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The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #18 Greg Maddux

I am so sorry.

I'm sure you're puzzled. What am I sorry for? This is the Top 100 profile of one of the greatest pitchers ever to put on a Cub uniform, and a very popular and well-loved player on top of that.

Here's what happened. I was going to write this profile myself, but then I thought, "Who better to write this than this site's #1 Maddux fan, Jessica?"

So I asked her. And when she said she would, I thought it would be fun for all of you to read all the Maddux anecdotes and quotes and stories she's told me over the years. So I said, "Put ALL the stories in the profile."

Little did I know that when she did that, the profile would be as long as a small encyclopedia. I tried to edit it down, but failed. Everything in it is well worth reading.

Now, before you Click "Read More" for the rest..., take a look at Greg's 1991 Upper Deck baseball card -- both the front and the back. Notice anything unusual?

Yes, that's right. That's a card of one of the greatest pitchers ever, with two photos -- neither of which shows him pitching! Maddux, as you likely know, and as you'll read in more detail, is proud of his entire game. He's always been a complete athlete, a student of the game, and I share the anger and disappointment that Jessica and all the rest of you do, that he didn't spend his entire career as a Cub.

Onward. Better get a cup of coffee or a snack. Reading this will take a while, but it's well worth it.

Star-divide

Jessica also gave me a copy of Sports Illustrated from March 1, 2004, in which there was an article about Maddux' return to the Cubs. Included in the article there was a photo of Greg in a Cubs uniform, probably right after he was drafted, where he looked about 13 (the "Bar Mitzvah" shot, in the words of one of Jessica's friends). However, I couldn't for the life of me get a good enough scan of this photo to post.

So in its stead, I present to you Maddux' Donruss 1987 rookie card; in the photo he's sporting something he must have grown to make him look older than a middle schooler -- the famous "pornstar mustache":

And now, get ready for a long morning (or afternoon) of reading!

Profile by BCB reader jessica

Perhaps no player in Cubs history has caused as much hope and frustration, joy and anger as Greg Maddux. While he will forever be thought of as the one that got away in the dumbest Cub move of all time (and possibly the second-dumbest move in baseball history after the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees), the nearly 9 full seasons Maddux played for the Cubs were an integral part of the career of perhaps the greatest all-around player of his generation. Maddux is a special player on the mound, on the bench, in the clubhouse and outside the park.

Gregory Alan Maddux was born April 14, 1966 in San Angelo, Texas, but he did not stay there long enough for anyone to try to turn him into a fireballing good old boy. His father Dave was an Air Force officer and so Greg traveled to various posts around the world as a young child. There is little doubt this had an influence on Maddux, who would become famous for his control on and off the mound.

I grew up in a military culture where nobody is better than anybody else. Everybody lived in the same kind of house, just with a different number on the door. We had discipline and all that. But we did not go overboard about it. We were Air Force, not Marines or Army.

Greg and his older brother Mike (who would go on to a 15 year career in the majors, mostly as a relief pitcher) played baseball every afternoon with Dave Maddux, who drilled his sons in the fundamentals. When Greg was 8 his father retired from the Air Force and became a poker dealer at the MGM Grand casino in Las Vegas. Greg was intensely competitive at a very young age; according to Mike, he excelled at everything from baseball & golf to poker & chess: "But if Greg couldn't win, he didn't want to play, plain and simple".

In what would become part of his baseball legend, 15 year old Greg began playing in a pick up baseball game in Vegas run by a retired MLB scout named Ralph Medar. Medar taught Greg that location was more important than speed and when in a jam pitch softer not harder -- "Make the balls look like strikes and strikes look like balls" was his motto. In a time when throwing faster and harder was stressed over control and location, Medar told Maddux, "Kid, you throw hard enough to get drafted. But movement is more important than velocity." Years later Maddux would say of Medar's advice, "I believed it. I don't know why. I just did." Medar, sadly, died in 1983 and didn't live to see Maddux drafted, let alone play in the majors. Maddux also gives a lot of credit to his high school coach, Roger Fairless, for instilling the value of control over speed. Fairless remembers being stunned and somewhat frustrated by Maddux's apparent lack of emotion on the mound. Even in his teens Maddux had already developed his signature demeanor of almost preternatural calm. When asked when he first knew his brother was special, Mike said that when he came home from his first year at college, Greg would tag along to play baseball with him and his friends and despite being nearly five years younger, Greg could more than hold his own. When scouts came to look at Mike who would eventually be drafted in 1982, Dave Maddux told them, "You will be back later for the little one".

By his senior year of high school in 1984, Greg Maddux was a highly regarded prospect but his absurdly young and skinny appearance tended to scare baseball scouts off (he was so thin that his mother had to take his uniform in as the regular one would not fit). The local Cubs scout, Doug Mapson, loved Maddux and went out of his way to push him to GM Dallas Green and the Cubs front office. A May 26, 1984 report that he wrote to the Cubs front office prior to the June draft included one of the most prescient sentences in the history of scouting: "I really believe this boy would be the number one player in the country if only he looked a bit more physical."

Luckily for the Cubs, many teams did not see that in the scrawny kid and he passed through the first round (in which the Cubs selected Drew Hall with the 3rd pick) so in the 2nd round with the 31st overall choice the Cubs selected Greg Maddux. After a quick negotiation with Maddux's agent Scott Boras, who got him a decent signing bonus, Greg was sent to Pikeville in the Appalachian League, where he went 6-2 with an ERA of 2.62 in his first few months of professional baseball and he was already making an impression. Darrin Jackson, who played with him that season, recalled: "This kid who looked like he should be in a middle-school lunchroom was shattering bat after bat, making Double-A and Triple-A hitters look like they had no chance. I think he kind of liked being that underdog: 'Yeah, I'm little, but I can get you out.'"

In 1985 Maddux spend the season in Peoria going 13-9 with an ERA of 3.19. In 1986 he went through both AA and AAA. He started in Pittsfield going 4-3 with an ERA of 2.69 before being promoted to Iowa where he went 10-1 with an ERA of 3.02. Maddux was called up to the Cubs on Sept. 1 where at 20 he became the youngest Cub in 20 years. He made an unusual debut on Sept. 2 when he came in as a pinch-runner in the 17th inning of a tie game versus the Astros. Stranded on base, Maddux returned to the dugout to sit down only to be told he was now supposed to pitch. He went out on the mound and gave up a game winning homer to Billy Hatcher. His debut as a starting pitcher went a little better. On Sept. 7 he faced the first place Reds and their power hitting line up. Accompanying Maddux was Cubs minor league pitching instructor Jim Colborn, who said:

The Reds weren't just a good club, they were a big club - they had Dave Parker and a couple of others whose biceps were bigger than Greg's thigh. I was trying to keep him calm, and I said to him, 'Remember, Greg, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you look in your uniform.'

"He goes out, gets through the heart of the order with no problem the first time and comes back and sits next to me in dugout. 'Colby,' he says, 'how do I look in my uniform?'"

Maddux pitched a complete game win, giving up 3 runs in nine innings but he finished September 2-4 with an ERA of 5.52. The other win came in Philadelphia against his brother Mike, an MLB first of two rookie brothers facing each other. Though 4 1/2 years younger than Mike, Greg's swift rise through the minors made them rookies in the same season.

In 1987, Maddux was inconsistent at best. He went 6-14 with an ERA of 5.61 but still he gained the attention and admiration of the fans and his fellow players for two incidents not related to his skills as a pitcher and both of which involved Benito Santiago and the Padres. On April 29 Maddux was hit "in the groin area" as they like to say in baseball, by a line drive off the bat of Chris Speier. He barely made it through the inning and was removed from the game. Two days later the Cubs were playing the Padres, losing 5-4 in the 8th. Andre Dawson tied the game with a homer and Maddux was put in to pinch-run for Jody Davis on 2nd. After Dunston singled up the middle, Maddux barreled around 3rd and with Santiago waiting to tag him, just bowled right over him scoring the go ahead run.

