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Witness To History

Somewhere, buried in one of these threads, one of you made the comment that Barry Bonds will soon be "the greatest home run hitter of all time".

To which I responded: "No, he won't. He'll have hit the most home runs of anyone. But that doesn't necessarily make him the greatest HR hitter." To me, that title will forever belong to Babe Ruth. Dave & I discussed this today -- though Bonds was clearly the best all-around player of his era before he did any illegal PED's (Note: this is still unproven, but there is strong circumstantial evidence), Ruth changed the way the game is played. There were years where he outhomered entire teams -- it would be as if Bonds would have hit 200 HR in a season.

With that in mind, I will say that I was glad I was witness to history today -- Barry Bonds' two HR this afternoon, the 752nd and 753rd of his career, set all kinds of marks:

  • It was his 71st multi-HR game; that's one behind Babe Ruth for first all-time.
  • It was his 7th career game with six or more RBI.
  • He has now hit 19 HR this year. That's the most for any player in the year in which he turned 43 -- surpassing Carlton Fisk.
But best of all, the Cubs won the game anyway, 9-8, and the most important play of the game wasn't a longball, it was something that seemed completely unimportant at the time, and almost laughable: Ted Lilly, batting for himself in the last of the fifth even though it was clear he was going to be removed after 102 pitches. Lou, I assume, did so because two players, Cliff Floyd and Daryle Ward, had already left due to minor injuries and he didn't want to deplete his bench any further in the 5th inning. Ward has a strained calf, Floyd a sore neck. Both are, as are we all, day-to day.

Anyway, Lilly singled, and then, seeing Matt Morris and Bengie Molina totally ignore him, took second on an uncontested steal, the first of his career.

This is important because Lilly then scored on Alfonso Soriano's popfly double down the RF line. There's no guarantee Lilly would have scored from first.

And this run, at the time giving the Cubs an 8-3 lead, seemed unimportant, but the bullpen today did not do a particularly good job, and that run wound up being critical. Billy Petrick gave up a two-run HR to Molina hit into the teeth of the wind, which had shifted from west to northeast with the passage of a cold front (despite all the storms this week, they once again passed by the ballpark, where there were no rain delays the entire series). Michael Wuertz was also ineffective, and when Will Ohman was summoned to face Bonds, he thought he had him struck out a couple of times, only to leave a ball up on a 3-2 count (my friend Jon said the Cubs should have walked him, forcing in a run. Maybe. That would have made the score 9-6 instead of 9-8), and Bonds placed it carefully in the LF basket. Flash cameras were strongly in evidence for all of Bonds' at-bats, even shining through the sun that came out late in the day. So Bonds is right when he says, "People say they hate me, but they all go 'Click-click-click' with their cameras."

Fortunately, Carlos Marmol shut the door and though he didn't have his best stuff, he retired all four batters he faced, and Bob Howry had a 1-2-3 9th for his 7th save. Fortunately again, since the Cubs ran through most of the bullpen today, there will likely be a fresh arm tomorrow if Ryan Dempster is, as expected, activated from the DL. Either Petrick or Sean Gallagher will return to Iowa.

Bonds' first HR landed on Sheffield; a ball was thrown back on the field, but according to the Yahoo recap above, it wasn't the HR ball. Dave Davison, one of the regular ballhawks, got it, and sent a throwback ball back.

The Cub offense did another good job of producing runs today, taking advantage of horrendous Giants defense in the first inning (three errors) to score four runs, and they wound up with 14 hits and four walks, scoring nine runs again without benefit of a home run. Aramis Ramirez had three hits and two RBI and Jacque Jones, suddenly looking like a major league hitter again, had four singles, bumping his average up to .244, which is still mediocre, but better than the .220s where he's been mired most of the year.

Late in the game, some of the LF bleacherites started chanting "HGH! HGH!" at Bonds -- give them credit for originality, at least. Then they went into the sing-song "Baaaa-ree! Baaaaa-ree!" Bonds, as is his wont, completely ignored all of it. You could tell his knees were bothering him early, as the two first-inning doubles might not have been so with a faster left fielder. But obviously, they didn't hurt him from hitting this afternoon.

So Bonds heads on to Milwaukee, Bud Selig's home turf, and if he hits a HR or two in the first game of the series, it'll be interesting to see if Selig shows up for the other games.

Today was a scheduled giveaway for kids -- a Build-a-Bear. Mark was with me and got one -- or, I should say, got a voucher, because some sort of shipping delay prevented the bears from arriving. The Cubs did the right thing to avoid having a lot of unhappy kids -- the voucher, which you filled out with a shipping address and left with the club, said that Build-a-Bear was sending "an extra gift". We'll see what that is.

Finally, a couple of words about today's roster moves. As you know, Cesar Izturis was sent to Pittsburgh for a PTBNL; the Pirates are picking up most if not all of the remaining contract. Apparently he was one of Jim Tracy's favorites in Los Angeles, and Jack Wilson isn't, so Izturis will get his chance to show that he can still play. Jake Fox was recalled to make his ML debut, and hit into a double play as a pinch-hitter in the 9th. He's the 9th player on the current active roster who did not start the year with the ballclub. The MLB Trade Rumors post on this deal says that the Cubs have some interest in Xavier Nady -- that would give the Cubs a major league RF with a power bat who hits righthanded, an important acquisition in my opinion if Jim Hendry can make it happen. I don't think he's done dealing, from rumblings I've heard, and I have no specifics. Jacque Jones, for his part, with his four-hit day, has probably staved off being traded, at least for now.

