Things That Are More Fun Than Last Night's Game
The Marlins beat the Cubs last night 9-0.
That's really all that can be said about the game. It's almost as if the Cubs didn't even show up. They had only five hits and a walk, and even though I said to Howard after Dan Uggla's first inning HR, "One run won't win this game!", clearly, that was wrong. Uggla had another HR later, and just for information's sake, no player whose name begins with U has ever had a three-HR game. Might as well have, I suppose.
Multiple meetings yesterday, some involving players, some involving management, accomplished nothing -- at least, not in the moment, as the performance last night was the worst so far this year. So with that in mind, here's a list of some things that might be more fun than watching last night's game was:
- watching paint dry
- being caught in rush hour traffic
- having a colonoscopy
- having a root canal
- having an enema
- Reading through the "Official Things That Suck List"
- thinking about the White Sox winning the World Series again
- thinking about the Cardinals winning the World Series again
- spending several weeks arguing with Comcast customer service trying to get my new digital boxes installed
- (Note! Sarcasm coming!) spending time, as we did last night in the bleachers, "lamenting" the great triumphs of the Dusty Baker era, the Tom Trebelhorn era, the Jim Essian era
But this team had better start playing up to its potential -- NOW -- if this is to happen.
Finally, here's what the Alfonso Soriano bobblehead handed out last night looks like:

It doesn't really look like him, does it? We were trying to figure out who it does look like. Some of the suggestions included Sammy Sosa and Ernie Banks.
But we figured it out. Click here. (But don't stay there too long, your monitor might crack.)
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He should be
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or they could've had him
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should put Soriano on the DL
by SyneRandberg on May 31, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
by danimal15 on May 31, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We've been over this before.
Next topic, please.
by Al on May 31, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can forget......
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
by danimal15 on May 31, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BECAUSE
by IOWACUBSFAN on May 31, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw trash on the field like last year?
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No!
by NO100 on May 31, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: No!
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking out loud
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paying good money......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would only give them an excuse...
by lairdude on May 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been for trash throwing
by wheatfield mike on May 31, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't disrespect Wrigley
Let's not become "those fans" --
by This is our year on May 31, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soapbox time
Should they be criticized for being more loyal than the rest of us? IMO, they should be admired, and when the victory comes, they will savor it best. It will come, you know. It will.
by shop girl on May 31, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely said.
by sue369 on May 31, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
I just hope I get to 'savor' it in my lifetime ;)
by cubsgirl2 on Jun 1, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boycott?
by This is our year on May 31, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm pretty sure..
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't blow it up.....
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Make no mistake..
The difference between firing him now and firing him in the offseason (or in the last 1/3 of this season) is so miniscule that it's really not worth it. Whoever his replacement wouldn't be able to make an impact this season because he will be stuck with Hendry's $300 million moves.
by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With an ownership change on the horizon
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%..
by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.600 baseball?
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Ok..
by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree....
This is the same type of arguement we heard last year about Dusty. The time is now. Hendry has to go.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attachment?
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cold dogs?
by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to say make changes but what?
Mark DeRosa - Not with that contract.
Michael Barrett - OK, trade him for a bullpen pitcher that's probably not that much better than Wuertz or Guzman. Do you really want to see Henry Blanco hit .200 or less for 3/4 of the season.
Cesar Izturis - How much do you really think you'll get? Hendry gambled that he was over the injuries. He might be but he's not very good. He might get a grade B/C prospect. See Neifi and that was only done because the Tigers were desperate. Who's desperate for Cesar right now?
Jacque Jones - I suspect he is on the market. He's not likely to be traded until closer to the deadline. He might draw a grade B prospect plus maybe a lower grade one assuming he starts hitting.
Howry/Eyre - I'm sure you could trade them for someone else's bullpen fodder but what will that do?
Zambrano - Even if Hendry wants to move him, I doubt you'll see the Cubs get a grade A prospect. Teams have not been trading top prospects for rent-a-players. See Soriano last year. Z would draw several mid-range prospects but I have a feeling a lot of people will be disappointed in what he would bring back.
Bottom-line, I don't see how the Cubs can trade themselves to a better team this year. If they definitely decide they are out of it, they could move a few players but don't expect a windfall of prospects in return.
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right.......
With that said, IMHO, a shake up may wake this club up. Start with the man on the top of this mess.
Also, if you are looking to make changes, do you trust Hendry to do the right thing?
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've forgotten
One could argue the beggining of Hendry's tenure has been better than.....this half.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, let's not forget
Traded Julian Tavarez, Ryan Jorgensen, Dontrelle Willis, and Jose Cueto (minors) to the Florida Marlins. Received Antonio Alfonseca and Matt Clement.
And there are these deals:
Dave Noyce and Gary Johnson to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Damian Miller.
