Oh, Well.
I told Mike, just as the rain delay was ending and they started play again, that it would all be worth it if the Cubs could pull an epic comeback and win this soggy game. He reminded me that the Cubs owe the White Sox an 8-run retort at some point, having blown an 8-run lead on June 28, 2002 at the Cell -- that was the day that I left the Cell (I don't think it was called that then, but that's an easy shorthand) wearing my Kerry Wood jersey, to yells of "Cubs suck!" from Sox fans. I turned around and said, "I can't argue with you today." Shut 'em right up.
Anyway, the comeback didn't happen, as you know -- the Cubs lost to the White Sox 10-6, still winning the series 2 games to 1, but this was a winnable game, and you can't totally blame Carlos Zambrano, who got to two out, no one on in the seventh, trailing only 3-2.
Back to that in a moment. It was soggier than usual for me, Mark (who, as an appropriately-behaved 11-year-old, loved getting soaked), Mike, Dave, Dave's daughter Lauren and her boyfriend and Phil (who pooped out when it was 10-2, before the rain), because I had decided to listen to the forecast, which called for just cloudy skies and "maybe a sprinkle", and did not bring my umbrella.
Thus when the downpour hit, complete with what appeared to be small hailstones, I was unprepared, attempting to huddle under Mike's tiny backup umbrella. I will say that the regulation Cubs jacket is quite handy -- it repels water quite well. Much better than my gloves, socks and jeans, anyway.
There have been plenty of days in May when it was 81 degrees, and plenty when it was 47. But I can't recall going to ballgames on consecutive days when the temperature dropped from one day to the next as it did today. Yesterday was summer; today, winter. A. J. Pierzynski's in-your-face-Neal-Cotts grand slam was hit into the teeth of the wind -- a real rocket into the RF basket. It would have been well up into the seats on any other day.
Before that, Z had gotten himself into trouble by hitting Juan Uribe after getting the first two men out easily in the seventh inning. At that time he was at only 98 pitches, fairly efficient for him, and had he retired pinch-hitter Jim Thome (Mike said it was as if Ozzie Guillen were saying, "I'll see your Derrek Lee [who had pinch-walked] and raise you a Thome!"), he'd have done a nice job, again without his best stuff. This article suggests some scouts think he's hurt, or maybe thinking too much about his contract. I doubt the latter is the case, although who knows for sure.
Anyway, Thome's at-bat, a walk on a very close 3-2 pitch, was the key one in the inning; Darin Erstad made it 4-2 with a bloop single that could have been caught, and then we were surprised that Z was allowed to face Tadahito Iguchi; at that point he was at about 110 pitches and done. Naturally, Iguchi walked, setting up Pierzynski's at-bat against Neal Cotts -- and we could have probably all predicted the result.
The Cubs decided to make it close against the suddenly-hittable David Aardsma (whose ERA went from 1.54 to 5.01 in two days) in the eighth; after a single and a walk, Aardsma struck out Alfonso Soriano, but then Aramis Ramirez smacked a home run ALSO into the wind; by then the dark clouds heralding the rain were starting to engulf the ballpark and the lights had been turned on. That made it 10-5, and after Mark DeRosa doubled, Jacque Jones singled him in to make it 10-6. By this time it was raining hard, and the umpires, bound and determined to play under absolutely the most miserable conditions possible (we all noted that in years gone by, they'd never have played once it started raining. In fact, in years gone by they might never have played at all today; often, back in the '60s and even into the early '70s, games were postponed due to cold and windy conditions. Of course, there weren't 41,164 tickets sold for games in those days), let it go until Pierzynski flied to Soriano for the first out in the 9th.
Scott Eyre, perhaps fighting to keep his job, loaded the bases in the 9th, but got out of it, at which time Ozzie, not wanting to fool around, brought in his closer (granted, it was either Bobby Jenks or lefty Boone Logan, and the Cubs' lineup at the time had only Jacque Jones and pinch-hitter Cliff Floyd from the left side), who finished it out rather uneventfully.
The announced 41,164 was the largest crowd of the series. It didn't seem that large, as the cold brought out two phenomena: one, a large number of empty seats due to no-shows, and two, a large number of people wearing shorts and T-shirts anyway. Most of those were gone by the third inning, and by the end of the game, after the 42-minute rain delay, there couldn't have been more than 5,000 people left, hoping for the rally that never came.
I'd take two of three in every series, of course, but psychologically, once you've won the first two there's pretty strong pressure to sweep, no matter who the opponent is. The next week is critical for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the Brewers are playing exactly the same road trip that we are, in reverse order; they'll play the Dodgers while the Cubs play San Diego, then the teams swap opponents for next weekend. That ought to tell us quite a bit about how our respective teams stack up against two of the better teams in the NL West.
Carlos Marmol threw another scoreless inning today; that's not what led to this diary mentioning that Lou might be considering moving Ryan Dempster into the rotation and installing Marmol as closer. That's a bad idea not only because Dempster has repeatedly failed at starting, but because Marmol doesn't have the consistency in throwing strikes that you need to be a good closer. Even today, in throwing a pretty good inning, he threw only nine strikes in nineteen pitches. You can see what might be coming if Marmol were the closer -- he's basically a younger, harder-throwing, Hispanic Dempster.
The Cubs also lost a chance to gain a game on the Brewers, who salvaged the last game of their series against the Twins. Instead of (perhaps) being four games behind, the Cubs enter the road trip six games back, still not an insurmountable deficit. They remained a half-game behind Houston, who were annihilated by the Rangers 14-1 -- I don't see the Astros going anywhere with that pitching staff.
Oh, and finally -- I did keep my scorecard dry, despite the downpour. The jacket helped, and oddly, the new, slightly more glossy paper they're using this year for the cards, which is a bit harder to erase mistakes on, also seems to shed water better. Go figure.
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Hey Al
Well said.
I think this team is stuck with Dempster the rest of the season. But I think Dempster is a minor problem The big issue is we have no one to get outs in the 7th and 8th innings.
Ideas?
Anyone?
Please?!?
by MrDurden on
May 20, 2007 6:45 PM CDT
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Two things.....
As for the series, it went very, very well. After this team shit the bed on Thursday, I had a sinking feeling there would be a hangover. The team came out and battled. This was a 180 from last year. The manager DOES make the difference!
As I said before, this team will contend. They may not win this weak division but we will see games that have meaning come September.
I am glad this series is over. My liver can now rest comfortably.
by timeforachange on
May 20, 2007 6:51 PM CDT
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I'm fine with a trade
What team?
Which player?
Do they have someone better in wings?
Also who are we going to trade to get this pitcher when the Phillies have Aaron Rowan ready to trade for fill their Bull Pen needs (Not to mention the Yanks, Braves, Mariners, Detroit, and Chicago who will be looking and have much deeper Minor league systems then we do).
No one is taking Jones over Rowan.
So do you want to move Pie for that set-up man?
If not Pie, who?
You might have better answers to these questions but I can' answer them which makes me think a trade is not going to happen (unless Hendry just totally throws this team under the bus to try to win this year).
by MrDurden on
May 20, 2007 7:06 PM CDT
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The problem is.....
IMHO, it will take a player like Pie to get this done. People overpay at the dealine.
Right now, you could look to the Pirates and their pen as an option. The NYY also could become a player. This route may not cost a team a prospect if they are willing to pick up a longer contract.
by timeforachange on
May 20, 2007 7:10 PM CDT
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Brandon Lyon....
by lemon20pie on
May 20, 2007 7:12 PM CDT
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Would they take JJ or Murton
Maybe even JJ and we pay his salary?
How about on of the B level prospects like Rocky Cherry?
by MrDurden on
May 20, 2007 7:20 PM CDT
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The problem with closers
by MPH73 on
May 20, 2007 10:30 PM CDT
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The Padres have
But, I don't know what the Cubs have that the Padres would want. They still have a black hole at 3B, with the kid Kouzmanoff still not coming around. (He has actually gotten his average to near .200 lately) They could use a catcher with an arm....I think Jones would be too rich for their taste, though.
And Mr D, you don't trade Pie. That's absurd.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
May 20, 2007 7:51 PM CDT
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I would agree.....
I would have to say yes.
by timeforachange on
May 20, 2007 9:40 PM CDT
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Is there a
by tharr on
May 20, 2007 11:05 PM CDT
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No.....