Both Drew from Rockford and Sparkles (who had really wanted to see Barry Bonds play at least once) joined us in the bleachers today. Sparkles got her wish -- saw Bonds homer, and saw the Cubs win.

The Brewers maintained their 3.5 game lead with their 10-1 win over Arizona, and now we all root for the Giants to play their best this weekend up in Milwaukee. Onward -- this has been a productive homestand so far, with a 6-1 mark. Till tomorrow. (And sorry, I don't have time to go through the 1000+ comments in the game thread, an all-time record!)

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Could the Diamondbacks be any more pathetic???
C'mon guys.  Best you can do is 1 out of 4?!  And you're an over-500 team???
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Jul 19, 2007 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

And then the..............
..........absurd comments in the Yahoo write up:

"Dave Davison, a 39-year-old regular at Wrigley"

Let's get something straight:  This guys actually sees ZERO baseball games at Wrigley.  They paint him as some FAN who actually watches baseball.  Not true in the least.

"And it wasn't the first souvenir for Davison, who has retrieved more than 4,200 keepsake balls"

Souvenirs?  Right.  He's selling them outside the ballpark for $5 each.  Pathetic.

by tville on Jul 19, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

hilarious song
"He's only got one ball"
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Jul 20, 2007 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al
"my friend Jon said the Cubs should have walked him, forcing in a run. Maybe. That would have made the score 9-6 instead of 9-8), "

If they walked him it would have loaded the bases, not forced in a run.  He instead hit a 3 run homer, not a GS.

by cubswin on Jul 19, 2007 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

You're correct.
Yet another reason they should have walked him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 19, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bases were loaded
when Bonds singled (2 RBI) in the 3rd.  That was where one might consider intentionally walking in a run.  Though with "just" a 3-run lead, probably not.

Third base was open when he hit the 3-run HR in the 7th.

by ChipSet on Jul 19, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?
Walk him and bring up the tying run, a guy who had just hit a homer?  You can't be serious.

by cubsbak on Jul 19, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The tying run
came to the plate anyways after NOT walking Bonds
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by HoffPowahhh on Jul 19, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

True
But that's hindsight.  You never EVER intentionally walk someone to bring up the tying run late in a ballgame.

by cubsbak on Jul 19, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
Worst that could happen happened and the game wasn't tied. I can't guarantee it wouldn't have been tied if the bases had been loaded. I don't believe in playing differently just because Bonds is at bat.

by Fraggin Judge on Jul 20, 2007 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

He might be
one of the 2 or 3 players in the history of the game where you have to.
For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by HoffPowahhh on Jul 20, 2007 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

No
The odds are still in your favor that he'll make an out.  You never intentionally walk a guy to bring the tying run to the plate.  You just don't.

by cubsbak on Jul 20, 2007 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind...
... that Bonds has been, at least once in his career, intentionally walked with the bases loaded.

It was in a game that the Giants were trailing 8-6 in the bottom of the 9th, with two out and the bases loaded. Bonds was walked to make the score 8-7, and then the next hitter, Brent Mayne, made an out to end the game.

Here's the game in question. The situation yesterday wasn't comparable, and I think I'd still have walked him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a very different
situation where a hit beats you (or at least ties you) anyway.  Plus, that year the odds were better than not that he WOULDN'T make an out.  Not the case this season.  No way do you walk Bonds to bring up the tying run yesterday.

by cubsbak on Jul 20, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not.
In any case, despite the HR, the Cubs won the game, which is the most important thing.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 21, 2007 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

MAD Magazine, March 1969
had a set of cartoons, with the title, "You know you've REALLY MADE IT when...".  

And one shows a huge man with a baseball bat: "They always walk you, even when the bases are loaded."

Barry Bonds was 4 years old at the time.

by ChipSet on Jul 20, 2007 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

So the title of the recap,
"Witness to History", is in regards to the amount of posts made during the game right?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 19, 2007 5:59 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL
Nope -- because I didn't witness that! I was at the game and only found that out when I got home.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nady has some strong stats' for a minor deal
AVG .283 | HR 14 | RBI 51 | OBP .334 | SLG .487 OPS .821

There has got to be more to this PTBNL possibly a Cub to fulfill this deal. Could it be a pitcher when Dempster comes off the DL someone like Gallagher and waiting till D-Lee is off suspension by throwing in Fox as well.

Adding Nady would take DeRosa off the RF spot and put Pagan fully in CF. If Jones starts getting hot with this platoon then all is well.

Question is how well are the two PHAT guys of Ward and Floyd?        

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 19, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

We got Nady?
Wow
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Jul 19, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 19, 2007 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nady cannot be the PTBNL...
he's on the active MLB roster of the Pirates.  Only a player on the DL or in another league can be a PTBNL in a deal for an MLB player.

I'm not sure if you were speculating on that possibility or on the possibility of another trade with the Pirates, but he's certainly not involved in the Izturis deal.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2007 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is precisely what I am speculating
If the Cubs are seeking Nady, it could be part 1 of a bigger deal, the only reason I am bringing this up is MLB Rumors has.

What I find interesting is Hendry as made three trades under the radar and had Jones traded without the rumor mill knowing it.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 20, 2007 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our friend jacob at the other BCB....
...made a fascinating little comment:

"When you spend $300 million in the off season, don't you expect to be able to, in an important AB, be able to send someone out there with some success above A ball? That franchise is in tatters."

Boy do I love tatters. It smells like... victory.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Tatters?????????
jacob is delusional. It ain't our team that's blown a 9 game lead down to 3.5. Quite the opposite.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Jul 19, 2007 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He obviously forgot what "Tatters"
is. He must be thinking -- "taters." After all, Barry Bonds is coming to his cheesy part of the world.

"Tatters" would be the:

Milwaukee Brewers from 1983 to 2006, as run by Bud Selig. Try to find some Divisional Titles, and wild card wins in that stretch, in both leagues.

This is what happens when fans panic.

Or perhaps they just crunch too many numbers over there.

 

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mmmmmmmmmmm... unexplained taters....

TATER TOT CASSEROLE     

1 can cream of mushroom soup
1 bag tater tots
shredded cheese
1 lb of ground hamburger meat
serves: 6 or 7

Brown hamburger meat. Add cream of mushroom soup and stir together continuously.

Let simmer on low heat for 15 minutes.

Place mixture in the bottom of a casserole dish. Lay tater tots neatly on top of the mixture.

Place in oven on 350' and let the tater tots brown.

Sprinkle with cheese; melt it in the oven and ENJOY.

by salparadise23 on Jul 19, 2007 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!
I do NOT bake that well!  All of my spud cousins will avenge me!  - Tater01

lol

Proudly waving the Cubbie Blue in the middle of redbird inbreds!

by Tater01 on Jul 19, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hot Dish
In parts of the great northern plains, they'd call your tater tot casserole "Hot Dish"

Maybe that's why there is this confusion over "tatters"

Languishing in Card Country.

by evillecubman on Jul 20, 2007 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of Cubs hate
over there. Sure we want the brewers to loss but there is not as must Brewer bad talk here and there is Cubs hate at the other BCB

by NIUcubbie on Jul 19, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is not as much Brewer bad talk here
That's because we're more focused on the WINNING of the the Cubs and taking care of the business at hand.   :-)
"Welcome to Lou's Blue Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Jul 19, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
I don't need to bash other teams. However, that first inning of the Giants today was horrid. That's obvious.

It's those smaller markets that love to bash the big, bad markets. Milwaukee bashes Chicago. Chicago could care less.

San Diego bashes LA. Nobody cares there. (And of course, there are always cheap shots at Cubs fans at gaslamp ball.

By the way -- somebody here posted that if they caught the record breaking HR -- they'd write 'Cheater' on it and throw it back.

That same thought popped up on Gaslampball today.
What a coincidence!!

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure they hate us
We are kicking ass and taking names while the wagons are circling Miller Park against the unforgiving and unmerciful Cubs onslaught in the NL Central.

Sure, we don't care about the Brewers as much as they apparently care about us, and that pisses them off even more.

Let them have their hate - we have the hottest team in major league baseball since early June!

by JFCubFan on Jul 19, 2007 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers
I think the east and west will beat each other up and there's a very good chance both the Cubs and Brewers make the playoffs.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Jul 19, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

after this fun bantering this could be correct
Figure that the East will have three teams contending and possibly four teams contending in the West.

The thing Cubs are playing almost .700 ball since June 3rd they keep this pace for another 6 weeks, Cubs will have a record somewhere near 75-78 wins and unless Milwaukee keeps a similar pace Cubs will overtake them regardless.

Milwaukee has two serious problems, they lost their CF until mid to late August and now their ace until at least August.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 20, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

The ever-popular "300 million dollars"
statement.

Do they not understand that the Cubs payroll is not even in the top 5 this year? That statement is as relevant as me walking up to you and saying "Wow, you're going to make, like, over a million bucks in your lifetime! You're rich!"

Mmmm, trendy Brewer fans with their constant Sportscenter watching. I get jealous just thinking about it.

"man, Marmol is just disgusting...nasty, filthy, dirty, unke[m]pt, slimey...whatever, but he's pitching very good" -DTJchris and buck[m]ulligan

by NittanyCub on Jul 20, 2007 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me, the funny thing here...
...was watching a Brewers fan make fun of the Cubs for using a guy out of AA. Where the hell did they think Yovani Gallardo came from; he didn't just descend down from heaven. And they all start to get weak in the knees, tighten up their corsets and touch up their makeup at the very mention of him. It's irony, folks.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 20, 2007 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also...
How long do they think Prince Fielder will be making $400,000.  When his small base contract is up you bet he is going to get Soriano money - if not with the brewers someone else...so lets not make fun of the Cubs payroll.

I actually had a Brewer fan make fun of our payroll to me, and he was saying crap like ooo Soriano working out well for ya huh?  And then he pulled out the Prior and Wood situation and what a bust they have been.  All i replied with was Ben Sheets...  At least we got a few playoff games out of Wood and Prior.

by HIGGY on Jul 20, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

FYI, I don't see any problem
with HGH. There have been plenty of case studies with this stuff. Some researchers think in-the-not-too-distant-future, this might be available by Rx, because it works. (There are some side effects, from what I have read in Science and Health mags, but there's no "HGH rage.")

And, haven't we seen the "HGH Stimulators" available at health food stores and advertised on informercials? (If you haven't -- check your nearest Whole Foods or similar store. To slam BB for using this stuff is kind of hypocritical.

HGH -- might have a future.
But 'roids -- they'll kill ya.

LF should have yelled: "CREAM!"

RF should have yelled: "CLEAR!"

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2007 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

why???
do we need another right fielder. we have some very very serviceable rf's. derosa,ward, and floyd when healthy are all fine rf's. what we need is a center fielder cough cough kenny lofton. then we need to tweak the pen a bit and i think we have as good a chance as anyone has or is gonna have. one more thing i'm not asking i'm begging anyone that has one of today's give-a-aways and doesnt want it, i would love to have it. if you have one available please shoot me an email at awestbrook22@yahoo.com. thanks in advance and go cubbies!!
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 19, 2007 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

1000+ comments in the game thread...
...an all-time record!

