The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #7 Ron Santo

Bleed Cubbie Blue.
That's the name of this site, as you all well know, and as you can see on the logo to the left every single day.
Ernie Banks may be "Mr. Cub", but perhaps no player in Cubs history epitomizes the phrase "bleed Cubbie blue" better than Ron Santo.
For fourteen seasons he was the ballclub's third baseman. You've no doubt read about the more than 100 other players who have started at least one game there since Santo was traded away at the end of the 1973 season; it has taken thirty-four years, but perhaps at last the Cubs have now found a suitable successor to Santo in Aramis Ramirez.
If you never saw Santo play, you can't get a real sense of his accomplishments and what he means to the Cub franchise just by looking at his statistical line -- and that line is, in fact, outstanding. It is even more remarkable when you consider the fact that he fought, and is still fighting to this day, juvenile diabetes. Santo was the first high-profile professional athlete to reveal that he played sports at the major league level with this disease, which can debilitate and kill. In retrospect, knowing this makes his considerable accomplishments even more impressive. Even without that, his passion for playing the game could be seen every time he set foot on a baseball field.
Ronald Edward Santo was born in Seattle on February 5, 1940, and signed by the Cubs after graduation from high school in 1958. In that era, after a long period of fallowness, the Cub franchise was beginning to produce solid and star-quality major league players (among them Billy Williams, Dick Ellsworth, Lou Brock, and George Altman), and Santo's talent rocketed him through the farm system. Not long after he turned twenty years old, on June 26, 1960, he made his major league debut, playing both ends of a doubleheader at Forbes Field in Pittsburgh. The Cubs swept the eventual 1960 World Champions with Santo having a big day -- 3-for-7 with a double and five RBI. He started nearly every game for the rest of the 1960 season, and had fine numbers for a twenty-year-old: .251/.311/.409, with nine home runs. Santo's first major league home run (341 more were to come) was hit on July 3, 1960, at Wrigley Field off the Cincinnati Reds' Jim O'Toole.
Despite his diabetes -- which he concealed even from his teammates for many years -- Santo became one of the most durable players in baseball. He played in every game in 1961, 1962, 1963, 1965 (playing in a club-record 164 games in '65, tied with Billy Williams, including two tie games -- that's the second-most games played in a season in major league history. Only Maury Wills, in the Dodgers' playoff season of 1962, played in more), and 1968. By 1964 he had established himself as the best third baseman in the National League, had the first of his six All-Star selections, and finished eighth in MVP voting with a 30 HR, 114 RBI season and .312/.398/.564 with 86 walks. The patient Santo walked 86 or more times for seven consecutive seasons, from 1964 through 1970, leading the league four times in that period. For those of you who key on OPS as a Hall of Fame indicator, Santo was in the top six in NL OPS four consecutive seasons, from 1964 through 1967.
1964 was the first of four straight 30-homer seasons for Santo, and though he had "only" four 100-RBI seasons, he came oh-so-close to having eight straight; from 1963 through 1970 his RBI totals were 99, 114, 101, 94, 98, 98, 123 and 114, averaging 105 RBI over the eight seasons.
His best overall season, and also his most eventful season, was likely the 1966 season (though some might choose 1964 or 1969). He had career highs in BA, OBA and SLG (.312/.412/.538), leading the league in on-base percentage. He also set a club record (since broken) by hitting in 28 consecutive games.
Yet that performance got him only a twelfth-place finish in that year's MVP balloting, and part of the reason for that might have been an incident that occurred on June 26 when, in the first game of a doubleheader, Santo's cheek was broken by a pitch thrown by the Mets' Jack Fisher. That game featured a beanball war -- the Mets' Ron Swoboda and the Cubs' Adolfo Phillips had both been hit earlier in the day. Santo had to have surgery, breaking a consecutive-game streak at 390, but he was back in the lineup a week later.
The popular Santo -- he was so popular at one point that he began a suburban-based pizza operation, "Ron Santo's Pizza", and the pizza was for a couple of years sold at Wrigley Field -- and the Cubs broke through into pennant contention the following year, and despite a setback in 1968, were considered pennant favorites in 1969. Santo got off to a terrible start -- at the end of April, he was hitting only .205 -- but the Cubs won eleven of their first twelve, and it appeared they were well on their way to breaking a twenty-four year postseason drought.
