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The Real, Actual List From The Mitchell Report

Yelloncard_tiny by Al on in News

After the list that was posted in one of the threads earlier this morning was debunked by several sources as being inaccurate, a corrected, complete list was made available. In the interests of fairness, I thought it would be appropriate to post the correct list on the front page of this site, in handy alphabetical order.

For the record, the list contains the following players who have, at one point in their careers, played for the Cubs (I wish to make it clear that this does NOT necessarily imply that these players used PED's while Cubs, nor does it imply in any way that the Cubs organization is culpable): Matt Franco, Jerry Hairston Jr., Glenallen Hill, Todd Hundley, Gary Matthews Jr., Rafael Palmeiro, Todd Pratt, Benito Santiago, Rondell White.

Allen, Chad
Ankiel, Rick
Bell, David
Bell, Mike
Bennett Jr., Gary
Bonds, Barry
Brown, Kevin
Byrd, Paul
Cabrera, Alex
Caminiti , Ken
Carreon, Mark
Christiansen, Jason
Clark, Howie
Clemens, Roger
Canseco, Jose
Cust, Jack
Donnels, Chris
Donnelly, Brendan
Dykstra, Len
Franco, Matt
Franklin, Ryan
Gagne, Eric
Giambi, Jason
Giambi, Jeremy
Gibbons, Jay
Glaus, Troy
Gonzalez, Juan
Grimsley, Jason
Guillen, Jose
Hairston Jr., Jerry
Herges, Matt
Hiatt, Phil
Hill, Glenallen
Holmes, Darren
Hundley, Todd
Jorgenson, Ryan
Justice, David
Knoblauch, Chuck
Laker, Tim
Lansing, Mike
Lo Duca, Paul
Logan, Exavier (Nook)
Manzanillo, Josias
Matthews, Jr. Gary
McKay, Cody
Mercker, Kent
McGwire, Mark
Miadich, Bart
Naulty, Daniel
Neagle, Denny
Morris, Hal
Palmeiro, Rafael
Parque, Jim
Pettitte, Andy
Pratt, Todd
Randolph, Stephen
Rocker, John
Riggs, Adam
Rios, Armando
Roberts, Brian
Santangelo, F.P.
Santiago, Benito
Schoeneweis, Scott
Segui, David
Sheffield, Gary
Stanton, Mike
Tejada, Miguel
Valdez, Ismael
Vaughn, Mo
Velarde, Randy
Villone, Ron
Vina, Fernando
White, Rondell
Williams, Jeff
Williams, Matt
Williams, Todd
Woodard, Steve
Young, Kevin
Zaun, Gregg

If you would like to download a copy of the Mitchell Report, click here. (WARNING! Opens 409-page .pdf file!) I intend to download and read the whole thing at some point, and I'll have more to say about this after I've digested the reports on the two press conferences (watching Selig's right now), and had some time to think about all of it, probably tomorrow.

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Greg Zaun
I said to my 14 year old 2 years ago he was juiced. He coud not even reach the warning track.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zaungr01.shtml

Hit more homeruns and RBI at age 33 - 36 than his whole career.

by parrotinct on Dec 13, 2007 3:45 PM CST   0 recs

The only thing worse than the baseless speculation
...before the report came out, is going to be the flood of gloating "I told you that X was juicing!" comments that have come after.

by Wreckard on Dec 13, 2007 3:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

See I told you so...
...check out this diary from 2 days ago.  

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/story/2007/12/11/164427/32

Sure I was wrong about 3 guys but I was right about 2 of them.  I checked the math on this and pulling things out of your ass at a 40% clip is pretty good.  

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Myass
isn't very reliable
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 13, 2007 4:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That's a .400 avg
I'm the Ty Cobb of crappy predictions

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Surly, drunk
and like to spike people?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 13, 2007 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I'm a Surly drunk....
....but you forgot dispicable racist and overall loathsome individual.

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I didn't want to speculate
; )
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 13, 2007 4:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

There should be..........
no gloating.  IMHO, this is a very sad day.  For baseball, the players, their families, and the fans.

All that being said, this is not the end of this.  The first list of players that was "leaked" was, IMHO, done so to send a message.

I believe that Mitchell only listed players for whom he had both smoke and fire.  The players who were named in the first list were the players for where there was only smoke.  

It will be interesting to see if players like Wood, Prior, Nomar, ect. decide to sue the CNBC.  My guess is that they will not.

This is only the begining.  This is the tip of the iceberg.

