The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #18 Greg Maddux
I am so sorry.
I'm sure you're puzzled. What am I sorry for? This is the Top 100 profile of one of the greatest pitchers ever to put on a Cub uniform, and a very popular and well-loved player on top of that.
Here's what happened. I was going to write this profile myself, but then I thought, "Who better to write this than this site's #1 Maddux fan, Jessica?"
So I asked her. And when she said she would, I thought it would be fun for all of you to read all the Maddux anecdotes and quotes and stories she's told me over the years. So I said, "Put ALL the stories in the profile."
Little did I know that when she did that, the profile would be as long as a small encyclopedia. I tried to edit it down, but failed. Everything in it is well worth reading.
Now, before you Click "Read More" for the rest..., take a look at Greg's 1991 Upper Deck baseball card -- both the front and the back. Notice anything unusual?


Yes, that's right. That's a card of one of the greatest pitchers ever, with two photos -- neither of which shows him pitching! Maddux, as you likely know, and as you'll read in more detail, is proud of his entire game. He's always been a complete athlete, a student of the game, and I share the anger and disappointment that Jessica and all the rest of you do, that he didn't spend his entire career as a Cub.
Onward. Better get a cup of coffee or a snack. Reading this will take a while, but it's well worth it.
Jessica also gave me a copy of Sports Illustrated from March 1, 2004, in which there was an article about Maddux' return to the Cubs. Included in the article there was a photo of Greg in a Cubs uniform, probably right after he was drafted, where he looked about 13 (the "Bar Mitzvah" shot, in the words of one of Jessica's friends). However, I couldn't for the life of me get a good enough scan of this photo to post.
So in its stead, I present to you Maddux' Donruss 1987 rookie card; in the photo he's sporting something he must have grown to make him look older than a middle schooler -- the famous "pornstar mustache":

And now, get ready for a long morning (or afternoon) of reading!
Profile by BCB reader jessica
Perhaps no player in Cubs history has caused as much hope and frustration, joy and anger as Greg Maddux. While he will forever be thought of as the one that got away in the dumbest Cub move of all time (and possibly the second-dumbest move in baseball history after the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees), the nearly 9 full seasons Maddux played for the Cubs were an integral part of the career of perhaps the greatest all-around player of his generation. Maddux is a special player on the mound, on the bench, in the clubhouse and outside the park.
Gregory Alan Maddux was born April 14, 1966 in San Angelo, Texas, but he did not stay there long enough for anyone to try to turn him into a fireballing good old boy. His father Dave was an Air Force officer and so Greg traveled to various posts around the world as a young child. There is little doubt this had an influence on Maddux, who would become famous for his control on and off the mound.
Greg and his older brother Mike (who would go on to a 15 year career in the majors, mostly as a relief pitcher) played baseball every afternoon with Dave Maddux, who drilled his sons in the fundamentals. When Greg was 8 his father retired from the Air Force and became a poker dealer at the MGM Grand casino in Las Vegas. Greg was intensely competitive at a very young age; according to Mike, he excelled at everything from baseball & golf to poker & chess: "But if Greg couldn't win, he didn't want to play, plain and simple".
In what would become part of his baseball legend, 15 year old Greg began playing in a pick up baseball game in Vegas run by a retired MLB scout named Ralph Medar. Medar taught Greg that location was more important than speed and when in a jam pitch softer not harder -- "Make the balls look like strikes and strikes look like balls" was his motto. In a time when throwing faster and harder was stressed over control and location, Medar told Maddux, "Kid, you throw hard enough to get drafted. But movement is more important than velocity." Years later Maddux would say of Medar's advice, "I believed it. I don't know why. I just did." Medar, sadly, died in 1983 and didn't live to see Maddux drafted, let alone play in the majors. Maddux also gives a lot of credit to his high school coach, Roger Fairless, for instilling the value of control over speed. Fairless remembers being stunned and somewhat frustrated by Maddux's apparent lack of emotion on the mound. Even in his teens Maddux had already developed his signature demeanor of almost preternatural calm. When asked when he first knew his brother was special, Mike said that when he came home from his first year at college, Greg would tag along to play baseball with him and his friends and despite being nearly five years younger, Greg could more than hold his own. When scouts came to look at Mike who would eventually be drafted in 1982, Dave Maddux told them, "You will be back later for the little one".
By his senior year of high school in 1984, Greg Maddux was a highly regarded prospect but his absurdly young and skinny appearance tended to scare baseball scouts off (he was so thin that his mother had to take his uniform in as the regular one would not fit). The local Cubs scout, Doug Mapson, loved Maddux and went out of his way to push him to GM Dallas Green and the Cubs front office. A May 26, 1984 report that he wrote to the Cubs front office prior to the June draft included one of the most prescient sentences in the history of scouting: "I really believe this boy would be the number one player in the country if only he looked a bit more physical."
