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Official July 31 Trading Deadline Discussion Diary

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Please use this diary for any and all discussions of trades, rumors, etc. today, with the deadline coming up at 3 pm CT, rather than post a million different threads and diaries.

Thanks. Have at it.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Hopefully
by end of day, the Triple A Hall O Famers, Murton and Cedeno are gone.  

My deal, Pie, Gallagher, Marshall and Jones for Griffey and Arroyo.  

Murton and Cedeno for a reliever.

Go ahead.  Rip it apart..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Why would the Reds want Jones?
Plus, Arroyo has been horrid this year. Ugh.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arroyo has a 2.60 ERA in July
They take Jones cause the Cubs are taking on a ton of money and they're getting back 3 good youngsters.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sean Marshall...
... has a 2.31 ERA in July.

So tell me again how the Cubs benefit from this deal?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arroyo was a solid starter
from 2004 thru 2006.  I'd rather have a vet in the playoffs...  Also, Griffey's a very good player and the Cubs are getting little out of CF and RF.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 4:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You only need...
... three starters in the playoffs anyway. This trade would be pointless. The Cubs are winning. I'm still in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp, unless they can get a better starter than Arroyo and not give up the farm to get him, which isn't likely.

The Cubs already have five pitchers better than Arroyo.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You need 4 starters
and Arroyo's better than Marquis...  I like that he has playoff experience...  

Seems your expectations are winning the Central..  This team will need lots of luck to win the NL..  They're a impact player away imo, and Griffey would make a huge impact.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis has playoff experience too.
Nine games, three starts, 21.2 IP, 4.57 ERA.

Arroyo's postseason experience: 10 games, two starts, 7.41 ERA.

So who's more useful in the postseason?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

arroyo
arroyo
career fip: 4.39
project '07 fip [ZiPS]: 4.29

marquis
career fip: 5.15
projected '07 fip [ZiPS]: 5.25

So who's more useful in the postseason?

Arroyo would be.

by jacob on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

arroyo
he's the better pitcher...  guess you're content w/ winning the central. typical cubfan mentality.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arroyo has been the same this year
as last year if you simply remove the 5-6 starts after the Reds allowed him to throw 130!!! pitches in a game

seriously his numbers are EXACTLY the same

the idea that he's been horrible this year is lazy

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unless Hendry is a liar
Pie isn't going anywhere. And if the Reds got Jones to replace Griffey, their GM would have a bounty put on him.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 31, 2007 4:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

gm's lie about not trading guys
all the time..  of course when you have a vendetta against hendry, who cares about what other gm's do. let it go man. the cubs are a game out.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

There you go again
you proposed a terrible idea about trading for Griffey and now you claim I have an issue with Hendry.

One has nothing to do with the other. I can imagine the terrible burden it must be thinking that you're always right. The truth is, you ain't even close.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 31, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah right
you were on hendry's asss big time a few months ago.  Thankfully you've been quiet of late..  
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excuse me for intruding
on your man love for Hendry. I had forgotten how attached at the hip you were with him.

FYI, when he's wrong, he's wrong. When he's right, he's right. Unlike you who worship all that is Hendry.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 31, 2007 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

think we could
trick the Reds into taking Jones, Eyre, E-Patt, and Hill for Harang?

by bamix1 on Jul 31, 2007 5:30 AM CDT reply actions  

no...
they're not the pirates
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus
Harang is injured.  
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

but why
off the top of my head i would say hill and harang are the same age...and then, what, they get e-patt because of taking on jones and eyres contracts?  i guess it makes sort of sense, but i dont see the point to it really.
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm...
No.

Harang is one of the best pitchers in the game, and you think they are going to basically give him to the Cubs?  And be forced to take the Cubs' crap?

Come on...

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

My list of players worth bothering making an offer
Assuming that teams currently in the playoff hunt are not going to be trading... and are not going to be trading young stars (e.g. Toronto is not going to trade Wells or Rios).

And no, not all of these guys deserve a lot in return...

American League

  • Toronto: nobody
  • Baltimore: Chad Bradford
  • Tampa: Other than Crawford, nobody
  • Minnesota: Nathan, Cuddyer, Hunter (as a rental)
  • White Sox: nobody
  • Kansas City: Reggie Sanders (for a B- prospect only!)
  • Oakland: nobody
  • Texas: Young, maybe Wilson
National League:
  • Florida: nobody
  • Washington: nobody
  • San Francisco: Messenger, if he was a RH then Roberts

by Invalid User on Jul 31, 2007 6:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone mentioned this
in the game thread last night--louslovechild, I think--and I've mulled it over. How about Jonny Gomes? I don't think Tampa's overly enamored with him, he's really turned it on in June (.322/.359/.622, 5 HR) and July (.274/.313/.534, 5 HR) after a poor start which was probably due to some hangover from offseason shoulder surgery. He is a high-K (110+ in two previous seasons) guy and may not be a defensive upgrade over Derosa or Jones, but he's a right-handed power bat and guy Lou would be familiar with from his Tampa days. Well, what say you?
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 7:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting
Maybe they would take a couple of pitching prospects for him, like Cherry and Rapada.  But I'm not sure he'd be better than Matt Murton.
The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by cubzfan on Jul 31, 2007 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's already a better
outfielder and a better baserunner than Murton. Last night's game was a perfect example of the fact that while Murton and Cedeno have talent, their complete and utter lack of baseball instincts is going to keep them from realizing their potential. I think mUrton will be a .300 hitter in this league, but so was Billy Mueller. Plus, Murton doesn't have 1/10 of the power potential that Gomes has. Murton simply does not have the defensive skills nor the homerun power to be a corner outfielder.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

As evidenced last night,
aside from a nice strike to the plate from RF.

Gomes would be nice

"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is a good idea
they arent playing him everyday, and have all sorts of young outfielders, i like that idea a lot.
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like
that idea too.  I'd rather have Dye, but Gomes could be useful.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like it
I was actually wondering if this would ever get mentioned. Gomes would be a beast in right field. He has a good arm, can run the bases, and absolutely mashes when he is in there. I really do wonder what it would take, as they've seemed to ask for the moon in every rumor I've heard (and yet still went after Wheeler). I think this is something Hendry should really look into.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gomes
Is an interesting idea. I like the thought, but I wouldn't give up DeRo for him. Maybe someone else, but not him. He is a large part of why we are where we are.

I am calling it now, and I may be wrong, but I have this gut feeling...

Conine will be a Cub by the end of the day. He's cheap, he's experienced, and he would give us a good bat off the bench and can fill in in the outfield and 1B if needed. With Ward on the DL,it makes sense to pick him up, and I think we would probably owe something like 500K.

Just a gut feeling for some reason. It's either a gut feeling or that 6-pack and tacos.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jul 31, 2007 7:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope not
I don't get the fascination with Conine. He's cheap and experienced.....and also not very talented anymore.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see him as
Phil Nevin redux.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oooops!
 I forgot to add that you need to scroll half way down to find Cub's articles.

by fuzzycubfan on Jul 31, 2007 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Gagne
I don't care if they do. Gagne isn't what he once was, and to be honest, I have always felt he was overrated. He's a closer, he had a good streak of saves, but he is far from Rivera dominant. He doesn't scare me.

I mean, let's be honest, all he's ever had to intimidate someone were those goofy-looking glasses.

In all seriousness, he's got a decent cutter, and fastball that moves, but he ain't exactly lights-out anymore.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jul 31, 2007 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Will Jim Hendry Get Carl Crawford please
I'm pretty sure Tampa has said he is not untouchable anymore.  At age 25(26 in a week), can you imagine an outfield with Soriano, Pie, and Crawford for the next five years or so, insane.
"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I like the idea, but believe
Tampa would require Pie in the deal.  

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed
so the question becomes is Crawford > Pie? I'd say yes.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd do it too, I think.
Depends on Crawfords deal.  Is he locked up for a couple of years?  He's still a left handed bat, but a very good one.

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

im not sure
you would have to be able to keep him long term to make it worth it. Of course maybe it would help us if he wasn't locked up long term. Tampa wouldn't be able to give him big bucks, but we could...
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?
Crawford is already locked up.

His contract has club options through 2010.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

That
is a deal I would do with Pie.

There are not many but Crawford in CF for a while would make it worth the trade IMHO.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Crawford could play CF, he'd be doing so.
The D-Rays are playing everyone except Crawford in CF - Dukes, Delmon, Baldelli, and now Upton. They've also had a revolving door with the RF/DH spots, and they've had trouble getting ABs for their corner OFs.

The one constant is that Crawford stays anchored in LF. If he could play CF, he'd be doing so - the Rays' best OF would be Delmon-Crawford-Gomes. Instead, they've moved their 2B to CF and left Crawford in LF.

by ClosingTime on Jul 31, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

CC is a DRAY
Crawford is NOT going anywhere. He is one of those "face of the franchise" guys and the ownership here in Tampa can not afford to let him go in the eyes of the community. If Baldelli had the ability to stay healthy, and they had kept Hamilton who knows. But Crawford is way to valuable at a great price for almost any package the Cubs could put together. Gomes- on the other hand- should come relatively cheaply. He is not ever going to crack the outfield and with Pena at first DH is his only option for next year. You guys would love Gomes up there. While he isnt the most athletic or smartest he sells out on every single play and he would hit some absolute moonshots

by juicegriffin on Jul 31, 2007 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn
I salivate in your general direction over that comment.

I wish, but I don't see it happening.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jul 31, 2007 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I won't
be suprise if Hendry does nothing.
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed
or next to nothing.  Let's just hope he doesn't waste a b level prospect on Conine or anyone similar.  Matt Murton could be our Jeff Conine if they'd just give him the chance.  We've got enough in-house talent that I don't see a point in trading for guys like Conine.  If it's not a substantial trade or upgrade then don't do it Jim!
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Jul 31, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Murton
What has Murton done in the last nine months that would lead anyone to believe he's a contributor down the stretch?  I mean seriously, this guy hasn't hit the ball hard in months.  I know a lot of guys on here like him for whatever reason, but this whole "he's not getting a chance" line of reasoning is not only old and tired, but inaccurate.  He's just not that good and shouldn't be counted on for anything down the stretch.  Jeff Conine he is not.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just who
do you think Jeff Conine is then?  Because we can't be thinking of the same person if you think Matt Murton isn't capable of replicating his stats.  You don't agree with the line of reasoning that Murton wasn't getting a chance?  How long did he just spend in the minors?  Does that count as a big league chance?  

And fyi, Murtons career numbers are: .292/.362/.439/.801
Tell me how that is bad, tell me again how those numbers indicate that Murton just isn't that good.  In fact his numbers are very similar to Conines career numbers.

Sounds to me like you just don't like Murton.  The problem isn't that some of us guys here like Murton for "whatever reason", the problem is that some have given up on him or have never liked him despite the evidence that shows he is/could be a descent player.

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Jul 31, 2007 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball isn't played by numbers!!!!!!
It's played by rushing to judgement and refusing to look at the available evidence!!!!!! Didn't you get the memo?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn
I missed another memo??  
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Jul 31, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious
I'll tell you what, you let me know when Murton hits the ball hard once this year.  Just once.  I'm all for it, I want the Cubs to win and would love it if he went on a torrid pace all the way through October.  But let's be realists here, there is nothing to suggest that he hits the ball hard enough with any consistency to even approach the numbers of Jeff Conine.  

I know the next conclusion you'll jump to is that I believe Conine can rake, yet another comment I've never said, but I'll leave you to do as you choose.  Can Murton equate Conine's numbers?  Perhaps Conine's as a 40-year old or however old he is.  

If Murton were such a viable OF option, people would be beating down Hendry's door for him.  Hint...that isn't happening...and for a reason.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Murton
gets a chance every time he comes to the plate. His failings are his responsibility and his only.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.
I kind of feel that way, too. He needs a RH pinchhitter, though. If Murton could pinch hit with any sort of consistency, he'd be perfect. Contact hitter, plays a little OF, but he's terrible in the PH role, posting a .227/.292/.227 line in 22 PH appearances, and he's only taken 2 BB in those 22 PH plate appearances. I think Jimbo may just play with the hand he's been dealt, though.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the idea of giving up too much for too
little.  See MadDog/Itzuris.  While I would prefer Hendry to stand pat, he has fully earned his "trader Jim" moniker with his actions.  I'm predicting he can't help himself and will do something, if only to convince himself he has made every effort.

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lol.
I hope you're wrong....
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I have that, Hendry is doing nothing feel too.  I think it will be a mistake.  

Just like the Brewers, this team has the potential to slow down and I think a nice addition can change that fate.

Last night was ugly!

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Who
is Henry gonna deal?
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have got
prospects and major leaguers to deal.

Marshall (if we get a starter in return)
Jones
Murton
Cedeno
Veal
EPat
Gallagher
Cherry
Petrick
Eyre (not likely!)
Fontenot (if the right deal)

We have guys to deal, we just need to get the right fit in return.  Isn't that what Hendry is supposed to be good at?

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!
I have an idea. Let's trade all ten of those guys to the Yankees and get A-Rod, Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford!

</sarcasm>

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a deal to me!
Not sure about the dead guys but the rest could really help this club!

Cmon though, some of these guys are expendable and there are teams out there who have expendable parts too.  

BASEBALL SWAPMEET ANYONE???