"You are an asshole": NDcubsfan

by timeforachange on Dec 13, 2007 5:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They can't sue.
Nor would they want to. As "Public Figures" THEY would have to prove that A. The information is  false B. CNBC KNEW IT TO BE FALSE or was almost psychotically reckless . It is not enough that they made a BIG mistake and may or may not have harmed the
players reputations ( and oh ya they would also have to prove that the listing cost them financial damages). This is why public figures almost never sue  in  the United States and those few who do almost never win. It takes an extraordinary case like
Carol Burnett who showed that the National Enquirer basically
KNEW that that when the published an article claiming she was
drunk in public it was a lie but short of that you just waste money and expose yourself to discovery hell.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Dec 13, 2007 6:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

By naming........
the players in their report, it could be argued that they are limiting their ability to earn a salary.  If innocent of these "charges" I would sue CNBS in a NY Minute.  I would do whatever I could to clear my name and restore my reputation.

FYI, there have been a number of slander suits brought against the "rags" that have been successful.

"You are an asshole": NDcubsfan

by timeforachange on Dec 13, 2007 6:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

VERY few suits are successful
And they are for libel not slander ( written as oppossed to spoken).Even innocent people do NOT want to go through with it
because the burden of proof is nearly impossible if you are a public figure. You literally have to prove that CNBC  postively knew the list was wrong and posted it anyway or were criminally reckless which is an unprovable  standard. CNBC could have been, stupid, greedy, careless etc and cost those players dearly but they would still lose.
Now if they had been CRICKET players it would be another story since the laws are virtually the reverse in the UK in that the publishing party must defent the accuracy of the information and will lose if they do publish false materials.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Dec 13, 2007 7:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I want them to sue
Actually the facts are with the players who they named who weren't on the report.  

MSNBC lied and said they were on the report and they weren't.

I do want them to sue and win and it might stop the media from doing these things.  In their rush to be first not checking sources.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 13, 2007 10:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You are a piece of work....
MSNBC didn't "lie."  They were given leaked information that turned out to not be true.  Blame it on whoever their source was.  Blame the source, ultimately, not MSNBC.  I'm pretty sure they don't go around making these things up randomly.  I'm also pretty sure that this "source" was fairly reliable.

If you can't see the difference between "lying" and being given false information, then I feel really sorry for you.  So please, stop with all this "lying" BS that you keep nagging about in regards to the media.  It's really annoying.

by jjmarie30 on Dec 14, 2007 3:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The rags...
...there have been a number of slander suits brought against the "rags" that have been successful.

I always liked the defense the Weekly World News would use.  It was whatever the legalese version of "Everybody knows we make this stuff up!" is, and they knew very well that the sort of paper (!) that would run headlines like "Green Kids from UFOs Baffle Top Scientists!" is not meant to be taken seriously.  They are now gone, sadly, and supermarket checkout lines are just not the same.

The Enquirer, on the other hand, has seemingly tried to rise to the level of credibility of...well...maybe E!, leaving the real nonsense to the Star and Sun and the like.  Still, I miss the old B&W Weekly World News.  Too weird for words...

by MN exile on Dec 13, 2007 10:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I told you
parrotinct was a speculator!

:)

MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 13, 2007 3:51 PM CST   0 recs

sorry
for the inaccurate name list I posted earlier but I did preface with "rumored list".

I just got done reading the report.  Amazing stuff.

by gocubsgo22 on Dec 13, 2007 3:53 PM CST   0 recs

Why Is Sosa listed?
There was only one reference to Sosa, and was only in regards to his lawyer not responding to Mitchell's request.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Dec 13, 2007 3:54 PM CST   0 recs

I agree
He may have forgot how to speak English but the report does not say anything about him using PED's, HGH, Andro, roids or even Flitstones vitamins.

I think we should remove Sammy from this list.  

PS- this doesn't mean I think he is innocent OR guilty but we should be as fair as possible.

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 3:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Mmmm Flinstone vitamins
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Dec 13, 2007 4:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Selig press conference
I wish the writers strike wasn't going on I'd love to see SNL do a bit on Selig at this press conference.

by grooveska on Dec 13, 2007 3:56 PM CST   0 recs

Don't think it would matter
Frankly, I don't see how SNL could make Selig look any more foolish than he did himself
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 13, 2007 4:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You seem to imply
That SNL is funny even when they DO have writers. I'm confused.

by WittyUserName on Dec 13, 2007 6:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brian Roberts?
Let's see if this cools off the chase for him.  I don't think it will.
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by RightFieldSucks on Dec 13, 2007 3:57 PM CST   0 recs

Roberts and 'Roids
The thing about Roberts is that if he is on the juice first, hair samples can be used for testing to see if he has juiced in recent years to prove his innocence  (if not, he might want to get that crew cut and body wax now).  Second, the question remains, if his performance is enhanced, then why take a chance on a big contract.  One year to prove himself playing while clean.  In other words, if he is clean this coming year and maintains performance then he is cleared.  If not, then we have evidence and can send him on his way.  

I guess my problem is that his numbers aren't THAT much better than DeRo.  And that difference might be because of the juice.

Finally, a lot of BCB'ers always wants to toss our guys for somebody else's problem.  A lot of our young players like The Riot and Marshall just finished their first full year in the show.  Pie was in and out all year and Sam Fuld just at the end of the year.  I'm just glad that Sweet Lou is running the show and will work and develop these players instead of kicking them to the curb the first chance he gets.

I want my Macias!

by wombat on Dec 14, 2007 9:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Isn't it ironic...
 That most of these players have been hurt and needed to "rehab". Look at Rondell White! And I think Farnsworth and John Rocker had some anger issues!
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!

by fuzzycubfan on Dec 13, 2007 4:02 PM CST   0 recs

It still doesn't change the fact.....
....that 2 memories that will always stick out to me in the last 10 years or so involving those guys were Glenallen Hills homerun into the builing across Waveland and Kyle Farnsworth beating the crap of out one of the Reds.

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Paul Wilson
"...and a couple of Haymakers landed"  -Chip
Dear God did he annihilate him.

Replaying that in my head it makes me think, and I may be in the minority, but I miss Chip and Steve.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Dec 13, 2007 4:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Farnsworth's fight was more like a great
football tackle, and the Bears could really use him on Monday night.
A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.

by diehardmark on Dec 13, 2007 4:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Is it fair to include Sosa's name
on your list if he was mentioned only once in the Mitchell Report, on page 85, as someone whose lawyer was sent a letter but did not provide answers?

"(I sent similar letters with specific questions to lawyers for Barry Bonds, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, and Gary Sheffield, none of whom provided answers to my questions either.)"

by flachimesa on Dec 13, 2007 4:04 PM CST   0 recs

All I did was...
... post a list of players who were actually mentioned in the report. I believe everyone should read the entire report -- yes, I know it's almost 400 pages. I intend to do so as soon as I can.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 13, 2007 4:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I do appreciate you providing the list but...
According to your logic doesn't it mean you should provide the names of players like Matt Karchner and Frank Thomas who may not have been implicated but names were still included.
"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Dec 13, 2007 4:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I agree
If Sammy is on the list than you should include Matt Karchner and Frank Thomas as well.

by amisaid on Dec 13, 2007 4:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Based on what?
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 13, 2007 4:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Names
Based on their names appearing in the report.  You had said that your reasoning for including Sammy's name is because he is listed in the report.  Both Frank Thomas and Matt Karchner's names are listed in the report as well but they are not included on your list.

by amisaid on Dec 13, 2007 4:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Where in the report?
If I missed some names, then I should have included them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 13, 2007 5:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Alexander is identified as the
Red Sox infielder in whose car were found anabolic steroids and syringes on p. 97.  (It was just a coincidence that I was on p. 97 in my reading). It does go on to say that he was tested and that the results were negative. And, although he's a former player, he is listed as a Red Sox player, and it had been mentioned earlier that there were no Red Sox in the report.  

by philadelphiacub on Dec 13, 2007 5:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Names
Matt Karchner on page 280

Frank Thomas on page 11, 118, 367

Manny Alexander page 97 and 139

by amisaid on Dec 13, 2007 5:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Are you nuts????????
As much as I despise Frank Thomas, HE COOPERATED with the Mitchell Investigative Team!  I have never seen his name associated with the use of PEDs.
"You are an asshole": NDcubsfan

by timeforachange on Dec 13, 2007 5:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying he is guilty
Al said he put Sammy's name on the list because it appears in the Mitchell report.  It doesn't appear in there because he did anything wrong only in noting that he testified before Congress.  Al responded that the list of names on his list were all player names that appeared in the Mitchell report.  I just named a few other names that are in the report but not on Al's posted list.

by amisaid on Dec 13, 2007 5:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I stand corrected.....
My appologies......
"You are an asshole": NDcubsfan

by timeforachange on Dec 13, 2007 6:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Using That Criteria
Fergie Jenkins is also in the report!
PERRY!!!!

by Goat Whisperer on Dec 13, 2007 7:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

A letter was sent to Sosa's lawyer
This should not implicate Sosa.

by flachimesa on Dec 13, 2007 6:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Adam Piatt
is in the report but not on list. He is mentioned 53 times. He is a former major league player (OAK and TB).

by flachimesa on Dec 13, 2007 8:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

and Larry Bigbie is listed 93 times
but not on the list.

