Revenge Of The Transferred
So it wasn't enough that Aaron Rowand and Tadahito Iguchi used to torture the Cubs while they played with that South Side team -- now, both having been traded to the Phillies, and Iguchi having been there a grand total of three days, and knowing that their old team didn't do very well against the Cubs this year -- they both took it to Ted Lilly last night, hitting home runs (Rowand's a three-run job), and basically, that was that, as the Phillies, for a day at least, kept the Cubs from moving into first place in the NL Central with a 4-1 win.
Just a few notes from last night, and then I'm going to talk about other stuff, because really, despite being played in front of another huge crowd (41,686, and that gives the Cubs a shot at breaking the four-game series record that was set week-before-last) and on a gorgeous night, the game was pretty dull:
- The Cubs can't hit lefthanders. They're now 9-16 vs. LHP. This makes little logical sense, as, supposedly, the Cubs' offense is built around right-handed power hitters (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano). But it's a fact.
- Cole Hamels is really, really good. He kept the entire offense off-balance last night. Sometimes you just get beat by a better pitcher.
- Ronny Cedeno needs to learn how to take a pitch when he only gets one at-bat per game.
- A fan fell out of the seats -- ominously, just about in the "Bartman" location -- during the 8th inning. A security guard quickly helped him up and was getting ready to escort him off the field, when another security guard ran at the two of them, looking like he wanted to tackle both of them. The guy fell out of the seats accidentally, and credit to the Cubs for realizing this, because apparently they're not going to prosecute.
- The above-linked article also says that Jim Hendry has no intention of trading Felix Pie to anyone, and that Hendry really liked what he saw in Kerry Wood's last outing for Peoria last Friday. Wood, who was laughing with teammates during BP in the outfield last night and who looks almost too skinny, will throw tonight for Double-A Tennessee -- ironically, against the Cubs' former AA affiliate at West Tenn -- and if there aren't any problems, he'll be activated either Thursday or Friday.
- Which leads me to this note: Steve Phillips, on Baseball Tonight last night, proved once again why he's no longer a general manager. The BBTN crew was discussing Wood and how he might help the Cubs, and the general consensus seemed to be that IF healthy, Wood could be a real boost to what John Kruk termed a "deep" bullpen (and it is; last night they at least kept the Cubs in the game after Lilly had to be lifted after five innings and 97 pitches). But Phillips had to disagree, saying that the Cubs would have to make a roster move for Wood (Duh!) and if Wood wasn't healthy, they'd "lose a player". Wrong, Steve-o. When Wood's activated, Rocky Cherry will be optioned back to Iowa, where he can return at any time. If this is the way Phillips operated when he was Mets GM, no wonder they fired him.
What I wanted to talk about, and I see I've gone on longer than I really wanted to in the game notes, was BCB reader Dave -- sorry, I forgot your username! -- who sat with us last night and when I was just about to pass the pre-game time reading a magazine, pulled out his iPhone and let me fool around with it for a while. If you have not yet seen one of these and think it's overhyped -- and I did -- let me tell you, they are extremely cool. It's impossible to even describe all the cool features, but suffice to say that it can pull up nearly full-featured web pages, including BCB (I noticed that there were already 100 comments in the game thread in the 90 minutes between the time I left my house and the time I saw the thread on the iPhone); it runs video clips from YouTube and other sources; does email and text messaging (you can see full conversations, very cool), and -- oh, yes, it's a phone, too.
Here's where I think Apple has made its mistake: first, it's way too expensive. Dave bought the top model -- the $600 model. That's way too much for a first-generation piece of technology; clearly, version 2.0 is going to be far improved over the first model. And second, I already have an iPod, so the idea of buying the iPhone to replace a (fairly) expensive gadget I already have is another reason I haven't really thought about this. And finally, going with only one service provider cuts the rest of us, who don't want to switch, out. If they'd make a model that does everything except have the iPod, cut the price thereof to about $200, and sign up with other providers, I'd be first in line... because it is extremely cool.
And that was the most interesting thing about last night. Perhaps tonight will be better.