Luckily for the Cubs, many teams did not see that in the scrawny kid and he passed through the first round (in which the Cubs selected Drew Hall with the 3rd pick) so in the 2nd round with the 31st overall choice the Cubs selected Greg Maddux. After a quick negotiation with Maddux's agent Scott Boras, who got him a decent signing bonus, Greg was sent to Pikeville in the Appalachian League, where he went 6-2 with an ERA of 2.62 in his first few months of professional baseball and he was already making an impression. Darrin Jackson, who played with him that season, recalled: "This kid who looked like he should be in a middle-school lunchroom was shattering bat after bat, making Double-A and Triple-A hitters look like they had no chance. I think he kind of liked being that underdog: 'Yeah, I'm little, but I can get you out.'"
In 1985 Maddux spend the season in Peoria going 13-9 with an ERA of 3.19. In 1986 he went through both AA and AAA. He started in Pittsfield going 4-3 with an ERA of 2.69 before being promoted to Iowa where he went 10-1 with an ERA of 3.02. Maddux was called up to the Cubs on Sept. 1 where at 20 he became the youngest Cub in 20 years. He made an unusual debut on Sept. 2 when he came in as a pinch-runner in the 17th inning of a tie game versus the Astros. Stranded on base, Maddux returned to the dugout to sit down only to be told he was now supposed to pitch. He went out on the mound and gave up a game winning homer to Billy Hatcher. His debut as a starting pitcher went a little better. On Sept. 7 he faced the first place Reds and their power hitting line up. Accompanying Maddux was Cubs minor league pitching instructor Jim Colborn, who said:
"He goes out, gets through the heart of the order with no problem the first time and comes back and sits next to me in dugout. 'Colby,' he says, 'how do I look in my uniform?'"
Maddux pitched a complete game win, giving up 3 runs in nine innings but he finished September 2-4 with an ERA of 5.52. The other win came in Philadelphia against his brother Mike, an MLB first of two rookie brothers facing each other. Though 4 1/2 years younger than Mike, Greg's swift rise through the minors made them rookies in the same season.
In 1987, Maddux was inconsistent at best. He went 6-14 with an ERA of 5.61 but still he gained the attention and admiration of the fans and his fellow players for two incidents not related to his skills as a pitcher and both of which involved Benito Santiago and the Padres. On April 29 Maddux was hit "in the groin area" as they like to say in baseball, by a line drive off the bat of Chris Speier. He barely made it through the inning and was removed from the game. Two days later the Cubs were playing the Padres, losing 5-4 in the 8th. Andre Dawson tied the game with a homer and Maddux was put in to pinch-run for Jody Davis on 2nd. After Dunston singled up the middle, Maddux barreled around 3rd and with Santiago waiting to tag him, just bowled right over him scoring the go ahead run.
The 2nd and more famous incident occurred in late June. Maddux had been pitching poorly and been told by management that if he did not get a win he would be sent to the minors. The Cubs staked him to a large lead by the 3rd inning when Dawson, who had hit three home runs in two days against the Padres, including one in the first inning came to bat. Padres pitcher Eric Show hit him hard in the face, Dawson went down bleeding and a near riot ensued but amazingly no punches were thrown. As the game was not yet official, Sutcliffe and other Cubs told Maddux to wait until the 6th inning to retaliate so he would record a win and not be sent down but Maddux refused and told Sutcliffe he didn't care if he never pitched in the majors again, you had to protect your teammate, so he smoked Santiago in the 4th (Santiago was the 3rd batter up that inning and Maddux had struck out the first two. I think he somehow held Santiago more responsible for the beaning than other position players).
According to Sutcliffe, Dawson, who had to rest his chronically injured knees by taking some games off in his MVP season, never missed playing in a Maddux start that rest of that season. Contrary to part of this legend Maddux was not sent down to Iowa till over a month later after he continued to struggle. In four starts in Iowa, Maddux went 3-0 with an ERA of 0.98 and two complete games.
Maddux became one of the most notorious pranksters in baseball, learned the hard way from the master, Rick Sutcliffe that season. One day, shortly after the team arrived to warm up at the visiting team's field, Maddux was left alone in the dugout on some pretense while Sutcliffe approached one of grounds crew and asked them to tell their "bat boy" that he was not allowed in the dugout before the game. Since Maddux looked ridiculously young the guy went over and told a flustered Maddux to leave the dugout. To this day Sutcliffe will often refer to Maddux as "the bat boy". He was also sent to pick up the drinks in bars or buy beer just so the rest of team could laugh watching him get carded nearly every time.
Still, with those 6-14, 5.61 numbers, Maddux was not going to stick around the majors long if he did not improve. In the winter of 1987-88 he went with Cubs pitching coach Dick Pole and his brother Mike to Venezuela to play winter ball. Future Red Sox manager Terry Francona was his roommate and the thing he remembered best was that their place became a hangout for other American players because Maddux had brought a Nerfball set.
So, in 1988 Maddux returned a changed pitcher. He won 15 of his first 18 starts and finished the year 18-8 with an ERA of 3.18. In retrospect one gleans from Maddux's comments that it was not so much what he might have learned in Venezuela, as what he unlearned:
Maddux "slipped" somewhat in 1990 going 15-15 with an ERA ballooning to 3.46 and then went 15-11 in 1991 with an ERA of 3.35. All the while he increased his reputation as the smartest player in baseball with savant-like memory of every pitch he ever threw and dissecting each opposing batter's weakness.
