nightmare is finally over. Welcome, Kosuke!!!
happy day
Why are we still trying to replace Derosa? I know it would be nice to have the "super-sub" thing going, but doesn't he deserve the job? Please someone explain to me why he is not automatically penciled in at 2nd. Its not like he can't play a bit at 3rd, 1st and RF if necessary.
Please , don't make
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Dubya's claim of victory
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
I am still amazed that people think...
P.S. - I drive an S.U.V.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 12, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not to get into politics too much, but
The statement made via the banner - per Dubya - was that major combat operations in Iraq had ceased. On May 1st, 2003. Definitely not the case.
That said - how 'bout them Cubbies?!?
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe we'll get treated
Love that quote, Ryno
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all for B-Rob
Do not hold your
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Al- you handicapped it
I heard an interview with Mark DeRo which was referred to by a couple posters - from ESPN 1000, a couple days ago.
He understands how good Brian Roberts is, but really is not interested in playing the OF. Its a tough spot for him, and I like the guy quite a bit.
It was his admission that getting AB's with the upgrades the team now has, and possibly could get with Roberts, will be very challenging. I hope in the worst way he is not traded as he is like our own Jose Oquendo, only better!
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply actions
About DeRosa...
He played this role quite well for the Rangers in 2006.
doubt he'll start at short that often
everyday guy
He had the third most RBI (72), 4th highest BA among the regulars (.293).
But yes, his versatility and the fact he can play nearly every position is his biggest asset.
by Willgly on Dec 12, 2007 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd like to see him as an everyday guy.
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
dero....hmm
If you missed the interview
The guy is a competitor. He himself stated that's he's a team player first during the interview. He felt that there was chemistry developing betw. ss & 2B with he and The Riot, but realizes he wants the team to be stronger.
Also, he realizes his play on the field is not too shabby.
He was not in any stretch "whining", but being very candid, which I for one, really appreciate. I have no problem with someone who is reluctant to give up their job when they can "bring it" too.
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Loud, sustained applause.
did not hear the interview
and i dont know why "whining" was in quotes, i never said he was whining, again, just going off of what you had said from the interview. it definitely struck me as odd, because i had viewed derosa as a "team guy" as most do.
DeRosa's role
I think if Roberts comes in and takes the starting 2B job that DeRosa's role is more like the ultimate insurance policy against injury. Sure he'll still get his "super-utility" at bats and plenty of pinch hitting. But he could easily fill injury gaps at 1B, 2B, 3B, LF and RF, leaving only CF, SS and C backup roles to be filled.
I think having a starting quality backup that is so versitile is huge. I would have felt a lot better if DeRosa was around when DLee was hurt.
Not many teams have a guys like DeRosa, and not many players would have the mental makeup to flourish in that role. Sure Derosa wants to start but I think he's the kind of team first player who will accept the role, and probably end up playing full time when some one goes down.
To continue my earlier posts....
http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espnradio1000/sectional?id=wspodcasts
It's from the Mon. Dec 12 show.
I think serves as corroboration for both me and The Eman.
Correction: Monday, December 10th Show
Is this big news or what?
Yeah no kidding -
by lostinthevines on Dec 12, 2007 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
I already did.
re: I already did.
I'm glad the Padre's hate us.
Absolutely!
by AlabamaCubFan on Dec 12, 2007 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
84 and 07
Oh well.
Payback's a monster ain't it.
And I hope Soriano dances all over the place next time we see them.
Yeah, sorry Padres fans...
Yay!
A lineup of Soriano, Kosuke, Lee, Ramirez, Derosa, Soto, Theriot, Pie would be pretty sweet... getting Roberts and moving Soriano down in the order a bit would be even better!
by Willgly on Dec 12, 2007 9:15 AM CST reply actions
Al, i think you mischaracterized
Oh, and the Padres fans still hate us, even more after this signing.
Some padre fans probably dislike cub fans in general, but i'm pretty sure the padre fan sentiment is disappointment in the "fairness" of major league baseball. The rational reaction anyway. Sure, you may get a couple of irrational reactions to blame the fans of another franchise but using that would be a dishonest way to characterize a general sentiment.