The 2nd and more famous incident occurred in late June. Maddux had been pitching poorly and been told by management that if he did not get a win he would be sent to the minors. The Cubs staked him to a large lead by the 3rd inning when Dawson, who had hit three home runs in two days against the Padres, including one in the first inning came to bat. Padres pitcher Eric Show hit him hard in the face, Dawson went down bleeding and a near riot ensued but amazingly no punches were thrown. As the game was not yet official, Sutcliffe and other Cubs told Maddux to wait until the 6th inning to retaliate so he would record a win and not be sent down but Maddux refused and told Sutcliffe he didn't care if he never pitched in the majors again, you had to protect your teammate, so he smoked Santiago in the 4th (Santiago was the 3rd batter up that inning and Maddux had struck out the first two. I think he somehow held Santiago more responsible for the beaning than other position players).

According to Sutcliffe, Dawson, who had to rest his chronically injured knees by taking some games off in his MVP season, never missed playing in a Maddux start that rest of that season. Contrary to part of this legend Maddux was not sent down to Iowa till over a month later after he continued to struggle. In four starts in Iowa, Maddux went 3-0 with an ERA of 0.98 and two complete games.

Maddux became one of the most notorious pranksters in baseball, learned the hard way from the master, Rick Sutcliffe that season. One day, shortly after the team arrived to warm up at the visiting team's field, Maddux was left alone in the dugout on some pretense while Sutcliffe approached one of grounds crew and asked them to tell their "bat boy" that he was not allowed in the dugout before the game. Since Maddux looked ridiculously young the guy went over and told a flustered Maddux to leave the dugout. To this day Sutcliffe will often refer to Maddux as "the bat boy". He was also sent to pick up the drinks in bars or buy beer just so the rest of team could laugh watching him get carded nearly every time.

Still, with those 6-14, 5.61 numbers, Maddux was not going to stick around the majors long if he did not improve. In the winter of 1987-88 he went with Cubs pitching coach Dick Pole and his brother Mike to Venezuela to play winter ball. Future Red Sox manager Terry Francona was his roommate and the thing he remembered best was that their place became a hangout for other American players because Maddux had brought a Nerfball set.

So, in 1988 Maddux returned a changed pitcher. He won 15 of his first 18 starts and finished the year 18-8 with an ERA of 3.18. In retrospect one gleans from Maddux's comments that it was not so much what he might have learned in Venezuela, as what he unlearned:

Guys give you advice with the best of intentions, but that is how they pitch. You have to understand how you pitch. When you start to do that, you might listen to a few things they say instead of everything. You come up and you have Rick Sutcliffe and Scott Sanderson and these guys are 6-5 and 6-6, it just took time to watch those guys and realize they are doing things out there I can't do.
Now confident in his own style of control over speed and his famous preparation routine, Maddux became the best young pitcher in baseball. In 1989 Cubs Maddux went 19-12 with an ERA of 2.95. Somehow, he forgot his own advice in his one post season game as a Cub and ended up giving up 5 runs in 3 innings in his what would become his worst of many postseason appearances.

Maddux "slipped" somewhat in 1990 going 15-15 with an ERA ballooning to 3.46 and then went 15-11 in 1991 with an ERA of 3.35. All the while he increased his reputation as the smartest player in baseball with savant-like memory of every pitch he ever threw and dissecting each opposing batter's weakness.

He never missed a start (dating all the way back to high school). He averaged nearly 247 innings per season in his first 4 full seasons and just under 8 complete games each season. Early in is his Cub career Maddux acquired one of the best baseball nicknames, "Mad Dog". Many baseball nicknames tend to be a play on the person's actual name, physical appearance or skill ("Rocket", "Gonzo", "Big Unit" etc), whereas Maddux's is a wonderful combination of truth and irony. By appearance Maddux was a slight boyish looking player with voice that barely went over a whisper in public and who was completely unflappable on the mound. He was, however a ruthless and tenacious player who mercilessly used every flaw he could find in an opponent and raised his hand at one of his first club meetings to ask what the brushback sign was. He routinely lets out a string of obscenities every time he is unhappy with a pitch and has a scatological sense of humor. Referred to endearingly by old teammates as "doggie", Maddux is not all warm and cuddly.

Going into his "walk" year of 1992, the Cubs began negotiations with Maddux. One of the worst days in Cubs history occurred somewhat anonymously in December 1991 when the Cubs sent Ned Colletti and Dennis Homerin to his Las Vegas home to strike a deal with Maddux and Boras. They all "agreed" to a five year 25 million dollar deal but Maddux, who was anxious to settle down asked for a no trade clause. The Cubs negotiators said no and left suddenly saying they had a plane to catch. Maddux thought it over for a day, and decided since he was very good and very young they wouldn't trade him anyway and faxed in his acceptance. Boras called a week later and they said they had to run it by Tribune CEO Stanton Cook; after two more calls and two weeks later Maddux (with undoubtedly some encouragement from Boras) was getting frustrated. He personally wrote a letter to Cook that was delivered on Monday of that week giving the Cubs until 5 PM Friday to agree to the 5/25 deal. The Cubs called him at 5:05 that Friday. "Five minutes!" Maddux said. "They could not have phoned at 5? They could not have responded to my fax 3 weeks earlier when I accepted the original deal by passing on the no trade?"

For the record, Cook admitted this is exactly how it happened, and tried to explain by saying, "Picking up the phone and getting something done with one call is not quite that simple. This is big business. There's protocol to follow, a certain amount of posturing done by both sides."

What was really going on was a power struggle in which the Tribune which was determined not to let a player and his agent be seen as having the upper hand. For all the later issues re: Boras' encouraging Maddux to leave as a free agent, this was the Cubs' Waterloo in terms of dealing with Maddux. He believed he had a deal and the Cubs backed out. Maddux told the Cubs he would give them a fair chance to compete for him AFTER the season as a free agent. While Maddux was at the All-Star game in 1992 the Cubs met with Boras to try to work on a deal and Boras told them the price was now $32 million for 5 years, the Cubs offered 27.5. The Cubs tried to make Maddux out as a self centered greedy player for turning down a deal that would have made him the highest paid pitcher in baseball, to which his teammate Sutcliffe responded, "To people like Greg Maddux, winning is more important than a few dollars. Maybe he wants to see what direction ('the organization') is going."

Maddux also resented the Cubs attempt to portray him as someone eager to flee the Cubs for the big bucks:

I am not trying to get out of Chicago. Why would I want to go anywhere else? The people are so friendly. Not just the fans but the cabbies, hotel people, folks on the street. It is not like in other cities where they act like they are doing you a favor.
Maddux has his best season to date in 1992, going 20-11 on a team that pretended to contend, but finished 78-84. He won the Cy Young award collecting 20 of the 24 votes while pitching 268 innings with 9 CG, 4 ShO, 199 K to 70 BB and an ERA of 2.18.

After the season ended Boras negotiated with the Braves, Yankees and Cubs, and Maddux still felt both loyalty and frustration with the Cubs. Himes signed Jose Guzman for 4 years and 14.35 million dollars and told the media, "I have the starter that I need to replace him". Maddux made one last call to Himes personally before he signed with the Braves. Himes told him the Cubs had signed Randy Myers that day and they had no money left. "His" money had gone to Guzman and Myers. After turning down a 32 million dollar offer from the Yankees Greg Maddux signed for 5 years and 28 million dollars with the Atlanta Braves. The Cubs never raised their offer past 27.5. Himes said he didn't think it was right to go back to the Tribune and ask for more money after the budget had been "set".