He never missed a start (dating all the way back to high school). He averaged nearly 247 innings per season in his first 4 full seasons and just under 8 complete games each season. Early in is his Cub career Maddux acquired one of the best baseball nicknames, "Mad Dog". Many baseball nicknames tend to be a play on the person's actual name, physical appearance or skill ("Rocket", "Gonzo", "Big Unit" etc), whereas Maddux's is a wonderful combination of truth and irony. By appearance Maddux was a slight boyish looking player with voice that barely went over a whisper in public and who was completely unflappable on the mound. He was, however a ruthless and tenacious player who mercilessly used every flaw he could find in an opponent and raised his hand at one of his first club meetings to ask what the brushback sign was. He routinely lets out a string of obscenities every time he is unhappy with a pitch and has a scatological sense of humor. Referred to endearingly by old teammates as "doggie", Maddux is not all warm and cuddly.
Going into his "walk" year of 1992, the Cubs began negotiations with Maddux. One of the worst days in Cubs history occurred somewhat anonymously in December 1991 when the Cubs sent Ned Colletti and Dennis Homerin to his Las Vegas home to strike a deal with Maddux and Boras. They all "agreed" to a five year 25 million dollar deal but Maddux, who was anxious to settle down asked for a no trade clause. The Cubs negotiators said no and left suddenly saying they had a plane to catch. Maddux thought it over for a day, and decided since he was very good and very young they wouldn't trade him anyway and faxed in his acceptance. Boras called a week later and they said they had to run it by Tribune CEO Stanton Cook; after two more calls and two weeks later Maddux (with undoubtedly some encouragement from Boras) was getting frustrated. He personally wrote a letter to Cook that was delivered on Monday of that week giving the Cubs until 5 PM Friday to agree to the 5/25 deal. The Cubs called him at 5:05 that Friday. "Five minutes!" Maddux said. "They could not have phoned at 5? They could not have responded to my fax 3 weeks earlier when I accepted the original deal by passing on the no trade?"
For the record, Cook admitted this is exactly how it happened, and tried to explain by saying, "Picking up the phone and getting something done with one call is not quite that simple. This is big business. There's protocol to follow, a certain amount of posturing done by both sides."
What was really going on was a power struggle in which the Tribune which was determined not to let a player and his agent be seen as having the upper hand. For all the later issues re: Boras' encouraging Maddux to leave as a free agent, this was the Cubs' Waterloo in terms of dealing with Maddux. He believed he had a deal and the Cubs backed out. Maddux told the Cubs he would give them a fair chance to compete for him AFTER the season as a free agent. While Maddux was at the All-Star game in 1992 the Cubs met with Boras to try to work on a deal and Boras told them the price was now $32 million for 5 years, the Cubs offered 27.5. The Cubs tried to make Maddux out as a self centered greedy player for turning down a deal that would have made him the highest paid pitcher in baseball, to which his teammate Sutcliffe responded, "To people like Greg Maddux, winning is more important than a few dollars. Maybe he wants to see what direction ('the organization') is going."
Maddux also resented the Cubs attempt to portray him as someone eager to flee the Cubs for the big bucks:
After the season ended Boras negotiated with the Braves, Yankees and Cubs, and Maddux still felt both loyalty and frustration with the Cubs. Himes signed Jose Guzman for 4 years and 14.35 million dollars and told the media, "I have the starter that I need to replace him". Maddux made one last call to Himes personally before he signed with the Braves. Himes told him the Cubs had signed Randy Myers that day and they had no money left. "His" money had gone to Guzman and Myers. After turning down a 32 million dollar offer from the Yankees Greg Maddux signed for 5 years and 28 million dollars with the Atlanta Braves. The Cubs never raised their offer past 27.5. Himes said he didn't think it was right to go back to the Tribune and ask for more money after the budget had been "set".
About the only thing that can be said in defense of the Cubs' cavalier treatment of Maddux is that no one could have imagined how good he would become. Maddux won the next 3 consecutive Cy Young awards, his average ERA in his first three seasons with the Braves was under 2.00. In 1994 and 1995 his ERAs were 1.56 and 1.63 respectively. From 1992 to 1997 Maddux's ERA was 2.14 which was lower than even Sandy Koufax's in his best 6 years (and this in a higher-offense era than Koufax pitched in). The 1994-95 strike probably cost him two twenty-win seasons, as he won 16 in 2/3 of a season in 1994 and 19 in 1995 in a schedule that was 18 games short of usual.
Those of you who never saw him pitch in those days can't imagine the incredible movement he could create with his almost unbelievable control.
Perhaps the best story about Maddux's ability to control the ball came from a 2001 Spring Training game as reported by Astros Manager Larry Dierker:
He got his long sought-after World Series ring in 1995 and would go to the post season all 11 years he was in Atlanta. He won 10 of the next 11 Gold Gloves.
Perhaps nothing sums up the Cubs' situation with Maddux better than than the 1998 playoffs when he outdueled Kerry Wood to win game 3 and complete the sweep. In the club house after the game his old friend Mark Grace sat around muttering, "Greg didn't want to leave, Greg didn't want to leave."
Maddux' mastery of his old team included a shutout on Opening Day in 1993 (his very first game in an Atlanta uniform) and a stunning 4-1 complete game in the first game of a doubleheader on July 22, 1997 in which he threw only 76 pitches, 63 for strikes -- less than 1 1/2 balls per inning.
