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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Brewers, Saturday 6/30, 2:55 CT

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Just a reminder: despite what printed schedules may say, today's game begins at 2:55 CT, having been switched to accomodate Fox-TV. Not that this really matters, but the Cubs are 4-1 so far in 2007 in games televised on Fox.

As of early this morning the Fox Sports page that usually lists where each game is being carried hadn't been updated since last week. Today, in addition to Cubs/Brewers, Fox is carrying Tigers/Twins and Mets/Phillies, so your guess is as good as mine as to where the game will be seen. You'll want to turn the sound off, too, if you can watch it: Matt Vasgersian and Mark Grace are the broadcast team.

You'll note I haven't said anything about today's game. You know, "kiss of death" and all that. Instead, check out this story which appeared on the front page of today's Sun-Times, about Cliff Floyd's dad Cornelius, who is recovering from heart surgery, and whose doctors arranged to bring him to the ballpark yesterday, thinking it would do him some good. It did:

"This made me really happy, and I'm so glad I did it," he said. "It gave me a chance to get some of that fresh air, and get that summertime feeling back in the body."

"There's no better place for that than Wrigley Field."

Damn straight!
 Today's Starting Pitchers
Sean Marshall
 S. Marshall
Cubs		 vs. Ben Sheets
 B. Sheets
Brewers
4-2 W-L 9-3
2.44 ERA 3.09
34 SO 70
11 BB 23
6 HR 12
vs. Mil -- vs. Cubs
Marshall's only career appearance vs. Milwaukee was this 14-6 Cub win last September 26; half the Brewers in that lineup aren't even on the team any more.

Ben Sheets used to beat the Cubs like the proverbial drum; however, in the last three years it's been the other way around -- in nine starts vs. the Cubs since July 2004, Sheets is 0-5 with a 5.50 ERA and ten HR allowed, including a 6-3 Cub win in Milwaukee on April 7. That's the Sheets we hope we see today. He's been very consistent most of the year, not allowing more than three runs in any start since April 15.

Here's today's Mediacenter, for those who have MLB audio.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

And, please visit our SBNation Brewers site Brew Crew Ball, for the Milwaukee fan point of view.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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As much as I enjoy the 9th inning heroics,
let's get a lead and build on it and not let it get to the last batter today lol

GO CUBS!!!

"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Jun 30, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just got off the phone with Comcast
They said that FOX SPorts has determined that the Cubs are the national coverage game today...originally it was the Mets
Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jun 30, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool!
That means the Mets/Phillies go to the East Coast, the Tigers/Twins go to their own states and maybe some surrounding areas, and the Cubs/Brewers go everywhere else. (Of course, that may mean the Tigers/Twins go to parts of Iowa and Michigan where there are a lot of Cub fans.)

In general, of course. Usually they do something stupid like putting the Mets game in Los Angeles.

As the saying goes, "check local listings".

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2007 10:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fox Sports Espanol
will be broadcasting Cubs/Brewers this afternoon here in LA while the local Fox affliate has the Mets game.

National interest in Mets/Phillies? Who is the genius in the production office that scheduled that one?

by JFCubFan on Jun 30, 2007 12:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice story
about cliff's dad. no wonder cliff was hopping around like a kid yeserday when rammy hit the GWHR. good stuff.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 10:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pie vs. Patterson
I don't know anything about greg couch but this article was kind of interesting.

p.s. sorry for making anyone think about patterson

To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man,
after a game like yesterdays I really hope we don't come out today and totally shit the bed.

by jshipp on Jun 30, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry....
....but I saw this over at Brew Crew Ball, where I can't figure out of they're baseball fans or nerds from MIT who overanalyze every little thing. In english, does anyone know what this says? Maybe I'm graph challenged. Us lawyers usually avoid crap like this.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Took me a while too...
What it is showing is the % chance that a team will win at that point of the game.  Before Aramis HR the Brewers had a 90% chance to win pretty much the entire game.  Then he hit the HR and the graph plumetted(sp) like the stock market did in 1929.

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhhhhhh.....
....thanks.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...
the blue line makes sense.  I couldn't figure out what "leverage index" means.

But it is fun to see that plummet to 0% win probability on Ramirez's swing.

by SouthernCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The graph
I think the blue line says that basically, from the 1st inning, there was a 90+% chance that the Brewers would win...Aram's HR then results in the precipitous dive from 90+% to 0%

not sure what stats they use for the percentages, but the "asymptote" in the bottom of the ninth is pretty hilariously demonstrates that the whole concept of the graph is retarded

To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops...too late
:-)
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take...
is that it means they should have won, they should have won, they should have won... oh crap Ramirez homers... the Cubs won, the Cubs won, the Cubs won.  Go Cubbies!!!
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Jun 30, 2007 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

signature
every time I read you signature I laugh at what a jack ass the "hawk" is...nice
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a priceless quote
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Jun 30, 2007 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Grace as a announcer
I get the impression that not many are impressed with Gracies broadcasting skills?  Or is it just Varsegian?

Personally, I think Gracie, and his two packs of winstons per day voice, are alright in the booth...but maybe I am just blinded by the fact that it is gracie.

To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're blinded.
Have you ever heard him? He's horrendous. If he wants to stay in baseball, he should get into coaching.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2007 11:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
I love Gracie, but he needs to put down the mic and slowly back away...

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And it's weird
because Gracie was such a quote-machine as a player that we all just naturally assumed that he'd be a great announcer.

But now he spits out clichés and inanities in the booth that would have embarrassed him if he'd have said them as a player.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I get the chance to watch on TV today
I will "try" to listen iwht a critical ear...but it will be difficult :)
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course
my announcer radar is all off kilter...as I am now beginning to like Len (after his two eruptions this week)
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was afraid
to say that out loud.=) I have to agree with you that after Len's two calls this week he is growing on me. Don't know if it what he's calling or how he's calling it...

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Len
I've always liked Len and I think most of the criticism has been unwarranted.  But one criticism I've read of him that I do think has some merit is that he doesn't rise to the excitement of big moments and connected to that, he has a bad home run call.

He may be improving that.  I think we were all happy with Kasper's call on Ramirez's HR.  I'm wondering if "Oh baby!" could become his "Holy Cow!"

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 11:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha
yeah...the "oh baby" was pretty funny...I too was wondering if he is going to incorporate that
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd kind of like that, actually.
Seems to suit him, and came about spontaneously. Those are the best kind.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2007 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Len and Bob
both do a great job. I have been trying to watch some non-Cubs games to get a better feeling for whats going on in MLB in general. I am not impressed with many of the commentators. Some have catchy phrases and special things they do, but not many. They don't paint a good idea of what is really happening on the field.

And it seems to me that one of the two commentators annoy me, if not both, on Fox Saturday games. I can't remember if it was Girardi or whoever was with him , but someone stunk it up bad earlier this year. Maybe I have just grown accustomed to Len and Bob's style and that's ok with me.

It isn't near as important to be loved for yourself as it is to be loved in spite of yourself.

by love the ivy on Jun 30, 2007 12:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I used to be a big Grace fan.....
...until he left the Cubs for the Diamondbacks and started to crap on the Cubs. He does the color for Diamondbacks TV, and although the Cubs and Grace kissed and made up at the last Cubs Convention, he still does it now and then. Moreover, listening to him makes me want to continually clear my own throat.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone else ever hear the rumors
of Grace chain smoking in the dugout?  any truth?
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jun 30, 2007 11:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno about chain smoking....
....but he did smoke in the runways.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wondering
if we'll see Pagan or Pie today? I know Uncle Lou wants to get Pie some ABs, but Pagan's hotter right now.
BTW still grinning from yesterday!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 11:15 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Today's A Tall Order....
...Sheets is their stud, especially with Capuano being out. While the Cubs have had some success against him, it'll just be another big hole in the beer keg that is the Brewers' heart if the Cubs can beat him after what happened yesterday. I don't see how a game like yesterday doesn't get in the Brewers' heads. Take away the first inning, which was helped more than a little by some bad defense, and the Cubs dominated the game.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:21 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everybody knows
that Cub fans will never have a broadcaster they are totally happy with.  How can we after we had Harry for all those years?

by jshipp on Jun 30, 2007 11:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AM 1000 ESPN
Just reported Rock Cherry was brought up apparently, per Chicago Cubs message board. I don't know for who.

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 11:33 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would sorta make sense
The bullpen got used a lot yesterday. I'd say it sucks to be Jones or Izturis right about now if this is true.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be tricky to DL Jones...
if they're trying to trade him.  You can't trade a guy on the DL.  I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense, just that it would delay any possibility of a trade for 15 days.

Unless of course they DFA him.

Either way, I think Izturis is safe.  If he goes, then we only have one backup infielder.

by SouthernCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
I thought about that with Jones, but the trading thing isn't going so hot for Hendry right now anyway, so what the heck.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...
it could be one of those cases where Hendry knows he can't move Jones right now.  So he will get Jones out of the way until the trade deadline, then bring him back off the DL in time to make a move.  It's not like Jones is bringing anything to the table by being active anyway.

by SouthernCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suspect
that one of them discovered some magical "injury" this morning.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Either one of them could discover a hole....
...in their swings and no one would doubt it at all.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps...
... Jones has been traded. The 25-man roster (at 11:45 am) shows no changes, yet.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jun 30, 2007 11:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also true...
I hadn't considered that possibility.

by SouthernCub on Jun 30, 2007 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've probably already heard, but...
that idiot fan who ran on the field on Monday is being charged with a felony and faces 3 years in prison.  I'm betting that he regrets it now.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-070629fan-wrigleyjun29,1,263547.sto ry?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Jun 30, 2007 11:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did it for $400
And his bail was set at $20,000.

Seems like "Fuzzy Math" to me...

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 30, 2007 11:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm no economist or anything
but it seems like he got screwed in that deal

by DTJchris on Jun 30, 2007 12:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why doesn't FOX
broadcast one game from an Eastern team, a Central team, and a West Coast team every Saturday?  

Just as I am no economist, I am also no program director, but I would assume that that is how they would get the highest ratings.  

by DTJchris on Jun 30, 2007 12:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really really happy
about the win yesterday. I hope the winning ways continue.

GO CUBS!!!

Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 30, 2007 12:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF
Rock Cherry was pulled up and Petrick was sent down.  Thats BS.  We couldn't DL anyone?  Now we can't have Petrick back up for what, 10 days?  He was looking good too.

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 12:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're apparently
trying to stretch our bullpen out by rotating pitchers with options down to the minors.

I think it's 15 days, but the exception is if we DL someone.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 12:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

10 days
unless someone is DL'd.

by Maddog on Jun 30, 2007 1:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In case anyone is interested
Here's the full NL and AL Playoff Chance standings, using the link that Al has on the right sidebar.

American League:                National League:
BOSTON          97.872          NY METS         86.196
LA ANGELS       83.200          MILWAUKEE       80.152
DETROIT         72.877          SAN DIEGO       69.667
CLEVELAND       68.090          LA DODGERS      62.844
OAKLAND         22.497          CH CUBS         42.322
SEATTLE         19.850          ATLANTA         24.659
NY YANKEES      16.358          ARIZONA         17.513
MINNESOTA       12.080          PHILADELPHIA    10.370
TORONTO          5.301          COLORADO         2.748
BALTIMORE        1.674          ST LOUIS         1.300
TEXAS             .102          SAN FRANCISCO     .992
CH WHITE SOX      .050          FLORIDA           .984
KANSAS CITY       .032          HOUSTON           .108
TAMPA BAY         .010          PITTSBURGH        .069
                                CINCINNATI        .051
                                WASHINGTON        .017

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 30, 2007 1:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As you can see
The Cardinals and White Sox are where they should be.

by vegascubsfan on Jun 30, 2007 1:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weren't the Cubs ..
.. like at 25% before the winning streak? So even though we haven't gained much ground, in theory, we've made up like 17%. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
rain delay theatre

by rob9802 on Jun 30, 2007 2:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't know you could fiddle roster like this
Seems a little shaky pitch a guy 2 of 3 days or til he can't go, then recall another (similar?) pitcher...didn't see enough to judge but thought Petry showed more promise than Cherry??

Next week 7 games on road will be interesting test altho 2 bad teams, Wash can score...seems we're tap-dancing around or avoiding the issue with wanting 12 pitchers now until Hendry can make a move...they could send down Theriot the way Fontenot is hitting....altho I like both...Izzy and Jones aren't helping much but still could prove to have some value, esp. defensively for JJ...throw him in there a game and see what happens maybe he could get hot for a few weeks (we're gonna need to find some offense when Lee's suspension kicks in, next week?)

Sorry for rambles, killin time before Sat. game hate these late starts

by writerinwrigley on Jun 30, 2007 1:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure
I understand this move either. Wouldn't have made more sense to send The Riot down? (As much as it pains me to write that.)Even Izzy? We still only have 11 pitchers and a bullpen that was taxed pretty hard yesterday.

Is there a move out there, either including JJ or not, that makes sense. The list of trade partners for JJ gets smaller with each passing day.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 1:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well..
Petrick threw 30 pitches yesterday.  He can't pitch today.  Wuertz threw over 20.  He'd probably be the last guy up.  That leaves you with Howry, Marmol, Eyre, and Ohman.  Is that the bullpen you want to face the Brewers with today?

You might send Theriot down, but then Izturis is the only bench infielder.  What if somebody gets hurt but not serious enough to be DL'd? Then Izzy would have to play every day until then.  

Petrick threw well, but he'll be back.  Our bullpen is very thin today.  We'd be screwed if Marshall sucks today if we didn't recall a pitcher.

by Wesley on Jun 30, 2007 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone else
dreaming of Petrick setting up Marmol in the next year or so?

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 1:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What
a formidable combination that would be!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 1:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still have dreams
Of Kerry Wood making a healthy return (not this season).

by Arbusto on Jun 30, 2007 2:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right
It makes sense to bring up a pitcher. I like the move to add another arm, just wasn't sold on sending an arm down. Now we have to wait to bring Petrick back up.
You are also right in sending Theriot or Izzy would have thinned our bench.
Guess it's the whole having my cake and eating it too senario...

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 1:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Petrick was good ...
But he's not quite ready just yet. He's got to get better at locating his second and third pitches. It's better to send him down after having success than keeping him up here and having him possibly go through some struggles. He'll be back up in September though, maybe sooner.
rain delay theatre

by rob9802 on Jun 30, 2007 2:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's time
to DFA Jones.  We'll have to eat his whole contract, but he's not going to play here again.  Someone will give us a prospect during the 10 day period.

If we really had Graham Taylor from the Marlins, though, I'm PO'd that trade fell through.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Izzy needs to be sent down!
We can't have this going on in the club house!!

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 2:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odd, indeed.
First time I've seen a sexual assault in the dugout.  ANY dugout.  Hell, ANYWHERE in public.

Wow.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My god!
It was Goodyear day at Wrigley. Cliff Floyd just got his tires rotated for free. Ewwww!

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was Izzy on Ramirez
And I think the term is "goosed"  teabag is when ya put your junk on someone

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Teabagged?
I thought that was only in basketball.

by Arbusto on Jun 30, 2007 2:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The look.....
on ARam's face in the last frame ...shocked/placid?

by coral on Jun 30, 2007 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Todays game
The winner of today's game will win the NL Central is my prediction.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 30, 2007 1:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I predict
That if the total number of runs scored is greater than 10, 62 will be the number of hot dogs eaten by the winner of the July 4th hot-dog eating contest.
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Jun 30, 2007 1:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I live in South Carolina
so I guess Im going to be stuck with the Mets/Phillies :(, this sucks.
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jun 30, 2007 1:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When did the game on the 21st end?
Wasn't it about 430 which is right before the official start of summer?

That means we haven't lost since the start of summer.

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 30, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a bad move
We cant give Jones or Izturis away. We need fresh arms for today and tomorrow. Next week is the Nationals and the Pirates. You have to play the odds with the opponent you are facing.

The only part that sucks is Cherry never once has looked as good as Petrick, but I am sure we will see Billy back up after the break.

Anyone have any thoughts on something I can do to keep busy over the AS break? Off days drive me crazy, I cant imagine what I am going to do for 4 days.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Research the
D Lee phenomenon:  Despite being somewhere around the top 5 of most offensive NL stats (including a gaudy .375   batting average with RISP), he has hit only 6 homers and has only about 40 RBI's.  Many are saying he's actually hurting the team.

Although I think that idea is totally absurd, the question remains:  Where has Derrik's power gone and how has it affected the team?

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 2:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe the wrist
Maybe something with the wrist is not affecting his swing and his eye but the power he has in said swing.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 30, 2007 2:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've heard that before,
but then why is he still creaming the ball hard, but not on enough of an upward trajectory to get it out?

Is there someone who knows if it's possible to have a wrist injury that impedes his swing only when he swings upwards?

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 2:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he's decided ...
To hit for average rather than for only power--which A-Ram falls prey to ...

Though D-Lee is in a tad of a slump, he's still this team's best player on a talented team (well, except for Izuseless)!

BTW--what is happening to Sean Marshall?  This looks like a repeat of yesterday's first inning.  HE NEEDS TO SETTLE DOWN! Perhaps it's the national exposure?

LRRF

"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 30, 2007 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of the BAD things about NYC
I will NEVER get a Cubs game on Fox. It ALWAYS the Mets or
Yankees. The ONLY one that they had this year was the Phillies
Saturday since both Mets &  Yankees had night games and that didn't help as I was IN Philadelphia for that ugly loss

A note on sending players up and down to stretch out BP
and bench. This is TERRIBLY short sighted management. Next
year or the after when we really need to send a young player down who is actuallly struggling and needs work, we will be screwed because he will be OUT OF OPTIONS.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 30, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clarification
...about the "out of options" thing.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 2:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very complicated
Basically MLB has very precise system limiting the number of times players can be brought up and sent back to the minors based on days of service in both .  For instance I know Ohman is out of options so if he sucks the Cubs have to release him or at least put him through wavers he can't be sent down. Obviously Murton had options left so he got sent down. What I am saying is that if they are in fact bringing back Cherry for the SECOND time they have blown two of his options. In a related note I know that by bringing up Pie as early as they did they lost a full year of keeping under control. I believe if he had played something like his first 25 games in the minors the Cubs would have had him for another year. I think Hendry and others are just living for the moment and not thinking of reprecussions of some of this
Pie I think was necessary but shuttling Cherry. Gallagher Petrick
etc may well come back to haunt them
Arizona Phil at The Cub Reporter blog is the expert on this and usually posts a complete detail of player options and remaining years under control of club there several times a year.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jun 30, 2007 2:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Murton
Does anyone feel bad for Murton.  Not only is he in Iowa but he's lost title of weirdest hair in Chicago to the Bulls top draft pick.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 30, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL
I think Matt will gladly give up the hair title to "Joe-Kim."

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 2:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ken Rothensal bashes Cubs again
says Zambrano wants more money, Yankees are going to get him. yada yada yada...get that stupid smile off your face when you don't talk it's creepy..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 2:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cliff's Dad
What a great effort by the medical team - I'm now actually proud to work at the U of C

by coral on Jun 30, 2007 2:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kevin Kennedy
on Fox just said that the ballboy tackled the goof on the field the other day.  I thought it was a security guy -- Migursky?

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs lineup
Soriano LF
Fontenot SS
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Floyd RF
DeRosa 2B
Pagan CF
Koyie Hill C
Sean Marshall P

with exceptions to the bottom 2 of the batting order, this is really been a consistant lineup for the last week.

Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Cubs Go
May the Baseball Gods smile again on you today !!

by coral on Jun 30, 2007 2:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come on Font...
error...
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 2:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not being shown in D.C.
WTF
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This sucks
I know I shouldn't have come here for the summer
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whew
That was scary.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i HATE FOX ..
Why do I want to watch the Mets beating up on the Phillies??? WHY if I live in Tennessee? That's not exactly EAST COAST now is it??

AUAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Jun 30, 2007 3:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fox
i'm in CALIFORNIA and they're showing mets/phillies.
Cubs win! Cubs win! Holy cow!

by McNally on Jun 30, 2007 3:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh my.
Off the wall.  one run in and no outs.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate the Brewers...
1-0...

this is why we shouldn't have started Marshall today right after Hill...Marquis should have gone.

Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3-0
we gotta spread Marshall and Hill out in this rotation if they are going to suceed..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is ...
Hopefully not another day where Lou has to rely on the bullpen.  I'm guessing there's a lot of tired arms on that bench ... ugh.
"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 30, 2007 3:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eyre is up already
Eyre's warming in the pen already.

by NTNgod on Jun 30, 2007 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK
We have a need to spot this team 5 runs in the first.

Sheesh.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And then ...
We can see if the team is talented over just darn lucky ... here's hoping!
"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 30, 2007 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UGH!! 4-0
Come on Sean!
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 30, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-0!!
god!!!
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

will marshall make it through one?
what is wrong with him?
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now I fear for Marquis' start ...
Tomorrow--he hasn't exactly been burning up innings, either.  Hold it together, Sean!
"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 30, 2007 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yikes.
n/t
"One of the worst writers on this board."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jun 30, 2007 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Had a bad
feeling about this game today. I know it's only the top of the 1st but it's unlikely we'll come back 2 days in a row. And look who's up in the 'pen!

by andysilv on Jun 30, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AND
were up against Ben Sheets.

Umm... Sue, would you call this, perhaps, a challenging situation.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To say
the least.
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 30, 2007 3:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you think this inning would have
been completely different if Font didn't commit that error?
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marshall is sucking it up right now
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too had a bad feeling.
God they hit that ball. Up and down the lineup. They are just hammering Marshall.  I was worried about this entire series, without Z and Lilly pitching.

I also despise Grace calling games, so this is not good at all.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 3:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank God
Marshal won't make it to the fourth.

by MrDurden on Jun 30, 2007 3:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I despise Grace period
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Jun 30, 2007 3:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gracie
Why do you despise Grace so much?  After all he did for the Cubs while he was here?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 30, 2007 3:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how can you despise Grace?
I guess he's not the greatest broadcaster, but he was basically the face (or co-face) of the Cubs for a decade. Granted, it was a pretty weak decade ...

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need to react immediately.
No more waiting till the 6th to get going. They have all seen Sheets stuff. Nothing is new. Get up there and put up some runs, hollering right back.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Atlthough
I have seen Marshall do this before. He does get down early and right the ship, so lets see.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh..we aren't out of it...
...i feel confident that this team can score 4 runs...
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

never good
to see the opposing pitcher come to the plate in the first inning for the second consecutive day

by bennyha on Jun 30, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course not
its still not good though, especially for our bullpen

by bennyha on Jun 30, 2007 3:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and the Fonz starts with a single
come on Font..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trade dempster
just for that totally stupid line-up intro

by coral on Jun 30, 2007 3:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew we'd bounce back quickly
WOOHOOOOO!!!  And what the hell was wrong with Dempster??? That had to be embarrasing
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jun 30, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see 4-1 on Font's TRIPLE
man is he hot..making up for the error too. WE ARENT't out of this!
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only 3
more to tie it and 4 to take the lead.
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 30, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great
I've got Ben Sheets in one fantasy league and Sean Marshall in the other.

I was hoping for a 1-0 Cub victory.

But I'll always let my fantasy team get clubbed for a Cub victory, so keep whacking Sheets.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-2
Come on Cubs!!!!
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 30, 2007 3:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Grace just spoke in the 3rd person about DLee
He said gracie was fooled by that change up. I swear to god he did.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa
I heard that too.

Weird.

by wjblol on Jun 30, 2007 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think ...
Grace was talking in the third person about how we had just said Sheets only has two pitches, and then Sheets struck out Lee on a third pitch (a shutout).

It was a weird way of saying it, but Grace was just saying that he erred in his call of the game.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol
they flipped derosa and f-not

by anormal on Jun 30, 2007 3:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lee
continues to not hit either in the clutch or when someone in on base..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

check the stats
He's still hitting very well with RISP. Granted, he's struggled lately in clutch situations, but overall ...

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lately he hasn't...
lately has in the past two weeks..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hows that Igawa is better then Dice-K
arguement going for the Yankees fans?
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Jun 30, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Braun
There is something about this Braun kid I just dont like, but man can he rake it.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Braun
He looks like a Pauly Shore Paul Reubens love child. No reference to my screen name.

by louslovechild on Jun 30, 2007 3:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't really say that.
That dude is just big
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5-2 brewers
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6-2*
spoke too soon
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

poop
I hate this.
Men who whine are so unattractive. This place is full of them.

by sue369 on Jun 30, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

innocent little walks
And it's 6-2. Get Marshall out, Lou.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Realistically we can't
He needs to play a few more innings.  Our BP will be absolutely spent, and what about tomorrow??

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 3:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 out walks
always come back to haunt a guy

by bennyha on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you think 13 pitchers
will be enough?
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could see JJ
throw an inning or 2.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jun 30, 2007 3:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHY.........................
DO OUR STARTING PITCHERS PITCH SO HORIBBLY IN CLUTCH GAMES?????????

The bullpen does better than they do in clitch situations...

by Rogue 52 on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TAKE HIM OUT!!
Sean should never pitch again after Hill
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

poop....poop...poop
POOP
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still wanna do that Marshall and Jones
for Griffey trade?
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Jun 30, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok,
this is worse than yesterday.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brewers are using roids
no other reason why PEOPLE LIKE ESTRADA ARE 2 for 2!
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mainly out of anger
but seriously! Its Johnny Estrada!
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

estrada's always been
good for at least one torrid june or july througout his career, then he reverts to form.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good god
what a fuckin joke

by bennyha on Jun 30, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say leave him in
He's got good stuff, just not in these early innings
"He's overmanaging me, just in case you guys want to hear that. Lou overmanaged Ozzie today..." - Ozzie Guillen

by NittanyCub on Jun 30, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Starting pitching
First Marquis, then Hill, and now Marshall.  Can we get a quality start out of someone before our bullpen is exhausted?  These five inning or less starts are going to take their toll.

And how many times do we have two outs, nobody on, and give up multiple runs?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 30, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fortunately (depending on your POV)
Eyre hasn't pitched in like a month, so he should be able to go three innings.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He might be able to go 3 innings, but then so
could you and I theoretically...Eyre is a totally wasted roster spot.  We would be keeping the pitcher who was sent down and bringing up another if they would get rid of Eyre.  

by DudeVf11 on Jun 30, 2007 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

people on this board predicted it
Marshall would one day get drilled because he is pitching behind Hill...they need to be split up in the rotation after the all star break
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup
they're the same pitcher
If Jesus went to college these days, he would go to Notre Dame

by NDcubsfan on Jun 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still only 5 runs I guess
providing the bullpen can hold it together again.

by andysilv on Jun 30, 2007 3:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's
why i lovet his cubs team. no lead is safe with these guys and d-lee has yet to get on track. it's going to be a good summer.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
this is amazing

by cubsfan9393 on Jun 30, 2007 3:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this hurts
big game and we get sean marshall from the second half of last year instead of the new, effective sean marshall. crap on a stick.

and WTF was d-lee swinging at last inning? he's in an ugly funk. maybe that suspension is coming at good time for him. give him time to clear his head...

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lee probably not looking for the change
Sheets has been throwing a lot of changeups this year, particularly his last few starts.

If Lee wasn't aware of that, and he was thinking Sheets is straight curve/fastball like before - he probably saw a pitch that wasn't a curve, figured fastball, and was thus surprised when the bottom dropped out.

by NTNgod on Jun 30, 2007 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sheets
showed him the change earlier in the AB, but maybe as you say he was looking fastball and got a change.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Changeup
True, but Sheets using it as more than a early/midAB show-me pitch is relatively new.

Sheets and Lee have both been around, so as a hitter, there's probably a bit of ingrained thinking against a guy you've faced a bunch - particularly on a 3-2 pitch.

by NTNgod on Jun 30, 2007 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the next AB...
Sheets throws low in the zone again w/ 2 strikes, but a fastball this time, and Lee just took it.

Lee might have had changeup on the brain that time.

by NTNgod on Jun 30, 2007 4:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
last year, lee had much better at bats. he seems to be getting ran pretty good by the better pitchers this year.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So frustrating
when the Cubs hit the ball a ton but right at people. I know I'm not saying anything particularly insightful here.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if a better gets on..
..do you let Marshall bat?
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be an easy question
if our bullpen wasn't so depleted.  We're apparently down to Eyre! <eyes cross>

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ben sheets
is using every single inch of that wind blowing in. he's going to give the cubs some runs today. they just have to shut out the brewers going forward.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grace
"Hit on the Screws"
"getting smoked"
"the outs are hard hit"
"runs are tough to come by"
"special fans, love affair"
"wind kept it in the park"

That's the clever Gracie in one half inning.  We just need one reference to a slump buster and he may have used up his vocabulary.

by N Oakley on Jun 30, 2007 3:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you think
the mini-blowup of starting pitching has anything to do with an unfamiliar batterymate?  how many games ago was the barrett trade?
Cubs win! Cubs win! Holy cow!

by McNally on Jun 30, 2007 3:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In an effort to Lighten the mood in here
This is a headline from this weeks Onion:

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Home Run"

and there's a picture of him clutching his chest with an O-Face expression, pretty funny stuff

by DTJchris on Jun 30, 2007 3:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JJ
in center? Really? Really!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess pinella
figures he's gotta load up on power in the lineup with this deficit.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also
pagan whacked the wall pretty good on fielder's 2B, maybe he got banged up...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on the plus side
We get to watch Eyre and JJ play. Wonder what's on HBO ...

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Lou
just wave the white flag on this game?

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess so...
What is worse, Jones in or Eyre in??

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 3:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wouldn't say that
Marshall didn't leave Lou with a ton of options. Lou could have put Felix in center, but otherwise ...

Actually, getting JJ some playing time isn't a bad idea. We're already down by 5 -- maybe JJ will think it's last season again and go back to his 2006 form?

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point,
but why not hope for Pie to break out instead of JackWeee?  At least Pie has a much better chance to prevent more runs from scoring than Jones.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if they're going to trade jones
they've got to play him and give him a chance to make himself a marketable player.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jones?!?!?!
wtf is up w/ the double switch?? what??

by GoCubbies34 on Jun 30, 2007 3:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

games over...
..gotta let this one go..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice
sportsmanship, running with a 5-run lead. didn't the brewers get sore about that when the cubs thumped them in milwaukee?
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time to
close the tent on this circus...

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww
come on, after yesterday, you guys don't think the cubs can come back from 5 down? oh ye of little faith. we're cubs fans, this is what we do. hope.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're playing well right now
But coming back from 5 down AND keeping the Brewers from scroing again on consecutive days? Pretty tall order.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why not?
crazy bad things happen to the cubs. why not crazy good things? why not us?
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I don't think there are a shortage
of reasons in response to "Why not us?"  Shall we start with 99 years of frustration?

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hope you're right
But I don't see it happening today. Marshall's short outing really hemmed us in -- especially after the short start by Hill yesterday.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well
sheets looks pretty hittable today and after the lidging that ramirez gave cordero yesterday, i'd say the confidence meter isn't too high over in the brewers' pen. this game isn't over, but it's not looking good right now.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

honestly
I think we can take something very important today.

Going into this game, I thought the Cubs were about even with the Brewers, but that we started slow and lost more heartbreakers.

But I think we're seeing that the Brewers are significantly better than we are. Say a 9 compared with a 7.5. I'm not writing us off. Trades, injuries, strong or weak second halves could change things.

But right now, the Brewers are a better team.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 3:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree with you completely
there lineup is really good and their starting pitching and bullpen are better than ours. they are a really solid squad and i was relieved to get that one yesterday because i knew the next 2 days would be tough, especially with marquis going tomorrow. have a hard time imaging anything good coming from him these days i just dont think he is very good. also, once we hit .500 we usually decide to head back south. whats the most we have been over .500 all year 1 game??

by bennyha on Jun 30, 2007 4:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we still have holes
Yesterday was huge, because if we lost that, we could have easily been 10.5 games back on Monday. Worst that can happen now is 8.5, which wouldn't be good, but it's not impossible to make up.

by elgato on Jun 30, 2007 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This sucks,
I cant watch or listen to the game, becasue of stupid MLB Audio licesensing. Instead Im stuck with Mets/Phils. Anybody know any way I can get some audio????
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jun 30, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

get thee
to a tavern...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did
you try Gameday audio on mlb.com?

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes
I live in South Carolina, so no place has the game on due to FOX regional coverage......and dont you have to pay at Gameday Audio?? I have extra innings, but fox games arent carried on that.
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jun 30, 2007 3:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
its $20.00 a year.  Got a credit card?

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not
sure about payment for Gameday. I dont understand the licensing for Fox. Believe it or not I was hoping to catch the Phils game today. I went to high school with Happ. How does he look?

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meaning
I  tried to go to the bar to see both games...

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehh
Happ looks decent. Hes young, they were making a big deal out of his name, J.A.

But nah, I'm not going to pay 20.00 for the audio, when I have extra innings, and there on there every game. Theres probably four games a year like this that I cant watch or hear. Its ok.

Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jun 30, 2007 3:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
he still might be a year or two away.
Yeah we used to call him is J dot A dot...

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet
Well it seems like the Cubs may lose this one today. But like Lou said theres a lot of baseball left to be played. Lets just take tommorows game!
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jun 30, 2007 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Be glad
you can't hear it. Grace just said "This is a fun one to watch" I died a little inside

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game
is a good one to miss.

by BlueSox on Jun 30, 2007 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like it
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jun 30, 2007 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday Audio
is actually $15 a year.

I don't know if that makes any difference to you--that you'd pay 15 bucks but not 20.

But no, wherever you are in these United States, there is only going to be one game on TV this afternoon.  That's what FOX wants.

by Josh77 on Jun 30, 2007 4:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gary
there's no giving up! Ever! Just a little frustration talking =)

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 30, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
i hear that.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last Appearance?
Is this the last appearance in Cubs' uniforms for Scott Eyre and Jacque Jones?

The problem is you don't want to just give them away, but, you have to show other teams that they have some value.  The only way to do that is to play them.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 30, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no
seems like we are going to be tortured for our gm's dumbass decision to sign these 2 for 3 years and will be stuck with them until the end of next year unless we DFA them

by bennyha on Jun 30, 2007 4:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs waste no time against the Brewers
its the Cubs main headline..pathetic..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eyre
is as worthless as a screen door in a submarine
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn.
'Nuff said.

by eamuscatuli1881 on Jun 30, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what the
HELL.
Cubs win! Cubs win! Holy cow!

by McNally on Jun 30, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eyre..
its called having an effective inning where you don't give up a run..try it sometime!
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the part of scott eyre
will be played by a frankling batting tee.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jun 30, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like
eyre won't be lasting very long either.
Cubs win! Cubs win! Holy cow!

by McNally on Jun 30, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

35 pitches and counting
please just DFA him..
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 30, 2007 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It baffles me
why he is still on the roster.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Jun 30, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well
Just got home from work...be thankful that this can only be one loss at worst. The Brewers have just brought out the bats like crazy today, and Marshall's ever so slightly off. It's that old Yogiism: Good hitting always beats good pitching, and vice versa.

But who knows? Stranger things have happened. (see June 23, 1984)

"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Jun 30, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs