Cedeno called up

by tharr on Jul 24, 2007 2:08 AM CDT Comment 51 comments

As has been rumored, Cedeno was recalled from Iowa to fill the spot formerly held by Izturis. While he's not as hot as he was a few weeks ago, he still has great numbers .360/.424/.966. However, the past 10 games have included only 1 XBH and 1 BB along with 10 K.

Here's his current stats link http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Ronny%20Cedeno&pos=SS&sid=t451& ;t=p_pbp&pid=430592

It appears Fox is the odd man out.

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hopefully he does well

he seems like a decent enough kid and it'd be cool to see yet another one of the kids have an impact this season.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Jul 24, 2007 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Any word on the trade front

I seem to remember yesterday some people saying the cubs were in the process of picking up XNady from the buccs. Has anybody heard anything today.
Would that mean we get to hear BB try to come up with words that start with X some more, Classic,

When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 24, 2007 7:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think a bit misleading...

The day Izturis was traded, someone posted that someone had rumored the Cubs were interested in Nady. Some people here ran with that rumor, assuming there was some loose connection with the Izturis trade.

I haven't seen anything since then to suggest that the Cubs are actually in the process of getting Nady. I think that was just a rumor floated about, without much (if any) substance behind it.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

correct but Cubs remain looking for a RF'er

The next week or so the Cubs are going to try to make a trade for another RH'ed-RF'er. The published reports have it that the following are available:

Jermaine Dye or Jeff Conine or Xavier Nady
but also there are CF'ers who could move possibly play RF...

Torii Hunter or Aaron Rowand or Eric Byrnes.

When you parce this list Dye we know is available, Conine could easily be had, Nady will take a solid trade...

As for Hunter it will mean that Minnesota will cash it in knowing that Detroit and Clevelang are too much this year for them, the same for Philadelphia who traded Abreu and then contended, but then there is AZ who cannot sign Byrnes and has dropped like a rock going 5-13 in the deep NL-West.

My humble opinion is that Dye would be the most logical insertion, but Hunter or Byrnes could be bigger difference makers. Nady is a nice touch especially if Hendry and Piniella stay for the longer haul.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 24, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really hope

the Cedeno call up doesn't mean that Theriot will be part time. The kid has earned his spot as the starting SS IMO. Please don't mess with something that has worked a lot lately.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 24, 2007 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

For exactly the reason you state...

... I think the job is Theriot's. Cedeno is up to back up both Theriot and DeRosa at 2B (along with Fontenot).

I'm surprised Fox is the one going down, since he and Moore are similar hitters, and Fox can catch.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jul 24, 2007 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theriot can't play EVERY DAY

despite his youth and enthusiasm needs a break here and there...cedeno has some pop will help the team down the stretch good move I always liked him despite his struggles.

If he excels could be good trade bait in off-season.

by writerinwrigley on Jul 24, 2007 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yawn

Cedeno doesn't have "pop". He may have hit a few HR's in the minors but he's shown exactly zero ability to hit major league pitching. Add his woeful defense and his entirely suspect baseball instincts and he belongs anchored to the bench right next to Gerald Perry.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Hendry is missing an opportunity to trade Ronny at his peak value. I hope I'm wrong, but I think his minor league flashy numbers are a mirage. Cedeno just strikes me a moron, and has no business being on a major league roster.

He'll probably have a productive start or two, perhaps even hit one deep. This will be followed by a 0 for 20 streak.

Go Riverhawks!

by Neifi Puppy on Jul 24, 2007 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ronny Cedeno and Jacque Jones...

...have hit the same number of home runs in the majors this year. His isolated slugging from his earlier major league appearance this year was a gaudy .226. I know, I know - 24 year old shortstops have absolutely no of improving; only aging veterans have the ability to get better. But seriously, if Cedeno showed anything earlier this year, it was pop.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 24, 2007 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed...

I don't understand why people refuse to accept that players in their early-mid 20s can actually get better.

I doubt Cedeno will ever be a slugger, but he has shown substantially more "pop" this season than in previous seasons.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Cedeno

has to be concerned about showing pop. What he needs to do, is have fewer of those AB's where he looks like he is completely overmatched.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's easy

For the same reason that people believe that players without major league skills will improve simply because they haven't advanced past the age of 30. Take a look at Division I college baseball...good players abound. But not players capable of producing major league numbers. You know, like Cedeno. And none of them have hit 30 yet to my knowledge.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The elite Division one programs

are about equivalent to AA minor league ball. At least when I played at a top 10 program years ago, that is what the scouts would say.

Your comment is correct. The major adjustment between AA, AAA and the bigs is many times mental. A lot of these guys have the physicial skills (hand eye, quickness, etc.) they just have trouble matching those physicial skills with their head when they go up a level of play.

It's an interesting phenomenon, and is why so many great prospects never do anything in the bigs.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

...as I also played at one of those programs 15 years ago. And the interesting part about the phenomenon is how guys like Ryan Braun seemingly "slide" to fifth in the draft and at the beginning of the year are only touted among the top 20 or so prospects. Obviously, Braun is as hot as he's ever going to get but how would college pitchers even get him out the way he's swinging it right now?

So yes, even the good prospets will improve as they climb the ladder but just as likely there are good prospects that will be selling insurance five years later.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the beauty of baseball

is what goes on inside that grey matter, and is why the draft can really be a crap shoot. You just don't know who's light is going to go on when they get the opportunity, and who's won't, and the that is what seperates average players from the elite.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So you think mental aspects can't be learned...

after 22? That's ridiculous.

Not all players under the age of 30 will get better. Conversely, not all players have peaked at 23. The mental and physical aspects of baseball can take different amounts of time for different players.

It could very well be that Cedeno was immature and tried to do too much in his first go-round in the bigs, and that that resulted in him making numerous bonehead mistakes. If that's the case, then hopefully time and a second chance will allow him to calm down and let his ability take over. It could also be that he's just inherently dumb, and will never progress and will always be a AAAA player.

I'm able to realize that both are a possibility, although I feel that numbers like his in AAA tend to translate to decent MLB numbers. You seem unwilling to accept that he could be anything other than his 23 year old form.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Going purely on numbers...OK, and my own evaluation of Cedeno in the big leagues...the odds are certainly not in his favor that he's all of a sudden mastered the nuances of smart baseball in the 3 months he's been in Des Moinse, Iowa. Call me crazy but that's just a hunch.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's look

at Ronny Cedeño's PECOTA projection at the start of the season.

.270/.307/.400.

Not wonderful, but I'd say he's doing in Iowa more of what he was expected to do at the start of the season than people realize.

He's young and athletic. Those guys usually get better.

by Josh77 on Jul 24, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno could get better....

...no question...and I hope he does. But the criticisms posted are warranted from his play last season. He was one of the worst players on a MLB roster last season. I am hoping that the mental part of his game and his defense are at the MLB level for this call up. If that's the case then I'll be pleased with him totally as a reserve. He's a terrible offensive player and I'd love it if he proved me wrong.

by DudeVf11 on Jul 24, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have to agree as well

he may DRINK pop, or perhaps he has A CAN of pop, but just plain pop, he does not.

Occasional power is not pop...I think Theriot is capable of more than some are giving him credit for and he is the exact reason I argue that young players need regular AB's...

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 24, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

such pronouncements of certainities

At the ripe age of 24 Cedeno has spent 208 games in the major leagues, basically learning on the job. At the ripening age of 27 Theriot has stuck for now as the mostly starter at SS and ironically at also the ripening age of 27 Fontenot is sticking at 2B. More coincidentally Mark DeRosa at the age of 27 played 72 games for Atlanta and hit almost .300, and at 28 he started to played 103 games and hit .263.

You all are so quick to judge something you don't know. Cedeno could continue to develop and emerge as a offensive middle infielder like he has shown twice in AAA. HE could fall back and not be an offensive middle infielder but a slick fielding one, or he could be a marginal utility player.

Right now the Cubs have him as a utility IF'er during the dog days of summer where they can occassionally platoon him at SS (likely LH pitchers to get him confident) and be ready to do other things like pinch run or pinch hit.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 24, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The one major difference

between all those players you mentioned and Cedeno is baseball smarts. Cedeno possesed a very small amount of them.

Now, I havn't seen Theriot, Fontenot, and DeRosa play when they were 24/25, so I can't say what they were like. However, Cedeno was doing things last season that a high school player would have been ashamed of. I don't have many concerns that Cedeno can handle major league baseball from a physical standpoint. He's very impressive there, but unless he has somehow immproved the mental aspect of his game, he'll be an outstanding AAAA player.

by NO100 on Jul 24, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree and would add

if you are lacking baseball instincts at 24, it's probably not going to ever be a strength, even after additional years of experience.

Most players either have this, or they don't.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

APPLAUSE

nicely said. cedeno's physical skills seem pretty good, but his mental make-up drowns out his physical skill. I have seen some of the stupidest plays between him and murt in the last year that I would prefer to trade them while they still have value and let them become some other teams concern.

by bennyha on Jul 24, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The "Hill" Effect

Rich Hill hadn't shown any ability to get big league hitters out, either, but he went back down, figured some stuff out and became a big league pitcher.

Cedeno may be another AAAA player, but he also may have just figured out how to hit. He certainly can't be worse than Izturis. He is also a real shortstop. Let's give him a shot.

Tell me Gerald, what is this "walk" you speak of?

by Ross on Jul 24, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pitching and position play

are different. He may be hitting but he has more to figure out to become the stellar major league player some people think he will be.

I respectfully disagree. Showcase him now...and dump!

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 24, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa

There is a huge difference between Hill and Cedeno. Hill has a plus-curve ball when he's dealing. Cedeno does not have a plus-tool in the box. He's major-league average, or worse, all across the board. That's a huge difference.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's not true at all...

Cedeno has plus-plus range and a plus arm. His weaknesses defensively have been mental mistakes, but he has phenomenal raw tools defensively.

Offensively, I'm inclined to agree that he's average or below in hitting, plate discipline, and power, but above average in speed. And his plate discipline this year has been much better than in previous years, indicating he's learning.

I think the Hill comparison is pretty apt, as it is all upstairs for both of them. Obviously there are differences, but the primary issue with both is the same.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh that's ridiculous.

Baseball America rated him as the third-best prospect in the Cubs system in 2005. He's been the top defensive infielder and infield arm in the Cubs system for years, according to BA. He's the reason that Theriot was bumped as the club's top shortstop prospect -- and in fact there's a good case to be made that Cedeno was aggressively overpromoted through the Cubs system.

You look at one season of Ronny Cedeno's play, completely ignore the fact that a lot of guys who have unproductive rookie years still go on to become major league regulars and even stars, and write him off because he "lacks baseball IQ" or whatnot. Nevermind the fact that Cedeno had to make the jump from AAA to the bigs under the tuteledge of Toothpicks Baker and the "What? Coach the youngster?" regime. Obviously the one bad year in the majors means that he not only isn't a prospect, he apparently never was one.

Seriously, people. You can look this stuff up. Cedeno was a top prospect, and well-scouted. He was never any sort of SABR crush on anybody's part; it's the tools guys that saw so much in Ronny to begin with. It doesn't help your case if you're too lazy or just too stubborn to acknowlege easily researchable information.

And before you retort about some bonehead play you've seen him make, or what your professional opinion of him is -- Jim Callis is a better scout than you are. And no, it's not particularly close. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong. But it does mean that I'll take his opinion over yours most of the time.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 24, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your right

Cedeno was a top prospect and was rated very high for quite a while. When he hit about .370 in the winter of 05/06, he was probably at his peek regarding prospect status.

As I mentioned already, his physical skills are better than Theriot's, but you could also say his physical skills are better than Eckstein, and he has two world series rings.

The minors are filled with physically skilled guys, and you just hope they have a head to match those skills, so they can make adjustments when necessary.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now that's laughable

I'm not certain anyone is trying to persuade you into thinking one way or another, and I personally could care less whether you believe Jim Callis is the next Billy Beane. The fact is, Cedeno has done nothing at the major league level to make anyone believe he's a starting major league SS in the making. Nothing.

The real fact of the matter is, I can watch baseball and be able to discern which players can play and which players can't. I don't need Jim Callis or Will Lingo or any number of the BA staff (and full disclosure says I read it too) to tell me who is good and who isn't. To base opinions purely on what you read is both illogical and ignorant. Try something novel....watch Cedeno play for awhile....and then come up with your own scouting report.

Either way, I'm pretty sure Cedeno's play will be the ultimate determinant as to whether he succeeds or fails and not some idle internet banter. And for the record, not only is Cedeno's arm average, as is his speed, but his bat is woefully below average...no matter what Callis said two years ago. And just for fun...what does Callis think of one-time top five organization prospects Matt Harvey and Brian Dopirak? Just wondering.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ryan Harvey

Typo.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And if you watched him play...

and had any ability to judge skills, you'd realize he has great range and a great arm. And he's fast. His problems lie upstairs. That would indicate that he's not "major league average or below across the board."

Early in his career, he's proven to be well below average in one key facet of the game: smarts. Whether that changes or not is going to be the key to his future.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Watching him sail throws over the head of Walker at 1B last year speaks loads about his mental mistakes, but they also showcased a very good infield arm. Anyone who says that his arm is "below average" based on that seems to be watching some other guy entirely.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 24, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Cedeno has above average speed...

...but you can't steal first base...He did well in the 2005 call-up. The league adjusted in 2006 and he was crushed--over matched. he was awful. His defense was horrible and he made mental mistakes--all this from one of the positions that is supposed to be manned by one of your smarter players.

by DudeVf11 on Jul 24, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Corey Patterson

used to be a top 3 prospect too....

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

Didn't we learn our lesson with Ronny last year?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 24, 2007 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Players NEVER get better...

right? Cedeno was 23 in his first big league season. Couldn't it be that he wasn't ready (physically, mentally, emotionally) last year, and that he's maybe settled down a bit in the last year (or maybe he's still in the process of doing so)?

