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No, not from me.

From ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, buried at the bottom of his "Rumblings and Grumblings" column:

... if anyone wants a bat, the Cubs have stepped up efforts to deal Jacque Jones in the wake of the decision to keep Felix Pie in the big leagues.

Jones is a decent complementary player and I don't mind having him here, but if he can bring, for example, some bullpen help or a fifth-starter candidate or some lower-level prospects that can help restock the future pitching pipeline, I'm all for it.

There, that ought to give you all something to talk about on this off-day.

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I don't like it.
And I know I'm in the minority.
MARQUIS! YES, MARQUIS!

by thekansasian on May 3, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you
Jacque is a very solid LF and people are going to be crying for him later in the season when the Cubs need a consistent left-handed bat.

by miltowncubbie on May 3, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jones is a solid enough player
But getting value for him is probably a good move.  At some point, the Cubs will have to commit to Pie.  If they're not ready to trade Jones to make room, then they should just go ahead and trade Pie.

In the words of Branch Rickey, "better to trade someone too early than too late"

by Jhoratio on May 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
I just hope we can get rid of him for something worthwhile. His numbers certainly should be more helpful now than when they were trying to get rid of him in the offseason.

Also, I was just thinking about 10 minutes ago how boring it was that there wasn't a whole lot to talk about today with no game.

"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"

by VicVega on May 3, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand this thinking
He hit 27 HRs last year.  He can play a passable CF.  He rehabbed his bad arm.  What's wrong with him??  

by bleacher on May 4, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that always the consideration...what you get
Let's face it...Jones is redundant on the Cubs roster....marginal defensive OF'er, fair bat but below the offensive ceiling of Floyd (and more expensive). Murton is about the same (more accurate arm, less speed) defensively and relatively the same offensively (maybe less power for OBP) plus a RHB and cheap.

CF is going to be Pie at least 3 games out of 5...(Cubs move Jones they either recall Pagan and demote Cedeno) and add something either a 5th starter or bullpen improvement (Cherry?) In fact everyday I can see Theriot at SS and Pie/Pagan in CF...with Pagan being a late inning defensive replacement in RF with the lead.

But the question is what is Jones value...let me say Cubs get a real starter not a Miller/Rusch who can fill at the 5th spot and solidify the rotation and therefore the bullpen, GOOD. Who needs a LHB? San Diego? LAD? Clev? CHISOX? TX? CO? TB?

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by Ivy Walls on May 4, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

My 2 cents..
it's gotta be for more than just a low level prospect. Jones is a bona fide major league player like him or not. He is not on the verge of retirement. If you are going to dump him for a low level prospect, why not just DFA Ward and make Jones your pinch hitter off the bench?
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 3, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

When I say...
... "low-level prospect", I don't mean some miscellaneous roster filler, I mean someone GOOD who happens to be playing in the lower levels, say, high-A, with a high ceiling.

Without doing some research I couldn't tell you who this would be, but I know pitchers like that are out there.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 3, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That might be ok..
if Hendry could identify someone like that. After all, he's traded the likes of Willis, Nolasco, and Pinto for less..
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 3, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upton
Maybe the Diamondbacks would give us Justin Upton for him? Upton is in high A and is an excellent prospect.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 3, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way...
The Devil Rays have an abundance of OF, there's no reason for them to trade for JJ

by DTJchris on May 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're confused
with BJ Upton, who plays for the Rays.  His brother Justin plays in the Diamondbacks' organization.

Still, as has been pointed out, there is no way the D-Backs trade Justin Upton, a guy who was the #1 pick in the draft just two years ago, for Jacque Jones.  

by Josh Timmers on May 3, 2007 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops...
Whenever I think Upton (who's on many on my FLB teams) I think of the D-Rays...my bad

by DTJchris on May 3, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're giving up too much there...
...I'm sure Seattle would give us Felix Hernandez for him.

by seang03 on May 3, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upton
OK - I just threw that out there. I guess they probably wouldn't do it.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe
Jose Reyes if we throw in Cedeno

by DTJchris on May 3, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hindsight
Certainly in hindsight the Willis trade looks bad.  Wasn't that deal basically the Goblin, Willis, and another minor leaguer or two for Alfonsucka and Clement?  You could easily say Matty had the best stuff of anyone in that deal and his acquisition helped the Cubs get to the post season in 2003.  Of course, the downside is that the Cubs lost to the team he made the deal with, so that really makes it look bad.  If A.A. hadn't been complete garbage, that would have been a very good deal.  

