Trade Rumor
No, not from me.
From ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, buried at the bottom of his "Rumblings and Grumblings" column:
Jones is a decent complementary player and I don't mind having him here, but if he can bring, for example, some bullpen help or a fifth-starter candidate or some lower-level prospects that can help restock the future pitching pipeline, I'm all for it.
There, that ought to give you all something to talk about on this off-day.
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I don't like it.
by thekansasian on May 3, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
by miltowncubbie on May 3, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones is a solid enough player
In the words of Branch Rickey, "better to trade someone too early than too late"
by Jhoratio on May 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Also, I was just thinking about 10 minutes ago how boring it was that there wasn't a whole lot to talk about today with no game.
by VicVega on May 3, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand this thinking
by bleacher on May 4, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that always the consideration...what you get
CF is going to be Pie at least 3 games out of 5...(Cubs move Jones they either recall Pagan and demote Cedeno) and add something either a 5th starter or bullpen improvement (Cherry?) In fact everyday I can see Theriot at SS and Pie/Pagan in CF...with Pagan being a late inning defensive replacement in RF with the lead.
But the question is what is Jones value...let me say Cubs get a real starter not a Miller/Rusch who can fill at the 5th spot and solidify the rotation and therefore the bullpen, GOOD. Who needs a LHB? San Diego? LAD? Clev? CHISOX? TX? CO? TB?
by Ivy Walls on May 4, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents..
by wicubfan on May 3, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When I say...
Without doing some research I couldn't tell you who this would be, but I know pitchers like that are out there.
by Al on May 3, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be ok..
by wicubfan on May 3, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upton
by danimal15 on May 3, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way...
by DTJchris on May 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're confused
Still, as has been pointed out, there is no way the D-Backs trade Justin Upton, a guy who was the #1 pick in the draft just two years ago, for Jacque Jones.
by Josh77 on May 3, 2007 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're giving up too much there...
by seang03 on May 3, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight
by MHef08 on May 4, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real problem
by bleacher on May 4, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it either
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only if they get someone worth it
by John Q Freejazz on May 3, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the best trade I would do is
by Chanman25 on May 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Davies
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
by Chanman25 on May 3, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospective Interest???
- St. Louis? Not going to trade in the division.
- Florida? They can't afford the contract.
- Philadelphia? Maybe. Jon Leiber?
- Atlanta? Maybe. But the contract is too rich.
- LA Dodgers? Maybe. Send Matt Kemp this way and we have a deal today.
- Chicago White Sox? Doubtful. At least right now.
- Minnesota? Thay won't want the contract.
- Texas? Maybe.
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5 mil a year
by DTJchris on May 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would add
and
LA/Anaheim/California- Stoneman isn't exactly an active trading partner
Those are two teams with needs in the OF, though.
by davidalanu on May 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland
by MHef08 on May 4, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not crazy about it
Why not see what we can get for Murton? That one will go over big!
by tommy veryzer on May 3, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton
by danimal15 on May 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope to god your kidding about
by CubsBall2202 on May 3, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that.
As far as Jones' and his 10 hoppers to the cut off man, I've only see him do it once this year and actually has made some strong throws from RF.
by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
- Matt Murton is arbitration eligable. Why is this important? Because we have guys like Lee, Soriano and Ramirez signed to backloaded deals. Players like Murton are essential to keeping any sort of payroll sanity with this team. Especially if we start paying Zambrano "Zambrano Money." (That's like Zito money, except more of it.)
- Murton has more trade value than Jones. Because -- see above -- he's arbitration-eligable. He's cheaper and he's under club control for more years. Teams are NOT looking to make deals of that size this early in the year.
by cwyers on May 3, 2007 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton only has
by davidalanu on May 3, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade anybody
by mrcubsfan on May 3, 2007 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is
by sue369 on May 3, 2007 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the Cubs favorite dumping
He would be a upgrade from Jay Gibbons or >shudder< Freddie Bynum.
by Neifi Puppy on May 3, 2007 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No way.
JJ is one of TWO HR threats from the left side.
Floyd has been on the DL 10 times.
If he goes down (a liklihood) there would be no one else other than Iz-TURD-is and Pie. You see what you have there, particularly with the latter.