The Sutcliffe deal did not bring a WS. Except for "Cubs luck", this deal would have been considered a huge success. Can a similar deal be had? Would you do it?
by timeforachange on
May 20, 2007 11:56 PM CDT
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If I felt it
by tharr on
May 21, 2007 3:59 AM CDT
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I don't believe there is one play
So there is no way I would trade Pie.
He is the long term future of this team and I wouldn't trade him unless the Cubs knew they were one play away. And honestly the Cubs are more than one player away.
by MrDurden on
May 20, 2007 11:13 PM CDT
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You wrote
So who closed?
by Butchoh31 on
May 20, 2007 6:47 PM CDT
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CSN had reported
Today sucked but I'm glad they got 2 out of 3 for the series.
by sue369 on
May 20, 2007 6:50 PM CDT
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Z chokes on lefties
Either he gets another pitch to throw to lefties or he gets his head back. I don't care which. BTW, he's doing OK vs. right handed batters. I doubt it's his arm or the splits wouldn't be so diverse.
by tharr on
May 20, 2007 7:02 PM CDT
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That pitch to Erstad
by lemon20pie on
May 20, 2007 7:11 PM CDT
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Further Proof that Z is a total head case
by MrDurden on
May 20, 2007 7:22 PM CDT
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Marshall
by Chanman25 on
May 20, 2007 7:35 PM CDT
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My thoughts exactly
I do like the prospect of either Guzman or Marmol as the closer... but they'd need to develop into that role over time. And Marmol's control is a mess.
by SackMan on
May 20, 2007 10:13 PM CDT
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Best news of day...Z is not signed
roll the dice on another reclamation project...maybe Rusch can come back!! Or Prior?
this guy is main reason cubs are under .500. Others on pitching staff--despite leaky bullpen--have overachieved relative to expectations and salary level.
by writerinwrigley on
May 20, 2007 7:40 PM CDT
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Easier to move?
Don't believe me? Click here.
by Al on
May 21, 2007 4:04 AM CDT
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Does Lorraine Bracco
Z needs to see a shrink. Fo' Real!
Re trades - well, this is an interesting subject.
First - who do we have OF REAL VALUE to another team that we'd trade for help now, in May/June.
- Young pitching: Sean Marshall, Sean Marshall, Sean Marshall
- Young everyday player who is a value: Matt Murton, Matt Murton, Matt Murton
- Veteran starter: Wade Miller (although, is this "real" value)
- Veteran Reliever who has had prev. success: Eyre, Howry
- Overpaid, moderately succcessful OF who will platoon: Jacque Jones
You guys figure out who the above are a good match for!!
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 7:43 PM CDT
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Z and a shrink?
by No Southern Belle on
May 21, 2007 11:18 AM CDT
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Dempster
And what's wrong with the rotation anyway? There's Zambrano, who might be hurt, and I suppose if he were to go onto the DL, starting Dempster is an idea to entertain. And then dismiss in favor of better candidates. The fifth spot, as far as I'm concerned, belongs to Guzman, who has done just fine in three starts.
In my opinion, this is residual crazy talk from the delirium following Thursday's game.
Dave Geiser
by dvdmgsr on
May 20, 2007 7:43 PM CDT
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and it was really only one game
by Chanman25 on
May 20, 2007 7:51 PM CDT
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Yup
Now that being said, I'd be okay with Guzman going to the pen, but closing him is not the need. There has been inconsistency. Guzman was a solid reliever. So putting him and perhaps Marmol in the pen could give then a pair of hard throwers for late innings. The problem is when figuring out who to get rid of. Howry and Eyre are here because of their contracts. Same for Ohman. Wuertz, for the most part, has been good. I don't see Cotts going. I just don't know who goes, but putting Marshall into the rotation and Guzman in the pen would be fine by me.
DmL
by dmlichte on
May 20, 2007 7:55 PM CDT
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Dempster is
In the "lower half" statistically.
2 blown saves.
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 7:59 PM CDT
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That's not really accurate...
He's not terrific, but he's given up runs in only 4 of 18 appearances, and he's really only had two terrible outings this year. Other than the St Louis game and the Mets game, his ERA is under 1 with a WHIP of about 0.60. So for the most part, he's actually been really strong this year.
by SouthernCub on
May 21, 2007 5:30 AM CDT
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guzman is moving to the pen
by elgato on
May 20, 2007 7:56 PM CDT
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So what?
by dvdmgsr on
May 20, 2007 8:20 PM CDT
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Just off Rotoworld
So, we're not the only ones who can't figure out what is going on in Chicago. It looks like Dempster will continue to close for now, but this idea of putting him in the rotation is a legitimate threat. If it happens, he'd lose almost all of his value. We thought the same thing about Jason Marquis, of course, but Dempster really would be a lousy bet as a starting pitcher.
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good, but do you think he will be a mentor for Marmol or Guzman to be the closer later?
by Chanman25 on
May 20, 2007 7:43 PM CDT
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I have had it with Z
by JB 23 on
May 20, 2007 7:54 PM CDT
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Absolutely agree
by 26.2cubfan on
May 20, 2007 10:38 PM CDT
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I'm in favor of Marshall in the 5 spot, too
Dempster stays the closer (which is good). The top four starters aren't moving. Guzman's in the pen and you figure Marmol is, too, though I guess he could be sent back down.
Assuming he stays, that means Eyre, Howry, Cotts, Ohman or Wuertz is gone.
Wuertz has options left and he's cheap, so here's hoping he stays. Howry has been inconsistent, but not TERRIBLE. Ohman has been the best of the three lefties (kind of like winning the award for the best teeth in the U.K.).
So Cotts or Eyre? But what do they do? Back spasms for Eyre?
by elgato on
May 20, 2007 8:02 PM CDT
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meant to say Wuertz has been doing well
by elgato on
May 20, 2007 8:08 PM CDT
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Eyre or Cotts
phat
by phatass on
May 20, 2007 8:11 PM CDT
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I'd say Guzman or Marmol
by SackMan on
May 20, 2007 10:39 PM CDT
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Agreed about Cotts
With Marshall coming up, the Cubs will have 6 lefties on their active squad. I've certainly never heard of that before. That's just ridiculous.
by lemon20pie on
May 21, 2007 12:33 AM CDT
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The hell?
Scott Eyre: 8.10 ERA
Neal Cotts: 1.22 WHIP
Scott Eyre: 2.33 WHIP
Neal Cotts: 3.7 VORP
Scott Eyre: -4.0 VORP
Neal Cotts: 0.312 WXRL
Scott Eyre: -1.015 WXRL
We can dig up almost any stat you like, and I don't know that I've found any that makes Neal Cotts look worse than Scott Eyre.
by cwyers on
May 21, 2007 2:09 AM CDT
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This year.
by lemon20pie on
May 21, 2007 3:05 AM CDT
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Re: Terrible
TERRIBLE is in the eye of the beholder.
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 8:08 PM CDT
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howry has actually been worse than cotts
But Howry's ERA is not awful, and he's pitched more than any of the other regulars in the pen.
Eyre is the real atrocity.
by elgato on
May 20, 2007 8:16 PM CDT
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Hey Al
by ronsanto10 on
May 20, 2007 8:14 PM CDT
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Well..
But it's only ten years old. Cubs/Cardinals goes back many decades with many pennant races. It's still a better rivalry.
It's nice to have a new one, though. Cubs/Brewers is heading in the same direction.
by Al on
May 21, 2007 4:07 AM CDT
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It's May
by dvdmgsr on
May 20, 2007 8:22 PM CDT
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Uhh...I'd disagree
This is pathetic.
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 8:42 PM CDT
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Is this your first year watching baseball?
by CubsBall2202 on
May 20, 2007 8:53 PM CDT
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Yes, this year I am
Unlike last year.
Except the bullpen hasn't caught up.
Have you ever been to Wrigley Field in PERSON, or do you watch what TV shows you in Kansas somewhere?
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 9:18 PM CDT
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i wasnt typing to you
by CubsBall2202 on
May 20, 2007 9:40 PM CDT
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MY BAD!!
I apologize to you personally!
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 9:49 PM CDT
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Oh BTW,
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 8:43 PM CDT
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This season really reminds me of '04
The bad thing is that some of the problems that plagued the Cubs, and kept them out of the post-season, in 2004, are present as well. Namely, feast or famine offense and an unreliable bullpen. Oh, throw in adventures in base-running, too.
We are chasing a team that appears to be running away with the division, just like '04 (except this time it is the Brew Crew, not the Cards). And just like '04, whenever that club shows some signs of being "catchable," we promptly cede any ground we might be able to gain and the lead always stays just about the same.
There are some key differences, though. No Dusty ineptitude - if the Cubs fizzle or flame out, it won't be because of Lou's approach. I still think this team has some bad Dusty habits that they haven't quite yet shaken - the optimist in me thinks they'll be rid of them by the All-Star break, but I worry that it will take a full year to completely rid themselves of that stuff (dude). I don't think there are any clubhouse cancers on Sosa's level, either - this team seems to actually play pretty well together. I also don't see the Wild Card coming from the Central this year, so its either catch the Brewers or bust.
Overall, it really means this is shaping up to be a season of hopes perpetually raised, then dashed. As frustrating as that is, I'll still take it over the "not a chance in hell" feeling that set in before the calendar even flipped to May last year.
by SuperContext on
May 20, 2007 9:13 PM CDT
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I didn't realize
by Not Bruce Froemming on
May 20, 2007 9:27 PM CDT
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Eh, they really aren't
by SuperContext on
May 20, 2007 9:33 PM CDT
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Milwaukee's 3-7 in their last 10
by SackMan on
May 20, 2007 10:45 PM CDT
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I wouldn't count
by Not Bruce Froemming on
May 20, 2007 11:39 PM CDT
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As I wrote...
by Al on
May 21, 2007 4:09 AM CDT
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Was at the game today,
Big Z is turning into Big Crap. 3-2 ballgame, two out and nobody on, heading into the 7th inning stretch.... 142 batters later it's 10-2.
This was a winnable game. But, I think the Cubs have proved thus far, they aren't a winning team.
by SackMan on
May 20, 2007 10:21 PM CDT
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You got the request in your sig
How about: "A bullpen that doesn't suck please!"
by SuperContext on
May 20, 2007 11:19 PM CDT
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You are correct
I keep saying, though. When all is said and done - the team SHOULD be around .500 imo.
Actually - they could be a game or two or three under.
They are just going to HAVE to close teams down from the 7th on.
by TheEman on
May 20, 2007 10:24 PM CDT
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They're just incapable of it
by SackMan on
May 20, 2007 10:31 PM CDT
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Sun Times has reported
So this is what I see coming
Rotation:
- Z
- Lilly
- Marquis
- Hill
- Marshall (Now 2-0 with an ERA under 3.00 in AAA)
Setup: Guzman
Setup: Marmol
Lefty: Ohman
Short Relief: Weurtz
Short Relief: Howry
Long Relief: Cotts
AAA:
Emergency Starter: Miller
Emergency reliever: Cherry
DL for the next month: Eyre
I think the Marshall move is a very good one. That is the best rotation the Cubs can have right now.
I also like the move for Guzman to the Pen with Marmol. These kids throw hard an can make mistakes in the strike zone and get away with them.
I also think Weurtz and Howry will pitch better with the pressure off them.
If Miller can get his Fastball back to 90mph (it is at 86 right now) then the Cubs will have a great 6th starter and if Cotts continues to suck then they can bring him up.
Cherry moving back down is a good think but if either of the kids struggle too much then he will be back from the land of corn before you know it.
And getting Eyre off the team is good for the team and for him. Who knows he might get his head on straight by picking on the some single A teams. But it is clear, right now, he is not MLB Material. Hopefully he can rejoin the team after the all start break.
Suggestions?
Predictions?
by MrDurden on
May 20, 2007 11:02 PM CDT
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The only thing that worries me...
by Schwa on
May 21, 2007 3:28 AM CDT
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Consider me...
I have the feeling that at some point Marshall gets traded. I don't think Lou is excited by the idea of 3 lefties in the rotation, even if it is our best alignment (which I think it is at the moment).
And I know this is off-topic, but Dempster has no business going back to the rotation. He was terrible at it before the injuries. I have trouble believing he's gotten better since.
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