Finally, having thought about what the Cubs do or don't need to do to tweak the roster, and what they do or don't have to offer other teams, I'm firmly in the "do nothing today" camp. For discussion of any deals that might be made, or like the Braves' and Mets' deals that were made yesterday, use this diary that I posted earlier today for this purpose. I'll end by reminding everyone that the Cubs picked up a couple of useful parts in 2003 -- Randall Simon and Doug Glanville -- after August 1. Granted, those two guys weren't big deals, but both of them contributed down the stretch and in the postseason. Just because the calendar changes tomorrow doesn't mean the Cubs couldn't make a deal before August 31.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
iPhone Handy at The Game
I mainly used the PickleView.com website, it's designed for the iPhone and proved to be a bit of fun to keep track of the game and chat with others using the service.
by McCarron on Jul 31, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Phillips...
Of course, as someone pointed out in a previous dialogue, it's possible that the Cubs could potentially circumvent this problem by moving Angel Guzman to the 60-day DL.
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Henry Blanco...
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true...
You are right - there are certainly ways in this case to avoid losing a player. It isn't as simple as sending Cherry down, though. If Guzman and Blanco weren't candidates for the 60-day DL, we'd have to lose someone from the roster.
Phillips should probably have done the research to figure out that Guzman/Blanco could be moved. But I think that's more a matter of lazy journalism than bad GM skills. He knew the baseball rules, he just didn't do the fact-checking.
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, if Jim Hendry...
by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Fox on the 40-man roster before?
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis was traded...
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Al...
But Phillips had to disagree, saying that the Cubs would have to make a roster move for Wood (Duh!) and if Wood wasn't healthy, they'd "lose a player". Wrong, Steve-o. When Wood's activated, Rocky Cherry will be optioned back to Iowa, where he can return at any time.
Phillips is exactly right. Wood is on the 60 day DL, meaning that in order to get activated the Cubs would have to make a roster move in order to free up a spot on the 40 man roster. There are ways to do this, but it is not as easy as sending Rocky Cherry back down.
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phillips didn't explain that.
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its pretty simply..
When Wood's activated, Rocky Cherry will be optioned back to Iowa, where he can return at any time.
And that simply is not true. Sure... Rocky Cherry can be moved down to AAA at any time. But that does not open up a spot for Kerry Wood. A roster move is necessary, and a player needs to be moved off of the 40 man roster. I highly doubt that will be Blanco. But it could be someone like Guzman.
But regardless... Wood can not be moved to the bigs with a simple move of sending Cherry down. And that is what you clearly implied in your attempt to attack Phillips.
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips
by gary varsho on Jul 31, 2007 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phillips is worse
I say stand pat on the trade deadline too. Everyone is pushing and you end up over paying. If there is a need in 3 weeks, address it then. The playoff picture will be a little more clear at that time.
by mrcubsfan on Jul 31, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
by hawkeyenation on Jul 31, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Brendley
by roach on Jul 31, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brenly
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY! NO One
NO ONE!
by TheEman on Jul 31, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take the blame for last night...
Kasey
by kaseyi on Jul 31, 2007 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
iPhone owner here...
Second, there have been and are ongoing rumors of a v2 coming out, you can search digg.com or endadget.com for some of those. The great thing about the phone is that software updates via iTunes can and will fix bugs and give us new features.
Finally, I have had "text messaging wars" with my friends, confident their tactile keyboards are far superior to that of my virtual iPhone's board. I both beat and tied a friend with a new BlackBerry 8830 and kicked the butt of a friend with a HTC T-Mobile Dash. And beat a friend with a T9 Sanyo something. I LOVE the keyboard.
No, the iPhone does not do everything; phones are available that do more things. However, no phone does exactly what the iPhone does AS WELL OR BETTER than the iPhone.
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.....
by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is somewhat an ignorant statement...
And, on this rationale, this is likened to saying "Nice house you bought, but you forgot to include taxes, gas, water, electric, etc., in the cost of the house." Every cell phone comes with monthly charges.
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to boot...
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've heard their margin...
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with 450 minutes and 3G
by roach on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3G is a paradox...