by MHef08 @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 4, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The real problem
with the Willis deal was, once they traded him for Clement--who had a pretty good year for us--they decided not to sign him.  Of course, then he got hurt, but that really doesn't make the decision-making on this deal look much better.

by bleacher on May 4, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

True..
but the Pierre (for 1 year!) for 3 young pitchers was inexcuseable. Perfect example of why the Marlins can be good even after dumping talent and the Cubs stay bad.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 4, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like it either
Jones is, by far, the best right fielder on this team.  He is a dependable LEFT-HANDED HITTER who is good for 20 HRs and 70 plus RBIs.  And his contract is eminently affordable for the Cubs.  I would like to see the "permanent" outfield be Soriano, Pie and Jones/DeRosa from left to right.  
Orange balls! Hey, I'll have a box of those...give me a box of those naked lady tee's, and give me two of those..and give me six of those...!

by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Only if they get someone worth it
Jones is a hard-working, good player.  While he's not going to be a superstar, especially the last few games have shown that he certainly can be a valuable member of the Cubs.  While trading Jones would alleviate the bloated outfield situation, I think the Cubs should only trade him for a quality addition -- a strong 4th or 5th starter, for instance.  And maybe the trade could involve getting rid of Cedeno and Izturis?

by John Q Freejazz on May 3, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

the best trade I would do is
something like Jacque Jones for a Kyle Davies. A young, upcoming pitcher...other than that I don't want anything..

by Chanman25 on May 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Davies
There is zero way John Schuerholz will trade Kyle Davies for Jacque Jones.  The Braves love the potential of Davies.  
Orange balls! Hey, I'll have a box of those...give me a box of those naked lady tee's, and give me two of those..and give me six of those...!

by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly...
..i don't get why people want to get rid of Jones right away. Its not like he was Corey Patterson when he was hitting jack squat. He can actually come up clutch at times and deliver. As of right now, I really think Ward or Cedeno should get the boot. Have a platoon (yes I know they are both Lefties) of Jones and Pie in Center and Murton and Floyd in RF. Thats not a bad situation at all!

by Chanman25 on May 3, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prospective Interest???
  1. St. Louis?  Not going to trade in the division.
  2. Florida?  They can't afford the contract.
  3. Philadelphia?  Maybe.  Jon Leiber?  
  4. Atlanta?  Maybe.  But the contract is too rich.
  5. LA Dodgers?  Maybe.  Send Matt Kemp this way and we have a deal today.  
  6. Chicago White Sox?  Doubtful.  At least right now.
  7. Minnesota?  Thay won't want the contract.
  8. Texas?  Maybe.  
Orange balls! Hey, I'll have a box of those...give me a box of those naked lady tee's, and give me two of those..and give me six of those...!

by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

5 mil a year
aint to shabby, even for a small market team.  But I doubt the Twins would trade for someone they let go just 2 years ago.

by DTJchris on May 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would add
Oakland-  I don't think I like the idea of Hendry trading with Beane

and

LA/Anaheim/California-  Stoneman isn't exactly an active trading partner

Those are two teams with needs in the OF, though.

by davidalanu on May 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aww..
why not> He fleeced Beane by grabbing Freddie Bynum from him..:)
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 4, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oakland
The Cubs would have to eat the contract to get a deal done.  Billy would still probably flip him for more than Hendry got from the A's.  The Langerhans deals were an example of Billy being Billy.  The guy is an artist.

by MHef08 @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 4, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Contract?
5 million a year through 2008 is cheap in this market.  Even the Marlins could afford that.

by Josh Timmers on May 3, 2007 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not crazy about it
not enogh LH pop to be trading someone, and Jones in the best one defensively.

Why not see what we can get for Murton? That one will go over big!

If it looks like horseshit and smells like horseshit, it's probaby horseshit- Sparky Lyle

by tommy veryzer on May 3, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Murton
Trading Murton makes more sense than trading Pie in a lot of ways, especially because Jones gives us needed power from the left side and is a better fielder. Murton needs to find a new home. He's not thriving sitting on the bench.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on May 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hope to god your kidding about
jones being the "best one defensively"   sure he made one good throw this year, but he is nowhere near pie in terms of defense from what ive seen, and his arm is below the league average in terms of strength in my opinoin, if the deals there i say trade him

by CubsBall2202 on May 3, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree with that.
 If by "best defensively" he means best of Murton, Jones and Floyd. Then I would agree with that 100%

 As far as Jones' and his 10 hoppers to the cut off man, I've only see him do it once this year and actually has made some strong throws from RF.