Do you still want names that you left out?

by flachimesa on Dec 13, 2007 8:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Going through the report....
The only mention of Sosa in the entire report was that he was invited to speak to Mitchell, and he nor his lawyer ever responded to the req.

I do not think that makes a worthy case for his name being added to the long list you started the diary with.

Good Guys Wear Blue

by Cubskingdom on Dec 13, 2007 8:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps you should make that distinction clear...
It very much reads as a list of players implicated by the Mitchell report, not a list of names mentioned in the report.

Being mentioned and being implicated are of course very different things, and it isn't remotely clear that you were only referring to names mentioned.

by SouthernCub on Dec 13, 2007 5:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I agree 100%
I am not a fan of Sammy Sosa at all but he is not implicated in this report.

by amisaid on Dec 13, 2007 5:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Re: I agree 100%
He is implicated that he did NOT cooperate with the investiagation. I think there is a reason he did not cooperate - it is the same reason he needed a translator in front of congress.

Guilty

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Dec 13, 2007 8:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

OK, OK...
... I should have made the distinction between names simply MENTIONED in the report, and names of players IMPLICATED in using PED's -- the list in this post is the latter.

Hope that clears it up.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 13, 2007 9:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't you mean the former?
Since Sosa is not IMPLICATED, he's merely MENTIONED.

In the interest of fairness, maybe it would be best actually clarify that in the title (or diary itself), rather than just buried down in the posts?

The natural inclination is to read this list and assume you're listing those players implicated.

by SouthernCub on Dec 14, 2007 8:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

What does this mean
for Clemens legacy?  

Barry Bonds has been the poster boy for records being tainted by PED's but now that someone as celebrated as Clemens being on there, what does this mean?

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 13, 2007 4:07 PM CST   0 recs

This really takes me back
It was 1692...Salem, Massachusetts and the PED's of the day were Tarrot Cards and Ouiji Boards.  All it took was a pissed off neighbor.  

The sources for some of this may be credible may not.  What if just one person is dragged through the mud so Selig can save face?  I don't like it.

I have a hard time casting blame on all of these guys at once.  A quick read of several sections provides information that would never hold up in a court of law.  There is WAAAAAY too much heresay and circumstantial evidence.

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:15 PM CST   0 recs

What needs to happen...
.... for total disclosure, is the commisioner needs to sit each every player, current and hopefully former, and give them a chance to first defend themselves.

Second, the player should be given a 50/100 games suspension.  That player should be given the oppurtunity to assist with the ongoing investigation, by supplying more names/evidence to find the rest of the users.  If that player reveals names of players that can be proven to have been users, their suspension could be cut in half.

Then, and only then can this be put to rest.

What a Black Thursday for Baseball!!

"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive it isn't". ~ Richard Bach

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 13, 2007 4:28 PM CST   0 recs

So I have a 100 game suspension
I name Bonds, Grimsley, Giambi, Tejada, G. Hill, Kent Mercker and Eric Gagne.

There my suspension is cut in half.  Yeah for me!

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Looking through the report...
... it appears that every player was given the opportunity to meet with Mitchell, and virtually all of them declined.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 13, 2007 4:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I mean they should..
..meet with Bud or get suspended for the full lenght of their suspension (50/100games), this would be different then meeting with Mitchell.
"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive it isn't". ~ Richard Bach

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 13, 2007 4:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So just because their was a rat....
..in the Yankee and Met clubhouses all those guys should be suspended?  I'm not using rat as a derogatory term but if all this info was gleaned from just 3-4 major sources then guys in clubhouses who didn't have a leak go scott free?  

This report was anything but fair...take a look at how many current Red Sox there are....ZERO.  And which team does Mitchell sit on the board of?  The Red Sox.

Though FP Santangelo does need to be suspended and we need to put an asterisk next to every hit he ever got.

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I Think
the overall point of the Mitchell report is being missed by many.  Fair or unfair, this is what Senator Mitchell came up with.  Whether or not he is protecting the Red Sox is irrelevant.  The report is out.  This is MLB's first step toward fixing what is almost universally seen as a major problem.

Suspensions by Selig, without better evidence in most cases, will be the fuel with which the players' union may well litigate for the next thousand years.  Unless there is agreement between Selig and Fehr I doubt we'll see mass suspensions, if any.

The court of public opinion, however, will force many players (Clemens) into retirement and others into less than desirable negotiating positions vis-a-vis new contracts.

For anyone to think the report would have somehow been the final word is really short sighted.  It is simply the equivalent of an official letting of the cat-out-of-the-bag.

The game has received a black eye.  There will, no doubt, be many more bumps and bruises before it is over.  I fear this is only the beginning and I don't feel any differently than I did yesterday.  The fact is, it will be years before any of us know the real story.

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Dec 13, 2007 6:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Paging Sen. McCarthy...
"Mr. Clemens, are you, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?"

Investigations are fine.  Calling upon players to snitch upon other players to get their sentence reduced?

Not so much.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 13, 2007 4:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The denial
"My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!" -Grandpa Simpson

by Kooter on Dec 13, 2007 4:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Forget disclosure
Full random blood testing in and out of season is the only possible answer.  Cycling and track and field get trashed by lots of people but they are really trying to clean up things.  That is why you see people busted all the time in the Olympics.  A lot of stick and ball sports people in the USA trash on these sports for being dirty.  Well guess what - your sports are just as dirty.
I want my Macias!

by wombat on Dec 14, 2007 9:21 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wood
Glad he's not on it.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Dec 13, 2007 4:32 PM CST   0 recs

Me too
Can't believe it, actually. I thought he'd be on it
"We are going to light up the SB Nation server farm like a Christmas tree." - cwyers

by NittanyCub on Dec 13, 2007 5:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Heh...
He was a whole lot skinnier last year...

>8)

by Shawon O Meter on Dec 13, 2007 5:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It sounds like very little was obtained...
other than the BALCO stuff and whatever the two "witnesses" reported.  Those guys weren't affiliated with the Cubs, so it's not that surprising that more Cubs aren't named.

For what it's worth, it doesn't sound like this list of names is very good.  There are likely to be some names on the list who DIDN'T do steroids, and many names omitted who DID.

by SouthernCub on Dec 13, 2007 5:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Several of the players mentioned
have very flimsy links to possible steroid use.  I didn't read the whole report but I think the general commentary is good unfortunately the list of names will take away from the better parts of the report.

by rlpete on Dec 13, 2007 5:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

on MLB.TV..
...the cardinals are having a freaking press conference.

About the former and current (Franklin and Ankiel) being in the report. The dude also praises the Cardinals players/employees/coachs for their cooperation.  And how they sumitted all documents for Senetor Mitchell.

WHOPPEY-DO-DA-DEE!! congrat-u-f'en'-lations, I think thats what your suppose to do.  

Man if every club has one of these 'jokes', its going to be a long, long, day!

"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive it isn't". ~ Richard Bach

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 13, 2007 4:40 PM CST   0 recs

Great Job Mcfail
So you traded one Juiced up player (Sosa) for another juiced up player(Hairston). Now I have another reason to hate Dykstra.
A good day for me is a cubs win and a sox loss.

by diehardmark on Dec 13, 2007 4:45 PM CST   0 recs

That's just a sickening list.
Some of those names in particular really make me sick to my stomach.

I'll wait until I read the report in its entirety before I make too many judgments. Really, really sad.

by Mark H on Dec 13, 2007 5:01 PM CST   0 recs

Why?
Not one name surprises me.  In fact, I know the real list of users is quite a bit longer.  

by rlpete on Dec 13, 2007 5:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

A few comments
The press conferences... Selig came out worse than I expected, Fehr better than I did. I will admit that I missed part of Selig's presser but no where did he sound contrite or willing to accept any of the blame. Perhaps this came after the local ESPN radio station here (Austin) went back to local broadcasting. Selig sounded like the typical gasbag that he is. Every Selig speech is filled with arrogance and I thought on a day like today, he'd get off of his high horse. Nope.

Fehr, who I have always loathed actually admitted that they were late to act and certainly seemed calm, unwilling to yell down the report. Fehr did a great job straddling the fence, protecting his union players named but also not closing the door on the real issue.

I do believe that there is a lot more out there and Steve Phillips actually did a great job articulating that. Yes, some names appeared but as Phillips said, there was no middle ground, a few stars named, then a ton of scrubs. To me, this doesn't really put much to rest. There are dozens of Kirk Radomskis and Brian McNamees out there.

DmL

by dmlichte on Dec 13, 2007 5:38 PM CST   0 recs