I mentioned earlier in the game thread:
Today's posting count record and an all-time 4-game attendance record set on the same day.

And Bonds' first ever multi-HR game was ironically against the Cubbies right there in Wrigley back in '87...

And then he does it again today....

Just some baseball / Cubbie weird-isms...
And an incredible day all around!

But I'll take any Cubbies win over a 'roid-pumped, over-inflated, egotistical dick-wadd's shameful attempt at history any day....

And I think it would be a total gut-buster of a laugh if the committee totally snubs him getting into the HOF....
Hey....it COULD happen....    :-)

Go Cubbies!!

"Welcome to Lou's Blue Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Jul 19, 2007 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Getting Nady
 would be a great move. Would have to give something decent, Gallagher? to get him, however we are talking the Pirates here.
 Cubs need to understand that Floyd won't play more than 30 games from here out, and need a solid outfielder.
 So with the Izturis move Cubs get a player to be named later for Maddux, great. Funny how the Hendry guys are finding the door, Barrett, Izzy, and maybe Jones.
 I know Mariotti can be a jerk, but his story on Z was good today. Cubs need to sign Z. This has Maddux written all over it. When the New York Teams get involed, there is no limit.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Jul 19, 2007 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

The only
thing the same about the Maddox and Z thing is this. They are both free agents at years end. Other than that, I don't see it. The only reason Maddox left was because Himes was a jerk.

"When the NY teams get involved, there is not limit". True to some extend, but the Cubs just shelled out buko bucks for Soriano. So on another blog you might see " When the Cubs get involved there is no limit". Food for thought.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 19, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't get my head around this
I don't think we need to trade for position players. I still think our number one priority should be relief. Eyre and Ohman just can't seem to cut it. I can't, though, figure out how we go about changing that.

phat

by phatass on Jul 19, 2007 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

My friend Dave says...
... the Cubs might even think about getting starting pitching.

And if they do, know who I think they should go after?

Jon Garland. He's probably available. Wouldn't it be poetic -- not to mention helpful in a baseball way -- to get him back, nine years later?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 19, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN's Jayson Stark...
...says Garland isn't on the market, just Contreras from the Sox.

It's an exceedingly slim market for starting pitching right now, and I doubt the difference between what we have and what we could get is worth anything close to what we'd have to pay.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see starting pitching
At the same time, though, it doesn't even seem worth it. Who would we trade for Garland?

We've got Floyd and Ward hurt. How do we trade a strong position player (or two) for him. We've got Pie, Patterson, Cedeno Etc.

I don't think we can get rid of anybody right now. This doesn't actually bother me. We've got a pretty good 40 man roster right now. This team is winning.

Everybody seems to be stepping up at different points. All trades are a gamble. Keeping some of these guys, like Jones, I think is less of a gamble.

I say, unless there's some pretty crazy good trade for a couple of prospects (not any of the guys who have played in Chicago this year, who have all had an impact) let's just stick with what we've got.

Is this silly?

phat

by phatass on Jul 19, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree
the one thing that could really squash the Cubs chances, is if Marshall, Hill and Marquis don't have a solid finish.  Adding a bat is great, but a solid 1-5 in the rotation would be the difference maker.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 19, 2007 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Relief Pitching Please
I've said this here several times before and I still belive this to be true. If the Cubs are to win those crucial games down the stretch they're going to need better Relief Pitching from the pen. As of today, I think the bullpen has overachieved since our hot streak began. I dont understand how any of us can feel comfortable with Ohman, Weurtz, Gallagher, Petrick, Eyre, even Dempster (who knows how he'll come back from the DL).

As much as I would love to have a power hitting everyday RF'er, lets get our priorities straight people!

"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Jul 20, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only legit
closer available is Gagne. And after watching a few of his last games, he's a far cry from the dominator of old. The numbers make him look better than he is.

He's Dempster-esque, he really is. Just with better numbers. Time was, 8 pitches -- game over.
One of his last saves...I tried to count....hits, walks....foul balls.....40+ pitches. Really.
Amazingly long 9th against the weak A's.

He's just another closer now, and I'd be careful in acquiring him, unless his arrival means Eyre goes....

But, having both Gagne/Dempster as a 2-headed closer isn't a bad idea. I'd never re-sign the guy to a long-term deal, tho.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I think
you might already have a "two headed closer" with Howry and Dempster. Throw Marmol into the mix and I think if the starters get us to the 7th inning, you have a good mix to take us home.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 19, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dempster, Howry, Marmol...
and an outside chance at seeing Wood join the team in September.  That's a solid back end of the bullpen.  If we only had functional lefty specialists, I'd be really ecstatic about such a bullpen.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't count
Eyre or Ohman out just yet. Granted their past years have been much better. I am hoping that still they recapture those times.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 19, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not...
I'm just saying we've gotten spotty (at best) performances from our LH specialists.  They certainly have the capability of pitching better, if their past numbers are any indication.  But presently, they have been stinking.

If they did figure it out, look out.  Dempster, Howry, Marmol, Wood (or Petrick if Wood isn't healthy), and a functional Eyre or Ohman (or both), I'd be VERY satisfied.  But, that's a big "if."

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2007 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

lefties..
Is Neal Cotts just THAT bad? He had a good season last year and has been at Iowa most of the season this year. I haven't looked at his stats at Iowa, but could he be worse than Eyre?

by bikemonkey on Jul 19, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

NEVER count on Ohman
A loogy who, for his career, averages almost 5 walks per 9IP has "unreliable" written all over it. There has to be someone out there better. Somewhere ?

by scotteboy on Jul 19, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

cotts
That's why I was bringing up Cotts. Like I said, I haven't looked at his Iowa stats, but I can't believe a guy that was briefly talked about for the starting rotation during spring training, could be worse than Eyre or Ohman. Just trying to see if there is someone already in the Cubs system that could help out.

by bikemonkey on Jul 19, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neal Cotts is on the DL.
Rocky Cherry, a lefty relief specialist, just came off the DL and threw two scoreless innings tonight at Iowa. Or the team could bring up, well, Carmen Pignatiello. I'm kinda high on him, personally. In case people hadn't noticed yet.
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by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cherry's a rightie
Perhaps you were thinking of Rapada ?

by scotteboy on Jul 19, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um... probably.
Could you tell my baby to go to sleep before I make that sort of screwup again?
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by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn
I wish I could do the same and blame my not realizing Cotts was on the DL on my kid. But I don't have kids. I'll blame it on the beer then.

by bikemonkey on Jul 20, 2007 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blaming the beer is a proud tradition...
...among baseball fans, and more than a few baseball players. You're in good company.
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by cwyers on Jul 20, 2007 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK
Baby, go to sleep! Don't let the bed bugs bite! LOL

by Fraggin Judge on Jul 20, 2007 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh but
they (Cubs) are trying to make us count on him again. I just read where he has made his third appearance and could be back with the club by months end. Here we go again. I agree, don't count on him.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 20, 2007 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think..
... anyone is counting on Wood. There is some hope he can return, and that's being reported in the MSM, and discussed here.

But no one is "counting" on anything. If he returns and throws well, that's an unexpected bonus, not an expectation.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed of course
But even if he does return, there is nothing for sure he will pitch effectively. Again we can only hope.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 20, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut...
... what would be the point of bringing him back unless he can pitch effectively? I don't think Lou Piniella is in the business of warm-fuzzy nostalgia.

He wants to win. If Wood can help him win, he'll be on the team. If not, he won't.

That's as it should be.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like the
yabbut. Yabbut, it might not be determined until after he is up if he can pitch well. Let us say he cruises through his rehab in the minors. He is up with the parent club. His first couple of outings are awful. He feels great and all, but he is not getting them out. What is a Lou to do at that point? I understand this is nothing more than speculation, but if anything it is good fodder.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Jul 20, 2007 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

listening to the cardinals game....
chris carpenter to have tommy john surgery, out 12-18 months.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 19, 2007 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it safe to say now that
he will never be the pitcher he used to be?
Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 19, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Rotoworld.com
 Chris Carpenter will undergo Tommy John surgery and miss the rest of the season.

How's that five-year extension looking now? The Cardinals gave Carpenter a $63.5 million deal last winter, even though he was already under control through 2008. Maybe he'll come back and be something worth close to that. However, as many arm problems as he's had over the course of his career, there's just no guarantee that he'll ever again be a dominant starter. Tommy John surgery will put him out through at least the All-Star break. It's probably about 60-40 that he'll come back and make a positive impact over the final two months of 2008.

Bring Back Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 19, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well... they worked him till his arm fell off
after they knew it already fell off before.
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by SackMan on Jul 19, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

kinda like
the two who won't be named
Dinosaurs? "Didn't exist. You can't say there were dinosaurs when you never saw them." -Carl Everett

by NDcubsfan on Jul 19, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on
As much as I dislike the Cardinals, you can't be serious in your "pitched him until his arm falls off" comment.  Pitchers do what they're paid to do...pitch.  Carpenter took the ball as often as he could, as long as he could.  His arm injury is simply an occupational hazard of throwing a baseball every fifth day in the major leagues.  No blame can be given to anyone.  Same for Wood, same for Prior.  It just happens.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 20, 2007 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Loud sustained applause
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Jul 20, 2007 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Over at VEB
they are talking about signing Zambrano now that Carpenter is on the shelf for the next year or more.  Ha ha, good luck guys, if Z doesn't sign with the Cubs (which I believe he will), he'll probably sign with a team that will be contender for atleast the next couple years.  
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 19, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or at least to a team with deep pockets...
the Cards are not known for spending top dollar on free agents.  If Zambrano isn't playing for the Cubs, I don't see how he's not in a NY (Mets or Yanks) or Anaheim uniform, with the Mets being the most likely secondary destination.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...
...have the Cardinals gotten screwed lately or what?

First they spend no money in free agency after the World Series win, losing (amongst others) Jeff Suppan, thereby wrecking their chance at a repeat before it even started.  Okay, fine, but at least they saved money for free agency next year, when Mark Buehrle will be on the market.

Oops. Buehrle (he of the life-long Cardinals fandom) resigns with the White Sox in the middle of a disastrous season for the hometown discount.

And now Carpenter is out for probably 2-3 years when you factor in recovery time, if he ever returns at all.  And Scott Rolen is getting older, and Jim Edmonds is already old....

Boy, isn't schadenfreude fun?

by Chadnudj on Jul 19, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not true.
They spent four million on Kip Wells, for one year. They gave Kennedy 10 million over three years. They made the Neifi Mistake: mildly overpay proven mediocrity, not wildly overpay proven averageness or even goodness.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...
... Z's not going to the Cardinals. As you point out, they have, in their free agent signing, either overpaid for mediocrities or signed players far past their primes (what were they thinking, re-signing Edmonds this year?).

They have NEVER signed a top-tier free agent like Z will be if he doesn't re-sign with the Cubs (and I think he will).

I might add, Ted Lilly's signing with the Cubs looks pretty damn good right now, doesn't it?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 19, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

the entire FA signings look good right now
Marquis hot/cold is still looking pretty good and it appears he is gravitating to the lower part of the rotation rating. Soriano is one of the league leaders in runs scored, (ultimately the test for any lead off hitter), DeRosa is 2nd or 3rd on the club in RBI's and OBP and playing where he is needed, and Lilly is now 10-4 next to Z's 12-7 (22-11) while the lefties are .500 while providing quality starts.
Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 20, 2007 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

seems like they got that world series
at the right time. i can't really feel sorry for them.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 19, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've had to miss the last 2 games
and its killing me! I shouldnt have to miss anymore for a while now! Great win today, seems like the bullpen didn't hold up, but hey we still won, and I would love to have Nady!
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jul 19, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Again..
Wood had a good outing in the AZL this afternoon.  Started the game, through 7 pitches, 7 strikes.  At least two were breaking balls and hit 95 mph.  Hopefully it will keep going.
 On an unrelated note...did it bother (though not surprise) anyone else that the entire ESPN frontpage has been a huge picture of Barry touting his two homeruns, but nowhere in the front page does one see any evidence of the Cubbies beating the Giants...
Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Jul 19, 2007 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Bonds affects every baseball fan...
...as you can tell from the fact that he's discussed on every baseball website. The guy had a monster day and he's chasing the most hallowed record in sports. So yeah, I can see how ESPN would make that the lead. For a national audience, talking about the Cubs first would bury the lead.

So I think we can let them slide on this one, despite their noted West Coast bias.

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by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got
no problem with them making him the headline, but in the byline underneath they could have written something like "Bonds homered (722 and 723) but the Giants still lost to the Cubs"  Just saying, it was a powerful game all around, but I understand Bonds was the headline to national audiences.
Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Jul 19, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bonds' HR have historical significance...
Those HR are much more newsworthy than a regular season win for a playoff contender over a bottom feeder.

Honestly - outside of Brewers and Cubs fans (and maybe Giants fans, although who knows at this point?), does anyone REALLY care about the outcome of today's game?

On the other hand, people everywhere are keeping track of the HR race.  I don't think it's a slap in the face of the Cubs.  This is what happens when a player closes on one of the most famous records in sports.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting
This is interesting because he pitched Tuesday so he has almost pitched backtoback days.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Jul 19, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

But as I posted earlier
That's OK.

The Cubs, although playing the best ball in the NL are still a second place team. I say just sneak up on everybody.

Again, I will post:

If you went up to 10 very casual baseball fans (not in Chicago or Milwaukee) and asked them:

"How many games have the Cubs won?"

I can (almost) guarantee you 2 might actually know they've won 50 games. Most would think they've lost 50 games, because, after all -- they're the Cubs. You know, the goat, the curse, etc etc ad nauseum.

Just let things be. When the Cubs win, it becomes larger than life and Fox trots out the goat. I don't want to see that crap until the WORLD SERIES.

We're winning. Shhhhhhhh!

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We cant get Nady
If I'm correct it will not be possible for us to get Nady.

If a team receives a PTBNL, the player must not have been playing in the league to which he is being sent at the time of the trade (e.g. if the Red Sox receive a PTBNL, the player may not have been playing in the American League at the time of the trade). This rule was instituted after Harry Chiti was traded for himself in 1962 (he was traded from the Indians to the Mets for a PTBNL, which turned out to be himself). As a result, PTBNL's are usually minor leagues. Sometimes, teams will use players on the disabled list as players to be named so as to avoid having to get special permission from the commissioner's office.

Heres the link

http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/MLB_Rules_and_Procedures#Player_to_be_Named_Later

Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jul 19, 2007 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

You are correct...
the PTBNL must either be in a different league or he must be on the DL.  He cannot be an active player in the same league as the player traded for.

I don't think we'd be getting Nady in any case, but I can guarantee that he will not be the PTBNL.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be interested to see who we get.
Hey Chicago Waddya Say? The Cubs are gunna win today!- Steve Goodman

by aduck6992 on Jul 19, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, just a minute here.
Maybe Nady can't be the PTBNL for Izturis. But nothing's stopping the Cubs and Pirates making a separate deal for Nady, with a "wink, wink" that the two deals are somehow related.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 19, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...
that COULD be the case.  But Nady is a lot more valuable than Izturis.  So any future deal in which we would get Nady would have to include quite a bit in return.

I think it's a reach to think that the Izturis deal has any implications on us getting Nady, other than that it shows lines of communication are open between Hendry and Pittsburgh.

by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2007 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

could be a player from list A or list B
list B is if the Cubs bring a package for Nady or if not from list A....

Now, as for Izturis Cubs paid for August and July but then the Pirates are on the hook for '08...

They also want to trade Wilson

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 20, 2007 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

PTBNL a minor-leaguer
Pittsburgh paper says the PTBNL is one of a list of 5-10 minor leaguers, probably a pitcher.

Pirates are on the hook for $277K of Izturis' salary; Cubs are paying the rest.

by NTNgod on Jul 19, 2007 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know of other PTBNL
we have received and if any of them have been of any substance?
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Jul 19, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

The L means later
So we won't find out til later :)

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 19, 2007 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Daryle Ward is gettingan MRI...
...and could head back to the DL, sayeth the Tribune. Cedeno and Pie are mentioned as the likely callups.
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by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

what
about floyd did he get hurt too

by tbizzle83 on Jul 19, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did Lou last shave?
He looked pretty damn scruffy there at the postgame news conference.

by JFCubFan on Jul 19, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

i
loved the hustle of the cubs in the 1st inning too. a-ram also

by tbizzle83 on Jul 19, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

And again Al forgets the "rally" donut.
Unlike yesterday, today Jeff DID eat it and I swear both times including JUST before Lilly got a hit , it worked. Bad new is that Jeff will not be at the games for the next 3 and we have to find one them pink glazed suckers as the local 7/11 was out again. If we find one Al will have to
"sacrifice" and eat it ( or some of  it) in Jeff's absense.

However Marquis vs Webb. Be afraid, be very, very afraid. What is the over/under on Eyre pitching tomorrow ?

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jul 19, 2007 10:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I did forget.
Jessica's right. The donut was, in fact, eaten by Jeff, who cannot make it this weekend.

I will take one for the team. If I can find the Official Simpsons Movie Donut this morning, I will bring one and consume it in the bleachers.

Whatever it takes.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

re we going to be in trouble
in two weeks when the 7-11 promo ends? ;)
One of Us!One Of Us!

by HerrProf on Jul 20, 2007 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
... we could get extra donuts and freeze them...
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then you'd really be taking one for the team
They'd probaly taste horrible a month after being frozen.  But hey! Whatever keeps the team winning!

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 20, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

J Jones blunder...
In spite of his four hits today and everyone on BCB jumping back on the JJ-bandwagon, I would like to point out that he did make a base running blunder once again today as he ran himself into a double play on a lineout to the pitcher.  It was NOT a hit & run.  

Are we forgetting that the reason you have to "sell JJ" is as much for his many mental errors as opposed to his poor hitting?  I am hoping he gets that BA over 250 so we can get something better for him, but I still want him gone,  The mental errors won't stop...Lou knows it too.  That is why he wanted Barrett and Jones off the club since early June.

by LAcarl519 on Jul 19, 2007 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

it was a shot
by kendall, and on line drives you are always told to freeze until you see what happened. he just got unlucky. why the bashing? he went 4-5
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by NDcubsfan on Jul 19, 2007 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Chance
I was at the game today, Jones had no chance to get back to the bag after his secondary lead, a line drive was caught by the pitcher and he was at least ten foot from first.
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by Imtrejo on Jul 19, 2007 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.
Sometimes players get frozen and caught off base. Yes, Jones has made dumb baserunning plays in the past. This wasn't one of them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2007 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

nope
that was no base running error.
Gotta play fair, man.
You can't blame JJ for everything that's wrong in the world ;-)

by wpronk on Jul 19, 2007 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

But we NEED him now...
He's raised his average 40 points in 10 days...let's take what what you can get. Anyway, I thought Lou put Jones in motion there, expecting contact -- well, it happened, but it was a liner right back at the pitcher. Had (I've forgotten the batter) NO contact been made, Jones might have had an easy steal of second.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2007 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes
I agree.

phat

by phatass on Jul 19, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, so he's having a "hot" month...
...hitting all of .261. Yay, league-average performance! He's still going through a massive power outage. Let's say that this month is more representative of his performance than last month. He still hasn't shown any ability to hit a fly ball with any sort of authority, and that absolutely kills his value. Hitting .260 with the occasional double is fine if you're a solid defensive shortstop, but it's murder on a team if you're an outfielder, even a center fielder. And that still doesn't account for his drastic platoon split.
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by cwyers on Jul 19, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jones has to go
a)whether he froze or not, he would not have gotten back in time, so for argument sake let's just say on this particular bang-bang play it didn't matter...he would have been out.  I'll grant all of you that.

b) are all of you willing to forgive the 15-20 bone head base-running plays that Jones has made in the the last two seasons and you want his rally killing  base-running skills still on this team?

I still say cheer on the improved hitting and move him. This team does not need players who lack good playing instincts and Jones has proven he lacks good player instincts. Adios. The whole reason the Cubs are playing so well now is we are eliminating mental errors...and the players who make them (Barrett, Jones, etc...).

by LAcarl519 on Jul 20, 2007 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not disagreeing with you....
But your point a) shows that it wasn't his fault. If he would have been out either way, then what should he have done, not take a lead?

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 20, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

...On July 20th (1976)
It would be fitting if he hit 2 tomorrow.

by coral on Jul 20, 2007 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fitting would be...
...if he woke up tomorrow morning with the same mysterious hip problem that Bo Jackson developed, and he never played another MLB game. That would truly be poetic justice.

He is an arrogant, self-serving, pompous ass who epitomizes everything that is wrong with certain athletes today in professional sports - he treats fans, media, other players, like absolute crap. He has never understood how great his life truly is.

And, see, I didn't even get to PEDs.

:)

"And Cubs fans: Play nice or go home." - Jeff Sackmann

by ilovepie on Jul 20, 2007 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it would be best if....
he hit 754 and then announced his retirement from the game; conceding to the fact that he could never be as great a player as Hank Aaron.

by coral on Jul 20, 2007 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

selig
It would make it look a lot worse if Seling were not to attend. I'm not really sure how I feel about the whole thing, but at least it puts some pressure on Seling to say why he wasn't there if it happened at his own park.

by bikemonkey on Jul 20, 2007 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The best part of Bonds hitting 755 and 756
is that this hoopla will be done and over with.  I got a sneaky feeling he will retire right afterwards (I think he can?)  He has taken so much crap.  I'm torn about it too, but I'm willing to bet that a whole lot of other guys were doing roids.  It's a sad part of the games history.  How do you roll it back or make it right? You can't.

by coral on Jul 20, 2007 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting Wood read:
'Lost Wood Recovery'

Not getting my hopes up, just hoping for good things to happen to both Wood and this team. Karma is a very powerful thing.

