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The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #9 Fergie Jenkins

I was going to write this profile myself, but got busy with some of the other top 10 profiles and found myself in a time bind. So, I thought: who among the BCB community would most appreciate a guy who threw so many innings and so many CG's?

Naturally, it's danimal15. He was grateful for the opportunity, and this profile is his.

In Cub lore, the name Ernie Broglio lives in infamy. Broglio, of course, was the sore-armed pitcher the Cubs received in exchange for future Hall-of-Famer Lou Brock in a much-lamented 1964 trade with the Cardinals.

For Phillie fans, the names Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl likely evoke similar pain. Those are the two pitchers the Phillies received from the Cubs early in the 1966 season in exchange for first baseman John Herrnstein, outfielder Adolfo Phillips - and a young Canadian relief pitcher named Ferguson Jenkins.

The Cubs' main target in the deal was Herrnstein, whom they felt could spell the aging Ernie Banks at first base. The Phillies were happy to get two veteran arms in Buhl and Jackson. "It's the best deal we could have made," Phillies manager Gene Mauch said at the time. "I think it complemented our staff exactly the way we wanted." He would soon regret those words, and the trade.

Jackson ended up winning a respectable 41 games for the Phillies before retiring after the 1968 season at age 37. Buhl won six games for the Phillies in 1966 and none thereafter, retiring in 1967.

It was that year, during the "Summer of Love," that Jenkins had the first of six consecutive 20-win campaigns for the Cubs on his way to a Hall-of-Fame career spanning 19 seasons, 284 wins, a Cy Young Award and 3,192 strikeouts. Jenkins became the best starting pitcher in modern Cub history, though he played a good portion of his career elsewhere, and ranks among the great starting pitchers of an era that produced a bumper crop.

On a side note, the trade that brought Jenkins to the Cubs was almost never made. Cub general manager John Holland had wanted to acquire Orlando Cepeda from the Giants to replace Banks, but the Giants said no and traded Cepeda to St. Louis for pitcher Ray Sadecki instead. So Holland ended up dealing with the Phillies.

Ferguson Arthur Jenkins, Jr. was born in Chatham, Ontario, which is about fifty miles east of Detroit, Michigan, on December 13, 1942. His mother's family had come to Canada from the U.S. by way of the Underground Railroad. His father's family emigrated from Barbados. Jenkins' father worked as a chef and chauffeur for wealthy families in Chatham, but also loved sports and introduced his son to athletics. The elder Jenkins was an amateur boxer and a semi-pro baseball player.

Young "Fergie" excelled in all sports. His high school basketball team was the city champion, and he played hockey as well. Ironically, the one sport he didn't play for his high school was baseball, because his school didn't have a team. Instead, he played organized baseball through service clubs like JCs, Kiwanis, Kinsman and Rotary. Jenkins started off as a first baseman and an outfielder, trying to emulate his hero, Larry Doby.

Some believed he had the skill to be a professional hockey player, but he decided to pursue baseball instead. The Phillies signed him in 1962, as a pitcher, for $6,500 after scouting him for several years.

"The Phils said pitching would be a quicker way for me to sign professionally because I had a pretty good arm and I was the tallest kid on the team," Jenkins later said, according to "Wrigleyville, a Magical History Tour of the Chicago Cubs," by Peter Golenbock. "They felt that pitching might be a position I could learn and adapt to and maybe I could sign professionally. So I started pitching at age 16."

The Phillies gave an area scout, Gene DuJure, an instruction book on how to pitch. DuJure took the book to the field, and caught Jenkins.

In the minors, Jenkins played in Florida in the early 1960s and found out firsthand about racial discrimination when a restaurant refused to serve him and a Hispanic teammate. Jenkins didn't make too big a stink. "I wasn't down there to be a crusader. I was down there to be an athlete," he later said.

Later in his minor league career, playing in Arkansas, Jenkins faced catcalls from racists in the stands. "We don't want you here, nigger," some would yell.

Jenkins got called up to the Phillies in 1965, and teammate Robin Roberts saw his abilities and begged the Phillies' management to switch Jenkins from the bullpen to the rotation. His pleas went unanswered, and the Phillies traded Jenkins to the Cubs.

Fergie's debut for the Cubs came on April 23, 1966. He pitched 5.1 innings of 4-hit, no-run relief, and got the win in a 2-0 Cub victory. He also drove in both of the Cub runs with a 2-out, 2-run homer off Don Sutton in the 5th inning. Only 6,974 were on hand at Wrigley that day to see Jenkins' heroics.

Though Jenkins went from being an unknown rookie relief pitcher with the Phillies to a 20-game winner with the Cubs in just over a year, his progress in Chicago wasn't without a hitch. First, he had to deal with the team's prickly manager, Leo "the Lip" Durocher.

In his book, "The Cubs of '69," former Chicago Tribune sports columnist Rick Talley tells the story of Jenkins, a fresh-faced 23-year old in 1966, standing on the mound at Wrigley Field blowing bubbles with his gum as he pitched. Cub owner P. K. Wrigley was watching the game on television.

The next day, Durocher called a team meeting.

"Who owns this team, Jenkins?" Durocher said.

"Mr. Wrigley," Jenkins replied.

"That's right, Mr. Wrigley," Durocher said. "And what does Mr. Wrigley do for a living?"

"Sells chewing gum," Jenkins said.

"That's right, chewing gum. Not bubble gum!"

A day later, Jenkins found that equipment man Yosh Kawano had filled the top of his locker with Wrigley's Spearmint gum.

"So I chewed it," recalled Jenkins. "But it wouldn't make bubbles."

Even without bubbles to blow, Jenkins soon became a regular in the Cubs' starting rotation. Credit for that goes to Durocher, who recognized the 6-5, 205-pound right-hander's talent and designated him to be the Opening Day starter in 1967 despite the fact that Jenkins had started just 12 games the previous year. Jenkins rewarded Durocher for his good sense by throwing a six-hitter in a 4-2 Cub win that started off a year in which the Cubs were competitive for the first time in two decades.

Another standout moment in Jenkins' early Cub career came later that season on July 2, 1967, when Jenkins beat the Reds 4-1 in front of a Wrigley Field crowd of 36,062 to put the Cubs into a tie for first place. It was the first time in two decades that the team had been in first place so late in the season.

"Wrigley Field was packed, and after the game was over, the fans all stayed there to see what would happen on the East Coast, whether the Cardinals would lose, to see if our pennant would fly on top of that pole in Wrigley Field," Jenkins remembered. "And I can recall that when they announced we went into first place - the Mets had beaten the Cardinals - there was a cheer for, man, ten minutes. A lot of us were in the dressing room, and when this cheer came up, we knew with all the excitement that something was happening. We said to each other, 'Hey, the fans are still in the ballpark.' And we were happy to hear we were in first place for the first time. We all rushed outside to see what the heck was going on. We stood in the doorway and watched them put that Cub flag on top of the pole. We were jubilant."

Jenkins had an entire stable of pitches that worked for him, including a good fastball, a decent curve and an outstanding slider. Jenkins also threw a 70 MPH pitch he called a forkball, but later realized was an early version of the split-finger fastball that Bruce Sutter eventually made famous.

Jenkins also possessed fantastic control. His regular catcher, Randy Hundley, said he could put his glove out and catch Jenkins with his eyes closed. In 1967, his first full year as a starter, Jenkins walked 83 batters in 289 innings, but he never would walk that many again. His control peaked in his Cy Young award season of 1971, when he walked only 37 hitters in 325 innings. He was the first 3000-strikeout pitcher to reach that plateau while walking fewer than 1000. Since then Greg Maddux and Curt Schilling have matched that, and Pedro Martinez will do so with his second strikeout of 2007.

Jenkins racked up a ton of innings for the Cubs, and often had to go beyond the ninth to win his games. Between 1968 and 1973, Jenkins had four 10-inning wins, as well as a 12-inning loss and a 12-inning no-decision. For six years in a row, he never threw fewer than 20 complete games.

"My mother told me, "Once you start something, try to finish it," Jenkins wrote in his autobiography. "I always knew my job. I was a starting pitcher. My job was to stop losing streaks, to pitch consistently and to pitch well."

He also knew that Durocher didn't care much about his players' physical condition. "If a man had a slight injury or was just plain tired, Leo didn't want to hear about it," Jenkins wrote. "He just rubbed a man's nose in the dirt and sent him back out there. You played until you dropped."

All that playing seemed to agree with Jenkins, who never lost any significant time to injury during his career. He pitched 289 innings in 1967, 308 in 1968, 311 in the tragic 1969 season, 313 in 1970, 325 in 1971, 289 in 1972 and 271 in 1973. He led the league in complete games four different years, going the distance an astonishing 30 times in 39 starts in 1971. He also set team strikeout records in four consecutive years starting in 1967 with 236, 260, 273 and 274.

In his days with the Cubs, Jenkins was often the victim of a weak offense. In June 1968, he lost back-to-back 1-0 games, throwing ten innings in the first and an 8-inning CG in the other. Indeed, those were just two of the six 1-0 defeats he suffered in that "Year of the Pitcher." Jenkins won 20 games in 1968, but it's fair to say he could have been a 25-game winner had his team just scored some runs for him.

Jenkins also found himself hurt by poor Cub defense in a game that echoes down through the ages. On July 8, 1969, it was Jenkins on the mound at Shea Stadium when Cub centerfielder Don Young played two separate fly balls into hits - the second one coming with two outs in the ninth inning and allowing the Mets to score the winning run. Although the Cubs' infamous collapse didn't begin for another six weeks or so, that game was certainly prelude.

Unlike Durocher, who griped within earshot of Young after the game, "My three-year-old could have caught those balls," Jenkins didn't have a temper tantrum about the defensive lapses. Nor did he let Durocher bother him too much, even when Leo at another point during the 1969 collapse called Jenkins a "quitter" - an interesting choice of words considering Jenkins' record. From all accounts, Jenkins was a mild-mannered fellow who just went out every fourth day and did his job.

"We started the season in first place, and we kept on winning," Jenkins said years later, recalling 1969. "It was enjoyable to go to the ballpark, because you knew that the ballclub you had was going to score runs for you. That makes it easier for you, makes the game a lot more interesting, and the game becomes more fun.

"We had a good ball club. We scored four or five runs a game. We had good defense, and we played well. And we were all getting along. Leo was hard. He didn't let you lay back. If you had a good home stand, hey, you didn't sit back and say, `Hey, I'm hitting great.' You had to keep doing it because Leo was the type of guy who wouldn't let you sit back."

He later said Durocher's big mistakes in 1969 were riding the starting position players too hard and not getting extra bullpen help.

Often, Jenkins seemed to draw the best pitcher on the Cubs' opponent as his mound foe:

"A lot of times when I pitched, I got the number one pitcher on the opposing team. Against the Dodgers, I didn't usually pitch against Koufax. I got Drysdale most of the time, or Don Sutton. I got Juan Marichal a lot, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton and sometimes Gaylord Perry.

"I pitched a lot of times against Bob Gibson. I had some good games against him. We had some battles. If Gibson knocked our players back, hey, I was going to knock their players back. Brock, Flood, Shannon, Boyer, whoever they were. Bill White, hey, I was going right after them, because if I didn't get my teammates' respect, the guys wouldn't play for me.

"There are a lot of times I'd pitch against Seaver, and he might knock Santo back, or Ernie. If he didn't come up in that inning, I'd knock their leadoff hitter back. If Seaver came up, I'd let him know."

The Jenkins vs. Gibson match-up is among the most ballyhooed in baseball history. These two fierce competitors often faced each other in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and usually ended up in classic pitching duels.

Jenkins came out on top of Gibson more often than not. In the eight games that they pitched against each other between 1967 and 1972, Jenkins had a 5-2 record; Gibson was 2-5, with a no-decision for both in the other game.

Perhaps their most legendary face-off came on Opening Day at Wrigley, April 6, 1971. The game went into the 10th tied at one, and Jenkins was perfect in the 10th against the Cardinals. Gibson came out for the bottom of the 10th, and with one out allowed a game-winning solo homer to Billy Williams. Jenkins struck out seven and walked none in throwing a 3-hitter.

Gibson got his revenge the next year, when he faced Jenkins on May 31, 1972 in what turned out to be their last match-up. Although Jenkins allowed just 8 hits and one run in a complete game effort, it wasn't enough, as Gibson tossed a 3-hit shutout in a contest that lasted just an hour and 47 minutes.

Starting in 1967, Jenkins won 20, 20, 21, 22, 24 and 20 games. The only other post-19th century Cub pitcher to notch six-straight 20-win seasons was Three Finger Brown, who did so between 1906 and 1911. Jenkins' 24-win season came in 1971, possibly the best year of his career. He went 24-13 with a 2.77 ERA and 263 strikeouts, walking only 37, to win the Cy Young award. As if his pitching weren't enough, he also gave a great performance at the plate, belting six homers - a team record no Cub pitcher matched until last season when Carlos Zambrano collected six round-trippers. Indeed, Jenkins was multi-talented, playing with the Harlem Globetrotters to keep in shape during winters.

It must have been disappointing to Jenkins, though, that the Cubs, who posted winning records during each of Jenkins' six 20-win seasons, never finished in first place during his time with the team. However, he had the consolation of a big salary, which rose to $125,000 in 1972, making him one of baseball's richest players.

Though Jenkins was among the toughest pitchers around, there was one hitter who had his number: Roberto Clemente of the Pirates.

"Clemente was a nemesis for me," Jenkins said. "He'd come up with a big hit in the eighth or ninth inning to beat me 2-1 or 3-2 with a double. He had that knack. He beat a lot of people, but when the Cubs faced Pittsburgh - and I would get five or six starts against them - I just knew psychologically Pittsburgh was the team we had to beat, and unfortunately, I didn't have a winning record against Pittsburgh. I was something like 11-22 lifetime against Pittsburgh."

But that's Jenkins being overly critical of himself, because even if he had trouble against the Pirates, who had a very strong lineup in the early 1970s, Jenkins was a nemesis for hitters in the rest of the league. He won 127 games over the six years between 1967 and 1972, with 24 shutouts during that stretch. He also threw a one-hitter and three two-hitters over the course of those six years.

By 1973, Durocher was gone, replaced by Whitey Lockman, who brought a different managerial style that Jenkins didn't admire. After completing at least half of his starts each year between 1967 and 1972, Jenkins had just seven complete games under Lockman in 1973, and his ERA soared to an uncharacteristic 3.89. The Cubs suffered one of their epic collapses that year, and Jenkins didn't pitch particularly well down the stretch (excepting a 12-inning, one run start on July 22 in which he didn't get a decision). His record was a disappointing 14-16. Some began to worry that all the innings had taken their toll on his arm.

"That's when the criticism got really heavy...when they said I had a bad arm," Jenkins said later. "I didn't have a bad arm. I had a manager who didn't show any confidence in me. Leo would give me the ball and say, `This is your game to win or lose.' I pitched a lot of nine-inning ball games, 11 innings, 12 innings, whatever it took to win a ball game under Leo. But Whitey didn't show the same confidence in me. I remember in this one game Whitey took me out in the seventh inning with the score tied 2-2. After I came into the dugout, I threw the bats out on the field. I was so angry."

By 1973, the Cub organization was eager to break apart the team, trading veterans of the 1969 squad and trying out new talent such as Rick Monday, Jose Cardenal, and soon, Bill Madlock. Madlock - a third baseman to replace the aging and soon-to-be-traded Ron Santo - and Vic Harris were the two Texas Rangers who came to Chicago for Jenkins in a trade on Oct. 25, 1973. It was one of those rare trades that helped both teams. Harris never amounted to much, but Madlock went on to win consecutive batting titles for the Cubs. And Jenkins had one last season of eye-popping statistics in 1974 for the Rangers and their new manager, Billy Martin.

That year, at the age of 31, Jenkins went 25-12 with 29 complete games in 41 starts. He tossed 328 innings and finished with six shutouts, 225 strikeouts, a 2.82 ERA and just 45 walks. His first start for the Rangers was a one-hit, 10-strikeout 2-0 shutout vs. the reigning world champion Oakland A's in a game that lasted less than two hours. Clearly, Jenkins felt he had something to prove to his old team. He just missed another Cy Young Award that year, finishing a few points behind Catfish Hunter, who also went 25-12 but had a slightly lower ERA.

Not that it was all beer and Skittles for Jenkins playing in Texas. He had to deal with Martin. According to Talley, on Jenkins' first day of training camp with the Rangers, Martin approached him and said, "I've heard two things about you: One, you've got a bad arm. Two, you're a clubhouse lawyer."

"Well," Jenkins said later. "I just looked him in the eye and said, `You're wrong on both counts.'" He went on to that 25-win season and followed up with 17 wins in 1975.

Jenkins didn't last long in Texas, heading to Boston for the 1976 and 1977 seasons. He was 33 when he arrived there, and clearly his best years were behind him. Eventually, manager Don Zimmer banished Jenkins to the bullpen, and was enraged one night in September 1977 when Jenkins allegedly fell asleep on the bench and had to be woken to warm up (Jenkins denied it). He never pitched again in a Boston uniform.

Jenkins returned to Texas for another four years starting in 1978, and he posted decent numbers, notably an 18-8, 3.04 performance his first year back. His 16-14 record in 1979 wasn't too shabby, either, though his ERA rose quite a bit, perhaps a sign of his approaching age 37.

In 1980, Jenkins got into trouble. That August, he was caught with three grams of cocaine in his luggage. Charges of possession were eventually dismissed, and Jenkins didn't end up facing jail time. Commissioner Bowie Kuhn, however, suspended Jenkins and ordered him to pay $10,000 to a drug education program in Texas. At the time, some wondered if Jenkins' drug bust might keep him from the Hall of Fame. Jenkins later said he had been transporting the drugs for teammates (whom he wouldn't name), and admitted smoking pot in the past.

On a brighter note, Jenkins got his 100th American League win in 1980, becoming only the fourth pitcher to win 100 in both leagues (two others have accomplished the feat since).

The drug bust, along with Jenkins' forgettable seasons for the Rangers in 1980 and 1981, spelled the end of the road for Jenkins in Texas. But the Cubs, under new ownership and with a new general manager, Dallas Green, came calling in late 1981. They signed Jenkins to a lucrative free agent contract that made him one of the highest-paid players on the team.

"Dallas got ahold of me and asked point blank, `Can you still pitch?'" Jenkins later recalled. "I said, `Yeah, I can still pitch.' He said `We need a veteran right-handed pitcher.' So I signed with the Cubs. He gave me the money I wanted. I had second thoughts at first about coming back. `I'm 39. I wonder if I can catch the magic again?'"

Cub fans were happy to have Jenkins back. No one thought Jenkins could help the team much, but after a horrendous 38-65 showing in the strike-shortened 1981 season, Green knew the team needed something to get fans interested. Average Wrigley Field attendance in 1981 was 9,923, and embarrassingly, the Cubs were sometimes outdrawn that year by the Chicago Sting soccer team, with whom they shared the ballpark. Average attendance did rise to over 15,000 in 1982, partly because of the new ownership and their "building a new tradition", but certainly, Fergie's presence drew some fans back to the ballpark.

Jenkins rose to the occasion, going 14-15 on an 89-loss Cub team in 1982, leading the club in wins. He also led the team in innings pitched with 217. Jenkins started the home opener on April 9 and threw 6.2 shutout innings in a 5-0 win highlighted by a Bill Buckner home run. With a high temperature of just 40 and a low of 27 that day, only 26,000 fans showed up (I was one of them). There were snowball fights in the bleachers. [Note from Al: I can confirm this, as I was there too -- plus, people were whipping snowballs at us from the buildings across the street on Sheffield. We all figured if anyone had an arm that good, they should be playing for the Cubs!]

Later in 1982, Jenkins notched his 3,000th career strikeout, fanning Garry Templeton in San Diego. He finished the year with four complete games, a shutout and an excellent 3.15 ERA.

The magic ran out for Jenkins in 1983, when he could only muster a 6-9 record and a 4.30 ERA. He shuttled between the rotation and the bullpen, and wound up with 15 no-decisions. His last appearance came in relief against the Phillies at Wrigley on September 26. Jenkins threw one inning and allowed two runs, including a homer to Joe Lefebvre (not a relative of the future Cub manager).

Though Jenkins was 40 at the end of the 1983 season and coming off his worst year ever, he hoped the Cubs would keep him around. But Dallas Green and Jim Frey - the new Cub manager - had no intention of filling a roster spot with the aging Jenkins, who was making around $400,000, big money at the time. Instead, they placed their bets on the aging Rick Reuschel and the aging Dick Ruthven - neither of whom helped the 1984 Cubs all that much. It's interesting to think what might have happened had Jenkins been allowed to come back. Perhaps he would have helped lead the team to its division title; more likely he would have been hit hard, just as he had been the year before. Whatever the case, Jenkins' release from the team in spring training meant that he never got a chance to pitch in the post-season.

For Jenkins, who was 16 wins shy of 300 victories, being released was a huge disappointment.

"I would have won more games for the Cubs even if we'd had any kind of bullpen," Jenkins said later, referring to his second go-around with the team. "For that matter, I could have won some games for the 1984 Cubs. Unfortunately, Jim Frey didn't agree with me. They released me in the spring, and that was the end of my quest for 300 victories.

"You know, it's funny about that 1984 team. That was the year they were finally going to dislodge the hatchet from the back...finally win a pennant for the Cubs. But it didn't work. They couldn't get the hatchet out."

After being released by the Cubs, Jenkins got calls from six different teams. But he decided if he was going to win 300 games, he wanted to do it for the Cubs and no one else. He didn't want to be a hanger-on, bouncing from team to team.

Jenkins moved back north and played semi-pro ball in Canada for a while. He also tended his soybean farm in Ontario and coached the Canadian National baseball team. He eventually moved to a 160-acre ranch in Guthrie, Oklahoma, where he raised horses. After some time coaching pitchers in the minors, he returned to the majors as a pitching coach for a short stint coaching for the Cubs in the mid-1990s under manager Jim Riggleman. Jenkins did a good job, but was fired because of philosophical differences with Riggleman.

Sadly, Jenkins suffered a two separate family tragedies in the early 1990s. In 1991, his wife died from injuries she suffered in a car crash. And two years later, his babysitter and three-year-old daughter died in what police classified as a murder-suicide.

Since leaving the Cubs' coaching job after the 1996 season, Jenkins has worked with Major League Baseball's Player's Alumni Association, making appearances to raise money for worthy causes. In Canada, he launched the Fergie Jenkins Charitable Foundation, which raises money for the Red Cross, cancer treatment and summer camps for underprivileged children. Jenkins remains a national hero in his home country.

Jenkins, voted into the Hall of Fame in 1991, remains a Cub icon. He certainly was the team's greatest pitcher in the second half of the 20th century, and it's unlikely any future Cub pitcher will approach his performance. Since Jenkins was traded in 1973, only three Cub pitchers have had even one 20-win season (Rick Reuschel in 1977, Greg Maddux in 1992 and Jon Lieber in 2001), let alone six in a row.

And whatever happened to John Herrnstein, the first baseman the Cubs wanted from the Phillies in the trade that netted them Jenkins? He went 3 for 17 for the Cubs in 1966, got traded mid-year to the Braves, where he went 4 for 22, and then quietly departed from major league baseball forever at the age of 28.

Fergie Jenkins' career stats at baseball-reference.com

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Very nicely done Danimal
I'm with you, I'd love to see the days of the 300 inning workhorse again.  It is pathetic that the high win total in the NL last season was 16.  

by rlpete on Feb 10, 2007 8:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
But you and I are a distinct minority on this web site.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!!!
I'd love to see the guys throw 250 innings again. But as long as they are being groomed for six innings throughout their careers, it's going to be hard to get anyone to throw that much again.
worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 10, 2007 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very Good, All Inclusive Write Up
Fergie was definitely one of the all-time work horses.

I just checked. Out of all the Top Ten predictions made here-

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/story/2007/2/8/121017/8593

mine, shown below, is the only one already that has a chance to be correct. Weird.

1.Ernie Banks
2.Cap Anson
3.Gabby Hartnett
4.Three Finger Brown
5.Billy Williams
6.Ryne Sandberg
7.Sammy Sosa
8.Ron Santo
9.Fergie Jenkins
10.Billy Herman

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Feb 10, 2007 9:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Apologies To Kedzie Kid
His order so far also matches Herman and Jenkins. I didn't catch the Herman listing as it was off to the side a little.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Feb 10, 2007 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thrown off...
...because I thought Kmak would be #10.  Apparently, he's much higher up than I anticipated.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 10, 2007 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Al
For the opportunity to write this profile. As for the ranking, I would have put him a bit higher. Good outfielders like Billy Williams are found on nearly every good team. So are good corner infielders like Santo. Even good catchers like Hartnett aren't that rare. But how many pitchers go out and win 20 games year after year, and complete more than half their starts? Certainly no one these days. I'd put Jenkins in the top five.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 9:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Remember...
... that he played only a little more than half his career as a Cub, though -- ten seasons.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 10, 2007 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Harnett
Good catchers are not all that common great catchers are very very very rare.   Ole Gabby, quite frankly, has a pretty good case for being number one on the list because he was so good at a very tough position.  

by Frustrated Fan on Feb 10, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al.... quick point.
As far as a book goes, the hardest thing about making these an official publication is the overall lack of sourcing. Maybe you have it, and I'm sure there are a lot of anecdotes <cough>Jessica!<cough>Maddux!<cough>... but seriously, it would be a problem.

There are a number of write-ups, I remember JoshinLA's in particular, that gives overall credit to a certain source, and some that will give it here or there.

Anyway, I haven't written a research paper in awhile, so I might be off, but it was just a thought.

worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 10, 2007 9:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just to point out
I was very careful to cite all my sources in the Jenkins profile.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Almost all..
... of the emails I got with the profiles had sourcing in them. I'm sure we can figure out original sources, if we get that far, for any that don't have them.

That's what book editors are for, right?

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 10, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job Danimal
We sure could use another Fergie.

by Ihatethecards on Feb 10, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice piece!
Very comprehensive!
RICK SCHWAB!

by ExNorthsider on Feb 10, 2007 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
But then again, you had a sneak preview, bro!
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He did?
And just who is ExNorthsider?
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 10, 2007 10:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ExNorthsider used to share a room with danimal15
Al--Suffice it to say that danimal15 and I have known each other a long time-- since I was born.
RICK SCHWAB!

by ExNorthsider on Feb 12, 2007 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK...
... so you're a brother act. Who knew?
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 12, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
I've known exnorthsider for 33 years now. We went to lots of Cub games as kids. Except for the time ExNorthsider misplaced our tickets, which I won't remind him of.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 12, 2007 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you didn't.
you just told all of us.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 12, 2007 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just joking
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 12, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He forgave me, though
... and was kind enough a few years later to snap a photo of me with Harry in the upper deck.
RICK SCHWAB!

by ExNorthsider on Feb 12, 2007 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you still have that photo?
If I remember correctly, Harry was in a big hurry to get to the broadcast booth and barely said hi to you. But he did pause for the photo, so that's something.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 12, 2007 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad...
... to have provided this forum for your little family chat.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 12, 2007 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great profile!
Really enjoyed reading this.  One of my framed SI covers is the 8/30/71 edition titled "Here Comes the Cubs" and pictures Jenkins winning his 20th.

by SonnyJ9 on Feb 10, 2007 11:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

the trade
Hindsight is always 20/20, but looking back, I simply can't understand why the Phillies traded Jenkins.  

Here's a link to Jenkins' minor league stats, courtesy of the Baseball Cube.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/J/Fergie-Jenkins.shtml

Look at those, and then ask yourself "Would I trade this young pitcher and a promising young outfielder for two old pitchers?"

by Tracy on Feb 10, 2007 11:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well, I dunno.
Jenkins' numbers were good, but not overwhelming.

Remember, the Phillies had had the famous "Phlop" of 1964, and were a contending team in 1966, while the Cubs were awful. Jackson was a 24-game winner in 1964, finishing second in the Cy Young voting -- and that at a time when there was only ONE CYA for both leagues; Dean Chance of the Angels won it, and Jackson finished ahead of Sandy Koufax.

My feeling is that the Phillies thought they were getting "the final piece of the puzzle" to win the '66 pennant, and giving up "nothing special" to get it. They did win 87 games, finishing 8 games out of first place. It was their last hurrah -- the next year they went 82-80, and then began several years of horrid teams that didn't end till the mid-1970's.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 10, 2007 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True
I would agree that the Phillies were probably thinking they needed veteran pitching help to make a pennant run, and decided that Rick Wise was a more promising prospect than Jenkins.

There's another what-if for you - what if the Cubs had asked for Wise instead of Jenkins?

by Tracy on Feb 10, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good one!
Rick Wise had a decent career, pitching 18 seasons and winning 188 games, mostly for bad teams (although he did make the WS in 1975 with the Red Sox).

He was good enough to be traded straight-up for Steve Carlton -- imagine that, the Cardinals actually thought he was just as good as Carlton.

He was also a very good hitter, hitting 15 career HR, despite spending six of the 18 seasons in the DH league.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 10, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wise
I think it's fair to say without any additional research that Wise was the only pitcher in major league history to homer twice and pitch a no-hitter in the same game.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
For the link. That's the first time I've ever seen his minor league numbers.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 4:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another trade...
Don't know what difference it would have made in future transactions and where he'd play... But we can only wonder how good the team that included Ron Santo, Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Fergie Jenkins, Todd Hundly... would have been with Lou Brock in there as well.
worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 10, 2007 11:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Another trade. . . .
Todd?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's blasphemy!!!!!!!

by jenkins31 on Feb 10, 2007 3:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

After reading this
I can only think of one word to describe him: stud. Anyone that would pitch that much today the fans would have the manager ran out of town. How he battled that many games and innings in unthinkable today. And, this was perhaps the best pitching era of our time. I would have had him higher in the top ten but that is another debate. Fergie was a stud. I hope Mark Prior read this...and Wood. For different reasons, Z-Lilly-Marquis-Hill too. This is the bar our pitchers need to go after!
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 10, 2007 12:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fergie
is going to be in Rockford tomorrow as part of the Riverhawks fanfest.

http://www.rockfordriverhawks.com/

by Neifi Puppy on Feb 10, 2007 12:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good job
Well done. I always admired Fergie and that he was a workhorse. Maybe he can talk to Prior about what it takes to rank in the BCB Top Ten.
wccubfan

by wccubfan on Feb 10, 2007 1:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

YES!
... It's not the hangin' that I mind / It's the layin' in the jail so long ....

by kjk on Feb 10, 2007 3:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great memories!!!
There will never be another Cubs pitcher come close to Fergie's stats. I don't think there will be another pitcher with 300 wins like Maddog!

by jenkins31 on Feb 10, 2007 3:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

300
"I don't think there will be another pitcher with 300 wins like Maddog!"

Seeing as how Tom Glavine has 290 wins and Randy Johnson 280, we may see another 300-game winner this season.  Pedro Martinez has 206 wins and won't be 35 until September, so we may see yet another 300-game winner in five or six seasons.

I remember that 20-odd years ago, the same things were being said about how there wouldn't be any more 300-game winners.  I imagine the same words were said twenty years before that, and twenty years before that, and so on...

by Tracy on Feb 10, 2007 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely true.
Pedro may not stick around long enough, fragile as he is.

And with pitchers not making more than 34 or 35 starts now, and 20-game winners becoming rare, it may indeed be quite some time before we see another 300-game winner after Glavine and Johnson.

I know, I know, things can always change. But those two may be the last of a breed.

(Mike Mussina has a shot at it, too; four seasons averaging a little over 15 wins a year would do it.)

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 10, 2007 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute
Why does this matter?
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 10, 2007 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why does what matter?
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wins
Probably the most inconsequential stat ever.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 10, 2007 10:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Not sure I agree with you there. There's something to be said for a pitcher who can stick around long enough and pitch enough innings to get enough decisions to earn 300 wins. It's a testament to a pitcher's endurance.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope
I remember to respond to this when I'm more sober.  Not that I completely disagree, but...
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 10, 2007 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way
When I read this when I was sober, I thoguht "wow that is great" and I forwarded to my dad, who is also named Dan.  I'm sure he'll enjopy it too.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 10, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it. And I hope your dad does, too.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 11:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a lost era.
You'd think it was 100-years ago, but it was just 30 years ago. I still think pitchers are afraid to pitch....and as noted many times before, with millions invested in players they are now babied.

Any twinge, and these guys are afraid their career is over, and the millions are gone. Pitchers are pitching in fear, almost all the time, with the exception of the greatest ones.

The best pitchers (although they might have an injury from time to time) never seem have that nagging, disabling injury. (Greg Maddux?) Is it luck? Maybe. It may be just pitching fearlessly.

Or maybe it's genetics. I have no idea. But the so-called 'perfectly groomed pitcher' (Mark Prior) can't get his friggin' ass out of the ER.

Fergie was one of the best pitchers I've ever seen.

And, isn't that 'We're in first place in July'('67) pathetic? That just shows how hopeless this franchise was in the 50's and early 60s. I remember watching those games and it didn't seem like that much to me -- I'd only really been aware enough to follow the team since 1964. I didn't catch the magnitude of the ineptness.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 10, 2007 3:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow!... Very good profile, danimal..
I remember Fergie being a work horse, and a great control pitcher, and losing many tough low scoring games. Even so, the stats amaze me when you compare to today's pitchers.

Was he in a four-man rotation in the 20-win seasons? Everyone used to have four-man rotations, didn't they? I can't remember when the four-man rotation became extinct. I would appreciate some help to refresh my memory.

I feel so much better when I'm drinking beer

by deadcatbounce on Feb 10, 2007 5:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Four-man
Indeed, it was a four-man rotation throughout Jenkins' first seven years as a starter with the Cubs. He started 38 games in 1967, 40 in 1968, 42 in 1969, 39 in 1970, 39 in 1971 and 38 in 1972. Can't start that many games in a five-man.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great profile.
Well researched, with lots of quotes.  

Fergie was by far the best Cubs pitcher I ever saw. I ranked him 6th, behind Banks, Sosa, Anson, Brown, and Hartnett.  Ahead of Wilson, Chance, Vaughn, and Alexander.

Fergie has shown great character to rebound from personal tragedies.  A great, all-time Cub and well deserving of the Hall of Fame.

by Clark Addison on Feb 10, 2007 8:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding!
This is the best written Top 100, you did a fantastic job!

by DudeVf11 on Feb 10, 2007 8:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitch counts? What pitch counts?
Very nice profile on one of my favorite Cubs!

I was at that that 1971 Opening Day 2-1 gem between Fergie and Bob Gibson. I was 16 years old and skipped school for the day; Took the bus in from Michigan with a buddy of mine and sat in the first row of the upper deck braving 35 degree temperatures and a 15 mph east wind off the lake. It was one of the coldest days I can remember being at the ballpark (at least until this past opening day vs. the Cardinals).

Fortunately, even in extra innings, the game went less than two hours and both starters finished. Those were the days!

A few years ago, I got to see Fergie pitch again- this time as part of the Midwest League All Star Game "old timers" festivities at Oldsmobile Park in Lansing, MI. The Lugnuts were affilliated with the Cubs back then.

What a treat. Fergie had the same rhythm, the same delivery. So fluid, working quickly.

In the sun with warm summer temperatures, I sat up towards the front of my box seat and I was 16 all over again.

What a joy and what memories!

Even better was getting to meet Fergie during this year's Cubs Convention (my first)and getting his autograph. (The ball sits proudly on a shelf in my office at work). My wife even got to meet Fergie and got a photo with him. She was impressed with what a gentleman he was towards her.

Thanks for the memories Mr. Jenkins!      

         

by Zeke on Feb 10, 2007 8:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Opening Day 1971
I'm jealous. I wish I had been there. I wasn't born until the next month. I never saw Fergie pitch in his prime. (I also missed out on the Beatles. I think I was born about 15 years too late).
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We do share one thing...
danimal15- Well, after reading your comment and your bio, and even though you were born a month later than this opening day gem, you and I do share one thing: we were both at the NLCS Game 6 in 2003.

I took my kids out of school and my wife and took the day off from work to see the game. We had lucked out calling the outstate phone # and just missed getting tickets to game #2. So game #6 it was.  

It was one of the most memorable games I've ever attended...unfortunately not in a positive way.

I had been bringing my wife to Cubs games since 1985 after she became a full-fleged Cubs fan in 1984 (much like I had in 1969). In 19 years of coming to games at Wrigley, she had NEVER seen them win at home. Never. She was 0-14 to that point. 0-15 after that nightmare of an evening.

And my 11 year old daughter became a rabid Cubs fan in 2003. She was sobbing after the game. I looked at my wife and we wondered what we had done to deserve this...1969, 1984, 1998, 2003...and what we had done to our kids.

I do have good news though. My wife FINALLY saw her first win at Wrigley last year on Opening Day (and my first opening day since that memorable 1971 game.)

She was able to go and buy her "W" flag. She had been waiting for that first home win...a long time.

by Zeke on Feb 11, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sigh.
that's the way i feel, and i think all of us do.

mark was at game six with me. it was his first postseason game.

i think what happened that night sums up all of the hopes, the fears, and the heartbreak that we have suffered as cubs fans. someday we will wear that game as a badge of honor.

but not yet. the wounds are too fresh.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 11, 2007 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Game 6
I bought a ticket on Addison an hour before the game. Upper deck box, for $100, from a guy whose friend got sick and couldn't come. He just wanted to get rid of it. I left after the bases-clearing hit off of Farnsworth in the 8th. I knew it was over. So did these two brothers in their 60s who I'd been talking to most of the game. We all just got up and left, and other fans yelled at us as we walked up the aisle, telling us to stay. But we knew it was over, and it was.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 11, 2007 6:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Continued
Now my 7-year old son, who's too young to remember 2003, is a rabid Cub fan because of me. Why do we keep passing this from generation to generation? My 3-year old boy doesn't care yet. Maybe he'll be the lucky one!
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 11, 2007 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's fun.
That's why I would pass it along.

If I have kids, I think that is one of the things I look forward to. I want to see them go crazy like me over a baseball game.  I don't plan on forcing them into anything though, and apparently from all the people here who blame their parents, it's not very hard to make a kid like the Cubs.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Feb 11, 2007 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not universal I guess
As previously mentioned, my daughter was distraught that cool October night when the world of Cubdom came crashing down. She's a fan.  

My older son however was "Eh." He's not a baseball fan and sort of tolerates his parents mental illness over the Cubs- barely.

He did get "into" the Cubs briefly when he began dating a girl in his high school who's family moved to Michigan from Iowa and were HUGE Cubs fans.

So was their daughter- his new girlfriend- and suddenly my son very MUCH wanted to go to Opening Day 2006 when he found out that his girlfriend and her family were going.

Alas, they broke up a few months later and so waned the interest of my son in our boys in blue.

That's OK. My wife makes up for his lack of interest in spades...

PS- I bought XM satellite radio for my wife's birthday about two years ago. At first she wondered why (she thought I bought it more for myself) until I explained XM's baseball coverage.

"You mean I can hear all the Cubs ballgames now?"
(We live too far away to pick up a clean WGN radio signal).

Yes Virginia, you can. Or Sara actually...