About the only thing that can be said in defense of the Cubs' cavalier treatment of Maddux is that no one could have imagined how good he would become. Maddux won the next 3 consecutive Cy Young awards, his average ERA in his first three seasons with the Braves was under 2.00. In 1994 and 1995 his ERAs were 1.56 and 1.63 respectively. From 1992 to 1997 Maddux's ERA was 2.14 which was lower than even Sandy Koufax's in his best 6 years (and this in a higher-offense era than Koufax pitched in). The 1994-95 strike probably cost him two twenty-win seasons, as he won 16 in 2/3 of a season in 1994 and 19 in 1995 in a schedule that was 18 games short of usual.

Those of you who never saw him pitch in those days can't imagine the incredible movement he could create with his almost unbelievable control.

Perhaps the best story about Maddux's ability to control the ball came from a 2001 Spring Training game as reported by Astros Manager Larry Dierker:

He just outsmarts everybody. I remember this spring an edict came out that the umpires were going to enforce the high strike zone. Maddux spent the entire game testing to see how high the umpire would go and call it. It was amazing.
When the reporter told Maddux of Dierker's description he responded, "Well actually my control was off that day. Sometimes your reputation precedes you. I wasn't that smart." Maddux then smirked, and the reporter had no whether he was telling the truth or was toying with him.

He got his long sought-after World Series ring in 1995 and would go to the post season all 11 years he was in Atlanta. He won 10 of the next 11 Gold Gloves.

Perhaps nothing sums up the Cubs' situation with Maddux better than than the 1998 playoffs when he outdueled Kerry Wood to win game 3 and complete the sweep. In the club house after the game his old friend Mark Grace sat around muttering, "Greg didn't want to leave, Greg didn't want to leave."

Maddux' mastery of his old team included a shutout on Opening Day in 1993 (his very first game in an Atlanta uniform) and a stunning 4-1 complete game in the first game of a doubleheader on July 22, 1997 in which he threw only 76 pitches, 63 for strikes -- less than 1 1/2 balls per inning.

However, there is a funny backstory to this smackdown. Before the game the Cub players decided that since everyone knew Maddux always threw first pitch strikes (i.e. that he did not "waste a pitch" to check the batter out) they would all swing at the first pitch.

There are literally dozens of famous and funny anecdotes about Maddux, many having to do with his downright spooky control and his amazing ability to outthink hitters. One involves a close game in which there were runners on first and third, one out and a left handed batter due up. Braves Manager Bobby Cox came out to the mound to ask him if he wanted to intentionally walk the batter to set up a double play. "No thanks," Maddux replied and went on to describe the exact sequence of pitches he would throw the next two batters and what they would do. As a stunned Cox watched, he did almost exactly what he had said he would (the third out was a pop up that went just fair of third while Maddux had said it would be on the foul side of 3rd).

The second involved longtime nemesis Jeff Bagwell. Maddux was pitching a shutout with a large lead late in a game early in the season when Bagwell came to bat. He repeatedly shook off catcher Eddie Perez's signs and threw Bagwell an inside fastball which they both knew was his favorite pitch. Bagwell clocked it for a home run and angry Perez confronted Maddux in the clubhouse asking him why he would throw that pitch. Maddux explained that sometime later that season he would face Bagwell in a more important situation and he would be expecting that pitch. Perez was still annoyed that he had "blown" a shutout. Towards the end of that season, the Braves did indeed play an important game against the Astros and Maddux struck Bagwell out late in the game with the bases loaded. Maddux asked Perez if he remembered the game months ago when he deliberately gave Bagwell the pitch he wanted. Perez had forgotten, but Maddux hadn't.

Almost surely the most famous Maddux story (probably because there were so many witnesses) involved an at-bat by Jose Hernandez, then with the Dodgers, against the Braves. Maddux as usual on off days was sitting on the bench with his fellow pitchers more or less "calling pitches" when he blurted out, "Watch this, we might need to call an ambulance for the first base coach." On the very next pitch Hernandez drove a line drive into the chest of the first base coach, who, fortunately, wasn't seriously hurt. John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, Kent Mercker and others sitting around were needless to say completely freaked out. Maddux explained that Hernandez had been jammed inside by Braves pitchers for the whole series and he could tell from the shift in his batting stance he was going to rip one towards the first base coach's box.

Maddux, who had signed a second 5-year deal with for 51 million in 1997, then, somewhat surprisingly, accepted their offer of arbitration in 2003 after that contract expired. Maddux referred to his departure from Chicago as "getting fired" and was not inclined to move around. The Braves and Maddux compromised on $14.5 million for 2003 to avoid arbitration. However, Ted Turner was gone, Time-Warner and its cost-cutting moves were in and Maddux had a "bad" year in 2003 going, 16-11 with an ERA of 3.96; so at the end of the season the Braves "fired" him, as he again put it.

When Maddux was leaving the Braves, many of their longtime clubhouse employees were quite distraught, Maddux having treated them all quite well. One of them remembered that years before, when he was a young assistant, he was talking to another worker about driving to St. Louis to visit relatives during an upcoming Braves road trip, but didn't know if his old Honda with 100,000 miles on it could make the trip. Maddux, having overheard the conversation, tossed him a set of keys to his silver BMW and said, "Don't wreck it." "I was just some kid", he said. "And he trusted me."

Maddux made it clear he would not play in the AL, would only play for a contender and preferred to play for a West Coast team. Jim Hendry got permission from the higher-ups to, as he put it, "go kick the tires". He had a meeting with Maddux and Boras in November and left a standing offer of two years and $12 million which he knew would not get Maddux. Hendry however put no pressure on Maddux and merely said would love to have him back with the Cubs but it was his choice. At that time, the Dodgers were dysfunctional, being in ownership flux, and the Padres signed David Wells, and only the Cardinals publicly expressed interest (albeit by asking their other pitchers if they would defer salary to allow a signing).

The last weekend before the start of spring training, Hendry met with Maddux and Boras; the Cubs counteroffered this: if the Cubs would put in a 3rd year which would vest after 400 innings in the first two, Maddux would sign. And thus, with an OK from the Trib suits, the prodigal regurned home.

The press conference the next day was extraordinary. The normally stoic Maddux was clearly emotional about returning and Hendry was positively beaming about having convinced him to do so.

Maddux is one of the few guys around who truly loves pitching at Wrigley Field; as he told the press that day:

Wrigley always has been a special place to me. You love to play in front of fans who actually care about the game. They come to watch the ballgame and at the same time, have their fun. Players sense that. It makes you enjoy being at the park even more.
Sports Illustrated ranked the Cubs "Fab Five" (in order as Wood, Prior, Clement, Maddux and Zambrano) and picked them as the top rotation in the major leagues. That list would be turned on its head during the season. Maddux had a a shaky start in 2004 including a disastrous Opening Day but after chewing on the Mets in one key game at the end of April, he got into good form. He was, of course, no longer the 26 year old kid they let walk, but a 38 year old "professor" whose "fastball" was now even slower but whose brain was working even faster.

In July he pitched back to back complete games and as always he never missed a start. In August he was gunning for the magical win #300 which clearly meant far more to the public than to Maddux who loathed the attention. One of Maddux's many appealing qualities is his lack of ego and total disinterest in media attention. He cares about winning and having fun, the rest is an annoyance. In a nicely heartfelt tribute at the time of his 300th SI's Tom Verducci wrote:

In 23 years of covering major league baseball, I never have come across a player whose ego was more diametrically opposed to his talent than you.
When Maddux did get #300 in San Francisco he not only resisted chants by the Giants' fans (and many Cub fans in attendance) to come out and take a bow, he tried to sneak out of the park before being caught and doused with champagne by his teammates. Maddux explained his ability to separate being a star athlete from a guy who liked to go to Burger King with his family without being noticed this way: "Around the ballpark they know who you are, but you go a couple of miles down the road, dude, they got no clue."