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hill not marshall
Why does everyone see Marshall as trade bait and not hill.  Hill is older and Marshall seems very interested in learning the game.  He seems like he could be a LH Maddux type player who would take of when the cubs sign Maddux as pitching coach...followed by Dawson as Hitting coach and Grace as Bench coach
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Agree with Hill not Marshall
I like Marshall's mechanics much better than Hill's mechanics.  Marshall is a rock on the mound where as Hill can easily get shaken up.  It looks like Marshall has four (Fastball, Curve, Changeup, Cutter?) pitches to me and while none of his stuff is devastating, it appears to me that he can locate all four just fine.  That's solid.

I also like the fact that Hill (could) bring more in a trade because his value might be a little higher than Marshall's in others' eyes.

There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither Hill nor Marshall
I'm not sure I agree with trading Hill, but  Hendry DEFINITELY should not trade Marshall. I say that because he wasn't even slotted into our opening-day rotation, and really picked up a lot from his time  in the minors. Now you have a "fifth" starter with a  3.10 ERA, a nice K/BB ratio (48/22), whose only real flaw has been an inability to go deep into games. I admit I'm a bit surprised, too, but we've got a legit member of our staff that must almost feel like an unexpected bonus to the front office ... it probably is to most of our fans, too. Don't blow up the rotation when you've just discovered it's even better than you thought.  
Missing Wrigley summers since 1998.

by cervantes05 on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last night was a buzz saw
Cole Hamels is a having a great year.  They have the potential to slow down, but they also have the potential to play long sustained winning baseball with the crew on board (see last 50 games)...  

I wish they'd do something, but lets take it day by day, get a "W" tonight, and let Jim do what he thinks is best for the ballclub...

Good luck tonight Jason,

With Love...

A Cubs Fan...

"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully
he recognizes that they're not scoring runs regularly and fixes the RF situation. And by fixes, I mean Griffey, not Conine.

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

No Trades...no (major) trades
If a healthy K Wood was on the trade market he would be one of the biggest targets, and guess what we get him without giving up a prospect.  Also our AAA guys have been doing very well at coming up this year and performing, I don't count cedano and murton because they here at the start.  The only trade I would like us see would be to dump Koyie hill if necesarry.  Fortunatly he's the type of guy who you could do a waivered trade after the deadline.  But this depends on what the organization thinks of Soto who will hopefully be a sept. call up, as well as how Blanco is coming along.
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Those who ignore history
Are doomed to repeat it.

Why would you ever, ever, EVER count on a healthy Kerry Wood?  

If Hendry sees a pressing need in the bullpen, and is counting on Wood to fill it, then that is certainly a huge mistake.  

by SuperContext on Jul 31, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

but if we don't have a pressing need
than counting on wood to bolster an already stacked bullpen is fine, I'm just saying we have the potential of picking up a player better than most on the market
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.
The bullpen has, for the most part, been pretty good the last month. Thus there is no "pressing need". I'm with the rest of you -- I no longer "count" on Kerry Wood. But all signs point to him being able to be a useful contributor.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if not...
...we have any of Rocky Cherry, Sean Gallagher, Clay Rapada and Carmen Pignatiello to choose from to replace him. We have sufficent depth at middle relief that rolling the dice with Wood sounds like almost no downside for some nice upside.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Billy Petrick.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just hope
that if/when he comes back he gets his first apperence at wrigley.  could you imagine the ovation he would get.
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he's activated Thursday...
... expect him to appear in the series vs. the Mets. You're right, the ovation will be very loud.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Need to make mental note..
  1. Find Wood Jersey
  2. Buy tickets
  3. Get 6 y/o son
  4. Start talking about night game versus braves in 2003 and 1998 games.
Before some of you think I'm crazy, I don't think he's a saviour.

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree there is no pressing need
And I actually really see no problem with the way Wood is being handled.

I think my annoyance comes from Hendry's attempts to mollify those who think the Cubs should make a move by saying, in effect, "but really, we don't need to make a deal, because its as if we're trading for Kerry Wood!"  

That, I don't buy.  Might Wood's return help the team? Yes.  But he doesn't address the area where the Cubs could most use a trade (the outfield), and he isn't a guy who is guaranteed to come in and perform and improve the pen.  In fact, I read the decision to stand pat with Wood as a concession that the bullpen is fine as is, and if Wood works out, it will be even better.  

by SuperContext on Jul 31, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

forget wood,
he's been worthless for years. that's not gonna change.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow
no sympathy for a guy who's been stuggeling to come back.
Took a home town discount to stay with the cubs.
Put aside ego to become a RP instead of a SP.
Holds charity events to raise money for DLee foundation.
I think he's going to be another veteren great clubhouse guy who's been in the postseason before.
I would wish him the best, even if he wasn't a cub.
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey, i'm not wishing bad on the guy.
i hope he dominates. my point is that we should in no way count on him for anything. and, while you're probably right about his clubhouse benefit, he's also a huge distraction. i'm just sick of hearing about wood. and i definitely don't think he's going to be much help on the mound.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone believes he is a stud
But to say the guy is worthless is pretty harsh.  He is a clubhouse guy. And he has been progressing really well the last month.  He can still throw 90+ mph for strikes and get guys out.  Far from worthless.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just as much as Wood has been injured
He has been just as consistent in his workouts and rehab to get back on the field as quickly as possible. You know he gave up a ton of money on the open market last offseason to sign that one year deal with the Cubs. You could tell it was his way of saying, "I'm sorry I took millions of dollars from this organization for so long and gave back so little. Give me one more chance."

His chance is coming soon, and I personally can't wait. He truly is a great Cub.

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by HoffPowahhh on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

did anyone see
 hendry's comments on the trade deadline in the trib?  he seemed PISSED about the pie rumors...he's not going anywhere
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs" - Alvin Dark

by holycow07 on Jul 31, 2007 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, but don't believe anything this time of year
I don't think Hendry is "shopping" Pie... but if you say someone is untouchable enough times, maybe the offers for said prospect become more reasonable.
Missing Wrigley summers since 1998.

by cervantes05 on Jul 31, 2007 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't blame him.
I think Sullivan might have done that to get back at Hendry for the perceived Kendall snub. Either way, Sullivan is a true jackass for writing that crap.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jack Wilson
If Pittsburgh is looking to move Jack Wilson, Hendry should stand up and gladly accept him as the backup SS.  Without looking into Wilson's contract situation, I'd take him in a heartbeat for a mid-level prospect (translation: organizational player, perhaps Brian Dopirak) and send Cedeno back to where he belongs...at an organizational stop near you not named Chicago.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

You must be joking.
The Pirates got Cesar Izturis, who we all couldn't WAIT to dump, to REPLACE Wilson, and now you want Wilson?

Ugh. Forget it. No thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind anyway
Makes no difference what Pittsburgh wants to do with Izturis.  If they want him more than Wilson, that's on them.  You don't think Wilson is an upgrade over Cedeno?  That's nonsense.  Clubhouse cancer or not, he's much better than what Cedeno offers.

But in any event, Wilson is owed something like $7 million in 2008 and $8 million in 2009.  Unless Pittsburgh eats all of that, Wilson isn't an option.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The rumor was that
Wilson was a clubhouse problem.  Wilson is a talent, but the chemistry of the 2007 Cubs seems to be pretty good.  I would hate to see it derailed by picking up others attitude problems like Wilson, Elijah Dukes, etc.

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or
Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez and Randall Simon?  Sometimes that whole "clubhouse cancer" has a miraculous cure....called winning.  
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't recall
any of those three being problems.  Lofton was a veteran on a go nowhere team and was dealt for parts.  The Pirates were scared of Ramirez pending arbitration and subsequent contracts and Randall "Sausage Race" Simon was almost a throw in.

I subscribe to the theory that winning cures problems with the talent you have in place, but adding mid-season clubhouse problems can be fatal.

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well
Lofton had been labeled as a clubhouse problem nearly everywhere he had been prior to Chicago.  Pittsburgh was more concerned that Ramirez was lazy and unmotivated than they were with his impending arbitration.  Simon was embroiled in the whole sausage scandal even though he was no more than a bit player for both teams.

The point is, the league is filled with front-runners and some guys that are competitive get tired of getting their heads kicked in year after year.  Wilson more than likely fits that description.  

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do remember Lofton being a PITA
on contracts, so I concede, Ramirez as all about the $$$, and by the time of the trade the sausage thing was resolved, Simon has apologized weeks before and donated stuff, I believe hot dogs, to charity.

Wilson is owed what a poster above states is 8M this and 9M next and is delivering a whopping .249 average, 4HR, 26 RBI and a stellar .301 OBP.  Who (Theriot, Fontenot, Cedeno) cannot duplicate this cheaper?

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
The aforementioned "poster" was actually me after I did some rudimentary research after my initial post.  

I'm not going to get carried away on Wilson as it was an off-the-top suggestion, especially after seeing his salary numbers, but I don't think there is a question he would serve as a much better backup SS than Cedeno does.  Even if Wilson sniffs the field once a week, he is a far superior overall player than Cedeno, which is really my point.

Heck, round up just about any other utility infielder and I'd rather have him on the field in any situation rather than Cedeno.  Wilson was just the poster boy for this particular commentary.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wilson...
... is making far more than Jacque Jones, who almost everyone here wants to DFA, dump, trade, throw into the Chicago River, whatever.

And you want to throw that money at him to be a backup SS? That's just crazy.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Money
Come on Al, I already stated that I'd only do the deal if Pittsburgh ate most of the contract.  The whole point is moot as Wilson is already gone to Detroit.  
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

WOW
You DON'T like Matt Murton, but you DO like Jack Wilson.  How the hell do you explain that???  You're really messed up, seriously, I don't think you understand the difference between good and bad, right and wrong etc...  Do you know what .OPS stands for?
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Jul 31, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's simple.
Aparently some time ago, Murton and Cedeno engaged in a wild killing spree, taking out 80 or so men, women and children in the Chicago metro area. They were let to walk on a technicality. This is very upsetting to their relatives.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on man
First of all, I'm pretty sure I didn't stack my baseball credentials up against yours to start with.  But I can tell you this, you don't want to do that.  

Secondly, I missed the part where I said that I "liked" Jack Wilson.  Is Jack Wilson a better player, particularly as a backup SS, than Cedeno?  Without question.  You've missed the point entirely.

As for Murton, he's brutal.  Plain and simple.  How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me.  The "he's a .300 hitter" logic is laughable.  But this isn't a stats-based argument in the first place.  Watch him play, put down the Shandler books, and you'll probably make an amazing revelation.  Murton just isn't very good.

So, without making a further personal "observation" about you, I'm pretty comfortable in knowing and seeing good/bad, right/wrong, black/white...etc.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, we get it.
You played baseball in college. So far as I can tell you didn't get drafted. Somehow this makes you more intelligent than the rest of us. Well guess what - Bill James has a job in a major-league front office and you don't. And we do watch baseball games; we just think you're wrong. So save us the condescending attitude.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Us?
What do you have to do with the discussion?  I find it amusing that the other guy starts it yet you're "scolding" me for the retort.  Say I'm wrong if you think I'm wrong.  Save the other stuff for another day.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because you've used...
...the same lines about Murton and Cedeno dozens of times ("put down the Shandler/James books" is a frequent line of yours) and it's getting about as old as BlueMike was getting. [Although, to be fair, you seem to at least treat women like people, which was something I was never sure BlueMike had a handle on.] It's a broken record. And it's getting old.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable
The Shandler lines have been used on occasion, the James' lines not so much...but both far less than you're crediting me with.

The BlueMike comparison doesn't fly here.  He reveled in rankling the masses.  While I'm still in full agreement that neither Murton nor Cedeno belong in Chicago, and will continue to believe that until proven otherwise, my comments are simply my opinions.

Perhaps you don't like them, I don't really care.  But as I said, I'm not standing on the table forcing you to listen to them.  For you to lay into me as you did, in a discussion that you weren't even part of, is quite simply, ignorant and wrong.  

I won't even comment on your line about women.  That suggestion is even worse and belongs in a thread with BlueMike.  

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't spend a ton of time here
and even I know you played baseball in college.  It's so beyond irrelevant it's amazing.  The notion that it makes you somehow better at evaluating talent than the other posters is the same kind of silly absurdity that leads to guys like McCarver and Morgan being in the booth.

Look back at what you typed, seriously.  When asked how you could possibly believe Wilson is good, you say that you're more qualified at watching baseball than the other poster, and then you just make a couple of patronizing comments.

It's not your opinions that's the problem, it's your ridiculous attitude.  Cwyers is absolutely in the right to call you out on it.

by Wreckard on Jul 31, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garbage
That's garbage.  I've said it maybe once, twice at most and only when challenged.  Quite frankly, it means nothing to me and is not a crutch that I use to lord over anyone.

You've obviously only skimmed the entire thread as it was the other that first mentioned my ability to recognize baseball talent.  But I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this silly message board sqaubble.  It's meaningless.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'll be back for more...
Everyone always comes back after they make a comment like

"But I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this silly message board sqaubble.  It's meaningless."

I think we all have different views of what is talent and what is not.  Just because one played college ball, does not mean that they know what talent looks like.  Same way if hendry was on BCB we would probably disagree with him too.  

AND

We'd have arguments against his skills too!
This argument seems pointless...Murton has been weak, Cedeno too.  If they can bring what the team needs trade em.  Period.

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah
I'm done.  Don't know enough to be here.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK...
But why make a move to add a back-up SS? We have Theriot, Fontenot, Derosa and Cedeno. I'd rather see Hendry focus on RF and/or pitching.