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3G Battery Drain
My iPhone lasts two days sometimes with normal use, with heavy use it lasts a day with plenty of talk time, etc. I actually spent two days this week talking on it for 3 hours (work conference calls) and it still wasn't out of battery.
Apple made the right choice with avoiding the 3G.
by McCarron on Jul 31, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iPhone links...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19682602/
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=9026900
Here is MADDOX's take on the iPhone; if you are unfamiliar with The Best Page in the Universe, please, this probably is NSFW, but highly amusing if you hate Apple/iPhones/iPods.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
And finally, Will It Blend? Enough said.
http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
by cubbieblue86 on Jul 31, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switching Gears Here for a moment....
by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, saw that
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Milwaukee...
Dan
by dtpollitt on Jul 31, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing...
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB Trade Rumors?
And why would Gagne go to a place where he wouldn't close?
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Gagne have a choice?
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he has a choice...
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
News reports say that Gagne...
by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so...
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston has Gagne.
by LAcarl519 on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamels was just sick last night
The reason this loss is easily forgettable for the Cubs is because Lilly only made one real mistake, their were no real defensive miscues or other stupid mistakes. If they can come out and hammer Eaton, they'll be right back on track.
If they can take 4 out 7 seven from the Phils and Mets, that's enough for me.
by SouthsideCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except that...
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
This is a pretty big week. We've made up a lot of ground, but there's still lots of work to do. Gaining no ground (or losing ground) for a full week this late in the season is never a good thing, and going 4-3 won't gain us ground in either race (will almost certainly lose us ground in the WC race).
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 of 7 would be fine
by jds2 on Jul 31, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I won't be disappointed if we are 2 games back of the Crew by the end of this weekend, and I think 4 of 7 probably does that for us. We are playing two very good teams this week, and winning 4 of 7 is the more realistic expectation.
by SuperContext on Jul 31, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs win...
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
Also, I think we have to have reasonable expectations against the good teams. It's one thing to expect 4 of 6 from the Cards and Reds (and I did), but it's wholly another to expect 5 out of 7 against the Mets and Phils.
by SouthsideCub on Jul 31, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're truly a playoff contender...
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right that should...
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I like the pitching matchups we've got going this week (and the pitching matchups the Brewers have going, ex: Glavine looking for 300 tonight versus Suppan) but a split with the Phillies, a split with the Mets and then one game in that series where the game is decided by one bad bounce or one bad pitch would make me delighted.
If what you say about playoff teams is true, then we don't have to worry about the Brewers making the playoffs after going 2-6 against the Reds and the Cardinals now do we?
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be very happy with a split.
tonight's game is big--well every game is big, obviously--but i'm pretty sure the cardinals are going to win tonight. and the brewers are back home.
i think we need to win tonight just to keep pace.
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be Nellie Negative but...
Phillies jsut seem to pound us with homeruns and late-inning comebacks and the Mets (David Wright, Reyes, and LoDuca + bullpen) always seem to kill us.
Let's hope we reverse the trend here and get some wins this week.
by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 31, 2007 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Zambrano Hamels
Lilly Lohse
Hill Moyer
Marshall Eaton
Marquis Kendrick
Cubs have a clear win there. Z and Hamels are equal, but I mean is Lohse even as good as Marquis? How much would Cub fans complain if the second best starter on our team was debated between those four last guys on the Phillies? Myers is a beast at the back of the pen, but the Phillies don't have that bad ass who can come in the game in the 6th or 7th inning like Marmol and when it comes down to it, Dempster has just a good of record of saves as Myers does. They aren't as 'pretty' but a save is a save. Howry, Erye, Wuertz, Ohman, Marmol and the Triple A bullpen pitcher of the day are much better than Alfonseca, Mesa, Gordon, and nobodies. This is why we needed to get to the Phillies bullpen last night. Hamels to Myers was an almost definite loss.
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of comments
by jolietconvict on Jul 31, 2007 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My big problem...
by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I don't understand why that is the case. For one thing, they don't have intelligent analysts. For another, they just regurgitate crap over and over, and occasionally switch sides of the debate. And finally, I think people actually like to see highlights. We can go to the internet for the box scores, but it's nice and convenient to see visual recaps of what happened.
