Back To The Drawing Board, Part Deux
The big news today, obviously, is covered in the game thread -- the continuing Mark Prior saga, in which he again looked not-nearly-ready for major league competition.
At cubs.com, Carrie Muskat saw it differently, complete with far different pitch counts than I had. I don't understand this -- for most of the game, I was standing right next to her. I'm not sure which game she was watching, but her statement that "Friday, his fastballs were clocked from 85-90 mph, primarily 85-88 mph", is unconfirmable, because the player the Cubs had sitting behind the plate with the radar gun was hiding it from view by anyone except himself. This wasn't the case when he had the gun on Jason Marquis; Marquis consistently hit 90 -- and Prior's pitches were NOT hitting the catcher's glove with nearly the authority that Marquis' were.
Anyway, that's water under the bridge, for now at least; I doubt we'll see Prior in any more major league action this spring.
His statement afterwards, when asked what was next:
... is dryly funny, but serious too, because I suspect no one really knows what's next.
What's next for the ballclub may not be known either, as Angel Guzman, after throwing a decent first three innings, got lit up in the fourth, finishing with a seven-hit, five-run appearance with no strikeouts. I suspect that'll put him and Wade Miller once again about even in the fifth-starter derby. Guzman did have good velocity, though, and I don't think the Cubs should give up on him yet.
The rest of the team completed a 7-6 loss to the White Sox, after coming back in the 9th inning with a three-run rally off Bobby Jenks, who looks fat and had nothing today -- but then Carmen Pignatiello gave the Sox a run on two hits in the bottom of the inning, ending the game. Jake Fox had yet another hit today; he's hitting .600 for the spring and talk is he may be tried in the outfield, since his bat is something the Cubs could use, while his catching skills leave something to be desired.
Michael Wuertz threw today -- and reasonably well, allowing two hits in a scoreless inning, striking out one. This is good news; at this point the Cubs, without Kerry Wood for an indeterminate length of time, can use extra arms in the bullpen. I've always liked Wuertz' arm; if he could harness his control he might even be a dark-horse backup candidate for closer if Ryan Dempster falters.
Cliff Floyd showed today why he shouldn't be counted on for regular play, badly misplaying a ball in the first inning that helped the White Sox to two runs. The man can hit -- although he went 0-for-2 today with a walk -- but his outfield play, never stellar, was horrid today. Clearly, he is still being bothered by the heel injury he's rehabbing.
It was 98 degrees in the Phoenix area today, record temperature territory (and the earliest it has ever been above 95 here), 93 in Tucson (which often is several more degrees cooler than Phoenix, due to its higher altitude), and temperatures at this level are supposed to continue through Sunday. I'll be back in Mesa for tomorrow's game against the Padres.
Rich Hill will face Greg Maddux. That ought to be interesting, and you can follow on both WGN radio and TV. Carlos Zambrano goes on Sunday with John Lackey pitching for the Angels.
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I saw the game on TV...
by Damen Jackson on Mar 16, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: Prior
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 16, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
On the same page w/you Jazzman.
Seen Steve Cole?
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Al,
'specially on the Prior Soap Opera.
I am tending to starting to agree with several writers who profess that we should just DUMP both Prior and Wood, and aleviate all of the distractions and missing time. just move on FINALLY, ya know?
But the needle of "what if" is still in the old arm, and they are both "paid for" to varying degrees.
Re 5th starter, I have stated this before - my money is on Wade Miller now. He knows (knew) how to pitch in my opinion (I remember some GREAT games against the Cubs), and a tie will go to the vet. I was lookin' for a "slam dunk" from the Gooz, and instead it was off the rim.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Prior is...
To just release him admits defeat or failure, and while that may be the ultimate resolution to this problem, I don't think management is willing to do that -- yet.
I think Prior stays in the organization, somehow, through the 2007 season. After this year, though... that's a very different story.
by Al on Mar 16, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it might admit defeat, I'm not sure it...
Maybe he'll come out and have a great season or half-season. I doubt it, but being the optimist that I tend to be, I'll leave the possibility open. However, do you remember when the Orioles wanted Prior (with a prospect) for Tejada? Oh, yeah, and remember when the Phillies wanted Prior for Abreu? Hmmm...either one of those trades don't sound real bad at this point...
by Mark H on Mar 16, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree Al.
Also, I didn't think he looked good as the first commenter said in this thread. In 10 innings this spring he's struck 2 guys out. TWO! This is a guy whose pitches are easily seen at this point and he got hit hard today. He was helped out by Blanco in the 1st inning as well.
I like Guzman, but today's outing has made me realize that his chance of ever being a decent starter are about to come to an end. He simply doesn't have it anymore. It may be good enough for relief, but he'll never be anything but a 5th starter at best unless we see significant improvements and since his velocity was good and his curve was good, I don't see that happening.
by Maddog on Mar 16, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Commanding?
Commanding? There's 2 weeks left in Spring Training, plenty of time for Miller to get lit up or hurt.
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Maddog's point is...
We'll see what happens in their two remaining starts.
by Al on Mar 16, 2007 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al...
by Damen Jackson on Mar 16, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't go to this game...
But from what I saw on TV, I agree with you.
I will say that even seeing him walking up to the plate to hit yesterday, he seemed to be still favoring the heel. He's not 100% yet.
by Al on Mar 16, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But average...
Rusch was NOT average.
Sean Estes was NOT average.
This has been our matrix the last several years.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, commanding!
A lead does not mean he's the choice, but it means that Guzman is going to have dominate like he's probably not capable of to take that spot away from Miller. Miller can get away with a bad outing because he's a veteran. Guzman can't.
The race for the 5th spot is not close.
by Maddog on Mar 16, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk to me after Miller's next start.
by lemon17pie on Mar 17, 2007 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzman might
by wild bill on Mar 16, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox to the OF?
He can't be any worse defensively than Barrett is behind the plate, that's for sure. I've seen Fox play many times actually and really like his approach at the plate and think he could be a very solid hitting Catcher.
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox...
I wasn't suggesting Fox could make the MAJOR LEAGUE team as an outfielder -- what I heard is that he could be tried there at Iowa or Tennessee, to give him a better shot at making the major leagues with versatility, sometime in the future.
by Al on Mar 16, 2007 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best route for Fox to take
Examples of these types of guys are Lloyd McClendon (80s) and Jose Morales (Expos, Twins, Orioles in the 70s). They could hit off the bench against LHP, and they could squat behind the plate for 6-7 innings a year.
by Invalid User on Mar 17, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
This is the sort of career Jake Fox could have if he can make that sort of shift. It's harder to do now because of 12-man pitching staffs -- many teams don't have room for a player like this.
by Al on Mar 17, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget
by Tekboy on Mar 17, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he is worse...
Look it up - Scout.com, ivytalk.com, etc. Do you think with the crappy Geo Soto as their current "3rd" in the depth chart, if he had any "D", with his bat, there is a reason he isn't getting the chance?
He also caught R.Hill @ Michigan.
I wish he had some "D". He is really bad.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the upside
by wild bill on Mar 16, 2007 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
American Legends
by JMEnglish on Mar 16, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by ksucubbie on Mar 16, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
She's too...
UZI
by Ozgreeder on Mar 16, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muskrat Carrie
by DrCrawdad on Mar 17, 2007 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
She's not a journalist by any stretch of the imagination. She's a paid hack who keeps her job only because she pleases her masters. Journalists have credibility. The Muskrat has a free pass to watch Cubs baseball and she's not going to do anything to jeopardize it.
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by Jed Taylor on Mar 17, 2007 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I can understand that and heck, if I were offered a paid gig writing for my favorite baseball team - press box, access to the team and all the other perks that a "writer" gets - I'd take it, gladly.
I don't know if I'd want to be a staff writer for the Toledo Mudhens, but I'd love to do it for any MLB team, even if that meant ...
Muskrat, Crawdad is coming for your job!
by DrCrawdad on Mar 17, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but the Mudhens
Alas, I do understand your point. Minor league reporting doesn't nearly have the glamor of the majors.
by secdelahc on Mar 17, 2007 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Prior
by deadcatbounce on Mar 16, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My take on Guzman:
- Angel has good stuff. There's no doubt about it. He has a great fastball and curve, which he put on display throughout the game.
- He has some definite control and command issues. He left his curve too far up in the zone to be effective against big league hitters.
- As we all saw, he got numerous hitters down
Largely, I believe his inability to put away hitters was due to a bad choice of 0-2 and 1-2 pitches and location. There were many times when he pitched the same pitch 3 times in a row, and he pitched them in the same location. If you throw two 83-mph curves low and outside for strikes 1 and 2, use that good heater up-and-out of the strike zone. Then come back with a low slider or curve. I know it's ST, and he may be throwing 3 curves in a row in order to find a consitent release point, but I don't think that's what he was doing most of the time.
Also, there were several time when he missed badly with his fastball, leaving it over the heart of the plate.
Overall, he's a kid that has great stuff and potential. He needs to stay healthy, and work a lot on his location and pitch selection in different situations. I think he'll start at Iowa, but we'll see him in Chicago this year.
by Mark H on Mar 16, 2007 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well put Mark H, BUT
There's a point when he is just going to have to avoid the "Novoa Complex" of not finishing batters off with 2 strikes, and not being to get the 3rd out.
He does remind me of Juan Cruz in his early days w/the Cubs.
The guy had the same problems.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the weather report, Al.
by TR on Mar 17, 2007 2:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where are all the people
Where would the Cubs be right now without Lilly and Marquis? Instead of trying to find a 5th starter, they would be looking for a 3rd, 4th and 5th. I'm not going to say that the deals were bargains, obviously they weren't but I'm glad they have them now.
Are any of you out there? What do you say now?
by rlpete on Mar 17, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guessing
that they are too busy writing their fan letters to Hee-Seop Choi and Jason DuBois to post.
by salparadise23 on Mar 17, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jed Taylor on Mar 17, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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