The rest of the 2004 season was not exactly the homecoming Cub fans had dreamed of, but Maddux has a good year. He lead the team in innings and tied with Carlos Zambrano to lead the team in wins with 16, but his ERA of 4.02 was his highest since his rookie year.

2005 got worse for both Maddux and the Cubs. While politely fending off endless inquiries responding to Dusty Baker's assertion that he was considering retirement, Maddux was in fact staying in too long and getting too little run support. It was not a happy season and for the first time since 1987 (which was not even a full season) Maddux failed to win 15 games or finish at or over .500. His string of 17 consecutive seasons of winning at least 15 games, a major league record, was snapped.

While it is a cliché to say how much a player loves baseball, it is hard to imagine a player who loves and appreciates it more than Greg Maddux. Maddux loves everything about baseball. Unlike most pitchers who dread hitting and think of fielding as a chore, Maddux loves to hit and field. On his off days he shags balls and takes endless batting practice, usually practicing bunts.

His physical limitations made being a position player a non starter but it doesn't stop him from trying. Like his Cy Young awards, his 16 Gold Gloves are not the result of being a naturally gifted fielder but of player who practices fielding obsessively and knows from what he is throwing where to position himself to field the ground balls he inevitably induces.

Here's another from SI's Tom Verducci, who followed Maddux in 2004 in the games leading up to win #300:

The four days between (starts) are still a blast for you. On a recent trip to Philadelphia, you ran down balls in the outfield during batting practice, then drove the bat boy bonkers with your throws back to him. You'd load up a spitter and it would move so much he couldn't catch it. Or you'd wait until you had two baseballs and throw one high and soft to him and as he watched that one, you'd bounce a low one at his feet. One of those throws clanked off his shins and both of you laughed like a couple of kids at recess.
Batting is the one thing in baseball that I think Maddux envies in other players, pitchers in particular. He said he is more impressed by Mike Hampton's seven home runs in a season than Barry Bonds breaking the season HR record.

He loves taking batting practice. One of his Braves' hitting coaches said, "You can't get him out of the cage. He'll hit till his hands bleed if you let him." Maddux makes the most of what he can do at the plate, and he can bunt as well as any player in the game. Since he realizes this is the best way to help his team win, he again practices bunts endlessly every week, and is 3rd among active players in sacrifice bunts behind Glavine and Omar Vizquel. When he was young he had significantly more speed and somewhat better power. And in two seasons, 1995 and 1998, he achieved one of his most sought-after goals, having a higher BA than ERA (he peaked in 95 at .240). Maddux says the hitting highlight of his career was his double off Kerry Wood in game 3 of the 1998 NLCS at Wrigley Field, in large part because Wood was such a good pitcher, so he felt getting a hit off him was an honor.

Maddux's generosity in helping other players is well known but many of you young folks might see this as some recent development of a cagey veteran advising young players. Not so. Back to his earliest years in the majors, fellow pitchers and coaches would go to him to advice. His knowledge of opposing hitters was legendary at an early age. Just 4 years ago when explaining how he let Maddux leave, Larry Himes admitted that he had "misunderstood" his influence. He thought that Maddux looked to older guys like Sutcliffe or Scott Sanderson for advice but he found out that "it was the other way round. The veteran guys followed in his footsteps. I didn't realize the impact of that until after he left."

There are enough stories told by fellow players of Maddux helping them that it would fill a small book, from veterans like Sutcliffe, Glavine, Smoltz and kids like Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall.

Maddux dismisses it all by saying, "People think I am smart? You know what makes you smart? Locate your fastball down and away. That is what makes you smart." Needless to say it is hardly that simple. Here is merely the most recent of the numerous tributes to Maddux's skill and generosity on helping others which appeared last month in Buster Olney's letter section on ESPN.com from a major league pitcher who preferred not to be indentified (but who might, in fact, have been Jason Marquis) responding to a previous question about Maddux's influence on younger players in particular being "overrated":

I attended spring training with the Braves major league team in 2000, and Maddux was incredibly helpful to me. He took time each day to work with me on throwing a changeup. I literally spent every day for a month being tutored by one of the greatest pitchers in the history of the game and I think Maddux did it because he enjoyed helping a young guy out and enjoyed teaching. Beyond that, he always took moments throughout the day to provide "teaching points" on whatever we were doing, whether it was while we were taking PFP [pitcher fielding practice] or while we were in the batting cage. He didn't just share his thoughts with me, but with all of the young pitchers in camp. I think I learned more about baseball in that month I spent with him than in my entire career up to that point.
On the Cubs it was Marshall and, interestingly, Matt Murton who seemed to hang around Maddux the most for advice. Murton must be one smart guy because Maddux had previously explained that he hung around almost exclusively with pitchers because they could talk about "pitching and golf" whereas position players wanted to talk about "hitting and other stuff". Murton was clever enough to realize that Maddux knew as much about hitting as he does about pitching even if he can't perform it as well. The time Murton spent with Greg also gave him the nickname "Orange Guy", permanently tagged on him by Maddux. Greg Maddux also has a reputation as a notorious prankster. When asked what the most amazing thing was about his brother, Mike Maddux responded: "That he has been able to keep that choirboy image. He's got this, I don't know what you call it but this sense of humor like no one else". In a long profile by Thomas Boswell in 1998, numerous Braves teammates and coaches kept extolling Maddux's funny side but when pressed they could not come up with a single example. When Boswell asked Maddux he said:
They won't give examples because you can't print any of it (and this, for a profile written for Playboy magazine!). With my sense of humor the more disgusting something is the funnier it is to me.
So, we are not talking sophisticated stuff, but it's exactly the kind of thing that has lightened up every clubhouse he has been a part of, and it may even take the sting out of all the money he wins from his fellow players (not to mention sportswriters) in poker games.

2006 started magically for Maddux. In his first four starts he was 3-0 with an ERA of 0.98. He was named pitcher of the month for April and it prompted a piece by Joe Sheehan in Baseball Prospectus which may come closest to my views (minus the compliments towards Clemens, who is the anti-Madduix in so many ways):

Maddux is my favorite pitcher ever. I used to build my schedule around catching his starts when he was in his prime, wanting to see if this was the day he completed a game in 70 pitches, or forced SportsCenter to come on 70 minutes early, or threw a three-hit shutout on the gravity-free surface of the moon. So even though I know this is just four starts, not meaningful or likely the start of a Clemensesque career kick, I have to say that it's hard for me to be completely rational about it. Maddux is one of the, what, five greatest pitchers in history, and he has a Q rating comfortably wedged between Kevin Goldstein (another BP writer) and the guy who made your mocha this morning. In an era defined as much by an obsessive media as anything else, all we really know about Maddux is his work and his enjoyment of golf. His ratio of accomplishment to exposure is as high as any player ever; he's like the baseball inverse of Paris Hilton. While fully expecting Maddux to finish the season as a six-WARP pitcher, throwing 200 innings with an ERA in the high-3.00s, we can take this opportunity to admire what he's accomplished in his career. Even if he ends up being worth less than Clemens in the end, he'll have some markers in terms of efficiency, pace and approach that Clemens didn't. Sometimes, you just have to get your head out of a stat book and watch a game once in a while.
By midsummer 2006, Maddux was struggling with an ERA close to 5 and he was miserable. As the trade deadline approached rumors swirled and while insisting publicly that he only wanted to do what was best for the team, in retrospect it was clear that he wanted out and that it was best for the Cubs, IF they could get something for him.

Trading Maddux would not be simple in part because his usual preferences for contending National League teams preferably in the West would have to be observed. This wasn't really a problem, since both the Dodgers and Padres clearly wanted him, but neither wanted to give up much to get him. Jim Hendry clearly wanted to accommodate Maddux's desire but needed something in return. Things were very uncertain for Maddux's future with the Cubs when he started the July 29 game vs. the Cardinals. Maddux threw six-plus innings, giving up one run, and when lifted in the 7th, the crowd, sensing it might be there last time to pay tribute to Maddux as a Cub rose in a deafening cheer, and Maddux, walking off the mound, did something he almost never does, tipping his cap.

The trade deadline of 3 pm CT passed the following Monday in Chicago with no announcement but about 10 minutes later the deal to the Dodgers for former All Star SS Cesar Izturis was officially annouced. Maddux had escaped from a disastrous Cub season and Hendry had gotten a player he could present as reasonable return. That day, and in fact, to this day, this site and other Cub blogs have been filled with the comments of irate fans, most of them relieved to see the traded player go, happy for Maddux, but angry about getting a "rotten" player in return.

Maddux made his debut as a Dodger that Thursday in Cincinnati, where he pitched 6 no-hit innings before a rain delay. With the Dodgers clinging to a two run lead, Maddux did not return after the delay though he was certainly capable of doing so having thrown only 60 pitches. As was typical of Maddux, he explained that with a two run lead he could not allow the team to take the risk even though he felt fairly good. He told manager Grady Little that he had pitched a no-hitter in high school and that was enough for him. A week later Maddux pitched 8 shut out innings against the Giants using just 68 pitches.

Maddux was essentially reborn with the Dodgers going 6-3 with an ERA of 3.30. vs. his 9-11 record and 4.69 era with the Cubs. It can reasonably be argued that this had to do with playing in a pitcher friendly park, and having better fielding and better run support. All of this is true but no doubt the biggest factor was playing for a winning team that was fighting for a post season slot, which they eventually won. Maddux admitted that in the end with the Cubs, he had been basically playing for himself. After his last game at Wrigley Field, Maddux said:

I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago.
In the last 20 years baseball has been dominated by power pitchers, power hitters and media saturation, but none of it seems to have Greg Maddux other than to make him stand out even more. Of all the hundreds of Maddux stories I have read, here's one, a very simple one, that sums up not only what kind of ballplayer he is, but what kind of man he is.

In 2004 as he approached his 300th win, sportswriter Bob Nightengale, who had followed him for years, asked him what was his most memorable confrontation. Maddux said without hesitation that it was striking out Dave Martinez to end a game a few years earlier. So why was this matchup more special than a crucial postseason at-bat, or striking out a more famous player in a big game? Maddux explained:

I remember that one because he got a hit off me in the same situation (full count, bases loaded, two out in the 9th inning) seven years earlier. I told myself if I ever got in the same situation again, I'll pitch him differently. It took me seven years but I got him.
When asked by Nightengale what the pitch was he used, Maddux replied. "I can't say. That's not right. Look, the day you start bragging is the day it bites you in the ass. I've seen it happen over and over." This is the essence of Maddux, a mind that plots out anywhere from one pitch to seven years ahead and is old school enough to know to never show up another player or let any secrets out.

Maddux will often say that he is on "extra credit", meaning that he never expected to have such a long and successful career doing what he loves and being paid huge sums for it. I think that baseball fans are on "extra credit" every time he pitches. When he goes into the Hall of Fame in 7 or 10 years (as befits his love of the game and lack of ego Maddux says he will play as long as "someone will give me a shirt") he will be wearing a Braves cap and that is as it should be but as he said when he left the Cubs, part of his heart will always be in Chicago. This is what he said about playing in Chicago, during his final season here in 2006:

There's a different atmosphere, a different tone, vibe, buzz playing a game at Wrigley, Yankee Stadium had that. We had it in Atlanta at one time. But it never goes away here. When you play 162 games and you're able to play half of them here that is something special.
And for more than nine seasons, we had that "something special" in one of the game's all-time greatest pitchers, Greg Maddux. Savor the memories. Players like him may never pass this way again.

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This is very long...
...and I look forward to reading it!
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 1, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, also...
...I have that rookie card!
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 1, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is not his rookie card
1987 is, that is his 1990 Upper deck card. sorry
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 1, 2007 6:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my fault did not
scroll down to see the Donruss card, sorry about that.
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 1, 2007 6:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks
I really enjoyed it, even though most of the anecdotes were familiar to me. Maddux is one of my all-time favorites, and I've been watching him since he was a rookie in 1986 with that funny mustache. Back in the early days, Maddux definitely displayed more emotion on the mound than he does today, and overcoming those emotional outbursts was key to his later success. Back then, he'd throw a bad pitch, and you'd hear him (on the TV) yell "FUCK!"

Looking back, there are some similarities between the young Maddux and the young Carlos Zambrano. Both were overly emotional on the mound and sometimes let their emotions affect their pitching. A common lament about Maddux back in the early 1990s was that he could go 6 innings of near-perfect baseball, let up a hit or a walk to start the 7th, and then totally lose his composure, allow several hits and runs, and have to be relieved. Eventually he learned not to let one mistake bother him, and hopefully Zambrano will someday reach that level of maturity as well.

Although you mention a 76-pitch CG Maddux threw, his low-pitch CG came for the Cubs in September 1988 vs. the Expos, when he threw just 64 pitches in a 9-inning CG.

Also, Maddux early in his career sometimes pitched into extra innings, doing so in consecutive starts in May 1988. First, he threw a 10-inning shutout vs. the Padres on May 11, and then on May 17 he went 10.2 innings vs. the Cardinals, losing the game when he allowed 3 runs in the 11th. He'd gone into the 11th having allowed no runs. It was around then that we Cub fans realized we had something special on our hands in this 22-year old kid who looked too young to be in the majors, and when he was 15-3 at the All Star break, we knew it was no fluke.

However, the rest of the baseball world took a few years to recognize his talent - not until the Cy Young season of 1992 did he start getting acknowledged by media outside of Chicago as one of the best pitchers in baseball.

"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 9:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great job

That was long, but well worth reading.  You are indeed right, we'll never see his kind again. Someday, if the miracle happens and the Cubs DO make it to the Series, wouldn't it be great to have Greg throw out the first ball at one of the games?

by KedzieKid on Feb 1, 2007 9:19 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well..
... he couldn't do that till after he retired.

I'm guessing the Cubs would pick either Ernie Banks or Ron Santo for that honor.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 9:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He still uses fuck all the time
But not as loudly. It is his way of blowing off
steam. I don't recall his being that emotional on
the mound though I do remember him calling out
Dave Parker one day. It  was funny. Seriously he
always had the rep for keeping his emotions under
control even if it took a string of obsentities to help him do it. It was on the base paths in particular he seemed to show more emotion.
FYI That moustache made him look like a Junior
High kid who grew it so he could look older to
buy ciggarettes
I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 9:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Article Jessica
Thanks so much for writing about your (and my)favorite player.  Orange Guy will forever be better for hanging with Mad Dog.

by Ihatethecards on Feb 1, 2007 9:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where do I begin
first off, it took me two sittings to read this, and, you have captured more than enough of my favorite pitcher of all time. Watching a guy strike out players is OK, but watching Maddux tease, flirt and destroy batters with a pitch that looks like a whiffle ball is amazing. Jessica, I could go on forever but what a nice tribute, no a great tribute, to the master. We only hope we all cross paths with him at Wrigley again.
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 1, 2007 6:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure if you know this
But as a kid Mike and Greg were trained by their dad
to practice with a whiffle ball  and according to Mike
"Did you ever try throwing a whiffle ball for a strike"

Maybe that explains his movement

I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 6:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I met
his high school coach once...he was up for national coach of the year in baseball. I told him Greg was my favorite pitcher and asked him what it was like to see one of his former players on TV all the time. His reply (you could probably guess) "I never thought Greg was going to be THAT good". He is that good.
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 1, 2007 7:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hall of Fame
With all the recent discussion about the Hall of Fame and unanimous votes, it would seem to me that while Cal Ripken did have a good case for a unanimous vote, the "anti" votes could always point to something trivial, like claiming that he was selfish.  But what possible reason could anyone give for not putting Maddux in the Hall of Fame?   His stats?  300 wins, 3000k's and few walks?   His clubhouse demeanor?  He's considered one of the best.  His off the field "citizenship"?   He's highly regarded.   Post season?  Okay, he is below .500 in the world series (with an ERA of 2.09) but he did play for a World Champion.  

If Maddux isn't put into the HoF with a unanimous vote, they should revoke the writer's voting right.

by frustratedfan on Feb 1, 2007 9:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well with his build
couldn't some unnamed Chicago area writer not vote for him because he might have used steroids?

by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 9:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL
Yet another reason that some writers should have their voting privileges revoked.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 9:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seaver
I believe Seaver came closest of any HOFer to receiving a unanimous vote. I imagine Maddux, whose career is quite a bit like Seaver's (minus the no-hitter), will come close to Seaver's HOF voting record.

But you never know what those writers will do. Some writers avoided selecting Ted Williams for the HOF simply because they didn't like him personally. Even Hank Aaron couldn't get every writer to vote for him. You have to wonder what they were thinking.

"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 9:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Answer:
They WEREN'T thinking.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 10:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaron
My guess is that when Aaron was voted in in 1982 there may still have been writers around who started covering baseball well before Jackie Robinson, and who never wanted blacks in the league. Aaron was especially discomforting to these racists, because he broke the white Ruth's homer record.

Of course, back when he played, some didn't consider Ruth to be white. I understand that Ty Cobb once called Ruth "that nigger."

"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 10:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you summed up
the reason I can't take the HoF seriously.  Some of these writers actually think they are part of the game, not just covering it.  How anyone could possibly justify not voting for Aaron is absolutely beyond me.  Perhaps it was racism, but these idiot sportwriters will find any "ism" they can to try to magnify thier own self importance.  

Bruce Miles, if you're reading, I don't mean you.

When it comes to Maddux, I'm sure that writers won't vote for him because he didn't have super outstanding playoff numbers.  
   

by NO100 on Feb 1, 2007 3:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a cry for attention.
Baseball writers all claim to take the voting responsibilities "very seriously".  They all say that.  And I believe that most do.  But the fact that there has never been a unanimous selection, plus the fact that every year there are a few guys who have no chance at all at being elected who receive one or two votes proves that there are some voters who view the whole thing as a big joke, or as a desperate attempt to gain their 15 minutes of fame.  I was so mad when ESPN granted an interview to one of the voters who did not vote for anyone this past year.  Instead of just ignoring him, ESPN gave him exactly what he wanted: attention.  It made me sick.  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Feb 1, 2007 9:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more.
n/t
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 9:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Job!!!
It just had to be killing Mad Dog last year to be sitting in the middle of that train wreck.

by deadcatbounce on Feb 1, 2007 10:40 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems to me...
Maddux is WAY overrated as a Cub by Cubs fans based on sentimentality. I understand all these rankings, and how they work, Al, but it seems like Maddux was so great as a Brave, and Cubs fans feel SO slighted by the management that he didn't have those years as a Cub, they want SOMETHING to feel good about, so they claim his accomplishments as a Brave as if they were as a Cub, without ever saying or thinking that explicitly.

I was born in 1980, but I wasn't a follower of the Cubs until '93, '94, '95. Hearing how so many of you talk about "how he got away", I thought he would have had at least one, maybe two Mark Prior 2003-type seasons BEFORE his '92 Cy Young. (They were good, but nothing spectacular.)

I guess, for me, I love Greg Maddux. No doubt about it. And although not as much as others, definitely still a lot. But I grew up as a baseball fan knowing him as a Brave. He has meant very little to me AS A CUB, other than what could have been a great No. 4/5 pitcher on a team riddled with injuries. Had he retired as a Cub, or had one more great season as a Cub, maybe I'd feel differently.

I guess it just seems to me that putting him this high is more of a tribute to him as a person and his career overall, not what he was as a Cub. Which I'm fine with, since it's Al's personal opinions on these. I guess I'd just like to see the actual stats for the nine years as a Cub (ERA+, W/L, ERA, all the other stats which I don't have the know-how to do) and see how THAT really compares.

(I apologize if this is choppy. I was writing it over 2 hours at work. I've added and subtracted much here. I don't mind being berated for my views, and won't defend them further. It's just my opinion. And, like I said, I've been a fan of Maddux's his ENTIRE career. I just think he's vastly overrated as a Cub.)

EINSTEIN!

by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:00 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maddux team rankings:
Wins: 13th
Games: 14th
Innings: 12th
Strikeouts: 4th (despite not really being a strikeout pitcher)
Games Started: 5th
CG: 50th (despite not pitching in a CG era)
Shutouts: 21st

The nine-plus seasons included a playoff year, and take a look at his first big year, 1988, when he was only 22; he was 15-3 with a 2.13 ERA on July 15, before declining some in the 2nd half.

It's more than just sentimentality. Those six years were better than any Cub postwar pitcher except Fergie Jenkins. Thus, I think this ranking is absolutely justified.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...
those were the types of things I was looking for. That's why I said it "seems". Also, after I thought about it, I realized that the Cubs really do stink and have had very, very few great players play their entire careers, or majority, with the Cubs. Seeing the past 10 or so players on this list, even in the "early days", only had a few great years with the Cubs. Tinkers, Evers, Wilson, Dahlman...

Therefore, in relativity, nine really good seasons (as a whole) is going to make a pitcher look great. Comparing his those nine years to other nine-year stretches (of other pitchers--Maddux himself) is hardly spectacular. But then, this is the Cubs we're talking about. I'm learning what makes being a Cubs fan so awesome.

EINSTEIN!

by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thinking further....
... I'd say Rick Reuschel came close to accomplishing what Maddux did as a Cub; he's the only other post-1945 pitcher who did so.

And Reuschel's #31 ranking here reflects that.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if Babe Ruth had played one game for the cubs,
he would have to be considered one of the greatest to play for the cubs. I think Al could have been justified in putting Maddux even higher based on the  fact that maddux is in ,what, the top 25 pitures who ever played?

nice writin cubbiejulie!

That's where they got that Picasso.

by WrigleyCat on Feb 1, 2007 1:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cubbiejulie...
... is indeed a very good writer, but she didn't write this one. Jessica did. Credit where credit is due.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh,
and I did love the whole thing.
EINSTEIN!

by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:06 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jessica's write-up that is...
I loved reading the whole thing.
EINSTEIN!

by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How is Maddux
not a Top 10 Cubs player of all-time?  He's arguably the greatest player to have ever worn a Cubs uniform.  

by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed
18 is way too damn low.
TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 12:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definitely.
I can't argue his stats were that great, but I'm often reminded that stats aren't everything and I feel like Al has missed this one in a HUGE way.  He may not have accomplished the things we would have liked in a Cubs uniform, but if someone can find me a better pitcher than Greg maddux who wore a Cubs uniform then I'd be very interested to know who it is.  His best years were undoubtedly in Atlanta, but he was still Greg Maddux...he developed into that great pitcher while a Cub and came back one of the greatest of all-time.  

by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you look at...
... the rest of this list, you will see why.

There are four pitchers left on the list. Two of them are Hall of Famers, one of the others should be, and the fourth is the guy who leads the club all-time list in wins.