:)

"And Cubs fans: Play nice or go home." - Jeff Sackmann

by ilovepie on Jul 20, 2007 12:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Bonds proved he's the greatest of his generation.
Barry Bonds hit two monster shots today at Wrigley, against the wind and without steroids. That proves that he can hit those shots without the stuff. We should appreciate the history we're seeing unfold.

Did Bonds use steroids and HGH in the past? Probably. But let's not forget that he wasn't the only one. What about the pitchers who faced Bonds and used those illegal substances? Are we going to deny their existence? Are we going to give them a free pass?

Let's face it. Bonds' reputation is bad, in part because of his personality but also, in part, because the media, in general, don't like him. They portray him in an unfavorable light and have succeeded in making Bonds a villain to our eyes. The media did the same to Sosa after he did what his lawyer recommended in a congressional hearing, that is to avoid answering in a less than perfect English and to rely in his native language to avoid any possibility of a misleading answer that could come back to haunt him. yet many in the media started joking that Sosa forgot how to speak English!

Bonds, old, hurting and without any substances in his aching body, proved today that he is a great hitter. Other players were lesser human beings than Bonds but are in the Hall of Fame. Can't we give Barry Bonds the recognition -along with the criticism- that he has earned?

by Fraggin Judge on Jul 20, 2007 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with your general premise.
Bonds is a first ballot hall of famer. He's an inner circle guy, before the suspicion of steroids.

However, I am not going to make the assumption that there is not an impure substance running through his veins. To be quite honest, I imagine that he's taking steroids, currently, because he knows he's not going to called out in the media by Bud Selig. Selig wants nothing to do with more controversy. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory.

However, regardless of any of the lingering suspicion, probable or not, Barry Bonds is one of the best players to ever play the game. The balls he hit today, against what looked to be a blistering wind, may or may not have been aided in their distance.

THe thing that pisses me off about bonds the most is the football uniform he wears. If pitchers could throw fastballs at him to get his ass off of the plate, things might be a different.

BAN PLATE ARMOR!

by jmw676 on Jul 20, 2007 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bonds is tested constantly.
Believe me, if Bonds were caught using something ilegal, Bud Selig would be pleased to suspend him immediately. Selig hasn't been able to catch Bonds, although Bonds is constantly and "randomly" tested . Remember when Bonds left the game for almost a year to "rehab his knee"? He was also letting time clean his veins.

In addition, one of the things steroids do for an athlete is it helps the muscles stay healthy. Bonds' injuries and constant aches during the past couple of years are a sign that he is clean now.

Anyway, I'm glad that we agree that Bonds is a great player, steroid use notwithstanding.

by Fraggin Judge on Jul 20, 2007 1:49 AM CDT reply actions  

On what basis
can you state he is being tested constantly? The testing is random and Selig has made certain that the standards are not so high as to embarrass him and baseball by having players caught often enough to re-arouse the  attention of Congress.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 20, 2007 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

A few things...
  1. I'm not sure how often Bonds is actually tested.  Tests are random (i.e., not everyone gets tested), and it's not been stated how often they are administered at all.
  2. Tests specifically don't catch HGH, which is a possibility for Bonds to be taking.
  3. It is widely believed that the scientists who make the good stuff are always a step or two ahead of the tests.  I'm sure that if Bonds is taking, he's taking stuff that is state-of-the-art and currently undetectable.

by SouthernCub on Jul 20, 2007 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barry
Barry Bonds is the greatest !baseball player! of the ^^moddern era^^

!Steroid User!
^^Steroid Era^^

hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 20, 2007 7:21 AM CDT reply actions  

The suggested reading
of yesterday's game thread at McCovey Chronicles was amusing.  Both times Bonds hit a jack, there was "Take that!"  or "Yeah, F**kers!" or something of that variety.  

Take what?  3 out of 4?  

Take what?  A Hall of Fame career that has become a complete and total sham?

Take what?  A glorified AAA team trying to play big-league ball?

Maybe I don't get it.  

"5-8-8, 2-3-hundred, Empire!"

by SyneRandberg on Jul 20, 2007 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

As an addendum,
let me ask why the blatant support for Bonds in SF?  

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was long off the Sammy Sosa bandwagon after 'roid suspicion, corked bat, that ridiculous hop, etc.  

By the time he left Wrigley, I was definitely over him simply because of the way he had treated the game.  

You really don't see that in SF with BB.

"5-8-8, 2-3-hundred, Empire!"

by SyneRandberg on Jul 20, 2007 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's all they've had
With the exception of the '02 team. Every other big name player they've had is gone.
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Jul 20, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would say
probably because they have nothing else to cheer for. Their team stinks, they're not going anywhere this season, so they at least get to cheer for Bonds. Plus, he's their guy. I'm guessing he would get a lot of support at home no matter what city he played in (except maybe for Philly, they treat all of their players like crap).

by qccub on Jul 20, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Philly
They really suck. Losing 1-0 to the Pads last night.
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Jul 20, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

the freebaseballradio
was good while it lasted...did it crap out for anyone else today?
To Matt Murton - the biggest, baddest, hairiest, most testosterone filled S.O.B to ever put on a cubs uniform

by cubsirishkillme on Jul 20, 2007 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

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