Santo, never a man to shy away from showing his feelings, began clicking his heels as he would run off the field to the Cubs' clubhouse after home victories; at the time the clubhouse was located underneath the left-field stands (that door, still in the left-field corner, now leads to an area used by vendors), and so the players would all walk from the dugout across the field after the game, that year (at least till September) to the cheers of pennant-starved fans. Santo's heel-clicking became a popular sight, though some thought it a bit arrogant.
Meanwhile, the Cubs continued to win and Santo got hot. In June, July and August, he hit .320/.382/.529 with 18 HR and 75 RBI in 87 games. But dark shadows had begun to appear. On July 8 in New York, the Cubs took a 3-1 lead into the last of the ninth, but CF Don Young misplayed two fly balls (neither of which resulted in an error being charged), and the Mets scored three runs and won 4-3. Santo ripped Young in front of his teammates, and the incident made the papers (can you imagine what doing such a thing would cause now, with ESPN and blogs like BCB around?). He later apologized, but for the first time in his career was booed when the Cubs next played at Wrigley Field.

Without belaboring the 1969 collapse, it reached its crescendo when the Cubs returned to New York in September. The famous September 8 game in which Tommie Agee was called safe at a close play at the plate (and on which Randy Hundley jumped about ten feet in the air arguing, and to this day swears Agee was out) was also the game in which a black cat walked in front of Santo while he was in the Cub on-deck circle. Believe in superstition or not, as you choose, but it's no wonder that to this day in his broadcasting job, Santo hates taking road trips to Shea Stadium.
At age 30, and starting to feel the effects of a long career played with his disease, Santo's numbers began to decline in 1970. He had another 100-RBI season, but his average dropped to .267, and the following season his power also began to decline; he drove in only 88 runs, fewer than 94 for the first time in nine years.
It was in that year -- 1971, on August 28, as the Cubs were honoring him with Ron Santo Day at Wrigley Field -- that Santo at last revealed publicly his battle with juvenile diabetes. This began a lifelong association with JD foundations, including the local Chicago-area JDRF chapter, which has hosted the Ron Santo Walk to Cure Diabetes every year since 1974.

The rest of the 1970's weren't happy years, either in baseball or personally, for Santo. His production continued to decline, and in 1973, his mother and stepfather were killed in a car accident while driving to Arizona to see him play in spring training. At the end of that season, the team that shoulda, coulda, won it all for all of us was broken up, and Santo was among those to be traded away.
Before leaving the Cubs, though, he became the first player to invoke the ten-and-five rule under the collective bargaining agreement signed after the 1972 strike. The Cubs had agreed upon a deal to send Santo to the California Angels; the ballclub would have received in return two young pitchers: Andy Hassler, who went on to have a middling career as a reliever/spot starter, and Bruce Heinbechner, a very highly-regarded lefthanded pitching prospect. Santo didn't want to play on the West Coast and vetoed the deal. In a spooky coincidence, Heinbechner was killed in a car accident the following March, driving to Angels spring training in Palm Springs.
The Cubs still wanted to deal Santo, and since his preference was to stay in Chicago, they worked out a deal with the White Sox, acquiring catcher Steve Swisher, and three young pitchers: Jim Kremmel, Ken Frailing, and ... one of Santo's future co-broadcasters, Steve Stone.
Santo's stay on the South Side was miserable, and for him, mercifully brief. The White Sox already had a third baseman, Bill Melton, so Santo was relegated mostly to DH duty, which he hated. He wanted to play in the field, but Sox manager Chuck Tanner wouldn't bench Melton (who, to be fair, had had a couple of 30-HR seasons for them), so he tried Santo at second base, where, with no experience, he only embarrassed himself. Worn down by his disease, away from his familiar home at Wrigley Field, and finishing 1974 with a .221/.293/.299 mark, Santo retired from baseball at the age of 34.
And that's where this story might have ended. Santo spent fifteen years away from the game, though he continued to reside in the Chicago area. And year after year, he thought he might be elected to the Hall of Fame. And wasn't.
And so, in 1990, when Bob Brenly (see how all these people seem to come and go to the same places?) and DeWayne Staats both left WGN radio, Santo applied for the analyst position. He made no secret of the fact that one of his primary motivations for doing so was to get back into the game and perhaps get more "noticed" so he could get into the Hall.
WGN sent Santo and Thom Brennaman, who had applied for the play-by-play slot, to Florida to tape some sample games of the Senior Professional Baseball League, then a league for former players over 40, playing during the winter. Something about those broadcasts impressed WGN management, and they were hired.
My feelings about Brennaman as a broadcaster are well known, and Santo, with no previous on-air experience, was often baited into saying odd things by the also-then-inexperienced Brennaman (his hiring occurred after his father, Marty, turned the job down; at the time Thom's only broadcast experience was as a weekend TV sports anchor in Cincinnati). Only when Pat Hughes was hired to replace Brennaman in 1996 did Santo begin to really show off his likeable on-air personality. Hughes' gentle manner with Santo, who doesn't do real in-depth game analysis, makes for an entertaining partnership. Personally, I would prefer someone with more baseball analysis as my "color" guy on the radio. But I do know that Santo lives and dies with the Cubs and their fortunes, as do the rest of us, and that's in clear evidence in every single broadcast. Turn on the radio in the middle of the game not knowing the score, and within a few minutes Ron's demeanor will tell you whether the Cubs are winning or losing. His anguished scream, "Oh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!", when Brant Brown dropped a catchable fly ball, costing the Cubs a key pennant-race game in Milwaukee on September 23, 1998, has become Cubs and broadcasting legend.
I believe absolutely, positively, that Ron Santo belongs in the Hall of Fame. When his number was retired by the Cubs on September 28, 2003, the day after the Cubs clinched the NL Central title, it was a cloudy, chilly day -- but the sun peeked through just long enough for Ron's speech, in which he thanked everyone and said, "THIS is my Hall of Fame." But, in my opinion, that should not be all -- Santo was the best third baseman of his generation, bar none, no, not even Brooks Robinson was better (Robinson's offensive numbers pale in comparison to Santo's, and though Robinson won 13 Gold Gloves to Santo's five, at least some of that can be attributed, again, to the diabetes that more or less ended Santo's career in his early 30's). He made nine All-Star teams, finished in the top eight on MVP ballots four times, and, arguably, there was a brief time in the mid-1960's when he could have been considered the best player in baseball. (Remember, I did say arguably!)
He has been denied Hall entry many times, most recently in 2005, and also two years earlier, when his son Jeff's documentary on Ron's life, "This Old Cub", was being filmed. In the film, the disappointment in Ron's eyes when he got Sharon Pannozzo's phone call saying he hadn't made it is heartbreakingly obvious. But "This Old Cub", which also details Ron's battle with diabetes, including the amputations of both his legs, shows him approaching that, and indeed all of life, with unfailing good humor. That truly shows the measure of him as a human being, a quality to admire in anyone.
There are presently at least two online petitions promoting Santo for the Hall, and the Cub Reporter recently posted a detailed three-part series on Santo's Hall merits, to which I commend all of you.
This year's Veterans Committee Hall voting is going on right now for possible inductions this summer. It would be wonderful to see Ron Santo on the dais with Cal Ripken Jr. and Tony Gwynn, given his rightful place with baseball's immortals. I daresay it might draw the largest crowd in Hall induction history. Results will be announced on February 27.
Ron Santo's admission to the Hall of Fame would be a fitting climax to a life given to baseball, as a player for fifteen years (14 as a Cub), and now entering his seventeenth year as a baseball broadcaster. And part of the reason he's so beloved by Cub fans, whether you like his broadcasting style or not, is that he's one of us -- having transformed himself from a Cubs player into a Cubs fan, "bleeding Cubbie blue" every single day.
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Ron is #1 on my list
by Ihatethecards on Feb 12, 2007 8:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Note
I hope to god that baseball wakes up and enshrines this man!
by Scott G F on Feb 12, 2007 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know
I will also need one hopefully on February 25th because I know I'll get emotional if he's voted in.
I cry happy tears when it comes to sports more than sad tears. I cried when the Bears won the NFC title game but didn't when they lost the Super Bowl for example.
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 12, 2007 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great write-up...
Whether it was the one-and-only cause of his decline or not, others can say, but it's not a stretch to see that diabetes had an effect on the length of his career. Had he only had two or three more productive seasons, there's no doubt he'd be in.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Oh, and I would not want someone more in-depth for my color guy. In Omaha and working most of the time, I have probably listened to 100 games on the radio. I live and die Hughes/Santo, and I wouldn't have it any other way!
by tyger1147 on Feb 12, 2007 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm in Lincoln
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by phatass on Feb 12, 2007 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job
by danimal15 on Feb 12, 2007 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
by danimal15 on Feb 12, 2007 8:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great profile
Those were some great days when Ron was clicking his heels!....and then came some real painful days.