"What's it all about? Booze, Broads and bullshit." Harry Caray

by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because...
  1. Matt Murton is arbitration eligable. Why is this important? Because we have guys like Lee, Soriano and Ramirez signed to backloaded deals. Players like Murton are essential to keeping any sort of payroll sanity with this team. Especially if we start paying Zambrano "Zambrano Money." (That's like Zito money, except more of it.)
  2. Murton has more trade value than Jones. Because -- see above -- he's arbitration-eligable. He's cheaper and he's under club control for more years. Teams are NOT looking to make deals of that size this early in the year.
And for all of you contending that Jones has value to this team -- that's absolutely right. That's why someone would offer you something of value for him.

by cwyers on May 3, 2007 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton only has
one full year of ml experience.  He won't be arbitration eligible until after the 2008 season, assuming he isn't shipped off to Iowa for a considerable stretch.

by davidalanu on May 3, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade anybody
for the right price, but Jones is a bona fide major league player who can hit about in the high middle average for an outfielder. He is relatively cheap for his production/cost. We're getting exactly what we are paying him. I say the deal has to knock our socks off, otherwise, he's a keeper.
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by mrcubsfan on May 3, 2007 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe this is
something JJ is requesting.
TheEman is jealous of my sigs.

by sue369 on May 3, 2007 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm sure the Cubs favorite dumping
ground, the Orioles, would take JJ.

He would be a upgrade from Jay Gibbons or >shudder< Freddie Bynum.

Go Cubs!

by Neifi Puppy on May 3, 2007 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

No way.
I'd still be very dubious of this "report".

JJ is one of TWO HR threats from the left side.

Floyd has been on the DL 10 times.

If he goes down (a liklihood) there would be no one else other than Iz-TURD-is and Pie. You see what you have there, particularly with the latter.

I would expect Pie to get sent down before this trade would happen.

We will see as the weeks go by.

More pressing is that Z is STILL NOT SIGNED past this year.

Al met John McDounugh and mum was still the word.

If he doesn't get signed, its gonna be a sad day. Hendry COULD HAVE taken care of this last season but rolled the dice too many times.

Who Exactly Is Adam Haluska, and Should We Care?

by TheEman on May 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait a minute.
We are hoping to have Soriano, Floyd, Pie in the OF with Murton, Pagan in the wings.

If Floyd goes down, we have PLENTY of help.  We don't need Jones.  In addition we have Daryle Ward for cheaper.

We don't need an expensive backup right now.  Send him along, and let's move on.

by nickler on May 4, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJ has more value...
...playing for the Cubs than he does on the market....keep him.
Give Z whatever he Please...NOW!

by southerncubbie on May 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Can someone tell me who plays RF?
It is suppossed to be hardest fielding position at Wrigley no way
either Murton or Jones can handle it so who does that leave DeRossa? Seriously who in the world would play RF if Jones is traded?
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 3, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Floyd
is a solid player, when allowed to play. He needs daily reps, though. And while Murton's not going to kill us defensively out there, his bat's awfully streaky.
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have GOT to be kidding
Floyd is bad fielder. If you count on him in RF you will surely have to stick poor Soriano in there which is a  bad idea. I watched for years here in NYC and he is getting worse. Nice bat and nice guy but DO NOT LET HIM be your right fielder.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 3, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whaddya want?
Five errors in his first year with the Mutts, and 2 a year there after. Not a gold glover, but not the worst we've seen here for sure. Quiz (and you already know the answer) - who has the least errors the last 5 years - Floyd, Juan Encarnacion, Shawn Green or Jeff Francoeur?
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 3, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

errors don't tell the story
In the Friday Wrigley game against the Cards he made an ill adviced dive for a ball that he should have let drop for a single ( best guess is that Jones , Soriano or Pie could all have CAUGHT the ball if they were in LF) it went passed him and the batter ended up on third with triple to lead off the 8th ( the wonderful Wuertz never let him score) In a box score it looks like a triple in reality it was a HORRIBLE play and this is what he does over and over. In LF he can hide it some in RF it would be a total joke.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 3, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

