MLB Fears Bloggers!
On our SB Nation baseball discussion list yesterday, the Rev Halofan, who runs the Angels site Halos Heaven, shared this juicy little item with us:
Cupie, a friend who helps with Halos Heaven, does interviews, etc., he has been trying to nail down an interview with some Angels players or team personnel.He was told today by Angels assistant media relations man Larry Babcock that MLBAM has instructed his office (and the office of other teams) to have NO contact or relations with non-accredited internet sites - especially bloggers.
Cupie did not debate him, and maybe this was just the brush off, but Babcock asured us that "they all read your site here" but that his hands were tied.
More proof that the people who run MLB have their heads stuck in the 1950's. Do they think if they ignore us, we're just going to go away? Hardly.
The consensus on the SB Nation list seems to be that MLB doesn't want to acknowledge a group that they either can't:
Part of this seems to be a desire on the part of the clubs not to give press credentials to bloggers. Frankly, that hasn't been my focus -- I've never asked for credentials, and I'm happy to keep my season ticket and be "part of the game" from the bleachers.
But I also wouldn't mind doing an interview with Jim Hendry, or Lou Piniella, or some of the coaches or players. I cannot see how this hurts the Cubs, the individuals involved, or MLB.
But then, this is also the outfit that's about to cut off some of its fans to access to MLB Extra Innings, as Ed Sherman confirmed in the Tribune today. Sherman's in agreement with me when he writes:
... baseball just seems bent on reducing access. The decision seems to follow the same game plan that says let's put all the World Series games at night so kids can't see them. Growing the game doesn't seem to be part of the equation.Too bad. I had looked forward to overdosing on Extra Innings. Now I'll just have to go outside and play golf.
He's got it exactly right. Get your heads out of the sand, MLB. In case you hadn't noticed, the years on the calendar begin with "2" now. Wake up.
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Al...
And for the record, what the $%@#$@#@ does it take for SB Nation to become "accredited"?
by Damen Jackson on Feb 9, 2007 9:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Your point is taken.
We've been wondering ourselves why we can't get SB Nation (not just BCB, but all of us) more access, considering there are now 100 of us.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they do...
Just as an aside, has SB Nation considered petitioning for media credentials? It might be a way to bypass the league.
by Damen Jackson on Feb 9, 2007 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In a way...
The Cubs have, in the past, rejected requests from bloggers, including myself, for interviews. With a new media relations director, that may change. We shall see.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You touched on it, Al....
by ctcoff99 on Feb 12, 2007 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a silly Rule
by frustratedfan on Feb 9, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
That is not to say that a site could not evolve into a news site that deserved accreditation. But at their core, most true blogs are the opinions of amateur writers for the consumption of the masses.
by Ross on Feb 10, 2007 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, what a surprise.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Mariotti
by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he also fears chuck norris
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 9, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
by jessica on Feb 9, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Nonaccredited criteria"?
I agree with Damen Jackson that there are plenty -- and I mean plenty -- of low-brow, fly-by-night, just-plain-silly baseball blogs out there. But there are also a number of blogs -- like this one -- run by dedicated, knowledgable, passionate fans that, quite frankly, appear to be vastly more in touch with the game than many of the so-called "accredited" journalists being paid to write about baseball.
Couldn't the MLB hire some sort of consultant to objectively evaluate a nonaccredited media entity (such as BCB) and determine whether it's serious and, more important, valuable? When you consider how long BCB has been here (hey, two years to the date), how many posts are logged daily and the depth of many of our discussions, I think we'd pass the test.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 9, 2007 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That makes way too much sense.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
We all must really love baseball because they sure do a lot of things to piss us off and we keep coming back.
by rlpete on Feb 9, 2007 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re: That makes way too much sense.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 9, 2007 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Blogger" in the perjorative sense
its like treating all newspapers the same, whether its the Sun Times or the Hubbadr High Gazette
there are people in the media who get it, use (and steal from blogs) and see things for what they are... but there are also alot in the over 45 set who don't and willfully won't
their savviness extends just far enough to make disparaging comments about "some internet blogger" during a broadcast
by royalsreview on Feb 9, 2007 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is
by sue369 on Feb 9, 2007 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let it be known:
by tyger1147 on Feb 9, 2007 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Athletics Nation seems to be able to bypass this
by gjdow on Feb 9, 2007 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's because...
This is something the A's have recognized benefits them. If only the other clubs were as enlightened.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And this is why I like the A's
by gjdow on Feb 9, 2007 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Fear the Bloggers...
UZI
by Ozgreeder on Feb 9, 2007 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
re: Don't Fear the Bloggers...
IT WILL NEED MORE COWBELL!!!!
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 9, 2007 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see both sides
Another site I used to write for was actually getting write-ups in a few national magazines (Entertainment Weekly) and getting Best-Of awards from newspapers, and had the timing been different, I imagine we might have found one of those semi-legitimate blogging jobs through AOL or whatever. I think ultimately it would have muzzled the very thing that made us funny and we'd probably have hated it.
I imagine that most ballclubs see the aggregate quality of most baseball blogs as being below their standard, and for now they are probably right. Obviously there are a lot of rabid fans with good ideas here, but it's tough to say whether all these positives could be harnessed in a way that would dovetail with traditional media. I think that ultimately, internet-based DIY media will form a secondary layer of reporting that while not being taken in the same way as traditional outlets, will serve as a sort of counterbalance to them. Not having to answer to the pressure of various influences like advertisers and bottom-liners certainly gives a lot of freedom, but if the freedom isn't used correctly, no one will take you seriously anyway.
by JodyDavis on Feb 9, 2007 11:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's funny because of the news of this,
Couldn't you just imagine Julespierre breaking Hendry's balls over a few hot button topics?
I kid Julie. You're alright. Congrats btw.
by cubsfan2883 on Feb 9, 2007 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Al should at least....
by Thelonious on Feb 9, 2007 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Al
by Thelonious on Feb 9, 2007 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Um...
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
surely site antagonist
by Faith plus 1 on Feb 9, 2007 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure...
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
That's an unofficial position, of course.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No not that
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The staff list....
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is another one of those missed jokes.
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Must be the late night.
by gravedigger on Feb 9, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember.
by sparkles721 on Feb 9, 2007 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to be
references to Greg Maddux.
by jessica on Feb 9, 2007 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Nationals are another
by rfloh on Feb 9, 2007 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great quote from a team president.
by tyger1147 on Feb 9, 2007 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ooops... wanted to emphasize this part
by tyger1147 on Feb 9, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, USS Mariner
by rfloh on Feb 9, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
by Josh77 on Feb 9, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true.
by tyger1147 on Feb 9, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They SHOULD be afraid of me
by cubbiejulie on Feb 9, 2007 12:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aaahhh!!!
<runs and hides in corner>
by secdelahc on Feb 9, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what
lets focus on things we CAN do here to improve the site, lets get interviews we can.
Al asking Bruce Miles who does post here a bunch of questions we come up with could be a good read, Maybe get guys like Will Carroll (i think al interviewed him before) or other BP writers would be intresting as well, you could even spam Steve Stone.
There are plenty of intresting people who would take the time to talk with BCB i mean we have to be one of the larger SB nation sites. Besides an interview with Jim Hendry would be another showcase for his incredible powers of question deflection.
by ksucubbie on Feb 9, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've done...
For another take on this, Joshua at the Astros site Crawfish Boxes posted his thoughts on the email exchange we had.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so why dont
by ksucubbie on Feb 9, 2007 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had a nice convo
LOL.
okay. maybe not.
by cubbiejulie on Feb 9, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously...
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One point that I think is being missed
Yes, I think it would be great to have Hendry or Piniella interviewed here, or at a couple of other blogs that I respect. But it's not realistic, and it's really not what I want to see them spending their time on.
by davidalanu on Feb 9, 2007 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think stone is a good choice
Personally, I have a golden Steve Stone idol right next to my golden calf on my altar, and I slaughter a goat for both of them once per month.
by Thelonious on Feb 9, 2007 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
forgive the spelling
by ksucubbie on Feb 9, 2007 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But please don't forget that SB Nation
Well it came to mind on how stupid major league baseball can be making up stupid rules and forcing all the teams to follow the rules, well it looks like SB Nation does the same thing. Some of the higher ups made a stupid rule and made all the other SB Nations follow. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
by diehardmark on Feb 9, 2007 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me?
Our game threads here routinely get 200+ posts. I'm not sure how having to refresh a page is such a big deal.
Your analogy is not apt.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the same...
by tyger1147 on Feb 9, 2007 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think that too...
I don't know though. Maybe it works out fine and it doesn't really go as fast as I think it would. Like I said, I have never used it for a game.
by sparkles721 on Feb 9, 2007 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
It's not an apt analogy.
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"MLB fears the bloggers"
by Thelonious on Feb 9, 2007 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My .02
Newspapers can be sued, reporters can be fired, whilst bloggers are free from threat. They can't be forced to toe the line or softball questions.
If the Cubs were to adopt BCB, it would be like Muskat's columns, a horrible PR shell of their previous existance.
by FukudomeAtLarge on Feb 9, 2007 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And FWIW...
by Al on Feb 9, 2007 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What will never happen?
by Laven on Feb 9, 2007 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both.
And there's no way I'd ever write like Muskat!
by Al on Feb 10, 2007 4:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't be so sure, Al.
Just saying.
by Thelonious on Feb 10, 2007 4:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are out of your mind.
by Al on Feb 10, 2007 4:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got home
by Thelonious on Feb 10, 2007 4:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, youth.
by Al on Feb 10, 2007 4:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so am I
How do you like them apples?
by Thelonious on Feb 10, 2007 5:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by Al on Feb 10, 2007 5:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
by Thelonious on Feb 10, 2007 5:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You give up too easily...
Here, everyone click...a virus...
by theprognosticator on Feb 12, 2007 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bloggers
by NOMAR on Feb 10, 2007 4:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming they read
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Feb 10, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
issue solved?
I was actually able to get ahold of a media relations guy in the MLB front office. You can read about it here: http://www.goatriders.org/archives/2007/02/mlbs_policty_on_blogging.html
Previous articles where this was discussed can be found here and here: http://www.goatriders.org/archives/2007/02/a_few_more_thoughts_on_po_1.html
http://www.goatriders.org/archives/2007/02/goat_riders_vs_major_leag_1.html
by Kurt Evans on Feb 12, 2007 4:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This kind of reminds me
by cubbiejulie on Feb 12, 2007 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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