Cedeno is not my first choice as our backup SS, but Wilson is hitting .249 with a .640 OPS. Not sure I'd want him either.

by 10 14 23 26 on Jul 31, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Finally
At least someone willing to look at it this way.  I'm amazed that the mere mention of Wilson's name has drawn such ire.  I don't recall standing on the table demanding that Jack Wilson end up Chicago but merely suggested that if Wilson is on the block, Hendry look at acquriing him for a song....which to me means a guy that will never see Chicago...like Brian Dopirak.

So why get Wilson?  Simple, he's better than Cedeno.  Do the Cubs "need" Wilson?  Probably not.  But they do need a backup middle infielder and anyone that is better than Cedeno should be looked at.  

I realize that Cedeno is still a polar figure.  There are those that believe his youth gives him time to improve while others believe that his lack of instincts expose him as marginal at best.  I fall into the second camp even if it is easy to point out to his heinous pinch hitting appearance last night as the most recent example.

Do the Cubs have other needs that are more pressing?  Of course.  A RH hitting RF not named Matt Murton for one.  But the Cubs would be better off with a better backup MI as well.

Some of you guys, not you 10 14 23 26, need to relax a little bit.  You're acting like I suggested the Cubs add rev. Jim Jones to the clubhouse to serve cocktails.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

f**k stats
really what can stats tell you but what a player did while he was on the field
GO CUBS GO!!!!!!

by roach on Jul 31, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?
What does Jack Wilson bring this team?  Sure... he plays great defense, there is no denying that.  But his offense is just plain bad.

Jack Wilson = Neifi Perez = Cesar Izturis

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Update
Jack Wilson = Neifi Perez = Cesar Izturis = Ronny Cedeno = suckage
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy equation
Jack Wilson=Neifi Perez=Cesar Izturis > Ronny Cedeno
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can Eyre
take over the "doughnuts rusch" nickname?
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I love it how people are jumping on the
i hate Murton bandwagon. Almost everyone on this board in April wanted him batting second because he is that good of a hitter. Now people are coming out with stupid stuff sayig "well he hasn't hit the ball hard in months" or "you only like him because he has red hair." Face it, the guy is a good hitter and can develop into a great hitter. Its not like Cedeno who has had no success in the Majors..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 31, 2007 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

The added benefit of keeping him and not
getting the rental is you don't give up the next good thing (Garland, Willis, etc.)

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
Am I glad you're not running the Cubs.  Matt Murton and the word "great hitter" don't belong within ten blocks of one another.  
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok then prove me wrong...
if you don't think he can be a great hitter, tell me why instead of just bashing the idea
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

If a picture is worth a thousand words
Than video must be worth a million.  Therefore the Murton bashers don't need to say anything.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen
Agreed.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

really??
because I could look at videos from the last two seasons and see a very good hitter. good try though, next.
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 31, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

when murton first came up,
he was very patient at the plate. it was so refreshing to see a cub work counts and take pitches. but, he seems to have lost that for the most part. these days, murton seems to be flailing away with the rest of the free-swingers when he should be a bit more potent version of theriot. i liked him when he was a more potent version of theriot; i have a problem with less potent version of jones--though his righthandedness leads me to think he might do in a pinch, then i remember he can't pinch hit.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think...
... part of the reason for that is his lack of playing time. With him not playing much, he's probably trying to hit a five-run homer every time up, to prove he belongs. He hit just fine in AAA when he was playing every day.

I'm not arguing that Murton should be playing every day, only that he seems to be ill-suited to being a bench player and/or playing twice a week.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree.
he's ill-suited to be a bench player. but we need someone that can come off the bench at times. this presents a problem. i think you ship murton off to a team that will let him develop in the bigs, say the royals.

for now, i'm for cloning derosa. make it happen jim.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

When guys first come up
they somtimes do better than expected, because the advanced scouts have not had the chance to find their holes.

With Murton, his best projected numbers came very early in his major league AB's and IMO, it had a lot to do with there not being an indepth scouting report on him.  As he got more big league AB's, the found out he struggles to turn on the fastballs from the middle of the plate in, and his numbers went down a bit.  In his effort to adjust to this, he has really gone backwards, because it has forced him to turn on that pitch, which means committing to his swing earlier.  When you do this, you also become more vulnerable to breaking balls on the outside edge.

Murton has an inside/out type of swing, and most of these guys need the ball out over the plate, where they can drive it to the opposite field.  When he is going good, he drives the ball well to right center, but when they bust him with hard stuff towards the inner half, he struggles.

To date, he has had a hard time making the adjustment, and in trying to do so, he has become more anxious at the plate.  I think he can be a servicable major league hitter (.280-.290 with 15 homers) if he played a full season, but he will not be a run producer.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adjustments?
Hmmm...

Murton's line in the second half of the year last year:  .319/.390/.522

This was after he had been in the league for a year, meaning that teams, by then, had plenty of time to make adjustments.  The "pitchers making adjustments" argument simply does not hold up.

Murton had the best OPS in the NL among left-fielders over the second half of the season last year.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's right - adjustments
Look at Murton's numbers below, clearly, his best run was early in his career, and his numbers (especially power numbers/SLG) have declined quite a bit.  Last year, 1 homer in 123 AB's?  Something tells me he is not getting those same pitches he was early in his major league career.  He only had 123 AB's in 06, so his 2nd half numbers are not that big a sample size, compared to 05.

Like I said, I think he can be a servicable major league hitter (similar to a right handed Todd Walker), but he will not be a run producer.

2005 - AB - 140 - avg - .321 HR - 7 SLG - .521
2006 - AB - 455 - avg - .297 HR - 13 SLG - .365
2007 - AB - 123 - avg - .244 HR - 1  SLG - .326

To me, this sure looks like someone that has had their flaws exposed, and has yet to make an adjustment.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

im still not buying it
nine homers in august and september last year after the league had ample time to figure him out speaks otherwise to the comment that he cant be a run producer.
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he is here
I hope you are right, but I fear he will be a dissappointment, if he get's significant AB's in RF during the stretch run.  He will have his nights, but overall, his production will not be what this club needs from a corner OF.  JMHO.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are you recommending?
n/t
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Murton...
...can't really be any worse than Floyd in any thing but the least optimistic projection, so if he needs regular playing time to achieve his potential, maybe he should get it?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He just might get it
and I hope he can deliver, but I fear he will not.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong
Matt Murton had a .444 SLUG in 2006, not a .365.

.365 was his OBP.  .444 isn't stunning, but it isn't terrible either.

And he got better as the went on, meaning that he was able to make adjustments to the pitchers' adjustments.

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My bad
you are correct on his SLG for 06, but my opinion remains the same regarding what you will get from him over time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

My gut feel is that Dye
is going somewhere.  I don't think that they agree to an extention in the next few hours as was discussed.  I think it's posturing as much as the Cubs saying that they are fine to stay pat.  Willimas is waiting for the best offer and I am sure that he is asking for Pie in return for Dye.  Hendry has come out and said absolutely no way.  I believe that Hendry will not do that deal, but he's made an offer.  Dye is going somewhere.  Hopefully for the Cubs price.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I heard on talk radio
so take that for what it's worth, that Dye was going to the Red Sox.

by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that was said on "The Score"
I'd take that with a grain of salt.  They are hardly independent when it comes to the White Sox.  I know that Boston likes Dye, but I have a hard time believing that they are willing to give up one of their top pitching prospects for him, which is what Williams wants.  Boston wants to give up Pena, but what does that do for the WS?

If the Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett deal is any indication, the RS don't give up thier top prospects too easily.  Dye is probably not a guy one would sign long term, nor is his value anywhere near Beckett's.

We shall see what happens.  One advantage that Boston has is that they have more than a few really good arms to deal.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not The Score
I'm in Austin, Texas. It's a local am sports show (am 1300) that is way more into college football than anything else. I don't know if they have any credibility at all. I hardly ever listen except during college baseball season and today for trades.

They were talking to someone in the Boston media (don't know who because I got in in the middle of the conversation) about KG to the Celtics and this guy kinda threw in about the Red Sox getting Dye, resting Ortiz for a while to get healthy, and then ultimately benching Drew. He didn't give any indication of who the Red Sox would send.

Probably not worth much, just passing it along.

by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tidbit
That is interesting.  I guess we have 4 hours to find out.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

right handed bat
the cubs need another right handed bat bad, murton has looked overmatched this season and cedeno sucks! conine would be fine from cincy to play against left handed pitchers.

by Cubs fan on Jul 31, 2007 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Reportedly, Jack Wilson
got dealt to the Tigers!
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Good.
They can have him. $16 million for that sort of production? Worthless.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, the Tigers.
They were so pleased how the Neifi trade worked for them last year, they wanted to duplicate it with a bigger salary.

by N Oakley on Jul 31, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al....
Something interesting for you (little story).

1 year ago today i went into throw and i experienced one of the coolest things i have ever seen at a sporting event.

It was the trade deadline and i believe we had a night game.  So i arrived at the field at around 2 to get ready and all that great stuff.  When i walked into the clubhouse i was in absolute shock.  All the players were watching ESPN News, to see who was traded to who, and if anyone from the Cubs was/is being traded.  I stuck around in the clubhouse until about 2:55 at which point i needed to get out to the cage, and by this time Maddux had not shown up, but he still was a Cub (at 2:55, trade deadline ended at 3).  I was sitting out in the cage with JJ, Pierre and Clines, when Blanco walks out (around 3:15pm) and said Maddux was just traded.  Basically all four of us were shocked, including the Clines.  We figured that since nothing happened by 2:55, that he was gonna stay on the Cubs.  (Maddux arrived at 3pm)

We wrapped up our session in the cage and headed back into the clubhouse.  When we arrived in the club house is when i experienced the coolest moment in sports for me.  Every single player was sitting at their locker staring at Maddux cleaning out his locker.  The clubhouse was quite and somewhat in awe of Maddux and most of them realized they would never share the same clubhouse with such a great baseball player.

Everyone was saying their goodbyes and giving him hugs and having him sign a few baseballs and whatever else he could.  he was very professional about it and very classy.  i simply walked up to him and said hey Greg it was great to meet you and hangout with you for a few months good luck with the rest of your career.  He smiled and said thanks it was nice to meet you.

Just thought i would share my story in light of it being trade-deadline day!  Enjoy!

by HIGGY on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

that is cool.
and all that for a guy that looks like my high school english teacher. i wish we still had him.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very cool story indeed.
I was glad that we all got a chance to give Greg an ovation in his final Cub start a couple of days before he was traded. I know it meant a lot to me as a fan, and I think it touched him as a player and a person.

Class act.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

overall thoughts on Hendry
Last year we witnessed Maddux traded in effect as a good will gesture to the player. This year it was said that this was afforded to Izturis and an attempt to Jones.

What is the payback. FA respect that a player (marginal) will be afforded the chance to leave if it is appropriate.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the story but I hated that day
As the resident Maddux fanatic I really love reading this stuff
but this is of course a sad day for me. I remember thinking it
was "safe" after the deadline passed with no word ,only to see the crawl run on the screen at 3.05. I know Hendry did it out of respect for Maddux but it was a tough.

Luckily I got to see Maddux pitch in LA that Sept and it was
a great game. He shut down the Reds, had two great fielding plays and executed a perfect suicide squeeze.
I am very glad he got to play for a contending team last year.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jul 31, 2007 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me either.
Silva is 28; two years ago he had an amazing control year, walking 9 batters (that's right, NINE) in 188 innings.

Since then he's been mediocre-to-bad. Depending on what the Cubs had to give up, might be worth it, but otherwise this seems sort of pointless.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

eh??????
IDK. If you get him, you'd be likely to deal Marshall or Hill in another deal...interesting....

Cards got Pinto.

Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you mean...
...Joel Piniero?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently, yes.
Joel Piniero to St. Louis for a PTBNL.

I'm guessing he goes into their rotation. Yawn.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yawn if you like...
...but if they send Reyes back to AAA to make room for him I am going to spend the next WEEK making popcorn and reading Viva El Birdos. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the type of move that always scares me...
Pineiro was at one time a dynamite pitcher in Seattle.  His star has faded a LOT due to 4 bad seasons in a row, but I am always wary of the Dave Duncan magic.

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dave Duncan's magic...
...was reliant, among other things, on having a bevy of Gold Glovers strewn throughout the field. His "pitch to contact" philosophy has fallen on hard times now that the Cardinals defense has slipped a few notches. Still something to be wary of, sure, but I suspect it's a shade less imposing than it was.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, you won't have to be wary much longer
he and larussa are likely out the door after this year, though if they stay, the cardinals will probably keep trotting out that group of crippled veterans. granted, they get a lot out of that group (i still think it's some kind of magic act), but i'd  rather have them old than young and dangerous like the brewers.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes
Yes, I do. My bad. Pinto was similar to Pienero.
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not actually offensive...
...like, say, Jason Jennings, but I don't know what to think about this without context.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bruce Miles says NO to Silva
He just reported on ESPN 1000 that no Silva to the cubs.
They are now discussing Garland.
That would be a huge addition to the rotation and worthy of giving up Hill or Marshall plus couple quality prospects (Epatt, etc.).