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Media
by californiachicagoan on Jul 31, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone
by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but...
by cwyers on Jul 31, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before and I'll say it again
by cubsirishkillme on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just like the iPhone
by hipster17 on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If...
by jolietconvict on Jul 31, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apple guys
All I want my phone for is, get this, making calls. Ok, maybe an occasional Cubs score look-up if all other options are unavailable. A simple Web interface does me just fine for that, all on a sub-$100 phone that's carrier agnostic.
iPhones look really cool, don't get me wrong. Just not a good value prop for the money in my mind.
by hipster17 on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't say...
by jolietconvict on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at it this way
That's all I'm interested in.
As a competitor to Apple I could only look on in envy.
by blackhawk24 on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting Left Handers?
by MolineCubsFan on Jul 31, 2007 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The shuffling...
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
Didn't you know that you can learn everything you need to know from 8 at-bats?
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is 573?
Also, doing this just for leftys doesn't help much, as he has had a near even lefty/righty split.
Whether or not it "should" be, Soriano just does perform better in the 1 spot.
by californiachicagoan on Jul 31, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has been a bust
I think we have yet to have a productive game against a lefty in one of these games. I think the Cubs are 0-fer in these experiments. I hope the "righty only" experiment has been put to bed. It stinks.
by LAcarl519 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight will
Oh and as far as Soriano batting 5th against lefties; Didn't we win both games???
by Lou In Blue on Jul 31, 2007 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
probably, but we were winning
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man - I hope its GOOD Marquis
by TheEman on Jul 31, 2007 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AL - Does Daryl Ward
Has anyone seen a progress report on Ward?
It would be great to get him back.
by TheEman on Jul 31, 2007 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think ward is more solid than simon,
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all counts.
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
by markgraceismyhero on Jul 31, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not only about his ability
by cubsnlinux on Jul 31, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, i think
maybe someone should get him playing chess?
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look in the game thread from last night
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have
by JF8 on Jul 31, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
2nd and 3rd for Soriano? Up the pressure for Hamels, sounds great to me.
by IllinoisCubs on Jul 31, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie
by zevkalman on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of us did last night.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 31, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoyed Randall simon hitting
by AJ on Jul 31, 2007 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erin Andrews
by viewfromthebleachers on Jul 31, 2007 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
real eye candy
by zevkalman on Jul 31, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt. gorgeous. sat behind her at a game
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She is....
by AJ on Jul 31, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Al
Or did you last time and we still won? I can't remember these things...
by sanantonecub on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They did win the last time.
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simon was...
Glad to see that the sense of panic I feared would overtake this board today isn't here. It's only one game. And the Brewers are still choking dogs.
Hopefully, the Cardinals will gag on their own sanctimonious feathers.
I was hoping for a 2-2 split with the Phils. We can still do that.
by lancaster99 on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamels was sharp... he'd make a great Cub :)
Lilly seemed like he was struggling to find the (occasionally flexible) strike zone the whole night - surprised really that the Phillies only put four on the board.
I was scared for that kid ------- in right field when he hit the bullpen but - looked initially like he tore an Achilles... yikes.
Eaton and Marquis will be an interesting match up - Eaton's ERA inching higher over the years and Marquis making his bid this year to show he's not an Eaton.
This should make for a good series and tell us a good bit about what our teams made of. We'll see if our rotation can match up against some great hitters and see if our boys can take advantage of one of the weaker rotations out there.
Go Cubs.
by stelmodad on Jul 31, 2007 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yea it was wierd.
by Kchance on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what steve phillips said
by Alfonso on Jul 31, 2007 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Murton ....
by Basman on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Murton stunk
I'd like to see Lou put him into the lineup for a week or so to see if he's going to help us this year. But, for some reason, Piniella seems not to like his play so it's really on Lou's plate to see if he stays or goes.
by tharr on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody looked terrible...
It was Murton's first start in the bigs since the beginning of June, and it happened to be against a VERY good pitcher - one of the best young pitchers in the game.