Simple geographics have the dodgers, angels, cubs, red sox and yankees as more capable of competing than other clubs. It's only greed and incompetence that doesn't have all of these teams constantly dominating.
Don't you think it's completely reasonable to express frustration at the two levels of baseball economics at play here?
The brewers need an outfielder, too, but they were never in the fukudome sweepstakes because it was clear that overpaying for him was required. I think this is a great signing for the cubs, and also a great signing for the rest of the small markets in the NL central.
Jealous, envious? yes. hateful? doubtful.
Padres fans hate us
Clearly, the reverse never happens.
You don't think Padres fans hate the Cubs?
i did read it
it's like a bully stealing a kid's lollipop on the playground, and instead of walking away the bully creates a scene to make sure all the other kids see that the kid who just had his lollipop stolen is crying. ha-ha.
obviously i can sympathize with padre fans here.
anyway, congrats on the signing, may have to reconsider my policy on cub games at miller park to see the great fukudome play.
:)
A classy Brewer fan!
There is a very vocal minority that prefer to whine more about the Cubs fans than root for the Brewers (the same ones who forget about baseball when GB opens camp), but it's nice to see that sportsmanship isn't dead!
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
"hateful? doubtful." no, thats wrong
"i hate the cubs!"
"f the cubs!"
"oh and f the brewers too!!"
ok kidding on the last one, but really, there are plenty of padres fans who are hateful towards the cubs. and let them be, who cares? there's always been bad blood, barrett a couple years ago, the dlee/chris young non-fight of last year. i love a good hateful rivalry, bring it!
"discovered by the germans in 1904, they named it san diego, which of course in german means a whale's vagina"
I like this quote...
re: I like this quote...
Anchorman quote
I'd back off on that one
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 12, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, Al's right
Teams that I take extra satisfaction when the Padres manage wins against them:
- Dodgers
- Cubs
- Giants
- Diamondbacks
- Mets
- Rockies
Also, that thread that Al links to is extra harsh because the Diarist accused Padres fans of being "fairweather" for not wanting Fukudome to do well for the Cubs. Lots of reasons to call Padres fans "fairweather", but rooting against the Cubs isn't one of them.
And, of course, your
Do you even go?
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Dude, don't get weird
Some people wonder why Wrigley Field continues to sell out even in terrible Cubs seasons, thereby giving ownership plenty of reason not to improve the club. So which group of fans is more reasonable?
We are all mentally flawed...
P.S. Go Cubs!!!! Padres Suck!!! I hate Steve Garvey!!!
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 12, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Dex.
i can see hating the franchise, i do too (in fact i dislike any corporation that takes advantage of their customers). I also take extra pleasure in beating the cubs, i think all baseball fans do. (cubs fans: its cause you are so well 'traveled').
But i considered the implication that people hating other people was over the top. the us versus them thing. all designed to pick a fight.
anyway, you shouldn't feel bad about not getting fukudome, i think towers made a mistake allowing the pursuit to be public, he knew they were going to be outpid and someone would overpay. (psst: maybe you guys can swing a trade for matt murton to fill that hole?)
and really i just replied to say i enjoy your stuff over at gaslampball.com, it's great!
Just one of those things
Also, thanks! I hate the Brewers too (after spoiling our season using the son of our greatest player), so don't feel left out. :)
i don't hate the padres.
also, you don't need to explain the "lots of cub fans in san diego thing" not to me anyway... i think there are more here in wisconsin. (which is north of illinois, but not by too much... lil' help for you west coasters).
;)
cheers mate, good luck.
oh wait, i remember something about the padres
we were at a padres game in miller park, must've been '04, though i thought burroughs committed an error but i can't find the game...
anyway... sitting on the third base side maybe 4th row, we were fulfulling our duty as baseball fans. maybe once an inning... "burrrrr-ooooooughs"... nice and long, and just once... unlike those kids today who repeat it too many times and add the all predictable "you suck" to the end." we like to let the name linger in the air...
by the 6th inning or so an annoyed fan in front of us turned around, he could've been burroughs' twin, and said "do you mind? that's my cousin."
after that game burroughs was never the same player...
wait, wait. found it... definitely this game cause the error was early (bottom of 1st) and we only decided to heckle after a horrid boot which led to a 2-out 2 run homer in the next at bat.
ha, good times, i think it might have been that game where i said "wait, the padres aren't from south dakota!"