Hee Seop Choi and Mike Nannini for Derrick Lee.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry will have a babysitter
Piniella seemed pretty loose after the game last night, and that tells me he got some things off his chest to relieve the tension. I'll guarantee, he didn't tell Hendry he has the right mix of players, but I wouldn't expect them to let that leak out.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out waiting until the trade deadline is not an option with this club. By that time, they could be 11-12 games out. I think you will see internal changes with Pie coming back up, Jones getting benched and Blanco getting more playing time (probably half the games). If they are within 5-6 games at the deadline, then you look at making deals.
by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
- How are you gonna move them all in the middle of the season?
- Even if you miraculously do, how will that make you a better team in 2007?
As I've typed here before, the big long-term plan should be this:
Keep Lee, Ramirez, and Soriano (only because it's impossible to move $136 mil). And keep Pagan and Theriot. Call up Pie permanently.
Replace everyone else in the line-up and on the bench with young players playing on league minimum contracts. I gaurantee you'll see better baseball played by rookies determined to prove their worth than the overpaid veterans we have.
Maybe keep Floyd for his left-handed bat. That's it. Anyone else would just be corrupting our young players with dumb baseball.
It'll take all the way till opening day 2008 to nearly complete this transformation.
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
We have to (as an organization) start relying on our farm system more (like the Braves and D-Backs do) and just take our lumps for a couple of years, if the end result can be a team built from the bottom up, very young and inexpensive, with the same output as the "griseled vets" but with a far higher upside.
In this day of high-priced (low-output) free agents and inconsistent vets, building the team from the farm system up, is the only way to go.
I'm willing to wait a couple of years!
by CubFanSince1970 on May 31, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But ...
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 31, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Response
Barrett: Do I'd rather see Blanco catch the rest of the season? Yes, if we get good players in exchange for Barrett.
Izturis: Whoever gets Jones should be forced to get him too. If the teams can split the salaries, it's a good trade.
Jones: The Cubs will get something in return.
Howry, Eyre: Probably keep. Decide based on career numbers, not season numbers. If you want to rattle the team, there are two good candidates to fire now!
Zambrano: Definitely sign, don't trade. Don't create a new hole in the rotation. Again, look at his career, not at this season's numbers alone.
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
I also don't think you'll be seeing many good players in return for Barrett. He's a defensively challenged catcher who isn't having a good season. He's not that attractive as a DH either. He would draw some interest but not that much.
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever you can get
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot and Patterson...
by cwyers on May 31, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much $$ invested
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they can trade to themselves?
by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of Zambrano and maybe Barrett..
by Jerry Mumphrey on May 31, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had me fooled
Do you really think the Iowa contingent will save this year?
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to lose
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new owners
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's not much more to say
I'm so mad at myself for falling into the same old traps. "The bullpen will be outstanding"..."Soriano is a superstar who will get us over the top"..."No more Dusty polluting and fouling up things"
Jim Hendry needs to get off his bar stool, walk into John McDonough's office and submit his resignation. If the man has any shred of professional dignity he will do this. He has been handed everything a General Manager could want in order to build a winning franchise. Everything. And he has utterly failed. And he has utterly failed multiple times.
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey,
Mind-boggling.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take it to another level
Now, we can keep saying it's not quite that bad, or it was bad luck and so on, but the bottom line is this - Hendry runs the whole show - scouting, farm system, trades, FA signings etc. And, most importantly, he fills out the roster and at this point, he is 100% accountable for what is going on with this team.
To make matters worse, a new GM is going to have a tremendous amount of work to do to clean up this mess, and I would not expect things to be in order, for a couple years from the time they actually step in.
by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As bad as I felt about Hendry before...
by Orangeman94 on May 31, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team has nothing...
At this rate, the Cardinals will probably end up figuring things out and end up right back at the top, just like every other frickin' year. I almost hope the Brewers hang on -- at least that would be a change of pace.
And I agree: The only glimmer of hope I see right now in the long term is that another disastrous season will surely mean the end of Hendry's tenure. Then maybe -- MAYBE -- the Cubs can hire a GM with some respect for statistical research, who can build a balanced, competitive team instead of desperately grasping at aging free agents to make an impact.
I don't give a rat's ass about the World Series. I just want a team that doesn't make me feel like crap all summerlong.
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of it, Daver--
I think I predicted a 77 or 78 win 2007. That might have been an overly hopeful mark.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on May 31, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: I agree with most of it, Daver--
The Pirates are six games under .500 and in second place? The Astros have lost ten games in a row?! The Reds are 12 games under .500?!!
What a frickin' joke. I'm tellin' ya...all the Brewers have to do is win a game every now and then and they'll make the playoffs easily. I doubt they'll get very far once they get there, but, hey, enjoy.
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou needs to get fired up
I live with a Florida Marlin fan (yea, I had no idea they existed, either) and the last few days have been worse than 2003. Something has to give.
by NotreDameCubbie on May 31, 2007 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call..
The Cubs need a spark, so why not Lou provide it?
by Will23 on May 31, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those days are over
by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou can't right the ship
by coral on May 31, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Lou can't right the ship
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam-ar-dja...however it's spelled
by rbarnold on May 31, 2007 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's because he's stinking it up......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things will never change with fans like Al
by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've never complained about booing.
Throwing garbage on the field is inappropriate.
I've hardly "waxed poetic" about the bad performance of the last week. Or did you actually read my posts?
by Al on May 31, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must have you confused with
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one
by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one that describes any offense this team
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course, I 'insulted'
Should I have booed him instead of saying "You Stink?" (not "suck.")
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing garbage on the field
by tommy veryzer on May 31, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classy?
by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah- that is out of bounds
by tommy veryzer on May 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We All Want To Do Something
by Luigi on May 31, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost June and..
by wicubfan on May 31, 2007 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seeing how Hendry let Baker hang on till the...
by Jerry Mumphrey on May 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of:
Seeing batters hit for outs after looking at only one or no pitches.
Watching runners steal bases on the catcher.
Seeing the catcher's brain freeze.
Watching Soriano swinging at sliders.
Seeing J. Jones miss the cut-off man.
Watching zeros on the scoreboard after the 5th inning.
The bullpen.
Fly balls hit in front of the wall and not over it. Actually, I'm tired of watching fly balls, period.
Attempts to steal 3rd base. They usually fail.
Runners always caught in the middle. They brought a AAA coach to address this situation and of course, he couldn't fix it. Where do you think these players learned how not to do it in the first place?
In summary, I'm tired of lack of fundamentals. I don't know if its the Dusty legacy or if these players have been this way always. Whatever it is, management needs to shake this team up by firing a prominent player who isn't performing. They need to do it now or it will be too late. Just pick a player with little trading value. Show the team that you're not waiting to get someone in a future trade. Don't give the player the hope of coming back. Let him see the consequences of his bad performance now. His teammates will surely notice. Shape up or ship out! Now!
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me up, I've had enough
So I'm done scanning the bottom line for updates on their division rival's games. No more scheduling my week around their TV appearances. I'll check back with this site every now and then to see when and if the team makes any kind of moves to try to right this sinking ship and I'll probably be watching the televised draft to see who they select, but I will no longer sweat the losses as they pile up - there's just no point.
I will be visiting Wrigley in August to catch a few games of their series against the Mets that month, however. Before the shouts of "Lemming!" start up, I should mention that I picked those dates because they correspond with my best friend's (who loves the Mets) birthday. I just wouldn't feel right about calling him to cancel because I need to teach John McDonough a lesson.
At least I'll get to see one good ballclub play that weekend.
by jasoniniowa on May 31, 2007 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Hank White...
All of our collective fears of the "fly-ball pitcher" Ted Lilly at warm, windy Wrigley Field came true in that first inning. What a nightmare.
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right
For those suggesting we make him our starter and our team will be fixed, re-examine your thinking. This team has got a plethora of worm holes. We can all assign priorities based upon our observations but I fear we're stuck with what we have until a new owner is chosen along with, hopefully, a new GM.
by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talent?
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aram is now a better then average 3B
But don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from...
by lilkimmer77 on May 31, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you
I've watched almost every game this season, so I don't think I need to take another look. I just fundamentally disagree that this team has all this great talent. They are what they are, which is not a very good baseball team.
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief
One of the reasons why the Cubs continue to suck is because they don't emphasize defense. This team has defensive liabilities all over the field. And it's a big fundamental problem.
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez is NOT above average
And in another very hidden stat, Ramirez' involvement in DP's is extremely low compared to other 3rd baseman. Check these numbers out:
Garrett Atkins: 1381 innings, 36 DP's
Miguel Cabrera: 1334 innings, 33 DP's
Scott Rolen: 1215 innings, 32 DP's
David Wright: 1365 innings, 31 DP's
Wilson Betimet: 602 innings, 18 DP's
Edwin Encarnacion: 931 innings, 17 DP's
Aramis Ramirez: 1353 innings, 17 DP's
Considering the number of baserunners the Cubs had last year, that is a startling number. This says to me that he takes too long to get rid of the ball as he is last for all starters in this category too. Betimet even has more in less than half the innings.
His fielding percentage is close to the top but I think that is in part due to the fact that he usually only makes the plays right at him which are easier.
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course his involvement in DPs is low
For every stat out there, there's another one that counter-acts it.
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does that counteract that?
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Ram was involved in over 30 DPs a year in Pit.
Now... what's the problem. 3B? Or the Cubs revolving door in the middle infield? You tell me.
2B used since 2003:
MGrudzielan
RMartinez
TWomack (tour #1)
AOjeda
BHill
JHernandez
TWalker
JMacias
DJackson
NPerez
JHairston
EWilson
RTheriot
RCedeno
FBynum
TWomack (tour #2)
MDeRosa
MFontenot
ASoriano (1 inning)
SS used since 2003:
AGonzalez
RMartinez
AOjeda
JHernandez
TWomack
NGarciaparr
ROrdonez
NPerez
RCedeno
EWilson
JHairston
CIzturis
NPerez
RTheriot
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is a good point
Beyond the stats, I can see when I watch the games. Watch how many times Ramirez will go to his right behind 3rd, glove the ball and throw the runner out. Just make sure you go the bathroom before you start watching, it might be a long time ;-)
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: double plays
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember how painfull it was to watch
Then, to make matters worse... we didn't have D-Lee there to catch all their errant throws. We also tried Neifi Perez at 2B (when he wasn't hugging Dusty's ball sack), "We just need Freddie back" Bynum, and we even signed Tony friggin Womack... all before finally giving Ryan Theriot a shot. Fucking brilliant.
Then, after Theriot succeeds, we sign DeRosa for $13 mil to cock block him. Again, fucking brilliant.
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pitching staff also has alot to do with it..
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How soon they forget
the revolving turnstile of 3rd baseman over the course of 30+ years before ARam. No thanks, I don't want to go back to that.
You can cherry pick all the stats you want, but the fact is he has only 2 errors this, and his defense is greatly improved since he joined the Cubs.
I don't know why Cubs fans like to give him so much grief on this board. He's one of the good ones. We have a whole roster full of bums, why not go after them?
by salparadise23 on May 31, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are blind
Tom Tippett at DMB who does a lot more research than any of you rated him as poor in range last year. That's the bottom of 5 ratings. Watch Rolen or Wright if you want to see an above average 3rd baseman. Watch immobile Ramirez if you want to see a below average one. Note I never said trade him or the 30 years of revolving 3rd baseman was better than Ramirez.
See you later. This isn't worth my time arguing.
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His range may not be good
He holds his own out there. No one's going to say he's the best fielding 3b but he's definitely above average.
by Wreckard on May 31, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a really, really terrible stat to use
You might as well use Errors if you're going to cherry pick some terrible stat for fielding. Consequently you have some really terrible-fielding 3b on that list.
Obviously there's no great way to judge fielding, but if you go by FRAR (much, much better to use than, say, double plays or BlueMike's astute scouting abilities) here's how he stacks up to some of the players you mentioned:
2006 FRAR
Ramirez: 11
Edwin Encarnacion: 3
Atkins: 1
Betemit: 0
Rolen: 24
Wright: 23
Cabrera: 15
And here's some more guys just to give the list some more context:
A-Rod: -1 (!)
Feliz: 24
Bautista: 11
Lowell: 4
Chipper Jones: -3
Beltre: 26
Mora: -4
Glaus: 18
Chavez: 30 (!!!)
So Ramirez is pretty above average. Hardly what I'd call terrible.
Chavez is just a wiz, I knew he was considered the best in the biz but when you see just how many runs that's worth it's pretty incredible. And I knew A-Rod had a bad year defensively last year, but seeing that -1 really puts it in perspective.
by Wreckard on May 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I just say...
by Orangeman94 on May 31, 2007 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree that DP's are a bad indicator
From BP: In the all-time adjustments, an average catcher is set to 39 runs above replacement per 162 games, first base to 10, second to 29, third to 22, short to 33, center field to 24, left and right to 14.
In any case, I'm done arguing this. If people want to give Ramirez a Gold Glove, go ahead.
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
22 is the all-time average
He has a FRAA of 7. Firmly above average.
by Wreckard on May 31, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love when
by cubsbak on Jun 1, 2007 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only three positions are set
3B
1B
All other positions are filled now by under-average players.
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's an under .500 team
by Fraggin Judge on May 31, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a hockey player and die-hard Cubs fan,
It should be very interesting to see what happens with the squad within the next few weeks. Not only are there continuous shake-ups/meetings going on, but we also have a vital series with the Brew Crew coming up relatively soon. Not to mention, a pretty good Braves team.
At least it's a new month.
by lilkimmer77 on May 31, 2007 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have to admit
I can't get into either team, as much as I love the game. And, on Vs. it's out-of-sight-out-of-mind. I've actually forgotten the games are on.
The only good thing I can say about Vs. is due to their low/no budget for the NHL, they've carried the CBC-TV state-of-the-art hockey coverage as 'bonus coverage.' What a difference.
And, why did NBC save it's best coverage for the useless All-Star game? That game featured the best production values I've ever seen for US hockey coverage -- cameras were positioned atop the glass, rolling back and forth gave an incredible angle of the game - that would help people that find it hard to follow the puck. That's been non-existent in the regular season.
The NHL must get back on a 'real' cable channel.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 31, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Field??
Someone commented last night that building a new field in liue of Wrigley Field might jump start this team. I have always loved Wrigley and the atmosphere and thought it was absolutely preposterous that such a thought would even come up. However, in light of the past several years of Cubs failures, I'm beginning to think that this might not be a bad idea. Other unthinkables have happened: Griffey traded, Gretzky traded, Beckham moving to U.S., A-Rod traded, Joe Montana traded, etc.
Basically, with new owners coming in, I think it is time to completely clean house and start over from scratch. Building a nice new stadium (with retractable roof!) could give this beleagured franchise new life. Look at what new stadiums did to the Astros (Minute Maid Park), White Sox (Cell), Brewers (Miller Park), Cardinals (New Busch). OK, the Red Sox won it all in old Fenway, but they usually are perennial contenders anyway. Of course, new parks don't guarantee success (Pittsburgh, Seattle, SF), but it can't make the Cubs any worse off than they are now. Think about it: beautiful new revenue-generating skyboxes (I would buy one), more seats, nice concession stands, clean restrooms, comfortable seats, nice scorebard with instant replays. Best of all: MORE NIGHT GAMES!! Don't have to miss work (or school) to catch a game! We can even keep the ivy for the outfield walls.
OK, ticket prices will probably increase, but if it means winning a World Series, it would all be worth it!
I know I am going to catch a lot of flak for these comments, but I just want to voice my opinion and after all, this blog was created to do so. Things need to change. 99 years (and counting) is a LONG time to wait.
I would be interested in other people's comments.
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you.......
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say tear it down too.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ballpark isn't the problem.
So let's say they do this, build a new ballpark, which would still take several years to accomplish.
What sort of excuse would you offer when they suck after THAT?
by Al on May 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew you.........
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no guarantee....
The old way doesn't work.......tear it down and move forward.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think..........
I don't disagree with you about the park needing an upgrade.
I still think that the park will go away once the team is sold. Zell will split the team and the park.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The park does need an upgrade.
That gives the best of both worlds -- a modern facility in an historic location. And don't say "the footprint's too small". They did it at Fenway.
Finally, yes, Sam Zell will probably sell the real estate and the team separately. And any new owner will probably buy both.
by Al on May 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al......
I hope your theory pans out. Unfortunately I have my dobuts. Once the park gets put on the market, the real estate is more valuable than the park.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, because...
by Al on May 31, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you will not be shocked by this.....
Real Estate is king Al. Anyway, there are enough other things to worry about outside of the future of Wrigley.
I am curious as to whether you would renew your season ticket package if the team moved to another park.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In reality
What may happen is this; the two may be sold seperately in different transactions, but to the same buyer. I am no expert, but there are probably some tax advantages in doing this for both parties.
It's very difficult to survive today, without owning the ballpark and the revenue streams that come from it. Sure, they could work out a nice lease arrangement (like the White Sox), but it is not the ideal situation.
by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
More single family homes = Lincoln Park. Lincoln Park = increased home prices.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take
by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, MPH73.
It would be a monumental mistake for a buyer of the team to not buy the ballpark. Yes, they could be separate transactions; the company set up to buy the park could lease it back to the LLC (or whatever) that buys the team. I believe you are correct, that there would be positive tax implications from doing so.
by Al on May 31, 2007 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nutty......
As for the area not being a destination for young familes and 20 somethings you are wrong. The neighborhood is fantastic and offers much more than the Cubs.
You are correct about the tax implications. Still, watch someone like Bill Wirtz swoop down and pick up the park. Real Estate is king Al.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's an owner
The other MLB owners wield an imposing sword which leads me to believe that Wrigley and the Cubs will go to the same buyer.
by tharr on May 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Could MLB Do?
Could they veto the sale of the team? yeah, I guess so. But for what purpose?
by frustratedfan on May 31, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think
by tharr on May 31, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live.......
The neighborhood is solid. It is a great place to live and raise a family. Ask the people who live around the park and the majority would not be sad to go. I like the fact that the park is close, but the drunks tear up the neighborhood.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong...
Not sure how old you are, but I saw this happen myself.
And I repeat, no sane ownership group will buy the Cubs without the ballpark.
by Al on May 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I think both are partially correct
If Wrigley Field was eliminated, the property values on Waveland and Sheffield would certainly take a hit, but any property more than a block away, IMHO, wouldn't be effected. I'd think that now at least as many people find it to be a deterrant as much as a lure.
by NO100 on May 31, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No!!!!!!!!!
1984 did bring more people to the park but it was not the top factor in "switching" the neighborhood. I am having a friend pull real estate reports for the neighborhood. I will forward them if you like. People began returning to the city in the late 80s due to the changes that were occurring. Lakeview, Bucktown and other areas saw unprecedented growth.
I do agree that the park was an attraction. That ship has sailed. The neighborhood is set and would not slide if the park is demolished. IMHO, the neighborhood would be better if the park was razed.
As for your thought about the park being sold to owner of the team I think you are wrong. People will want to buy the team to say they own the Cubs. I agree that it would be best if the park was sold to the owner of the team. I just think that if the land hits the open market, a developer will place a much higher value on the land than the owner of the park will.
It is the brand Al, not the park. Sometimes I feel you are more enamored with Wrigley than the Cubs. I love the park too, but I am not as attached as you seem to be.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neighborhood
by frustratedfan on May 31, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are 100% correct......
I would not be upset if the park left. Having guests on the weekend would be much easier. I also would not have to clean up the bottles, vomit and shit (yes shit) outside my house. After the Cubs/ Sox series I had to call the cops on a drunk that was passed out next to his car. There is no way in hell the property value would decrease if the park goes.
All that being said, I would miss being able to walk over to the park on a whim and watch the game.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since....
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fenway
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee Stadium
Wrigley and Fenway managed to survive due to intelligent remodels that maintained their spirit while upgrading facilities. The Yankee Stadium that Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio played in is long gone - besides the most obstinate diehards, even Yankee fans realize that.
by TMOX on May 31, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They might suck...
At least they'll suck in beautiful new facility.
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good players
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they don't
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you watched the movie MIRACLE
Good GM's develop, sign and trade for the "right" players, the bad ones don't.
by MPH73 on May 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is the stadium...
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious
The Cubs suck. The Marlins are better. That's how I explain it. There's nothing "eerie" about it.
Gimme a break.
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eerie or not....It's fast become the norm...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrigley Field isn't going anywhere
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree..
I think it's time to move on. Maybe it would help psychologically. All the comforts of a new stadium would be nice.
I believe the old Idian burial ground is cursed.
by wicubfan on May 31, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
by TheRamZamDLEE on May 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The "meeting"
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guaranteed contracts -
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
"Guaranteed contracts, not guaranteed jobs."
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Comcast...
by jolietconvict on May 31, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al...
Now about those Cubs...
You've said for awhile that this team must start the turnaround NOW. I think NOW just passed with this series against the Marlins. It's time for the contingency plan to go into effect. Oh yeah...this organization didn't have a contingency plan. I'm not directly complaining to you Al, but your the closest thing I've got to a Cubs Offical. Are the rest of you going to have to watch this team (in it's current incarnation) sleepwalk through the rest of the season? Didn't we just get our asses handed to us by a team that brought up all it's rookie prospects it could find in it's minor leagues last year? If Management knows that Wrigley will fill up regardless of winning or losing, why don't they eat the stupid contracts and let's see what the Iowa outfield is all about. Spending the $ for the guys currently failing the last 51 games seems moot if you can get the 3 guys from Iowa to do it the last 111. The money is guaranteed, so it's already been spent.
Didn't I mention something about not watching this last loss yesterday? You were hoping it would be the "kiss of death" for the loss I was expecting. Hendry's kissing booth is now open.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't Agree More
Replace Jones with Pie
Replace Eyre with Pignatello
Replace Izturis with Fontenot
Replace Howry with Geoff Jones (AA)
And finally --
Pleeezzz get Soriano out of the leadoff position.
Tell me what happened to the "deep in the count" approach that our new hitting coach was touting in the spring.
And -- let Larry Rothschild retire to Florida. I am so tired of looking at his sour face after another of his pupils --
A -- Throws the ball down the middle of the plate on an 0-2 count.
B -- Throws the ball letter high with the wind blowing out to center.
C -- Walks another batter who's hitting under .250 by nibbling at the corners instead of throwing his best pitch.
by ceegeewow on May 31, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
by wicubfan on May 31, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
I remember him as "Oh no, Fontenot" - a 1986 version of this year's Scott Eyre (as far as effectiveness)
by danimal15 on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any word on last night's Postgame PC
(for the out of towners)
by CubFaninNY on May 31, 2007 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else think...
The two previous called strikes (before he struck out swinging) were very outside the strike zone and Lee made some very disgusted gestures.
Your star player was getting hosed on calls and Lou just sits there? That was his moment to blow up and cause a shit storm, show some life or something.
by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had anticipated Lou...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His answer for everything
by bloopsingle on May 31, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which was...
Maybe the manager's office is cursed.
by Al on May 31, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's to hoping
by LuisSalazar on May 31, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou has been a disappointment
He honestly has this totally apathetic disposition in the dugout and during news conferences, making excuses and just giving a general 'to hell with it' attitude.
by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go
It's not the manager. It's the players. They're terrible. The ghost of Connie Mack couldn't manage this team to a winning record.
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall anyone...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not blaming Lou!
by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I will not/cannot
by lovejones72 on May 31, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by cubsbak on May 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha...
Honestly though, I'm not blaming Lou for this debacle of a season so far. But he does look like a deer in headlights and there doesn't seem to be any PASSION in him.
It doesn't have anything to do with watching a guy blow up or anything like that. It's about setting a fire under these players asses!
by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: While I will not/cannot
I mean, aside from THE RIOT and maybe Murton, pretty much all of the position players are, if not veterans, experienced major leaguers. Same goes for the starting staff. (I guess Rich Hill can still be called "young," but he's not a rookie anymore.) In the bulllpen, Gooz and Marmol are rookies still, I guess. Otherwise, all of those guys have been playing at the major league level for pretty long time.
Barking at players with this measure of experience probably won't do a damn thing. I agree that it would make us fans feel good. But it would probably just cause a lot of petulance and power struggles that wouldn't help the team.
I certainly haven't agreed with every move Lou has made on the field so far this season, but I think he seems to be doing is damndest to figure this thing out. Poor bastard.
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do any of you know what Lou does or doesn't do
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry BlueMike
Bobby Cox will soon have been thrown out of more games than any other manager in history and his Braves teams won 14 straight division titles. Now, I'm not saying there's a definite correlation, but he might have something there.
Now, I guess you know what's been going on behind the scenes, so please inform us. All I know is what I've seen myself. But if you have some hidden source inside the Cubs club house, please, let us know what's going on behind the scenes.
by DTJchris on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Apocalypse has arrived
I never expected BM to ever accuse another of making summary judgment. And to preach moderation in the same instance. I'm stunned. It must be the end of civilization as I know it.
by tharr on May 31, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll be fine.
I know that sounds crazy after watching them get drilled. But that shit happens. There's an off day. and you start the next series with your 2 best pitchers. And seeing as how there's no Hudson or Smoltz, I don't see why we can't take 2out of three.
Oh and by the way The Brewers have been playing every bit as bad as we have. If the Cubs take 2 out of 3 against the Brewers ( something they've done before by the way) and one week from today we're a whole 3 games out of first in this shitty division, that ain't so miserable.
I know, I know, the Cubs just lost 3 in a row, Bullpen, RF, "No heart", Whatever. The Bluemikes, Santoswoodenlegs, Sackman'sand every other doomsayer are ruling the Boards. Whoopee. And I hate watching them play like this. But the truth is there barely worse off than they were a week ago.
I for one can see them turning it around. Hopefully they can too.
by yahoodi on May 31, 2007 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hooray for ....
"The Chicago Cubs spent 300 million dollars this past off-season and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL - I already made my own T-shirts last year
http://www.fortheartofit.com/storage/cubs-crap.gif
Won't be too long before I start wearing them to the park again this year.
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your going to hurt someones feelings...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I could just only sneak into the clubhouse
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what...
I'd bet if you found a way to contact them and get them some of those T-shirts, they'd all wear them under their uniforms.
by Al on May 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you know how to contact them...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can email just about anyone...
General email address form for Cub employees is:
firstinitiallastname (at) cubs (dot) com
I do NOT think the players have these, though.
by Al on May 31, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be friggin hysterical
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumblings from ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2887921
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Grade A talent, no doubt.
Nope, me either. Besides, what "bullpen help" do the Cubs have to give? They could have Scott Eyre if they want him.
by Al on May 31, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Dukes......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean if he doesn't actually go through
by rlpete on May 31, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad fit with the Cubs
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could never work out a deal with them anyway
And, the Devil Rays aren't a team known for taking on salary. We'd have to pay a big part of the tab to move Howry or Eyre, or even Jones (who'd be a 4th OF or DH them).
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes treats objects like women man....
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we open the browser one day and see that he finally went thru with his threats.
What he needs is to be suspended for at least the rest of the season and undergo thorough, long-term treatment and isn't reinstated until he successfully completes it.
Men under restraining orders who have previously threatened their partners have the unfortunate tendency to act on their threats. Dukes has repeatedly demonstrated how well he fits this pattern of behavior. The Cubs have enough issues without adding this nutcase to the list.
Visit The Digital Gazette
by Jed Taylor on May 31, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saltalamacchia
Any ideas what the Cubs would have to give up for a bonafide Catch & Hit catcher?
by N Oakley on May 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's leaving anyway,
by N Oakley on May 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a worthy deal.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Saltalamacchia
by dat cubfan daver on May 31, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with Braves guy
by cubfaninSTL on May 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
According to Stark
by SackMan on May 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves GM says:
by John Q Freejazz on May 31, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs don't have what it takes to get Salty
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian McCann is a diamond carat stud
John Schuerholz and the Braves are sitting on an awesome trading chip. They should get a very, very good pitcher in return if they decide to trade him.
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we are in agreement...
by N Oakley on May 31, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on May 31, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Sweet Jesus!
T-H-E C-U-B-S W-I-L-L N-E-V-E-R G-E-T B-R-I-A-N M-C-C-A-N O-R S-A-L-T-Y F-R-O-M T-H-E B-R-A-V-E-S.
Now feel free to walk back to that dream world you crazies live in.
by MrDurden on May 31, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to talk slow enough for you to
Looks like I failed.
by MrDurden on May 31, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we quote you on this?
by Al on May 31, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who, in the cubs organization, would
They won't take Z.
They wouldn't take any of our pitching prospects.
Maybe if we gave them Pie and Hill they might think about it. But do you really want to make that trade?
by MrDurden on May 31, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Al...
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's official then....
God, do I have a migraine.
I've read that it's Wrigley Field that is responsible for them sucking. It's Hendry's fault, (which I have to agree with). I've read that Lou should be more animated or show some fire, or light some fires, ..or just light himself on fire, I forget. Anyway, I share all of your frustration, especially after watching last night's debacle.
I had the same recurring question pop up in my head though during the game, how can the Marlins trade away almost ALL of the players who were on their championship team, (only Dontrelle and Cabrera remain), and still beat us that bad, and sweep us to boot? (Uggla, is he a product of their farm system?) Their hitters showed patience at the plate for most of the nite. (I did see a few calls where Lilly got squeezed by the ump early on). But all in all, they just played better.