Again, he ranks this "low" -- and I don't think 18 is "low" -- because he spent his BEST years with another team. This is a Cub list. Yes, Greg Maddux is probably the best pitcher to ever wear a Cub uniform. Too bad his best years didn't coincide with him wearing it.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 12:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But his best years
are a result of the years he spent in a Cubs uniform.  

Please don't tell me Mark Grace is yet to come in this list.  I don't believe you've listed him yet and I can't stand the guy so having him ranked higher than Maddux in any list is going to raise my blood pressure.  

by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 1:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's as a Cub
Somewhere around 20 is about right.  If you want to say the Cubs years started his career then Lou Brock belongs on the list.  He started as a Cub.

Easily the following 10 should be higher than Maddux so under no circumstances is he top 10: Banks, Cavaretta, Anson, Sandberg, Santo, Hack, Williams, Hartnett, Jenkins and Brown.

As for Grace, you have a case IMO.  In fact yesterday I said that I thought either Grace or Maddux would be next.          

by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 1:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude
Brock didn't adorate Chicago, Maddux does.
TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 1:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the logic of where did he start his career
Brock would still belong somewhere on the list.  

IMO, the only two players remaining that you might be able to argue should be below Maddux are Grace and depending on your steroid view, Sosa.  So Maddux is still no better than 16.    

by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 1:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
the fact that Grace will get in the Top 20 irks me. Overrated jackass.
TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 1:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't stand that man.
If there was a list of the most selfish Cubs of all-time he'd be number 1 without doubt.  He makes Sammy look like a humanitarian and Bonds look like a, well, a human being.  

by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 2:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately I have to agree
There's one stat that I would assume ranks him higher -- "leading the major leagues in hits in the 90's." So, since Tony Gwynn couldn't pull that off, I assume that's the defining statistic.
It couldn't be his sterling, hypocritical personality.

Also, baseball reference.com says Grace is "similar to Bill Buckner." Buckner's at #35. I've thought the ranking for most were appropriate -- but Grace's ranking (whatever it is -- is too high, if it's above Maddux.)

Or Buckner's ranking  is way too low.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 1, 2007 2:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can see...
... your personal feelings in here, and that's OK. That's part of the fun of doing this list, is that people will have disagreements on the rankings.

Clearly, your top 100 would be different than mine. Doing this sort of thing is VERY subjective.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grace
Why all the animosity about Grace? Sure, he had some personality issues. Maybe some of you wouldn't want to be friends with him. But the guy was one of the most consistent hitters the Cubs ever had, a superb defensive first baseman, and carried a winning attitude onto the field. His contributions helped get the Cubs into two posteseasons - 1989 and 1998. Not sure he deserves to be top-20, but he definitely doesn't deserve all the barbs he's gotten from some posters.

Also - I think Maddux was ranked about right, though perhaps he should have been a few spots farther back. What he accomplished as a Cub wasn't really that much more impressive than what Reuschel did with the Cubs. I think the people here clamoring for Maddux to be rated even higher (including the one poster who said he couldn't think of a better Cub pitcher ever) are letting their views get colored by the fact that they witnessed Maddux pitch but aren't old enough to have seen some of the greats of the past. Does the name Fergie Jenkins ring a bell with any of you? All he did for the Cubs was win 20 games six years in a row. That's an accomplishment Maddux never even came close to achieving, with the Cubs or anywhere else.

"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 2:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For what ever reason, he and the Cubs
have kissed and made up. Grace, who stopped being a dummy now realizes that he has a much better future somehow being connected with the Cubs than the D-Backs.

His petulant attitude when the Cubs decided not to re-sign him (after all -- his production WAS declining) was awful. It was a business deal. These athletes jump ship all the time. I don't see them saying "I'm sorry, I'm going to take more money" and leave.

This time it worked in reverse. And his feelings were hurt. Too damn bad. And, eventually, he rubbed his World Series Ring in the face of all Cubs fans. It was very noticeable. Perhaps his barbs were aimed at Andy McPhail, but I think he should have made that clear. Or, perhaps he thought he was bulletproof with Cubs fans. I guess with the crowd he recently drew at Cubs Fest, I guess he's the one who was right. He was a immature, spoiled athlete that wanted..."revenge." Fine. Use that as personal motivation, just don't piss all over Cubs fans.

That's what Mark Grace did -- to US. So I don't give a damn what happens in his career.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 1, 2007 3:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fergie Jenkins
should be Top 10 -- possibly Top 5.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 1, 2007 3:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
The only Fergie question is whether he or Brown go down as the top Cub pitcher.  Interestingly both have 6 consecutive 20 win seasons for the Cubs.  I don't think you could go wrong with either.  Brown could get the nod thanks to the World Series appearances.    

by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 3:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some things...
as has been said by Al countless times, don't show up on a stat sheet.  This is one of them.  He's one of the greatest pitchers in the history of this game and he accomplished his amazing stats during an offensive era.  

this is one of those things I put up there with why Bruce Sutter belongs in the HOF.  It's not because of his numbers, which are not Hall worthy, but the guy made popular what is perhaps the most successful pitch in baseball history.

Maddux belongs higher.  Not because of what he did as a Cub, but because of the attachments we've all had and what he has meant to the Cubs and Cubs fans over all of these years.  He's at least top 10.

by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in my life
I've never seen a player with the tremendous amount of respect Greg Maddux has for Chicago and the Cubs. That alone has to be worth something more.
TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 12:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.
If this was a Best Cubs Career List it might be warranted, but this is the Best Cubs list.  I can't think of a player who has been better than Greg Maddux who wore a Cubs jersey.  

by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I can.
And you will see some of them upcoming.

Think of it this way -- what if Maddux' Cub years were his entire career? How high would you rank him then?

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 1:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
He had three great years as a Cub: 1988, 1989 and 1992. The rest ranged from good (1991) to mediocre (1990, 2004-2006) to downright awful (1987).
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 2:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
If we looked at "career", Raffy Palmiero might be in the top 25, but he doesn't get a sniff based on his Cub days.  

by frustratedfan on Feb 1, 2007 3:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My question is, then...
what if he never would have come back as a Cub? Does that change it?

What about if, much like we are arguing about Zambrano, they failed to get an extension before the '92 season and had traded him? And also never came back?

Surely, that would have an affect. I, at first, thought this was actually too high, as I said above, but seeing the relativity to others and what they've done in a Cubs uniform, it seems about right to me.

EINSTEIN!

by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 3:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Consider this.
Let's say Z has a great year in 2007 and the Cubs make the playoffs, or even the WS. (OK, this is just for an example.)

In that case I would probably move Z up 15 or 20 slots from where he is now.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Job!!
I'll throw in an afterward: I was at Dodger stadium last August when he faced barry Bonds, which was the first time a 300 win pitcher had EVER faced a plyer with 700+ homers.

Bonds smoked a hard liner that Maddux casually speared with about a 6 inch jump.

Chavez Ravine went nuts. It is one of my top baseball memories, and one of the few times Ive gone to see the Dodgers when they weren't playing the Cubbies.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Feb 1, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great article.
I have been to probably or 18 or 19 Cubs games in the past two years and have only seen them win 3 times. Fortunately, one of those was pitched by Greg Maddux. I hated to see him go, but I was happy to see him playing meaningful baseball down the stretch. Everytime I was fortunate enough to watch him pitch I try to to soak it all in. He's certainly one of the best.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Feb 1, 2007 1:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been very lucky....
...I've seen Maddux in two very defining moments over the last couple years.

His last game as a Cub ever, and the Roger Clemens vs. Greg Maddux game. I'll be telling my grandkids those stories.