There aren't enough
fingers and toes on every contributor to this site to count how many times that has happened to almost any outfielder. Isolated incidents like that can be chalked up to aggressive play. In your own words, a botched play or two don't "tell the whole story".
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 4, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trust me I watched Floyd more than anyone here
He is a bad fielder. He could NEVER handle RF on a daily basis
He is more than worth having for his bat but he has to stay in LF
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on May 4, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh -
and the wonderful Wuertz (whom I do like, by the way, and think that he's our best middle reliever) gave up that HR in the top 9th the other day. Should we get rid of him, now, too?
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 4, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well......
...probably the guy who has been playing it - Floyd.

I think the Cubs have to deal someone in their outfield.  While I like them both, I'd trade Murton - he's younger, lower contract, and will possibly bring something back in return we could use.

JJones is valuable injury insurance for Floyd, and valuable "rookie slump" insurance for Pie.  Trade Murton, demote Cedeno, bring up Pagan and the 5th starter, and let's see what we have.

by Chadnudj on May 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds good
I hate the prospect of losing Murton because he has plate discipline and hits in the clutch.  I recognize JJ may have better power numbers by the end of the year, but his AWFUL in the clutch and has AWFUL plate discipline and CAN NEVER lay off the breaking ball in the dirt when down 2 strikes -- watch and call me prophetic (and don't say all MLBers cannot).  They know this about him and abuse with it routinely.

by utcubby on May 4, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

BLUE MIKE had a great point
Forget about Jones' weak defense - we'd be losing a valuable lefty bat. That said, I'd rather open a spot up here and work with Pie's bat than live with Jones' erratic defense. he can run and catch, but he still can't throw (that strike at the plate the other day aside).
"That wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth."

by lovejones72 on May 3, 2007 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd be sad to see JJ go...
...both because I like him as a player and because I think he still has value to this team.

When he first got here, I remember being a little annoyed by the cocky way he flung down his bat when he hit a home run. I've grown to dig it. That kinda sums up about how I feel about the man himself.

And I doubt somehow that Jacque is requesting a trade. He appears to be getting along with this teammates and has been playing pretty well the last few games.

"When we start hitting with a little more consistency, you'll see us start winning more baseball games." ~ Lou Piniella, 4/30/07

by daver on May 3, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Trade Murton
 He might be more attractive to other teams because he's younger and cheaper. Maybe some other GM would believe what 90% of Cub fans seem to think and that's with some ab's be productive and hit it out of the infield.

 Even though Pie's bat is a detriment to the lineup, his glove is in a less than average OF defense is needed on this team. Especially now that it seems that THeriot will find a way in the lineup everyday, you can afford Pie's weak stick down in the order.

The Cubs have 3 choices:

 * Send Pie down. I don't think that is going to happen.

 * Send Murton down or trade Murton

 * Trade Jones for a 5th starter. Somebody mentioned Lieber earlier and I would like that. I think that's a realistic option.

"What's it all about? Booze, Broads and bullshit." Harry Caray

by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Lieber a real rumor?
I love Jon and his family.  They lived near us when he played for the Cubs.

Used to see him and his kids when I walked the dog.  Wouldn't call them friends we hardly knew them but they are nice people.

If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Migh have some legs
 Not the first time I've heard Lieber as a possible trade candidate. On the surface it would make sense. Both I believe would have the power to veto any trade and both I don't think would use that power in this trade. If JJ thought Cub fans are too hard on him, he'd be in for a rude awakening in Philly.

 Oakland could be a possibility too, with all their injuries and JJ's contract would be doable for the A's. Who the Cubs would get in return from the A's is anybody's guess though.

"What's it all about? Booze, Broads and bullshit." Harry Caray

by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The A's...
...would give us a fifth starter. Just as soon as they can pack up enough used baseballs to get Jerome Williams from the Nats to send him to us.

Do not meddle in the affairs of Beane, for they are subtle and quick to plunder your minor league affiliates. I'd rather Hendry traded with a GM who is less of a shark. (I can't wait to see what Hendry gets us from Baltimore in exchange for Wade Miller, for example. It'll happen!)

by cwyers on May 3, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just wanted to say
I love the LOTR reference equating Billy Beane to Wizards.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on May 3, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love to see him come back.
Ive never had an athlete anywhere live near me that i know out here Medinah.  There was this guy i saw at the driving range that could drive the ball like 400+ that was practicing for a driving contest in Las Vegas...  He lives here in Medinah...
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on May 3, 2007 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cliff Floyd also...
...made a pretty spectacular catch in yesterday's game. (Or was it the game before? All these victories blur together.) FWIW.
"When we start hitting with a little more consistency, you'll see us start winning more baseball games." ~ Lou Piniella, 4/30/07

by daver on May 3, 2007 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

The only qualm I have about Jones
The biggest worry about trading Jones is Cliff's injury history.

If Cliff can stay healthy I think this could be one of the best moves Hendry has made so far.

This guy can flat out hit.

If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder
what the backup plan is for CF is they trade Jones?  Who plays there if/when Pie isn't playing?  Soriano maybe, or Murton if they think he can handle it, or Theriot?  Seems like Soriano is pretty well entrenched in LF, Murton doesn't seem to have the reputation, experience, confidence that the Cubs would trust in center, and Theriot might be the starting shortstop and doesn't have experience in center either.

Plus we'd be turning over RF to Floyd, which is a defensive downgrade from Jones.

Doesn't seem to make much sense trading Jones now.  Why sign Cliff Floyd in the first place if you are looking to get rid of a semi-productive left handed bat who is marginal defensively and has limitations to his game?  Jones may not quite be Floyd's equal offensively but he gives us much more flexibility defensively.

The problem could be solved by letting go of Ward.  That frees up the roster spot.  We don't get anything in return but we also don't weaken the outfield defense, and I doubt any starter we get back would be much more effective than Guzman or someone else who's already in the organization.  

Jones isn't great but he's solid enough.  I love prospects but this team can win now and given the way this team is configured Jones can contribute as much or more than just about anyone we could get back in trade.

by pageian on May 3, 2007 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

If the Cubs did trade Jones....
....I'm sure they would replace his roster spot by bringing up Pagan.
"What's it all about? Booze, Broads and bullshit." Harry Caray

by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love these type of articles
Jayson Stark has never been right about the Cubs.  For example guaranteeing Joe Girardi was the next manager on ESPN.

So if the Cubs trade Jones he can claim he had a scoop.

If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on May 3, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

i hope jones stays
especially since he is rolling right now.
I don't care about a world series, just be competitive thru September.

by buckmulligan on May 3, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Trade Rumors
I'm not thrilled by the idea of trading Jacque Jones and getting little or nothing back. I'd rather see us release Ward or trade Izturis or Cedeno, although Cedeno may turn out to be a very solid shortstop for somebody in a year or two. Also, it seems like we already have our 2007 5th starter in Sean Marshall, as soon as he gets done rehabbing in triple A. If Marshal succeeds, we have 3 lefty starters, an almost unique situation for the Cubs.  If not, Guzman may yet rebound or Marmol could be ready soon. This is an organization with some depth available in pitching, so let's not get frantic to fill that #5 spot.

We need to hang on to potential trade bait until we see what we need down the road in July and then be able to get it. There's no way to figure who will get hurt or ineffective in the next few weeks, but it's a fair bet somebody will succumb and there will be a gap to fill.

Here's hoping we keep Pie right where he's at. The bat seems to be coming around, the fielding is a revelation, and with two strong arms (Pie and Soriano)in the outfield, this team is much tighter defensively.

Looks like we're getting ready for a fun ride this season. Milwaukee will come back to the pack and we're a good bet to lead that pack into September.

by Mordecai Brown on May 3, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Daryl Ward...
...has a .529 OBP. For what he is, he's doing his job. He's a left-handed bat with some pop off the bench that won't become a clubhouse cancer if you let him rot on the bench for weeks at a time. He's a useful weapon for the Cubs; I'd hate to see him discarded too hastily.

Meanwhile, I seriously think you misunderstand trading. Teams trade to address needs. There is no team out there looking for a shortstop who can bat .190 and committ 5 errors a month. Any plan to trade the Wizard of Iz relies on a false appreciation on how much used baseballs are worth in the eBay age.

by cwyers on May 3, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re
The problem with Ward is that he's not getting paid to take walks, and once on, he causes Lou to burn another player since Ward needs a scooter to get around.

It's becoming a no-brainer for opposition managers.  Walk Ward, force the Cubs to use a pinch runner, and pitch to someone like Neifi.  At a minimum, the Cubs need a bench player who can play first, PH, and actually run for himself.  That doesn't seem like so much to ask.

by Jed Taylor on May 3, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here was my opinion of Ward on 4/20
 
and it hasn't changed:
It's not even so much for the fact that he sucks either it's the fact that like MANY of us have been saying for a while now, he is so 1 dimensional (PH against RHers only) he handicaps this team which is carrying 12 pitchers. Even if his overweight frame of a butt, get's a hit, more than likely have to PR for him, especially if it's a close game. Then you suck out another spot and eliminate a possible PHer.

 Then, in a situation that will occur probably more than 50% of the time (especially with a depleted bench) when it's late in the game, most teams will have a Lefty warming up in the pen and when Ward is announced, the opposing team will call on the Lefty and then Piniella, because Ward is so bad against Lefties, will have to burn another one of those precious bench players and PH for Ward.

 If there is one roster move that HAS got to be made, ASAP, it's Ward needs to be DFA'd. He just does not fit on this team.

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by lemon17pie on May 3, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The one positive on Ward....
is that he is one of the few guys on the roster who is willing to take a walk.  He has walked more in his limited at-bats off the bench than most of the guys who have played every day, with the possible exception on Theriot.  The negatives still outweight the positives, I agree, but that is one thing Ward seems to have done fairly well.
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by ctcoff99 on May 3, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

About dealing with the A's...
... they may be looking for a DH-type now that Piazza is out.

Ward would be just about right for that, and since he draws walks, Billy Beane might be interested.

That way, you could actually get something for him.

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by Al Yellon on May 4, 2007 3:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

A's just traded
for Jack Cust. Yes, I know.

I'm not saying they're not interested in Ward, though I doubt it, just that he isn't going to bring you back much more than just cash.

visiting A's fan.

by rfloh @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on May 4, 2007 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agree Jed..
Seems like everytime Ward has pinch hit in a big situation, he has been walked intentionally.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on May 4, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re
Baseball is a game of adjustments, and it's time to adjust regarding how the Cubs OF shakes out.

Coming into the season, the big debate was about how LF would be manned.  That's now a moot question.  Soriano has emerged as the answer, and he's going to play every game he's physically able to there.  That leaves center and right.

CF has been turned over to Pie.  Perhaps it was a bit too soon, but once it was decided Soriano had to move, Pie is, barring a significant trade that's unlikely to happen, the best option.  He will need, however, time on the bench as well as on the field, so the Cubs need someone who can spell him.  That someone is clearly Jones, the only person on the roster who can competently play there.

So, even if one believes Jones' bat isn't as good as Floyd's or Murton's (it's not, but the differences aren't significant), and his arm is a noodle, he's a much-needed LH bat who does go get tough balls tailing away in right.  Floyd can barely move.  And while Murton could be passable, he's a RH bat who seems to need to play regularly to put up his good offensive numbers.

Result?  Murton needs to go to AAA to get him his needed playing time and keep him ready for when he's needed.  Jones needs to stay and play RF/CF.  Ward needs to be dumped in favor of a speedy defensive OF replacement.  And Floyd needs to become the part-time RF and power PH.

It's not a perfect solution, but it's the best use of the current roster and what each player can do.  Trading Jacque Jones would create more problems than it would solve.

by Jed Taylor on May 3, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I like Jones....
but given our plethora of quality outfielders, I would part with him for another starting pitcher, or a reliable left-handed bullpen arm, which, quite frankly, we do not have right now.
Here's why:

You have to play Soriano.  Period.  That's one outfield spot.  If Pie is going to remain on the big league roster, then you have to play him every day, because he will never improve offensively coming off the bench and he plays a rock- star center field.  That's two outfield spots.  That leaves Murton and Floyd to platoon in right field, and I'm happy with either one of these guys in the lineup.  I realize that Floyd is injury-prone and if he goes down at some point this year as he usually does, he will really miss JJ.  It's risky.  But you can't possibly get at-bats for three additional outfielders if you keep Pie.  

As much as I would hate to see him go, if it came down to trading Murton instead of Jones for a starting pitcher or a left-handed bullpen guy, I would do that also.  

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on May 3, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

And even if Floyd does go down.....
you still have Theriot and/or DeRosa who can fill in as an outfielder in a pinch.  If it gets us some more pitching help, this is one we have to do.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on May 3, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do NOT have to
play Pie every day! Why?

"then you have to play him every day"

He is a total young rook - you think Cox, Leyland, LaRussa, et. al. would just give him CF when there is a decent LH hitter who hit 27 hrs last year, and who can play CF to an average level?

What's the hurry? The Cubs will owe him $13MM as well - or something like that.

As I've said 50 times here - I would think with the current make-up of the team - I'm fine with him going back to AAA until/if something happens to Floyd - OR using him as a spot starter/defensive whiz in late innings, thereby moving JJ to RF.

It is unlikely that Jones will be traded anytime soon unless something really mutually beneficial comes up.  

Who Exactly Is Adam Haluska, and Should We Care?

by TheEman on May 3, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

murton or jones
Sounds funny to say it since I've been a fan of orange guy and don't love JJ, but if we're trying to win this year, trading Murton may make more sense. He's less versatile, and uncomfortable coming off the bench. JJ can play center, and seems pretty good as a PH and on those days Floyd is resting or when he gets hurt again. Murton is cheaper and has some upside, so people may want him maybe?

by BJ on May 3, 2007 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

More I think about it, the more this rumor sucks
I like Jayson Stark.  But as someone pointed out previously, he rarely is right when it comes to rumors.  Or anything having to do with the Cubs.  Seems to be a case of Stark examining the Cub roster and trying to put 2 and 2 together in order to fill his sports column.  

And, it is no coincidence that the Cubs have been playing much improved ball ever since Alfonso Soriano became the permanent left fielder and Felix Pie started patrolling center field.  

Again, if it were up to me, I'd keep Jacque Jones and platoon him with Mark DeRosa in right field.  DeRosa can split time with Ryan Theriot at 2nd base on those days when Theriot isn't playing shortstop or taking a day off.  All three guys get significant playing time.  Cesar Izturis winds up getting decent playing time.  

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by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Izturis is a waste of roster space
and should be dfa'd asap
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by Faith plus 1 on May 3, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Admit it
You've been chomping at the bit all day to zing me on Cesar Izturis.  I'll give you Izturis, and raise you a Matt Mr. Non-Spectacular Murton !
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by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

i could care less
what happens with Murton. I,  without equivilance, cannot stand Cesar Izturis and Ronny Cedeno. I hate the both of them.

No one ever called Murton spectacular, he's not, he's a decent bat though. Whether you want to admit it or not.

Now, here's the part where you come back with some childish claim/immature bashing without an substantial evidence, or that which would actually support your point.

Now then, lets have it.

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by Faith plus 1 on May 3, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah
Well let me just say to you Faith Plus One or whatever your name is that Ronny Cedeno does indeed suck.  In fact, he sucks to such a level so as to make Jose Macias seem like Orlando Cepada.  And Faithinator, let me also say, unequivocally, than Cesar Izturis has played as though he is smoking a big Bob Marley joint in between innings every game.  His defense has been inconsistent (though his range remains dandy indeed) and his bat missing in action.  
Evidently, Kerry Wood has entered the Witness Relocation Program. Picture of him is on my milk carton.

by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what you just said
but I think he finally agree on something, and for that I'm glad.

FWIW, Izturis doesnt' have much of a bat to begin with though.

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by Faith plus 1 on May 3, 2007 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

BS
This is ridiculous. JJ is a respectable CF and RF. This team has actually started looking like a respectable organization the last week or so, this would be a stupid move. With Jones and Pie on the roster, two lefthanders, we have the ability to something called DEFENSIVE substitution with a left handed batter in late innings. Watching Lou bring in Pie in the late innings, shifting JJ to right is like spanish fly. Real ball clubs have been doing this for years and it has been a whisper around Wrigley for a while, and now it is here. Making decisions with the lineup because you want to rather than because you have to is amazing to see.

The answer is Murton. It is a sad thing to see the guy who led this team in OPS and BA last season, riding the pine. Hendry made moves this season that were silly. DeRosa, rather than trusting Theriot. Cliffy, rather than trusting Murton or JJ. Yes we have far too many outfielders, and we will eventually need a 5th starter. Unless we want to be down one infielder, if you can call Cedeno an infielder, you send Big Red to Iowa and let him hit every single day. If/When Floyd gets hurt, he comes up. It is the only way.