The Cubs hitters, especially Soriano, just came up to bat after that first half-inning and he's got home run in his mind,...you can see it. Let's take a few. (Baseball is all about adjustments. See what that pitcher has. Is he throwing first-pitch strikes? Ok, big deal. Take it. If he is, more than likely the next pitch will be out of the zone. Lay off it. Next time through the line-up, see if he's still throwing those juicy first-pitch strikes. Or is he now seeing if you'll bite on that slider?) Not the Cubs. They just went ahead and flailed away, swinging at crap in the dirt, low and outside. There's no plate discipline. None. They'd swing at that first pitch and foul it off, then swing at the next one that was in the dirt, before they knew it, they're down 0-2.
Finally,before I forget, those of you worrying about change, whether it's the GM, or the ball field, or trading away players,.....here's something to keep in mind...ask yourself what it is you're so afraid of losing if they do make changes? Is it the chance that they could have turned this season around? What is it? Because right now, as this season stands, you have got NOTHING to lose.
You can't lose what you don't have.
by MaTheMeatloaf on May 31, 2007 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You just hit the Nun in the face on that one!
by santoswoodenlegs on May 31, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Night Games
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They never do that any more.
The Cubs can play as many as 30 night games now; most teams play about 50. Playing 20 more day games -- less than one per week -- is NOT the problem.
by Al on May 31, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how......
You don't know. None of us do. The players seem to think it makes a difference.
by timeforachange on May 31, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Night games
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al,
by ronsanto10 on May 31, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was neutral, actually.
But it was time, I suppose, to have lights like everyone else. I think it's worked out just fine.
by Al on Jun 1, 2007 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its just an excuse..
They have unlimited access to massage therpists, physical theripists, doctors, people paying their bills, chaufering them to the airport, handling thier baggage etc etc etc.
Day baseball has nothing to do with it.
by JB 23 on May 31, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely agree...
by LuisSalazar on May 31, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loud, sustained applause.
by Al on Jun 1, 2007 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For all of us still in denial...
The St. Louis Deadturds are TIED with the Cubs right now and the turds are moving in the right direction....
All this were still close BS is just that BS...as after tomorrow...there are going to be 2 teams between the Cubs and the Brewers.....to have to jump over....barring any unforseen miracles....the WILD CARD IS NOT coming out of the NL Comedy Central (I like the NL Norris.....)
by kcjones on May 31, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis is starting to wake up
I travel to St. Louis for work each week. Just got back home this evening. Persistent rumor remains that the Cards and Dodgers are talking a swap of Scott Rolen for Chad Billingsley and maybe also Matt Kemp. If I am the Cardinals, I make that deal. This is a case of where Walt Jocketty is light years ahead of Jim Hendry. He admits when his team needs to improve for the long-term and goes out and does something about it. Despite having much greater financial limitations.
by BlueMike on May 31, 2007 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY.......
As much as I hate the 'Tards, they are proactive rather than reactive. Why is it that Hendry waits until it's entirely too late? God that drives me insane. Again, what is he soooooo afraid of losing? Fourth place in this division? If that's the case he should continue to wait because he'll lose 4th place too. Hello cellar.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Jun 1, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its because......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jun 1, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This now means the only...yes *3*
by kcjones on May 31, 2007 11:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers upcoming schedule
The Cubs ABSOLUTELY MUST make up serious ground by June 17th, or this season is officialy over. The only breather they get is Texas...
Thu. 31 Florida = W
Fri. 1 Florida
Sat. 2 Florida
Sun. 3 Florida
Mon. 4 Chicago Cubs
Tue. 5 Chicago Cubs
Wed. 6 Chicago Cubs
Fri. 8 at Texas
Sat. 9 at Texas
Sun. 10 at Texas
Tue. 12 at Detroit
Wed. 13 at Detroit
Thu. 14 at Detroit
Fri. 15 at Minnesota
Sat. 16 at Minnesota
Sun. 17 at Minnesota
by SackMan on Jun 1, 2007 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Texas won't be a breather
The Cubs suck against pitchers and teams they've never seen before, and they'll suck even more against a formidable offense like Texas. I don't see it as a breather at all. The Rangers will get hot for that series, just wait.
by CubFaninNY on Jun 1, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember this:
- The Cubs suck against teams they've never seen before.
- The Cubs suck against teams with ex-Cubs playing for them.
- The Cubs suck in interleague play.
- The Cubs suck after acquiring big-money free agents.
- The Cubs suck for at least three years after a decent/good season.
- The Cubs suck insert favorite scenario
by SyneRandberg on Jun 1, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why is that...
Flailing away at crap low and outside, or anything that's outside of the strike zone, will continue to be the norm for this disaster that is the Cubs.
They are always guessing. ALWAYS.
My god, take a few pitches. It's basic baseball you learn in little league.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Jun 1, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NL Central
W/L percentages in this Div. Stink ! Good thing they play each other a lot or the winner would be
sub 500...........
Hendry should go he put together this disaster.
To wait for a new owner makes NO sense .. Hendry
would probably convince them it wasn't his fault.
Lou looks like he is running out of GAS.... another Hendry mistake. I wonder what Joe Girardi
would have done with these players ... I am thinking the manager of the year would have them
in playing a lot more aggressive.....
by FlaCub on Jun 1, 2007 7:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The single biggest
by SyneRandberg on Jun 1, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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