Tuesday Morning Rumor Mill
There's some real quality here, kids. Let's kick it old school.
Is there news on Kosuke Fukudome? Yes! No! Maybe!
Gordon Wittenmeyer says the Cubs arethe frontrunners for Fukudome's services, according to sources on both sides of the negotiations. The other dailies strike slightly less bullish tones, with Bruce Miles highlighting the fact that Fukudome's agent isn't even at the meetings. This shoots down rumors from MLB.com's official rumormongering blog that the Cubs and Joe Urbon had met today. The Trib highlights Hendry's downplaying the subject.
Here's the gist, from my reading: The Cubs are trying to be respectful of the Japanese clubs that are still trying to negotiate with Fukudome, who is not technically a Major League free agent yet. The Cubs may be the front runners, but Fukudome's camp is still trying to narrow down the bidders to begin serious negotiations. The Cubs don't expect to land Fukudome until after the meetings, even if they do land him. And the general feeling is that the Cubs are serious about this and plan on blowing other teams out of the water early with a substantial offer.
On the other hand, Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal says the Padres have become a serious rival in the Fukudome negotiations. Ugh. Update [2007-12-4 10:29:49 by cwyers]: The NY Post says the Cubs have no interest in Wilkerson or Jenkins; also that an Adam Dunn deal fell through earlier this offseason, presumably before Dunn's option was exercised.
On most days, this would be enough grist for the mill. But today, this just gets us started.
More Plan Bs are leaking out. It's quickly becoming apparent that anyone who doesn't think Josh Hamilton is on the Cubs' radar doesn't know anything about the Cubs' needs this offseason or the way Jim Hendry thinks. P-Sully says the Reds have asked for Sean Marshall in exchange for him. Miles and Wittenmeyer also float the name. Update [2007-12-4 10:30:52 by cwyers]: Another article, from the Reds' side of things.They haven't decided to deal Hamilton yet; Sean Gallagher's name also floats up here. Of course, there's also the wild idea that they're trying to get Lincecum. Riiiight.
Sullivan also says the Cubs could swing a deal for Nate McLouth. I'm not sure how enthusiast I am about that idea, but Sullivan goes on to say that one of Ohman/Pignatiello/Cotts should do the trick. I choose you, Neal Cotts! Apparently the Braves and Rockies are also interested in Will Ohman.
Speaking of the Reds, apparently Dusty Baker feels like he hasn't shredded Prior's arm enough yet; they're asking after him. ESPN's Jerry Crasnick says there's no love lost between him and the Cubs, making a trade more likely. San Diego is still the most-linked team to a Prior trade deal. The Union-Trib (already my least favorite newspaper) says that the Friars could be "dangling" Tim Stauffer and Paul McAnulty. Yay?
Ryan Dempster could become part of the Blue Jay's plans to bring more Canadian players back home.
Sullivan also mentions that the Cubs seem to think that Tyler Colvin could be ready to play center as soon as 2009, and that he'll probably start the year at Iowa.
Oh, and if all this trade talk somehow bores you: Mark Cuban to the rescue! He's still interested, even if nothing's happening on TribCo's end. Jay Marriotti somehow turned this nugget of info into a column that twice crashed my web browser; if Mark Cuban is not enough gasbag for you, Google it yourself.
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By the way...
Am I allowed to hate the Red Sox yet? Really? Good.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 1:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Allowed to Hate the Red Sox?
If they go out and do another face-stomp on the Yankees in 2008, then I'll be satisfied, at least for a little while. Then you'll have my blessing to hate the Carmines. (No - I did NOT just use a Hawk-ism, did I? Oh. My. God. I gone.)
by ballhawk on Dec 4, 2007 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks. i love these diaries.
by buckmulligan on Dec 4, 2007 2:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I deleted
My comments carried over are "Pity the poor employee. Dusty wants to finish the job."
And don't forget that Soriano speaks Japanese and Piniella was Ichiro's manager. That gave him a bit of fame on the other side of the Pacific.
by Josh77 on Dec 4, 2007 3:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let me add
I'd like to see Dempster go back to Canada. As much as I like the guy, he's pitching on borrowed time. The league is going to catch up to him, if not this year, then next. And we've got too many guys in the minors who could pitch as well as he could.
by Josh77 on Dec 4, 2007 3:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also
by Josh77 on Dec 4, 2007 3:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will Ohman...
by Al on Dec 4, 2007 3:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good One Al.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On Hamilton
I don't think of Hamilton as strictly a Plan B. THe CUbs have a glut of ML-ready or nearly ready back of the rotation starters such as Marshall. I like Marshall, I really do, but I also like Hill, Gallagher, et al.. So, if you can trade Marshall for a guy like Hamilton, Go for it.
I would still go hard after Fukudome, creating options for Jim and Lou.
- Pie could become a valuable trading chip
- Soriano could move back to 2B (imagine the OF defense of Hamilton, Pie, Fukudome!) with DeRosa moving into super sub-role, spelling Hamilton/Pie/A-Ram/Soriano, or, becoming a trade chip himself.
by WGNstatic on Dec 4, 2007 7:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see
by HectorVillanueva on Dec 4, 2007 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure
If you look at his fielding stats at 2B on baseball-reference.com, they are not all that bad (too many errors, but better than average range factor). His career stats, as well as his 2 seasons in texas, suggest that he will make about 4 or so more errors than an average 2B, but will get to a few more balls as well, so things balance out some what.
DeRosa, on the flip side, is at league average for fielding %, but below average in terms of range factor.
Add to this that Lou publicly speculated on that possibility a year ago, and I would not be so certain.
by WGNstatic on Dec 4, 2007 7:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I'm ready to see Soriano at 2B
If Soto is for real, that could give you plus offense everywhere except SS, with very good defense.
by davidalanu on Dec 4, 2007 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
So, the Cubs are rumored to be looking to deal Marquis, have been shopping Dempster around, and are open to trading Marshall. Yet we don't hear anything about them acquiring another starter.
I guess a rotation of Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Gallagher, and one of the above three is possible, with Hart and Holliman waiting in the wings.
by zambranofan on Dec 4, 2007 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching
The reason, I think, we aren't hearing anything about the Cubs' pursuit of another starter is that they aren't certain they can do it. I think they definitely want to, as Perotto said in his Every Given Sunday column, but they don't want to advertise that they are seeking to in case they fail to acquire one.
by DGU on Dec 4, 2007 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano Can Play Second...
Soriano is staying put in the outfield.
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
by jolietconvict on Dec 4, 2007 7:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Could it be
by DGU on Dec 4, 2007 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
by NO100 on Dec 4, 2007 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i really hope they don't trade him within the div.
by buckmulligan on Dec 4, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome!
On Prior, I would much rather the Cubs talk him into an '09 team option than dealing him or letting him walk after '08. If after all this time, the Cubs deal him and he does well somewhere else, I would be very disappointed. It's not like the Cubs will get a whole lot for him now. Take the chance his value will grow after '08. If it does, the Cubs have another starter or more value in a trade.
Hamilton? Got him via rule-5 then dealt him. Now it would be Marshall to get him back? That's too much to give up for a guy who seems like another injury-prone OF. No thanks...
McLouth..., gotta think about that one if Fukudome isn't here.
What can the Cubs get for Dempster from the 'jays?
The fact that they haven't dealt him or Marquis (and taking a financial hit) yet says they're not sure they'll get someone to replace him. Unlike Jones, who was dealt right away leads me to believe Jim is confident on getting an upgrade soon.
Cuban? Ain't gonna happen. Good ol' boys won't let him in.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 4, 2007 8:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
marshall
If the Cubs weren't loaded with starting pitching options, I'd feel different.
by elgato on Dec 4, 2007 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hamilton
hamilton had a homer ever 15 at bats last year, good on-base, his OPS+ of 131 was better than both aramis and soriano, good defense. seriously, he'll be a better offensive force than fukudome next year if im betting money, and wont eat up any payroll.
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 8:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
colvin
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 8:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The quote from Hendry on Colvin...
by SouthernCub on Dec 4, 2007 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs have finally learned
by cubz1963 on Dec 4, 2007 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reply Colvin...
On McLouth -
McLouth=Deion Sanders?!
top comparable four players by age for McLouth(BR):
Jim King (971)
Paul O'Neill (967)
Sandy Amoros (966)
Deion Sanders (964)
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 8:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i read
either way, it doesnt matter, the important thing is that its pretty damn cool the cubs think so highly of colvin already, and plan to start him in iowa, thats exciting.
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reply...
"the Cubs seem to think..."
NOT exact quote.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
griffey
obviously, its hard to simply project your 2009 lineup before the 2008 season begins, however, a couple of things. im sure fuku would be great for the cubs, and ill still be excited if they get him, but if the cubs are looking for a middle of the order power threat, he's not going to be that player for them.
thats why i say, see what it takes to get griffey. i cant imagine he'd cost a hell of a lot, and he would actually fill the role the cubs are looking for.
griffey would make this team better in the short run, and give the cubs a chance to be more competitive in the long run.
i know i know, "he'll get injured!!!!" but check out his at bats the past three years: 491, 428, 528. Not bad, last year you'd take every year. If the worst happens, then maybe colvin is looking good at iowa, and you bring him up to platoon with murton.
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we can move Fukudome
by IllinoisCubs on Dec 4, 2007 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
Similarly, McLouth for one of the aforementioned LH middlers? Done.
Those two deal would greatly improve the OF and the bench without creating significant holes anywhere. These are the types of deals that really improve your club.
Do them both....now.
by krummy12 on Dec 4, 2007 8:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If those are real offers...
Of course, those are big ifs.
by SouthernCub on Dec 4, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way..
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Overvaluing Hamilton, too...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
by krummy12 on Dec 4, 2007 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not arguing that...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to jump all over Hamilton, but...
Like it or not, these facts impact his value.
by N Oakley on Dec 4, 2007 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll partially agree
But I still don't think all they're asking for is Marshall straight up, like some reports are reporting.
If that is the case, then I would definitely be skeptical of something with Hamilton that only the Reds know about. I also highly doubt that the Reds would be giving the Cubs a "discount" for giving them Hamilton in the first place.
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall's ceiling is a #4 starter
Sure they're some risks with Hamilton, but it still wouldn't justify or equal the deal being for Marshall straight up.
It'd have to be Marshall and maybe Piggy or Petrick or some mid level pitching prospect.
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
rather keep Marshall...major league experience is not an easy thing to match with pitching. Also, he has been moderately successful at this level too.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
by blackhawk24 on Dec 4, 2007 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You just don't get it...
by kaseyi on Dec 4, 2007 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore
by NO100 on Dec 4, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, let me get this straight.
A 5th starter in Marshall for a Power LH RF with on OBP of 270 and an ops of 922? What part of that swap don't you like?
If that's the deal, Marshall straight up,the Cubs would've already done this deal and Hendry would've even included that Baker give him a swirlie.
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.370 OBP
Marshall for Hamilton straight up is an absolute no brainer, for the Cubs. None.
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are REALLY discounting the risks...
I'm willing to take the gamble, given our pitching depth and supposed need for a potential impact bat. But it's not a no-brainer as you suggest. If we were pretty confident we're getting a .922 OPS guy, that'd be one thing. But when you factor in the potential for being a fluke, the potential for injury, and the potential for drug relapse, it's VERY much a risk with Hamilton.
by SouthernCub on Dec 4, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying just that.
The problem with your assessment is that you are basing it on his one real season back from the problems he had previously. In the steroid era, I would be leary of his improvements and would not want to dump a young starter (lefty) that may become very good.
ESPECIALLY when we are supposedly gung ho after Fukudome.
Yes noo brainer, to reject this proposal IMO.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
As far as the risk of him doing steroids, there's a risk in any of these players using steroids. Does the league in Japan test for steroids?
and with Hamilton's drug history, wouldn't he be tested more than most? Wouldn't he actually be the safest bet to not do steroids, if he was indeed tested more than most, because of his past with drugs?
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya on the testing but I imagine
I also respect your opinion and I think most people agree with you, I just like Marshall and think he will get a lot better. Hamilton, well, not so sure he isn't, as someone else said, a fluke.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Errata
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2926447
I also disagree with the idea that Marshall's ceiling is to be a 4th starter. Marshall has pitched very well in very short spans. His season ERA was the same as Rich Hill's. Marshall doesn't have the stuff Hill does, but he seems to know a thing or two about pitching. If Marshall could stay healthy - a HUGE IF - I believe he could do much better than be a 4th starter. So, I'm defining "ceiling" as what he could be at his best. Sometimes you are happy to take a lower-ceiling player with less risk or injury concern and Marshall's injury concern is so great that he may end up a reliever, which means his value comes down quite a bit from what I perceive to be his ceiling.
by DGU on Dec 4, 2007 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay wait...
I have to disagree.
As far as Hamilton goes, hmmm...I have never heard of someone who is guilty denying their actions or even the inclination to commit such actions...
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Injury Risk
As for Hamilton - I'm not sure where the confusion came in that he is connected to steroids. He's not. He used cocaine. That was the "drugs" he was on. It was not a performance enhancer. Quite the opposite. I mean, I guess he could also have used steroids, but no one is accusing him of that outside of a few posters on this board.
by DGU on Dec 4, 2007 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Idea..
the reason i bring this up is i've had my eye on a cheap low risk insurance policy all day long. who?
Steve Finley. yes he's 42 yrs old and hasn't performed well the last couple of years but from his interviews and by looking at him, he seems to be in great shape. his spirits and attitude about where he is at in his career seem to be good.
how about a measly million w/ some incentives for 1 year. i might get flamed for this idea but it seems like a cant lose deal.
p.s. i gotta gut feeling something good for us is coming really soon. at least i'm refreshing every baseball site every 5 seconds with espn on the big screen hoping so!! go cubbies
by cubsluver22 on Dec 4, 2007 8:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Finley's not 42. He'll be 43 in March. His last good year was 2004 (that's FOUR years ago). Ugh, ugh, ugh. Run away, run FAR away.
by Al on Dec 4, 2007 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't insurance.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie has a lot to work on in his swing
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that have to do with the fact...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
by ExNorthsider on Dec 4, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome can play CF
The reason Pie didn't get to play last year is because we fell 8 1/2 games back. The Brewers got off to a 24-10 start. We didn't have time to wait for Pie. This year we will be much better and no team in the Central is going to be that hot. Pie just needs to see MLB pitching everyday. Look at other prospects first 200 at-bats. It usually isn't very pretty.
by IllinoisCubs on Dec 4, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Hendry...
Prior, if we can't get the 09 option, I would try to trade him to the AL. Of course depending on what we get in return. I just have this feeling that he's gonna be back in full form and would hate to have him haunt us.
by crw89 on Dec 4, 2007 9:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton...
That just isn't done.
by Al on Dec 4, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
according to mlbtradrerumors.com
According to Bruce Levine of ESPN Radio 1000, the Cubs have sent lefty reliever Will Ohman and infielder Omar Infante to the Braves for righty reliever Jose Ascanio."
by 10 14 23 26 on Dec 4, 2007 9:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
TRADE MADE Infante and Ohman to Braves for Ascanio
According to Bruce Levine of ESPN Radio 1000, the Cubs have sent lefty reliever Will Ohman and infielder Omar Infante to the Braves for righty reliever Jose Ascanio.
by mossey12 on Dec 4, 2007 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's a nice little deal...
I'd like the deal better if I knew anything about Ascanio, his minor league numbers are nice but nothing special.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't this free up TWO spots?
by IllinoisCubs on Dec 4, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Yes - he was on the 40-man for the braves, so we will need to be added to the 40-man for the cubs.
by big_lowitzki on Dec 4, 2007 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SALARY DUMP!!!
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not all 3 for Acaino
by lemon20pie on Dec 4, 2007 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well be though
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 4, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More accurately...
by SouthernCub on Dec 4, 2007 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Just $$...
Jones didn't want to be here, although he took his shots like a man and made the best of the situation. I wish him luck - I gained a lot of respect for him, and I think he helped carry the team after the ASB last year. $5M (less $2M), or $3M in the back pocket.
Ohman cooked his own goose with the tactics he played about pitching hurt. $1.6M savings there.
Infante never really hit payroll, right? Another $1.3M there. Also, we saved in not having to print up any jerseys for him!
If Ascanio makes the major league club, we're looking at league minimum.
Yes, we saved almost $6M (a little over $5.5 if we include ML min for Ascanio). More importantly, we resolved some of our problems.
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nitpicky
essentially we lost jones + ohman for ascanio
which means we saved about 4-4.5 million
the utter lack of a plan regarding offseasons is what bothers me so much
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't "lose" Jones and Ohman...
I'm not sure where you get the idea that there isn't a "plan". What would YOUR plan be?
by Al on Dec 4, 2007 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al
unfortunately the payroll is not impacted by whether you would like to play for the team or not, it is impacted only by how much you are paid.
And again its the lack of a BIG PICTURE plan for rolling years in the future, we have not had one which is why we are repeatedly (almost every off-season) looking to get OUT from underneath contracts we've signed just a few seasons ago
this year its Marquis, Jones, Dempster, etc
the Cubs always have a plan for THAT season but the plan is ONLY for THAT SEASON
they dont consider the consequences of tying up all these assets in long-term high paying contracts.
We give players all the leverage in negotiations by giving them full no trade clauses and player options while still paying them above market value.
This short-sightedness causes us to have to be reactive when the players contract is winding down rather than be proactive in leaving ourselves the options (whether they be player options or not handing out no trade clauses to everyone)
these are all examples of no long term plan being put into place. The plan is formed at the end of the season and put in place for the next season, with little consideration of its impact in the future
so yes we have a plan, the plan is overspend at all costs for Fukudome and shed all salary we can to make sure we can fit that into our budget
but how does that impact the future??? How does having Lilly, Aramis, DLee, Soriano, Fukudome, Zambrano all signed to 12 million + contracts with no trade clauses impact our financial flexibility down the road???? Especially when the majority of these players are past the age of 30
if you have a 115 million payroll how does signing all these guys to long-term backloaded contracts impact you down the road?????
the plans the cubs put in place are short-term in nature, because nobody knows if they're going to have a job in 3-4 years and all they care about is feeding an immediate urge to try to win right now
that's not a long-term plan, that's putting a plan together for one season and one season alone
and this is exactly how they've acted since the pressures of coming so close in 2003 have impacted their thinking. They've focused each offseason on targeting 1 or 2 pieces without any idea of how they're going to fit 2-4 years down the road when they're still under contract
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was 8 years for Soriano short term?
You are over generalizing things. Some moves are short term but not all.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm..
as in we needed these guys RIGHT NOW to contend
otherwise how on earth can you rationalize locking up 60% of our estimated 2010 payroll
in Lilly (12), Zambrano (18), DLee (13), Aramis (16), Soriano (18) on 5 guys who are going to be ages 34, 29, 24, 32, 34 during that season
that's 77 million on an estimated 125-130 Million Payroll
(using past budgets as a guidepoint, usually we have a %5 increase each year)
how is that "long-term" thinking? Paying guys over the age of 30 increasing contracts and locking up 60-65% of your payroll????
wouldn't that classify as short-term thinking? concerning yourself with only trying to win RIGHT NOW
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
"otherwise how on earth can you rationalize locking up 60% of our estimated 2010 payroll..."
You have no clue with the new owners what the payroll will be in 2010.
By then these players may be total bargains, and the payroll might be $160MM
You just don't know unless you can PROVE otherwise.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all i can do
its all we have right now, and its all Jim Hendry and the front office would be able to operate on right????
I mean if we have a pretty consistent 5-10% hike every year in payroll, cant they only assume that this will remain
the Cubs cant predict how much payroll will be allowed by the new management either right? So dont they have to operate as if things would stay the same until things officially change???
That's what i'm going off of
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html
notice a pretty steady 5-10% increase in payroll each year, which would rise like this (assuming 7.5%)
2008 = 107 Million
2009 = 116 Million
2010 = 125 Million
sure we can say they'll have a 160 million payroll in 2010 and it COULD happen
but you're going to tell me Jim Hendry is operating under the assumption we'll have a 160 Million Payroll then?????
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's like saying
You can run your Ivy League numbers anyway you want and my argument is just as valid as yours.
There is simply no assumption that is accurate unless you KNOW: 1. who the new owners will be in 2010, and 2. What they will choose to spend on players. Perhaps you may want to analyze the Red Sox owners and compare the ratio of salary increases before and after the ownership change, and also search blogs to see what people such as yourself speculated about how much the new owners would be spending. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands to compare your minutae of stats.
Unless you have proof, as I state, my assumptions are as valid as yours.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so what do you think
because my entire argument here is that the Cubs arent developing and sticking to a long-term organizational philosophy on how to build a team
as opposed to putting a plan together each year that acts independently from previous years and only for the upcoming season
if you're contesting that argument, feel free to provide some explanation of how a GM could have a long-term organizational plan without having an idea of the payroll limitations?
and if you think Hendry does have a long-term idea of the payroll limitations of the mystery new ownership, feel free to explain how in the world he'd have any idea who's going to be hired and how much payroll they'd allow
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read through this whole thing...
by Al on Dec 4, 2007 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al
What would i do now???? or what would i have done a few years ago????
because if i was a GM now my hands are completely tied by the long-term deals we've signed in the past AND the no trade clauses handed out with them.
Soriano, Aramis, DLee, Lilly, Zambrano are all tied in for the next 3 years with no trade clauses, so we've tied up:
so here are our unmovable committments:
2008 = $65 Million
2009 = $75 Million
2010 = $75 Million
These guys are all at the edge of their primes, so since we can't move them we have to take a shot at winning these next 3 seasons....
So....my plan for this year would probably be similar to the plans of Hendry, but i'll outline it anyway, despite it missing the broadscale point (analyzing the past)
but here goes:
Fukudome is the obvious target and the first part since he fits some holes they're trying to fill
Only sign Fukudome if it costs 10-12 Million for 3-4 years, anything else is too pricey and too restrictive for future years
that would put us at committments to 6 players at:
2008 = 75-77 Million
2009 = 85-87 Million
2010 = 85-87 Million
that leaves me with the current rest of the 08 payroll at right about the projected 115 Million we've talked about. So i'd need to shed current salary to free up any more moves.
I'd trade Marquis for almost anything, market him heavily as a cheaper/shorter committment to the Kyle Lohse and Carlos Silva's of the world, hopefully you get a lower level prospect for him and in the process shed the 6 Million this year, but more importantly the 9 Million in 2009.
If you can market Dempster this way as well, move him if not he should be in the pen as a 6th-7th inning guy. The committment to him is 5.5 Million for this season and this season alone, so you can roll the dice, hope he has a good season and then Elias ranks him as a Type B and someone signs him
I'd fill out the rotation using Marshall as our #4 and Gallager as our #5. Hart should be the long man.
The pen should be set with:
Wood, Howry, Marmol as the high leverage guys. Dempster, Wuertz, Eyre as the low leverage guys and Hart as the long-man.
Stick Pie at CF and watch him blossom, don't yank him around. Just let him play and he'll be fine. Open up a competition at SS for Ronnie and Theriot, Theriot would be the favorite to start but Ronnie should get a chance since his natural talent and ceiling is certainly higher than Riots
Our lineup would be set with:
Soriano
Fukudome
DLee
Aramis
Soto
DeRosa
Pie
Theriot/Cedeno
bench would be Murton, Ward, Blanco, Fontenot/Patterson, Fuld
Pump any excess money we save into the draft, don't play around and say we're saving it for the trade deadline, pump it into the draft. Give Wilken the ability to choose whomever he wants irregardless of salary and reap the benefits.
If we can't sign Fukudome...
DO EVERYTHING THE SAME, stick Murton in RF... we'll get 75-80% of the production at 1/15th the cost.
stick excess money into the draft, dont go out and try to do the usual plug RF with a mid level guy because he's LH... we've made this mistake with Burnitz and Jones... just stop it.
and again....Pump excess funds into the draft and intl scouting
Notice i'm not including any trades because of 2 reasons:
- I dont believe we have a deep enough system to move prospects for any players that could currently help us more than what we already have
- any trade ideas I propose you'll likely shoot down saying, how do you know Hendry could get that done or how do you know he's not trying to do that, etc
but that's missing my point
my point is the moves we've made in the past and the way this organization has operated in the past is one for concern. IE Signing mid-level guys (losing draft picks) and then trading them at the end of their contracts when we're trying to shed salary for likely lesser prospects than we could've drafted
that's where my criticism was, and while i'll argue that we could've fetched more for Jones, Ohman, and CASH than Ascanio you're going to go straight to the "how do you know we could've gotten more", which i dont
which i guess makes it impossible to ridicule any trades we ever make, based on the premise none of us know the negotiations
which creates a circular dilemna of never being allowed to criticize management, because we dont know all the facts
and there's some truth to it and there's some element of laziness to it as well... because as fans we're supposed to speculate on how our club can improve, not simply sit back and take whatever they give you without question
anyways, this is kind of an exercise in futility because you're asking me to make a plan for THIS offseason and this one alone, when i've been complaining about the Cubs just making plans for 1 offseason at a time instead of having an overriding plan for a number of years at once.
Because of the past moves we've made trying to plan starting with this season for a few seasons in advance is quite a difficult task since we're tied up with unmovable assets encompassing 40-50% of our entire budget. There just isnt a lot of wiggle room given the way they've operated in the past
but if you're asking me about my overall philosophy or the thing that has frustrated me most about the cubs, well its pretty simple
Avoid spending through FA for league average production
i.e. Jones, Eyre, Marquis, Dempster, etc...
instead pump that money into your scouting and your draft budget and target the highest level prospects coming out of the draft
leverage your financial advantage through the intl scouting and through the draft and you wont have to overpay in FA
which is why i would never have signed Soriano or Marquis, etc.... i would have never tried to turn a 67 win team into a 95 win team overnight.... because its almost impossible to do...
whenever you're playing in FA you're paying a guy who's heading towards his 30+ years, for the production he had when he was in his mid 20's
its a bad gamble
does this satisfy your request?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so...
Today's move was useful in that:
- it cleared a 40-man roster spot, and
- it saved some payroll room.
by Al on Dec 4, 2007 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man...
I still haven't seen you try to explain what the Cubs long-term plan was over these last few years
you yourself have mentioned in previous posts that moves have essentially been dictated by the different managers we've had in Dusty and Lou
all i'm asking is for you to put together a clear argument as to how you can justify the Cubs moves over the last few years as anything more than reactionary to each individual off-season
the cubs play a season see how it goes and then go into the offseason targeting what they need for that NEXT season
there isnt long-term thinking there. If there was how could you explain them signing Marquis last year only to be ready to trade him this offseason. Or signing Jacque Jones in 05 only to want to trade him in 07
do you really believe they've been operating with one overall organizational philosophy that they've been tactically trying to fill long-term holes with?
because i dont believe they are, and that's where my frustration lies
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dart this is my opinion
this brings me to us. were also in a wierd kinda situation. we really dont have the luxury of time with our prospects. this team's core makeup is getting old and for the most part i dont think we have that many holes. i dont think there is too many
trades to be had(fair trades that is) for reasons stated earlier.
in order to plug holes hendry is having to play the bidding game in which all parties are good poker players. does he always make the smart deal?? no, but who is too say what might have
been? i truly believe hendry's intentions are to field a winning team but we all gotta realize that what happens behind closed doors is anyone's guess.
myself as well as others tend to take what we read on the internet and run with it. i think at times we prosecute hendry before we give him a chance. one things for sure no matter what he does he cant make a player stay healthy. i think in recent years that has been our worst enemy.
hendry is gonna give this current team a damn good chance before the start of the 08 season. i dont think lou would have it any other way.
by cubsluver22 on Dec 4, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My assertion as well
IIRC, Dartmouth was also bitching and moaning about all of the signings last off season.
While not 95 wins, 87 took them from worst to first. Did HE predict that Lou would "save" Zambrano, Lilly inplode, and the Cubs offense hit like high schoolers facing Santana? I don't think so. They had a shot to at least get to the second round, I thought.
I'd say that looking at the current PLAN - Hendry has improved his pitching prospects in the minors, hired Rick Wilkens, hired Lou, started to address the "culture of losing", and got rid of a bunch of crap - in a years time. Will Oh-Man! was the coup de gras!
As a Season Ticket holder, its a nice start. Just no Wilkerson.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we brought back Rick Wilkens!!!!!
or did you mean Tim Wilken....
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Wilkins
HA HA!
I'd prefer Rick Wilkens to Hank White right now!!
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts
so what's wrong with a fan articulating his frustration with organizational failures and baseball transgressions? nothing! however, to criticize an organization for past deeds when said organization is attempting to "right the ship" is inappropriate.
by rm463 on Dec 4, 2007 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is called disagreement
There is not anything WRONG with that per say, there is just something ANNOYING about it.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is what i'm trying to get across
This infante/ohman trade for Ascanio is a horrific move which we wont be able to overcome
that notion in itself is almost hilarious right? And i understand why anyone would argue that against me
what i meant to come across is:
my frustration with this continued pattern of signing midlevel FA players, giving up draft picks to do it, and then having to eat their salary or trade them for pennies on the dollar at the end of their contract
that is the notion i'm trying to get across, not that this one trade is going to destroy us or is a terrible move, etc
its a very minor deal in the big picture of things
instead its the big picture i'm complaining about. this pattern isn't new and it's one that has helped us languish in mediocrity for quite a while
i keep trying to reiterate this but since these conversations/disagreements are taking place over 2 diaries i can see where my point is getting lost
as for the series of trades, yeah i didnt love it because i thought JJ would have more value and i wish we stopped selling guys low (in my opinion)
oh... and Al's post here
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/comments/2007/8/25/21611/3779/4#4
seems to suggest he thought we would've gotten more for JJ as well
but i guess he either values Ascanio a lot more than I do
or he's vastly changed his opinion since August
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it has to do with the series of moves
it has nothing to do with Omar Infante either
like i've been saying this whole time... i just thought we'd be able to get more than Ascanio for Ohman, Jones, and Cash
which is essentially what the series of deals turned out to be
is that more clear?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it's clear.
Just remember, though -- opportunity costs exist, too. And from that perspective, we got quite a bit out of that series of transactions.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go ahead and clarify this.
The Cubs, it shouldn't need to be said, have tons of relievers available in the farm system, so scaring up a replacement-or-better reliever to fill Will Ohman's spot shouldn't be difficult. Properly leveraged, simply getting rid of Will Ohman saves the Cubs over a million dollars AND improves the team by about a win. And we get a 40-man roster spot we can use to sign free agents, make trades or protect a player from the upcoming Rule V draft. Essentially, getting nothing for Will Ohman would be a good trade. So let's go ahead and say that's what happened. Jim Hendry traded Will Ohman for nothing. Good job, Jim!
So now we're left with Jacque Jones plus cash for Jose Acquaino. Let's make a few assumptions here:
- Jacque Jones won't be eligable for Type A or B compensatory draft picks.
- Felix Pie will play center field and will at least match Jacque Jones' value at the position.
- Jacque Jones is not well-suited to be a bench player.
Given those assumptions... we save salary, contribute to the development of one of our top young players, and get a young pitcher for our farm system. Oh, and we get a roster spot -- which, again, can be used to sign free agents, make trades or protect a player from the upcoming Rule V draft.
It's not as big of a win as the Will Ohman for nothing deal, but it's not bad.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
i'd argue a few things:
- Ohman has a 3 year track record thats a bit better than last year's numbers and when used exclusively against lefties was pretty strong. This wasn't something Pineilla did much
- I think Jones will be a Type B Free Agent
Jones would've been a B level FA this year and because Plate Appearances is used in the calculation i think he'll be a B level FA, kind of like Shannon Stewart this year...
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
appreciate your opinion RPM
i mean... couldnt that be said for any year?
how do i know they're putting in place a long-term organizational philosophy that they're going to stick to firmly
to me the pursuit of kaz matsui suggested that nothing really has changed
they're still going to go after mid-level FA's and lean on FA to patch holes rather than internal options
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon
Look, you seem to think, despite the fact that several of our key players are locked up for years to come, that Hendry still thinks only short term.
You are not going to convince me that he was still thinking short sightedly. Sure the needs were current needs that he was filling but what the heck needs are not?
One would have to predict injury, production decline, and other such natural occurances to foresee what needs will present themselves in the long term future.
Cmon dude, you got a crystal ball at home?
Your arguments are benign IMO.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
years and years of statistical data
why on earth would you lock up a 31 year old coming off his career season to an 8 year contract that is backloaded significantly and will pay him 18 million a year annually when he's 34-39 years old
you're paying him at the ages of 34-39 as if he's producing as he did when he was 27-30 (his peak years)
how could that be a good thing for the future?
my contention is Hendry did it knowing the addition of Soriano along with some other hefty financial investments could re-make this team into contenders for a short period of time... contenders all be it that would be very dependent on playing in a weak division but contenders nonetheless over night
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Was it the most efficient investment? No
Did he address a need on a long term basis? Yes. And who would you have suggested he lock up instead? Was ther some other stellar player that could be had for much less of an investment (time and $$) that you know of?
As for the stats...ever hear of Julio Franco, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Omar Vizquel (stretch yes)?
Numbers don;t make it so all the time. Like Al says though, talk to me in five or six years and then we can say Soriano was a bad investement.
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 4, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no trade clause
in fact ALL of our big investments have no trade clauses: Lilly, Aramis, DLee, Soriano, Zambrano
and on the stats comment, each of those players HAVE regressed since their best years
some have regressed slower, sure
but you're also picking out a few HOF's
and that anecdotal evidence certainly isn't even close to the majority
its not playing the odds, relying on a 1 in a million shot
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, man, you're ruining Baseball Christmas.
What in the sam hell does this have to do with the fact that we shipped out Will Ohman? Is the team better than it was this morning, or wasn't it?
Agh.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the grinch
are we better than yesterday i don't really see how giving up 2 major leaguers for 1 minor leaguer makes our major league roster better today
if your argument is are we better positioned for the future, yeah we probably are
but just like you're speculating on our positioning for the future, i'm speculating on what could've been (either what could've been in the past, or how we could've been positioned better for the future)
i personally think we could've gotten more for JJ and Ohman and Cash than Ascanio
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not be an.........!
jim hendry the chicago cubs general manager, you know the ones opinion,thoughts, and decisions count for something, probably tried to get all he could for him. fact of the matter is he couldnt i repeat he got all he could get for him. jones never real fit in here and from all reports ive read he didnt wanna be here. it really dont matter what you, me, or anybody else thinks right now. i believe their is a plan in place to field the best team possible for 08. long term plans are for the birds. we have been waiting for 100 years for a championship and we are extremely close to getting one. we need just a little tinkering and i'm sure hendry knows right down to the dollar how much he has to play with and who and what he can afford.
by cubsluver22 on Dec 4, 2007 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At the time...