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno a tolerable backup

But I'm more worried about his defense than whether he'll "pop" the ball. A few on field blunders can throw critical tight games.

by Cajuncub on Jul 24, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

showcase?

Lets hope so.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 24, 2007 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

My thoughts exactly.

I think this callup is a showcase for a trade. Let's hope Ronny doesn't crap the bed.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

That's nonsense. Any team that has any interest in Cedeno has undoubtedly spent time watching him in AAA. A major league callup to sit in dugout isn't going to showcase him for anyone.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 24, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or....

He's not gonna sit, but play a little short and a little second while Fonty sits for bit, as Pinella is wont to do when young players slump a little. This will showcase his value as a Major League player, not a AAA player, insofar as he can adequately man two different positions defensively and if he can hit a bit, it'll sweeten the deal. I don't think Ronny's being brought here to sit.

"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 24, 2007 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When it comes to Ronnie...

...I think many of us Cubs fans will always associate him with last year's dismal season. And the only thing that will change this perception is some truly heroic performances on the field this year.

I'm going to force myself to keep an open mind about Cedeno. His offensive surge in Triple A this season was certainly noteworthy, and I don't recall hearing that he's had a lot defensive gaffes in the minors.

But, as cajuncub points out, the biggest question mark about Ronnie isn't his hitting or fielding in and of themselves, but whether he can avoid the forehead-slapping mental mistakes that plagued him last season and early this year. (Remember the blown stolen base at the hands of David Eckstein?)

What worsens this risk is the fact that, more than likely, he will be a backup and, thus, not playing everyday. (And that's as it should be -- Theriot has definitely earned the starting spot in my mind.) Will Cedeno be able to play "smart" baseball coming off the bench or playing once every three games or so? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Brew Crew: We are coming for you. (And we mean it this time.)

by dat cubfan daver on Jul 24, 2007 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Geez, was his defense THAT bad??

Seems he made errors on routine plays and occasionally made a spectacular play...Theriot's been better than advertised but gotta believe Cedeno can be just as good, if not better (more range, perhaps?)..and as noted above, certainly capable of improving.

His offense last year started OK but plummeted with the whole team..I seem to recall hendry talking, after the got Izturis, about Cedeno being a possible regular 2B candidate and projecting him .270 hitter...I can see that still, with some XB power (yes, reaching the fences, which we need) and speed, similar to Theriot...

Like the way Riot plays but Cedeno gives us a nice option and backup, esp. against lefties, against whom we've struggled (DeRosa in RF, Cedeno at 2B and Theriot at SS might be a lineup we'd try a few times).

Expect 3-4 starts MAX out of "Ronnie'' the next few weeks when we face some lefties...Capuano, anyone?

by writerinwrigley on Jul 24, 2007 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno made some spectacular blunders...

his defense is hard to quantify, because he made some amazing plays but also some real mental blunders that resulted in errors. So it's hard to say whether the added benefit of his range and arm outweighed the added negative of his mental errors.

Cedeno has terrific range and a good arm. The knock on him is his "baseball IQ." Essentially, it comes down to that.

It's possible that he was too hyper (i.e., tried to do too much) and made mental mistakes as a result. If that's the case, then hopefully as he matures he'll learn to relax and let his ability take over.

It's also possible that he's just a dumb dumb baseball player, and that this will be a limitation for him throughout his career.

by SouthernCub on Jul 24, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Spectacular Blunder #1

Overunning second base ON A WALK in the 9th inning of the Cardinal game in April. I have never seen it before and I hope to never seeit again. Possibly the dumbest thing I ever seen a baserunner do.
I think he has some potential but he has a lot to learn and I hope he learned a lot of it recently.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jul 24, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When you are about 11 or 12

they teach you to take a little peak in towards the plate when you are stealing. Why are you supposed to do this?

-In case the batter hits the ball in the air
-if the ball gets by the catcher, you keep running
-ball four, you go in standing
-you avoid getting hit with batted ball

It's very fundemental, and should be done, 100% of the time, without failure.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 24, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would explain

the solid fundamental play of the team earlier in the year. As a team, we were less than stupid in fundamentals. It wasn't just Cedeno.

It seems to me that Cedeno is at a fork in the road with the Cubs. Good player-Bad player-???. He's either a prospect or not. He was sent to Iowa to work on his game. Apparently everything went well. Now we'll see if he's got a future with the organization or not.

It doesn't make sense to condemn him at this point for problems in the past. The Cubs feel he deserves a shot on the roster and they certainly know more about him now than any of us do. Let it play out.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 24, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno

I've come to accept the fact he might be a complete idiot BUT when he's in the zone he has some amazing plays and is a fun player to watch.

All joking aside from him possibly being a moron, I hope he does come through and has a productive summer and fall. Seems like a good kid who wants to play every day.

by ak123 on Jul 24, 2007 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs