The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #16 Mark Grace

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Standing in line at the Cubs Convention, I became instantly mortified upon realizing that it was hot, really hot, in the room. Even though I was wearing short sleeves, I started to panic. Was I sweating? Was my mascara going to run? My eyeliner smudge? Were my curls going to (gasp!) droop? I whipped out my mirror and gave myself the once-over. Everything still seemed okay, except that I needed more lipgloss, stat. Okay, that's better. Satisfied that I didn't look like Phyllis Diller on a bad day, I put my compact away. Suddenly, I was ashamed. What was I doing, touching up my makeup at a baseball convention? I was in line for an autograph, for crying out loud, not at a kissing booth. I sheepishly looked around, hoping no one saw me, especially none of the BCB guys. Gawd, I'd never live it down. It was then that I realized that 75% of the line behind me was made up of women, and they were all doing exactly the same thing.
If you were a bobbysoxer in the 1940s, chances are you went gaga for Ol' Blue Eyes. If you grew up in the 1950s, you swooned over Elvis and his hips. In the 1960s, girls fainted at the mere mention of John, Paul, and the rest of the Fab Four. And if you were a young female Cubs fan in the late 1980s and 1990s, you went weak at the knees and listened to sappy love songs over Mark Grace. There really was no helping it; we were all in the same boat. I suppose it was inevitable; green eyes, blond hair, and a smile that could light up a room while still suggesting that there was something more mischevious at work underneath was a deadly combination for most of us. I kissed my poster of him goodnight so many times that his head eventually fell off (because, you see, his head on the poster was smaller than my lips and ... oh, nevermind).
Born on June 28, 1964 in Winston-Salem, North Carolina (ha! I didn't have to look it up! I still remember it!) Mark was the second son of Gene and Sharon Grace. As a youngster, Mark and his family moved 13 times in 25 years. Mark has sometimes been referred to as "a phony", with disgruntled former teammates and Cubs front office staff commenting that he can turn his outgoing, happy-go-lucky personality off and on like a lamp. I think the constant moving around that Mark did as a child almost certainly accounts for a large part of this. Perhaps when you move from school to school and town to town as often as Mark did, on average more than once every two years, you learn to dispense with the shyness pretty quickly.
After living briefly in St. Louis, where Mark became (shudder) a Cardinals fan and idolized Redbirds' first baseman Keith Hernandez, the Graces moved to Southern California. Mark attended Tustin High School near Los Angeles, where he played both varsity baseball and basketball. He moved on to Saddleback Junior College where he was drafted by the Minnesota Twins in the 15th round of the 1984 draft at the end of his sophomore year. For whatever reason, call it fate, call it luck, call it karma, Mark declined to sign with the Twins and transferred to San Diego State University.
It was at San Diego State that Mark finally started to make his ... uh ... "mark" on baseball. In his first year as an Aztec, he hit .395 and had a .465 OBP, leading the team in average, runs, hits, total bases, doubles, triples, sac flies, RBIs, and game-winning RBIs. Despite a year in which he set the Western Athletic Conference on fire, the scouts weren't willing to take a chance on a player who had refused to sign the previous year, and Mark fell to the 24th round of the June, 1985 draft. I don't know who it was in the Cubs organization that decided to give Mark a shot, but I'm certain that he has the undying gratitude of the female portion of Cubs Nation and probably reserved seating in heaven somewhere near the right hand of the Father.
It was in a game against my Beloit Brewers in 1986 or so that I got my first look at Mark and was instantly smitten. I spent the rest of the game trying to catch a glimpse of him in the dugout and highlighting all the remaining Peoria/Beloit games on my pocket schedule. Unfortunately for me, Mark didn't last long in A ball and was soon playing AA ball at Pittsfield, where he finished the 1987 season with a .333 average and a slugging percentage of .545. My access to my new-found love suddenly restricted, there was nothing more to do than wait and hope and pray that his stint in the minors was a short one. And it was. After being promoted to AAA in 1988, Mark played only 21 games for Iowa before he was called up to the majors.
Mark played his first game for the Chicago Cubs on May 2, 1988, where he promptly went two for five (batting seventh, and wearing uniform #28, rather than the #17 which later became so familiar) and collected the first of many multi-hit games against San Diego. Mark was inserted into the lineup again the next day, where he scored three runs and recorded his first walk and first extra-base hit. The following day, May 4, Mark hit his first major league homerun off Keith Comstock. Within three weeks of Mark's being called up, the Cubs traded fan favorite Leon Durham and Mark was handed the job as the starting first baseman. Mark would finish the year with a .296 average and second to (Mr. Whatever Happened To?) Chris Sabo in NL Rookie of the Year balloting. I remember being really mad about this, as Chris Sabo was so, so much uglier than our angelic Mark, who looked like Apollo next to Sabo and his stupid Rec Specs. Luckily for sportswriters everywhere, Mark was named Rookie of the Year by the Sporting News, or I would have been forced to lay some teenage smack down all around.
I was lucky enough to be able to sit in on the "Boys of Zimmer" panel at the convention this year, and it reminded me what a special year 1989 was. The panel consisted of Mark, Jerome Walton, Dwight Smith, Mike Bielecki, Les Lancaster, Ryno, and Doug Dascenzo. While they all had great tales to tell, Mark stole the spotlight with his beautifully-crafted stories, gentle ribbing of his teammates, and hilariously honest statements, such as "Mitch Williams wasn't ... all that bright. In fact, he wasn't very bright at all." Mark reiterated was how tight that team was; that when one player went out, the rest of the ball club went with him, the way Don Zimmer ruled with an iron fist, often resorting to the manager version of the parental refrain "because I said so": "Because I'm the manager!" Mark once marched into Zimmer's office and asked why he wasn't in the lineup. Zimmer's reply? "Son, because I'm trying to win out there."
But I digress. In 1989 Mark played a key role in the Cubs' Eastern Division championship season, no easy task in a lineup that included Ryne Sandberg and Andre Dawson. That season, Mark hit .314, finished with an OBP of .405, and committed only 6 errors (which is all the more impressive when you remember that Shawon "Just Throw It As Hard As You Can In The General Direction Of First Base" Dunston was throwing to him). The "Sandberg to Dunston to Grace" double-play combo was a giant killer that year, and I know I'm not the only Cubs fan to be grateful that we had Grace and Sandberg to balance out Dunston and his uncanny knack for throwing the ball into the opposing team's dugout. The Cubs ran away with the division that year, finishing with a 93-69 record.
If Mark was great during the 1989 regular season, he was spectacular in the NLCS, where the media played up the Mark "Amazing" Grace vs. Will "The Thrill" Clark angle. All Cubs fans remember the epic Game One battle between Mark and Scott Garrelts of the Giants. Mark fouled off something like 13 pitches and ran the count to 3-2 before knocking one into the bleachers to score Sandberg. I still remember Vin Scully's single comment after listening silently to the crowd at Wrigley going nuts for a good one to two minutes: "Boy, he is amazing." It's too painful to go into how that playoff series ended for the Cubs, so let's just talk about Mark's performance, which was nothing short of brilliant. He went 11 for 17, had a .647 average for the series, with 5 extra-base hits and 8 RBIs. There were a lot of Cubs players who didn't really show up for that series (cough! Dawson! cough!), but Mark Grace wasn't one of them.
After the memorable '89 team, Mark went on to play for a whole lot of forgettable Cubs teams. Even with Sammy Sosa joining the team in 1992, the Cubs in the 1990s went on a dismal slide that included EIGHT YEARS of never fishing above .500. Through it all, Mark never complained publicly, never asked for a trade, and always maintained that he wanted to play his entire career with the Cubs. In six of those eight seasons, Mark hit over .300. He won four Gold Gloves. He represented the Cubs in the All-Star Game three times. In 1996, Mark batted .326, hit 51 doubles (leading the NL), and finished 13th in NL MVP voting.
The Cubs would return to the playoffs in 1998, in large part due to Sammy's bat and Mark's veteran leadership. After a one-game playoff with the Giants due to identical regular-season records, wherein Mark had two hits and a walk -- and caught Joe Carter's foul popup for the last out, the only time the Cubs have won a winner-take-all game at Wrigley Field -- the Cubs limped through a lackluster NLDS against the Braves, getting swept.
By the end of the 2000 season, Mark's relationship with the Cubs' front office was starting to sour. Though he always maintained that he wanted to finish his career with the Cubs, the front office began to let it be known to the media that they were tired of Mark's constant bickering with their emerging superstar, Sammy Sosa, and complained that his pack-a-day smoking habits and late nights carousing at Yak-zies, The Cubby Bear, and Hi-Tops were a bad influence on young players like Kerry Wood and Kyle Farnsworth. Following the 2000 season, the Cubs let it be known that they would not be offering Mark a contract for the following year and, by all accounts, never even made a phone call to him or his agent. After 13 years with the Cubs, during which time his average never dipped below .273 or his OBP below .346, Mark Grace was kicked out the back door without so much as a "thank you." I and many other Cubs fans will never forgive Andy McPhail for that.
We know the rest of the story. Mark went on to play for the Diamondbacks in 2001. Of course, there was the infamous "slumpbuster" comment. And of course, he helped the Diamondbacks win the 2001 World Series, starting the winning rally with a single in the ninth inning of Game Seven. Immediately following the game, Mark made the comment, "What I really feel good about is I wasn't good enough to play first base for the Chicago Cubs, but I was good enough to play first base for the World Champions, and that feels really good." Ouch, Mark. That hurt.
Mark had one more signature moment with the Diamondbacks. In perhaps the funniest single incident of the 2002 season, Mark pitched the 9th inning of a 19-1 loss to the Dodgers on September 2. After getting the first two men out, he served up a 69-mph "'fastball" to rookie David Ross, which was promptly relocated to the right field bleachers.
Now twice divorced with two little boys, Mark lives in Paradise Valley, Arizona, where he works as a color commentator for the Diamondbacks during the season and, as is required of all retired sports stars, spends the rest of the year on the golf course. And yes, it's true, his broadcasting leaves a lot to be desired. After listening to him at the Cubs Convention this year, where he was so engaging and funny and had the audience rolling in the aisles, I can't help but think that, if he could bring more of that into his broadcasting, he could be something pretty special someday.
What goes around comes around, and if what Mark Grace gave to Cubs fans was 13 years of loyal devotion, it came back to him in spades at the Cubs convention this year. After appearing at Wrigley on August 3, 2006, to sing a really horrible rendition of "Take Me Out to The Ballgame," to the absolute delight of the crowd, Mark returned to Cubs Nation this off-season. While everyone knew he was going to get a big reaction from the throngs of adoring fans, I don't think even he was prepared for the outpouring of love that awaited him. Every panel he spoke at was interrupted by yells of "We love you Gracie!" every few minutes. He got enormous ovations everywhere he went. The line for his photo booth started forming 3 hours before he arrived. And, by all appearances, his teammates were as happy to see him as the fans were. I was lucky enough to be positioned in just the right spot to see a fierce bear hug between him and Ryno when the two met behind the autograph stage.
And, in my favorite moment of the 2007 Cubs Convention, when I finally made it up to the dais to get my autograph, curls bouncy, mascara looking good, lipgloss firmly in place, I told him we were happy he was back, and he looked up me, with the green eyes that can still make my heart do somersaults, and said, "You know what? It's really great to come home."
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Nice work, Julie..
by Will23 on Feb 3, 2007 8:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is correct. Most hits in the 90s.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 3, 2007 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grace's Cub rankings
Games played: 9th
At-bats: 7th
Runs: 9th
Hits: 5th
Total bases: 7th
Doubles: 2nd (only Anson had more)
RBI: 8th (yes, over 1000 Cub RBI)
Walks: 8th
Singles: 6th
XBH: 8th
I'm thinking that justifies this ranking.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 3, 2007 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ranking
by danimal15 on Feb 3, 2007 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I always felt Grace brought a winning attitude to the Cubs. He was a professional hitter, a great first baseman and fun to have on the team. I wish things had ended differently and he could have played here his entire career.
by danimal15 on Feb 3, 2007 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice job julie
Spring training at Steve and Harry's bar after a game my family and I happen to sit at a table by Grace, his parents and a couple of other guys. Not trying to be stupid and stare, we sat there for over an hour catching glimpses of him pounding Coors light and telling stories with his family. I'll never forget this....with my son sitting with his back to Grace's dad....his dad stood up and scratched and dug his crack for like 2 minutes. I was just like man, get your hand out of your butt crack or you'll hit my kid in the back of the head the way he was digging. I know, no one wanted to hear that story, but that is my personal memory of Mark Grace and I can't to this day get that picture out of my head.
by mrcubsfan on Feb 3, 2007 8:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Revisionist History
But then again some fans want to blame MacPhail for everything from the war in Iraq to global warming.
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by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
MacPhail was no saint
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
IMO MacPhail's largest failure was letting Ed Lynch stick around as long as he did, but people need to realize that MacPhail was president during all of his tenure and spent a relatively short time as GM. He played a role with baseball operations, but in reality it was Hendry's baby and MacPhail, IMO, ended up getting the blame for Dusty's ineptitude and Hendry's mistakes over the last two plus years. The president's job is much more than the team on the field. Some of these things MacPhail did well, others he did not.
I will end on this though. MacPhail strongly believed in signing players to contracts that gave the team flexibility. He didn't want to be cornered into a bad long term deal that would weigh on the team for several seasons. If Marquis, Lilly, Soriano et al do not work out, Cub fans will be begging for the type of leadership in the Cubs front office that went out the door once MacPhail left and Hendry started spending like he was an adolescent girl on "My Super Sweet Sixteen".
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by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And by the way,
;)
by cubbiejulie on Feb 3, 2007 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And thats fine...
Bad decision? Perhaps. I wish people would focus on that.
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by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't privy
His BA slipped a bit but so what. Still consistently good. 41 doubles, 95 walks w/only 28 Ks. Seems like an ideal #2 hitter. His numbers with runners on were still very good. Was it solely the bickering and off-the-field stuff? Was he that bad of a clubhouse cancer? They should have brought in other players around him- as they ought to have all the other years. They didn't get McGriff until mid-season 2001, which turned out well for a short time. Did they expect McGriff to come earlier? I recall that he didn't wanna come but was finally talked into it shortly before the AS break. Who started 2001 at 1B? Please enlighten for those of us who weren't hanging out in the clubhouse or the bars, and i don't mean to be adversarial. just want to get as many facts as I can.
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Feb 3, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grace's Departure
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by dmlichte on Feb 4, 2007 1:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Grace Story
Here's a link, btw, which is an unofficial Mark Grace site with pictures of the two wives.
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 9:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand Mark Grace.
by Maddog on Feb 3, 2007 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What did he do, piss in your Wheaties?
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really.
Just because he doesn't live up to some artificial statistical standard of first basemen being power hitters that you may have, Maddog, doesn't mean he was a bad player. In fact, he was a very good player. I always expected him to have just one HOF-quality season, where he'd have hit .350 and won a batting title, or led the league in something other than doubles. It never happened, though.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bias?
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by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And??????
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point...
I have no major problem with Grace. I liked him when he was here. I believe his behavior after he left was rather infantile. I'm fine with him having a relationship with the Cubs, but I hope they don't entertain any thoughts of bringing him back as an announcer.
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by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your point is taken.
He could take a lesson from Ryne Sandberg, who is going to go back to riding the buses in Low-A to pay his managerial dues. If Grace would do this, he could be a major league coach or manager in a very short time. And I think he'd make a good one.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Further:
Olerud's career line: .295/.398/.465
Not a whole lot of difference there. They show up as #3 on each other's 'most similar hitter' list on their baseball-reference.com pages.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
homers
by danimal15 on Feb 3, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't.
I used to think I was a fan of homeruns, but I'm a fan of pitching.
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this 100%
by wicubfan on Feb 4, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
However, if you fall for the "It's good to be home again" line be wary.
Mark Grace does what's best for him. And, to snuggle up to what has always been an adoring crowd is what he has to do. He can go much farther, career-wise in Chicago, than in Phoenix.
He insulted all Cubs fans when he was in Phoenix.
As I said earlier, his target was probably McPhail. However, rubbing his World Series Championship in OUR faces was distasteful, and displayed a nasty side of him -- which he usually kept hidden, (from the fans) I'm going to assume.
The Cubs made a business decision. Players do this all the time, they bolt and we are left holding the bag. (Greg Maddux's departure for Atlanta would be an example, even when it was eventually revealed the Cubs offered him as much than the Braves)
Grace is on the other end of the stick for the first time, and his ego is crushed. Too frickin' bad. So, when he wins -- he acts like a spoiled brat.
But it's a business deal again. The Cubs get access to one of their most popular players, Grace may be able to get back to the nation's 3rd market and somehow, eventually worm his way into a Cubs job, eventually.
And, since we know he hated Sammy Sosa, this is even sweeter for him. Sosa is persona non grata -- but Gracie is soaking up affection from Cubs fans....again. Sammy's an outcast, and probably will be for years. This is so calculated, so cynical on Grace's part I cannot believe only a few people can see this.
But he's good ol Mark Grace. Maybe he'll buy us a round at Hi-Tops.
Works for both sides. But not for me.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 3, 2007 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand...
You said you assume these things about all ballplayers.
You have also advocated bringing Barry Bonds to the Cubs.
But yet you hate him, more than any other player. And it boils down to two things: a) he was a jerk (but you assume everyone is, right?) and b) he wasn't as good as others think.
Coming from someone who is so analytical and logical, I seriously don't understand it.
by tyger1147 on Feb 3, 2007 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
by cubbiejulie on Feb 3, 2007 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Loud, sustained applause.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to hear...
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cubbiejulie -
In 1998 I was watching the Cubs board their bus behined a fence at Chavez Ravine after a Dodgers game. I'll never forget this LA plastic blond wearing FUR, calling out "Hey tough guy!" once or twice in Grace's direction but he didn't notice as he boarded. Her and her friend split. Probably to the team hotel. Those rumors were true for the most part.... ;)
by PopeFlick on Feb 3, 2007 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice write up
by tal1286 on Feb 3, 2007 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was a simple fix to the relationship.
That being said, at several of the Cubs Convention panels, particularly the one about the 1989 Cubs, I reached a boiling point where if the microphone had been handed to one more woman in the crowd, I was ready to run over and take the damn mike away from her. Ladies, we all know you want to have Mark's children. But that session became a circus act during the Q&A and it was embarrassing and annoying. I was actually embarrassed for Mark and the other guys who were trying to keep the talk focused on the '89 season.
by ctcoff99 on Feb 3, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great bio, Julie!
by ctcoff99 on Feb 3, 2007 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well done Julie
I have to thank WGN for me being a Cubs fun. I remember coming home from school at 2:30 p.m. to find nothing on TV worth watching except the second half of the Cubs game that probably started at 1:20 p.m. I can remember seeing those Sandberg to Dunston to Grace double playes that seemed so effort less. I can hear Harry Carry now through his cup of Budweiser saying "Holy Cow". Thanks for the memories Julie!!
by VandalayIndustries on Feb 3, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Grace
by miltowncubbie on Feb 3, 2007 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Said it once
I don't understand what the fascination with him is. He's a lifetime .303 hitter? Wonderful, that's just spectacular. While we're on the subject, Barry Bonds is poised to set the all-time homerun record. This goes back to Al's theory of "There are some things stats cannot measure".
"Slumpbusters", not cute, Mark, I actually take pity on those women.
But hey, what do you expect from the man who blatantly ripped on a former teammate amidst a certain 'Cork' scandal. I do so vividly remember him muttering to his teammates (with a piece of wine cork on his bat) "Oh, I forgot it was there".
Not cute, Mark, hopefully, in time, we'll forget you were there.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You said...
Anyway, I think Mark Grace is a good player based on his stats. I was not yet an obsessed fan when he played, so I didn't really pay attention to him when I watched. Therefore, I can't really judge him.
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol I know dear
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why do all the nice ones
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wome love the 'bad boy'
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 3, 2007 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, sparkles
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my two cents
Yup. And Grace has a sentimental place in the hearts of Cubs fans. HOF-worhty? Not at all. I associate Grace with good memories of childhood, watching baseball with my dad and, summers spent in carefree fun. For those reasons, I would keep him around this number.
And Julie, great write-up! I think most of the females growing up in the 80s/90s would completely agree with your "obsession" with Grace.
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Wonder.....
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have so many
What's with Manny?
As for Grace, I simply don't like him. Self Serving and overrated.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is...
Others don't share it.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that
Of course Maddog, SDSJM are in the minority, he was a large part of the Cubs in the 90s. All I'm saying is the man isn't the saint he's painted to be by some of us. Please don't refute that as the evidence is overwhelmingly abundant.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
That's fine, but don't say there's "abundant evidence" and then not produce any.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
Sammy Sosa and Mark Grace During the Cork Incident
June 4th, 2003
Copied verbatim from markgrace.com:
Again, from markgrace.com:
Mark Grace, the great baseball mentor:
Divorced twice, Slumbusters.
2 + 2 = ????
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal...
Grace is a quipster. That quote on the cork day is taken somewhat out of context. Are you implying that Grace was saying he WANTED to do steroids? That's just silly. Did he not like Sosa? SCOOP! C'mon, everyone knew they hated each other.
The second quote was mentioned in Julie's profile.
The third quote -- gee, how many ballplayers do you know that DON'T drop F-bombs? Scoop again. Wow. Never would have guessed.
Finally, plenty of players are divorced. This isn't news either.
Frankly, I don't think any of your "reasons" are sufficient for the blind hatred you seem to have for someone who consistently produced on the field. Was he a glib self-promoter? Absolutely. But I don't see that as a reason for the hate you have.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fool me once
Who mentioned steroids? We're talking about cork. They sure did hate each other, why? Well, look it up on Wikipedia. Not that Sosa was a saint himself, but I find his reasoning to be valid.
For the love of God he blatantly took a shot at you, at US AS A WHOLE, and you're willing to deify him.
Sure they drop F-Bombs, everyone does, but not everyone is a sanctiomonious ass about it.
Sure, a lot of players are divorced, but not many are proud to proclaim themselvs as blatant man whores.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did he take a shot at US?
As for the Sosa quotes, Grace always had a quip and a quote ready to go, which is why the media loved him. Sure he probably should have kept his mouth shut in that instance, but I doubt Grace has ever "no commented" anything, and there were certainly a lot of fans and media people saying the exact same stuff. And you can't hold divorces against a guy. Granted, a guy with Grace's mindset, who thinks monogamy is some kind wood, should not be getting married in the first place, but such is the life of pro athletes. They can score anytime they want to (on and off the field), and most take full advantage of it. Nothing new.
I'm not trying to be an apologist for anyone's lifestyle here. I'm just saying that Grace did a lot of good on the field for the Cubs, and never did anything illegal off the field (to my knowledge) or in the clubhouse. In this era of steroids, corked bats, etc. baseball could use a lot more Mark Graces.
by ctcoff99 on Feb 3, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly the same re Maddux leaving
by jessica on Feb 4, 2007 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I deified Grace.
He's a flawed man who played very good baseball. That's all I've been saying.
You, on the other hand, seem to think he's Satan reincarnated. That's not the truth either.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I give
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Feb 3, 2007 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arent you the sanctimonious one
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another issue
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by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Give me a break.
by cubbiejulie on Feb 3, 2007 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said...
I don't sit in judgment of why it didn't happen. I wish it had. The 1994-95 strike cost Grace about 100 hits, which would have gotten him well over 2500. Could he have had a 3000-hit career? Maybe. But we will never know.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
My point, I guess, is that first and foremost, Grace was an excellent player, but his status amongst may Cub fans is almost mythical and isn't based on the numbers on the field. He was a master of PR. But if you ask Cub fans how they'd feel about having a John Olerud type of player for a decade most would give you a "meh" type of answer. If you asked them how they'd feel about a Mark Grace type of player, they'd be elated. Again, my biggest problems with Grace were his comments upon leaving and after he got his WS ring. I just am on the bandwagon with those who belive that most Cub fans tend to overrate Grace.
DmL
by dmlichte on Feb 3, 2007 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You nail it..
I also didn't care for the remarks after the WS even if they were directed at McFail. Haven't Cub fans suffered enough without a jab from a bitter ex-Cub?
by wicubfan on Feb 4, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, that's one thing a hypothetical though....
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
No, never happened, therefore there's nothing to be mad about.
Bonds was never on the Cubs, nor will he ever, there's no reason to ponder it, it'd be like pondering Prog's shoe size, it'll give you something to talk about for a couple of minutes, then you'll realize it doesn't f'ing matter.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Believed You Missed The Point....
by BeerCub on Feb 3, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know exactly what you're getting at
Not true.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure...
I mean what would I forgive Barry Bonds for if he came over here? I don't think he has impacted my life, and he hasn't harmed me either. He hasn't harmed my love of baseball or anything like that. He's a big jerk, but there are other jerks out there. I'm not a big Bonds hater, but he is a steriod-using, amazing player jerk(this sounds weird).
And Manny is great. I love him. He always performs. Sure he may not run like Juan Pierre and be smart all the time, but he is a terrific run producer.
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a hypothetical
His apparent memory lapse of the English language at the Congressional hearing makes you wonder if he did juice it up. But there is no actual proof.
That's a discussion you can have. Perhaps we have all been fans of a substance abuser already, and you don't need to discuss Bonds, Manny, or anybody else in a unrealistic situation.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 3, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Grace...
by mike on Feb 3, 2007 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Cub
I don't think he is a HoF and in fact not many people think he should be. So what? Besides girls loving Grace for looks, there were many things beyond numbers that have made him become so loved in Chicago. He gace everything in the field. And he was a true team player, winning was the ultimate end. I have vivid memories of his reactions when somebody got a game winning hit, homerun or tied the game late. To me his energy and passion for the game of baseball was contagious. I am happy that he had a fallout with the Cubs because that's the only way he would have won a World Series. If somebody deserved to win it, in my mind noone deserved it more than him.
And I will tell you this much: when the game was on the line I didn't want Sosa, Dawson, Sandberg, etc. in there. I wanted Mark Grace.
by Luis on Feb 3, 2007 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Geez, you guys
Do I think Mark Grace was a God? No. Do I think he's perfect? Of course not. But the fact is that he was my favorite Cub for a long time, and not just because of the way he looked, but because of what he did on the field. And there was no way I was going to sit here and trash my favorite Cub on his profile. Why on earth would I do that?
I mentionned his two divorces (and btw, I would be careful about ripping on people who get divorced. You never know what goes on behind closed doors. And you never know when you might be in the same situation), I mentionned the slumpbuster comment. What else would you have had me do? Start out by saying "Mark Grace was a pompous ass who slept around with women and smoked too much?"
Give me a break.
I just hope we see the same amount of ire when Cap Anson, a true SOB if there ever was one, comes up.
by cubbiejulie on Feb 3, 2007 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was a great write up
I know that I've been attacked here before for saying that baseball is entertainment, but it is. And Grace entertained with the best of them. He wasn't a HOFer, but he was entertaining on the fiend. He was no saint off the field, but he was still entertaining off the field.
So what if he had character flaws. Our politicians are all alcoholics and womanizers, our business leaders steal from us, and our sports heroes cheat. At least Grace let us have fun watching and following him.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't attack you...
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You made my point
Just think of the way that the game is marketed, the way stadiums are designed, the way the players are played, and the fact that all of this is over a simple (or, not so simple) game.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful
Nice shot. It's appreciated.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see...
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what're you talking about?
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Into glass cashmere running
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't start that
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People red delight farm
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll see our tooth fiber heat branch dive
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carry lead stars further
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correctamundo
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, we can all agree
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Thank heavens it was only the two of you speaking nonsense.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting to say it...
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't...
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
And he can stay there.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is your site
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take the nonsense
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably more accurate...
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, but
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Content in secure knowledge
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In case you forgot
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but it did.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa!
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how long
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Approximately
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's just enough to
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so confused!
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's to be confused about?
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah really
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You reminded me just now
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so do I
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I first parsed that as...
Well, you'll get some tomorrow.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't take it dude
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
skiddish?
I can't wait. I was excited to see I have tomorrow off.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of all the Bears fans
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is "skiddish"
by tyger1147 on Feb 4, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got a really weird mental image
Don't ask.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Budweiser is
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you normally drink?
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
German beer
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
never heard of Hofbrauhaus
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hofbrauhaus
Most guys are either impressed i drink guiness, because it's not a "girly" beer, or scared, since they can't handle it...
Besides MGD< what other beer do you drink?
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
depends
Now if I'm at home, Heineken or Rolling Rock. Every once in awhile I'll go for an MGD or a Coors, but Heine mostly.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can handle heineken
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u mean
I'm not too big on wine for some reason, not sure if it's an acquired taste butnever been big on it
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actual girly drinks
I think wine is acquired, like beer. My host mom in France got me hooked. Plus, it was cheeper than water or Coke in France, so you learned to drink it. That's what I have if I want to relax. Sports or steak almost always require beer. The girliest thing I drink are Amaretto sours.
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Amaretto Stone Sours
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beer is only good
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pizza and beer
Pizza is decidedly a soft drink food.
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think....
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really can't argue there
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gah
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not putting
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you're not
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got done watching
Considering I have to be up early and the wind chill is -22, ain't much to do.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely
Sorry to hear you have to get up early.
by secdelahc on Feb 4, 2007 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Super Bowl
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 4, 2007 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, duh!
I'm not too much of a football fan, but if I had to choose a team it would be the Bears, though I've been to a couple Lions games.
by secdelahc on Feb 4, 2007 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most hits in a decade is one the most
And I think we have every right to wish Grace had more power. Sandberg's power at second should have been a great bonus in the late 80s and early 90s but Grace's 10-15 homers from a traditional power position helped cancel the advatage the Cubs should have had with a power hitting middle infielder.
I liked the guy but he was still another Cub fan favorite who came up short in some ways. Below average power at your position combined with zero speed has been a Cub trademark since I started following them back in the mid-60s. The Cubs do love their single-hitting heavy-legged white guys.
by TR on Feb 3, 2007 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My 2 Cents
Another reason are the pointless arguments, like the ones here about Grace. The post was about one of the best players in team history. Looking at the stats, Grace is one of them. Whether he was a jerk or if he wasn't overrated in baseball's bigger picture doesn't change the fact that he's one of the franchise's best players.
Aside from all that, I really enjoyed this line: "I don't know who it was in the Cubs organization that decided to give Mark a shot, but I'm certain that he has the undying gratitude of the female portion of Cubs Nation and probably reserved seating in heaven somewhere near the right hand of the Father."
That's probably my favorite sentence I've ever read here. Nice work.
by JDay on Feb 3, 2007 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on
by cubbiejulie on Feb 3, 2007 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say something here...
Clearly, her comment was tongue-in-cheek. If someone had taken a similar swipe at Democrats, I'd have let it go too.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since a democrat invented the internet
by LT on Feb 3, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way...
by theantigoat on Feb 3, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When you say this...
Had Maddux had thirteen years of solid performance as a Cub, as Grace did, he'd have been ranked way higher than 18th.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of the few instances...
Maddux had a much better career than Grace, obviously. But all of Grace's accomplishments (save for his minimal time spent on a World Series team) took place as a member of the Cubs. When you look at Grace, the team you associate with him is the Cubs.
On the other hand, Maddux achieved the great majority of his accomplishments while with the Braces. While still recognizable as a Cub, most baseball fans associate Maddux with the Braves.
If the list were strictly "Who is better?", Maddux would obviously be several places ahead of Grace. But it is who are the top Cubs of all time. It is hard to highly place a player who did not even enjoy most of his accomplishments with this team.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by danimal15 on Feb 3, 2007 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And some people
by rlpete on Feb 4, 2007 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Julie
;)
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
by cubbiejulie on Feb 3, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahem
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do not recoginize...
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then can I at least
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hand it over
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pepsi is better
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do you get coke for free?
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, no
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i want free coke
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That also works.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of figured...
Oh, just you wait till we get to a certain right fielder's profile.
by Al on Feb 3, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4 would be
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al is gonna be pissed
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I knew all along
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
And I'm STILL not telling. You all have fifteen more days to speculate about who's next.
by Al on Feb 4, 2007 4:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
by danimal15 on Feb 4, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I wonder what number Sammy is. Is he in the top 5? He's definitely top 10.
by sparkles721 on Feb 3, 2007 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hijacked?!
Sammy would be between #5-#10 for me. He'd fall in after, at least: Jenkins, Santo, Williams, Banks, and Sandberg, in no particular order. And of course, I'm obviously missing a couple.
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
julie does it all the time
so annoying....
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that's true
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say hijacked
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter what we think of Sammy now
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 3, 2007 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aye
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
by gravedigger on Feb 3, 2007 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dislike him
by secdelahc on Feb 3, 2007 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 3, 2007 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy
by danimal15 on Feb 4, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
by danimal15 on Feb 4, 2007 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the topic was on Sosa
We're not forgetting them, only talking about one of them.
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 4, 2007 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me among
The biggest knock on him was that he had only gap power in a power hitter's position. But his high obp, few strikeoouts, clutch hitting, and great glove overrode that.
He was an unabashed self promoter constantly sucking up to the media. And his feud with Sammy split the clubhouse. His smoking habit was disgusting.
There's no doubt, though, that he gave his all on the field and played like he loved the game. He was always the first to congratulate a teammate when he did something good.
A mixed bag, but he definitely belongs in the top 20.
by Clark Addison on Feb 3, 2007 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
mostly agree
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Feb 3, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Mother of Pete La Cock
This Cubs First Baseman is at least in the top 7-thousand, eight-hundred-fifty-two.
Yeah, he's no Mark Grace. But he could probably get you in the 'center square.'
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 4, 2007 1:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by gravedigger on Feb 4, 2007 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn "Internets."
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 4, 2007 1:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
HA!
MARK GRACE FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
by cubbiejulie on Feb 5, 2007 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Funny
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it is always her
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you...
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A pox on you sir!
Last word.
by cubbiejulie on Feb 5, 2007 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm.
;)
by Al on Feb 5, 2007 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not this again
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know that.
Last word.
;)
by Al on Feb 5, 2007 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I won last time.
by sparkles721 on Feb 5, 2007 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You almost did
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
by Al on Feb 5, 2007 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I want to be
I'll give you a topic:
Barry Bonds.
Discuss.
by cubbiejulie on Feb 5, 2007 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No fun
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better topic
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 5, 2007 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you wanted...
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was progs...
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And faith's denial
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he he he
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If I have to search this thread out for a month...
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never challenge
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I may not carry this on tonight...
by gravedigger on Feb 5, 2007 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't forgotten
by secdelahc on Feb 5, 2007 10:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will strike
by secdelahc on Feb 6, 2007 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good morning!
by secdelahc on Feb 6, 2007 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of you...
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do you
by cubbiejulie on Feb 6, 2007 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to watch that!
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will guarantee you...
How do I know that?
Not telling. I just know.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well now you've gone...
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
by sparkles721 on Feb 6, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Clever
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vive la Revolution!
by secdelahc on Feb 6, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmph.
... he said, cryptically.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no!
by secdelahc on Feb 6, 2007 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet it ain't!!
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark
by cubbiejulie on Feb 6, 2007 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes he does
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking you'll get it.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say, of course...
Not yet. But soon.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that's what you meant
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might be.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I to understand
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean
by secdelahc on Feb 6, 2007 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All in good time.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured you would.
by Al on Feb 6, 2007 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said "say no more"
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only because this is your writeup.
by gravedigger on Feb 6, 2007 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we still
by secdelahc on Feb 6, 2007 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No you don't.
by Al on Feb 7, 2007 4:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Al on Feb 7, 2007 4:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't know what I'm going to do with you.
by gravedigger on Feb 7, 2007 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can start by...
(Thought you could sneak that in without me seeing, did you?)
by Al on Feb 7, 2007 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have nothing to say here, except that
by Al on Feb 7, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great diary, Julie
by secdelahc on Feb 7, 2007 4:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the last word...
But I have a feeling I know who's going to get it.
by Al on Feb 7, 2007 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'll leave it alone
by secdelahc on Feb 7, 2007 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Mark
by cubbiejulie on Feb 7, 2007 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have no doubt that you're right.
by Al on Feb 7, 2007 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it does appear so.
by secdelahc on Feb 7, 2007 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU ALL ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY
by gravedigger on Feb 7, 2007 10:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But it's funny
by secdelahc on Feb 8, 2007 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I command you to stop laughing.
by gravedigger on Feb 8, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Command?
(Cue obligatory Monty Python quotage)
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh
by gravedigger on Feb 8, 2007 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Drat.
And then... Well, let me quote directly:
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
by gravedigger on Feb 8, 2007 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems pricey.
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me know...
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't vote for you!
by secdelahc on Feb 8, 2007 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we starting this again?
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure she will
by gravedigger on Feb 8, 2007 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I already told gravedigger
by secdelahc on Feb 8, 2007 6:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We'll see.
by Al on Feb 8, 2007 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can argue
by secdelahc on Feb 8, 2007 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, no.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark: I love Julie so. Why won't you let her have
Julie: Yeah! What gives?
by cubbiejulie on Feb 9, 2007 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But please,
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
There, I said it.
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
by cubbiejulie on Feb 9, 2007 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like old guys.
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to think of him
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too young...
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never had crushes on Cubs players...
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's obvious
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm outta here
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I have the last word
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Insomnia's a pain
by secdelahc on Feb 10, 2007 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As we creak towards 400 comments.
by Al on Feb 10, 2007 4:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A mystery.
And Julie says she didn't do it either.
So who did?
by Al on Feb 11, 2007 4:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You couldn't have.
by Al on Feb 11, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You doubt my hax0r skills
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're joking.
by Al on Feb 11, 2007 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, there isn't.
by Al on Feb 11, 2007 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently they do
Last word.
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
by secdelahc on Feb 11, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about that.
by Al on Feb 11, 2007 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Comment spam?
by secdelahc on Feb 11, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you feel bad...
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent,
by secdelahc on Feb 11, 2007 8:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You will be
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am persistent
by secdelahc on Feb 11, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine says the same thing
by gravedigger on Feb 11, 2007 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or until
by secdelahc on Feb 12, 2007 3:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then what, pray tell,
by secdelahc on Feb 12, 2007 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As will I, my friend.
by secdelahc on Feb 12, 2007 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're approaching 400
by secdelahc on Feb 12, 2007 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by gravedigger on Feb 12, 2007 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Odd.
by Al on Feb 13, 2007 7:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It says 391...
I keep waiting for Julie to take the last word and close this, so I had to reopen it for that purpose.
by Al on Feb 13, 2007 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess Julie doesn't want the last word.
by gravedigger on Feb 14, 2007 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.
by Al on Feb 14, 2007 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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