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'd be interested in garland.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garland
They were not saying that the Cubs were pursuing Garland.  They were saying that the Cubs should pursue Garland.
visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

im not interested if
we had to give up hill plus others, id much rather have the K guy going into the future than the garland type who relies on pin point control
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about Griffey?
If Reds are entertaining offers the Cubs should be in there swinging...Hendry needs to make a bold move, tweaks not enough...even if this team somehow makes the playoffs (50% chance now at best), they don't have enough to beat a good AL team like Detroit, Bos or Clev IMHO

by writerinwrigley on Jul 31, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

If Griffey becomes a Cub
I would bet he gets injured within the week.  Cubs + Injury prone guys = bad news.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ
Griffey would get injured on the way to the airplane to come to Chicago.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh
No doubt.
"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jul 31, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

why, just luck?
you can't worry about luck. if he gets hurt, he gets hurt. i mean we're talking about bring wood back again. are you telling me you expect him to make it the rest of the year? no way. the problem with griffey is that he's not right-handed, at least for this team.

think he could still play a bit of center?

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

The difference is
Wood is on the payroll.  The only thing we have to do to get him in Chicago is make room on the roster.

Griffey will be pricey, both in dollars and players.  Much more risk involved in getting him.

We've made our mess with Wood and Prior.  Anything we get back at this point is gravy.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Update
Cubs + Injury prone guys = bad news = another letdown
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

People like you
really help this organization flounder around in mediocrity. Can we please stop with the "never take a chance on anything" mantra. ANY PLAYER at ANY TIME can get hurt. Yes, some players have a history of injuries. So what? Derrek Lee broke his wrist, are we supposed to hold our breath every time he swings a bat/slide hard into 2nd/makes a diving catch? Griffy is THE BEST RF available, and he happens to have a history of getting hurt. Get over it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

ive said this before
i will say it again--if we have the money to spend on griffey we have the money to sign our cy young candidate big z to a long term contract.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Any player can get hurt
and any player can hit a homerun.

Prior to this year Griffey has played, on average 89 games a year over the last 5 years.  That's awful for a guy with his salary. And generally speaking, potential for injury goes up as the player gets older.  

This is not a "never take a chance on anything" situation.  It's cost benefit analysis.  Griffey is a huge risk that will be costly.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh boy...
are you prepared to spend the rest of your natural cub fan life worrying about the cost benefits and risk/reward ratios while we stumble through another century of brilliance? When you have a chance to do something great, to take the chance. The reward, IMHO, far exceeds the risk.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes
I will consider the cost benfits and risk/reward ratios. Nomar was a risk...and cost a lot and got us nothing.  The best acquisitions are not the ones where you get a superstar but instead get someone who is undervalued like Ted Lilly.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

And when we got him...
you railed against it? Booed him? Called for McPhail's resignation?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I like Nomar
And I had high hopes for him but was worried about his injuries.  If it worked out great, but it didn't.

I don't boo a guy becasue I don't like his signing.  

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So as I understand it...
you wouldn't have done the Nomar deal?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

nomar cost a lot?
francis beltran

brendan harris

justin jones

Harris is the only one that made it to the majors and he did it with a team other than the Twins

Nomar cost very little and landed us Murton

by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah murton
woo hooo
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point, but
Superstars really can elevate a team. As solid as Lilly has been this year (save for last night), Zambrano's otherworldly "second season" has been that extra notch of special that has really carried this team. Sure, a lot of star power is overhyped, and you actually get to the postseason when you get "B" players where others saw "C"s, I'm not sure you can win it all without a few legitimate stars. The A's always knock on the door  but never seem to get it done with that thought process.

Not a knock, mind you... As said, getting the best value is going to GET you to the playoffs... but winning them usually takes more than that. We have a good blend of stars and team players now, but adding another "A" player wouldn't hurt.

With all that said, doubtful he ends up a Cub, regardless, since it might just tinker with a good thing.  

Missing Wrigley summers since 1998.

by cervantes05 on Jul 31, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

misc.
if we do make a trade today which i dont think we will i would go get omar vizquel. he's a veteran with playoff experience(cant teach) and he would be a good backup to theriot if he tanks. i see alot of people wanting trades just to make trades. gotta remmeber alot of these players(piniero,silva etc.) are extemely bottom of the barrel players. their no where near as good as what we got.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Johnny Gomes
He is reportedly available. What do you guys think? He is young and plays OF and crushes LH pitching.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh no!
That would never work! We would have to give up too much to get him! Giving up a young prospect with a lot of potential is too much to only get a young player with a lot of potential in return. </sarcasm>
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

you must mean Pie...
why isn't it possible to trade some other prospect?  Why does Pie HAVE to go if we want someone like Gomes?  We have more talent available ya know.
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean anyone..
I'm just tired of hearing every trade scenario shot down because we don't want to give up something. It's like people have forgotten that trades involve 2 or more teams GIVING UP SOMETHING.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

We certainly can give up
less than Pie IMO.
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gomes is about right...
he can play tolerable RF (did it in the minors and in Tampa), doesn't seem to suffer from limited duty, and certainly meets the RH power off the bench qualifications.  And given the D-Rays glut of OF (Gomes, Crawford, Baldelli, Upton, Young) you'd think somebody would be expendable.

The questions would be whether the D-Rays reasonable in their trade requests?

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we could probably get Gomes...
...if we gave the Rays a young pitcher (not a prospect, just a minor-leaguer that they can forcast) and a decent position-player prospect a la E-Pat. And I wouldn't be too upset about that.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

This makes
too much sense for us to pursue...
D-LEE!

by airweino on Jul 31, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about
Rocco Baldelli?  He'll be coming back from the DL and could be a great pickup.....
"I don't know why we bought the Cubs. We already had a perfectly good company softball team." ~ Tribune Co.

by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

No
Just, no.

If we are going to complain about Wood and Prior being injured he is the same as them except he doesn't rely on his arm to earn money, he relies on his legs, which are constantly bad.

Plus, he's on the DL so you can't trade for him.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...
Baldelli is injured more than Nomar.  Also, he's not even likely to come back from the DL until at least September.  And who knows what he'll provide at that point?

A side note though: Baldelli can certainly be traded for right now.  He'd just have to be a player to be named later.

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
Forgot that loophole. Let's hope that doesn't happen. He'd be super frustrating like Wood and Prior. So much talent and potential, so little ability to stay on the field.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 sets of numbers...
R   H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  SB  OBP  SLG  AVG
30 63 16   1   2    28    24   37     2  .308 .333 .241

R   H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  SB  OBP  SLG  AVG
24 48 11   0   11   28   13   58   4    .330 .508 .265     

Which player do you want?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

both...
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

neither...
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well good news and bad news...
we already have one of them.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take both of them as catcher...
...neither of them as first baseman. Position matters.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to break it to you...
but the first line of stats are JJ.

The second is Gomes.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

so either
Johnny Gomes or Jacque Jones?

hmm

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is the caveat...
Jones is 32, I think we can safely say that what you see is what your going to get with him.

Gomes is 27, has only played in 287 ML games and has never had more than 385 AB in any of the 3 seasons where hes played with any regularity. He may/should get better.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and check out...
...the nearly 200 point jump in slugging.

Yeah, I'd take Gomes over Jones.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last year Gomes had this line
 AB  R  H  2B HR  RBI  TB  BB  SO  OBP  SLG  AVG
 385 53 83 21 20  59  166  61 116 .325 .431 .216

Sure, this year I would like Gomes over Jones.  But be careful what you wish for.  If we had Gomes last year everyone would want to DFA him

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we had Gomes last year...
Dusty wouldn't have played him. Also, don't forget that he hasn't really had a chance to play full-time for an entire season. Kinda like some people's favorite step-child.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

4286 career at bats
.277 career avg
.780 caree OPS

.241 2007 avg
.641 2007 OPS

Rock on!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jacques career numbers
are better than Gomes numbers last year.

I would like to have Gomes this year, he is performing better than Jones. I'd glady switch one for the other.

All I'm saying is Gomes isn't a stud.  Gomes does have more potential and Jones is probably in decline, but Gomes isn't great and he certainly hasn't proven himself.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's tough though
He hasn't had his chance to prove himself though either. It's not like he's been getting 500ABs for a number of years now. He's like their version of Murton except that, you know, he can run, hit for power and doesn't have a noodle arm.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes but last year...
isn't all Gomes has done in his career:
  1. 348 AB, 21 HR, .282/.372/.534
  2. 181 AB, 11 HR, .265/.330/.508
Yes, Gomes had a terrible year last year.  But he was injured most of last year, too.  He's healthy this year, and his numbers seem more like his 2005 numbers.

Basically, you're arguing that Jones' norm (which may or may not be his norm anymore) is better than Gomes' worst-case scenario.

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your words, not mine.
"The best acquisitions are not the ones where you get a superstar but instead get someone who is undervalued like Ted Lilly."
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly
Point couldn't be made any better.

But again, doing a deal for Gomes would make too much sense.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you're listening
I also said
"I would like to have Gomes this year, he is performing better than Jones. I'd glady switch one for the other."

All I'm saying is he is not a proven player. He is worth taking a chance on, but I wouldn't want to give too much up for him.

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs interested in Eric Gagne!
The Cubs reportedly still have a shot at acquiring Eric Gagne, who could be used as a closer over Ryan Dempster.
The Journal News' Peter Abraham believes the Red Sox and the Cubs are the favorites, with the Red Sox offering David Murphy and Kason Gabbard. If Boston moves Gabbard, it means Jon Lester would get to stick around as the team's fifth starter.
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I have a funny feeling.....
that this is just to block the Brewers from getting him. Drive up the price, put the small market, Tony Gwynn Jr. peddling, Brewers out of it.

Or it is a big move that would definitely sure this bullpen up. Make Demp a starter???? Need a righty?? Better than Marquis!!!!

by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie for Laird, Gagne, and prospect?
or am I in fantasy land?

If Gagne is acquired, and wood comes back, along with howry/demp/marmol, the pen would look really good.

Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Fantasy Land
I think the Rangers would want Pie for Gagne straight up.  If we could trade Jones and mid-level prospect, I'd love it.  Now I'm probably in Fantasy land too.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

um....
yeah, that is fantasy land. And not in the good way.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me?
no. I'm a Cubs fan.
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO!
Why does everyone want to ship off Pie so quickly? Hendry will not deal him - he'll be our starting CF in 2008, for sure, and a probably all star in the future.

If Pie lands you Griffey, maybe you do it.  But to get another bullpen arm (even a good one like Gagne, but one who has injury history) as a rental? Forget it.

by Chadnudj on Jul 31, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

What else do we have to trade?
There is very little other teams will want and this team will need help. The teams we played were very weak. There is no way, with this squad, I could see us beating a Boston, NY, or Detroit. Pie is our only tradeable, valuable chip that you can trade to get something for a playoff run.
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what...
why are we so gung-ho about HAVING to make the playoffs this year anyway? Let's just hold on to Pie and I'm SURE he'll turn out to be the player Beltran was SUPPOSED to be for the Mets. We'll just do the playoff/LCS/WS thing NEXT YEAR...we got PLENTY of time. No worries.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

and yet
Mortgaging your future for a piece in this market really isn't something that should be done. I get that we need a player or bat or whatever, but I don't think there's a name out there that when I hear I go "Wow, that would be a great trade for us to make, both for now and perhaps next year." You don't want to do a Kazmir trade.

by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

bad market
I don't see anybody on the market that would help us out so much it would determine the season.  Unless the A-Rod for Pie rumor i just made up is true
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still like that one :)
'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 31, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

IT IS!
Just in, ARod for Pie!  Make up some more quick...time's running out!
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear we're going to have to throw in
Ronny to sweet'n the deal
'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunatley
the counterred by throwing in Giambi
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woo-Woo, Cendeno, or Santo?
n/t
Missing Wrigley summers since 1998.

by cervantes05 on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
Ruth for cash!!!
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

FANTASY LAND
Is the best.  GET GAGNE!!!
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

WHAT TIME IS THE ESPN THING ON?
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

12:30
I Think.
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah we aren't getting Gagne...
If Boston is offering Kason Gabbard AND Dale Murphy, you can kiss this idea goodbye.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm begining to believe the theory that the Cubs
were just driving up Gagne's price. They'd be fine if they could get him but I don't see them matching that bid.
'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crap
Yeah maybe if it was Dale Murphy we would have a chance, but its David Murphy.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

id like gagne
but not at the price the rangers are asking, stay away, the bullpens good and (hopefully) is going to get better soon.
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Pretty boring!
It has gotten awfully slow on the trade front this close to trade deadline. Any new rumors??
Anything being discussed on local radio?

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly...
...I find myself wishing that we had a day game today. The Cubs rumors are all pretty dull as paint or too absurd to be taken seriously. Maybe Trader Jim will shock us all, but I find myself seriously doubting it.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
I expect it to stay quiet.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball tonight
Anybody watching the Trade Deadline special???
What are they reporting?

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Currently Steve Phillips is talking...
...about Barry Bonds' home run chase. This is why he was such a horrible GM - he doesn't know what day the frakkin' non-waiver trade deadline is!
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now they're talking about...
...A-Rod's chase of the home run record and Tom Glavin getting to 300 wins. The hell? Ok, finally, Proctor for Betemit talk. Geez.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

They just reported
That Sean Marshall has been traded to oakland for jason kendall
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont get your reasoning
by saying that. what does it accomplish. if you are making fun of the fact that they mistakenly reported the wrong trade for kendall when it happend, then say that.

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um...
...he just DID say the trade they wrongly reported. I thought it was funny.
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by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol
well then i am sorry. im confined at work, and the slow trading dealine has gotten to me.

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

reports.
pending gagne's no trade clause, he has been dealt to boston.