With Cliffy in the lineup against power rightys, we are at least competitive

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If we choose Murton over Jones. We will be screwed over by other teams bull pens, and we will see a lot more D Ward off the bench as a lefty. Anyone want that?

by louslovechild on May 3, 2007 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Well
Mark DeRosa has been a good addition to this ballclub.  He plays a good 2nd base and can hit.  Some of you guys fixate on one argument, and that is "...blah blah is young, and CHEAP!"  Who cares if someone is young and cheap.  Question is, are they any good.  I don't blame Hendry one bit for hedging his bet on Ryan Theriot.  After all we are talking about a 27 year old that wasn't exactly viewed as a quality major league prospect a short while ago.  The Cubs are a big revenue team, and therefore have the ability to add a DeRosa or Jones type to hedge bets and improve depth to make for a better overall ballclub.  

Theriot seems to be working out nicely (although he IS NOT an everyday shortstop).  That's great news.  Play Theriot at shortstop and 2nd base in complement to Cesar Izturis and DeRosa.  Then make DeRosa the right-handed hitting platoon partner of Jacque Jones and Cliff Floyd in right field.

Evidently, Kerry Wood has entered the Witness Relocation Program. Picture of him is on my milk carton.

by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK.....
I agree on all counts. You never once mentioned Murton, so I am gathering that you agree he needs his at bats in Iowa. Yes?

Before I get going on the need to release or DFA Daryl Ward or anything like that, what are the rules on making moves of that sort this early?

As far as Lieber is concerned, the Phils' pitching looks atrocious. Garcia is not looking good and has had arm problems. Brett Meyers is in the bullpen and Tom Gordon is staring at the DL or retirement. Giving up Lieber for outfielder who hits .280 and may or may not hit 20 -25 home runs is not what they need. They have Pat Burrell for that.

by louslovechild on May 3, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moral of the story?
We are all getting carried away with a rumor that has no merit.  And we are all convinced that a position player shall get whacked just as soon as Sweet Lou identifies somebody at Triple A or elsewhere to be his new 5th starter.  Well, I have a real hard time believing Jacque Jones is going anywhere, at least for the time being.  And, although Lou says he wants 12 pitchers, lets see what really happens in the next week.  Maybe the problem gets solved by moving Neal Cotts to the starting rotation (a notion I brought up all the way back when he was acquired).  Or maybe Wil Ohlman goes on the DL with a Wade Milleresqe fake injury.  Though I truthfully don't think much of Matt Murton's ability, I think his job security is in better shape than most have convinced themselves.  
Evidently, Kerry Wood has entered the Witness Relocation Program. Picture of him is on my milk carton.

by BlueMike on May 3, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It depends on what we get, but still...
...Jones has been the guy on the blocks since Pie was going to remain.  Jones actually has value to other clubs, too...I have no problem with Jones/Floyd/Murton remaining on this team, but if Hendry can improve the team by packaging Jones and Eyre then by all means get it done.

by DudeVf11 on May 4, 2007 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The names you're looking for...
are Yunel Escobar and Brent Lillibridge. The Braves could probably use a lefty corner OF'er in a platoon (although they may be hoping Willie Harris can fill that role) and that's exactly what Jones is. Personally i'd prefer Lillibridge but i'd take either.

The contract won't be an issue because its not overpriced in the current market like it was last year at this time.

You throw in a reliever if you have to, but if you're the GM of the Cubs you should try to make a deal for one of the Braves SS's.

The other option would be to work out a similar deal with the Angels, who also have a ton of organizational SS depth but could use another bat. Jones and a mid-level prospect for Erick Aybar may make sense for both teams.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on May 4, 2007 1:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Depth and uncertainty...
Watch, we'll move Jones and then one of the other outfielders will get hurt and will be in a quagmire in the outfield. Just imagine if Floyd goes down after a possible Jones trade, then the Cub power goes from Righty centric to completely right-handed.

by cubby23 on May 4, 2007 7:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I have mixed emotions
about this trade.  I like Jacque.  But, we also need to get Pie in the lineup every day.  As long as we fill a hole that desperately needs to be filled with somebody of value, we probably have to pull the trigger.

by jshipp on May 4, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I think

this OF situation will all work out in a few weeks.  Someone will get hurt.  Come on, this is the Cubs we're talking about.

by salparadise23 on May 4, 2007 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

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