Lee or Fukudome should be the
Dusty is calling Prior and he'll be the Reds opening day starter, because he loves Dusty so much.
Regarding Padres Fan...
And, of course
Garvey is a pariah in this town for various reasons, I don't know why they even retired his number. Whenever is called upon to do something in MLB, he is always identified as a Dodger.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 12, 2007 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
there is nothing more heartwarming ..
Whether Fukudome is the splash he's being made out to be still remains to be seen.
But listening to feral Padres fans foaming over how many ways they want to see him literally DIE is absolutely uplifting in an oddly perverse kind of way, especiallly since hours ago he was hailed as the Sensei of the franchise ..
ROTFLMMDO
w00t!
re: w00t!
Arigato
by No Southern Belle on Dec 12, 2007 9:43 AM CST reply actions
Kosuke's Temper...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qkw8b3RhKrY
Where's K-Zone?
Wasn't this like a replay of a Naked Gun scene? I was waiting for the umpire to start doing the moon walk and splits!
I doubt that it is.
Never saw Dawson do it again.
So Dawson is one of the 2,863 players...
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 12, 2007 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
He was...
haha i love it
This is sad and funny...
You gotta laugh at a grown man temper tantrum.
Another set of projections...
re:gaslampball
I used to post there
I gave up because of the immaturity of the posters and the readers.
Strangely enough, I'd go back to look and see my name invoked. I must have made a hell of an impression, since I acted like an adult.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 12, 2007 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
fukudome!
Not only is this stupid, it's unreadable.
Then you should have started the diary. Apparently, you forgot to. Must have been an oversight on your part. Obviously, you'll be quick to correct that next time.
(ps. sorry, couldn't resist, i know... i know...)
Thanks for being the diary police.
</sarcasm>
And, as if on cue
Since others here have more important items to read, I'll point out that one of the diaries was written by a Dodgers fan who had hit the Crown Royale before posting, another was a critique of TBS -- a similar diary had been posted here. For my critique of TBS's miserable coverage of Rockies-Padres, I was flamed for that. I have to admit I was surprised I was attacked for a critique of TBS -- but, I get busted on anything I post, since I'm a 'known' Cubs fan. (Obviously, by clicking on the title of the diary, above my post -- you can see all the posts, and how mine fits into the sequence.) Apparently, I shouldn't waste my time over there. Lesson learned.
Sarcasm, if you are unaware, is a form of humor, which adults can recognize, and enjoy!! If you go to today's Gaslamp posting you will see many examples of childish, stupid observations, many directed at Cubs fans, others directed at Fukudome.
They don't deserve any more mention.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 12, 2007 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
You Know What Is Nice?
"Kosuke Fukudome of
4 years/about $48M (2008-11)
signed 12/12/07 as a free agent from Japan (Chunichi)
agent: Joe Urbon
ML service:"
:-D
Update "Math Help" - Payroll Discussion
The Cubs payroll was at $99M (I assume this was prior to us cutting ties with Barrett, so I included him).
We've seen varying reports of payroll fluctuating. We've seen $115M, $125, and most recently $135M! Assuming payroll is $125M, the delta is $26M to play with.
So far, we've shed some payroll:
- Jones/Infante: Add $3M
- Floyd: Add $3M
- Barrett: $4.6M
- Ohman: $1.6M
- Rusch: $3.25M
We've added some payroll:
Increase on existing players' contracts:
- Zambrano increases from 12.4 to 15: add $2.6M
- Soriano increases from 9 to 13: add $4M
- Ramirez increases from 8 to 14: add $6M
- Lilly increases from 5 to 7: add $2M
- DeRosa increases from 2.75 to 4.75M: add $2M
- Eyre increases from 3.5 to 3.8: add $0.3M
- Wood increases from 1.75 to 4.2: add $2.45M
- Lee is flat
- Howry is flat
Increase on new acquisitions:
- Fukudome: $12M
- Lahey: $0.4M
- Ascanio: $0.4M
Total: ($32.15M)
Now, let's get our final figure of money to increase:
( $26M + $15.45 - $32.15M ) = $9.3M
Assuming we shed Marquis' salary (6.375 in '08), that's almost $15.7M for us to work with!
Go shopping - there's a speedster and starting pitcher to be had!!
And here's an update...
Updated...
Nicely done
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
A Couple More Thoughts...
With this, Hill, Marmol, Wuertz, etc. can be dropped down, and Soto, Pie, Hart, etc. can be bumped up. Bump those up that, in your best estimation, will be on the 25-man roster.
(b) What is the "Salary owed other teams" value of $1.5M for? I thought JJ's was $2M.
You're killing me here.
Jones
from: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/detroit-tigers_21.html
I'll update the spreadsheet and send you copy.
I believe the minimum salary
The Biz of Baseball - Minimum Salary.
It was $380,000 in 2007.
I like the thought
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 12, 2007 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting Notes From Levine
The Rangers offered the most money.
The White Sox were not outbid - they offered about the same as the Cubs. However, Fukudome did not want to displace Jermaine Dye from right field.
Fukudome was just intrigued by the Cubs, and liked the idea of being their first Japanese player."
from MLBTR
One thing that says to me is....
Hope i am wrong
His numbers will probably fall in line with most players making 3 to 4 million a year. It always bothers me when someone has his best year, usually they are followed by an lesser year (it stands to reason) plus even Hendry has said it may take him a year to adjust, 12-14 million for on the job training sound like a waste, we should have spent that money on pitching
but then again i hope i am wrong.
re: Hope i am wrong
What free agent pitchers would you like to see in a Cubs uni?
good question
I just think that free agency is not always the best plan, i would rather us look inside and build for a better run than going for all in one shot.
I know that everyone wants to win now, but i would rather us be more like atlanta than florida, yeah its great to win a world series. but, i know i am in the minority, i would win the division for 8 of 10 years and at least have a change each year.
I just dont see how continuing on the path of each year we will go and get a 12-15 million dollar guy to FIX it NOW approach is the best. If are not careful we will end up with a average age of 35 and a payroll of 175 million in a couple of years.
by cubsfaninkc on Dec 12, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
re: Hope i am wrong
In regards to bringing in Japanese revenue, that sounds good, but read an article in the Boston Herald recently about how Boston really only picked up one revenue source (Funai Electronics) that they could really say came from Dice-K's presence. (However, that might be because Dice-K is a pitcher that you can show only every 5 days)
So while it may increase revenue a bit, it doesn't really change the economics of signing him. But as mentioned I think that in this free agent market and for 4 years it was a smart deal
by mutzweiser on Dec 12, 2007 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think this'll be a great signing for the Cubs.
P.S.- Al, thanks for posting the correct pronunciation of his name...I've been wondering if I had it right for weeks now.
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 12:39 PM CST reply actions
nice to see some action from the cubs
1. as for the batting order, how about moving lee up in order? his power numbers were down last year, but he is still a patient hitter with a bit of speed who can pound out some doubles. whether we like it or not, soriano will most likely be leading off in april. if his legs are 100% this is not necessarily a bad thing. something like this:
soriano
lee
fukudome
ramirez
soto
could be a good top of the lineup, especially if soto continues to hit like he did in september...
2. i have no problem with dero at 2b next year, but this lineup is still a bit heavy on the right-handers - especially if pie's hitting woe's continue. either way it turns out, i think dero will play often due to lou's regular use of double switches. versatility is a big thing for this team. if pie is still hitting poorly i think we will see fukudome in the same center/right role as jones last year - with pie replacing dero as a defensive upgrade late in games.....
...... and hey cubs fans, isn't it nice to have something substantial to discuss! ;-)
that's putting
my 2 cents
.02 ramirez is a good cleanup hitter and i don't think we should move him down unless the pitching matchup is poor for him....
Either Soto is a ML player or he's not...
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 12, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
if the Cubs get Roberts
Roberts
Lee
Fukudome
Ramirez
Soriano
Soto
Theriot
Pie
agreed
One thing you don't want
change of heart
Roberts
Theriot
Soriano
Ramirez
Lee
Fukudome
Soto
Pie
The 3-5 is debatable to me because I see many advantages to each one of the 3 in all 3 spots. I think Soriano there because I could see him look at it as an insult if he was batting 5, I don't see that problem with DLee. Also, having Ramirez behind him would give him more opportunities to see fastballs I would hope.
Plus, doing the lineup up this way would spread out our lefties and speed. That would be a pretty quick team.
A side note, another thing that excites me is our outfield defense. I realize Soriano misplays some balls, but Pie can make up for a lot of that and there will be 3 guys out there with strong, accurate arms. Something I haven't seen on the Cubs in my short life.
Jersey
I always thought...
I'm not sure exactly why I shared that, but thanks for the explanation anyway.
Not to rain
The Japanese put their family names first. He's properly known as "Fukudome Kosuke." However, the Japanese also know that the West puts the family name last, so they usually switch the order when they give their names to non-Japanese speakers or when they write it in romaji or the Western alphabet, in order to avoid confusion and embarrassment. They're polite that way.
It's been said before, but I'll say it again. It's been assumed that he will put "Kosuke" on his jersey because "Fukudome" can be pronounced by English speakers as an obscenity.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
pronounced by English speakers as an obscenity
The Dutch, being very good English speakers, they thought this was hilarious. Even had the little leaguers learn an English language victory chant: "We are black / we are white / we are VUC-ing dynamite!!!"
"FUK-" nicknames won't offend Kosuke, but if he's sensitive to cultural issues, you're probably right about how he'll choose to be called here.
The White Sox
According to the Sun-Times, the Sox actually outbid us. (Probably not by a lot)
But Kosuke wanted to play for the Cubs because 1) he wanted to be the first Japanese player to play for a particular team 2) he wanted to play right field whereas the Sox wanted him to play left field and 3)Shigetoshi Hasagawa is a friend of his, and Shiggy said that Piniella was great to play for. Lord knows what Shiggy said about Ozzie Guillen.
Left unsaid is that the Cubs are likely to be a better team than the Sox for the next two or three years.
Hasegawa may have been our secret weapon in all of this. He's well-respected in Japan because he learned to speak English fluently and has written a couple of books in Japan on how to learn to speak English. He's also a color commentator for NHK broadcasts of MLB games. And apparently he liked playing for Lou Piniella in Seattle.
The Rangers apparently outbid us too, but the geography rules probably applied here. San Diego beats Chicago but Chicago beats Dallas.
re: The White Sox
Maybe the White Sox...
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 12, 2007 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
re: Maybe the White Sox...
Comic Gold
Another kick in the nuts to Kenny
Iciro
by puckishcubsfan on Dec 12, 2007 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
i feel so bad for the White Sox
by mweil on Dec 12, 2007 3:44 PM CST reply actions
ESPN Around the Horn
I'll respond to my own post
All-in-One Youtube...
We've seen these separately. Better together, with music!
I watched some video of Fukudome earlier
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 12, 2007 5:26 PM CST reply actions
Honesty compels me to say,
Excellent...
HENDRY coming up
LEt's discuss...
by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 7:11 PM CST reply actions
Anyone catch
I have to give up more often
Tuesday I had a bad feeling Fukudome was going to sign with the Padres. Tuesday night he signs.
Now I've decided to be convinced we're not going to get Roberts.
Watch Hendry get him by this time tomorrow.
Re: I have to give up more often
by mweil on Dec 12, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Padres and Angels
PAdres wanted Fukudome.
Angels really wanted Ramirez last year.
I really, really hate
But seriously. Their front page story is the Cubs got Fukudome, the Astros got Tejada and the Brewers got Eric Gagne. Their conclusion? "It's a big week in the NL Central without any clear winner."
OK, I'll buy that it's not clear who will be more valuable, Fukudome or Tejada. I'd rather have Fukudome, but I can see the argument for Tejada. (But us not having to surrender prospects is a big factor in our favor.)
But to equate Eric Gagne with those players is just nuts. This is the same Eric Gagne who had an ERA of 6.75 with Boston last year. The same Eric Gagne who missed two years with injuries. And a closer is never as valuable as a everyday player.
I think they're drinking something a little stronger than beer up there.
josh
- you can't use the last 24 innings of a players performance as the only indication for what he'll do next year. If you did that Jason Marquis is looking at collecting 16+ million dollars for posting a 7+ ERA.
- You are reading far too much into a throwaway line from one writer.
You know, it wasn't a writing effort by all brewer fans, so more correctly you'd write "Jeff's conclusion?"
3. Do you think there is a clear favorite for the NL Central? All Jeff is saying is that despite the moves this week, a clear favorite for the NL Central has not emerged. That's all.
Not to wade in here too deep...
jacob
your an idiot
you hang out here because you dont get enough fun at you own blog
you are here to needle al and nothing more
you just predicted at your blog that the cubs would win 71 games- your an idiot
you tried to whine about pecota being broke because your afraid fukudome is going to be good- therefore you claim to know better than everyone else, then your own blog leader bitch slaps you with actual information and you go silent
cwyers has destoryed you several times here at BCB when you spout off your nonsense and you never respond then either
your a brewer fanboy who is pissed off your team's window wont amount to much because a larger market team can outbuy you. watching you fall apart as the brewers season did over at brewcrewball was almost as fun as winning the division.
just go back to brew crew ball and try and wish the cubs away and keep your fingers crossed for an ERA under 5 from Gagne :)
by ksucubbie on Dec 13, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
While I happen to agree....
you should
by ksucubbie on Dec 13, 2007 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
idiot
at least i don't hide like a coward, behind different names at different sites.
i already responded to all your nonsense at brewcrewball when you made your last post there.
you completely mischaracterize me by suggesting i'm pissed off, or whining or what my motives are, and really it reflects poorly on you. I see why maddog called you an idiot. Even cub fans don't like you.
you responded to an entirely legitimate, non-inflammatory post from me. your post was entirely uncalled for and the equivalent of trolling. I'm embarrassed and disappointed that Al would condone it by "agreeing" with it. Persecute those with different opinions, i guess. Cheers! and good luck!
different names?
as far as maddog or anyone calling me an idiot in 2006 thats fine, if you read what i was posting here in 2006 i would agree, i didnt know much about the game outside of bubble gum cards.
maddog could post that same thing today and i wouldnt care because i dont blog for social validation, i do it to learn more about baseball. Ive been posting at ACB for over a year now on and put up my own work when i want to so i dont think im unwanted. Unlike you being here
What i DO find very intresting is that you who as a brewer fan with seemingly no connection to ACB (or even an awarness of the blog or me alltogether) in 2006 would know where to find the thread that contained that comment. Unless you have been reading multiple cubs blogs for a few years now in additon to posting at your brewers ones (you really must clue me in on your time managment) it would be hard to know the above mentioned things.
This coupled with a few phrases you use, the way you knew my sig here without me telling you and your general posting style points at your partaking in a bit of handle alteration yourself. In fact its pretty obvious to me who you "really" are online and its as pathetic as it is humerous.
Dont worry though, your seceret will be safe with me, I know you need this media outlet to fufill the void in your life.
by ksucubbie on Dec 13, 2007 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Goodbye
by mutzweiser on Dec 12, 2007 9:44 PM CST reply actions
Maddux he ain't
by RightFieldSucks on Dec 12, 2007 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
What a bunch of crying babies...
by Bricks and Ivy on Dec 12, 2007 11:03 PM CST reply actions
Heck my be freezing over
PEople whining about the Cubs spending. Heck is freezing over.
by puckishcubsfan on Dec 12, 2007 11:07 PM CST reply actions
Go Away.
by princefieldersdiet on Dec 12, 2007 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
So where does he hit?
- Theriot
- Fukudome
- Soriano
- Ramirez
- Lee
- Derosa
- Soto
- Pie
- Zambrano
by winkmv on Dec 13, 2007 8:51 AM CST reply actions

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