People (perhaps Dartmouth and others) were complaining that the deal was too long (3 years) and the money too much.
Encar ended up signing nearly an identical deal as JJ (look it up), and JJ's 2006 season was MORE productive. More rbi's more HR's,and, IIRC, a couple points better in BA.
However, Encar got the ring.
It is so very, very convenient to second and third guess decisions by the GM, and while I would consider myself a huge basher of Hendry's in 2005 & 2006, Jacque Jones was the least of his problems...
Unfortunately, he also had to work under Andy McFail.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it was a thin market
Moises was out there, so was Juan Encarnacion
here's the full list:
but again thats picking 1 date in history and evaluating 1 move
its a bigger picture than Jacque Jones... its the repeated emphasis on living through FA and the inabilitiy to develop players from within that is/has been frustrating me
i've tried to make this point but if you keep relying on living through FA its a very tough position to be in because you almost ALWAYS have to overpay for guys
by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 4, 2007 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plan?
Sounds like that Allstate commercial where the coach yells out of the dugout to the runner that he wants him to steal on the next pitch.
by blackhawk24 on Dec 4, 2007 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This always amazed me
To a degree they are almost like politicians in regards to how often they reveal their true thoughts or intentions.
by MPH73 on Dec 4, 2007 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
still though
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Marshall goes
I just am not concerned too much about Sean. He's a nice 5th starter.
Honestly, I'd rather trade Marquis any day and keep Marshall...
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Who the hell wouldn't? You know what you're getting with Marquis....Marshall still has room to grow.
by TheBeerBaron on Dec 4, 2007 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Updated Roster/Salary Info...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not To Add More Work...
I think I have that somewhere in Excel if you want me to send it to you...
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have that info...
I'd probably just output it all to Excel to republish it anyway; I'm becoming less enamored of some of Google Doc's interface. Ping me at pontifexexmachina -at- hotmail.com with the file when you can.
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, There Weren't Many
Lee: $100,000
Soriano: $1,225,000
DeRosa: $725,000
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Big Z get incentives?
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
(a) full no-trade clause
(b) Zambrano receives 2013 player option if he is first or second in 2011 Cy Young vote or if he finishes in top 4 in 2012 Cy Young vote and is healthy at end of 2012
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Further updated version...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
by Goat Whisperer on Dec 4, 2007 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
question
by cubsluver22 on Dec 4, 2007 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
new rumor: teahen
for a very broad generalization, teahen is like murton, from the left side, with better speed and possibly higher ceiling for power.
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TEAHEN - 121K's!
#1 in GIDP AL, 2007 with 23.
More "Talented"?
Really?
What we have is as good or better. Please, no.
IF we're gonna truly upgrade, fine. But not this.
Hamilton, o.k. FUKU. Crawford. McLouth+Murt platoon. But to me, it is just not worth it simply b/c he is a LH.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"talent"
.290 .357 .517 18 hr 10 sb (zero caught)
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not accurate
both players are 26, both entered the league at 23. murton has shown more power with a homer every 29 at bats, teahen a homer every 43 at bats.
teahen has played third base and outfield so is likely more athletic and the better defender, hits left fields right.
career lines:
murton: .296/.365/.455
teahen: .274/.340/.429
last year:
murton: .281/.352/.438
teahen: .285/.353/.410
teahen had a power drop last year that wasnt expected, hitting 7 hr in 544 ab, after 18 hr in 393...a little odd.
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals want RH hitting
I would be very surprised if Murton was enough to get Teahen, because Mark (not Matt) can play third base adequately, first base in a pinch, and is a better outfielder. I would not be surprised to see the Cubs include a pitcher in the trade, even someone like Marshall, and get a minor leaguer in return.
Orange Guy would have a chance to be an everyday player in KC, and be a fan favorite.
by zambranofan on Dec 4, 2007 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have two legs?
Do you have at least four fingers per hand?
Are you at least as mobile as an arthrhitic Dutchman?
Congratulations! You can play first base in a pinch!
by cwyers on Dec 4, 2007 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy-har
Don't make me go all Sam Fuld in the AZFL on yo' ass! It's like 5 foot 8 of pure THUNDAHHHH!
;)
And, by the way, I think your post is a veiled insult to Mordecai Brown. This shall not stand, sir!
by zambranofan on Dec 4, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that in a heartbeat
by JodyDavis on Dec 4, 2007 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see...
I just do not see it as making the team better, if that's the gm's objective.
by TheEman on Dec 4, 2007 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the riot?
by cubz409 on Dec 4, 2007 4:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Think Hendry...
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard and Fukudome
Apparently, Hendry and McFAIL had lunch and talked Bedard (amongst other things). The Cubs are now in the hunt, and officially the 11th team.
"Joel Sherman confirms the Cubs' interest, so that's officially 11 teams in on Bedard." from: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/latest-erik-bed.html
Also, Bruce Levine reported that he honestly believes that Fukudome will be a Cub... possible in the next couple of days. C'mon down... this baby is all ready for you --> http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/cpm023/?action=view¤t=Kosuke.jpg
by initram on Dec 4, 2007 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
padres offer to fukudome:
by kylejo on Dec 4, 2007 5:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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