Everybody on the Cubs looked terrible yesterday. Derrek Lee looked pretty bad yesterday too - maybe the Cubs should trade him!
by big_lowitzki on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton, like six other guys,
Why don't we see what he can do with a few days in a row batting. He has always been a batter who was patient with a good eye who could drive the ball.
by LAcarl519 on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Drive the ball? I can't remember the last time Murton drove the ball. He's got 1 home run and 8 RBI's right now and his 1 home run was hit in the easiest park to hit home runs in the major leagues. Take off the rose colored glasses.
by cubsbak on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shh
by GoCubbies34 on Jul 31, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So while the two of you gang up on me...
- I am not a Murton lover. I could care less if the Cubs keep him or move him.
- My point was that he has his back to the play yet he hurled and made a strong throw back in. Did he miss the front cut off man? Yes. But it is a play with a trailing cut off man given that the outfielder has his back to the play and has to throw quickly. The play is designed with the knowledge that the throw is likely to be off. Murton's goal was to get it to the infield quickly. Accuracy was the secondary goal. Mission accomplished.
- For those of you who love to bash Murton's bat last night, I agree with the others that he worked counts better than most other batters on the team even if did make feeble outs. If all the other batters would have had 5-6 pitch at bats, Hamels would not have made it through the 8th.
by LAcarl519 on Jul 31, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee is hitting
by cubsbak on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is...
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
by cubsbak on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can base it on whatever you want...
If you want to base it on the ~120 AB this year, that's fine. You could be right or wrong, but at least that's somewhat of a relevant sample. But I think we can all agree that basing it on 4 AB in one game against a very good pitcher is silly.
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's silly
by cubsbak on Jul 31, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek...
by SouthernCub on Jul 31, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
And yes, I believe there are certain insane fans on this board who are more than happy to put Murton into the same category as Derrek Lee.
by cubsbak on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"translation"
Everybody on the Cubs looked terrible yesterday. Derrek Lee looked pretty bad yesterday too - maybe the Cubs should trade him!
Did you really take that seriously? Do you really think that I meant that Derrek Lee should be traded? You have to be kidding me.
I am a huge Murton fan, but he is nowhere close to the player that Derrek Lee is. And you asinine assertion that there are people on this board who would say they are comparable is foolish. Find me one example of someone who has said that Derrek Lee and Murton have comparable talent. Finding one should be pretty easy for you, considering it is as prevalent as you say.
Once again... I was responding to a ridiculous assertion that Murton should be be traded because he "looked terrible last night." I simply pointed out that most the team looked terrible, including Derrek Lee, against a really good pitcher. In turn it is foolish to come to a conclusion on Murton based on one game against a damn good pitcher.
by big_lowitzki on Aug 1, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
The original poster said something the effect of "Lets get rid of Murton, he looked terrible last night." And that logic is foolish, and I pointed it out by saying that Lee also looked terrible?
Got it?
by big_lowitzki on Aug 1, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Wood isn't 100% ready...
by Al on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you have a tix exchange, but...
by wicubfan on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton at least drew a walk!!
Cedeno get talked to after that AB?? I hope so...just too good a pitch to pass up I guess but killed the inning.
Hoping for a happy outcome to today's tradewinds remember being outside Wrigley when got Nomar--it was a Saturday, I believe--and the place was buzzing. The ovation he got the next day when he took the field or his name was announced was one of the loudest of its kind I've ever heard; total appreciation and anticipation.
by writerinwrigley on Jul 31, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
An interesting point
by lilkimmer77 on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Padres trade for Rob Mackowiak
Also trade for Morgan Ensberg...
by SackMan on Jul 31, 2007 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Theriot
But, how far do you see this kid going as a cub. Personally I see him as a Sandburg at SS. It is being made more clear everynight that he will not lose his job unless we sign some all-star SS or something. Which bing me to the point that I am pretty sure that this kid can be an all-star himself one day. Although we are in an era where home runs and RBIs are king, I can see Theriot being just a nasty hit machine with gold gloves and terrific speed.
I L O V E The Riot!
by BMac on Jul 31, 2007 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is Glavine's night
Cubs offense is up and down lately. Kind of worrisome.
by bloomerang on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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