She now says it's one of the best gifts I ever gave her.

Not sure if that says good things or bad things about me, now that I think about it...

 

by Zeke on Feb 13, 2007 7:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Badge of Honor Indeed!
Actually Al, when I tell even casual baseball fans that our family was at Game 6, their eyes get big and say "You were, really?"

Then they ask what it was like...and I start picking the scab open all over again.

(...it kind of reminds me of the M*A*S*H episode where Hawkeye MUST get a take-out order of "Adam's Ribs"- and talks about loving them so much that when he ate an order of the ribs for the first time, he got a little sauce burn in his mouth- and he kept the wound open thereafter so he could remember how "exquisite" the ribs and sauce were...)    

Our being there IS already a badge of honor (in a perverse way I guess).

I think what amazes me in retrospect is how unbelievably lucky I was to get tickets to that game...not scalped...not via Stub Hub...not in an eBay auction...just four tickets purchased over the phone at face value.

I kept telling my wife after I got them that we would see history. I really, really believed that- even being the jaded Cub fan that I am.

Even when the Cubs were up 3-1 in the series and playing that 5th game in Florida on Sunday (and could have wrapped up the series that day- negating my tickets), I KNEW they were coming back to Chicago to clinch it at Wrigley.

When the Cubs lost to the fish 4-0 that day to take the series to game 5, I was convinced I knew something and would witness the cleansing of all the pain of the Cubs Nation that Tuesday night.

(We picked up our four tickets at Will Call that day and I remember my hands shaking as the ticket agent slid them under the glass to me. I half expected to get jumped at that moment and have them ripped from my grasp)      

As for the game itself, I know that I should have known better. I know that I should have protected my heart (and my family as it turns out) better, but for some unknown reason I truly, truly BELIEVED that the Cubs were finally going to win the NL championship and make it to the World Series- and that I was going to see it happen in the most holy baseball shrine there is.

Someday...someday...

 

by Zeke on Feb 13, 2007 7:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.
Picking the scab, indeed. I had forgotten how much that hurt.

Here's what I wrote about it that night.

After that, I got several cheer-up emails, which I also posted.

Someday, indeed.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 13, 2007 7:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I must be lucky
I have a winning record on the road and at home.  Last year was my worst year.  Before then, when I went to multiple games, I've never seen them lose more than one game a season.  Last year, they lost two while I was in attendance.
MCDONOUGH!

by secdelahc on Feb 11, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Opening Day 1982
I just realized that Jenkins' start that day, at the game Al and I were both at, was the debut of Ryne Sandberg at Wrigley Field as a Cub. Little did we know the young third baseman would end up a Hall of Famer. He actually had an awful start that year. Give credit to Dallas Green and Lee Elia for sticking with him despite his early struggles at the plate.
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 10, 2007 10:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"musial game in '68
I was at the game where Gibby & Fergie each got a no-decision.  In July 1968, they unveiled the statue of Stan the Man. Gibby was beating Fergie 5-3 in the 8th.  Billy homered in the 8th, & Al Spangler homered in the 9th to tie it. The Cubs eventually won this game in the 15th inning when pinch hitter Lee Elia singled in Hundley!

by KedzieKid on Feb 10, 2007 11:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you have a good memory!
Here's the game you're talking about -- it was played on August 4, 1968.

Lee Elia played in only 15 games as a Cub and had only three hits. That hit was his second-to-last major league hit.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 11, 2007 3:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Why was Fergie pinch-hit for after just 4 innings? Was he hurt?
"Eighty-five percent of the $#@&$ world's working! The other 15 come out here! A %&$&# playground for the $&&*@!"

by danimal15 on Feb 11, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm guessing it was the heat...
... the previous poster who was there said it was unbearably hot; fergie had given up six hits and a walk and three runs in the four innings. i'll bet he was spent from the heat.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 11, 2007 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

memory
It seems I got several details wrong, however. I DO remember it was very hot, that Hundley caught the entire game, and looked it. Santo passed out on the field, but stayed in the game, & made a great play on a bunt. When Elia singled to left, Hundley was literally dragging coming around 3rd.  Fortunately, Brock uncorked a throw way over the catcher's head. Every Cub oitcher had been used except Hands (who pitched the day before & Holtzman, who was warming in the pen during the fianl inning.

by KedzieKid on Feb 11, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

imagine...
... how hot it would have been had they had the astroturf that year. it wasn't installed at old busch till 1969.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 11, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jenkins Was Almost Lost To The White Sox
Interesting anecdote:  During the period when Jenkins returned to the Cubs (in the early 80s), MLB rules at the time had a "Free Agent Compensation Draft," in which a team that lost a free agent could draft an unprotected player from another team.  It was this way, for instance, that the Sox got Tom Seaver.

Anyway, after the '82 season, Green somehow neglected to protect Jenkins, thereby leaving him exposed.  At the time, two teams could have claimed him -- the White Sox and the Orioles.  The Chicago papers recognized this and there was quite a lot of egg on Green's face, knowing that the cross-town rival could steal Jenkins out from under him.  The Sox hinted that they weren't interested in Jenkins, but were coy for the moment.

Ultimately, with the threat of losing Jenkins looming, Green was forced to make a trade with the White Sox -- dealing Dick Tidrow, Randy Martz, Scott Fletcher, and top prospect Pat Tabler in return for Steve Trout and Warren Brusstar.  The next day, the Sox chose Steve Mura from the Cardinals as their compensation pick.  Ultimately, the deal was instrumental to both teams' division winners in '83 and '84.

by deJesus Freak on Feb 14, 2007 11:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.
I had not heard that part of the compensation story. Yes, that deal was a good one for both clubs -- although really, only Fletcher was a significant player for the White Sox.

Mura, for his part, turned out to be mostly worthless.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 14, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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