I just can not understand why Ron's not in the Hall of Fame. Is there some hidden agenda or something? I just don't get it!!
by deadcatbounce on Feb 12, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope
Another greet write up!
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 9:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great job on the write-up
and, arguably, there was a brief time in the mid-1960's when he could have been considered the best player in baseball. (Remember, I did say arguably!)
True. From '63-'68 Santo probably was the best player in baseball, ahead of Mays, F. Robinson, Aaron, Yastrzemski, Kaline, etc.
Bill James calls a 30 Win Share season an MVP-type season. Santo had four such seasons. By comparison, Dawson, who many people consider a Hall of Famer, had zero 30 win share seasons.
Simply a huge mistake that he's not yet in the Hall.
by VS on Feb 12, 2007 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for all the kind words!
two weeks from tomorrow, we hope to have good news about him. beyond his achievements on the field, his passion and joy for baseball are unmatched, and his approach to life, in the face of considerable obstacles, is admirable, to say the least.
by Al on Feb 12, 2007 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My goal this season...
by tyger1147 on Feb 12, 2007 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah Yes
Ron: "Well Pat, its a, its on the internet with, um, there are articles and, ya, people write up articles, I think they're called diaries, and well people respond, and I guess they call it a blug"
Pat: "Ronnie, I think you mean blog"
Ron: "Very definitely, Pat."
DmL
by dmlichte on Feb 12, 2007 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very definitely
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think...
by Al on Feb 12, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea!
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
I miss Pat and Ron. I can't wait to hear them again.
by sparkles721 on Feb 12, 2007 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Job
by BeerCub on Feb 12, 2007 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
three years ago
Two years later I was in the press dining room at Wrigley Field, and re-introduced myself to Santo. He recalled parts of the conversation and the interview. It wasn't just the hey how are you type of conversation. That impressed me that he is just as fine a human being as he was a ballplayer.
The Hall of Fame is poorer for not having him in it.
by Clark Addison on Feb 12, 2007 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here here
by mrcubsfan on Feb 12, 2007 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Santo
Won't be far from Cooperstown. If Ron is elected I am changing my iternary to be there.
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 12, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 12, 2007 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just as long as
by danimal15 on Feb 12, 2007 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Santo and the HOF
Ryne is very respected among baseball players especially after his speech. His influence may help.
Hopefully he will be in this time but Ripken got to know Banks when he broke the SS homerun record and is in Santo's corner.
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 12, 2007 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh and a Santo story
For the most part the staff don't know baseball from a hole in the ground.
But because of what he's done they all know who Ron is.
When she joined the internet group I belong to she noticed I am from Chicago and asked if I was a Cubs fan or at least know who Ron Santo is.
I said "Of course" to both and she told me how much they all admire him.
I encouraged her to write him and she did. He replied if you're ever in Chicago let me know.
Summer of 05 she did come to Chicago and did let him know. She was invited up to the booth and met him and Pat and I got to go with her.
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 12, 2007 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great Story
by Ihatethecards on Feb 12, 2007 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon the can of worms
Has Santo become Mr. Cub? or maybe Mr. Cub 2?
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 12, 2007 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Banks will always
by mrcubsfan on Feb 12, 2007 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Cub
by Scott G F on Feb 12, 2007 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a very good distinction...
by Al on Feb 12, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(Not reading comments before this)
by Laven on Feb 12, 2007 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because I forgot.
by Al on Feb 12, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Santo's HOF case
Santo got hurt because he never got to the WS and because his career got cut short. The WS made all of America aware of Brooks Robinson--and he played 8 more years than Santo. But compare their OBP/SLA/OPS:
Brooks 322/401/723
Santo 362/464/826
In fact, compare Santo with Ryno:
Ryno 344/452/792
Santo 362/464/796
Santo had also the misfortunate of being a contemporary of Mike Schmidt, the consensus all-time 3B. But really, Ron's HoF credentials are clear. Unfortunately, I have no faith that the current system will elect anyone anytime some. Some of these old farts apparently have decided that they don't want to share the platform with any other veterans--and with a 75% rule, it only takes a few to keep everyone out.
by bleacher on Feb 12, 2007 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
At the Time He Retired
Even now, he's just barely out of the Top 5.
by frustratedfan on Feb 12, 2007 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Put Santo in the higher-offense 1970's and I'd bet he would have hit 450 HR (even in only 15 seasons), and he'd have been in the Hall long ago.
by Al on Feb 12, 2007 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Ryno 344/452/796
Santo 362/464/826
Ryno is actually closer to Smilin' Stan Hack than to Santo:
Hack 394/397/793
by bleacher on Feb 12, 2007 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ron is one of the best!
His play at third base was unrivaled in the NL. He was a hard nosed player who always gave his best.
Ron deserves to be in the Hall of Fame if anybody deserves it.
by billkelly on Feb 12, 2007 12:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This Old Cub
While I unfortunately wasn't old enough to ever see him play, as a Cubs fan, and a Type I diabetic myself, I have become a huge fan of Ron Santo. He's one of the true ambassadors of the game and his omission from the Hall is an awful shame.
Here's to Ron in the HOF 2007!
by Chip Wesley on Feb 12, 2007 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When I saw "This Old Cub"
by Neifi Puppy on Feb 12, 2007 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Veteran's Committee 2007
And regarding the Veteran's Committee election this year, don't hold your breath, folks. I hate to be such a downer, but it is simply not going to happen this year. No way. With Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn, two of baseball's Golden Boys on the stage, there is no way the HOF wants them to have to share the stage with anyone, much less someone like Santo, who would totally steal the show. The audience would be full of Cub fans, Santo would get by far the biggest response and the loudest ovation, and the most media attention, and there is no way they are going to let that happen to Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn, who have been measuring the wall for their plaques and practicing their induction speeches for 20 years. It's totally political, it's not at all fair, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it will not happen for Santo in 2007. You can take that to the bank.
by ctcoff99 on Feb 12, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Debbie Downer
by cubbiejulie on Feb 12, 2007 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I'm wrong....
by ctcoff99 on Feb 12, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will disagree...
Plus, don't think that the Veteran's Committee will worry about Ripken and Gwynn getting overshadowed....A) there is no chance of that, since we're talking about a guy most baseball fans were too young to ever see play, and B) if anything, inducting Cal, Tony, AND Ron would be a ratings and press BOON for the Hall of Fame, calling attention to 3 guys who clearly "played the game the way it was meant to be played" and diverting press attention from the man who ISN'T at the ceremony (McGwire).
by Chadnudj on Feb 12, 2007 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by cubbiejulie on Feb 12, 2007 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see.
by ctcoff99 on Feb 12, 2007 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you disagreeing with?
Though, I agree with you. Also think that the Vets Committee might want to shed their stingy reputation, since they have failed to select any player since they got a say.
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FF's right...
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst3b.shtml
(for some reason this list doesn't have Wade Boggs)
Here's their career OPS+/total bases/years:
Schmidt 147/4404/18 yrs
Mathews 143/4349/17 yrs
Brett 135/5044/21 yrs
Baker 135/2647/13 yrs
Boggs 130/4064/18 yrs
Santo 125/3779/15 yrs
Collins 113/2778/13 yrs
Kell 111/2773/15 yrs
Lindstrom 110/2519/13 yrs
Traynor 107/3289/17 yrs
BRobinson 104/4270/23 yrs
There's no justification for Collins, Kell, Lindstom, and Traynor being in the Hall and not Santo. That would make him 7th on the all-time list. Robinson's case vs Santo is glove-work and longevity. I don't think any amount of longevity overcomes a 125 vs. 104 OPS+, and I seriously doubt he saved enough runs with his glove to overcome it, either. There is a case for Ron vs. Home Run Baker. Baker's career was short, but he might have been the greatest clutch hitter of all time.
Even if Ron is behind Baker, he's still #6. Interestingly, Schmidt, Brett, Boggs, Kell, and Robinson have a Veterans Committee vote. I'd love to know how they marked their ballots.
by bleacher on Feb 12, 2007 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And of those above Santo
He's a very easy vote for the HOF. And the longer he is not in the hall of fame the more credibility is lost by the hall.
by frustratedfan on Feb 12, 2007 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love...
by theantigoat on Feb 12, 2007 6:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oops again
That Cub Reporter 3-part series was great. He also has Santo as #6 all-time. Bill James seems to be in agreement, too, that Ron was better overall than Brooks. Whether Santo was better than Baker doesn't really matter, since his case for the Hall is solid, even if he wasn't. (But it wasn't just Baker's nickname: it was how he got it, hitting 2 clutch dingers in the '11 series and helping the A's to win 3 WS in '10. '11, and '13, hitting .409, .375, and .450, w/ 3 HRs and 16 RBIs in 16 WS games.)
by bleacher on Feb 12, 2007 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
boyhood hero
by KedzieKid on Feb 12, 2007 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Two factors
One was his heel clicking after Cubs wins in 1969. Many thought that was unprofessional, and showed up the opposition. His public dressing down of Don Young may also have added to peoples' resentment.
The second factor is that Williams, Banks,and Jenkins are already in the hall and the team never won anything. They probably feel that the Cubs of that era aren't worthy of having four members in the hall. (Five if you include The Lip, who earned his hall credentials elsewhere.)
by Clark Addison on Feb 12, 2007 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately.....
by ctcoff99 on Feb 12, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sooner or later................
That time is now.
Santo is on the outside for many reasons, not the least of which is he was known around the league as a jerk (reference the heel clicking, etc.). Now he hopes those he offended will let the past slip away, allowing him into the most sacred of all baseball grounds.
The shameless politicking for Santo and the folly of him joining the HOF should be an embarassment to us all. Instead it serves as a rallying cry. After all of the BS being doled out by so many people, how could Santo possibly accept getting in the Hall with a straight face. A man should have more respect for himself.
Thanks to Al for having the decency to point out this radio escapade as the initial shill move by Santo. If fans really want to hear "oohs" and "aahs" all they need to do is listen to themselves when they watch the Cubs. Santo SHOULD BE getting paid to provide more, but that seems to be lost on the masses. I use XM when the Cubs are on the road because it's better to listen to the OPPOSITION'S ANNOUNCERS than to struggle through the dribble from Ron's mouth.
It's strange to see a person be altruistic about some things - as he is for diabetes - yet make no bones about seeking forums to spread the word of "SANTO FOR THE HALL". Doesn't anyone see a paradox in this?
by tville on Feb 12, 2007 9:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So...
I'm glad you don't have a vote.
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm, not entirely...........
We may not know all of those reasons, but after a score of years the Baseball Writers didn't put him in, and over the years since then Santo's been repeatedly rejected by the Veterans Committee.
I guess they have their reasons, to say nothing of the votes. Perhaps the "SANTO FOR GOD" crap is one of the issues they find unsavory.
by tville on Feb 12, 2007 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that
Do you care to mention any statistical reasons why Santo shouldn't be in the Hall? Several posters have given detailed analysis showing why he ought to be, and nobody has stepped forth with stats showing that he shouldn't.
You don't like the guy? That's too bad. There's some real assholes in the HOF. You may not think so but it really doesn't appear that Santo is a bad guy. You've not given one reason that he shouldn't be in the Hall other than rumor and innuendo that his opponents didn't like him. Or that there's some great conspiracy. Those are not valid reasons for denying him Hall status.
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barf Bag
The Hall of Fame is not the Hall of the Nice Guys who played baseball pretty well, its the Hall of the Baseball Players who plyaed the game very well -- whether or not they were nice guys or not. And without question Santo played the game very well and has earned his way into the Hall of Fame. If you are going to deny Santo entry into the Hall because he clicked his heels, then you need to deny Cobb because he used to sharpen his spikes and go at his opponents legs, Don Drysdale because he would throw at players that crowded the plate (heck a whole bunch of guys did that). Roger Clemens becuase he has been such a jerk in chosing teams over the past few years. Cap Anson because he was a racist. And so forth.
Shameless politicing? Its only shameless if one is trying to get someone who has not earned his way into the Hall. What really is going on is an attempt to beat some sense into the voters head. Too many of them have cranial-rectal inversion.
by frustratedfan on Feb 13, 2007 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever . . .
by deJesus Freak on Feb 14, 2007 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel I was fortunate
And lucky enough to be in town when Ryno had his day!
I'm out of the Santo discussion, I've posted essays in the past about his qualifications. I'm not going to repeat myself. I have posted his numbers in the context of the era. ("Clicking his heels" is irrelavant.) His stats, very similar to those of Brooks Robinson -- are.
No question, HOF caliber.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 12, 2007 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
However,
I think I might have a 'flattened out box' of the product stored away in a box of mementos. Wonder what it might be worth?
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 12, 2007 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
mmm...cardboard
by Tracy on Feb 13, 2007 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you Al
by wccubfan on Feb 13, 2007 4:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Santo's plaque at the Hall of Merit:
by bleacher on Feb 15, 2007 11:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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