What an amazing person.

by FukudomeAtLarge on Feb 1, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maddux a favorite
Thanks so much !
Great article.
Remembering being extremely upset
when he signed with Atlanta.
I was present at the playoff game
in '89 when he got hit hard against
the Giants. Was so sorry he never
got a chance to redeem himself in
a playoff game as a Cub after that.
Hoping he does well with San Diego
this year.

          See you in the bleachers
           John T.

Cubspizza

by quarryfan on Feb 1, 2007 2:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just catching up
Having a personal crisis today as an EVIL entity is trying to fire
my best friend from a job he has for 30 years so been off line
for the last 5 hours.

I really want to thank Al. You guys know what my posts are like?
Imagine 20 paragraphs of that to edit. I did actually spell check
and some punctuating but Al really had a lot of work on his hand to get it in shape. Now I just might forgive him for voting for Kerry Wood as his FAVORITE Cub pitcher in a poll at the start of the 2005 season

 I don't really have a problem with the ranking. It's a tough balancing act between Maddux being one of the greatest pitchers and players ever and the fact that the majority of his
best years where with another team. Mostly I just wanted folks to understand how really special he was. It is true that Al said to add "all" my stories but  you think THIS is long? If  I had added ALL the GOOD stories it would be literally 5 times as long

On HOF issue, there is no question in my mind that Maddux will
get the highest percentage of all time and very likely be the only
guy to go in with 100% vote. The bottom line is EVERYONE really
loves the guy, Fans, fellow players and those ever finicky writers.
Even on the issue of steroids Maddux's laconic sense of humor
comes out. He said that if he did take them " I should get a refund" and
"Maybe I should get on the stuff, so I'd hold up better.
Get a bigger neck, get some zits on my back."

I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 3:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

20 paragraphs?
This is, bar none, the longest profile you will read in the top 100 series. It took me several hours over a two-week period to finish editing and cleaning up the formatting.

All worth it, BTW.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I said you could edit it.
Not my fault he is so much fun.
Ok I will buy you TWO big gulps during the season
I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I said it was worth it.
But I accept the second Big Gulp.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I ranked
Maddux 37th overall.  The pitchers ahead of him: Brown, Jenkins, Vaughn, Alexander, Clarkson, Corcoran, Sutter, Lee Smith, Reulbach, Root, Warneke, and Overall.

Go ahead, flame me.

by Clark Addison on Feb 1, 2007 3:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

question for al about the 100 list
is the list the 100 best players to put on a cub uniform or 100 best players WHILE in a cubs uniform?  

Cause if it's the former, I would rank Maddux in the top 10 atleast

by DTJchris on Feb 1, 2007 3:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe
The list only looks at players' accomplishments as Cubs. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Al. That's why Rogers Hornsby was so far down the list. Yes, he was one of the greatest hitters ever. But he had his best seasons when he wasn't a Cub, therefore he doesn't appear anywhere near the top of this list.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 4:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Danimal is correct.
I looked primarily at their Cub accomplishments, taking some of the rest of their careers into account. As posted above, if Maddux's career had been ONLY his nine Cub seasons, he might not have made the top 50 here.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah...
That makes sense, I was also wondering this when hornsby came up but never got around to asking.  

by DTJchris on Feb 1, 2007 4:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely as a Cub
otherwise the list would be a lot different.  Brock, Roberts, Klein and Ashburn are some HOF'ers that appeared in Cubs uniform that don't make this list.  Obviously Hornsby is on the list and would be higher looking at the career.

by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 4:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great article
Maddux is one of my all time favorite players. I am still upset we did not keep him in Chicago - again.
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Feb 1, 2007 4:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's just stupid.
I love Maddux, but does he rate this highly during his tenure in a Cub uniform? Very doubtful. He had 1 Cy Young. If we're looking at entire careers, what about Jamie Moyer, Joe Carter, or Rafael "Palermo"?
MoFo!

by Blood Brother on Feb 1, 2007 4:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's see.
How many other Cub pitchers won CYA's?

Jenkins.

Sutcliffe.

Sutter.

That's it. The other players you mention hardly were blips on Cub radar. Maddux had nine good to excellent seasons in a Cub uniform.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 5:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Jessica!
I really enjoyed this! It makes me miss mad dog even more. I loved the anecdotes and stories! I will never forget him!
ZAMBRANO!

by KChiCubs on Feb 1, 2007 6:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks so much.
A pitcher myself in college, who only could dream to have the knowledge like Maddux, enjoyed the read.
I still to this day, have bitterness towards Larry Himes, nickeled and dimed Maddux. Anyone with an ounce of baseball smarts knew what Maddux was all about. Good God, Juan Guzman, Candy Maldenaldo, Willie Wilson and Randy Myers were the Cubs FA's signings that year, no comment needed.
 Great pitcher, just wished he pitched more in Cubby Blue.
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 1, 2007 6:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I ranked Maddux
37th on the basis of what he did as a Cub.  Had there been Cy Young awards in the early 20th century, Brown, Reulbach, Vaughn, and Warneke would have won their share.

Hornsby, though, had one monster year in 1929: .380, 39 homers.  Ranking him fare below Kingman makes no sense.

by Clark Addison on Feb 1, 2007 7:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He wasn't ranked
"far" below Kingman. He was ranked one slot below Kingman. Hornsby had the one great year as a Cub. Granted, they won the pennant, and didn't with Kingman.

I'll grant you he could have been ranked higher.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 1, 2007 7:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MADDOG BABEEEE
I lived in Atlanta Ga for close to two years. I was a season ticket holder and have seen Maddux pitch at least 15 games. Every home game he pitched in those two years, I was there. Being that I have always been a Cubbie fan, of course I wore Cubbie garb to Fulton Co. Stadium. I would always get there early to try and grab a Maddux autograph. I succeded twice. The best part of it, was that he actually noticed my CHC's hat. He also remembered me the second time around, nearly 4 months later.

Maddux: Nice hat man.

Goat: Thanks dude, I love the Cubs

Maddux: Me too.

Meeting #2

Maddux: Still wearin' that hat huh.

Goat: Oh yeah, there my favorite...by far

Maddux: Mine too, I still root for them.

by theantigoat on Feb 1, 2007 11:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sob
As previously mentioned the " closest" I ever got to Maddux
was to catch his warm ups from the front row at Spring Training
game in 05. I would not even think of asking for autograph
etc while the man was working.
I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Feb 2, 2007 1:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent work Jessica
It's hard for me to pick "favorites" when it comes to Cub players.  If I had to choose I'd stick with guys like Sandberg, Dawson, Lee Smith and Ron Santo (though he was before my time), but the one that stands out most is Greg Maddux.  I just love the guy, my nickname for him is "Chicago Jesus".  I'm biased obviously but I'd take him over Clemens in their heydays.  It's a shame that Maddux won't be going into Cooperstown in a Cubs uniform but I think you are correct when you say that him going in as a Brave is as it should be.  The only bad thing about him coming back home after his stop over in Atlanta was that he would eventually leave again, either going to another team or retiring.  Last year was the second time we had to sing "Jesus Just Left Chicago".

I was at the game on August 10, 1988 when Maddux won his 16th game.  That was the season when he had 15 wins close to the All-Star break.  He got hit on the forearm by a Kevin McReynolds line drive and was taken out.  I remember years later thinking that it was strange that Maddux didn't catch the ball since he's such a good defender.  At the time it didn't occur to me, probably because he hadn't won so many gold gloves at the time.  It was fun watching him pitch though and I'm glad I can say that I got to see one of the best pitchers, ever, in person.

by pageian on Feb 2, 2007 12:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks
This was well worth the read. In a profile like this it would be easy just to rattle off stats and where they rank in history, but the quotes and stories were really awesome. I especially liked the one about giving the clubhouse guy the keys to his car. Nice work.

by JDay on Feb 3, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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