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Rosenthal says...
Gagne to the Red Sox as long as he waives his no-trade.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

the espn special
they are saying nothing that we dont already know. were 2hours away from the deadline and as i see it we got what were gonna go with. i wholeheartedly believe we have what it takes to get us to the promiseland. all we need to do is pray for a liitle luck and some good health. until cubtober go cubbies
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Good year for a weak trade market
I'm really glad there's not alot of trades going on.  I have alot of questions about Jim's ability to make trades especially ones with payroll past this year.  I think if there was a few big names out there that we might not be able to compete, yes i realize tex was a big name but were set at 1B/3B anyways so no lose.  Hopefully the cubs can stay aggresive (resign Z) and smart(not sign ARod use money elsewhere) in this offseason, but thats another diary.
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Boston for Gagne
Doesn't surprise me.  The Red Sox would love to move Papelbon back into the rotation.  When you've got Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, Kason Gabbard and Jon Papelbon with Josh Beckett, Dice K, and Wakefield in the rotation with the possibility of Schilling come back off the DL, it's easy to make a trade.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

did't they try papelbon in the rotation
during the spring and realize that it didn't work?
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly...
they planned on trying Papelbon in the rotation, but realized their bullpen stunk and that they had a solid rotation without him.  So they kept him in the pen instead.

But they aren't going to consider moving him from the bullpen this year.  Perhaps next year (if they retain Gagne), but certainly not this late in this season.

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somewhat
It didn't work because their closer was going to be Joel Pinerio.  If they knew that Ojakima was going to be this good, Papelbon would be in the rotation.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

REPORTS:
Jack Wilson is a Tiger
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

As long
as we are getting Gagne and Laird, can we get Wilkerson too? He's left-handed, but has splits like a right-handed hitter. He could platoon with Floyd pretty well in right.

I think I'd rather have CJ Wilson than Gagne, if  we are just raiding the Rangers.

Laird, Wilson and Wilkerson for Murton, Cedeno, Pawalek and Soto. How bout that?

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't bogart that joint, my friend -
pass it over to me...
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
Pawalek is even on the DL

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Puff puff give...
puff puff give!
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

What does this mean?
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its the universal mechanics.....
of smoking pot in a rotation.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had typed the line from the song
"Don't Bogart That Joint, My Friend" by Country Joe and the Fish in response to jazzypete's previous post - it appears that he may have been smoking funny cigarettes
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fraternity of Man
Later covered by Little Feat.

Not Country Joe...

by MN exile on Aug 1, 2007 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mine was
a quote from the movie Friday...little late but I am working!  Sorry.
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

mets offering
phil humber for chad cordero. and braves offering jo-jo reyes for arroyo

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

If they pull that off...
...the Braves will have REALLY been the team to "win" the trade deadline.

Which would make it really funny if they didn't make the playoffs.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best Deadline Headline
From Yahoo
"BRAVED DANGLING WICKMAN"

Would this be some new diet exercise for him ? The Braves are
DESPERATE for a good closer so who would be MORE desperate to take Wickman off their hands?

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep the updates coming from
the Baseball Tonight show for those of us at work.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

The short version:
Steve Phillips to Fox Sports for an Analyst To Be Named Later would be AWESOME right now.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Phillips for a chicken salad sandwich
and a soda.  Sounds like a great deal.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love chicken salad
But not cubed chicken; I like it when it's kinda shredded, like pulled pork
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

ACTUAL ESPN TRADE RUMOR!
Joe Blanton to the Dodgers from the A's is being discussed, says Olney.
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by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

all the reports i am getting
arnt from the show, they are from the internet

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Me, too -
from www.mlbtraderumors.com
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

dye to redsox
deal DEAD. They couldnt agree on players. So the remaing favorites for Dye(if he doesnt sign an extension) are the Cubs, D-backs, and the Angels

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

This means
that Williams thinks there's a better deal out there for him or that Dye would not waive his no-trade clause.  I've heard that he would waive the no-trade clause to the Cubs and Angels.  I haven't heard about D'backs though.

C'mon Jim!  Cedeno plus a prospect that's not one of the top 5-7.    

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trader Jim
needs to deal Pie and Marshall, and get either Garland or Vasquez along with Dye.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could go along with that
but that would be very brave of both of them at such a late time.  I can't see a blockbuster like that happeneing without any prior talk of it.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dye
I wouldn't trade more than Ronny Cedeno for him.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

if all reports are true
the rangers gm should be given a monster raise asap. a top ss prospect,outfielder,a bushel full of stud pitching prospects and salty. not to mention a bunch of salary relief.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

CUBS TRADE RUMOR!
...Hendry is pursuing Ryan Church. Wow. Stale.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

As long as
we don't give anything up, Church would be a nice pickup.

We're not getting Griffey or Dunn.  The ownership situation pretty much prevents that.

by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite...
...I think those deals are off mostly because the Reds aren't selling. Dunn would be a free agent after this year anyway.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
that's true too.

I just meant we aren't getting a big name, and two Reds were the first that came to mind.

by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

espn
is lightyears behind rosenthal sports i mean fox sports. they havent reported anything that hasnt been reported 30 minutes beforehand by ken rosenthal. i like gammons but he is washed up. buster olney is a has not and jayson stark is flat out horrible.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Rosenthal
is now the king of insider baseball reporting now that Gammons has had to slow it down.

Problem is that he doesn't have the megaphone that is ESPN.  Hopefully he'll go to ESPN soon or, even better, the new MLB channel.

by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember, everyone...
... just because 3 pm (CT) passes with no announcements, doesn't mean there aren't any deals. Sometimes it takes an hour or two to get the details ironed out (it did 3 years ago for the Nomar deal).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Also...
just because deals might not happen today, doesn't mean deals won't happen.  Plenty of things will happen over the next month as players clear waivers, too.

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

SWEET!
Now I have something to to all the way up until 5 o'clock! I thought I might have to work for a couple of hours.

Thanks, Al!

"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

no kidding
my productivity was so much higher when the cubs sucked and i didn't feel like reading much about them
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Padres getting Rob Mackowiak...
...from WS.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Where'd you get that?
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buster Olney...
...on BBTN.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess
the Dodgers and Diamondbacks are going to have to make a big move now or they might as well give up in the West now. <sarcasm>

by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait
I thought the point of the trade deadline was to make trades that help you if you are in playoff contention.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

*** SIDEBAR ***
What a lousy trade deadline, when we're reporting on Rob Mackowiak...
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there a list where
i can see who all the waiver players are???  And if someone could expliain, ive never really understood the waiverw.  how does it work???
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Wikipedia article
I haven't checked veracity, but maybe this article provides an explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions

"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Jul 31, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know where...
you can track this, but waivers work like this:

Team puts player on waiver.  If player clears waivers (i.e., no one claims player in the allotted time), then that player is free to be traded.  If a team claims the player, then there is a 72-hour window in which the two teams can negotiate a trade.  Or the original team can revoke the waivers, and are stuck with the player for the rest of the year.

Waiver claims are ordered from the worst team in the league to the best team, so bad teams have the first crack at all of the waiver players.

by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You really can't...
...the waiver wire itself is one of the best-kept secrets in pro sports, so far as I can tell.
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by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

braves improved offer for arroyo
they must really want him. they are offering jo-jo reyes and yunel escobar.(i probly spelt wrong)

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Williams
I suppose Dye could clear waivers in a post-deadline deal, but he has more return value right now. That said, KW has to lower his price as the deadline nears and nobody (Red Sox, Angels, Cubs) has bitten.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Jul 31, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dye nets some decent draft picks...
...and there is still a chance the Sox can get a deal with him. Williams is probably going to hold out for a big deal.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iguchi, Mackowiak for prospects -
Sox are going young and going into a rebuilding year. We know what that's like, no? That would explain the hyperactive dealing of Dye, too.
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand arbitration
but don't the Sox have to offer him arbitration to get the draft picks?

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Dye isn't going...
...to want a one-year deal so he won't accept it. Only guys like Todd Walker are going to accept arbitration. (Wow, did that screw San Diego, by the way.)
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I could figure out how to relate confusion
via the keys on my keyboard, I would do so right now, as I have 0 idea as to how that works.
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kenny's priced himself
out of the market and lied about trying to negoatiate an extension with Dye and now that he's been outed by Dye's agent, he's a-scramblin', methinks...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dye will be gone by 3
Personally, I think that the Angels make more sense for him as they really need protection for Vlad.  Juan Rivera is a big question mark for them.  

Short of that, I could see Dye being a Cub.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Stoneman doesn't have the
cajones to deal w/ KW.  Forget Anaheim.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then Dye will be a Cub
and Hendry would have played this situation like a Stradivarius.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trading between the Cubs and Sox
is always a touchy thing, but I am sure Hendry has told Kenny - before you finalize a deal for Dye, let's talk one more time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

price must have dropped as reported by
Denver Post, Sunday.

If not Marmol then who or what? Cherry or Petrick and another mid level prospect?

I would do this deal.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Jul 31, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that anybody...
...who we do not expect to contribute this year not named Felix Pie should be available. I would be wary of dealing Gallagher because we could still need him, but other than that...
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about
including one or two of our 107 outfielders? I'd least like to see Floyd go, with Murton a close second. Reason being, Dye is an injury threat, and Floyd ain't a kid.
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Torii Hunter to the Cubs for Mark Prior, Jaque...
...Jones and a PTBNL!  Just heard it on ESPN radio!

OK, sorry I just had to do one.  See ya again next July 31st!

by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 31, 2007 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

NO SOUP FOR YOU
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW I would do that deal
and probably never stop laughing, depending on the PTBNL.
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mark Prior?
I thought DL'd players couldn't be traded.  is the PTBNL an orthopedic Surgean
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball Tonight...
...just moved over to ESPN 2 and was renamed Sportscenter. No clue why.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

This may be
the funniest post of the day. Thanks, cwyers!
"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jul 31, 2007 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

They did it, though!
It was on ESPN, it moves to ESPN, they go to a Sportscenter Update, and suddenly the set says Sportscenter! Absolutely wild. It's still the BBTN set and everything.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN probably has
underwater basket weaving on next.  You know how they have to get those great, new, extreme sports on these days...
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Jul 31, 2007 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Ensburg to Padres.
n/t
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by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Ensburg/Mackoviak
Why would they pick up both today??

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bolster their bench.
Lot of low risk, low reward moves from them this year.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Sledge and Kouzmanoff are horrid...
not that Ensburg and Mackowiak are any better...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

But they have added...
Ensberg, Mackoviak, Harriston in the last couple day, all of which are at best part time reserves that play similiar positions. Seems awfully redundant.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, you mean that...
...you DON'T need seven players to play the corner positions? LIES!
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to the Hendry-Baker Theory,
now that they have seven players at corner positions, they must acquire ~5 second basemen, posthaste.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget -
it's important to have a 3rd, 4th and 5th catcher on the 40-man at all times
"Alou spelled backwards is Uola!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely.
You never know when you going to need that 5th 2B and 5th catcher for your 5th double-switch of an inning...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once we acquire Laird we'll be all set
for at least the next week or so
"Alou spelled backwards is Uola!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that happens,
we could change the defensive lineup everytime Lou goes to the pen! Wouldn't that be fun!
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would look like a volleyball game
(or the Cubs outfield) with all that rotating in-and-out
"Alou spelled backwards is Uola!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now SD needs
to bring back Todd Walker...  That team's so done.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

new idea
lets trade for every garbage player available and be just like the padres. one thing i dont understand is why all these garbage teams like the reds arent dumping everyone they can. the rangers are stockpiling big time. te reds wont be any good next year or the year after that and arent trading anyone.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

The Reds are kinda like Tampa Bay
they continually dangle players, but rarely deal, and they both suck.  Go figure.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

NSBB...
...has posters saying Bruce Levine reporting on Cubs interest in Dye. No further details yet.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

From BP's Kevin Goldstein...
In a chat right now.

jetmax (Naperville, IL): How active do you think the Cubs are right now? Lou seems content with what he has but I don't think Hendry is that comfortable.

Trade Deadline Team: They're defnitely active, but I'm not sure anything is close. They might add a veteran bat like Payton or Conine before the afternoon is out, but that's about it.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Hendry needs to make his annual deal
w/ Baltimore.  He's already dealt with SD..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

BBTN/Sportscenter...
...says that the Orioles are "done," and then cracked wise about how they never really started.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

does BBTN/SC have the rundown on the right
then it would be BBTN/SC/PTI.
When in doubt punch Barret in the face

by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've seen a demo of the Character Generator...
...they use at ESPN, and I'm just waiting for Sportscenter/Baseball Tonight/etc. to start looking like the NFL Draft does. They almost don't need cameras anymore. It's absurd.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

BBTN/Sportscenter
Heh. It's like the creepy X-Files episode from years ago when the space-time ripple was moving through the desert and embedding people together, people into rocks, etc. BBTN and SC have finally snapped the fabric of reality and have merged into one. Who's on the set? Is Gammons protruding from Phillips' side? Olney's? Is Kruk there? Is he stuck, now a part of the desk in front of him?
"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jul 31, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

30 Minutes to go!!
Does Hendry pull off a last minute trade???
Dye??
Conine?
Nothing?

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Lets get Dye...
Why not... make a splash... just for the sake of splashing
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's got to do SOMETHING,
doesn't he?

You can not be content with Cedeno/Murton as RH bats off the bench and Eyre/Ohman as LH pitchers in the bullpen.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a smart guy;
you don't think he's been looking for anyone who likes any of those 4?
"Alou spelled backwards is Uola!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
need more power...   Murton, Jones and Floyd can barely out homer TheRiot and Fontenot...  
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd think
but trading is a two way street.  Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.  

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope
Cedeno was up as a showcase.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad
He was a 'no show'
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
He "showed" why he was in Triple A.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate
that term.... but its true.  On the other hand the best deals are something like Torii Hunter for Ronny C.  Give or take...  :)
"I don't know why we bought the Cubs. We already had a perfectly good company softball team." ~ Tribune Co.

by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't see
Kenny Williams passing on Cedeno/Cherry or something equivalent for a 6 week player.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am sure
he can get better draft picks...
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

but how long
will it take those picks to turn into anything...if they do at all.  cherry immediately becomes one of his better relievers, cedeno is already better than uribe.
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's not really
saying much...

I'll bet Boston can trump Cherry & Cedeno.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

We will know for sure by 4 or so
but I agree with you.  In the end, Willimas will take the best offer for him.  He may have been hoping for Pie, but he'll settle for Cedeno/Cherry or whomever.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

*** SIDEBAR ***
I've only seen JJ's name in this thread once or twice - amazing what a few weeks can do to people's perspective
"Alou spelled backwards is Uola!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...
...damn shame nobody will take him without us paying out his entire salary. Moving on.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets Trade Jaque
(Twice)
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ensberg...
... to the Fathers.
PERRY!!!!

by Goat Whisperer on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

That's not a bad deal for them...
 I half expected Hendry to do it, just to get a cheap RH bat for the bench.

by Damen Jackson on Jul 31, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on
Jimbo. Come one... I haven't lost TOTAL faith yet... key word yet...
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Lost faith in what?
we've been winning just fine with the team we have, it's not like the team will get worse if we don't make a deal.
Eamus Catuli!

by sackings108 on Jul 31, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lost faith
he'll trade Cedeno for something.
Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You couldn't trade
Cedeno for a pair of David Ortiz's spit stained batting gloves. What makes you think Hendry can get anything of vaule in return for him?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The gloves would definitely be worth more on Ebay
"Now for sale, Ronny Cedeno!  No Reserve!  He can play on your little league team and you guys can win! Just don't bring him up to the next league"

Opening bid - 0.01$

by GoCubbies34 on Jul 31, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets get this deadline over
and turn our attention to a win coupled with a brewer loss (Glavin's 300 W)
"I don't know why we bought the Cubs. We already had a perfectly good company softball team." ~ Tribune Co.

by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I love this idea
Goodluck tonight Marquis.  We are counting on you.  
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN's crawl...
...is showing the Kendall-for-Bowen trade. Why?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Recap of all trades
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

JIMBO!!!
CMON MAN!  Trade your Triple A Hall O Famers!
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps we're seeing
the value of Cedeno and Murton.  Guys with no room on the team..  

Zero...

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know why everyone wants to see Glavines 300th?
Cause everyone is cheering for the Cubs to take first place.  If we win and the Brewers lose, we are up in winning percentage by .0003 points!!!!
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I am sorry to say..
that if we stand pat with the hole in RF and are expecting Wood to do a 2006 Fernando Rodney impression, then we shouldn't be surprised if/when we make the playoffs to get trounced out easily in the LCS. Assuming we get that far.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

The Mets, Dodgers
and whomever takes the Wild Card (probably Atlanta) will all be better.  Cubs will need lots of luck.  Of course, the average fan will be thrilled w/ beating Milwaukee for the division. :(
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is disappointing...
...we need an EVERYDAY RF.  Instead, we have four sometimes RF.  I am disappointed to have a fantastic off-season and great winter talks and NOTHING before the deadline.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

with 5 min 2 go
i am dissappointed.. not that i dont like the team we have. i just would like to 2 have seen a deal for a RF, Becuase we have the peices to trade. maybe jim can work some 2 min magic

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

As Al said earlier
just because we don't hear right at 3 doesn't mean that no deal has occured.  It may take MLB offices a bit of time to sort out the paperwork before they announce anything, perhaps as much as an hour or so.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want...
these three hours of my life back.

by StanfordCub on Jul 31, 2007 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Five Minutes to Deal!!
Will there be a last minute Nomar-like trade this year??

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Remember Nomar!
That trade didn't get announced until after the deadline passed.  
Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

if dye isnt traded
i hope they cant reach a deal with him. so they are kinda screwed. Give it up kenny, your done this year.

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

How long after the deadline passed
did they announce the Nomar deal?
I was thinking it was at least 20-30 minutest afterwards.

by GoCubsGo! on Jul 31, 2007 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't
hold your breath.  We have our squad.  Lets go get a championship...
"I don't know why we bought the Cubs. We already had a perfectly good company softball team." ~ Tribune Co.

by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

This team,
as is, is not strong enough to go to the World Series and win.

Strong enough to win the division, not strong enough to win it all. Still crossing my fingers for a late DYE trade.

"And Cubs fans: Play nice or go home." - Jeff Sackmann

by ilovepie on Jul 31, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
at least we can agree we both love pie.... especially blueberry.
"I don't know why we bought the Cubs. We already had a perfectly good company softball team." ~ Tribune Co.

by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Went to that Game on the deadline
Word got out on the street at the local taverns as soon as the 1:20 PM game ended that day.  So, maybe it was 4:00 PM Chicago time back then?

I remember running into people on the street saying that the Cubs just picked up Nomar and that it was on the ESPN.

There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops
Wrong reply...meant to post his a level up.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure
if you intended this, but your subtle use of "the ESPN" made me chuckle.
Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yanks
Begging people to take fransworth. I would gladly take him if they pay most of his salary. I think coming home mite do him som good? anyone agree

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I have a female friend
who would love to have him back at Tai's at 4:00 am, but that would have nothing to do with baseball.  Her lust notwithstanding, I'd rather he stay in NY.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!
I was just going to say, I'm sure he can get a bartending job at Tai's!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would ...
Require too much intelligence on his part.  The best bartending gig he could hope to get is at the Phi Psi house where he could ask, "Do you want a cup with that swallow from the kegger?"

hehehe ...

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dang!
I miss Tai's. How is that place these days, anyway? It's been several years since I've moved away. Used to hang out there and the Empty Bottle quite a bit though....
"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jul 31, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way I want him back in Chicago
is with the white sox.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Jul 31, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny
I remember people griping about losing Farns last year.. Same people griping about Patterson too..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah we need a 100+ mph hurler
w/ 0 control and 0 movement.
"Alou spelled backwards is Uola!"

by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

and low IQ
The last thing the Cubs need is low IQ guys like Barrett, Farns and Cedneo.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kyle + Lakeview = bad news.
I know he's a little older now, but do the Cubs really want Kyle back in the neighborhood? Moreover, we have a ton of fireballing right-handers already.

by ClosingTime on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

NESN is reporting...
Gagne to Boston...He waived his no-trade...
Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay ...
That was a waste of television.  No Cubbie deal?  Goodness, Hendry is getting limper with each passing year.

I still think we need RF and SP for the long haul through (!) October.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jul 31, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

If nothing
gets announced, our shots @ a series have diminished. There is hardly any chance we could get past an AL team with only black holes in CF,RF, and C especially w/ some of those lineups. It'll be very dissapointing if Jimbo did nothing...

I was hoping Cedeno and Phillips for the last couple hours of my life back and a cardboard cutout of Lou to take Phillips place but time has rejected my offer.

Deadline is soon! GET A BAT!!!!

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Just shows that
guys like Cedeno and Murton are vastly overrated by some on this board and others..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your interpretation
is flawed as usual.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 31, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

These guys have little value..
Why are you even posting anymore?  You basically wrote this team off months ago..  Go away..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Show me
where I wrote this team off or shut the hell up.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Jul 31, 2007 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a team that is one game out of first place
the reactions to all of this make me want to puke.  

The Cubs are going to be just fine..

"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

1 game out
is the reason we should have amde a move! If we were up by 7 or 8 games standing pat would be fine. but there are obviously some holes in right field and the back end of the rotation. those holes will be exposed if not in the regular season then in the playoffs.
We need some one in RF who knows what there doing. Hell i would take Burnitz over floyd and murton!!

by jfkjunior2004 on Jul 31, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here...
A Cardinal friend of mine (Yeah, I know) said that the Brewers are the Reds from last year.

That, as well as the possibility of forcing a .235 hitter into RF day in and day out for a couple of prospects, really makes this okay.

The only trades I would have liked would have been for Torii Hunter or Gagne.  Even Marte from Pittsburgh.  Other than that, I would have been, "Who and why?"

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
and you never know.  Maybe they got torii hunter before the deadline?
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marte...
... ugh.

"Damaso Marte" is Spanish for "Will Ohman". Glad they didn't do that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

To a certain extent, but...
look what LH hitters have done against him this year.

4 for 46, 20 K's and 6 walks.

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some fans
would like to win the World Series.  Sorry.  

LA, NY and ATL are all better than the Cubs..  

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way
dodgers, not enough offense, atlanta, not enough pitching...whats atlantas rotation?

the point is, every nl team is flawed, and i think the cubs are the least flawed of the bunch.

Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be thankful
the Cubs play in the brutal NL Central and face an easier schedule..  Food for thought...
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?
No power from anywhere other than lf, 3b, and 1b(maybe). Marquis and Hill have been hittable lately and Marshall has never pitched a full season. There is no one reliable from the left side in the 'pen. Need I go on? If we're THAT much better than all these teams, then why did we have to run through a 2 month stretch of horrid teams to make it into the race?

Rant Over.

The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha
i never said we were THAT much better, but to automatically assume those teams are better is a little ridiculous to me.  Atlanta has no rotation to speak of...so dont start saying that guys whos ERA are still under 4 on our team are questionable when others, Dodgers, Mets, Atlanta ALL have more questions in the rotation.

haha, and you say wheres our power, where the hell is LA's power?  nomar has the worst ops among 3b in the MLB.  Pierre, no-power-furcal, if you are going to tell me that Russ Martin's 25 and Jeff Kents 30 homer pop are scarier than DLee, Aramis and Soriano then i dont know what sport you are watching.

Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Jul 31, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

My problem is
we ran over horrible teams and we're only 6 games over and everyone is content.
The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i agree
this week should tell us where we stand with 2 more against the phils and then ny
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Aug 1, 2007 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's
because the Cubs are currently in second place, and have zero power from C, 2b, ss, CF, and RF, and don't have anyone reliable on the left side of the bullpen. Oh, and Rich Hill and Marquis have been very hittable lately, and Marshall has never pitched a full season.

But I guess since it "ain't broke" whe should just let Hendry tell us everything will be fine and that he made the best two trades at the deadline--getting Wood back, and this "trade you don't make" that is apparently the best trade.

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

See what waiting for the three-run homer...
...did for us in year's past.
Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine
but right now we're waiting for 5 consecutive singles to score those 3 runs, and there are usually 2-3 guys in the lineup who can't hit. I don't think wanting 4 guys in the lineup to hit for power is too much to ask.  Going into the season, Hendry thought he had enough power, but that was when Floyd was thought to be healthy and hitting for power, and they had a plus power guy at catcher.

But they replaced Barrett and his stick with nothing, and Floyd hasn't had the power they thought he would. Some of that is made up for the improved defense at catcher, but no amount of good defense is going to make up for the 30-40 home runs from those two guys you thought you were going to get.

The fact is the Cubs are 19th in baseball in runs scored, 22nd in home runs, and 20th in OPS. This team is below average on offense--it would have to have 2005 white sox-type pitching to win the series. You know Zambrano will do that, is there anyone else on the staff you feel confident will shut another contending team down? Lily and Marshall have been great, and the other two have been good at times, but when you are behind all the other contending teams offensively, you really have to have a stacked rotation, and I'm not sure the Cubs staff will pitch as well all year as they did in the first half.

Maybe I'm wrong, but with a weak NL, an impending sale to an owner with an unknown payroll, and LOTS of backloaded contracts that could hamper the team in the future, I would like to have seen SOMETHING done to address the glaring weakness on this team, even if it means overpaying a bit to get the team to the world series.

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

One player...
wouldn't improve those stats and rankings.  

We would have to bring Torii, Dye and Eckstein in to get those rankings up.  How many prospects would you be willing to move to get all of those...Then we would have had to got rid of, or send down Pagan, Fontenot and a reliever...

The point is we got the team we got.  The only glaring weakness was LH power and LH relief.

Like everyone else.  Enter supply/demand.

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point
If we can't improve enough to take us from middle of the road to number 1, than why try?

LH relief was a need, but the real need was a power RF, whether right or left handed. There isn't much RH power on this team, but they have the most trouble with LH starters, so I think Dye would have been a perfect fit.

And I would move whetever prospects necessary if I thought it would get us a world series.

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would do the same thing with prospects,
we just happen to disagree on the the value of adding Dye to make this team better.

I can understand the LH relief, I am a big fan of adding Marte.

Dye, to me, wasn't worth impacting the playing time of DeRosa, Fontenot and still doesn't solve our CF issue, to me a more pressing concern.

So you would have been a big fan of getting Dunn, then?

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes
I would have been happy with Dunn. If there was a power bat in right, I would be fine with Pie or Pie/Pagan in center. CF is a very temporary concern, as Pie shold come around if given consistent ABs, and even if he doesn't hit he's still a plus plus defender. Floyd doesn't really give you anything in right, and he doesn't give Ramirez any protection, so I see that as the big need on the team.

I think Fontenot did a great job, but, as expected, the advanced scouting has caught up with him, and he has a .460 OPS in july. I'm not to worried about finding at bats for him.

Put Dye in right 4-5 days a week, with Floyd picking up the other days. Derosa is at second most days, and I think you have a much better lineup.

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.
Dunn or Dye would have cost us Pie.  That's why we're talking about "why didn't we do anything" instead of "when's Dye playing?"

That's what, in the end, this is about.  What can we get for what we want to get rid of...And that's why the rumors are more abundant than the facts.

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loud Sustained Applause
Thank You!
The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny how 6 games over equals
"ain't broke."  That mentally so epitomizes average Cubs' fan.  I really like Al's site, but that mentality is so typical...  

Big market franchises like the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Red Sox aren't content w/ 6 games over..

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jul 31, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen
to that.
The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agreed
You said it, bro/sis.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Jul 31, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree if....
...the Cubs give more bullpen innings to younger pitchers and start giving the older guys more rest.  I can see the bullpen rotation of veterans such as Eyre, Howry, and Dempster imploding in the playoffs.  Lou at least appears not to fixate on HIS guys the way another manager did.

I like the everyday lineup and the bench.

by DudeVf11 on Jul 31, 2007 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

im not at all saying
that the cubs are doomed or not a good team. I just would have liked to see improvement. Considering most of the contending teams improved.

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

All of the contending teams improved...
Really? All of them?
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Most"
Is going to be your reply, sorry about that.
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was reading
your above post thinking "did you not read that?" then I saw this and laughed out loud.
Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Jul 31, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know,
like what a jerk!!
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'll pass judgement...
...until the end of the year before the teams that got players improved...

We don't know how Gagne, after not pitching in a Yankee series, will respond.

We don't know how Jermaine Dye would have been in this locker room.

We don't know how we would have fit sixteen catchers into our lineup...

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Dye
supposed to be a quiet, lead by example guy? Not sure why that wouldn't fit in.

by jazzypete on Jul 31, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point is...
The point is that we've played damn good ball up to this point, and I'm not particularly thrilled about the idea of bringing someone else in to mess this up.

Blame me for not wanting to tinker right now.  I would know more if the trade deadline was August 30th instead of today.

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO
I LOVE this!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2007 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

No decent deals today eh?
Thought for sure the Sox would trade Dye...guess getting couple draft choices when he leaves as FA is just as attractive as what was offered...

Thought Cubs would do SOMETHING even if smallish..guess could still come until Cub website or someone says "no deals for Cubs''...

by writerinwrigley on Jul 31, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

omg
what in the ---- did u know nothing about baseball, 1/2 ass cub fans want? you dont make trades just to make trades. there wasnt much out there that we didnt already have. we have no need for texiera,ensberg,lohse,betemit,pineiro, or any other of the crappy players that were traded. we dont need gagne and his 6 miilion dollar salary. we have 3 closers-demp,howry, and marmol. if willy mo pena and a minor leaguer couldnt get a deal for dye done what do u think he asked us for? dye is having a crappy year. he's no better than what we have. dunn and griffey were probably never going anywhere to begin with. pure specualtion! we dont need starting pitching-what we have might not be perfect but their well above avg. hendry did exactly what he was supposed to and thats not unload his whole minor leagues for players that would have a hard time finding a taker in the offseason.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

half ass cub fans?
sorry for WANTING to improve. So if i was a REAL cubs fan, I wouldnt want the cubs to improve at all. I get it now.

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

abra ka dabra
improvements made. we didnt add a bunch of garbage players like the padres did!
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
just being someone wanted and thought the Cubs could improve makes them a half-ass fan. Seems it's the other way.
The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to defend the whiners
but at least most of them can write in English.

I don't see how some of you people aren't embarrassed to death that you don't have the literacy skills of a second grader.

by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

or that you actually care....
ha...

blah blah blah...

sorry we weren't all born to be writters...

"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

writers...
oopsy daisy
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction
I think you meant to say "I don't see how some of you people aren't embarrassed to death that you have the literacy skills of a second grader".  Using "aren't embarrassed" and "don't have" together created a double negative.  

I will never give up my quest to uplift the quality of the written word in this country, even if it's one person at a time.  

"Something has to give and since there aren't 8 or 9 pitchers sitting around on the trade market, I think it has to be El Suckerpuncho." - TMOX, 6/14/07

by TMOX on Jul 31, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Zell exerting ...
That much influence over Hendry's conundrum?  A big name might have been nice for an extra shot of adrenaline to the team and its hungry fans.  I mean, I like our chances at the division, but beyond that, I'm scratching my head over the fact (so far) that this team wasn't willing to make THE statement that we're absolutely in it to win.

Aren't trades still avaliable after today ... isn't it a waiver thing, now?  I'm not at all up on the rules from here on out.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jul 31, 2007 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn man...
Padres are racking up. Ensberg and Mackowiak are good pickups for them.

Braves are loading for bear too.

Seems all the contenders are, except us.

Well, we did get Kendall. Oh man, I have gotta do this...

Sung to the tune of Arrested Development's Mr. Wendal


Here, have a shinguard,
in fact no brotherman here, have two
Two shinguards means nothing for me,
but it means a big deal to you
Be strong, serve Cubs only,
know that if you do, beautiful Wrigley awaits
That's the poem I wrote for the first time
I saw a man with no average, no ribbies, no HR's.
Mr. Kendall, that's his name,
A's traded him cause they thought he was a no-one
Never thought twice about his lack of homeruns,
until I had the chance to really get to see one
Now that I know him, to give him playing time isn't charity
He gets a weekly hit, I buy him some cleats
And to think Cubs spend all that money on big prospects,
still most of them can't even compete

Go ahead, Mr. Kendall
hey hey hey hey-a-a-a yeah
Go ahead, Mr. Kendall
hey hey hey hey-a-a-a yeah
Yeaaaahhhh Mr. Kendall

Mr. Kendall has freedom,
a freedom that you and I think is dumb
Free to be without the worries of a high batting average
or driving in too many runs
His only worries are wild pitches
and an occasional harassment by the baserunner and a stolen base
Washed up we call him,
but I just saw him get his first hit since May
Cubs fans, are we really fans, yes or no?
Who are we to judge?
When dozens of players could be easily traded
we took the man who is the opposite of Pudge
Mr. Kendall has tried to warn us about our ways
but we don't hear him talk
Is it thanks to him we've got this far,
and we goin' far, cause on him we walk (and steal)
Mr. Kendall, a catcher, a human in flesh,
but no passed-ball
I feed you dignity to catch with pride,
realize that you'll be hitting .250 in the fall

Mr. Kendall, yeah yeah yeah, Lord, Mr. Kendall

Go ahead, Mr. Kendall
hey hey hey hey-a-a-a yeah
Go ahead, Mr. Kendall
hey hey hey hey-a-a-a yeah
Yeaaaahhhh Mr. Kendall

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jul 31, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Ensberg and Mackowiak are good pickups?
In what alternate universe is THIS true?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2007 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alternate universes and quantum physics and stuff
Well, I don't know about alternating parallel universes and dangling participles, but here's my thoughts.

Ensberg is a very solid player. An all-star in 05, and I think he finished in the top 5 in MVP voting that season. Not sure what his dropoff in numbers is all about this year, including his power outage (kinda like one of our guys), but he provides a good bit of depth and options for the Padres, something which they did need. I don't anticipate his numbers staying down. I don't figure he will replace Kouz at third base, but he gives them a solid fill-in, and can play first as well if needed. They bring him back to his own backyard where he lives, and gets him out of Houston, and he provides a big bat off the bench. More importantly, the Astros are paying his salary. So the question is, in what universe, alternating or direct, is that not a good move?

Mackowiak, on the other hand, doesn't have the pop that Ensberg does, but has an attractive amount of versatility. He provides a reliable left-handed stick when needed. These aren't guys who are going to be everyday starters, but let's face it, if you are going to be a contender, you had better have some depth off the bench.

Are they better now than they were? Time will tell. Do they have more depth and versatility? Absolutely.

Prior to trades: Limited bench depth and options.

After pickups: Options offensively and defensively.

Good pickups. My opinion, yours may vary. :)

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 1, 2007 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Augh!
My signature wasn't part of the song. Damned Italics!

GO CUBS!!!

Florida Cubbie

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Jul 31, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Well I guess Hendry...
will be content to do the Padre Playoff Pushover. Yawn.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Improvement
is having won 55(56?) games by the end of July vs 43 last year.

Improvement is having 5 starters in your rotation without having to call up someone new from the the minors every other week.

Improvement is having a team that struggled early show drastic improvement over the last two months.

This team has some holes, and could use some tweaks, but as it is, this is a MUCH better team than last year.

I know this isn't news to anyone, but the Cards won last year. Wildcard teams have been winning the WS.  Get to the playoffs and get hot.

Having a different RF or a LH reliever isn't the magic piece that gets us there.  Lou, starting pitching and the guys we can count on like Lee, ARam, DeRosa and Soriano are.  We'll be there.  Hendry did the right thing. Nothing

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

And I would submit...
that if/when we get to the LCS...nothing is what we'll do again.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm done with you
Your misery, hatred, and pessimism are not worth my time.

You seem like the kind of person who is never pleased.  You seem to know everything yet are content with nothing.

Have you seen what this team has done?  Do you understand the turnaround that has happened?

Open your eyes and rejoice in a pennant race.

Go Cubs....I believe

by El Borto on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe too.
ITS GONNA HAPPEN
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Jul 31, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

His username should
tell you all you need to know....

by LT on Jul 31, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be rooting like crazy...
for this team, the one we have now, to keep up the winning baseball. I just don't think we have the balanced offense we need or the dependable pitching required to sustain us through Oct. You think I'm full of hatred and pessimism, I think your looking at things with rose colored glasses. We disagree. I don't hate you or anyone else. Well, maybe I hate Chris Berman, but that's another story.

I agree that there were no "blockbuster" deals to be made with what was available. I won't go so far as to say that leaving this roster as it is will be enough. Since I know everything, Hendry will get an arm for the bullpen, and since I'm content with nothing, I already hate whoever it is. Oh, and the sequel to the Simpsons Movie will also be very bad.  

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 31, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

omg
you just dont get it!!! what big name was there available? we have d lee why would we need texiera? not any other big name trades made. i heard it best the other day---with baseball making as much money as it is right teams dont have to dump players just for the purpose of salary relief. 99% of the time a division rival isnt gonna trade their superstars to you. no matter what. so a griffey or dunn trade wouldnt have happened anyway.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 31, 2007 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I wasn't talking Tex or Gagne.
Who needs 'em?  I'm still a bit sentimental over a Griffey trial-run.  He said the Cubs were on his short list, he's played under Lou ... and who exactly is hitting the bleachers currently whilst playing the Cubbies' RF?  Okay, yes, I looove de Rosa, but he's such a put-him-anywhere filler-inner, I'd hate to see him stuck to a single position.  I'd love to see Murton come alive.  But ... we have a chance at winning it all!

So, Griffey gets hurt.  What are summer rentals good for ... other than a steamy romance?

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Jul 31, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay...so it appears that the Cubs stood pat...
...with what they've got. Right now, the Cubs are playing .500 baseball. After a torrid month-and-a-half or so, we're starting to see some "human" in the Cubs. There have been 3 things that really stood out to me as the deadline approached. They are:

1.) The most pressing need that the Cubs have right now is that #5 spot in the batting order. For the most part, Cliff has hit well when he's been healthy, and he's also played a better right field than what I expected. He hasn't played a great right field, but it has been average. However, really since the series with the Giants, I've seen lapses in the offense that have been troubling. Though I completely realize that power bats -preferrably left-handed- are extremely hard to come by, I was hoping that the Cubbies would be able to pull of some kind of a deal before the deadline. Don't tell anybody, but I have a sort of soft spot in my heart for Griffey, Jr. in a Cubs uniform (I know all of the downside to that, including health and money, but just bare with me). I also know all of the reasons that a Griffey deal wouldn't happen, but, hey, can't blame me for wishing...

2.) Left-handed relief pitching help in the bullpen. Ohman and Eyre aren't getting it done consistently. They're not even getting it done consistently on a "situational" basis. Though Scott has been pitching better of late, I still feel my toenails begin to curl whenever he comes into a ballgame. There were very few "southpaw" relievers available heading into the deadline, but I was hoping that JH would be able to pull something off. Say, Damaso Marte from Pittsburgh. Before anyone blasts me for that comment, here are his stats this season: 43 G, 32.2 IP, 1.38 ERA,
35 K, and 0.95 WHIP. Against lefty hitters? 15.1 IP, 0.80 BAA (batting average against), 20 K, 0.65 WHIP. The best part about that deal would've been that he's cheap. Even if he reverted to the Damaso Marte from the last couple of years, he'd still only get paid $2M next season. I'll take that over Ohman.

3.)Jason Marquis is beginning to scare me, and I mean he's starting to scare me a lot. Maybe he'll get straightened out beginning tonight, but, if not, almost any kind of insurance plan would've made me feel a little better. It's not every year that the Cubs gear up for a playoff run, and I just don't want anything -like most here- to get in the way of October baseball on the North Side. There were basically no available starting pitchers worth anything, and any mediocre SP that were available had a lot of interest from around baseball. I didn't expect anything to happen in this area, but there's nothing wrong with wishing...

Okay, I'm sorry about the incredibly long post, but I figured I'd throw out some stuff...
In the mean time...GO CUBS!!!

Ahh, finally...spring has arrived...

by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Right on.
Only three guys would have worth getting.

Torii Hunter.
Damaso Marte.
Eric Gagne.

Everyone is overpriced.

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everybody was overpriced...
The trade market at this year's deadline was really weak. Hunter would've been a nice bat to add, but the Twins would've wanted the entire Cubs' farm system for him. They may try to resign him after the season, depending on the "hometown discount" he would be willing to give them. Plus, the reason that I didn't mention him is that -correct me if I'm wrong- Hunter has a few teams that he can veto a trade to, and the Cubs are one of them. Apparently he likes to rob homers in center, and he's not willing to scale the bricks and ivy :).
Ahh, finally...spring has arrived...

by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jul 31, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Morris to the Pirates?
mlbtraderumors.com is reporting Morris went to the Pirates...
The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Jul 31, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
Matt Morris to Pirates for Rajai Davis

by carmenfanzone on Jul 31, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

that might mean....
....they're trying to move Dave Roberts. Fred Lewis is a decent player and I've read where they have 3 minor league outfielders they're anxious to "test" in the major leagues.

by carmenfanzone on Jul 31, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aug 31 Next
I still don't see the upside for the White Sox to keep Dye unless they think that they can get something done with him going through waivers.  

So, we will see.

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I am a little stunned
That the Cubs didnt make any moves...there wasnt a LH reliver worth taking a flyer on?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Jul 31, 2007 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

with all this trade hype, I haven't thought of
games tonight! only 1.0 out, lets go and destroy the Phillies tonight!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 31, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought mariotti did a great job in his column
today.  If mcdonough and hendry really meant last offseason that the goal was to win the world series then they would have done something to improve this team.  Their thoughts right now that "oh, were playing good lately, there's obviously no way this team can be improved".  We have no #5 hitter!!! Cliff Floyd is no protection for ramirez and he sucks ass defensively.  Jones is still a hack in CF, Pagan is fine in his role which is a backup outfielder who plays solid defense and can hit a little.  This lineup though is still not intimidating.  Soriano only hits every couple weeks, Lee still isn't as intimidating as he used to be, and Ramirez is the only one who really strikes fear into opposing pitchers.  Someone like Dye could have added a little more to this lineup and it's really dissapointing we couldn't have found a non-pie deal for him, even if it is for a couple months, and if the goal is to "win the world series, now!"
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Jul 31, 2007 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

As per his usual,
Mariotti's hindsight is 20/20, which isn't diffcult, seeing as his head is completely up his own ass.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mariotto
Saying that Mariotti was right about something is the equivalent of saying that Michael Vick is a great lover of our furry friends.  

I always know I am on the right path when it is a divergent one from Jay the Joke.

"Something has to give and since there aren't 8 or 9 pitchers sitting around on the trade market, I think it has to be El Suckerpuncho." - TMOX, 6/14/07

by TMOX on Jul 31, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean Mariotti wrote a critical column?
Surprise.  If the Cubs had traded Pie and Marshall for Griffey, Mariotti would have written that Hendry was mortgaging the future since he is a lame duck GM.

He consistently writes critical columns without much real analysis.  What did he propose?    

by rlpete on Jul 31, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like Mariotti
always clammers for something he knows isn't going to happen and then complains when doesn't happen.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Strange Pirates move
If they took on Morris' salary of $9 M or something...don't they need hitting more than ML pitching? And I thought they were building with a young staff...

Surely thought SF would sell off something talk about a team goin nowhere...

At least Milw didn't do anything drastic and neither did StL our main foes

by writerinwrigley on Jul 31, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that is weird for the Bucs...
They must be confident that Jack Wilson's salary is going to be gone soon. 9mil a year makes Morris now head and shoulders above anyone else on their roster.

They did have a glut of centerfielders with McLouth, Duffy, and Davis....all young, all cheap. And Van Benschoten, one of their young propects they brought up, has been horrid (0-5 9.76). I think Zach Duke has been injured and has almost as bad.

But they're going nowhere, so it is a strange deal.

by carmenfanzone on Jul 31, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you actually want anyone who was traded?
at the price they went for. Gagne who might have been interesting cost way more than we had. Other than in our deluded minds, Griffey was never in play. Dye would certainly have cost too much. Kenny ain't trading for us at even the high market rate he wanted from others. So you wanted who exactly
Matt Morris, Marte, Morgan Ensberg, Bentemint?.
Also I don't get that the most of the other contenders improved
Braves yes but they still have major staring pitcher issues. Red
Sox definately and amazing that they had so much to give. Brewers nothing unless you seriously count Linebrink. Mets well Castillo was good but only needed due to injury. Phils fixed another injury hole and got a bad starter. Dodgers nothing unless you really think Proctor helps Padres picking up a lot of spare parts for not much. D'backs nothing, Rockies nothing. Cardinals nothing.
Sorry if this all gone over but I don't have that much time during the day and I miss posts
There was nothing signicant out there for the Cubs to get so we will have to live with what we have.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jul 31, 2007 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

This is defintely the case...
where the pundits overhyped this deadline for ratings.

Nothing was out there.  It wasn't like there was a Randy Johnson to the Astros sort of year.

It was more of a Heathcliff Slocumb for Jason Veritek and Derek Lowe kind of year.

Five years from now, track where Salty, Elvis Andrus and Kason Gabbard will be compared to what Tex and Gagne did this year for their new clubs.

Rich Hill will win a Cy Young before Prior and Wood...

by HoHoKam on Jul 31, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

except
that ESPN's staple of writers was basically saying that this was going to be a boring trade deadline. Don't think that was overhype.

by elgato on Jul 31, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cards nothing
Why they picked up Joel Pinerio!  Oh wait, no, you were right the first time.

by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut
In regards to Dye, I really thought that it was a question of something versus nothing, meaning that Williams was either going to trade him for the highest offer given or lose him to free agency.  At this point, it seems that he chose to lose him to free agency.  Perhaps he feels that he has a decent shot at signing him again, but if not, I don't know what's to gain from his end by not accepting the best offer.

Assuming that Dye is taking the free agency path (That seems a big assumption at this point, I know) there would have been nothing but upside from Williams'  perspective.  Had they not won in 2005, it would be different, but they did.  So what if the Cubs win it?  The Sox already got there.  Get the best deal you can and move on.  

by NO100 on Jul 31, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Draft picks.
Compensatory draft picks rule baseball this year.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Morris as PTNL ??
Matt Morris is owed a bunch of money over the next two years ($19.5 mil) and would be the Pirates highest paid player next year.

Not surprisingly, this deal doesn't make much sense for the Bucs.  So, is it possible that Morris will be the PTNL in the Izturis trade?  

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain

by circuitclout on Jul 31, 2007 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

No
because the PTBNL has to be at a different level.  The PTBNL is a minor leaguer.  

by rlpete on Jul 31, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That said
I really don't understand this.  I assume SF is picking up a lot of the salary so why did they do it.  It's not because they wanted Rajai Davis.  I can't see the PTBNL from Pittsburgh being much of a prospect either.  

This one is puzzling.  

by rlpete on Jul 31, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks
i knew there were restrictions on the PTNL but i wasn't sure what they were.  ESPN has a transaction primer which is useful if anyone else is wondering:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html

trying to make sense of the pirate's personnel decisions promises to be a fruitless exercise.  this one just makes my head hurt.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -- Mark Twain

by circuitclout on Jul 31, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

SF...
....didn't pick up ANY of the salary and that's probably why he ended up in Pittsburgh instead of somewhere else (like a contender). I'm sure Morris is estatic over the trade. From a last place team to a last place team who's even worse.

Littlefield's getting all kinds of heat in Pirates forums. They had a glut of CF's, so that makes sense, but for all his comments about payroll and making many personnel decisions based on that, why do you go out and get a $9mill washed up pitcher? It's not like they're in a pennant chase or anything.

by carmenfanzone on Aug 1, 2007 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Next best trade headline
"Giants deal aging pitcher Morris to slumping Bucs"

Kind of says it all re trade market. Still like the image of
a dangling Wickman. Look out below

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Jul 31, 2007 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

REDS!
brought up Mark Bellhorn. I am scared, That man is the closest thing to god. Wait.... Chuck Norris is god. OOHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Norris?
and here I thought it was Bruce Campbell.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Jul 31, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look!
This team, AS IS, is winning and looking damn good doing it.  There was absolutely ZILCH to trade for without having to give up one of our top prospects.  The chemistry on this team is better than any Cub team in the last decade and that, along with great pitching, is why the Cubs are still sniffing first place.

This is the EXACT same team that we started the year with minus a couple guys and plus a couple minor leaguers, yet this team is VASTLY better.  Why?  It's because they are a team.  They have grown together and they are winning.  There is no since making a trade just to make a bunch of bored fans feel better and risk getting a Fred McGriff that has the possibility of destroying the chemistry and fire on this team.

This is your Cubs.  Love them, root for them and quit whining just to hear yourself whine.

by martyblue on Jul 31, 2007 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Loud, sustained applause!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 1, 2007 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 1, 2007 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

In October,...
when we're eliminated at the end of the regular season or one of the playoff series, and we're one player short from going to the World Series, we'll all read the postings questioning why the Cubs didn't get any help on July 31.

Sure, the team is winning but if you think this is a well-rounded team you're delusional. For example, help was needed in the #5 spot in the lineup and nothing was done.

Sure, any trade would've cost us some prospects, but that's the price to pay if you think you can win now. By not trading, management is telling us that their motto is "we've improved; so, at worst, wait 'till next year". Other teams take another approach. Think, did the Red Sox get Gagné for nothing?

I hope I'm wrong, but with the Braves bullpen very much improved as well as the Padres having a deeper bench, we may beat the weakened Sheeet-less and panicky Brewers, and the aging Mets, but that's about it!

Now, as consolation I offer the story of a team that fared much worse at the trade deadline: The Yankees, a team that needed to improve their bullpen, traded a reliever (Proctor) for an infielder that they didn't need (Betemit) and didn't add one arm to their depleted relief corps. Meanwhile, someone at ESPN dared to say that Betemit would be a possible replacement for A-Rod next year if and when A-Rod leaves. I just hope the guy was joking. So, think how lucky we are that on July 31, Jim Hendry wasn't Brian Cashman.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 1, 2007 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

You miss the point.
For many Cubs fans,

ANYONE is too expensive and NO trade is worth making.  Try posting a name, and you'll get a CHORUS of shouting down about what's wrong with the person.  Honestly, shy of getting Albert Pujols for one lone, .200 batting, single-A prospect, you will hear howls of how one trade - one single trade for the strecth run - has single-handedly, ENTIRELY depleted the whole of the farm system and mortgaged decades of the Cubs' future.

Seriously, the idea of GIVING something to GET something is dead with many people, Jim Hendry included.  It's either something for nothing, or don't bother.  The only fair trade is one where the Cubs get a superstar in exchange for a bag of bats.

Looking at the acquisitions of many teams in the running, this reminds me a lot more of the Astros getting Randy Johnson or Carlos Beltran while the Cubs got middle relief.  The ridiculous overconfidence, even outright arrogance with which many Cubs fans - even at BCB - are now carrying themselves because the Cubs are no longer several games out is going to come back to bite them.  It's going to hurt - as you said -- A LOT -- if this team falls just short of either the playoffs or winning a playoff series and we all look back to the trade deadline when Hendry decided he already had the absolute perfect team assembled to win the World Series, and that there was nobody in all of Major League Baseball worth the price to acquire for the stretch run.

If Hendry is indeed going to pass on any major moves - yet another broken Hendry promise (remember how he SWORE that if the Cubs were ever in the running at the trade deadline, he'd make a big splash because the goal was winning the World Series?) - then it's going to come back and haunt this city again.

I think the problem is that folks here want to break the streak, but not if it involves risk.  I mean, if the Cubs happen to ever stumble into a championship by doing nothing costly, then great!  But if improving the team for the strecth run might risk losing some minor leaguer we've all been told is good.....well, let's not all get crazy over the chance to win a World Series title.  I mean, there are no 100% guarantees that anyone added would automatically mean Championship, and without a 100% guarantee, well, let's not get crazy.  We've waited this long, we can wait a few more years for the youth to take us to the next level at some point.

Me, I'm hoping for Griffey on a Waiver trade.  But I will be damn mad if Hendry's approach to the stretch run was to take a nap and light a candle in church.  Sure looks like it so far.

Mark my words, several teams got better, but Hendry just assumes the Cubs will be red hot without fail for the rest of the year.  You know, that same Cubs team that was under .500 for the majority of the season.

Doing nothing was a bad move, and will cost the Cubs in the long run. Just more proof that Hendry is NOT serious about winning a World Series - folks like him and some of the aforementioned Cub fans want guarantees before they ever make a trade.  No risk, no reward, as far as I'm concerned.  Getting some help for the stretch run would have been huge, and a locker room and fan boondoggle for momentum.

Alas, unless Hendry still has a trade up his sleeve, it looks like fear will again win the day.  

But hey, who needs the new tires?  The car hasn't broken down, and there's no guarantee that the new tires will never, ever blowout.  So why give away money for new tires?  Just keep driving.........

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Aug 1, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Standing ovation!
But at least we got Kendall before the deadline.
Maybe management's song is "Money for nothing".

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 3, 2007 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

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