However, there is a funny backstory to this smackdown. Before the game the Cub players decided that since everyone knew Maddux always threw first pitch strikes (i.e. that he did not "waste a pitch" to check the batter out) they would all swing at the first pitch.
There are literally dozens of famous and funny anecdotes about Maddux, many having to do with his downright spooky control and his amazing ability to outthink hitters. One involves a close game in which there were runners on first and third, one out and a left handed batter due up. Braves Manager Bobby Cox came out to the mound to ask him if he wanted to intentionally walk the batter to set up a double play. "No thanks," Maddux replied and went on to describe the exact sequence of pitches he would throw the next two batters and what they would do. As a stunned Cox watched, he did almost exactly what he had said he would (the third out was a pop up that went just fair of third while Maddux had said it would be on the foul side of 3rd).
The second involved longtime nemesis Jeff Bagwell. Maddux was pitching a shutout with a large lead late in a game early in the season when Bagwell came to bat. He repeatedly shook off catcher Eddie Perez's signs and threw Bagwell an inside fastball which they both knew was his favorite pitch. Bagwell clocked it for a home run and angry Perez confronted Maddux in the clubhouse asking him why he would throw that pitch. Maddux explained that sometime later that season he would face Bagwell in a more important situation and he would be expecting that pitch. Perez was still annoyed that he had "blown" a shutout. Towards the end of that season, the Braves did indeed play an important game against the Astros and Maddux struck Bagwell out late in the game with the bases loaded. Maddux asked Perez if he remembered the game months ago when he deliberately gave Bagwell the pitch he wanted. Perez had forgotten, but Maddux hadn't.
Almost surely the most famous Maddux story (probably because there were so many witnesses) involved an at-bat by Jose Hernandez, then with the Dodgers, against the Braves. Maddux as usual on off days was sitting on the bench with his fellow pitchers more or less "calling pitches" when he blurted out, "Watch this, we might need to call an ambulance for the first base coach." On the very next pitch Hernandez drove a line drive into the chest of the first base coach, who, fortunately, wasn't seriously hurt. John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, Kent Mercker and others sitting around were needless to say completely freaked out. Maddux explained that Hernandez had been jammed inside by Braves pitchers for the whole series and he could tell from the shift in his batting stance he was going to rip one towards the first base coach's box.
Maddux, who had signed a second 5-year deal with for 51 million in 1997, then, somewhat surprisingly, accepted their offer of arbitration in 2003 after that contract expired. Maddux referred to his departure from Chicago as "getting fired" and was not inclined to move around. The Braves and Maddux compromised on $14.5 million for 2003 to avoid arbitration. However, Ted Turner was gone, Time-Warner and its cost-cutting moves were in and Maddux had a "bad" year in 2003 going, 16-11 with an ERA of 3.96; so at the end of the season the Braves "fired" him, as he again put it.
When Maddux was leaving the Braves, many of their longtime clubhouse employees were quite distraught, Maddux having treated them all quite well. One of them remembered that years before, when he was a young assistant, he was talking to another worker about driving to St. Louis to visit relatives during an upcoming Braves road trip, but didn't know if his old Honda with 100,000 miles on it could make the trip. Maddux, having overheard the conversation, tossed him a set of keys to his silver BMW and said, "Don't wreck it." "I was just some kid", he said. "And he trusted me."
Maddux made it clear he would not play in the AL, would only play for a contender and preferred to play for a West Coast team. Jim Hendry got permission from the higher-ups to, as he put it, "go kick the tires". He had a meeting with Maddux and Boras in November and left a standing offer of two years and $12 million which he knew would not get Maddux. Hendry however put no pressure on Maddux and merely said would love to have him back with the Cubs but it was his choice. At that time, the Dodgers were dysfunctional, being in ownership flux, and the Padres signed David Wells, and only the Cardinals publicly expressed interest (albeit by asking their other pitchers if they would defer salary to allow a signing).
The last weekend before the start of spring training, Hendry met with Maddux and Boras; the Cubs counteroffered this: if the Cubs would put in a 3rd year which would vest after 400 innings in the first two, Maddux would sign. And thus, with an OK from the Trib suits, the prodigal regurned home.
The press conference the next day was extraordinary. The normally stoic Maddux was clearly emotional about returning and Hendry was positively beaming about having convinced him to do so.
Maddux is one of the few guys around who truly loves pitching at Wrigley Field; as he told the press that day:
In July he pitched back to back complete games and as always he never missed a start. In August he was gunning for the magical win #300 which clearly meant far more to the public than to Maddux who loathed the attention. One of Maddux's many appealing qualities is his lack of ego and total disinterest in media attention. He cares about winning and having fun, the rest is an annoyance. In a nicely heartfelt tribute at the time of his 300th SI's Tom Verducci wrote:
The rest of the 2004 season was not exactly the homecoming Cub fans had dreamed of, but Maddux has a good year. He lead the team in innings and tied with Carlos Zambrano to lead the team in wins with 16, but his ERA of 4.02 was his highest since his rookie year.
2005 got worse for both Maddux and the Cubs. While politely fending off endless inquiries responding to Dusty Baker's assertion that he was considering retirement, Maddux was in fact staying in too long and getting too little run support. It was not a happy season and for the first time since 1987 (which was not even a full season) Maddux failed to win 15 games or finish at or over .500. His string of 17 consecutive seasons of winning at least 15 games, a major league record, was snapped.
While it is a cliché to say how much a player loves baseball, it is hard to imagine a player who loves and appreciates it more than Greg Maddux. Maddux loves everything about baseball. Unlike most pitchers who dread hitting and think of fielding as a chore, Maddux loves to hit and field. On his off days he shags balls and takes endless batting practice, usually practicing bunts.
His physical limitations made being a position player a non starter but it doesn't stop him from trying. Like his Cy Young awards, his 16 Gold Gloves are not the result of being a naturally gifted fielder but of player who practices fielding obsessively and knows from what he is throwing where to position himself to field the ground balls he inevitably induces.
Here's another from SI's Tom Verducci, who followed Maddux in 2004 in the games leading up to win #300:
He loves taking batting practice. One of his Braves' hitting coaches said, "You can't get him out of the cage. He'll hit till his hands bleed if you let him." Maddux makes the most of what he can do at the plate, and he can bunt as well as any player in the game. Since he realizes this is the best way to help his team win, he again practices bunts endlessly every week, and is 3rd among active players in sacrifice bunts behind Glavine and Omar Vizquel. When he was young he had significantly more speed and somewhat better power. And in two seasons, 1995 and 1998, he achieved one of his most sought-after goals, having a higher BA than ERA (he peaked in 95 at .240). Maddux says the hitting highlight of his career was his double off Kerry Wood in game 3 of the 1998 NLCS at Wrigley Field, in large part because Wood was such a good pitcher, so he felt getting a hit off him was an honor.
Maddux's generosity in helping other players is well known but many of you young folks might see this as some recent development of a cagey veteran advising young players. Not so. Back to his earliest years in the majors, fellow pitchers and coaches would go to him to advice. His knowledge of opposing hitters was legendary at an early age. Just 4 years ago when explaining how he let Maddux leave, Larry Himes admitted that he had "misunderstood" his influence. He thought that Maddux looked to older guys like Sutcliffe or Scott Sanderson for advice but he found out that "it was the other way round. The veteran guys followed in his footsteps. I didn't realize the impact of that until after he left."
There are enough stories told by fellow players of Maddux helping them that it would fill a small book, from veterans like Sutcliffe, Glavine, Smoltz and kids like Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall.
Maddux dismisses it all by saying, "People think I am smart? You know what makes you smart? Locate your fastball down and away. That is what makes you smart." Needless to say it is hardly that simple. Here is merely the most recent of the numerous tributes to Maddux's skill and generosity on helping others which appeared last month in Buster Olney's letter section on ESPN.com from a major league pitcher who preferred not to be indentified (but who might, in fact, have been Jason Marquis) responding to a previous question about Maddux's influence on younger players in particular being "overrated":
2006 started magically for Maddux. In his first four starts he was 3-0 with an ERA of 0.98. He was named pitcher of the month for April and it prompted a piece by Joe Sheehan in Baseball Prospectus which may come closest to my views (minus the compliments towards Clemens, who is the anti-Madduix in so many ways):
Trading Maddux would not be simple in part because his usual preferences for contending National League teams preferably in the West would have to be observed. This wasn't really a problem, since both the Dodgers and Padres clearly wanted him, but neither wanted to give up much to get him. Jim Hendry clearly wanted to accommodate Maddux's desire but needed something in return. Things were very uncertain for Maddux's future with the Cubs when he started the July 29 game vs. the Cardinals. Maddux threw six-plus innings, giving up one run, and when lifted in the 7th, the crowd, sensing it might be there last time to pay tribute to Maddux as a Cub rose in a deafening cheer, and Maddux, walking off the mound, did something he almost never does, tipping his cap.
The trade deadline of 3 pm CT passed the following Monday in Chicago with no announcement but about 10 minutes later the deal to the Dodgers for former All Star SS Cesar Izturis was officially annouced. Maddux had escaped from a disastrous Cub season and Hendry had gotten a player he could present as reasonable return. That day, and in fact, to this day, this site and other Cub blogs have been filled with the comments of irate fans, most of them relieved to see the traded player go, happy for Maddux, but angry about getting a "rotten" player in return.
Maddux made his debut as a Dodger that Thursday in Cincinnati, where he pitched 6 no-hit innings before a rain delay. With the Dodgers clinging to a two run lead, Maddux did not return after the delay though he was certainly capable of doing so having thrown only 60 pitches. As was typical of Maddux, he explained that with a two run lead he could not allow the team to take the risk even though he felt fairly good. He told manager Grady Little that he had pitched a no-hitter in high school and that was enough for him. A week later Maddux pitched 8 shut out innings against the Giants using just 68 pitches.
Maddux was essentially reborn with the Dodgers going 6-3 with an ERA of 3.30. vs. his 9-11 record and 4.69 era with the Cubs. It can reasonably be argued that this had to do with playing in a pitcher friendly park, and having better fielding and better run support. All of this is true but no doubt the biggest factor was playing for a winning team that was fighting for a post season slot, which they eventually won. Maddux admitted that in the end with the Cubs, he had been basically playing for himself. After his last game at Wrigley Field, Maddux said:
In 2004 as he approached his 300th win, sportswriter Bob Nightengale, who had followed him for years, asked him what was his most memorable confrontation. Maddux said without hesitation that it was striking out Dave Martinez to end a game a few years earlier. So why was this matchup more special than a crucial postseason at-bat, or striking out a more famous player in a big game? Maddux explained:
Maddux will often say that he is on "extra credit", meaning that he never expected to have such a long and successful career doing what he loves and being paid huge sums for it. I think that baseball fans are on "extra credit" every time he pitches. When he goes into the Hall of Fame in 7 or 10 years (as befits his love of the game and lack of ego Maddux says he will play as long as "someone will give me a shirt") he will be wearing a Braves cap and that is as it should be but as he said when he left the Cubs, part of his heart will always be in Chicago. This is what he said about playing in Chicago, during his final season here in 2006:
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This is very long...
by gravedigger on Feb 1, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, also...
by gravedigger on Feb 1, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is not his rookie card
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 1, 2007 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my fault did not
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 1, 2007 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Looking back, there are some similarities between the young Maddux and the young Carlos Zambrano. Both were overly emotional on the mound and sometimes let their emotions affect their pitching. A common lament about Maddux back in the early 1990s was that he could go 6 innings of near-perfect baseball, let up a hit or a walk to start the 7th, and then totally lose his composure, allow several hits and runs, and have to be relieved. Eventually he learned not to let one mistake bother him, and hopefully Zambrano will someday reach that level of maturity as well.
Although you mention a 76-pitch CG Maddux threw, his low-pitch CG came for the Cubs in September 1988 vs. the Expos, when he threw just 64 pitches in a 9-inning CG.
Also, Maddux early in his career sometimes pitched into extra innings, doing so in consecutive starts in May 1988. First, he threw a 10-inning shutout vs. the Padres on May 11, and then on May 17 he went 10.2 innings vs. the Cardinals, losing the game when he allowed 3 runs in the 11th. He'd gone into the 11th having allowed no runs. It was around then that we Cub fans realized we had something special on our hands in this 22-year old kid who looked too young to be in the majors, and when he was 15-3 at the All Star break, we knew it was no fluke.
However, the rest of the baseball world took a few years to recognize his talent - not until the Cy Young season of 1992 did he start getting acknowledged by media outside of Chicago as one of the best pitchers in baseball.
by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
great job
That was long, but well worth reading. You are indeed right, we'll never see his kind again. Someday, if the miracle happens and the Cubs DO make it to the Series, wouldn't it be great to have Greg throw out the first ball at one of the games?
by KedzieKid on Feb 1, 2007 9:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He still uses fuck all the time
steam. I don't recall his being that emotional on
the mound though I do remember him calling out
Dave Parker one day. It was funny. Seriously he
always had the rep for keeping his emotions under
control even if it took a string of obsentities to help him do it. It was on the base paths in particular he seemed to show more emotion.
FYI That moustache made him look like a Junior
High kid who grew it so he could look older to
buy ciggarettes
by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great Article Jessica
by Ihatethecards on Feb 1, 2007 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Where do I begin
by mrcubsfan on Feb 1, 2007 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you know this
to practice with a whiffle ball and according to Mike
"Did you ever try throwing a whiffle ball for a strike"
Maybe that explains his movement
by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I met
by mrcubsfan on Feb 1, 2007 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame
If Maddux isn't put into the HoF with a unanimous vote, they should revoke the writer's voting right.
by frustratedfan on Feb 1, 2007 9:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well with his build
by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seaver
But you never know what those writers will do. Some writers avoided selecting Ted Williams for the HOF simply because they didn't like him personally. Even Hank Aaron couldn't get every writer to vote for him. You have to wonder what they were thinking.
by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Answer:
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron
Of course, back when he played, some didn't consider Ruth to be white. I understand that Ty Cobb once called Ruth "that nigger."
by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you summed up
Bruce Miles, if you're reading, I don't mean you.
When it comes to Maddux, I'm sure that writers won't vote for him because he didn't have super outstanding playoff numbers.
by NO100 on Feb 1, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a cry for attention.
by ctcoff99 on Feb 1, 2007 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't agree more.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Job!!!
by deadcatbounce on Feb 1, 2007 10:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me...
I was born in 1980, but I wasn't a follower of the Cubs until '93, '94, '95. Hearing how so many of you talk about "how he got away", I thought he would have had at least one, maybe two Mark Prior 2003-type seasons BEFORE his '92 Cy Young. (They were good, but nothing spectacular.)
I guess, for me, I love Greg Maddux. No doubt about it. And although not as much as others, definitely still a lot. But I grew up as a baseball fan knowing him as a Brave. He has meant very little to me AS A CUB, other than what could have been a great No. 4/5 pitcher on a team riddled with injuries. Had he retired as a Cub, or had one more great season as a Cub, maybe I'd feel differently.
I guess it just seems to me that putting him this high is more of a tribute to him as a person and his career overall, not what he was as a Cub. Which I'm fine with, since it's Al's personal opinions on these. I guess I'd just like to see the actual stats for the nine years as a Cub (ERA+, W/L, ERA, all the other stats which I don't have the know-how to do) and see how THAT really compares.
(I apologize if this is choppy. I was writing it over 2 hours at work. I've added and subtracted much here. I don't mind being berated for my views, and won't defend them further. It's just my opinion. And, like I said, I've been a fan of Maddux's his ENTIRE career. I just think he's vastly overrated as a Cub.)
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maddux team rankings:
Games: 14th
Innings: 12th
Strikeouts: 4th (despite not really being a strikeout pitcher)
Games Started: 5th
CG: 50th (despite not pitching in a CG era)
Shutouts: 21st
The nine-plus seasons included a playoff year, and take a look at his first big year, 1988, when he was only 22; he was 15-3 with a 2.13 ERA on July 15, before declining some in the 2nd half.
It's more than just sentimentality. Those six years were better than any Cub postwar pitcher except Fergie Jenkins. Thus, I think this ranking is absolutely justified.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Therefore, in relativity, nine really good seasons (as a whole) is going to make a pitcher look great. Comparing his those nine years to other nine-year stretches (of other pitchers--Maddux himself) is hardly spectacular. But then, this is the Cubs we're talking about. I'm learning what makes being a Cubs fan so awesome.
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking further....
And Reuschel's #31 ranking here reflects that.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if Babe Ruth had played one game for the cubs,
nice writin cubbiejulie!
by WrigleyCat on Feb 1, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cubbiejulie...
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh,
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jessica's write-up that is...
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Maddux
by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely.
by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you look at...
There are four pitchers left on the list. Two of them are Hall of Famers, one of the others should be, and the fourth is the guy who leads the club all-time list in wins.
Again, he ranks this "low" -- and I don't think 18 is "low" -- because he spent his BEST years with another team. This is a Cub list. Yes, Greg Maddux is probably the best pitcher to ever wear a Cub uniform. Too bad his best years didn't coincide with him wearing it.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But his best years
Please don't tell me Mark Grace is yet to come in this list. I don't believe you've listed him yet and I can't stand the guy so having him ranked higher than Maddux in any list is going to raise my blood pressure.
by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's as a Cub
Easily the following 10 should be higher than Maddux so under no circumstances is he top 10: Banks, Cavaretta, Anson, Sandberg, Santo, Hack, Williams, Hartnett, Jenkins and Brown.
As for Grace, you have a case IMO. In fact yesterday I said that I thought either Grace or Maddux would be next.
by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the logic of where did he start his career
IMO, the only two players remaining that you might be able to argue should be below Maddux are Grace and depending on your steroid view, Sosa. So Maddux is still no better than 16.
by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand that man.
by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately I have to agree
It couldn't be his sterling, hypocritical personality.
Also, baseball reference.com says Grace is "similar to Bill Buckner." Buckner's at #35. I've thought the ranking for most were appropriate -- but Grace's ranking (whatever it is -- is too high, if it's above Maddux.)
Or Buckner's ranking is way too low.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 1, 2007 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see...
Clearly, your top 100 would be different than mine. Doing this sort of thing is VERY subjective.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grace
Also - I think Maddux was ranked about right, though perhaps he should have been a few spots farther back. What he accomplished as a Cub wasn't really that much more impressive than what Reuschel did with the Cubs. I think the people here clamoring for Maddux to be rated even higher (including the one poster who said he couldn't think of a better Cub pitcher ever) are letting their views get colored by the fact that they witnessed Maddux pitch but aren't old enough to have seen some of the greats of the past. Does the name Fergie Jenkins ring a bell with any of you? All he did for the Cubs was win 20 games six years in a row. That's an accomplishment Maddux never even came close to achieving, with the Cubs or anywhere else.
by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For what ever reason, he and the Cubs
His petulant attitude when the Cubs decided not to re-sign him (after all -- his production WAS declining) was awful. It was a business deal. These athletes jump ship all the time. I don't see them saying "I'm sorry, I'm going to take more money" and leave.
This time it worked in reverse. And his feelings were hurt. Too damn bad. And, eventually, he rubbed his World Series Ring in the face of all Cubs fans. It was very noticeable. Perhaps his barbs were aimed at Andy McPhail, but I think he should have made that clear. Or, perhaps he thought he was bulletproof with Cubs fans. I guess with the crowd he recently drew at Cubs Fest, I guess he's the one who was right. He was a immature, spoiled athlete that wanted..."revenge." Fine. Use that as personal motivation, just don't piss all over Cubs fans.
That's what Mark Grace did -- to US. So I don't give a damn what happens in his career.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 1, 2007 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fergie Jenkins
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 1, 2007 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some things...
this is one of those things I put up there with why Bruce Sutter belongs in the HOF. It's not because of his numbers, which are not Hall worthy, but the guy made popular what is perhaps the most successful pitch in baseball history.
Maddux belongs higher. Not because of what he did as a Cub, but because of the attachments we've all had and what he has meant to the Cubs and Cubs fans over all of these years. He's at least top 10.
by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in my life
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 1, 2007 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
by Maddog on Feb 1, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I can.
Think of it this way -- what if Maddux' Cub years were his entire career? How high would you rank him then?