I would expect Pie to get sent down before this trade would happen.
We will see as the weeks go by.
More pressing is that Z is STILL NOT SIGNED past this year.
Al met John McDounugh and mum was still the word.
If he doesn't get signed, its gonna be a sad day. Hendry COULD HAVE taken care of this last season but rolled the dice too many times.
by TheEman on May 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute.
If Floyd goes down, we have PLENTY of help. We don't need Jones. In addition we have Daryle Ward for cheaper.
We don't need an expensive backup right now. Send him along, and let's move on.
by nickler on May 4, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ has more value...
by southerncubbie on May 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can someone tell me who plays RF?
either Murton or Jones can handle it so who does that leave DeRossa? Seriously who in the world would play RF if Jones is traded?
by jessica on May 3, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Floyd
by lovejones72 on May 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have GOT to be kidding
by jessica on May 3, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whaddya want?
by lovejones72 on May 3, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
errors don't tell the story
by jessica on May 3, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There aren't enough
by lovejones72 on May 4, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me I watched Floyd more than anyone here
He is more than worth having for his bat but he has to stay in LF
by jessica on May 4, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh -
by lovejones72 on May 4, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well......
I think the Cubs have to deal someone in their outfield. While I like them both, I'd trade Murton - he's younger, lower contract, and will possibly bring something back in return we could use.
JJones is valuable injury insurance for Floyd, and valuable "rookie slump" insurance for Pie. Trade Murton, demote Cedeno, bring up Pagan and the 5th starter, and let's see what we have.
by Chadnudj on May 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good
by utcubby on May 4, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLUE MIKE had a great point
by lovejones72 on May 3, 2007 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be sad to see JJ go...
When he first got here, I remember being a little annoyed by the cocky way he flung down his bat when he hit a home run. I've grown to dig it. That kinda sums up about how I feel about the man himself.
And I doubt somehow that Jacque is requesting a trade. He appears to be getting along with this teammates and has been playing pretty well the last few games.
by dat cubfan daver on May 3, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Murton
Even though Pie's bat is a detriment to the lineup, his glove is in a less than average OF defense is needed on this team. Especially now that it seems that THeriot will find a way in the lineup everyday, you can afford Pie's weak stick down in the order.
The Cubs have 3 choices:
* Send Pie down. I don't think that is going to happen.
* Send Murton down or trade Murton
* Trade Jones for a 5th starter. Somebody mentioned Lieber earlier and I would like that. I think that's a realistic option.
by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Lieber a real rumor?
Used to see him and his kids when I walked the dog. Wouldn't call them friends we hardly knew them but they are nice people.
by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Migh have some legs
Oakland could be a possibility too, with all their injuries and JJ's contract would be doable for the A's. Who the Cubs would get in return from the A's is anybody's guess though.
by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's...
Do not meddle in the affairs of Beane, for they are subtle and quick to plunder your minor league affiliates. I'd rather Hendry traded with a GM who is less of a shark. (I can't wait to see what Hendry gets us from Baltimore in exchange for Wade Miller, for example. It'll happen!)
by cwyers on May 3, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to say
by Perkins on May 3, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see him come back.
by LilLPLancer23 on May 3, 2007 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Floyd also...
by dat cubfan daver on May 3, 2007 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only qualm I have about Jones
If Cliff can stay healthy I think this could be one of the best moves Hendry has made so far.
This guy can flat out hit.
by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
Plus we'd be turning over RF to Floyd, which is a defensive downgrade from Jones.
Doesn't seem to make much sense trading Jones now. Why sign Cliff Floyd in the first place if you are looking to get rid of a semi-productive left handed bat who is marginal defensively and has limitations to his game? Jones may not quite be Floyd's equal offensively but he gives us much more flexibility defensively.
The problem could be solved by letting go of Ward. That frees up the roster spot. We don't get anything in return but we also don't weaken the outfield defense, and I doubt any starter we get back would be much more effective than Guzman or someone else who's already in the organization.
Jones isn't great but he's solid enough. I love prospects but this team can win now and given the way this team is configured Jones can contribute as much or more than just about anyone we could get back in trade.
by pageian on May 3, 2007 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs did trade Jones....
by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love these type of articles
So if the Cubs trade Jones he can claim he had a scoop.
by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope jones stays
by buckmulligan on May 3, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Rumors
We need to hang on to potential trade bait until we see what we need down the road in July and then be able to get it. There's no way to figure who will get hurt or ineffective in the next few weeks, but it's a fair bet somebody will succumb and there will be a gap to fill.
Here's hoping we keep Pie right where he's at. The bat seems to be coming around, the fielding is a revelation, and with two strong arms (Pie and Soriano)in the outfield, this team is much tighter defensively.
Looks like we're getting ready for a fun ride this season. Milwaukee will come back to the pack and we're a good bet to lead that pack into September.
by Mordecai Brown on May 3, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Daryl Ward...
Meanwhile, I seriously think you misunderstand trading. Teams trade to address needs. There is no team out there looking for a shortstop who can bat .190 and committ 5 errors a month. Any plan to trade the Wizard of Iz relies on a false appreciation on how much used baseballs are worth in the eBay age.
by cwyers on May 3, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
It's becoming a no-brainer for opposition managers. Walk Ward, force the Cubs to use a pinch runner, and pitch to someone like Neifi. At a minimum, the Cubs need a bench player who can play first, PH, and actually run for himself. That doesn't seem like so much to ask.
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by Jed Taylor on May 3, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here was my opinion of Ward on 4/20
and it hasn't changed:
Then, in a situation that will occur probably more than 50% of the time (especially with a depleted bench) when it's late in the game, most teams will have a Lefty warming up in the pen and when Ward is announced, the opposing team will call on the Lefty and then Piniella, because Ward is so bad against Lefties, will have to burn another one of those precious bench players and PH for Ward.
If there is one roster move that HAS got to be made, ASAP, it's Ward needs to be DFA'd. He just does not fit on this team.
by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one more dimension than Cesar.
by cwyers on May 3, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one positive on Ward....
by ctcoff99 on May 3, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About dealing with the A's...
Ward would be just about right for that, and since he draws walks, Billy Beane might be interested.
That way, you could actually get something for him.
by Al on May 4, 2007 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's just traded
I'm not saying they're not interested in Ward, though I doubt it, just that he isn't going to bring you back much more than just cash.
by rfloh on May 4, 2007 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree Jed..
by wicubfan on May 4, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
Coming into the season, the big debate was about how LF would be manned. That's now a moot question. Soriano has emerged as the answer, and he's going to play every game he's physically able to there. That leaves center and right.
CF has been turned over to Pie. Perhaps it was a bit too soon, but once it was decided Soriano had to move, Pie is, barring a significant trade that's unlikely to happen, the best option. He will need, however, time on the bench as well as on the field, so the Cubs need someone who can spell him. That someone is clearly Jones, the only person on the roster who can competently play there.
So, even if one believes Jones' bat isn't as good as Floyd's or Murton's (it's not, but the differences aren't significant), and his arm is a noodle, he's a much-needed LH bat who does go get tough balls tailing away in right. Floyd can barely move. And while Murton could be passable, he's a RH bat who seems to need to play regularly to put up his good offensive numbers.
Result? Murton needs to go to AAA to get him his needed playing time and keep him ready for when he's needed. Jones needs to stay and play RF/CF. Ward needs to be dumped in favor of a speedy defensive OF replacement. And Floyd needs to become the part-time RF and power PH.
It's not a perfect solution, but it's the best use of the current roster and what each player can do. Trading Jacque Jones would create more problems than it would solve.
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by Jed Taylor on May 3, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Jones....
Here's why:
You have to play Soriano. Period. That's one outfield spot. If Pie is going to remain on the big league roster, then you have to play him every day, because he will never improve offensively coming off the bench and he plays a rock- star center field. That's two outfield spots. That leaves Murton and Floyd to platoon in right field, and I'm happy with either one of these guys in the lineup. I realize that Floyd is injury-prone and if he goes down at some point this year as he usually does, he will really miss JJ. It's risky. But you can't possibly get at-bats for three additional outfielders if you keep Pie.
As much as I would hate to see him go, if it came down to trading Murton instead of Jones for a starting pitcher or a left-handed bullpen guy, I would do that also.
by ctcoff99 on May 3, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And even if Floyd does go down.....
by ctcoff99 on May 3, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do NOT have to
"then you have to play him every day"
He is a total young rook - you think Cox, Leyland, LaRussa, et. al. would just give him CF when there is a decent LH hitter who hit 27 hrs last year, and who can play CF to an average level?
What's the hurry? The Cubs will owe him $13MM as well - or something like that.
As I've said 50 times here - I would think with the current make-up of the team - I'm fine with him going back to AAA until/if something happens to Floyd - OR using him as a spot starter/defensive whiz in late innings, thereby moving JJ to RF.
It is unlikely that Jones will be traded anytime soon unless something really mutually beneficial comes up.
by TheEman on May 3, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
murton or jones
by BJ on May 3, 2007 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More I think about it, the more this rumor sucks
And, it is no coincidence that the Cubs have been playing much improved ball ever since Alfonso Soriano became the permanent left fielder and Felix Pie started patrolling center field.
Again, if it were up to me, I'd keep Jacque Jones and platoon him with Mark DeRosa in right field. DeRosa can split time with Ryan Theriot at 2nd base on those days when Theriot isn't playing shortstop or taking a day off. All three guys get significant playing time. Cesar Izturis winds up getting decent playing time.
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Izturis is a waste of roster space
by Faith plus 1 on May 3, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could care less
No one ever called Murton spectacular, he's not, he's a decent bat though. Whether you want to admit it or not.
Now, here's the part where you come back with some childish claim/immature bashing without an substantial evidence, or that which would actually support your point.
Now then, lets have it.
by Faith plus 1 on May 3, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what you just said
FWIW, Izturis doesnt' have much of a bat to begin with though.
by Faith plus 1 on May 3, 2007 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS
The answer is Murton. It is a sad thing to see the guy who led this team in OPS and BA last season, riding the pine. Hendry made moves this season that were silly. DeRosa, rather than trusting Theriot. Cliffy, rather than trusting Murton or JJ. Yes we have far too many outfielders, and we will eventually need a 5th starter. Unless we want to be down one infielder, if you can call Cedeno an infielder, you send Big Red to Iowa and let him hit every single day. If/When Floyd gets hurt, he comes up. It is the only way.
With Cliffy in the lineup against power rightys, we are at least competitive
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If we choose Murton over Jones. We will be screwed over by other teams bull pens, and we will see a lot more D Ward off the bench as a lefty. Anyone want that?
by louslovechild on May 3, 2007 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Theriot seems to be working out nicely (although he IS NOT an everyday shortstop). That's great news. Play Theriot at shortstop and 2nd base in complement to Cesar Izturis and DeRosa. Then make DeRosa the right-handed hitting platoon partner of Jacque Jones and Cliff Floyd in right field.
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK.....
Before I get going on the need to release or DFA Daryl Ward or anything like that, what are the rules on making moves of that sort this early?
As far as Lieber is concerned, the Phils' pitching looks atrocious. Garcia is not looking good and has had arm problems. Brett Meyers is in the bullpen and Tom Gordon is staring at the DL or retirement. Giving up Lieber for outfielder who hits .280 and may or may not hit 20 -25 home runs is not what they need. They have Pat Burrell for that.
by louslovechild on May 3, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moral of the story?
by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what we get, but still...
by DudeVf11 on May 4, 2007 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The names you're looking for...
The contract won't be an issue because its not overpriced in the current market like it was last year at this time.
You throw in a reliever if you have to, but if you're the GM of the Cubs you should try to make a deal for one of the Braves SS's.
The other option would be to work out a similar deal with the Angels, who also have a ton of organizational SS depth but could use another bat. Jones and a mid-level prospect for Erick Aybar may make sense for both teams.
by shawndgoldman on May 4, 2007 1:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Depth and uncertainty...
by cubby23 on May 4, 2007 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have mixed emotions
by jshipp on May 4, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
this OF situation will all work out in a few weeks. Someone will get hurt. Come on, this is the Cubs we're talking about.
by salparadise23 on May 4, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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