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by frustratedfan on Feb 1, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My question is, then...
What about if, much like we are arguing about Zambrano, they failed to get an extension before the '92 season and had traded him? And also never came back?
Surely, that would have an affect. I, at first, thought this was actually too high, as I said above, but seeing the relativity to others and what they've done in a Cubs uniform, it seems about right to me.
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2007 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider this.
In that case I would probably move Z up 15 or 20 slots from where he is now.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Job!!
Bonds smoked a hard liner that Maddux casually speared with about a 6 inch jump.
Chavez Ravine went nuts. It is one of my top baseball memories, and one of the few times Ive gone to see the Dodgers when they weren't playing the Cubbies.
by PopeFlick on Feb 1, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great article.
by mike on Feb 1, 2007 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've been very lucky....
His last game as a Cub ever, and the Roger Clemens vs. Greg Maddux game. I'll be telling my grandkids those stories.
What an amazing person.
by FukudomeAtLarge on Feb 1, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maddux a favorite
Great article.
Remembering being extremely upset
when he signed with Atlanta.
I was present at the playoff game
in '89 when he got hit hard against
the Giants. Was so sorry he never
got a chance to redeem himself in
a playoff game as a Cub after that.
Hoping he does well with San Diego
this year.
See you in the bleachers
John T.
by quarryfan on Feb 1, 2007 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just catching up
my best friend from a job he has for 30 years so been off line
for the last 5 hours.
I really want to thank Al. You guys know what my posts are like?
Imagine 20 paragraphs of that to edit. I did actually spell check
and some punctuating but Al really had a lot of work on his hand to get it in shape. Now I just might forgive him for voting for Kerry Wood as his FAVORITE Cub pitcher in a poll at the start of the 2005 season
I don't really have a problem with the ranking. It's a tough balancing act between Maddux being one of the greatest pitchers and players ever and the fact that the majority of his
best years where with another team. Mostly I just wanted folks to understand how really special he was. It is true that Al said to add "all" my stories but you think THIS is long? If I had added ALL the GOOD stories it would be literally 5 times as long
On HOF issue, there is no question in my mind that Maddux will
get the highest percentage of all time and very likely be the only
guy to go in with 100% vote. The bottom line is EVERYONE really
loves the guy, Fans, fellow players and those ever finicky writers.
Even on the issue of steroids Maddux's laconic sense of humor
comes out. He said that if he did take them " I should get a refund" and
"Maybe I should get on the stuff, so I'd hold up better.
Get a bigger neck, get some zits on my back."
by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
20 paragraphs?
All worth it, BTW.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said you could edit it.
Ok I will buy you TWO big gulps during the season
by jessica on Feb 1, 2007 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it was worth it.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I ranked
Go ahead, flame me.
by Clark Addison on Feb 1, 2007 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
question for al about the 100 list
Cause if it's the former, I would rank Maddux in the top 10 atleast
by DTJchris on Feb 1, 2007 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I believe
by danimal15 on Feb 1, 2007 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Danimal is correct.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely as a Cub
by rlpete on Feb 1, 2007 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great article
by wccubfan on Feb 1, 2007 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's just stupid.
by Blood Brother on Feb 1, 2007 4:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let's see.
Jenkins.
Sutcliffe.
Sutter.
That's it. The other players you mention hardly were blips on Cub radar. Maddux had nine good to excellent seasons in a Cub uniform.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jessica!
by KChiCubs on Feb 1, 2007 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks so much.
I still to this day, have bitterness towards Larry Himes, nickeled and dimed Maddux. Anyone with an ounce of baseball smarts knew what Maddux was all about. Good God, Juan Guzman, Candy Maldenaldo, Willie Wilson and Randy Myers were the Cubs FA's signings that year, no comment needed.
Great pitcher, just wished he pitched more in Cubby Blue.
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 1, 2007 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I ranked Maddux
Hornsby, though, had one monster year in 1929: .380, 39 homers. Ranking him fare below Kingman makes no sense.
by Clark Addison on Feb 1, 2007 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't ranked
I'll grant you he could have been ranked higher.
by Al on Feb 1, 2007 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MADDOG BABEEEE
Maddux: Nice hat man.
Goat: Thanks dude, I love the Cubs
Maddux: Me too.
Meeting #2
Maddux: Still wearin' that hat huh.
Goat: Oh yeah, there my favorite...by far
Maddux: Mine too, I still root for them.
by theantigoat on Feb 1, 2007 11:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sob
was to catch his warm ups from the front row at Spring Training
game in 05. I would not even think of asking for autograph
etc while the man was working.
by jessica on Feb 2, 2007 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work Jessica
I was at the game on August 10, 1988 when Maddux won his 16th game. That was the season when he had 15 wins close to the All-Star break. He got hit on the forearm by a Kevin McReynolds line drive and was taken out. I remember years later thinking that it was strange that Maddux didn't catch the ball since he's such a good defender. At the time it didn't occur to me, probably because he hadn't won so many gold gloves at the time. It was fun watching him pitch though and I'm glad I can say that I got to see one of the best pitchers, ever, in person.
by pageian on Feb 2, 2007 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by JDay on Feb 3, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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